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Winehole23
11-02-2020, 01:02 AM
El Paso County is already likely to have horrific turnout Tuesday with the way COVID-45 is raging there. Even without fascists in trucks.Even so, El Paso County has already surpassed 2016's vote total.



Oct. 30Day 18, the final day of early voting, saw 16,661 in-person voters, according to unofficial numbers from the El Paso County Elections Department (https://el-paso-county-elections.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/files/000/003/116/original/Nov_2020_EV_Stats_Day_17.pdf?1604078432). (https://el-paso-county-elections.s3.amazonaws.com/documents/files/000/003/116/original/Nov_2020_EV_Stats_last_day.pdf?1604176665)
There were 1,002 mail-in ballots returned Friday.
The Marty Robbins Recreation Center was the most trafficked early voting site, with 1,452 in-person voters.
In total,222,149 people have voted in person and by mail as of Friday.
https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/14/el-paso-election-county-sees-record-early-voting-numbers/3650175001/

https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/texas/

Trainwreck2100
11-02-2020, 01:26 AM
Do share, if the link is handy. From what I've seen 18-29 year olds are breaking approximately 2-1 in favor of Biden.

it was a youtube video with one of the major networks 19-34 year olds were going to biden but 35-45 year olds were breaking to Trump

Reck
11-02-2020, 01:33 AM
millenials and gen z are fractured though I saw a poll today that some of the early millenials were favoring trump

You probably saw turnout in a rural area. No one is spared in those. Everyone’s a trumpie regardless of age.

Winehole23
11-02-2020, 09:24 AM
Using the 14th Amendment to cancel the legal votes of eligible voters, absent any showing of harm to anyone, is perfect perversity. It's also striking, seven years after Shelby and the end of federal preclearance, that the federal courts have become the main venue for deciding disputes over state and local election laws.



Republicans now think Texas courts don’t decide their own election law



like other recent election lawsuits, the plaintiffs (and some courts) completely fail to acknowledge the other side of the equation — the 100,000-plus Harris County voters who stand to have their votes invalidated — having voted under rules announced in advance, approved by local officials, and left intact during weeks of early voting, potentially too late for them to do anything about it. Just like Minnesota voters whose otherwise valid mail-in ballots may be tossed because a federal appeals court suggested that the state may have erroneously extended the receipt deadline for such ballots, the mindset appears to be that no cost is too high, and no amount of disenfranchised voters too large, in cases where, at most, local election officials erred on the side of counting more legal votes from eligible voters. What some courts forget is that these citizens who voted in good faith, before these suits were filed, also have 14th Amendment rights.



And that’s perhaps the most stunning feature of this latest suit. When courts consider whether to enjoin government action, they are supposed to consider more than just the merits of the case. Among the traditional factors in such cases are whether the plaintiffs have suffered an irreparable injury; whether that injury has no other remedy; whether the balance of hardships weighs more strongly in favor of the plaintiffs or the defendant; and whether the public interest would be served or disserved by injunctive relief. In a case like this one, the last two factors rather conclusively drown out the first two. As between the “injury” that some Texas voters outside of Harris County didn’t have the same availability of drive-through voting as voters in Harris County (never mind that none of the plaintiffs allege that it was actually harder for them to vote as a result), and the specter of denying the franchise to more than 100,000 Houstonians, it’s just not a close call.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/11/02/harris-county-drive-through-federal-court/

Splits
11-02-2020, 12:30 PM
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Reck
11-02-2020, 12:32 PM
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:lol This fucking judge.

Even when he's "skeptical" and has doubt that this was done in malice, he has to give republicans one last chance to fuck us. :lmao

ChumpDumper
11-02-2020, 12:38 PM
1323311106539085824Plaintiff produces iPad with Gab post from @QAnon212.

Judgment for plaintiff.

Entire Harris County vote excluded.

Will Hunting
11-02-2020, 01:39 PM
:lol This fucking judge.

Even when he's "skeptical" and has doubt that this was done in malice, he has to give republicans one last chance to fuck us. :lmao
I wouldn’t read into it yet. Judges say that kind of stuff all the time and it doesn’t mean they’re actually considering it.

I don’t even think the plaintiffs goal was to get this judge to rule in their favor, more likely they want to get it in front of the 5th circuit where they’re likely to be in front of multiple Trump appointees.

