Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

[Biggems]

How the fuck are you getting #4 from Chicago?

Someone in the thread put DDR, murray, 41 to chi for levine, another player, 4

[exstatic]

Someone in the thread put DDR, murray, 41 to chi for levine, another player, 4

So, you think that means it could happen? Not likely. Just some guy on a message board, as opposed to Lowe, who’s a national figure and source.

[Wu36]

I really don’t think they go all in on a draft like this. I could be wrong. But with the current young I don’t see 3 firsts. Or 2. A movie up I could see

[Biggems]

So, you think that means it could happen? Not likely. Just some guy on a message board, as opposed to Lowe, who’s a national figure and source.

Regardless, who would you take at 2, 4 and 11?

[TXstbobcat]

Regardless, who would you take at 2, 4 and 11?

wiseman and Halliburton with 2 and 4. Bey with 11.

[Thomas82]

so Wiseman/Okongwu at worst. Hornets badly wanting Wiseman rumors makes Timberwolves taking Wiseman sound reliable. Any asset plus number 3 sound like an easy decision for Timberwolves specially with these rumors Spurs might be interested in Wiseman as well. Taking a starting big makes tons of sense for Spurs.

I heard the Hornets were also looking at Okungwu. Then I also saw somewhere that the Wolves were looking at taking LaMelo Ball with their pick, whether they keep him or trade his rights. I guess we'll find out next Wednesday.

[Wu36]

Why would they want to invest in a year where players have been on their own for so long? No summer league, probably a short preseason and a short season. I’m not just talking about a perceived weak draft. If they move up to snag a guy they like cool. But why add so many? They need to figure out what they have. Not flood it.

[exstatic]

Regardless, who would you take at 2, 4 and 11?

The question is nonsensical if you don’t believe we’ll get those picks. It’s like the poll thread for which players posters don’t want back that included neither Marco nor Bryn.

At #2, I’d pick Wiseman. We won’t get #4, and #11 will go to GS in the trade, a pick swap.

[Thomas82]

The question is nonsensical if you don’t believe we’ll get those picks. It’s like the poll thread for which players posters don’t want back that included neither Marco nor Bryn.

At #2, I’d pick Wiseman. We won’t get #4, and #11 will go to GS in the trade, a pick swap.

If we have to give up #11, I'm hoping we could get an additional first rounder to get Jalen Smith.

[Sugus]

I heard the Hornets were also looking at Okungwu. Then I also saw somewhere that the Wolves were looking at taking LaMelo Ball with their pick, whether they keep him or trade his rights. I guess we'll find out next Wednesday.

I feel like the Hornets are bluffing by putting out rumors painting them as bullish on big men. Regardless, I don't think Minny picks Wiseman at all, and if the team that lands #2 doesn't pick up Wiseman, I could see Okongwu falling to #6-8 range, where the Spurs could more easily trade up. I've been interested on Onyeka, so I hope the Spurs are considering him. Hadn't heard anywhere about the Wolves rumor, got a source? That thing about "whether they keep him or trade him" sounds like the Wiseman rumor linked to them.

[Thomas82]

I feel like the Hornets are bluffing by putting out rumors painting them as bullish on big men. Regardless, I don't think Minny picks Wiseman at all, and if the team that lands #2 doesn't pick up Wiseman, I could see Okongwu falling to #6-8 range, where the Spurs could more easily trade up. I've been interested on Onyeka, so I hope the Spurs are considering him. Hadn't heard anywhere about the Wolves rumor, got a source? That thing about "whether they keep him or trade him" sounds like the Wiseman rumor linked to them.

I saw the LaMelo rumor on CBSSports.com earlier.

[Dhbsr555]

Warriors could be in some shit if no one takes Wiggins contract

[Thomas82]

Warriors could be in some shit if no one takes Wiggins contract

Yeah, and real deep too!!

[tim_duncan_fan]

This is "no es fake", right?

[rankingtear]

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[PhantomDashCam]

A precursor of things to come?

https://twitter.com/aldridge_12/status/1325860093192245248?s=20

[SpurPadre]

A precursor of things to come?

https://twitter.com/aldridge_12/status/1325860093192245248?s=20

A few years ago, he didn't enjoy putting in the work for a WCF team because of the "my touches" bullshit. Would he say there was something wrong him back then?

[DPG21920]

The question is nonsensical if you don’t believe we’ll get those picks. It’s like the poll thread for which players posters don’t want back that included neither Marco nor Bryn.

At #2, I’d pick Wiseman. We won’t get #4, and #11 will go to GS in the trade, a pick swap.

Only if Sa is rerouting Wiggins to a 3rd team and not taking on salary. No way they eat a big deal and swap picks.

[tbdog]

A few years ago, he didn't enjoy putting in the work for a WCF team because of the "my touches" bullshit. Would he say there was something wrong him back then?

Misconception. Typical media leak. He explained why he was unhappy with Pop. He responded with an excellent season.

[Chillen]

Only if Sa is rerouting Wiggins to a 3rd team and not taking on salary. No way they eat a big deal and swap picks.

Maybe Pop thinks he can help turn Wiggins into a star.

Anyway this is all probably just a rumor since the NBA draft is getting closer. Warriors probably want to keep the #2 pick and trade Wiggins for LMA. Spurs will have to give them Murray to get that #2 pick.

Spurs need to make moves and do a partial rebuild, staying pat is going to produce more of the same. Duncan, Manu, Kawhi, Tony are long gone.

[LkrFan]

This morning I heard on SiriusXM a trade proposal of LMA to the Dubs centered around the #2 overall pick and fill-ins to make the numbers work. Wiseman to the Spurs in a rebuild? Do it RC.

[SpursDynasty85]

A few years ago, he didn't enjoy putting in the work for a WCF team because of the "my touches" bullshit. Would he say there was something wrong him back then?

I get the impression he always worked on his type of game. Hated it when people were trying to teach him something new until he finally gave in with the teachers.

[Thomas82]

This morning I heard on SiriusXM a trade proposal of LMA to the Dubs centered around the #2 overall pick and fill-ins to make the numbers work. Wiseman to the Spurs in a rebuild? Do it RC.

Hell yeah.......let's make it happen!!

[cd021]

It has been well reported that them and Mini have been trying to trade their picks. Some teams besides ours that I have seen linked to them are Phli, Phoenix, Milwaukee.

You say bigs are in good supply. I put good bigs, who are the good bigs that are in such large supply?

Ive seen Golden State shopping the pick but haven't seen Philly, Milwaukee, and Phoenix trying to trade. for that pick. Let alone teams rejecting deals for the number 2 pick.

That doesn't really make sense because teams can't even make trades. Also trade talks probably haven't gotten serious enough, with the uncertainty regarding the cap and tax, which just got clarified today.

- I don't understand your question. I said bigs are in good supply and Poeltl is likely to get squeezed in RFA. He's good but the teams with cap or the full MLE don't need him because they have their own centers. It's a deep position.


I also said Aldridge is among the best bigs but at his point in his career isn't enough of a return to justify GSW trading the number 2 pick for -straight up. Spurs would need to add the number 11 pick and probably another asset.

[SpursDynasty85]

Ive seen Golden State shopping the pick but haven't seen Philly, Milwaukee, and Phoenix trying to trade. for that pick. Let alone teams rejecting deals for the number 2 pick.

That doesn't really make sense because teams can't even make trades. Also trade talks probably haven't gotten serious enough, with the uncertainty regarding the cap and tax, which just got clarified today.

- I don't understand your question. I said bigs are in good supply and Poeltl is likely to get squeezed in RFA. He's good but the teams with cap or the full MLE don't need him because they have their own centers. It's a deep position.


I also said Aldridge is among the best bigs but at his point in his career isn't enough of a return to justify GSW trading the number 2 pick for -straight up. Spurs would need to add the number 11 pick and probably another asset.


disagree. Aldridge plus 11 should be plenty. No home run hitters in this years draft. 11 will still get them a pretty comparable pick. Aldridge still has 3 years at around this production IMO. He can protect the paint and stretch the floor plus be a great post up option and solid pnr player. His game is aging well. May need to get a 3rd team involved for the salary filler since Wiggins might be a deal breaker for either GS or SA depending on how the market fairs.

[Leetonidas]

A precursor of things to come?

https://twitter.com/aldridge_12/status/1325860093192245248?s=20

Sounds more like he's hyping himself up than anything imho

[barakz21]

The longer it goes, the more I’m believing that it’s either all just smoke and mirrors, or that that team is legitimately trying to get #2 but won’t actually happen.

[SpursDynasty85]

The longer it goes, the more I’m believing that it’s either all just smoke and mirrors, or that that team is legitimately trying to get #2 but won’t actually happen.

This is the kind of deal that can only happen on draft night unless Minnesota gets involved.

[Degoat]

I don’t know if it’s been speculated on but I could see the warriors only doing this trade if Wiseman is taken #1, I think wiseman is the GSWs guy but if he’s gone they’d settle with getting Aldridge + 11 or something

[Dverde]

This is the kind of deal that can only happen on draft night unless Minnesota gets involved.

That makes sense for lower picks. With #2 you know all but one player will be available. I would do the deal ASAP so another team doesn’t swoop in with a better offer. I still think the pick swap with Atlanta or Detroit are more possible.

[look_at_g_shred]

Imho, the only reason this seems plausible is you trade away Wiggins (lengthy and pricey) contract for 1 year of LMA, then the dubs use that cap space next summer to go after Giannis. I think that’s the warriors play.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Imho, the only reason this seems plausible is you trade away Wiggins (lengthy and pricey) contract for 1 year of LMA, then the dubs use that cap space next summer to go after Giannis. I think that’s the warriors play.

GS won't have cap space until 2023.

[SpursDynasty85]

That makes sense for lower picks. With #2 you know all but one player will be available. I would do the deal ASAP so another team doesn’t swoop in with a better offer. I still think the pick swap with Atlanta or Detroit are more possible.

Still not a given because every team is trying to leverage what they have even to the point of some teams taking players they never worked out or talked only because they have insider knowledge that the team behind them wants them. Minnesota holds a lot of cards here especially because they now here Charlotte and Spurs are very high on a guy like Wiseman. Say Spurs make this trade but Hornets get scared and make a trade with Timberwolves for an asset + their 3rd while Timberwolves still might get the guy they always wanted at #3 anyway (i.e. either Edwards or LaMelo Ball). Even then many teams are eyeing those two guards so they could theoretically get even more after that by trading that pick to NY or Detroit who seem to be high on both of those guys as well.

