Lowe: Someone in league texted me and said there's a little bit of buzz about 2 for 11 + Aldridge

[talkspurs]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor

LaMarcus Aldridge -0.7 Offense, +0.8 Defense, +0.1 Net 2.5 WAR
Aldridge's value was on defense, and defense against Jokic and Davis is what the Warriors want.

Andrew Wiggins +0.5 Offense, -2.1 Defense, -1.5 Net, 1.2 WAR

2019 #2 Ja Morant +0.4 Offense, -1.5 Defense, -1.1 Net, 1.8 WAR

Offense and Defense are compared to NBA Average,
Wins above replacement is compared to the 391st best player in the NBA. 39 players were tied at 391 including Chimezie Metu.

You might have been trying to do this but to me shows why GS should do the trade of LMA for Wiggins and #2. They would have a better net and not much change on the WAR. Morant was also considered a better player then Wisemman (really I think any in this draft). Morant will probably get better but GS does not have time to wait they need to win now and would not have time for a Rookie to get better.

[DesignatedT]

It's pretty clear at this point in their careers that both Aldridge and DeRozan aren't thrilled to be playing in San Antonio. Does anyone really get the vibe that these dudes are ecstatic to be here? Of course not. So I don't get the hesitation in "trading your two best players" when both are likely to leave in upcoming free agency with the Spurs getting nothing in return. If the Spurs can get the #2 overall pick for Aldridge I would do that in a heartbeat. Hopefully they can get a third team involved to take on Wiggins. DeRozan for Kuzma and Green doesn't seem like the best deal out there but I wouldn't hesitate to trade DeRozan for a younger player who's showed potential. Spurs need to deal both these guys ASAP and start the true re-build.

[talkspurs]

It's pretty clear at this point in their careers that both Aldridge and DeRozan aren't thrilled to be playing in San Antonio. Does anyone really get the vibe that these dudes are ecstatic to be here? Of course not. So I don't get the hesitation in "trading your two best players" when both are likely to leave in upcoming free agency with the Spurs getting nothing in return. If the Spurs can get the #2 overall pick for Aldridge I would do that in a heartbeat. Hopefully they can get a third team involved to take on Wiggins. DeRozan for Kuzma and Green doesn't seem like the best deal out there but I wouldn't hesitate to trade DeRozan for a younger player who's showed potential. Spurs need to deal both these guys ASAP and start the true re-build.


Because you dont just trade to trade. Sometimes it is better to let players walk for nothing then have bad contracts. IN your argument of trade to get soemthing for them it would be a good trade to do LMA and #11 for wiggins. He has a bad contract and we may be able to get better offers. I would not do that trade would not even do it for #2 if we threw in #11. I would only do #2 and Wiggins for LMA. I am interested in Wiggins but also know how bad his contract is.

[SpursDynasty85]

Because you dont just trade to trade. Sometimes it is better to let players walk for nothing then have bad contracts. IN your argument of trade to get soemthing for them it would be a good trade to do LMA and #11 for wiggins. He has a bad contract and we may be able to get better offers. I would not do that trade would not even do it for #2 if we threw in #11. I would only do #2 and Wiggins for LMA. I am interested in Wiggins but also know how bad his contract is.

For Spurs that strategy does not work well. Talented NBA players just do not sign with the Spurs for the most part. Taking a bad contract that last for 2-4 years is equally sometimes the only way Spurs can bring a high talent-level. If they can pay the money, why would the Spurs fans care as long as the product on the floor is better. Championships are mainly won by team-owners forking over the money. Spurs can't always find a TP/Manu/TD in the draft anymore.

[talkspurs]

For Spurs that strategy does not work well. Talented NBA players just do not sign with the Spurs for the most part. Taking a bad contract that last for 2-4 years is equally sometimes the only way Spurs can bring a high talent-level. If they can pay the money, why would the Spurs fans care as long as the product on the floor is better. Championships are mainly won by team-owners forking over the money. Spurs can't always find a TP/Manu/TD in the draft anymore.

Aldridge could get more in demand as we get closer to the trade deadline (teams wanting to win and think they have a shot but need a big). Also having cap space can get you bad contracts in with picks on its own. If your getting fleeced in trade you dont make the trade. it would be better to have the cap space then the have a bad player. You dont just trade to say you made a trade.

[Realdeal1]

So are we doing Aldridge to Warriors for #2 pick???? ... I’m getting nervous with the Kevin Love to the Warriors talk

[Dverde]

So are we doing Aldridge to Warriors for #2 pick???? ... I’m getting nervous with the Kevin Love to the Warriors talk

I can’t see them picking Love over LMA. Golden State used to do drills about passing to the player Love guarded.

[SpursDynasty85]

I'm thinking deal is already in place. Just depends on what Timberwolves do draft night. Should they pick Wiseman for themselves or some other team, Spur's plans maybe in doodoo but hopefully they have solid backup plans.

[Dverde]

I'm thinking deal is already in place. Just depends on what Timberwolves do draft night. Should they pick Wiseman for themselves or some other team, Spur's plans maybe in doodoo but hopefully they have solid backup plans.

I imagine Spurs would do the deal for either Wiseman or Deni. GSW probably still sniffing around for a better deal.

[4lifecowboy]

I'm telling you guys Okongwu is the target. A defensive anchor.

[Dejounte]

I'm thinking deal is already in place. Just depends on what Timberwolves do draft night. Should they pick Wiseman for themselves or some other team, Spur's plans maybe in doodoo but hopefully they have solid backup plans.

Yeah, I think they have all kinds of contingencies. That's why they're looking at all sorts of similar players like Robert Woodard and Terry Armstrong (both identical). All the bigs like Isaiah, Jalen, Zeke, etc.

The Spurs have done their due diligence. I think they're crossing their fingers with us that things work out optimally during draft day.

[poopbox]

I'm telling you guys Okongwu is the target. A defensive anchor.

Would be pretty hilarious if the spurs did that deal with GS to move up to grab okongwu. He jumps off the screen defensively but you don't take a defensive big with the number 2 pick. At 2 it's really got to be Devi.

[SpurPadre]

If LMA goes to the Dubs and starts complaining about his touches, it will be interesting to see how that goes over if they hold onto Draymond.

[daslicer]

If LMA goes to the Dubs and starts complaining about his touches, it will be interesting to see how that goes over if they hold onto Draymond.

LMA is one of those strong silent types. I can see him punching out Draymond if Draymonds tries to come at him like he did to KD.

[daslicer]

I have heard a new rumor of Draymond Green for Kevin Love. It could impact the Spurs chances of trading LMA to the Warriors.

[K...]

If LMA goes to the Dubs and starts complaining about his touches, it will be interesting to see how that goes over if they hold onto Draymond.

my touches was 100% a kawhi fan invention. Kawhi, a known malcontent who has burned bridges with 2 franchises, and about to trade away his handpicked 2nd option to try and salvage his career. LMA has sulked a bit, but Curry is a rich man's Dame. He'll be fine

[Leetonidas]

I have heard a new rumor of Draymond Green for Kevin Love. It could impact the Spurs chances of trading LMA to the Warriors.

I heard that too. Which is dumb considering LMA is a much better player on a cheaper contract that isn't super soft and injury prone

[daslicer]

my touches was 100% a kawhi fan invention. Kawhi, a known malcontent who has burned bridges with 2 franchises, and about to trade away his handpicked 2nd option to try and salvage his career. LMA has sulked a bit, but Curry is a rich man's Dame. He'll be fine

Agreed the my touches crap is garbage. Most Spur fans don't realize 99 percent of stars are not built the way Duncan,Manu, Parker was which they can live with scoring less than 20 a game. Look at all the top stars like Curry,Durant, Lebron who will play in garbage time to pad their stats. Kawhi was also a black hole on offense and not willing to pass the ball to Lamarcus. No way a player like Lamarcus should be averaging only 16 a game like he was with Kawhi for those 2 years. Also blame Pop for lying to Lamarcus when he recruited him by promising him that his scoring would not go down in SA.

[daslicer]

I heard that too. Which is dumb considering LMA is a much better player on a cheaper contract that isn't super soft and injury prone

Agreed. Jokic and Davis will have a field day with Love. It doesn't make sense to me unless the Warriors also have plan to get a defensive center. I get the feeling the Cavs could be giving them both Drummond, and Love.

[4lifecowboy]

Hilarious? He is the best choice to fit with our young guns.

[Mugen]

How about a 3way trade with Love/LMA going to GSW, Wiggins to CLE, and Draymond to San Antonio?

[talkspurs]

Agreed. Jokic and Davis will have a field day with Love. It doesn't make sense to me unless the Warriors also have plan to get a defensive center. I get the feeling the Cavs could be giving them both Drummond, and Love.

That would be a ton of salary that would being sent out then to match. it would probably have to be wiggins and green going out.

[SpurPadre]

How about a 3way trade with Love/LMA going to GSW, Wiggins to CLE, and Draymond to San Antonio?

Pop would NEVER let a knucklehead like Draymond don a Spurs uniform.

[talkspurs]

Would not want dramond. Would much rather have wiggins.

[Mugen]

Pop would NEVER let a knucklehead like Draymond don a Spurs uniform.

Meh Draymond is a winning basketball player tbh, I'd take him any day of the week. Also Derozan literally has heavy ties with SoCal gangs and Pop slurps him off every chance he gets :lol

[spurspl]

How about a 3way trade with Love/LMA going to GSW, Wiggins to CLE, and Draymond to San Antonio?

but where will go the #2?