RandomGuy
11-02-2020, 02:16 PM
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I"m sure the fascist party will produce an email from Hunter Biden's laptop about it any second.

vy65
11-02-2020, 02:44 PM
Ruling incoming.

vy65
11-02-2020, 02:49 PM
From what I've heard, the TI is getting denied and Hanen will issue some sort of "guidance" with respect to drive in votes done tomorrow. Sounds like he was pretty incredulous of plaintiffs' arguments.

Will Hunting
11-02-2020, 02:49 PM
No matter what the ruling is, we’re getting an immediate 5th circuit appeal. Hopefully that panel has at least one non-Trump appointee.

Will Hunting
11-02-2020, 02:50 PM
From what I've heard, the TI is getting denied and Hanen will issue some sort of "guidance" with respect to drive in votes done tomorrow. Sounds like he was pretty incredulous of plaintiffs' arguments.
He made a point of saying it’s bullshit that they filed this lawsuit at the last minute despite knowing about it for months.

vy65
11-02-2020, 02:53 PM
No matter what the ruling is, we’re getting an immediate 5th circuit appeal. Hopefully that panel has at least one non-Trump appointee.

Hanen is pretty far right, so there's that. I just don't know how they get all this in the can and get a ruling before 8pm CST tomorrow, but who knows.

Will Hunting
11-02-2020, 03:01 PM
Hanen is pretty far right, so there's that. I just don't know how they get all this in the can and get a ruling before 8pm CST tomorrow, but who knows.
I think the worst judges we have right now are the younger ones who’ve been Fedsoc shills since their first day in law school. Hanen might be partisan but he’s old enough to have formed his own thoughts as a practicing attorney before Fedsoc started brainwashing law school students and young lawyers.

vy65
11-02-2020, 03:26 PM
He boomed the case ... they have no standing to file suit.

Will Hunting
11-02-2020, 03:31 PM
He boomed the case ... they have no standing to file suit.
Link?

djohn2oo8
11-02-2020, 03:32 PM
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Will Hunting
11-02-2020, 03:33 PM
Well he had 10 different ways he could have ruled against them, saying they lack standing was probably the biggest fuck you that creates the most difficulty for any appeal. Props to the judge.

vy65
11-02-2020, 03:33 PM
Link?

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vy65
11-02-2020, 03:35 PM
Hanen also said that even if P's had standing, he'd deny the TI because they sat on their claim

Spurs Homer
11-02-2020, 03:37 PM
Judge rules to KEEP the 127,000 drive thru votes


eat shit republi-cunts

gambit1990
11-02-2020, 03:37 PM
:tu:tu

ElNono
11-02-2020, 03:39 PM
Well he had 10 different ways he could have ruled against them, saying they lack standing was probably the biggest fuck you that creates the most difficulty for any appeal. Props to the judge.

With the TX SCOTUS ruling yesterday, he was going to get exposed mightily if he ruled differently. Plus the latest SCOTUS decisions didn't indicate there was going to be a good ending to this challenge.

vy65
11-02-2020, 03:41 PM
The standing issue is a doozy. Conservative federal judges are philosophically opposed to granting plaintiffs greater access to federal forums.

djohn2oo8
11-02-2020, 05:55 PM
Already appealed to the 5th circuit

Reck
11-02-2020, 06:10 PM
Republicans have nothing better to do than fuck shit up even at the 11th hour.

Splits
11-03-2020, 07:22 AM
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Will Hunting
11-03-2020, 07:24 AM
They can try appealing to SCOTUS but if the fuckwad 5th circuit denied their appeal not a chance SCOTUS grants it.

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 07:28 AM
They can try appealing to SCOTUS but if the fuckwad 5th circuit denied their appeal not a chance SCOTUS grants it.
From what I’ve read, their appeal is focused more on drive thru voting for today and not so much on the votes already counted. To counter that, Chris Hollins the county clerk, moved all drive thru voting to Toyota center because it is defined as a “structure”

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 08:05 AM
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pgardn
11-03-2020, 08:19 AM
From what I’ve read, their appeal is focused more on drive thru voting for today and not so much on the votes already counted. To counter that, Chris Hollins the county clerk, moved all drive thru voting to Toyota center because it is defined as a “structure”

all this because we have a president that has now been involved in over 4000 personal lawsuits. I wonder if election law courses become all the rage in law schools.