Point is, Teams talk and prepare for dozens of scenarios that could happen until the actual draft and even then curveballs are thrown around everywhere.

[Dhbsr555]

Do the warriors use trade exemption on Rudy gay

[SpurPadre]

I don't know if this has been posted already but earlier this year, Wiseman said he modeled his game after DA ADMIRAL. https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/james-wiseman-looking-to-model-his-game-after-a-spurs-legend

"So I am more like a back-in-the-day guy. So I'll say David Robinson for sure."

[Thomas82]

I don't know if this has been posted already but earlier this year, Wiseman said he modeled his game after DA ADMIRAL. https://news4sanantonio.com/sports/spurs-zone/james-wiseman-looking-to-model-his-game-after-a-spurs-legend

"So I am more like a back-in-the-day guy. So I'll say David Robinson for sure."

Another reason why the Spurs would be the ideal fit for him. He could learn from The Admiral himself.

[exstatic]

This is the kind of deal that can only happen on draft night unless Minnesota gets involved.

You always want to trade draft rights to the player selected in the first round on draft night. If you trade the pick, you are precluded from trading your next first rounder, should something come up at the deadline. That’s any team.

[exstatic]

GS won't have cap space until 2023.

And that is only if they renounce Klay and Steph. Raymond has a player option for 2023-2024. It’s $27M, and he’ll be 34.

[exstatic]

Irony: LMA was drafted #2 overall, and traded on draft night to Portland. NBA Looper.

[Obi Juan Kenobi]

Irony: LMA was drafted #2 overall, and traded on draft night to Portland. NBA Looper.

Ahhh that's right Chicago drafted him I believe...

[exstatic]

Ahhh that's right Chicago drafted him I believe...

Yup. Da Bulls!

[SpursDynasty85]

You always want to trade draft rights to the player selected in the first round on draft night. If you trade the pick, you are precluded from trading your next first rounder, should something come up at the deadline. That’s any team.

If you get a 1st rounder in return it negates that rule. Plus isn’t it ok to trade all your future first rounders in separately?

[exstatic]

If you get a 1st rounder in return it negates that rule. Plus isn’t it ok to trade all your future first rounders in separately?

No. You must make a pick every other year, even if you the trade the rights to the player. That’s the Stepien rule.

[TD 21]

No, they’re not the Spurs. They are in tax hell, and the Spurs aren’t. GS also won’t be able to monetize that new arena like they thought they would, at least not this season. They could pay $31M in tax JUST on pick #2 next season. Imagine that other 30ish million that they’ll have to pay 3.5-1 tax on.

You were saying . . .

[lefty]

Biden president not Trump

[SpursDynasty85]

No. You must make a pick every other year, even if you the trade the rights to the player. That’s the Stepien rule.

“Of course, in spite of the Stepien rule, a team could still end up without a first-round pick on an annual basis, since the rule only applies to futurefirst-rounders. So a team like Toronto, which traded away its 2013 first-round pick, is now free to move its 2014 first-rounder, if it so chooses. In other words, a team can give up back-to-back first-round picks if the first of those two drafts has already passed.”
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2013/12/trading-future-draft.html

lots of ways to circumvent this.

[CGD]

If the Spurs don't have to trade #11 I'd take on Wiggins. Either trade #11 or take on Wiggins, not both.

I tend to agree in principle, but in another lost COVID year for the NBA who cares? It’s just paper swapping hands next year, and one more year of Wiggins beyond that. Get your kid at #2, and perhaps make GSW cough up a second. You picked two rooks last year anyway.

[SpurPadre]

Another reason why the Spurs would be the ideal fit for him. He could learn from The Admiral himself.

This is the guy for us. Just makes so much sense. Hopefully, PATFO can pull off a deal, even if it means getting Wiggins in return, IMO. We'll see.

[cd021]

disagree. Aldridge plus 11 should be plenty. No home run hitters in this years draft. 11 will still get them a pretty comparable pick. Aldridge still has 3 years at around this production IMO. He can protect the paint and stretch the floor plus be a great post up option and solid pnr player. His game is aging well. May need to get a 3rd team involved for the salary filler since Wiggins might be a deal breaker for either GS or SA depending on how the market fairs.

Aldridge and 11 for Wiggins and #2 probably isn't enough for Golden State. They'd need another asset for them to even consider it, otherwise another team could put together a better package. Also, adding a third team means that they'd need to get an asset to take on 3 years of Wiggins. Spurs can and should take on Wiggins deal to get the number 2 pick, but its doubtful if their package would be enough as is.

[Robz4000]

I tend to agree in principle, but in another lost COVID year for the NBA who cares? It’s just paper swapping hands next year, and one more year of Wiggins beyond that. Get your kid at #2, and perhaps make GSW cough up a second. You picked two rooks last year anyway.

If the Spurs trade for Wiggins they prolly lose Poeltl this year and one of White/Walker the following year.

[cd021]

Do the warriors use trade exemption on Rudy gay

If the Aldridge deal doesn't happen, then maybe. They'd have to give up Minnesota's 2021 second round though.

[talkspurs]

Ive seen Golden State shopping the pick but haven't seen Philly, Milwaukee, and Phoenix trying to trade. for that pick. Let alone teams rejecting deals for the number 2 pick.

That doesn't really make sense because teams can't even make trades. Also trade talks probably haven't gotten serious enough, with the uncertainty regarding the cap and tax, which just got clarified today.

- I don't understand your question. I said bigs are in good supply and Poeltl is likely to get squeezed in RFA. He's good but the teams with cap or the full MLE don't need him because they have their own centers. It's a deep position.


I also said Aldridge is among the best bigs but at his point in his career isn't enough of a return to justify GSW trading the number 2 pick for -straight up. Spurs would need to add the number 11 pick and probably another asset.

GS has reached out to those teams and was turned down. You asked who has turned them down those were some of the teams.

Teams cant announce trades yet but that does not mean they are not working on them in the background. I have even seen reports of teams talking to FA which they have not even set a date yet on when that can happen. Draft is in 8 days you can bet there have been serious talks between some of the teams.

I said there are not many good bigs left. Your reply was there are lots of bigs. LMA is a good big. I would not cinsider Potel a good big. yes he is an NBA player but when I talk about good bigs I am talking about players that Will start on Several teams. players that would probably get over 20 mil a year. there and not many like that available.

[talkspurs]

If the Aldridge deal doesn't happen, then maybe. They'd have to give up Minnesota's 2021 second round though.

Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

[diego]

Don't know about likelihood, contracts etc..

But if the spurs can flip aldridge for wiggins they should, he is on a different timeline than the rest of our guys and a bad fit for them. Having derozan and wiggins and gay together sound like a nightmare, but at least derozan and wiggins have more future value than aldridge, and I think pop is quite good at maximizing these types of players. Obviously the ideal is to get picks too but even straight up I think I would do it, spurs need to get younger and fully rebuild

[Dhbsr555]

Taking on Wiggins contract is a horrible idea

[SpursDynasty85]

Aldridge and 11 for Wiggins and #2 probably isn't enough for Golden State. They'd need another asset for them to even consider it, otherwise another team could put together a better package. Also, adding a third team means that they'd need to get an asset to take on 3 years of Wiggins. Spurs can and should take on Wiggins deal to get the number 2 pick, but its doubtful if their package would be enough as is.

Well the salaries matching are the hardest things. I don’t think Spurs would want Wiggins maybe there would be a way without that because at face value 2 for Aldridge + 11 is fair IMO. Wiggins value is also varied. I think some teams might see him as an asset others would not. Under Pandemic circumstances I guess it should be looked at more as a negative but if it takes certain teams over the hump it may be worth it to purchase Wiggins for something of value. Hopefully Mr. Brian Wright is a worthy successor!

[Thomas82]

This is the guy for us. Just makes so much sense. Hopefully, PATFO can pull off a deal, even if it means getting Wiggins in return, IMO. We'll see.

I'm in total agreement. It makes too much sense. Besides, Wiseman is who I wanted for us ever since he announced he was turning pro.

[Dhbsr555]

What about trading derozen to hawks for there pick

[daslicer]

What about trading derozen to hawks for there pick

The Knicks really want Derozan. You maybe able to swap Derozan for their pick.

[Dhbsr555]

Of course DeRozan has to opt in

[cd021]

Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

There have been reports that Golden State isn't going to use it unless a player they like comes available. Gay has been speculated as a player that Golden State would like. Since The Spurs are likely rebuilding and are going to be a relatively expensive team, relative to a rebuilding team, so being able to trade Gay into GSWs trade exception should interest them.

Golden State has four trade assets that seem to fit; their 2nd pick in this years draft, their pick next season and Minny's 2021 1st and 2nd round picks. GSW probably isn't giving up a first for Gay-- The Spurs apparently wanted one last season and couldn't get one for him.

Its hard to say how good Golden State will be next season, obviously that affects the quality of their first round pick. It seems likely that their pick be in the early 20's. Teams don't give up good first's for aging vets on expiring deals. That leaves Minnesota's 2nd round pick, which is actually a pretty good asset. That's probably a high second round pick. That makes plenty of sense tbh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Don't know about likelihood, contracts etc..

But if the spurs can flip aldridge for wiggins they should, he is on a different timeline than the rest of our guys and a bad fit for them. Having derozan and wiggins and gay together sound like a nightmare, but at least derozan and wiggins have more future value than aldridge, and I think pop is quite good at maximizing these types of players. Obviously the ideal is to get picks too but even straight up I think I would do it, spurs need to get younger and fully rebuild

Taking on Wiggins's contract means the Spurs would likely be in the tax. There's no way they do it unless GS attach the 2nd pick and they probably don't do it even this way. Also, with the expectation that the cap will be going down the next couple of years taking Wiggins very likely means losing at least 2 out of Poeltl, White and Walker. Possibly all 3.

[Chillen]

Taking on Wiggins's contract means the Spurs would likely be in the tax. There's no way they do it unless GS attach the 2nd pick and they probably don't do it even this way. Also, with the expectation that the cap will be going down the next couple of years taking Wiggins very likely means losing at least 2 out of Poeltl, White and Walker. Possibly all 3.

Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

I didn't mean Warriors would want Poeltl, White or Walker. I meant that the Spurs wouldn't be able to pay them if they take Wiggins's contract.