[K...]

Would not want dramond. Would much rather have wiggins.

Do you remember mr kyle anderson? The too afraid to shoot player? Pop loved that. Green would be ok.

[cool cat]

Do you remember mr kyle anderson? The too afraid to shoot player? Pop loved that. Green would be ok.
Diaw didn’t like to shoot as well.

[Chinook]

Agreed. Jokic and Davis will have a field day with Love. It doesn't make sense to me unless the Warriors also have plan to get a defensive center. I get the feeling the Cavs could be giving them both Drummond, and Love.

Drummond is an awful defensive center.

[SpurPadre]

Meh Draymond is a winning basketball player tbh, I'd take him any day of the week. Also Derozan literally has heavy ties with SoCal gangs and Pop slurps him off every chance he gets :lol

LMAO, DeRozan ain't a G. Real Gs think depression is pussy shit and he would've been murked the moment he said he cried in the parking lot of a fast food place. I mean, that's fucked up and all but that's how they roll. DeRozan may have known real Gs when he was growing up but he definitely isn't a real gangster nor does he bring drama on the court/locker, which is Pop's main concern. And Draymond is only a winner if he's matched with 3 HOFers in their prime. Guess what, we don't have 3 HOFers right now. So, all that's left for Draymond is to be a locker room cancer and a piece of shit.

[DavidTheGoliath]

LMAO, DeRozan ain't a G. Real Gs think depression is pussy shit and he would've been murked the moment he said he cried in the parking lot of a fast food place. I mean, that's fucked up and all but that's how they roll. DeRozan may have known real Gs when he was growing up but he definitely isn't a real gangster nor does he bring drama on the court/locker, which is Pop's main concern. And Draymond is only a winner if he's matched with 3 HOFers in their prime. Guess what, we don't have 3 HOFers right now. So, all that's left for Draymond is to be a locker room cancer and a piece of shit.

I hope raymond get traded to the clips :donkey

[exstatic]

How about a 3way trade with Love/LMA going to GSW, Wiggins to CLE, and Draymond to San Antonio?

Draymond has a player option for 2023-2024 for $27m. He’ll be 34. Just the thought of that makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

[Dhbsr555]

Green is spur material to many �� kicks for me

[Dejounte]

Draymond has a player option for 2023-2024 for $27m. He’ll be 34. Just the thought of that makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.

PJ Tucker is 35 right now and still one of the best defenders in the NBA. Draymond has at least five years of elite defense left.

Bruce Bowen came to the Spurs as a 30 year old.

[Dhbsr555]

If we’re gonna try to a make a run for fa in 21 we can’t take on that contract

[Thomas82]

I'm thinking deal is already in place. Just depends on what Timberwolves do draft night. Should they pick Wiseman for themselves or some other team, Spur's plans maybe in doodoo but hopefully they have solid backup plans.

I've been hearing more and more that the Timberwolves are leaning towards LaMelo Ball, whether they keep him or trade his rights to another team.

[R. DeMurre]

Golden State's definitely not afraid to be unconventional-- wouldn't surprise me if they attached Draymond to Wiggins in a deal to get back quality depth.

[Dverde]

Trading Green would be a Belichick type of move. Best days are behind him. Still I can’t see them doing it.

[Chillen]

I wouldn't be surprised if GSW are trying to get both LMA and Love. They know they need size to counter Lakers with Davis. The question is do Spurs still get #2. I would also rather have Wiggins than Draymond. Spurs won't trade LMA without getting #2 pick in return. Whoever gets Green he will demand a trade for sure, don't want him at all.

[exstatic]

PJ Tucker is 35 right now and still one of the best defenders in the NBA. Draymond has at least five years of elite defense left.

Bruce Bowen came to the Spurs as a 30 year old.
PJ tucker makes $8M. That’s a lot less than $27M. It’s bad to tie up lots of cap space in old players.

[cjw]

I don’t think the Warriors hate having Green (given fit), but as some have mentioned, they may try to turn his contract into a few depth players before it becomes an even worse contract. He was was underpaid, now is overpaid.

[JuneJive]

No way they trade Draymond.

Wtf ya'll smokin'?

[exstatic]

No way they trade Draymond.

Wtf ya'll smokin'?

Glorified role player who got exposed last year when he wasn’t being spoon fed easy shots by teammates attracting all the attention. He’s a fraud.

[JuneJive]

Glorified role player who got exposed last year when he wasn’t being spoon fed easy shots by teammates attracting all the attention. He’s a fraud.

Oh come on now.
You know he shines with Curry and Thompson around him. Last year isn't any kind of a relevant measure as he was clearly not motivated at all.

His defense is legit, as is his 4vs3 playmaking.

They are in win now mode. He is extremely important to their chances of winning.

That being sad, it's right that he functions at the highest level only in the Warriors environment.

[DPG21920]

For posterity:

My opinion of SA FO w/regards to FA/Trades is low at the moment. They’ve been below par lately.

However - they aren’t trading 2 valuable vets, lottery pick, young talent & taking on horrific contracts to move up 9 spots in a star devoid draft. So stop it. They aren’t THAT BAD

[CGD]

For posterity:

My opinion of SA FO w/regards to FA/Trades is low at the moment. They’ve been below par lately.

However - they aren’t trading 2 valuable vets, lottery pick, young talent & taking on horrific contracts to move up 9 spots in a star devoid draft. So stop it. They aren’t THAT BAD

Agree.

But I’m also trying to be tempered. I would consider this “offseason” a good one if this where the outcome:

OUT
Aldridge
DeRozen

IN
#2 pick
Future LAL 1st (later the better)
Kuzma
Green
Wiggins (barf)
(#11 stays with SAS)

[DPG21920]

Agree.

But I’m also trying to be tempered. I would consider this “offseason” a good one if this where the outcome:

OUT
Aldridge
DeRozen

IN
#2 pick
Future LAL 1st (later the better)
Kuzma
Green
Wiggins (barf)
(#11 stays with SAS)

Exactly. Might be 3rd team involved somewhere for Wiggins in which case totally fine giving up 11 for that

[SPURt]

1327694100603285504
In response to Wiggins trending on Twitter lol

[spurspl]

Agree.

But I’m also trying to be tempered. I would consider this “offseason” a good one if this where the outcome:

OUT
Aldridge
DeRozen

IN
#2 pick
Future LAL 1st (later the better)
Kuzma
Green
Wiggins (barf)
(#11 stays with SAS)


that would be a great offseason moves tbh. but im afraid that GSW will be more leaning toward to trade with CLE

[Twisted_Dawg]

that would be a great offseason moves tbh. but im afraid that GSW will be more leaning toward to trade with CLE

Especially if you could flip Kuzma for a future 1st rd pick, and flip Green for a couple of 2nd rd picks.

[exstatic]

that would be a great offseason moves tbh. but im afraid that GSW will be more leaning toward to trade with CLE

Love can neither stay healthy or play defense. Pure trash.

[CGD]

that would be a great offseason moves tbh. but im afraid that GSW will be more leaning toward to trade with CLE

Fair, but that Love contract is awful though. I’m unclear who would have to give up assets in a Love for Wiggins swap.

[talkspurs]

Especially if you could flip Kuzma for a future 1st rd pick, and flip Green for a couple of 2nd rd picks.

People think they can flip any incoming player for picks but when it comes to our own players they just want to give them away.

[Thomas82]

Fair, but that Love contract is awful though. I’m unclear who would have to give up assets in a Love for Wiggins swap.

Not only is Love's contract bad, but so is his defense.

[DPG21920]

Monday should be fun

[Thomas82]

Monday should be fun

Monday will definitely be crazy.

[Dejounte]

Whats on Monday again?

[Robz4000]

Whats on Monday again?

Trades can start happening.

[Dejounte]

Trades can start happening.

I see. Thanks. I doubt there will be trades before the draft though because teams won't see which prospect goes where.

[DPG21920]

I’m starting to have real doubts on Wiseman (if SA gets #2). I’m torn.

[daslicer]

I’m starting to have real doubts on Wiseman (if SA gets #2). I’m torn.

Even if Wisemn turns out to be a bust the Spurs still have nothing to lose. They are not going to ever be a contender with LMA and there is a high chance he bolts after this season is over.

[DPG21920]

Even if Wisemn turns out to be a bust the Spurs still have nothing to lose. They are not going to ever be a contender with LMA and there is a high chance he bolts after this season is over.

I don’t have doubts about trading LMA; I have doubts about who to take 2nd

[Dhbsr555]

I’m starting to have real doubts on Wiseman (if SA gets #2). I’m torn.
I’m not high on wiseman at all maybe I’m proven wrong but if we land 2 I’d go with deni Edwards or big 0

[tim_duncan_fan]

Even if Wisemn turns out to be a bust the Spurs still have nothing to lose. They are not going to ever be a contender with LMA and there is a high chance he bolts after this season is over.

Great point.

Also, if Wiseman is a hair more intelligent than Ian Mahinmi, he should be a serviceable 10 and 10 and some blocks guy.

Trust in the Spurs to bring out the best in the guy. We got a D-League scrub a middling contract from Orlando. If Wiseman has potential, he will find it with us.


That said, the Spurs aren't going to trade up in the draft. We're going to come away with Vassell or maybe Bey with pick 11.