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 09:22 AM
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djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 10:24 AM
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mother of God

Splits
11-03-2020, 10:35 AM
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mother of God

What's the target here, 300k by end of day?

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 10:39 AM
What's the target here, 300k by end of day?
Yep.

Splits
11-03-2020, 10:47 AM
Yep.

but 20k/hour for 12 hours doesn't get there...

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 10:48 AM
but 20k/hour for 12 hours doesn't get there...
Lunch time evening rush hours the pace will pick up

Splits
11-03-2020, 10:52 AM
Lunch time evening rush hours the pace will pick up

Let's hope. Not helpful their website is down

DMX7
11-03-2020, 10:57 AM
Lunch time evening rush hours the pace will pick up

If lines do form in hot spots, then you only have to be in line to vote by 7:00PM so some people will technically vote after 7:00PM in all likelihood though it may not be many.

RandomGuy
11-03-2020, 11:34 AM
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:pimpslap :pimpslap :pimpslap

DarrinS
11-03-2020, 11:44 AM
Fully expect that Biden will win Bexar, Dallas, Harris, Travis, El Paso

as Hillary did

ChumpDumper
11-03-2020, 11:47 AM
Never seen Darrin this terrified since a black was Black President.

DMX7
11-03-2020, 11:51 AM
Fully expect that Biden will win Bexar, Dallas, Harris, Travis, El Paso

as Hillary did

yeah, but by how much

Splits
11-03-2020, 11:51 AM
Fully expect that Biden will win Bexar, Dallas, Harris, Travis, El Paso

as Hillary did

Add Tarrant, which Trump won by 8.5.

Hays, which Trump narrowly won

Collin will be close, Trump won by 17

Denton will be ~+5 Trump, he won by 20 previously

Texas will be blue by this time tomorrow.

Spurminator
11-03-2020, 11:55 AM
Kind of in love with whoever's running that Harris County Clerk account on Twitter.

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 12:07 PM
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gotta get over 100k by lunch

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 12:09 PM
Then to have a chance at three the pace has to be at least 40-50 k for at least a few hours

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 12:19 PM
Didn’t think about this viewpoint

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RandomGuy
11-03-2020, 12:29 PM
Add Tarrant, which Trump won by 8.5.

Hays, which Trump narrowly won

Collin will be close, Trump won by 17

Denton will be ~+5 Trump, he won by 20 previously

Texas will be blue by this time tomorrow.

I will dance a happy dance at that.

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 01:41 PM
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hopefully they can average 30k an hour for the next 7

djohn2oo8
11-03-2020, 01:44 PM
160k more gets them to 1.7 mill

RandomGuy
11-03-2020, 02:07 PM
Fully expect that Biden will win Bexar, Dallas, Harris, Travis, El Paso

as Hillary did

Why is it your shitty party only wins if they make it hard to vote, and actively suppresses votes?

FrostKing
11-03-2020, 02:11 PM
Why is it your shitty party only wins if they make it hard to vote, and actively suppresses votes?
Not even my country and I'm still better at this being an American thing

Reck
11-03-2020, 02:13 PM
Not even my country and I'm still better at this being an American thing

So you agree that it shouldn't be this hard to vote?

DarrinS
11-03-2020, 02:18 PM
So you agree that it shouldn't be this hard to vote?

Its not hard to vote. Took less than 20 minutes

RandomGuy
11-03-2020, 02:23 PM
Its not hard to vote. Took less than 20 minutes

"my circumstances are the same as everybody's"

:rolleyes
fucking.
idiot.

DarrinS
11-03-2020, 02:24 PM
"my circumstances are the same as everybody's"

:rolleyes
fucking.
idiot.

Explain what's hard about it.

FrostKing
11-03-2020, 02:27 PM
Driving to the ballot now

baseline bum
11-03-2020, 02:28 PM
"my circumstances are the same as everybody's"

:rolleyes
fucking.
idiot.

Karrin is rapidly becoming another foldren

DMX7
11-03-2020, 02:32 PM
160k more gets them to 1.7 mill

Don't worry, they'll definitely get past 200K by the end of the night.