[tbdog]

Not sure how much legs this rumor has but Spurs at some point have to absorb a contract or two if they want to make this team better built for contention in the future. Wiggins can always be traded later. Now this deal is risky for Spurs because if they want Wiseman Minny might take him at #1. You have a point if Spurs plan on full rebuild they might have to sweeten the deal for Warriors. LMA, Poeltl, White, Walker, 1 future 1st round pick for Wiggins, #2 draft pick. Spurs keep their #11th pick. Warriors would be stupid to pass on that trade.

Of course they would be stupid. That is just lop sided. Not only are the Spurs giving up the best player, they also giving up the best youths and a pick for by far the worst contract. If you would look one of the most lopsided trades in history, Gasol to LAL. It's like the Grizz also add young Conley, Mike Miller, and Darko, plus a pick.

[Dhbsr555]

Spurs arnt gonna forfeit there mortgage maybe they add Luka but there not trading Lonnie and dwhite to take on a horrible contract

[Ignazzz]

Spurs should:
full tank mode on for 2021
keep 11th
go for MIN 2021 1rd via GSW not for 2nd 2020

[Ignazzz]

Maybe it works in 4 teams deal
suns OKC spurs and Golden

[4lifecowboy]

What if Wiseman isn't the target, what if it is Okongwu?

[mo7888]

What if Wiseman isn't the target, what if it is Okongwu?

I think its Wiseman and Deni is their backup pick..

[cd021]

GS has reached out to those teams and was turned down. You asked who has turned them down those were some of the teams.

Teams cant announce trades yet but that does not mean they are not working on them in the background. I have even seen reports of teams talking to FA which they have not even set a date yet on when that can happen. Draft is in 8 days you can bet there have been serious talks between some of the teams.

I said there are not many good bigs left. Your reply was there are lots of bigs. LMA is a good big. I would not cinsider Potel a good big. yes he is an NBA player but when I talk about good bigs I am talking about players that Will start on Several teams. players that would probably get over 20 mil a year. there and not many like that available.

I'm curious as to where you're seeing this. There was a very sketchy rumor about Golden State preparing to trade for Giannis but that sounds like more of a sign and trade after next season.

Teams were probably inquiring about trades but I doubt many got far in the negation process with the moratorium and the uncertainty regarding the tax. Now that's that's been clarified, teams can ramp up trade talks ahead of the moratorium being lifted.

That's a really odd way of assessing bigs. There are plenty of solid bigs, some of whom that don't even start or make $20 million a season (like Montrezl Harrell)

I think Poeltl is good and a starting caliber big. He isn't going to make $20 million a season, actually many centers don't make $20 millions a season.

[cd021]

I think its Wiseman and Deni is their backup pick..
That sounds right, if they indeed trade up.

[4lifecowboy]

Haven't met with Wiseman to my knowledge, I don't know where the perceived interest is coming from. I believe Okongwu can we viewed as a defensive anchor.

[exstatic]

Haven't met with Wiseman to my knowledge, I don't know where the perceived interest is coming from. I believe Okongwu can we viewed as a defensive anchor.

You don’t want to openly show your hand. You have to ask yourself if GS is going to trade #2,why did they bother meeting with Wiseman? That could have provided cover for Spurs reps being there, and also wouldn’t count as one of the SA meetings, which are limited.

[poopbox]

Wow your value is way off on things. GS will probably not use their TE for gay it would have to be areally good player for them to use it. They would have to include something. I coudl see them maybe doing their 2021 1st but not Minis.

They could absolutely use it on Gay cause he might be the best player available to them to use it on. They either have to use it or lose it.

[Thomas82]

You don’t want to openly show your hand. You have to ask yourself if GS is going to trade #2,why did they bother meeting with Wiseman? That could have provided cover for Spurs reps being there, and also wouldn’t count as one of the SA meetings, which are limited.

Good post!!

[CGD]

If the Spurs trade for Wiggins they prolly lose Poeltl this year and one of White/Walker the following year.

Why? All those guys are cost controlled, and DDR comes off the books next year. If they are pitched somehow this year (they’re not), they can shed Lyles easy.

[Robz4000]

Why? All those guys are cost controlled, and DDR comes off the books next year. If they are pitched somehow this year (they’re not), they can shed Lyles easy.

Forgot Walker was still under his rookie contract in 21/22 tbh. Still wouldn't give them #11 since the #2 pick this year would be the 10th pick in most other drafts.

[NASpurs]

Saw this on reddit

1326616444189077504

[talkspurs]

They could absolutely use it on Gay cause he might be the best player available to them to use it on. They either have to use it or lose it.

They could use it yes but Doubt they would as that would be adding a lot to their already high tax rate.

[Robz4000]

Saw this on reddit

1326616444189077504

Please let it be for dumping both DDR and LMA prayingdog.gif

[Larry O]

Well, for one thing for sure, & that's PATFO has been coveting Deni Avdija for some time now, & I'm sure that they would love to draft him next week. Of coarse, that would mean for them to move up in the draft to get him. And with that number 2 pick, if they pull the trade trigger, I can see them going after their guy. They already have worked him out, but here is a article about it from Forbes: Teams like San Antonio and Milwaukee would have to trade up from their draft positions to have any kind of shot at Avdija, who’s projected to be take anywhere from 2 to somewhere in the top 10. Do the Spurs trade someone like DeMar DeRozan to move up? Who would the Bucks have to deal in order to be in a position to pair Avdija with Giannis Antetokounmpo next season?

With two weeks to go until the draft, rumors are going to be flying and some of them may even not be total, misleading lies!
I can see PATFO picking Deni over Wiseman, since it seems like they have been scouting & eyeing him for quite some time, & he would be a welcome addition to the Spurs' needs. So, if this LMA to GS is a possibility & if it can be pulled off, then, I can see Avdija being selected by the Spurs over Wiseman. So, come on 11/18!!!

[talkspurs]

There have been reports that Golden State isn't going to use it unless a player they like comes available. Gay has been speculated as a player that Golden State would like. Since The Spurs are likely rebuilding and are going to be a relatively expensive team, relative to a rebuilding team, so being able to trade Gay into GSWs trade exception should interest them.

Golden State has four trade assets that seem to fit; their 2nd pick in this years draft, their pick next season and Minny's 2021 1st and 2nd round picks. GSW probably isn't giving up a first for Gay-- The Spurs apparently wanted one last season and couldn't get one for him.

Its hard to say how good Golden State will be next season, obviously that affects the quality of their first round pick. It seems likely that their pick be in the early 20's. Teams don't give up good first's for aging vets on expiring deals. That leaves Minnesota's 2nd round pick, which is actually a pretty good asset. That's probably a high second round pick. That makes plenty of sense tbh.

So I will start by saying I thought your post said Minis 2021 1st pick for gay. Yours said minis 2021 2nd. I still this would be high but might be obtainable if GS wanted it. Would more realistically see GS giving us their 2nd. Spurs would be interested I would think as it would be a salary dump for them and help out a player. GS is the team that I could not see doing it. lots of tax on this.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I really wish they could keep LMA and dump derozan for #2 but derozan has no value in the modern nba

[DPG21920]

I really wish they could keep LMA and dump derozan for #2 but derozan has no value in the modern nba

Yes he does & he’s likely to be traded

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Yes he does & he’s likely to be traded
Who’s gonna want someone who refuses to shoot 3s and play bad D?

[DPG21920]

Who’s gonna want someone who refuses to shoot 3s and play bad D?

Plenty of teams. Not everyone in the NBA thinks like SpursTalk lol

[jjktkk]

With two weeks to go until the draft,
One week. The 2020 NBA draft will be held on November 18, 2020.

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs arnt gonna forfeit there mortgage maybe they add Luka but there not trading Lonnie and dwhite to take on a horrible contract

I wouldn't be so sure. This front office has done nothing but dumb shit since the 2017 offseason. I don't trust them one bit

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Plenty of teams. Not everyone in the NBA thinks like SpursTalk lol
I’ve only heard of the magic being interested in derozan and spurs talk could run that team better then they are imho. Tbh I hope I’m wrong though and someone will take him off the spurs hands

[gambit1990]

I’ve only heard of the magic being interested in derozan and spurs talk could run that team better then they are imho. Tbh I hope I’m wrong though and someone will take him off the spurs hands
knicks would love to have him. harden is good friends with him...

[LkrFan]

Down Lowe Bomb
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1326650650323775488?s=19

Another Spur signs with Bron :toast

[Sugus]

Down Lowe Bombs
https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/1326650650323775488?s=19

Another Spur signs with Bron :toast

Not good. Hopefully it's nothing to worry about, but I've grown to fear LeGM.

[LkrFan]

DPG chimes in
https://twitter.com/DPG21920/status/1326651195352608768?s=19

[exstatic]

Not good. Hopefully it's nothing to worry about, but I've grown to fear LeGM.

DJ re-upped here, and Klutch reps him.

[EasyMoney]

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1326653880323596288?s=19

[DPG21920]

DPG chimes in
https://twitter.com/DPG21920/status/1326651195352608768?s=19

DPG also chimes in 3 months ago:

https://twitter.com/dpg21920/status/1296613547284271107?s=21

[NASpurs]

Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

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[Joseph Kony]

Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

1326562223133765633


Nice. We usually never hear anything about SA engaging teams in trade talks ever so something is definitely up, especially if multiple front offices are pointing it out. I'm gonna jizz myself if Spurs flip their garbage stars for some solid rebuilding pieces

[talkspurs]

Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

1326562223133765633


I think this actually hurts our leverage. That being said sometimes you have to be aggressive to get the trade done.

[Dverde]

Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

1326562223133765633

It’s just Pop picking up the phone and saying we like what we have :pop:

[EasyMoney]

https://twitter.com/LetsGoWarriors/status/1326654921802801153?s=19 that 2 pick is being traded

[cool cat]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/61ade2fe9ffd244a96c3f0ff71011bf7/tenor.gif?itemid=4407969

[SpurPadre]

Will Tspence weigh in on what the Spurs are going to do in the draft?

[buttsR4rebounding]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/61ade2fe9ffd244a96c3f0ff71011bf7/tenor.gif?itemid=4407969

Full circle. Lol.