[Ignazzz]

I’m not high on wiseman at all maybe I’m proven wrong but if we land 2 I’d go with deni Edwards or big 0
Agree

[Robz4000]

I don’t have doubts about trading LMA; I have doubts about who to take 2nd

All the problems we have with PATFO these days, drafting is about the only exception. If Wiseman is their pick then they prolly see something in him.

[XDT76]

I’m not high on wiseman at all maybe I’m proven wrong but if we land 2 I’d go with deni Edwards or big 0

If the Spurs trade LMA and #11 for #2 it better be Wiseman and they are very sure he will be a success. If the Spurs pick any other player especially that is not a big man, I foresee some team is gonna force us overpay for Poeltl. We do not have cap space for a starting 5.

[Dhbsr555]

I don’t see the warriors pulling this trade

[BackHome]

Warriors have to get a big who can play good against the Joker and Uni Brow or they going to get killed come playoff time. And no Wiseman won’t help them as he is extremely raw and is probably going to take two or three years before he is good enough to play against these two.

[Thomas82]

Warriors have to get a big who can play good against the Joker and Uni Brow or they going to get killed come playoff time. And no Wiseman won’t help them as he is extremely raw and is probably going to take two or three years before he is good enough to play against these two.

This is exactly what I keep trying to tell people, especially Spurs/Warriors fans outside of this board.

[exstatic]

Warriors have to get a big who can play good against the Joker and Uni Brow or they going to get killed come playoff time. And no Wiseman won’t help them as he is extremely raw and is probably going to take two or three years before he is good enough to play against these two.

There’s actually a clip of the GS GM saying that rookies don’t help you win during the playoffs. They’re trading the pick, and we have a piece they want.

[Dverde]

I don’t see GSW saying no for LMA/#11 for Wiggins/#2. They may get a “better” offer with another team. The real question is should SAS include the #11. I wouldn’t considering the length of Wiggins contract. I’d rather keep #11, LMA, the cap space.

[gambit1990]

la isn’t gonna be putting the clamps on AD or jokic...

i guess that can be the warriors’ problem though.

[gambit1990]

who knows though, maybe the warriors manage to snag dwight howard too.

la + dwight is the frontcourt i wanted the spurs to have.

[exstatic]

I don’t see GSW saying no for LMA/#11 for Wiggins/#2. They may get a “better” offer with another team. The real question is should SAS include the #11. I wouldn’t considering the length of Wiggins contract. I’d rather keep #11, LMA, the cap space.

Yeah, those FAs will be just lining up to sign with a small market lottery team...

[Sugus]

So, looks like the Lakers are officially trading for Schroder, it's all but inked. Good riddance, it squashes the DD to LA trash trade rumor.

The LA to GSW trade makes too much sense not to happen in some fashion. People saying the Warriors won't trade the pick aren't looking at the big picture; cap hindrance of the pick, immediate title aspirations for the Dubs, extremely shallow FA pool in regards to serviceable bigs (much less star-quality bigs). It's not about whether LMA can "shut down" AD or Jokic - just about whether LaMarcus can hold his own against them, tire them down, trade buckets in the post, and be a general nuisance and offset the other teams' bigs' impact. You have the best shooting PG-SG combo ever to pick up the slack after him. The Warriors might get a better offer still, which we can't control, but as it stands we have a pretty solid chance of landing that #2 pick, IMO.

The thing I'm more interested in, are the specifics of the trade. Do we keep 11? Bring a third team? Ship out another of our players for that Minny pick? Please god, tell me Steve Kerr is a secret Dejounte fan...

[Dejounte]

Is there a better big than Aldridge the Warriors can push for?

Blake Griffin?
Joel Embiid?
Myles Turner?
Marc Gasol?
Gobert?

Are these bigs attainable?

The only reason why I don't see it happening is because Aldridge is 35. Put our homerism aside for a sec. lol.

[Dverde]

Yeah, those FAs will be just lining up to sign with a small market lottery team...

The pay checks clear no matter what size market you’re in. Ignorant to always act like San Antonio is the problem. Problem is most all stars don’t want to be coached by Pop and be categorized a “Spurs system” player.

[mo7888]

Is there a better big than Aldridge the Warriors can push for?

Blake Griffin?
Joel Embiid?
Myles Turner?
Marc Gasol?
Gobert?

Are these bigs attainable?

The only reason why I don't see it happening is because Aldridge is 35. Put our homerism aside for a sec. lol.

Joel > LA
Turner I'd rather have but probably < LA for next season.

[Sugus]

Is there a better big than Aldridge the Warriors can push for?

Blake Griffin?
Joel Embiid?
Myles Turner?
Marc Gasol?
Gobert?

Are these bigs attainable?

The only reason why I don't see it happening is because Aldridge is 35. Put our homerism aside for a sec. lol.

I'll play devil's advocate.

Blake Griffin is a huge question mark health-wise, plus making exorbitant amounts of money on Detroit (isn't he on a supermax, iirc?). I'd think DET would do the trade, but I don't see it from the Warriors' perspective, especially money-wise. No chance Embiid is moved out of Philly this offseason, and even less chance he's dealt to the Warriors. Myles Turner I don't consider to be on the level of LMA, and don't know his contract situation, so I won't comment on him.

Marc Gasol is the interesting one... He's gone on the record saying he's looking to play for a contending team. He's an UFA, and the Raptors are prioritizing re-signing FVV, and possibly Ibaka, before him. There's two problems with the idea of him and the Warriors that I see: I'm under the impression that the Warriors are hard-capped, so they'd have to use the MLE or trade exception to sign him (can they do that? Idk), they can't trade for him (which also means they could get both LMA and Gasol, if he signs for a vet-min as a ringchaser, if I'm not mistaken). And two - he's also not as good of a player as LMA. He's slower, physically older (same age as LMA btw, but IMO hasn't stayed in as good a physical condition as LMA), and at least in Toronto he didn't shine last season, putting up a measly 7.5/6.3/3.3 over the season. Of course, you don't get a player like Gasol just for his offensive production, but I could see the Warriors hesitating to bank on a soon-to-be 36yo Gasol to be a centerpiece on their title run.

Gobert is a no-go, I don't think the Jazz are actively looking to trade him as of this offseason after all the things the team went through, I believe they're banking on continuity and the resurgence of Conley, plus development of Mitchell and his chemistry with Rudy, to get to the next level, especially considering they haven't seen their team at "full force" since Bogdanovic missed the bubble. I can see them trotting the team out one last season before major changes are made.

[Dverde]

Is there a better big than Aldridge the Warriors can push for?

Blake Griffin?
Joel Embiid?
Myles Turner?
Marc Gasol?
Gobert?

Are these bigs attainable?

The only reason why I don't see it happening is because Aldridge is 35. Put our homerism aside for a sec. lol.

I think the biggest benefit is offloading Wiggins in the deal. You get one season of LMA and cap space next year. GSW will be a great FA destination with their roster and new arena.

[Dejounte]

I think the biggest benefit is offloading Wiggins in the deal. You get one season of LMA and cap space next year. GSW is be a great FA destination with their roster and new arena.

I believe they have to offload Draymond too in order to have cap space next year.

[Dverde]

I believe they have to offload Draymond too in order to have cap space next year.

That may be the case since their guards and Draymond make so much money. I assumed 25 million going off the books gives you some cap space, but I know sometimes the salary cap is tricky nowadays.

[talkspurs]

I think the biggest competition is them going for Gasol or Whiteside. Gasol has started to show his age and Whiteside has been looked at as a me first player and while putting up great stats hurts the team. He also seems to be more about money but who know what chasing a ring could do. Neither of these would get rid of Wiggins though. I think this is the best possibility of happening and I think the teams may be seeing what they can get from other teams/from each other before agreeing to it.

[exstatic]

The pay checks clear no matter what size market you’re in. Ignorant to always act like San Antonio is the problem. Problem is most all stars don’t want to be coached by Pop and be categorized a “Spurs system” player.

And yet, in 44 NBA seasons, we’ve signed one marquee FA, and that was one year after our last championship. One. You keep dreaming. I hope the Spurs act. OKC built what should have been a championship team by drafting, running a cheap payroll, and renting their cap space.

[EasyMoney]

Marc gasol might be going back to Europe
Joel is not being traded.
Turner is inexperienced compared to LaMarcus but a decent option
Gobert may or may not be in the trade market
Griffin is injury prone with time left on his contract

[TD 21]

The only way the Warriors trade Green, is if it's a means to signing Antetokounmpo.

Thompson, Plumlee, Millsap, Turner, Howard, Leonard, Favors, Horford, Baynes, Whiteside, Len, Gasol are all possible big man targets.

Aldridge would be a top two fit (Horford) but it's not like there's a shortage of options or he's some Jokic/Davis antidote. The former repeatedly trucked him in the '19 playoffs and the latter is too mobile in space for him at this point.

[Dejounte]

So according to people, Turner is a fine alternative to Aldridge... Could they take in Wiggins? Is Turner worth a #2 pick from the Warriors perspective? Or would the Pacers have to include other players? And if they included more solid players, would that be a solid deal for the Warriors?

[R. DeMurre]

Is there a better big than Aldridge the Warriors can push for?

Blake Griffin?
Joel Embiid?
Myles Turner?
Marc Gasol?
Gobert?

Are these bigs attainable?

The only reason why I don't see it happening is because Aldridge is 35. Put our homerism aside for a sec. lol.