ChumpDumper
11-03-2020, 02:33 PM
Looks like virtually no wait times so far in most metro areas (a few delays in Dallas County). Can't use that excuse -- yet, I guess.

DarrinS
11-03-2020, 02:34 PM
Explain what's hard about it.

If you can read and touch a screen, ...

pgardn
11-03-2020, 02:34 PM
Driving to the ballot now

Tell us when you make your first left turn.

Thanks.

RandomGuy
11-03-2020, 03:17 PM
Explain what's hard about it.

The core of modern conservatism is dishonesty. and violence.

Why? will you care? Will you modify your opinion based on evidence?

the fuck out of here, we both know you won't.

DarrinS
11-03-2020, 03:19 PM
The core of modern conservatism is dishonesty. and violence.

Why? will you care? Will you modify your opinion based on evidence?

the fuck out of here, we both know you won't.


So, you can't explain why you think voting is difficult?

baseline bum
11-03-2020, 04:50 PM
So I take it we lost Texas? Not seeing any updates from djohn on Harris County numbers.

ChumpDumper
11-03-2020, 04:54 PM
So I take it we lost Texas? Not seeing any updates from djohn on Harris County numbers.140k votes today last I read.

Spurminator
11-03-2020, 04:55 PM
Seems like low turnout statewide today in TX, not sure who that favors tbh.

Splits
11-03-2020, 04:55 PM
So I take it we lost Texas? Not seeing any updates from djohn on Harris County numbers.

Not looking like they're going to go much past 200k but I don't think that seals anything. Basically gives up 100k at 60/40 D/R margin so 20k votes which can be found elsewhere

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DMX7
11-03-2020, 05:26 PM
Seems like low turnout statewide today in TX, not sure who that favors tbh.

Yeah, hard to say. Maybe it doesn’t really favor anyone. 200k in Harris today would be disappointing but hardly disastrous given the strong early vote.

baseline bum
11-03-2020, 06:14 PM
Seems like low turnout statewide today in TX, not sure who that favors tbh.

Definitely our Dear Leader. Low turnout is how the GOP always wins Texas.

RandomGuy
11-03-2020, 06:31 PM
So, you can't explain why you think voting is difficult?

No. I will not. I am fucking done explaining things to your dumb ass.

If you had any sense of personal responsibility, you would inform yourself. Quit asking me to do your work.

RandomGuy
11-03-2020, 06:32 PM
Not looking like they're going to go much past 200k but I don't think that seals anything. Basically gives up 100k at 60/40 D/R margin so 20k votes which can be found elsewhere

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Still think Texas goes blue?

Splits
11-03-2020, 06:52 PM
Still think Texas goes blue?

Yes but will probably not be called tonight.

Spurminator
11-03-2020, 07:14 PM
Definitely our Dear Leader. Low turnout is how the GOP always wins Texas.

Maybe not necessarily low election day turnout though. Turnout overall is high. Election Day vote typically favors red team. Fingers crossed, but I've never had high expectations anyway.

ChumpDumper
11-03-2020, 08:09 PM
Well....

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baseline bum
11-03-2020, 11:33 PM
Harris County really fucked us. God damn Houston.

ElNono
11-04-2020, 01:32 AM
Trump won Texas by over 650k votes. There's really nothing more you could've asked of Harris county and not the reason Texas was lost.

phxspurfan
11-04-2020, 03:15 AM
Trump won Texas by over 650k votes. There's really nothing more you could've asked of Harris county and not the reason Texas was lost.

TX is still verly clearly Republican. I love me some SA but yall are the minority in terms of prevailing sentiment and politics in the souf

and dont give me Austin bullshit if anything this election proves its that Gen Z dont vote at all

SnakeBoy
11-04-2020, 03:48 AM
Trump won Texas by over 650k votes. There's really nothing more you could've asked of Harris county and not the reason Texas was lost.

Same as 2018, Dems get the turnout they dream of and still lose. Texas isn't urban enough yet. For all the identity politics that get played it's really just urban vs not urban that matters.

Warlord23
11-04-2020, 04:16 AM
Same as 2018, Dems get the turnout they dream of and still lose. Texas isn't urban enough yet. For all the identity politics that get played it's really just urban vs not urban that matters.