[LkrFan]

DPG also chimes in 3 months ago:

https://twitter.com/dpg21920/status/1296613547284271107?s=21

Whoah! :lol

[The Truth #6]

There definitely could be something to all these trade rumors with Golden State. Or, Steve Kerr is trying to do Pop a solid by letting these rumors persist to help Pop hype up Lamarcus on the trade market. Both options are plausible and also sort of ridiculous.

[cd021]

So I will start by saying I thought your post said Minis 2021 1st pick for gay. Yours said minis 2021 2nd. I still this would be high but might be obtainable if GS wanted it. Would more realistically see GS giving us their 2nd. Spurs would be interested I would think as it would be a salary dump for them and help out a player. GS is the team that I could not see doing it. lots of tax on this.

Easy mistake but Golden State's second probably isn't going to be as valuable to the Spurs. Golden State owns both of Minnesota's 2021 picks from the DeAngelo Russell trade.

Them taking Gay into their trade exception in exchange for the Minnesota 2021 second rounder makes sense for both teams. Golden State gets a player that can help them for the cost of a second rounder and the Spurs lop off $14.5 million from their books.

[Ron Swanson]

Will Tspence weigh in on what the Spurs are going to do in the draft?

We need another Twitter fight with Don Harris.

[The Truth #6]

Easy mistake but Golden State's second probably isn't going to be as valuable to the Spurs. Golden State owns both of Minnesota's 2021 picks from the DeAngelo Russell trade.

Them taking Gay into their trade exception in exchange for the Minnesota 2021 second rounder makes sense for both teams. Golden State gets a player that can help them for the cost of a second rounder and the Spurs lop off $14.5 million from their books.

Please, yes. A high 2nd rounder would be incredible but in this draft.

[cd021]

Where there's smoke...

(although it seems like sometimes something simple like what Zach Lowe said on his podcast can snowball when there's nothing really there)

1326562223133765633

I was listening to that Hollinger podcast last week, and he mentioned that doing deals with the Spurs were the hardest because they never really showed any of their cards so teams didn't know they were willing to trade. As a result their interest in players never really got reported.

The fact that multiple people have reported the Spurs trying to move up shows that they're being much more aggressive than normal.

[cd021]

Please, yes. A high 2nd rounder would be incredible but in this draft.
Dallas has Golden State's 2nd in this draft. The 2021 draft is supposed to be better, I'm sure that's the pick that the Spurs would want from Golden State for Gay.

[Mugen]

After the Nephew deal, I'm legit surprised that teams aren't absolutely lining up to make a deal with Pop, RC, and Wright tbh

Couple of kind words to Pop and the Spurs will give you $ to take away their best assets :lol

[NASpurs]

After nephew and what happened with Bertans and the Morris fiasco, I don't know whether I'm scared or need to get out the popcorn.

[talkspurs]

Easy mistake but Golden State's second probably isn't going to be as valuable to the Spurs. Golden State owns both of Minnesota's 2021 picks from the DeAngelo Russell trade.

Them taking Gay into their trade exception in exchange for the Minnesota 2021 second rounder makes sense for both teams. Golden State gets a player that can help them for the cost of a second rounder and the Spurs lop off $14.5 million from their books.

I see it as more GS not wanting to add on all that salary and taxes. Spurs dont have much use for him. I agree that Min 2nd rd would probably be better but getting out from Gay salary for nothing would be good too. Its Kind of the same reason why I think it would be LMA for Wiggins and number 2 without the 11th. Spurs have some power here as they would be saving money for GS.

[cjw]

I see it as more GS not wanting to add on all that salary and taxes. Spurs dont have much use for him. I agree that Min 2nd rd would probably be better but getting out from Gay salary for nothing would be good too. Its Kind of the same reason why I think it would be LMA for Wiggins and number 2 without the 11th. Spurs have some power here as they would be saving money for GS.

Gay is an expiring and useful for a contender. Overpaid by a bit, sure. But not useless. Great salary matching piece.

[talkspurs]

Gay is an expiring and useful for a contender. Overpaid by a bit, sure. But not useless. Great salary matching piece.

Its not just over paid it is his salary time 4. him plus the repeater tax. Still think he is worth it? Dont think he will move the needle that much for them. They have already said they probably will not use it.

[cd021]

I see it as more GS not wanting to add on all that salary and taxes. Spurs dont have much use for him. I agree that Min 2nd rd would probably be better but getting out from Gay salary for nothing would be good too. Its Kind of the same reason why I think it would be LMA for Wiggins and number 2 without the 11th. Spurs have some power here as they would be saving money for GS.

John Hollinger has mentioned Gay as a player that Golden State and other contenders should go after. On a recent podcast, he suggested that GSW could take him into their trade exception while shipping out Kevon Looney.

Looney makes $4.8. In doing so it would offset some of Gay's salary, while probably saving GSW a lot in luxury tax, when compared to keeping Looney and adding Gay.

Spurs would probably want GSWs second round though, in addition to the Minny's 2021 second round pick back in that particular deal.

I think it's clear that several teams are interested in moving up in the draft, including Boston and New Orleans.

If GSW is serious about trading back then they have a number of other options. Spurs would need to include their 11th pick to make a competitive offer. Given how aggressive the Spurs seem to be, I think it's likely that they would, in addition to offering to take in Wiggins in a deal for number 2.

[RC_Drunkford]

Gay, Mills + 11 for Wiggins + 2

[Thomas82]

https://twitter.com/LetsGoWarriors/status/1326654921802801153?s=19 that 2 pick is being traded

Most definitely!!

[talkspurs]

John Hollinger has mentioned Gay as a player that Golden State and other contenders should go after. On a recent podcast, he suggested that GSW could take him into their trade exception while shipping out Kevon Looney.

Looney makes $4.8. In doing so it would offset some of Gay's salary, while probably saving GSW a lot in luxury tax, when compared to keeping Looney and adding Gay.

Spurs would probably want GSWs second round though, in addition to the Minny's 2021 second round pick back in that particular deal.

I think it's clear that several teams are interested in moving up in the draft, including Boston and New Orleans.

If GSW is serious about trading back then they have a number of other options. Spurs would need to include their 11th pick to make a competitive offer. Given how aggressive the Spurs seem to be, I think it's likely that they would, in addition to offering to take in Wiggins in a deal for number 2.

I dont think we could take back salary if Gay is going into the TE.

I realized he has been mentioned but GS has also said they dont want to do it unless the player is exceptional. I dont think he is exceptional.

Who else are we competing against for the #2. Everything I have seen has mentioned that teams have turned them down when wanting to include wiggins. I would not do it if we had to give up 11. #2 is no sure thing this year. #11 is not much worse then#2 this year and has a cheaper salary.

[Degoat]

ST gonna be livid af whenever spurs trade Aldridge + 11 for only Wiggins lol seriously I pray I’m wrong but I still can’t see the warriors trading the #2 for anyone on the spurs

[mo7888]

If GS wants to move Looney and use their TE then we could include Murray (I think his salary works) and keep #11.... That's probably as good of an offer as they could get..

[gambit1990]

i'm glad something is cooking !!

[gambit1990]

about time.

[exstatic]

ST gonna be livid af whenever spurs trade Aldridge + 11 for only Wiggins lol seriously I pray I’m wrong but I still can’t see the warriors trading the #2 for anyone on the spurs

#2 would cost them $40M in year one, with tax. The end.

[gambit1990]

i was gonna suggest it could end up being murray and la for looney and #2...

warriors like looney though. maybe it would be he or eric paschall...

[mo7888]

i was gonna suggest it could end up being murray and la for looney and #2...

warriors like looney though. maybe it would be he or eric paschall...

La and murray for Wiggins #2 and looney would work.... GS would have to be willing to pay some real tax penalty though...

[Degoat]

#2 would cost them $40M in year one, with tax. The end.

That #2 pick could also make them contenders for another 10+ years if they hit on it, the end. I hope your right tho

[Chinook]

ST gonna be livid af whenever spurs trade Aldridge + 11 for only Wiggins lol seriously I pray I’m wrong but I still can’t see the warriors trading the #2 for anyone on the spurs

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

[RC_Drunkford]

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

If they do 11 and Aldridge for 21 and Horford RC is officially smoking crack. You don't trade a better player and pick for an inferior. No way in hell. Holiday and White would be a dope combo, but givin NOLA Murray, Gay, Walker and 11 for him means we are getting robbed.

[mo7888]

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

I can't see the Horford trade myself... I could see the Holiday one though...

[Chinook]

If they do 11 and Aldridge for 21 and Horford RC is officially smoking crack. You don't trade a better player and pick for an inferior. No way in hell. Holiday and White would be a dope combo, but givin NOLA Murray, Gay, Walker and 11 for him means we are getting robbed.

Remember, Brian Wright is calling the shots now when it comes to trades. As far as Holiday goes, I'd want to keep 11 in the deal, and for an expiring contract, I think that's fair. I'd swap with NOP maybe or add a future first if it meant keeping Lonnie. Trading Aldridge for a defensive PF and bringing up Poeltl would go a long way toward fixing the defense.

[tbdog]

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

Why would Spurs drop 10 draft spots for a bigger contract?

[Chinook]

La and murray for Wiggins #2 and looney would work.... GS would have to be willing to pay some real tax penalty though...

That deal is basically salary neutral if LMA declines his kicker. Murray makes like $15 Million next year. LMA instead of Wiggins saves $4 Million. Not having the second pick saves another $9 Million. Looney makes $5 Million. So GS would only take on like $3 Million if they took back 11 in the deal. If the Spurs kept it, GS would actually save money over what they're currently slated to spend.

[Chinook]

Why would Spurs drop 10 draft spots for a bigger contract?

Because they're not the best when it comes to valuing players. They could easily see Horford's deal as being fine and want the certainty it provides over the chances of LMA walking. It's sort of like how people think Myles Turner is worth a ton even though he's arguably not better than Aldridge and is paid a lot for a not-special center.

[RC_Drunkford]

Remember, Brian Wright is calling the shots now when it comes to trades. As far as Holiday goes, I'd want to keep 11 in the deal, and for an expiring contract, I think that's fair. I'd swap with NOP maybe or add a future first if it meant keeping Lonnie. Trading Aldridge for a defensive PF and bringing up Poeltl would go a long way toward fixing the defense.

I think Murray + filler might interest NOLA. Spurs young players are usually overrated and he'd fit their timeline better than Jrue who's a vet. It just depends on what you have to give up. Horford only makes sense if you move Aldridge elsewhere. Say if you trade LA + 11 for Wiggins + 2, you could try to trade for Horford. I think they would move him for Gay and Mills. They need shooters and role players.