Golden State can be pretty flexible here. They don't need a star. Derrick Favors would be a great fit. Hell, even Frank Kaminsky could play 18 mpg with them.

[Dejounte]

Repeat after me: We are not getting the 2nd pick from the Warriors.

We need to collectively say this so we can anti-jinx it.

It's not happening, guys.

[exstatic]

The only way the Warriors trade Green, is if it's a means to signing Antetokounmpo.

Thompson, Plumlee, Millsap, Turner, Howard, Leonard, Favors, Horford, Baynes, Whiteside, Len, Gasol are all possible big man targets.

Aldridge would be a top two fit (Horford) but it's not like there's a shortage of options or he's some Jokic/Davis antidote. The former repeatedly trucked him in the '19 playoffs and the latter is too mobile in space for him at this point.

Horford isn’t as good as Aldridge is. LMA Is going to look ten years younger in the GS offense, with all of that shooting gravity. He’s also a good rim protector, something they haven’t had since Bogut.

[exstatic]

Repeat after me: We are not getting the 2nd pick from the Warriors.

We need to collectively say this so we can anti-jinx it.

It's not happening, guys.

I’d say after that video of the GS GM saying that rookies don’t help you win in the playoffs that it’s close to 100% that they trade the pick, and we’re at the front of the line. I think this has been working for a while, and the real reason LMA didn’t go into the bubble.

[Dejounte]

I’d say after that video of the GS GM saying that rookies don’t help you win in the playoffs that it’s close to 100% that they trade the pick, and we’re at the front of the line. I think this has been working for a while, and the real reason LMA didn’t go into the bubble.

I saw the video and agree with you, I just don't think it's clear cut going to be the Spurs.

[TD 21]

Jokic would run roughshod over Turner in the post and he probably doesn't have sufficient lateral quicks to defend Davis in space.


Horford isn’t as good as Aldridge is. LMA Is going to look ten years younger in the GS offense, with all of that shooting gravity. He’s also a good rim protector, something they haven’t had since Bogut.

Yet even in a down season (largely due to an awkward fit), he still graded out as the more impactful player. It's close enough that it comes down to fit.

They have a lot of what Horford brings in Green (not that there's a limit to it) and could actually use more go-to/ISO scoring, so I'd lean Aldridge in a vacuum. The difference is, Horford won't cost the 2nd pick.

[Thomas82]

la isn’t gonna be putting the clamps on AD or jokic...

i guess that can be the warriors’ problem though.

LA has had some success against both of them. Not only that, who else is better than him that's available right now?

[tbdog]

Is there a better big than Aldridge the Warriors can push for?

Blake Griffin?
Joel Embiid?
Myles Turner?
Marc Gasol?
Gobert?

Are these bigs attainable?

The only reason why I don't see it happening is because Aldridge is 35. Put our homerism aside for a sec. lol.

Gobert is attainable. But I don't think Utah would be interested in Wiggins and number 2. They kinda is win now. Griffin is too risky for warriors. Gasol I think is a FA. Turner is way worse than LMA.

[gambit1990]

i thought marc already agreed to play in europe.

[gambit1990]

it wouldn't surprise me if myles turner is who the warriors really want...

edit: now that i think about it, maybe la is who the warriors really want since... they already have looney... curry / klay / draymond / la / looney...

[gambit1990]

Gobert is attainable.
i'm kinda surprised by that.

[gambit1990]

still feeling the effects of the zaza torpedo...

[szkorhetz]

Gobert is attainable. But I don't think Utah would be interested in Wiggins and number 2. They kinda is win now. Griffin is too risky for warriors. Gasol I think is a FA. Turner is way worse than LMA.
Vucevic?
A younger, longer, but less mobile kind of LMA with better outside touch and likely better playmaking. Magic is in the limbo, so they would be very interested.

[gambit1990]

i'm honestly super disappointed the spurs never paired la up with a somewhat high quality C (other than timmy). that's how you maximize him. i just don't understand how the spurs couldn't see that. let him score and not worry about needing to be the first guy back on defense. the warriors will see that clearly.

[cool cat]

And yet, in 44 NBA seasons, we’ve signed one marquee FA, and that was one year after our last championship. One. You keep dreaming. I hope the Spurs act. OKC built what should have been a championship team by drafting, running a cheap payroll, and renting their cap space.

Yep, before Durant, GS was built that way as well and won championships.

[gambit1990]

dream trade:
https://i.imgur.com/QxYJ77G.png

something like: cp3 / white / dort / la / adams with lonnie and kj off the bench.
https://imgur.com/QxYJ77G

a) i don't care if you like it
b) yes, dort is that good
c) spurs would have to up the ante on this trade TBH

[TD 21]

i'm honestly super disappointed the spurs never paired la up with a somewhat high quality C (other than timmy). that's how you maximize him. i just don't understand how the spurs couldn't see that. let him score and not worry about needing to be the first guy back on defense. the warriors will see that clearly.

They paired him with an elite passing/spot up range shooting/stationary rim protecting/uncontested rebounding Gasol until it no longer became tenable for him to play even part time "PF" due to the game's evolution and his declining athleticism.

Scumbag and the inability to replace Parker/Ginobili with quality play makers were the downfall of his tenure here. If not for the former and with White's emergence, they probably win the '19 championship and would still be a contender today.

[gambit1990]

They paired him with an elite passing/range shooting/stationary rim protecting/uncontested rebounding Gasol until it no longer became tenable for him to play even part time "PF" due to the game's evolution and his declining athleticism.

Scumbag and the inability to replace Parker/Ginobili with quality play makers were the downfall of his tenure here. If not for the former and with White's emergence, they probably win the '19 championship and would still be a contender today.
i see what you're saying about la's declining athleticism. however, it's wasn't just la's declining athleticism but la's declining athleticism in conjunction with gasol's declining athleticism. a mcgee type would would allow for la to play the "PF".

i agree with your second paragraph.

[TD 21]

i see what you're saying about la's declining athleticism. however, it's wasn't just la's declining athleticism but la's declining athleticism in conjunction with gasol's declining athleticism. a mcgee type would would allow for la to play the "PF".

i agree with your second paragraph.

McGee has even less of a chance than Aldridge of defending "PF's".

If Aldridge is to be paired with another C, it has to be one of the rare ones who can cross match defensively (think Adebayo).

[gambit1990]

McGee has even less of a chance than Aldridge of defending "PF's".

If Aldridge is to be paired with another C, it has to be one of the rare ones who can cross match defensively (think Adebayo).
mobility is my biggest concern. and not necessarily netting someone as great as bam.

[gambit1990]

maybe the warriors start la at the 5.

but they will be very aware that their best lineup next year will be with la at the 4 and looney at the 5.

la is taller than looney but that's moot. la is the scorer and looney is the defender.

[gambit1990]

looney is the only warrior i like so hopefully they have to give him up :lol

[daslicer]

I feel LMA/Derozan are Will in this clip with nobody in the league wanting to trade for them.

PI4Mv8R0mE0

[Dejounte]

Not sure if it's been discussed, but can Poetl be included in trade packages? In the form of a sign and trade?

[TD 21]

mobility is my biggest concern. and not necessarily netting someone as great as bam.

The former was the point.

Aldridge has been a C for a while, so he can't play next to a traditional one like McGee.

[objective]

Not sure if it's been discussed, but can Poetl be included in trade packages? In the form of a sign and trade?

Probably not with GS.

S&T can't be done if the receiving team will be taken over the Apron, which will be $138,928,000 for 20/21.

Also, the team receiving can't have spent any of it's MLE. So the team receiving has to be patient enough to wait on the deal.

[Dejounte]

Probably not with GS.

S&T can't be done if the receiving team will be taken over the Apron, which will be $138,928,000 for 20/21.

Also, the team receiving can't have spent any of it's MLE. So the team receiving has to be patient enough to wait on the deal.

So maybe a third team then. Having Poetl as another trade asset could be huge. Unless the Spurs want to give up one Lonnie or DJ ...

[Chinook]

Probably not with GS.

S&T can't be done if the receiving team will be taken over the Apron, which will be $138,928,000 for 20/21.

Also, the team receiving can't have spent any of it's MLE. So the team receiving has to be patient enough to wait on the deal.

The part about the MLE is off, I believe. A team can't go over the apron if it has accepted a player via an S&T and/or used the MLE above the tax-payer limit (you don't have to reserve the full thing or even declare which MLE you use beforehand so long as you stay under the tax-payer limit). But the MLE itself shouldn't actually affect an S&T's viability. They're two different cap functions/exceptions.

Unless, that is, there's something unique about this season that I haven't seen yet.

[objective]

Anyways, I'm coming more around on a trade to get Wiseman, and now I wouldn't mind if they included #11 to get it done.

My preferred player, Patrick Williams, probably will be off the board anyway. I don't particularly like most of the other players who will likely be available. If they got #2 and kept 11, I'd probably want them to swing for the fences on Poku who is more likely to bust than hit anyway.

[Chinook]

RE: Poeltl, I'm on record for saying the Spurs should've shopped him last off-season to move up in the draft. Of course, I wanted to move up for Clarke, and that was unnecessary. But considering Doumbouya and Hachimura both went before the Spurs picked, maybe moving up would've gotten them a more-coveted target than Samanic.

[objective]

The part about the MLE is off, I believe. A team can't go over the apron if it has accepted a player via an S&T and/or used the MLE above the tax-payer limit (you don't have to reserve the full thing or even declare which MLE you use beforehand so long as you stay under the tax-payer limit). But the MLE itself shouldn't actually affect an S&T's viability. They're two different cap functions/exceptions.