This is basically US politics in a nutshell. The D vs R divide is basically urban vs exurban. Plus the electoral college gives a small but important advantage to sparsely populated states at the expense of the big ones. It'll be interesting to see the final popular vote % this time ... the popular vote margin and the electoral college margin continue to diverge

baseline bum
11-04-2020, 09:16 AM
This is basically US politics in a nutshell. The D vs R divide is basically urban vs exurban. Plus the electoral college gives a small but important advantage to sparsely populated states at the expense of the big ones. It'll be interesting to see the final popular vote % this time ... the popular vote margin and the electoral college margin continue to diverge

Small advantage? I'm about ready to call the electoral college an intractable problem for the Democrats. Looks like they might barely hang on this time, but how are they going to win it in an election where the Republican hasn't gotten 300,000 Americans killed and plunged the nation into the deepest recession any of us has ever seen?

TimDunkem
11-04-2020, 09:17 AM
Small advantage? I'm about ready to call the electoral college an intractable problem for the Democrats. Looks like they might barely hang on this time, but how are they going to win it in an election where the Republican hasn't gotten 300,000 Americans killed and plunged the nation into the deepest recession any of us has ever seen?

Half of this country literally doesn't give a shit if it means keeping liberals, minorities, gays, and women down.

RandomGuy
11-04-2020, 09:25 AM
TX is still verly clearly Republican. I love me some SA but yall are the minority in terms of prevailing sentiment and politics in the souf

and dont give me Austin bullshit if anything this election proves its that Gen Z dont vote at all

What I am hearing is that they came out to vote but the dumbasses didn't register beforehand.

Sigh.

Us Dems has ONE fuckign job... get people registered. fuck.

RandomGuy
11-04-2020, 09:36 AM
Half of this country literally doesn't give a shit if it means keeping liberals, minorities, gays, and women down.

It says something about the effectiveness of the right-wing propaganda machine.

TimDunkem
11-04-2020, 09:57 AM
It says something about the effectiveness of the right-wing propaganda machine.

All you have to do is scream socialism and half of this country believes you.

DarrinS
11-04-2020, 10:44 AM
Add Tarrant, which Trump won by 8.5.

Hays, which Trump narrowly won

Collin will be close, Trump won by 17

Denton will be ~+5 Trump, he won by 20 previously

Texas will be blue by this time tomorrow.

:lol

Winehole23
11-04-2020, 10:57 AM
Small advantage? I'm about ready to call the electoral college an intractable problem for the Democrats.Minority rule in the USA seems to be an intractable problem. Republicans have won the popular vote for president only once since 1988 -- in 2004. The lack of proportional representation in the Senate leads to a chronic imbalance there too.

Winehole23
11-04-2020, 11:01 AM
All you have to do is scream socialism and half of this country believes you.Maybe the dems should have thrown in some robust, socialist policies, too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El_YJT4VoAA0pNf?format=png&name=900x900

TimDunkem
11-04-2020, 11:04 AM
Maybe the dems should have thrown in some robust, socialist policies, too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/El_YJT4VoAA0pNf?format=png&name=900x900

I think the difference is electing a populist the rubes can get around. Biden doesn't inspire which shocks no one.

Winehole23
11-05-2020, 05:47 PM
fingers pointed at Biden's lack of a ground game


Republican political consultant Derek Ryan said Democratic candidates generally over-relied on phone calls, texts, commercials and mail in an attempt to make up for their lack of in-person campaigning. Republicans gained an advantage, Ryan said, by block-walking door to door, which they did while wearing masks and standing six feet from voters’ front doors. Marc Campos, a longtime Democratic strategist in Houston, agreed with that assessment. ‘I think there’s something to be said about not having a traditional ground game while the Republicans did,’ Campos said.https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-was-a-train-wreck-for-Democrats-in-2020-15702596.php

DMX7
11-05-2020, 05:54 PM
fingers pointed at Biden's lack of a ground game

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Houston-was-a-train-wreck-for-Democrats-in-2020-15702596.php

I agree 100%. People completely tune out tv commercials and radio adverts after a while. But when you actually talk to people then it has a more real and compelling dynamic.

But even Harris' appearance in Texas were non-events because of COVID and the timing of them. She was in Houston for a stop and probably 95% of people there had no clue.