All in all I would love for the Spurs to make 2-3 trades. They could become a playoff team with the right moves

[mo7888]

That deal is basically salary neutral if LMA declines his kicker. Murray makes like $15 Million next year. LMA instead of Wiggins saves $4 Million. Not having the second pick saves another $9 Million. Looney makes $5 Million. So GS would only take on like $3 Million if they took back 11 in the deal. If the Spurs kept it, GS would actually save money over what they're currently slated to spend.

I'm glad you're here to breakdown numbers like that.... that's good stuff.... it really comes down to how much they value Murray then... personally, I think its a great spot of his skill set and he wouldn't be hindered by thinking he's more than he is playing next to Curry.

[Das Texan]

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.


I cant see Buford doing that on his most drunkest day of the year, tbh.

[talkspurs]

IM really starting to think some people want to make a trade just to make a trade. Does not matter if it clearly is a bad trade for us as long as we can say we made a trade.

[Dhbsr555]

As long as Forbes gets max I think spurs have done there due diligence

[DPG21920]

If anyone trades for Horford, especially giving them a better player, will be compensated with multiple picks.

[poopbox]

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

Trade 2 young guards and number 11 for a guard who has only had 3 good seasons in the nba, and is on a one year deal, and is going to deman near max money next year ?

The knicks wouldn't even do this trade

[Mugen]

I legit could see LMA and 11 for Horford and 21 with the idea that Al is similar player locked into a "better" contract. I 100-percent-seriously could.

I hope their active on the trade market with Murray. Holiday, Paul and Westbrook are all supposedly on the move. There will be teams that try to get one of those PGs and end up failing and might think DJM is a good alternative. I could also see SA's interest in a trade being a move where they trade Murray, Gay/Mills, Walker and 11 for Jrue and see them try to run Holiday, White, DeRozan, Lyles, Aldridge for a final shot.

:lol Jesus, you must think even less of this FO than I do. And I think they're garbage outside of drafting tbh.

[cd021]

I dont think we could take back salary if Gay is going into the TE.

I realized he has been mentioned but GS has also said they dont want to do it unless the player is exceptional. I dont think he is exceptional.

Who else are we competing against for the #2. Everything I have seen has mentioned that teams have turned them down when wanting to include wiggins. I would not do it if we had to give up 11. #2 is no sure thing this year. #11 is not much worse then#2 this year and has a cheaper salary.

-I'm pretty sure that they can. Gay isn't exceptional but he's a better fit for them than Aldridge. They could use a versatile off-the-bench scorer. If they include Looney in a trade, then it would limit their financial hit while giving them a front court upgrade.


-Again, I haven't seen any reports of teams turning GSW down. Just yesterday a report came out about the Knicks, Bulls and Pistons wanting to trade up to number 2. Add in Boston and Philly and that's 5 other teams trying to move up into the top 6.

That creates a bidding war, which is good for GSW. The Spurs are clearly looking to move up because they've identified a player that they really like. They would have to give up number 11 and likely either Aldridge or DeRozan, otherwise, what would they be willing to offer to try and move up into the top 3?

[cd021]

If anyone trades for Horford, especially giving them a better player, will be compensated with multiple picks.

Agreed. At least two firsts, I would think. Certainly wouldn't be the best deal for Aldridge though.

Maybe Aldridge for Horford and their 2020 21st pick (Philly would select on behalf of the Spurs before the trade is official) and then their 2021 first (or their 2021 and 2023 first round picks).

Horford is technically only under contract for two more seasons. His third year is partially guaranteed for $14.5 million which could be waived and stretched over three years.

[R. DeMurre]

Man, this short off season has been dramatic-- I can't wait to see what happens in the next week. One thing I'm thinking about is that Golden State had 67 and 73 win seasons with Harrison Barnes as a starter. Of course, they don't have a prime Iguodala to play the Manu role anymore, but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team, then deciding whether or not to keep or trade him during the season. The Houston small ball experiment worked reasonably well this year, and Steph & Klay are significantly better shooters than Harden, Gordon, Westbrook, Covington, etc... I think one thing people often forget is that Harden has never been an elite 3 pt shooter-- he's a high volume average 3 pt shooter. Harden has never hit the 40% mark for a season, while both Steph & Klay have never shot below 40% for a full season. The small ball formula actually suits Golden State better than it did Houston. Maybe they take Wiseman, swallow the huge payroll for one (or part of one) year, and then deal with it next season, when covid is hopefully contained and their new arena can be packed and generating money again.

[TD 21]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2917463-2020-nba-draft-sources-say-lamelo-ball-wont-slide-past-7-warriors-trade-buzz

[Degoat]

Man, this short off season has been dramatic-- I can't wait to see what happens in the next week. One thing I'm thinking about is that Golden State had 67 and 73 win seasons with Harrison Barnes as a starter. Of course, they don't have a prime Iguodala to play the Manu role anymore, but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team, then deciding whether or not to keep or trade him during the season. The Houston small ball experiment worked reasonably well this year, and Steph & Klay are significantly better shooters than Harden, Gordon, Westbrook, Covington, etc... I think one thing people often forget is that Harden has never been an elite 3 pt shooter-- he's a high volume average 3 pt shooter. Harden has never hit the 40% mark for a season, while both Steph & Klay have never shot below 40% for a full season. The small ball formula actually suits Golden State better than it did Houston. Maybe they take Wiseman, swallow the huge payroll for one (or part of one) year, and then deal with it next season, when covid is hopefully contained and their new arena can be packed and generating money again.

Well stated, there’s gonna be tons of movement around the draft but unless the warriors get a deal that blows them away I think there’s no way they trade the #2 pick

[exstatic]

Man, this short off season has been dramatic-- I can't wait to see what happens in the next week. One thing I'm thinking about is that Golden State had 67 and 73 win seasons with Harrison Barnes as a starter. Of course, they don't have a prime Iguodala to play the Manu role anymore, but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning team, then deciding whether or not to keep or trade him during the season. The Houston small ball experiment worked reasonably well this year, and Steph & Klay are significantly better shooters than Harden, Gordon, Westbrook, Covington, etc... I think one thing people often forget is that Harden has never been an elite 3 pt shooter-- he's a high volume average 3 pt shooter. Harden has never hit the 40% mark for a season, while both Steph & Klay have never shot below 40% for a full season. The small ball formula actually suits Golden State better than it did Houston. Maybe they take Wiseman, swallow the huge payroll for one (or part of one) year, and then deal with it next season, when covid is hopefully contained and their new arena can be packed and generating money again.

They have only one chip to play to get rid of Wiggins, #2. The league knows what he is, and that isn’t going to change. If they pick at #2, and go into the season with Wiggins, the other 29 teams would be fine sticking GS with that contract.

[r0drig0lac]

but I can still see them running with Wiggins, and building up his image around the league as a player on a winning teamso do you believe that he will be seen as a good player and not that he is playing well for having Klay / Curry and Dray on his team? I don't really see it working that way, to be worth his contract he would have to play as the best warrior for an full season.

[Mugen]

Pretty damn nervous when this FO is involved in this much trade chatter tbh. I have zero faith in them to make a competent trade. RC/Pop's #1 priority is probably making sure the opposing GM still likes them afterwards :lol

[R. DeMurre]

so do you believe that he will be seen as a good player and not that he is playing well for having Klay / Curry and Dray on his team? I don't really see it working that way, to be worth his contract he would have to play as the best warrior for an full season.

I don't, but a team like the Knicks or Charlotte might. Look at the contract Barnes got from Dallas, which they regretted almost immediately.

[R. DeMurre]

I mean, hell-- the Knicks are reportedly interested in Westbrook now. Who can predict what terrible moves they'll make in the future, with the narrative of "Wiggins has finally matured and reached his potential" floating around.

[cd021]

Minnesota rumored to take Ball, GSW still seems like they're going to trade their pick and it sounds like Charlotte will take a run at Westbrook, which would include the 3rd pick (and possibly Graham and Batum).

Wiseman could still be available at two, maybe Deni drops a couple of spots too.

[EasyMoney]

Pretty damn nervous when this FO is involved in this much trade chatter tbh. I have zero faith in them to make a competent trade. RC/Pop's #1 priority is probably making sure the opposing GM still likes them afterwards :lol


You must wake up every morning with piss in your coffee because every time I see you post its something negative. My goodness.

[Mugen]

You must wake up every morning with piss in your coffee because every time I see you post its something negative. My goodness.

Hand me your cup, sweetie.

[look_at_g_shred]

1326949066941427712

[R. DeMurre]

so do you believe that he will be seen as a good player and not that he is playing well for having Klay / Curry and Dray on his team? I don't really see it working that way, to be worth his contract he would have to play as the best warrior for an full season.


I don't, but a team like the Knicks or Charlotte might. Look at the contract Barnes got from Dallas, which they regretted almost immediately.


I mean, hell-- the Knicks are reportedly interested in Westbrook now. Who can predict what terrible moves they'll make in the future, with the narrative of "Wiggins has finally matured and reached his potential" floating around.


:lol I just checked Hoopshype, and the most recent rumor is Charlotte has interest in Westbrook.

[SpurSpike]

1326949066941427712

Wow Spurs are actually doing what makes sense. Shopping their valuable pieces on the last year of their contracts, including Mills.

I wouldn't give up DeRozan for Kuzma and Green though. Would need a better package because I think DDR plays well with our youth.

[NASpurs]

1326949066941427712

It’s fappening!!!

[Ron Swanson]

Let’s go MFers!

[RC_Drunkford]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1326952370048266241?s=20https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1326952370048266241?s=20

I got 2 questions here:

1. Why would Philly trade Richardson for Mills when Richardson is younger, cheaper and the better player? Not that I would mind to do the deal, it just doesn't make sense for Philly

2. Why would we want more SGs?

[NASpurs]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1326952370048266241?s=20https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1326952370048266241?s=20

I got 2 questions here:

1. Why would Philly trade Richardson for Mills when Richardson is younger, cheaper and the better player? Not that I would mind to do the deal, it just doesn't make sense for Philly

2. Why would we want more SGs?

My way of thinking it is this: adding one more guard diminishes the return of Bryn Forbes.

[Degoat]

Maybe spurs are sending them pick 41 as well? 76ers desperately need a pg that can shoot, plus y’all gonna laugh but they need some guys that bring a positive culture to the team lol

[JuneJive]

Getting Richardson for Mills would be huge.