Unless, that is, there's something unique about this season that I haven't seen yet.

Right, I meant MLE in the context of the Apron as with regards to a S&T. I wasn't clear enough.

Anyone who wants to read more, check out section 92 of the cbafaq

[Dejounte]

Since Patty is on the block, include him in talks too. The more I see it, the more I think there are ways to trade up. Just have to see what we're willing to sacrifice. IMO, you sacrifice everything but Keldon and White. I don't believe theres a big man in next year's draft as good as Wiseman. Might as well go for it.

[Degoat]

I’m gonna be pretty bummed if the spurs don’t make some drastic changes, don’t want to go into the season with the same team as last year

[objective]

Since Patty is on the block, include him in talks too. The more I see it, the more I think there are ways to trade up. Just have to see what we're willing to sacrifice. IMO, you sacrifice everything but Keldon and White. I don't believe theres a big man in next year's draft as good as Wiseman. Might as well go for it.

Mills with Aldridge makes too much sense. They stay together, which makes sense as Mills was in the meeting to recruit Aldridge in the first place. Mills went to college like 35 minutes from San Francisco. And GS could send back Jordan Poole who supposedly thought he was going to be picked by the Spurs on draft night until GS grabbed him one pick ahead.

But of course Pop would have to sign off, and Mills and his perceived leadership seems highly prized

[gambit1990]

I’m gonna be pretty bummed if the spurs don’t make some drastic changes, don’t want to go into the season with the same team as last year
there will be major changes.

[tbdog]

Vucevic?
A younger, longer, but less mobile kind of LMA with better outside touch and likely better playmaking. Magic is in the limbo, so they would be very interested.

He is better than advertised. But he is also a worse defender in LMA. LMA can check AD and Jokic.

[RC_Drunkford]

If you want somebody to match up with Dwight and AD LaMarcus is your 1st option period. He always gets up to play against those 2. Seems to me like Boston is the most likely landing spot for Myles Turner. Marc Gasol would be another option for the Dubs, but he's not on LMA's level anymore. Also don't rule out Miami as a landing spot for Aldridge. They were interested at the deadline.

Another thing from what I heard is that the Dubs are looking at 3-and-D wings in this draft, like Vassell and Nesmith, so they would most likely want the #11 pick to be included

[talkspurs]

Another thing from what I heard is that the Dubs are looking at 3-and-D wings in this draft, like Vassell and Nesmith, so they would most likely want the #11 pick to be included

They may want it but does not mean we have to include it. This is where it could come down to who would blink first. What is GS willing to give up to have a better shot at winning vs what is SA willing to hold out for.

[RC_Drunkford]

They may want it but does not mean we have to include it. This is where it could come down to who would blink first. What is GS willing to give up to have a better shot at winning vs what is SA willing to hold out for.

true. Dubs would be stupid not to do it. LaMarcus will beast on that roster.

[Dejounte]

So what are the reasons Warriors fans despise a trade for LaMarcus?

A) they're stupid
B) they overrate age
C) they think they can continue their previous run and think it's an easy path to Finals with everyone healthy
D) they overvalue their assets

[mo7888]

So what are the reasons Warriors fans despise a trade for LaMarcus?

A) they're stupid
B) they overrate age
C) they think they can continue their previous run and think it's an easy path to Finals with everyone healthy
D) they overvalue their assets

A and D

[Dverde]

I really think LMA puts GSW back in the championship hunt. He’ll probable work with them in the following years to stay put. LMA has averaged 21 and 19 ppg last two yearsand not a defensive liability. He’s a shooter whose game should age well.

[Dejounte]

I really think LMA puts GSW back in the championship hunt. He’ll probable work with them in the following years to stay put. LMA has averaged 21 and 19 ppg last two yearsand not a defensive liability. He’s a shooter whose game should age well.

Yeah, Spurs fans see it (because we're being homers???). Warrior fans don't see it at all.

[Thomas82]

So what are the reasons Warriors fans despise a trade for LaMarcus?

A) they're stupid
B) they overrate age
C) they think they can continue their previous run and think it's an easy path to Finals with everyone healthy
D) they overvalue their assets

A, B, and D.

[exstatic]

Yeah, Spurs fans see it (because we're being homers???). Warrior fans don't see it at all.

Who cares about their fucking fans?

[Dejounte]

Who cares about their fucking fans?

If there was a spectrum of how well you know a team, reading into what fans say and think can give SOME measure of how a team values their players.

Just like how every Spurs fan knows DJ is garbage, but the rest of the league's fans doesn't.

[daslicer]

So what are the reasons Warriors fans despise a trade for LaMarcus?

A) they're stupid
B) they overrate age
C) they think they can continue their previous run and think it's an easy path to Finals with everyone healthy
D) they overvalue their assets

It’s mainly B they think LMA is old and washed up at 35. They also don’t like how LMA is not super athletic and want a super athletic roll guy .

[exstatic]

If there was a spectrum of how well you know a team, reading into what fans say and think can give SOME measure of how a team values their players.

Just like how every Spurs fan knows DJ is garbage, but the rest of the league's fans doesn't.

GSs fans don’t make the deals, and if they’re as dumb as ours, and I think they’re at least in the running, that’s a good thing. Every team’s fans think they’re smarter than the FO, but maybe with the exception of NY, they aren’t.

[rankingtear]

So what are the reasons Warriors fans despise a trade for LaMarcus?

A) they're stupid
B) they overrate age
C) they think they can continue their previous run and think it's an easy path to Finals with everyone healthy
D) they overvalue their assets

D. Also they had Demarcus Cousins before and it bogged down their offense by a lot when they try to get him his touches.

[K...]

The trade for LMA has to happen because i want to root for him to ring! LaMarcus winning while LeBron and nephew lose is like the Trifecta of good news 2021. Imagine fucking Kevin love getting another ring, gross!

[daslicer]

The trade for LMA has to happen because i want to root for him to ring! LaMarcus winning while LeBron and nephew lose is like the Trifecta of good news 2021. Imagine fucking Kevin love getting another ring, gross!

Agreed. LMA playing a foil to Kawhi and Lebron would be great.

[SpurPadre]

So...no more traction on this happening?

[Chinook]

So...no more traction on this happening?

At best, it'd happen after GS picks at 2. But so long as they're comfortable with the idea of keeping whomever they pick, it might not happen until after they see who falls to 11. Could be a case where they have deals worked out with multiple teams, and whomever takes their guy would be the ones they end up dealing with.

[exstatic]

So...no more traction on this happening?

There are two reasons people stop taking about a deal: it’s dead or it’s done.

[Maddog]

So...no more traction on this happening?
Was there ever any traction to begin with.

[ismael-robert]

Spurs may wanna ensure wiseman falls to 2

[Degoat]

People aren’t gonna like it but I bet spurs are not even targeting Wiseman, I bet they’re targeting Deni... Warriors probably will only do the deal if wiseman is picked #1

[mo7888]

People aren’t gonna like it but I bet spurs are not even targeting Wiseman, I bet they’re targeting Deni... Warriors probably will only do the deal if wiseman is picked #1

That's a real possibility... I'm all in on Wiseman but, I could see the Spurs targeting Deni...

[Thomas82]

People aren’t gonna like it but I bet spurs are not even targeting Wiseman, I bet they’re targeting Deni... Warriors probably will only do the deal if wiseman is picked #1

If the Spurs have to give up Aldridge and take back Wiggins, it wouldn't make sense to get Deni. We would need to fill the hole being left at center.

[mo7888]

If the Spurs have to give up Aldridge and take back Wiggins, it wouldn't make sense to get Deni. We would need to fill the hole being left at center.

Unless they see Jakob as the C going forward

[Thomas82]

Unless they see Jakob as the C going forward

Just my opinion, but I don't believe they're totally sold on him.

[mo7888]

Just my opinion, but I don't believe they're totally sold on him.

I can't tell what their thinking honestly

[Degoat]

If the Spurs have to give up Aldridge and take back Wiggins, it wouldn't make sense to get Deni. We would need to fill the hole being left at center.

I’m not so sure the spurs are that worried about the center position, they played Rudy gay at center during the bubble some lol but I could be wrong, I just think it makes more sense for the warriors to be interested in Aldridge Incase the wolves take Wiseman #1

[Ice009]

I thought I read Wiseman said he didn't want to play for the Timberwolves? Would the Wolves still take him if he said that and refused to play for them?

[exstatic]

I thought I read Wiseman said he didn't want to play for the Timberwolves? Would the Wolves still take him if he said that and refused to play for them?

They ran a bluff, and it got called. They then had Ball in for a workout, which I don’t think he does without being told he’s their guy.

[Degoat]

I thought I read Wiseman said he didn't want to play for the Timberwolves? Would the Wolves still take him if he said that and refused to play for them?

yeah that was reported about Wiseman but still they could draft him as a trade chip or try to convince him that he’s in a good situation there

[Chinook]

They ran a bluff, and it got called. They then had Ball in for a workout, which I don’t think he does without being told he’s their guy.

I think Edwards/Wiseman or Wiseman/Edwards could very well be the order with Minny dropping down to 3 ala Boston. Charlotte apparently really wants to move up for Wiseman, but GS wants to stick them with Wiggins to move up to 2. The Hornets could find it cheaper just to bypass GS altogether. In that case, GS either takes Edwards or trades down to a team like SA, and Minny gets Ball.