[Mugen]

My way of thinking it is this: adding one more guard diminishes the return of Bryn Forbes.

Bryn is getting moved to Center.

[RC_Drunkford]

My way of thinking it is this: adding one more guard diminishes the return of Bryn Forbes.

I'm thinking the same way. Getting rid of the 3 musketeers Mills, Forbes and Belinelli in one offseason would already improve the team by miles


Maybe spurs are sending them pick 41 as well? 76ers desperately need a pg that can shoot, plus y’all gonna laugh but they need some guys that bring a positive culture to the team lol

true, they are saying Mills might be a better fit as a PG. I doubt that but if Philly wants to do the deal I'm all for it

[mo7888]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1326952370048266241?s=20https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1326952370048266241?s=20

I got 2 questions here:

1. Why would Philly trade Richardson for Mills when Richardson is younger, cheaper and the better player? Not that I would mind to do the deal, it just doesn't make sense for Philly

2. Why would we want more SGs?

I think its because Mills has the one elite skill set that Morey values most...3pt shooting.... he'd fit great next to Simmons or Harden (of Philly acquires him).

[Kurik]

Love Mills but I like the swap for Josh Richardson if it happens. Not an amazing trade but solid especially if we are sending other players out.

[Dverde]

If Mills is traded, Forbes is definitely coming back.

[Sugus]

If Mills is traded, Forbes is definitely coming back.

Yeah, that's the catch. Pop won't let go of every single pet of his, all at once. Plus, no matter how hated 50 Mill$ is on this forum, he's a much more solid player at his role than Forbes is at his; he also is a great glue and energy guy, good locker room presence, good vet, and could end up transitioning to coaching after he's done playing. I wouldn't mind the Spurs dealing him if the package is worth it, but now that the rumors are there, I'm having second feelings about this...

[spurspl]

maybe this mills-richardson rumor isnt just a swap but a part of a bigger deal which includes lma, horford, picks etc?

[K...]

Forbes has never been a problem, he's dirt cheap with known skills. Forbes starting guard and major minute hog was what sucks. Until we get Kyle Anderson back, forbes is our default glue guy.

[Seventyniner]

Forbes has never been a problem, he's dirt cheap with known skills. Forbes starting guard and major minute hog was what sucks. Until we get Kyle Anderson back, forbes is our default glue guy.

Yup. Having Forbes on the roster for cheap doesn't sink the team. Starting him does. imo he's okay for 10-12 minutes as the 10th man.

[talkspurs]

I dont know if I like the trade. This Richardson is the better player and younger but Mills does bring the team together. If this was last year I might be more for this but it will be nice to get rid of his salary and I dont want forbes resigned. We also have enough guards and while Richardson is not old (27) he would be on the leading edge of this team. If we get some decent picks back for it then I would be more willing. Also would probably want to keep Rudy if Mills is traded.

Philly is after him because they need shooters and he also plays a position they need.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Yup. Having Forbes on the roster for cheap doesn't sink the team. Starting him does. imo he's okay for 10-12 minutes as the 10th man.

For $4-$5 million/ year for 2 years. Maybe a team option on year 2.

[Mugen]

:lol Forbes on a Pop coached is absolutely a problem. I don't care if he was giving the Spurs 10mil a year to play, I still wouldn't want him anywhere near the franchise.

[Dverde]

Spurs could bring Gary Neal to suck at defense and spit out bricks for less money. Although I think Forbes has better stats guarding shoeless players.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

GS is looking to match up with the Lakers bigs. When you're in championship contention you're thinking about who you have to beat to win the title and what pieces you need to add to get there. LMA would be a decent counter to AD. Not sure the Warriors could do better. And even if they give up a couple of draft picks including #2 to get the deal done, with the rest of their lineup they'd probably be too much for LA. I'd pencil the Warriors in as the clear favorite to win it all if they got Aldridge.

That's why I think this rumor has teeth. Will it happen? I suppose it will depend on how much the Warriors want Aldridge. I think that drives this deal more than the Spurs wanting the #2 pick.

[gospursgojas]

...Not to mention LA historically has had success against Davis. This should be too selling point.

[Dejounte]

LMA has always schooled AD in every matchup. I see the appeal.

[KobesAchilles]

LMA shooting 3's has to open him up to a buncha different markets. He's relatively cheap and you know that he will always be available and give you good production. With Draymond falling off a cliff, the Warriors would be stupid to not trade for LMA.

I like Josh Richardson, but I don't really see the fit here. Maybe he will have a bounce back year and he is a streaky shooter. But he would make a lot more sense if we drafted someone like Kira Lewis bc Richardson can't really create for himself and he can't create for others. So drafting a player that can do both would be a nice fit on the team... Assuming we trade DDR. If not then we don't need Lewis

[RC_Drunkford]

Yup. Having Forbes on the roster for cheap doesn't sink the team. Starting him does. imo he's okay for 10-12 minutes as the 10th man.

Having Forbes on the roster does sink the team cause Pop would overplay him no matter what

[daslicer]

GS is looking to match up with the Lakers bigs. When you're in championship contention you're thinking about who you have to beat to win the title and what pieces you need to add to get there. LMA would be a decent counter to AD. Not sure the Warriors could do better. And even if they give up a couple of draft picks including #2 to get the deal done, with the rest of their lineup they'd probably be too much for LA. I'd pencil the Warriors in as the clear favorite to win it all if they got Aldridge.

That's why I think this rumor has teeth. Will it happen? I suppose it will depend on how much the Warriors want Aldridge. I think that drives this deal more than the Spurs wanting the #2 pick.

They will also have to face the Nuggets with Jokic. LMA has matched up pretty well with Jokic in the past.

[Uriel]

C: Wiseman
PF: DeRozan
SF: Walker
SG: White
PG: Murray
Sixth Man: Wiggins

:lobt2:

[look_at_g_shred]

C: Wiseman
PF: DeRozan
SF: Johson
SG: Walker
PG: White
Sixth Man: Wiggins

:lobt2:
FIFY

[TD 21]

Minnesota rumored to take Ball, GSW still seems like they're going to trade their pick and it sounds like Charlotte will take a run at Westbrook, which would include the 3rd pick (and possibly Graham and Batum).

Wiseman could still be available at two, maybe Deni drops a couple of spots too.

No chance 3 would be involved in a Westbrook trade. My sense would be Rozier/1 of Batum, Zeller or Monk for Westbrook/possibly House.

[objective]

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

[Mugen]

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

Seriously. The Warriors are looking at b2b titles with LMA. I honestly can't think of a better big name fit for that team that's available.

[NASpurs]

It’ll be hilarious to send LMA to GSW to fuck the Lakers over but on the other hand, it’ll be hilarious to send DeRozan to the Lakers to fuck the Clippers over. In the end of the day, our current makeup of our team is middle of the road and I just want them to improve for the future so I don’t care who wins the next few championships.

[Dejounte]

It’ll be hilarious to send LMA to GSW to fuck the Lakers over but on the other hand, it’ll be hilarious to send DeRozan to the Lakers to fuck the Clippers over. In the end of the day, our current makeup of our team is middle of the road and I just want them to improve for the future so I don’t care who wins the next few championships.

Yup, this is how I think their line of thinking is right now.

[Dejounte]

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

And if we get Wiseman, who could be the next Spurs cornerstone? "I can't believe they were able to find another legend! Why can't the Spurs go away? They had their 20 years of success already? Why do they get another 20?"

[Sugus]

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

This is on point, and why it makes me angry to think that Spurs could get low-balled in this deal. GSW needs someone like LMA much more than the Spurs need #2, which they can always tank for, not to mention they'd be dumping Wiggins along the way. I wouldn't include #11 on the deal and I hope the Spurs don't either.

[TD 21]

This is on point, and why it makes me angry to think that Spurs could get low-balled in this deal. GSW needs someone like LMA much more than the Spurs need #2, which they can always tank for, not to mention they'd be dumping Wiggins along the way. I wouldn't include #11 on the deal and I hope the Spurs don't either.

Theoretically. In reality, do they have the stomach for it? Small markets that are used to winning and governed by old school values are typically adverse.

[Sugus]

Theoretically. In reality, do they have the stomach for it? Small markets that are used to winning and governed by old school values are typically adverse.

Well, yes, theoretically - that's the point, and all we need, since we're talking bargaining and negotiation. Do the Spurs want to tank out a season for a #2 pick? Probably not. But they realistically could, and the Spurs would be very wise to get that point across when talking to GSW. Can the Warriors afford to wait out the trade period for better offers than LMA, strike out in FA, then come into the season with a gaping hole at C and no realistic way to get over LA? No, they can't, and the Spurs should also get that point across.

Point stands, I wouldn't include #11 unless it's an absolute deal maker/breaker if it's not there. Hope this new GM we got knows his ways around bargaining... We're about to find out I guess.

[mo7888]

Well, yes, theoretically - that's the point, and all we need, since we're talking bargaining and negotiation. Do the Spurs want to tank out a season for a #2 pick? Probably not. But they realistically could, and the Spurs would be very wise to get that point across when talking to GSW. Can the Warriors afford to wait out the trade period for better offers than LMA, strike out in FA, then come into the season with a gaping hole at C and no realistic way to get over LA? No, they can't, and the Spurs should also get that point across.

Point stands, I wouldn't include #11 unless it's an absolute deal maker/breaker if it's not there. Hope this new GM we got knows his ways around bargaining... We're about to find out I guess.

How much of these decisions are Wright's and how much is Pop and RC?

[Dejounte]

How much of these decisions are Wright's and how much is Pop and RC?

Pretty sure decision making is done collectively.

[mo7888]

Pretty sure decision making is done collectively.

That's what I think too... I figure things go through Wright but the actual decision is collective (meaning Pop and RC are the main ones).

[TD 21]

Well, yes, theoretically - that's the point, and all we need, since we're talking bargaining and negotiation. Do the Spurs want to tank out a season for a #2 pick? Probably not. But they realistically could, and the Spurs would be very wise to get that point across when talking to GSW. Can the Warriors afford to wait out the trade period for better offers than LMA, strike out in FA, then come into the season with a gaping hole at C and no realistic way to get over LA? No, they can't, and the Spurs should also get that point across.

Point stands, I wouldn't include #11 unless it's an absolute deal maker/breaker if it's not there. Hope this new GM we got knows his ways around bargaining... We're about to find out I guess.