[mo7888]

I think Edwards/Wiseman or Wiseman/Edwards could very well be the order with Minny dropping down to 3 ala Boston. Charlotte apparently really wants to move up for Wiseman, but GS wants to stick them with Wiggins to move up to 2. The Hornets could find it cheaper just to bypass GS altogether. In that case, GS either takes Edwards or trades down to a team like SA, and Minny gets Ball.

If Wiseman goes #1 and we trade with GS (for Deni? Etc) I would think we keep #11 or get the minny #1 they hold for next year...

[Chinook]

If Wiseman goes #1 and we trade with GS (for Deni? Etc) I would think we keep #11 or get the minny #1 they hold for next year...

I don't think so. Like we don't know how the two sides value the pieces in this deal, but I think SA would have to give up 11 or at least White/Johnson. Maybe the Minny pick comes back in the deal, maybe not. I also don't know that it's particularly desirable to have 11 too, since they'd definitely be in tax territory. Best I could see would be LMA and Murray for Wiggins and 2. That's salary neutral and probably pays GS more than other teams would to make deal happen.

[smush]

If we have to take Wiggins we have to get rid of another guard. Since DDR is staying there is not enough room in the starting 5 for everyone. White,Murray and Derozan Have to start. So one of them would have to go.

[Chinook]

If we have to take Wiggins we have to get rid of another guard. Since DDR is staying there is not enough room in the starting 5 for everyone. White,Murray and Derozan Have to start. So one of them would have to go.

LMA and DJM for Wiggins and 2 actually makes sense for both sides. Problem is the Spurs would probably just draft Edwards at 2 anyway. They'd still have a guard glut.

[mo7888]

I don't think so. Like we don't know how the two sides value the pieces in this deal, but I think SA would have to give up 11 or at least White/Johnson. Maybe the Minny pick comes back in the deal, maybe not. I also don't know that it's particularly desirable to have 11 too, since they'd definitely be in tax territory. Best I could see would be LMA and Murray for Wiggins and 2. That's salary neutral and probably pays GS more than other teams would to make deal happen.

All along trading LMA + Murray for Wiggins +2 makes the most sense for both teams to me. I think its probably the best place for Murray to succeed as well.

[smush]

Take Deni at 2.

white
DDR
wiggins
Deni
Jakob

[talkspurs]

Murry is not going. It is going to be LMA for 2+wiggins. No reason for the Spurs to include someone else.

[smush]

I don’t think the warriors have a backup PG. DJ would be like Shawn Livingston. That might work. The warriors could be asking for white. That’s off the table.

[YoungbuckMurray]

If it is LMA for Wiggins and 2 I’m doing it. Being able to have 2 and 11 would be huge. Also maybe Pop is able to get through to Wiggins and turn him into a more complete player. This gives flexibility to move DDR or keep him and make us a really good offensive team. Even DDR can be a decent defender when he’s engaged. Grab Wiseman and Bey/Williams at 2 and 11

[r0drig0lac]

Murry is not going. It is going to be LMA for 2+wiggins. No reason for the Spurs to include someone else.

in this case, that's probably what the FO will do

[4lifecowboy]

Trade Aldridge and Murray for Wiggins and 2
Draft Okongwu with 2, draft Maxey with 11
White
Derozan
Wiggins
Lyle
Okongwu
Bench
Maxey
Walker
Johnson
Gay
Jacob P

[K...]

I have no problem with white being traded but he's worth a top 12 pick on top of LMA, so gsw would need to send more for him

[DPG21920]

Covington netted 16 + another first. White >> Covington

[EasyMoney]

Stop discussing a trade involving dejounte Murray. Its not happening.

[EasyMoney]

If we have to take Wiggins we have to get rid of another guard. Since DDR is staying there is not enough room in the starting 5 for everyone. White,Murray and Derozan Have to start. So one of them would have to go.


Not unless they play small like how they did in the bubble. There's only just a handful of teams that still play big.

[Dejounte]

Not unless they play small like how they did in the bubble. There's only just a handful of teams that still play big.

Yeah and the teams who play big are the most successful

[r0drig0lac]

Not unless they play small like how they did in the bubble. There's only just a handful of teams that still play big.

yes, the teams that have a real chance of win.

[The Truth #6]

Teams with HOF-caliber superstars in their prime are the most successful. I think that’s the only true common denominator.

[SpurPadre]

Covington netted 16 + another first. White >> Covington

Let's be honest, that's a Spurs fan perception. No one in the sports media sees it that way and there's a chance many in the league don't see it that way, either.

[DPG21920]

Let's be honest, that's a Spurs fan perception. No one in the sports media sees it that way and there's a chance many in the league don't see it that way, either.

Maybe. I disagree but maybe

[R. DeMurre]

A team with DeRozan & Wiggins as a starting tandem would be a disaster. Weak defense & weak three point shooting at both wing positions in 2021 is just not a thing a team interested in success attempts to do.

[Mugen]

A team with DeRozan & Wiggins as a starting tandem would be a disaster. Weak defense & weak three point shooting at both wing positions in 2021 is just not a thing a team interested in success attempts to do.

:lol I don't think the Spurs should be that interested in "success" in 2021. They're a rebuilding team that should be focused on developing their young guys and building for the future.

There isn't a trade (at least not one that this FO would be capable of executing) that would raise what their current ceiling is: a 7-10 seed in the Western Conference.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol I don't think the Spurs should be that interested in "success" in 2021. They're a rebuilding team that should be focused on developing their young guys and building for the future.

There isn't a trade (at least not one that this FO would be capable of executing) that would raise what their current ceiling is: a 7-10 seed in the Western Conference.

I agree that developing the young guys is priority #1-- but still having DeRozan on the team is a direct impediment to that.

[Degoat]

DeRozan really isn’t the problem imo, he played great in the bubble with the youngsters, it’s having LMA and Patty on the team that’s the problem

[Mugen]

I agree that developing the young guys is priority #1-- but still having DeRozan on the team is a direct impediment to that.


DeRozan really isn’t the problem imo, he played great in the bubble with the youngsters, it’s having LMA and Patty on the team that’s the problem

:lol I'd argue that the ultimate problem lies elsewhere.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I think it is a bad idea for the Spurs to take Wiggins' contract. Dude is one of the laziest defenders among highly paid players, has a poor shot selection and is clearly among the most overpaid players in the league. If Spurs want to trade up the draft, I dont think a Wiggins trade with the Warriors will cut it. They will have to get a good pick at 11, considering there aren't other contenders willing to take on a veteran like Aldridge and wish for a separate trade for him outside of the draft.

[The Truth #6]

After the frustration of DeMar, I can't see taking back Wiggins being good for our mental health. And considering giving up White is nuts to me, especially if the rest of the league doesn't see value in him (meaning we get back even less for him), because he may be our best player.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol I'd argue that the ultimate problem lies elsewhere.

The idea that DeRozan "played great" in the bubble is fantasy. Derrick White and KJ were the leaders in +/- by far, and DeRozan was his typical self, putting up empty numbers.

[The Truth #6]

The idea that DeRozan "played great" in the bubble is fantasy. Derrick White and KJ were the leaders in +/- by far, and DeRozan was his typical self, putting up empty numbers.

I thought he played much better by taking less of a dominant role in the first 3 quarters, and in the 4th, he actually didn't choke. We could argue that he sucked less, but to me, this was peak DeRozan, for good or bad. Not someone I want on the team longterm for his high salary, but I don't think he was worse.

[Mugen]

The idea that DeRozan "played great" in the bubble is fantasy. Derrick White and KJ were the leaders in +/- by far, and DeRozan was his typical self, putting up empty numbers.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you. But I think you're misunderstanding me when I say the ultimate problem lies elsewhere. Hint - he isn't a player :lol

[Degoat]

The idea that DeRozan "played great" in the bubble is fantasy. Derrick White and KJ were the leaders in +/- by far, and DeRozan was his typical self, putting up empty numbers.

+/- doesn’t tell the whole story, Patty mills led the team in the plus minus last year

[Dex]

+/- doesn’t tell the whole story, Patty mills led the team in the plus minus last year

That's partially because our starting lineup was trash and the bench was constantly having to dig out of the holes that were left for them.

[look_at_g_shred]

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[Chinook]

Murry is not going. It is going to be LMA for 2+wiggins. No reason for the Spurs to include someone else.

You can only think that if you haven't looked at the cap situation. Yes, there is a perfectly good reason to include someone else, and Murray is a great candidate for that.

[SpurPadre]

Maybe. I disagree but maybe

The narrative throughout Pop's tenure has been that, outside of our All Stars, most players on the team are really scrubs that Pop has made look good in the system. That narrative has been propagated by the media for well over a decade and many teams around the league have bought into it. So, when people outside our fanbase think of Derrick White, they don't see a guy who scored over 30 points in Game 3 vs. the Nuggets a year ago. They see a guy who was deservedly benched in a Game 7 in favor of more minutes for a washed-up Patty Mills and Bryn Forbes. Of course, he's better than that and it's unfair but we have to be real about it. He's not a star at this point in his career and he isn't in a position where he's as marketable as Covington. No way we get better than a 16th pick for him.

[PhantomDashCam]

Covington netted 16 + another first. White >> Covington


The narrative throughout Pop's tenure has been that, outside of our All Stars, most players on the team are really scrubs that Pop has made look good in the system. That narrative has been propagated by the media for well over a decade and many teams around the league have bought into it. So, when people outside our fanbase think of Derrick White, they don't see a guy who scored over 30 points in Game 3 vs. the Nuggets a year ago. They see a guy who was deservedly benched in a Game 7 in favor of more minutes for a washed-up Patty Mills and Bryn Forbes. Of course, he's better than that and it's unfair but we have to be real about it. He's not a star at this point in his career and he isn't in a position where he's as marketable as Covington. No way we get better than a 16th pick for him.

Roco is the ultimate plug and play guy. You can put him in any system and he will be successful. His game, (3 and D) isn’t predicated on touches, plays being run for him and is an analytics darling.
Agree that D. White at the top of his game is the better player.
However, not to sound like an oxymoron, Roco is the more valuable in today’s NBA because of his skills and physical profile.
It is why so many archetypes on a variation of 3 and D are slated to go in the top 20 of the draft.

[cjw]

DeRozan really isn’t the problem imo, he played great in the bubble with the youngsters, it’s having LMA and Patty on the team that’s the problem

Trading one of Gay or Patty as part of the Wiggins trade gives them another important asset - if not a helpful bench piece, both are valuable in that they’re decently-sized contracts that can help Golden State make another trade.

Because they’re capped out and likely don’t care too much about the tax, giving them a $12.5-$14.5mm contract opens up a lot of possibilities for a future trade ($17.5-$19.5mm of incoming salary). They’d have to move back Looney in that kind of trade.

Murray has a similar contract, and GS may push for him instead as he may bring back more value in a trade in a few months.

If moving Mills or Gay can help the Spurs keep 11 by sweetening the deal for GS, you do it every time.


On edit, forgot they still have the Iguodala trade exception for another week... so could theoretically use that instead of moving out Looney, though would have to be executed as two separate trades.

[TD 21]

As much as I like White, despise Wiggins and am something of a Wiseman skeptic, this would be tough to turn down . . .

To Hawks: DeRozan, 11
To Warriors: Aldridge, White
To Spurs: Wiggins, 2, 6

Lyles/Gay/Samanic
Wiggins/Johnson or Walker
Wiseman/Poeltl
Walker or Johnson/Mills
Murray/Haliburton or Hayes

[JuneJive]

Tempting. But losing White would be a blow.

And I can't see ATL going for DeMar.

[DPG21920]

I value White more than the 6th pick probably honestly.

[mo7888]

As much as I like White, despise Wiggins and am something of a Wiseman skeptic, this would be tough to turn down . . .

To Hawks: DeRozan, 11
To Warriors: Aldridge, White
To Spurs: Wiggins, 2, 6

Lyles/Gay/Samanic
Wiggins/Johnson or Walker
Wiseman/Poeltl
Walker or Johnson/Mills
Murray/Haliburton or Hayes

I'd do that deal

[TD 21]

I get it, but sentimentality shouldn't interfere with practicality. The reality is, he's 26, this doesn't look like a quick fix and Haliburton and to a lesser extent Hayes are both similar and have the added benefits of being 6 and 7 years younger respectively, while also not needing to be significantly paid for 4 years.

[Kurik]

I get it, but sentimentality shouldn't interfere with practicality. The reality is, he's 26, this doesn't look like a quick fix and Haliburton and to a lesser extent Hayes are both similar and have the added benefits of being 6 and 7 years younger respectively, while also not needing to be significantly paid for 4 years.

I’d do it as well. Good trade.

[objective]

I like White more than what I think Halliburton and Hayes will become.

I don't have much worry about paying him, it's not like they'll be in tax trouble after this year, and it's not like they'll lose out on free agents with so little going for them. But also, paying him now just means you can trade him later. Jrue couldn't get his team to the playoffs and somehow was worth a billion unprotected first round picks.

Having White around would be better for developing Wiseman, who will need all the help he can get.

[DPG21920]

I get it, but sentimentality shouldn't interfere with practicality. The reality is, he's 26, this doesn't look like a quick fix and Haliburton and to a lesser extent Hayes are both similar and have the added benefits of being 6 and 7 years younger respectively, while also not needing to be significantly paid for 4 years.

I get it too- it seems like something that might need to happen (including White) to get deals done Im just saying I’m not in love with it because you are swapping youth for youth somewhat.

I want ideally to add onto youth but I get it.

[DPG21920]

I like White more than what I think Halliburton and Hayes will become.

I don't have much worry about paying him, it's not like they'll be in tax trouble after this year, and it's not like they'll lose out on free agents with so little going for them. But also, paying him now just means you can trade him later. Jrue couldn't get his team to the playoffs and somehow was worth a billion unprotected first round picks.

Having White around would be better for developing Wiseman, who will need all the help he can get.

Agree.

[Chinook]

I get it, but sentimentality shouldn't interfere with practicality. The reality is, he's 26, this doesn't look like a quick fix and Haliburton and to a lesser extent Hayes are both similar and have the added benefits of being 6 and 7 years younger respectively, while also not needing to be significantly paid for 4 years.

Basically. I like him more than Murray for sure, and I don't have a problem saying he's the best of the Spurs "young" players right now. The issue is that his ceiling isn't so high that he's untouchable. If White is one of the Spurs' three best players, they aren't going anywhere. Like don't trade him for nothing or even let him walk, but trading for future value and letting the rest of the young guys settle into roles for a season isn't a bad idea. I'd MUCH rather them trade Murray and then do that, since they'd save some critical money. But ultimately, which of those two they pick likely won't have any affect on the Spurs' trajectory going forward.

[objective]

Spurs aren't going anywhere with or without White or with or without Halliburton or Hayes anyways, they're probably 2 top lotto picks in good future drafts away from being contenders.

But if White is allowed to play and isn't hamstrung by whack coaching, then he'll put up very nice numbers like he did in the bubble, and he'll be worth more in trade.

With the flattened lotto odds and how tough the West will be, I wouldn't sweat White costing them lotto odds.

[Dejounte]

Spurs aren't going anywhere with or without White or with or without Halliburton or Hayes anyways, they're probably 2 top lotto picks in good future drafts away from being contenders.

But if White is allowed to play and isn't hamstrung by whack coaching, then he'll put up very nice numbers like he did in the bubble, and he'll be worth more in trade.

With the flattened lotto odds and how tough the West will be, I wouldn't sweat White costing them lotto odds.

Nah. If they get Wiseman, that's a new BIG 3 with

Wiseman = Timmy D
Keldon = Manu
White = Parker

[exstatic]

Let's be honest, that's a Spurs fan perception. No one in the sports media sees it that way and there's a chance many in the league don't see it that way, either.

RoCo is just a larger version of LDN. He’s a great defender, but really just shoots 3s, with no other offense.

[TD 21]

I like White more than what I think Halliburton and Hayes will become.

I don't have much worry about paying him, it's not like they'll be in tax trouble after this year, and it's not like they'll lose out on free agents with so little going for them. But also, paying him now just means you can trade him later. Jrue couldn't get his team to the playoffs and somehow was worth a billion unprotected first round picks.

Having White around would be better for developing Wiseman, who will need all the help he can get.

It's more so about their being viable replacements readily available than who'd end up better.

They're probably on the verge of locking up 3 mid 20s role players to relatively big extensions. It won't hurt them for the time being, but it's just not a prudent way to go about re-building.

Haliburton and Hayes are as good or better passers.



I get it too- it seems like something that might need to happen (including White) to get deals done Im just saying I’m not in love with it because you are swapping youth for youth somewhat.

I want ideally to add onto youth but I get it.

Not really. White is 26. Wiggins has been in the league 6 years to his 3 yet is still only 25, while Wiseman and Hayes are 19 and Haliburton is 20.



Basically. I like him more than Murray for sure, and I don't have a problem saying he's the best of the Spurs "young" players right now. The issue is that his ceiling isn't so high that he's untouchable. If White is one of the Spurs' three best players, they aren't going anywhere. Like don't trade him for nothing or even let him walk, but trading for future value and letting the rest of the young guys settle into roles for a season isn't a bad idea. I'd MUCH rather them trade Murray and then do that, since they'd save some critical money. But ultimately, which of those two they pick likely won't have any affect on the Spurs' trajectory going forward.

Wait, did you just agree with me? :wow

Of course it'd be preferable to do this with Murray in White's stead, but then it'd no longer be realistic from a financial or value perspective for the Warriors.

[objective]

White will become the new Jrue on trade value. Jrue hadn't made an all-star game in 7 years, and his one appearance was for the joke eastern conference.

Bubble Stats per 36
White age 26
22.7 points
6 assists
5.2 rebounds

Jrue age 30
16.7 points
5.5 assists
4.6 rebounds

Both with reputations for good defense, and if the Spurs can excise Forbes from their rotation, then White's rep will grow. Dejounte was on an all defense team playing next to Anderson and Green, and his stat impact dived when he was next to Forbes and DeRozan. White can hit that all-defense.

And by age 28 or 29 the odds are his salary will still be less than Jrue's at that age (between 25 and 26 million)

[Sugus]

White will become the new Jrue on trade value. Jrue hadn't made an all-star game in 7 years, and his one appearance was for the joke eastern conference.

Bubble Stats per 36
White age 26
22.7 points
6 assists
5.2 rebounds

Jrue age 30
16.7 points
5.5 assists
4.6 rebounds

Both with reputations for good defense, and if the Spurs can excise Forbes from their rotation, then White's rep will grow. Dejounte was on an all defense team playing next to Anderson and Green, and his stat impact dived when he was next to Forbes and DeRozan. White can hit that all-defense.