The point is, the Warriors would know the Spurs are more than likely adverse and that this would be the apex of the value they could possibly hope to attain for Aldridge or DeRozan.

What's the Spurs alternative for Aldridge? Horford, 21, 34 (3-way)? Olynyk and 20? Ariza, Hood, lottery protected future 1st? Or lose him for nothing next off season.

Sure, the Warriors can either wait or make a different trade.

I don't buy for a second that Wright would have the autonomy to make the final call on a trade of this magnitude. He'd likely do the legwork.

[Chinook]

Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

[cd021]

No chance 3 would be involved in a Westbrook trade. My sense would be Rozier/1 of Batum, Zeller or Monk for Westbrook/possibly House.

I seriously doubt the Rockets would do a deal without the number 3 pick.

[TD 21]

Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

If they wanted someone from the second tier, they wouldn't go through the trouble of trying to trade up to the first tier, where they'd have to take on an albatross.

By the way, Kuzma is more like a poor man's version of prime Gay or Harris.



I seriously doubt the Rockets would do a deal without the number 3 pick.

Bridges might be the inflection point.

If the Rockets decide to placate Westbrook, good luck doing better than what I mentioned (as unappealing as that sounds).

[Seventyniner]

Again, GS doesn't have leverage over SA unless SA wants Wiseman, Edwards or Ball. If they want Toppin, Avdija, Okongwu or Haliburton, then they have teams like ATL and DET who seem much more willing to just take a contract and not ask SA to eat terrible money. For that same reason, a lot of teams aren't going to be willing to meet GS demands, which causes the market around 2 to fall, leading to GS either taking a lesser deal or just keeping their pick. For a lot of teams, the Warriors taking the ball and going home isn't some doomsday scenario though.

What is your personal threshold for accepting a deal with GS centered around LMA for Wiggins? Is LMA for Wiggins + #2 + MIN 2021 1st even good enough for you? It would be for me, but I haven't put as much thought into it as you have.

That might sound like too much for GS to give up, but if they are the motivated party, both because LMA helps them win now and dumping Wiggins greatly reduces future tax payments, they might be willing to pony up. Especially if they don't get palatable offers from other teams.

[daslicer]

Aldridge is being vastly underrated by the world at large, and Golden State would be lucky to get him for #2 and Wiggins.

He's been an effective scorer in the Spurs offense.

Imagine how much better looks he'll get when it's Curry and Thompson bending defenses with their gravity instead of Murray and Forbes? How much easier will he have things when Draymond is at PF instead of Lyles?

He'll never face a double when he does get posted. He'll be open on his mid range and threes. He still rebounds and protects the rim. And in the GS system when he works hard and gets advantage position early, he'll be rewarded instead of waiting for Murray to develop into a point guard.

I'm reminded of when nobody, fans and teams included, wanted to give up anything for Kawhi, only a top 3 player in the league. Because they talked themselves into nonsense, either Kawhi couldn't play anymore instead of being a quitter, or being a system player, whatever.

If Golden State gets him, everyone will be singing a different tune when GS is wrecking the league. "I can't believe they were able to get Aldridge, the rich get richer, this is bullshit!"

I call it the Pop factor why Aldridge is underrated. It's the same reason why Duncan's legacy and Kawhi was underrated. A lot of these casual dumbasses think the Spurs only win because of Pop's "great coaching" and that you could insert any player in the system and it will still work. They don't understand how bad the Spurs have been the last few years and how Aldridge literally carried the team from '17-'19 and how without him carrying the team they would have been a lottery squad.

If Aldridge goes to the Warriors I think he will finally get the respect he deserves in which people will then see how great of a player he is. Even though he won't be the best player on the Warriors it will still cause casuals to remark how good he is since he will make the Warriors invincible. You will see Lebron stans scream "If it wasn't for the Aldridge trade Lebron would have 6 rings." I'm convinced Warriors will go back to back with Aldridge.

[RC_Drunkford]

I call it the Pop factor why Aldridge is underrated. It's the same reason why Duncan's legacy and Kawhi was underrated. A lot of these casual dumbasses think the Spurs only win because Pop's "great coaching" and that you could insert any player in the system and it will still work. They don't understand how bad the Spurs have been the last few years and how Aldridge literally carried the team from '17-'19 and ow without him carrying the team they would have been a lottery squad.

If Aldridge goes to the Warriors I think he will finally get the respect he deserves in which people will then see how great of player he is. Even though he won't be the best player on the Warriors it will still cause casuals to remark how good he is since he will make the Warriors in invincible. You will see Lebron stans scream "If it wasn't for the Aldridge trade Lebron would have 6 rings." I'm convinced Warriors will go back to back with Aldridge.

Aldridge would be a monster on the Dubs

[daslicer]

And if we get Wiseman, who could be the next Spurs cornerstone? "I can't believe they were able to find another legend! Why can't the Spurs go away? They had their 20 years of success already? Why do they get another 20?"

It could work both ways in the sense the Warriors win 2-3 more championships with Aldridge and the spurs develop Wiseman into an eventual superstar. I could see a scenario where people will say "Wow this is great trade that worked out equally for both teams involved. The Warriors got to win a few more titles and extend their dynasty while the Spurs got their next superstar post Kawhi"

[daslicer]

Aldridge would be a monster on the Dubs

I think he would give them a championship reboot like Rodman did for the bulls during the second three peat.

[Chinook]

What is your personal threshold for accepting a deal with GS centered around LMA for Wiggins? Is LMA for Wiggins + #2 + MIN 2021 1st even good enough for you? It would be for me, but I haven't put as much thought into it as you have.

That might sound like too much for GS to give up, but if they are the motivated party, both because LMA helps them win now and dumping Wiggins greatly reduces future tax payments, they might be willing to pony up. Especially if they don't get palatable offers from other teams.

I think for the right player, Wiggins and 2 for LMA and 11 makes enough sense to do. I'd probably be okay with adding in the Minny pick for just a meh player if they had a way to get off some of DeRozan's money. I actually like the bigger Wiggins and Green for Aldridge and DeRozan framework for them, though I'd probably need 2 and the Minny pick and to find a taker for Mills/Gay that saved the Spurs considerable money. I think it puts the Warriors in a much better short- and long-term position and it gets the Spurs a long-term need at the four. However, as I said, I'd like to see Green moved while he still has value to help the team avoid the tax long term. Only issue is that if Green has value, then GS might not want to pay enough to move him for it to make sense to SA. I'm not deal with GS unless 2 is on the table.

[Chinook]

If they wanted someone from the second tier, they wouldn't go through the trouble of trying to trade up to the first tier, where they'd have to take on an albatross.

By the way, Kuzma is more like a poor man's version of prime Gay or Harris.

That's sort of the point I'm making. There's no indication that SA wants anyone from the first tier. Of course they might, but when talking about leverage, GS actually has to have something SA wants, not just something that is usually objectively valuable.

[TD 21]

That's sort of the point I'm making. There's no indication that SA wants anyone from the first tier. Of course they might, but when talking about leverage, GS actually has to have something SA wants, not just something that is usually objectively valuable.

Well obviously this would be based on the premise that they do.

[B1gduff]

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

[Chinook]

Well obviously this would be based on the premise that they do.

But you can't lock that in that but also ignore that GS has to want to deal Wiggins and/or 2 in the first place to engage in a trade.

It's basically saying "In a scenario where the Spurs have no leverage, the Warriors have all the leverage." I think we can all agree on that, but that's not the framework we should assume based on the information we've been given so far.

[spurspl]

can spurs use lakers intrests in ddr to avoid including #11 to LMA trade?

GSW: LMA , kuz
LAL: DDR
SAS: Wiggins, green, #2, #28

[TD 21]

But you can't lock that in that but also ignore that GS has to want to deal Wiggins and/or 2 in the first place to engage in a trade.

It's basically saying "In a scenario where the Spurs have no leverage, the Warriors have all the leverage." I think we can all agree on that, but that's not the framework we should assume based on the information we've been given so far.

I'm saying, all of us discussing this ad nauseam is based on both of those premises being true.

Although, I wouldn't say "want to deal 2" so much as in an ideal world they'd make a similar trade that we're discussing but Aldridge would be late 20s/early 30s. That he's not is probably what prevents it from happening.

[EasyMoney]

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

Like hell. If they wanted harris they would have traded for him during the whole kawhi debacle.

[R. DeMurre]

some one mentioned that the spurs and 76ers are talking about a trade centered around DD and Harris. .

https://twitter.com/vinfosh/status/1326979535246675968

That guy-- Vin Fosh-- has no credibility. He claims he broke the Anthony Davis trade and the Kamala Harris as VP story... and the rest of his twitter feed is almost all nonsense.

[Dhbsr555]

If spurs traded Derrick white for a bum and 2 second round picks there completely idiots .. if redrafted white is a top 10-15 pick

[gambit1990]

i'm ready.

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[Prime BEEF]

i'm ready.

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I like this trade

[Thomas82]

GS is looking to match up with the Lakers bigs. When you're in championship contention you're thinking about who you have to beat to win the title and what pieces you need to add to get there. LMA would be a decent counter to AD. Not sure the Warriors could do better. And even if they give up a couple of draft picks including #2 to get the deal done, with the rest of their lineup they'd probably be too much for LA. I'd pencil the Warriors in as the clear favorite to win it all if they got Aldridge.

That's why I think this rumor has teeth. Will it happen? I suppose it will depend on how much the Warriors want Aldridge. I think that drives this deal more than the Spurs wanting the #2 pick.

The more I keep hearing about this rumor, the more I believe it'll actually happen.

[Thomas82]

C: Wiseman
PF: DeRozan
SF: Walker
SG: White
PG: Murray
Sixth Man: Wiggins

:lobt2:

I would prefer to find a way to get Jalen Smith and have him as our PF.......I'm just saying.

[99 Problems]

The window for Golden Fake is just that a fleeting window. LMA would work for them right this moment while Stef & Klay still around as they won’t be there for ever. There’s probably worse places he could finish his days tbh. Would make the west a hell of a battle if Clips don’t decide to s#*t the bed again thb.

[Thomas82]

It could work both ways in the sense the Warriors win 2-3 more championships with Aldridge and the spurs develop Wiseman into an eventual superstar. I could see a scenario where people will say "Wow this is great trade that worked out equally for both teams involved. The Warriors got to win a few more titles and extend their dynasty while the Spurs got their next superstar post Kawhi"

This is exactly why I want the trade to happen.

[Dverde]

This deal works. Golden State and Spurs swap #2 and #11

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[offset formation]

i'm ready.

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I appreciate the balls of it but....yuck.

[Chinook]

Philly MIGHT swap Harris for Wiggins, but they aren't going to swap Horford and deal with a much worse player on a worse deal. Basically take Richardson out or add Gay and replace Al with Toby, and I think it works for Philly. Dunno if it'd work for SA, but I also don't think they'd value Richardson too highly if they don't have other win-now players on their roster. I doubt they're looking at Josh as a max player, (since they really should not) and that's basically what they'd have to see in him to guarantee that they'd be able to keep him.

[Dhbsr555]

I don’t want horford he’s worse than Aldridge the idea is to get younger build toward the future

[poopbox]

Under no circumstances does this team need to add all Hortford in any type of deal... he is only a year younger than LMA...and the main reason why LMA is even in trade talks is because he is to old to play with our current young players...

[Dhbsr555]

What do y’all think about trading dd and mills for Boston 3 first round picks

[rankingtear]

What do y’all think about trading dd and mills for Boston 3 first round picks

The trade machine says it does not work.

[gambit1990]

I appreciate the balls of it but....yuck.

it'd be really cool tbh... bev, PG, montrezl, looney... + white, lonnie, keldon... + #2 pick :hungry:

you avoid tanking to get a high pick... and you get an all star in PG.

it'd be a real young defensive team.

[NASpurs]

Thank God for the bubble. Seems like it worked to get PATFO at least “active” when they seem dormant most of the time. When a key piece like Bryn Forbes sat it out, it had to make you wonder if something was up.

[cd021]

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

[cjw]

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

[exstatic]

This is on point, and why it makes me angry to think that Spurs could get low-balled in this deal. GSW needs someone like LMA much more than the Spurs need #2, which they can always tank for, not to mention they'd be dumping Wiggins along the way. I wouldn't include #11 on the deal and I hope the Spurs don't either.

GS will be able to keep LMA if they ring. We will not. He’s already said he wants to return to Portland to finish, and if not traded, that means next summer. He walks for nothing, or a shitty S&T for ending contracts. Tanking also hasn’t proven to be a good strategy, since the NBA flattened the odds the last two drafts. Of the eight total draw spots, four per draft, five teams from outside the top four have jumped in. Even teams outside the top four are getting fucked, like NY getting knocked back from 6 to 8 this year. Do you know how to avoid that? You sign a top FA five years ago, get 4 AS seasons and two All NBA seasons out of him, and have a team offer you #2 for him at the age of 35. That’s how you do it.

[rankingtear]

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

Good point.

[exstatic]

Maybe the Spurs could do a three team deal with Golden State and The Lakers:

Spurs Get: #2 pick, Wiggins, Kuzma

Lakers Get: DeMar DeRozan

Golden State Gets: Aldridge and Danny Green and the 28th pick.

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

[Kurgan]

Every off-season since the Kawhi trade should tell you that the Spurs front office is horrible at anything that doesn't involve drafting. Spurs fans are going to be mad or underwhelmed when Wright ends up making another bad trade. Go in with low expectations and you won't be disappointed next Wednesday.

[Chinook]

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

They don't have to.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Every off-season since the Kawhi trade should tell you that the Spurs front office is horrible at anything that doesn't involve drafting. Spurs fans are going to be mad or underwhelmed when Wright ends up making another bad trade. Go in with low expectations and you won't be disappointed next Wednesday.

When players do not honor the commitments they make and there are no repercussions on the player it is difficult to hold the FO accountable for that. Hell, Klutch fired Morris as a client after he reneged. So would you have forgone the chance to sign Morris who appeared to be exactly what we needed? They were doing business just like every other team in the NBA. It is unfortunate for the Spurs that they were dealing with 2 such low-character individuals in the past 2 years. Obviously they trade Bertans for nothing. Even the Carroll deal was originally only 2 years with a 2nd year partial if I recall correctly. They had sign him under the MLE once the Morris signing was thought to be a done deal which requires a minimum of a 3 year contract.

[Kurgan]

When players do not honor the commitments they make and there are no repercussions on the player it is difficult to hold the FO accountable for that. Hell, Klutch fired Morris as a client after he reneged. So would you have forgone the chance to sign Morris who appeared to be exactly what we needed? They were doing business just like every other team in the NBA. It is unfortunate for the Spurs that they were dealing with 2 such low-character individuals in the past 2 years. Obviously they trade Bertans for nothing. Even the Carroll deal was originally only 2 years with a 2nd year partial if I recall correctly. They had sign him under the MLE once the Morris signing was thought to be a done deal which requires a minimum of a 3 year contract.

They undervalued Bertans and overvalued Carroll. That's on the front office. Anybody that watched Carroll on the Nets in 2019 knew he was a questionable pickup.

Also, if the Spurs are frequently getting burned by low-character individuals that says something's wrong with the FO.

[Sugus]

The point is, the Warriors would know the Spurs are more than likely adverse and that this would be the apex of the value they could possibly hope to attain for Aldridge or DeRozan.

What's the Spurs alternative for Aldridge? Horford, 21, 34 (3-way)? Olynyk and 20? Ariza, Hood, lottery protected future 1st? Or lose him for nothing next off season.

Sure, the Warriors can either wait or make a different trade.

I don't buy for a second that Wright would have the autonomy to make the final call on a trade of this magnitude. He'd likely do the legwork.

You're right on Wright. At the end of the day, no trade is getting done without Pop and RC's stamp of approval.

But I don't buy the GS high ground. Spurs have other options, as you mentioned (whether they're better or worse is TBD, the fact is that they do) and should come into the bargaining table explicitly mentioning it. Warriors on the other hand, reportedly have failed to garner interest from other teams on #2 since they directly want Wiggins attached to said pick, and little teams have the cap flexibility to take him on. Warriors would be in a very dire financial situation if they ended up keeping both Wigs and #2, and every piece of their championship core. Spurs have leverage here, IF it's true as reported that Warriors are whiffing out on other trade partners.

But, to be real, this is all fan-side optics. At the end of the day, this is what I'd hope the Spurs would be saying at the table with GS's GM. It's yet to be seen how good of a trader this new GM is (in conjunction with RC & Pop), so I don't want to get my hopes too far up, tbh.

[buttsR4rebounding]

They undervalued Bertans and overvalued Carroll. That's on the front office. Anybody that watched Carroll on the Nets in 2019 knew he was a questionable pickup.

Also, if the Spurs are frequently getting burned by low-character individuals that says something's wrong with the FO.

No. They valued Morris over Bertans. And if they weren’t forced to use the MLE on Carrol and had made the original deal no one would be bitching. Ah, but then you wouldn’t be able to post.

[cd021]

No thanks. (1) You don’t trade the best two players and come back from it with an underperforming guy that just got maxed out, an up and down guy heading into the last year of his rookie deal, with only the #2 pick to show for it and (2) why are the Lakers and Warriors going to help each other out? Though guess Spurs could always reroute assets back to GS.

I don’t even think it works in the trade machine for either LAL or GSW.

The trade does work in trade machine. Spurs get the number 2 overall pick, and keep the 11th pick in a deal for two expiring contracts that aren't in their plans. That's what rebuilding teams do, they trade away their best players, and take on salary for picks.

Fair point that Golden State and LA might not want to deal with each other, then again. The Lakers are essentially trading 28, Kuzma and Green for DeRozan while Golden State receives Green and the 28th pick. Golden State getting Green improves their team while DeRozan improves the Lakers, they may just do it and take their chances.

[Sugus]

GS will be able to keep LMA if they ring. We will not. He’s already said he wants to return to Portland to finish, and if not traded, that means next summer. He walks for nothing, or a shitty S&T for ending contracts. Tanking also hasn’t proven to be a good strategy, since the NBA flattened the odds the last two drafts. Of the eight total draw spots, four per draft, five teams from outside the top four have jumped in. Even teams outside the top four are getting fucked, like NY getting knocked back from 6 to 8 this year. Do you know how to avoid that? You sign a top FA five years ago, get 4 AS seasons and two All NBA seasons out of him, and have a team offer you #2 for him at the age of 35. That’s how you do it.

For sure LMA would re-sign if they ring, it should be a strong point for Spurs negotiation. All I'm saying is, the Warriors need LMA much more than the Spurs need #2. Is tanking worse statistically now, with flattened odds? For sure. But when you're bargaining on a deal, you're not gonna have your bluff called like that, unless the other party wants no negotiation to happen. If GS tells RC/Wright "well, good luck tanking for another #2", we leave the table and they get no more rings, coming into the season with a gaping hole at C and no hopes of getting over the Lakers. That is our leverage (well, that and the fact that we're one of, if not the only team in the league that would willingly accommodate Wiggins in that deal).

As I said though, I'm still not sold on our new GM having the dealing prowess to win us this trade. We'll see soon enough, but I'm starting to get nervous about it.

[JuneJive]

They could deal LMA to Boston.

Fills their need and they have picks to burn.

[cd021]

GS and the LAL are not going to cooperate on a trade.

I see why they wouldn't, then again, they wouldn't be directly trading with one another. The Lakers would ship Kuzma, Green and 28th out with Green and the 28th being rerouted to GSW. Spurs ship DeRozan to the Lakers and GSW ships Wiggins and the #2 pick to the Spurs.

Both the Lakers and Warriors would get better in that trade while the Spurs get the number 2 pick, add Kuzma, and keep their own pick. There's reasons for all three teams to do that trade.

[cd021]

They could deal LMA to Boston.

Fills their need and they have picks to burn.

Sounds like their trying to trade up into the lottery so they can package it in a deal for Holiday.

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor

LaMarcus Aldridge -0.7 Offense, +0.8 Defense, +0.1 Net 2.5 WAR
Aldridge's value was on defense, and defense against Jokic and Davis is what the Warriors want.

Andrew Wiggins +0.5 Offense, -2.1 Defense, -1.5 Net, 1.2 WAR

2019 #2 Ja Morant +0.4 Offense, -1.5 Defense, -1.1 Net, 1.8 WAR

Offense and Defense are compared to NBA Average,
Wins above replacement is compared to the 391st best player in the NBA. 39 players were tied at 391 including Chimezie Metu.