And by age 28 or 29 the odds are his salary will still be less than Jrue's at that age (between 25 and 26 million)

You'd do well to not get your hopes up that White will have trade value even close to Jrue's. It's not about the stats, or the ASG appearences (though Jrue's is a clear separator between him and White), it's about how both players are perceived around the league. Jrue is a known quantity - it's known that he's a great and switchable defender, great offensive player, good lockerroom presence and leader. White is, frankly, an above-average role player; we Spurs fans know his true value, which is why he's best served playing for us, but at the same time it means that teams won't be willing to shed nearly as much as MWKE did for Jrue. You need to be an elite roleplayer for years on end to have that kind of league-wide perception and value.

[objective]

You'd do well to not get your hopes up that White will have trade value even close to Jrue's. It's not about the stats, or the ASG appearences (though Jrue's is a clear separator between him and White), it's about how both players are perceived around the league. Jrue is a known quantity - it's known that he's a great and switchable defender, great offensive player, good lockerroom presence and leader. White is, frankly, an above-average role player; we Spurs fans know his true value, which is why he's best served playing for us, but at the same time it means that teams won't be willing to shed nearly as much as MWKE did for Jrue. You need to be an elite roleplayer for years on end to have that kind of league-wide perception and value.

It's fair to not get my hopes up with Pop's coaching, that is true.

Jrue under Pop would have been getting 24 minutes a game off the bench.

If White is freed, he will succeed.

[Collins21]

As Spurs fans we've gone from wanting to trade LMA for the #2 pick to now Spurs fans are suggesting taking Whiteside and a future pick. It's obvious most Spurs fans are idiots.

[DPG21920]

As Spurs fans we've gone from wanting to trade LMA for the #2 pick to now Spurs fans are suggesting taking Whiteside and a future pick. It's obvious most Spurs fans are idiots.

You can at least @ me bruh lol

[Sugus]

It's fair to not get my hopes up with Pop's coaching, that is true.

Jrue under Pop would have been getting 24 minutes a game off the bench.

If White is freed, he will succeed.

I disagree. White doesn't have the physical tools to "succeed" (by which you mean, I guess, be the kind of player that gets selected to an ASG, like Jrue was). He's really smart, plays gritty, and knows how to distribute - but he doesn't have a scoring mentality, is far too passive (the bubble play can perfectly well be an anomaly instead of the new normal, and even then, I wouldn't say he was playing at an All-Star level, just shooting more), and isn't athletic enough to score at the rim at will, often getting blocked or having to do complicated acrobatics just to score there. He's also too old at this point to ever shake the "role-player" tag, even if he goes to other teams - what players do you know that were relatively unknown around the league, then went on to have career resurgences and become stars after 26? It's not many, and most of them had 1-year peaks where they made an ASG, only to flame out after age catches up with them.

I like White, he's maybe my third favorite Spur right now, and I wouldn't want to trade him if we could avoid him. But he is what he is, and a coaching change doesn't really alter that. In any case, Pop's teachings and mentality have likely been far too engrained in him already to be changed. I see it in Dejounte as well, that hesitance... I hope Lonnie and Keldon don't suck that in, because it's a career killer.

[Collins21]

You can at least @ me bruh lol Why the would I @ you, I didn't say SpursTalk I said Twitter.

[DPG21920]

Why the would I @ you, I didn't say SpursTalk I said Twitter.

Because I was the one on Twitter engaged with Jabari Young on LMA to Portland involving whiteside...

[Mugen]

White will become the new Jrue on trade value. Jrue hadn't made an all-star game in 7 years, and his one appearance was for the joke eastern conference.

Bubble Stats per 36
White age 26
22.7 points
6 assists
5.2 rebounds

Jrue age 30
16.7 points
5.5 assists
4.6 rebounds

Both with reputations for good defense, and if the Spurs can excise Forbes from their rotation, then White's rep will grow. Dejounte was on an all defense team playing next to Anderson and Green, and his stat impact dived when he was next to Forbes and DeRozan. White can hit that all-defense.

And by age 28 or 29 the odds are his salary will still be less than Jrue's at that age (between 25 and 26 million)

You and I seem to be the only ones that aren't underrating DWhite tbh. I absolutely think he could be the 3rd best player on a championship team tbh and I think his upcoming extension is going to be a steal.

I wouldn't move him unless you're getting an absolute can't miss prospect at #2. I like Wiseman enough but he's not that. And I am not nearly high enough on the 2nd tier draft candidates where I'd be willing to move Derrick to see who falls to #6.

[Collins21]

Because I was the one on Twitter engaged with Jabari Young on LMA to Portland involving whiteside...

That didn't register to me but after going back and looking at it you're right i guess that was you. 2. You weren't the only one clamoring for that deal. 3. Burn the whole thing down if they do that deal.

[DPG21920]

That didn't register to me but after going back and looking at it you're right i guess that was you. 2. You weren't the only one clamoring for that deal. 3. Burn the whole thing down if they do that deal.

I mean I think it’s a very good deal. Get a good youngish prospect at position of need (Collins) + a 1st round pick and no big contract that goes beyond this next season?

Sure, getting #2 is great, but that comes with eating Wiggins crappy deal.

[TD 21]

The counting stats are irrelevant. NBA front offices aren't casual fans. They're not going to be swayed based off of something so circumstantial and largely irrelevant.

White doesn't have Holiday's pedigree and that's not changing whether he's putting up big counting stats on a bad team or not because on a good one he'd be a role player.

Besides, Holiday isn't worth what he went for in a vacuum. Like Scumbag, unique circumstances were required.



You and I seem to be the only ones that aren't underrating DWhite tbh. I absolutely think he could be the 3rd best player on a championship team tbh and I think his upcoming extension is going to be a steal.


I wouldn't move him unless you're getting an absolute can't miss prospect at #2. I like Wiseman enough but he's not that. And I am not nearly high enough on the 2nd tier draft candidates where I'd be willing to move Derrick to see who falls to #6.

I think he could be too, but that's not something this organization will have to worry about through the duration of prime and beyond.

That's the thing, all of the Spurs assets aren't getting them a can't miss prospect and even if they suck badly enough next season to warrant it, with the new lottery odds, that route might take a while too.

[Collins21]

I mean I think it’s a very good deal. Get a good youngish prospect at position of need (Collins) + a 1st round pick and no big contract that goes beyond this next season?

Sure, getting #2 is great, but that comes with eating Wiggins crappy deal.

Nah man i hate Whiteside I'd pay Wiggins for 10 years if that meant never seeing Whiteside in a Spurs uniform.

[objective]

I mean I think it’s a very good deal. Get a good youngish prospect at position of need (Collins) + a 1st round pick and no big contract that goes beyond this next season?

Sure, getting #2 is great, but that comes with eating Wiggins crappy deal.

Just reading the thread on twitter, don't think it's legal

Portland is giving up 2021 protected to get Covington. I couldn't find info on the protection, but if it rolls over year after year (as opposed to converting to two seconds if not conveyed like some traded picks do) ... then the Blazers might not be able to offer a future first until the Houston trade is completed

2023 at earliest, maybe even later

[objective]

The counting stats are irrelevant. NBA front offices aren't casual fans. They're not going to be swayed based off of something so circumstantial and largely irrelevant.

White doesn't have Holiday's pedigree and that's not changing whether he's putting up big counting stats on a bad team or not because on a good one he'd be a role player.

Besides, Holiday isn't worth what he went for in a vacuum. Like Scumbag, unique circumstances were required.




The front offices have plenty of their own stupid. No one wanted to offer anything good for Kawhi, which was a dumb way to turn down a rented title. Lakers weren't ever even offering Ingram if I remember Shelbourne's reports right, not that Ingram was any good.

White is well on his way to becoming the stock answer the pundits give on 'most underrated' or 'best non-all-star'.

I have no doubt. I guess we'll see.

[DPG21920]

Nah man i hate Whiteside I'd pay Wiggins for 10 years if that meant never seeing Whiteside in a Spurs uniform.

Well your irrational (or maybe rational) hate aside, it’s a good deal. Put it this way, if it were not Whiteside but some other random 18M expiring contract + Collins + a 1st would you like it?

[DPG21920]

Just reading the thread on twitter, don't think it's legal

Portland is giving up 2021 protected to get Covington. I couldn't find info on the protection, but if it rolls over year after year (as opposed to converting to two seconds if not conveyed like some traded picks do) ... then the Blazers might not be able to offer a future first until the Houston trade is completed

2023 at earliest, maybe even later

Yeah that part was unclear, but the framework is there.

[Collins21]

Well your irrational (or maybe rational) hate aside, it’s a good deal. Put it this way, if it were not Whiteside but some other random 18M expiring contract + Collins + a 1st would you like it?

Yeah

[TD 21]

The front offices have plenty of their own stupid. No one wanted to offer anything good for Kawhi, which was a dumb way to turn down a rented title. Lakers weren't ever even offering Ingram if I remember Shelbourne's reports right, not that Ingram was any good.

White is well on his way to becoming the stock answer the pundits give on 'most underrated' or 'best non-all-star'.

I have no doubt. I guess we'll see.

Sure, but not that kind.

Nah, the Spurs are so far off the radar that the only time they're mentioned is when one of the agenda driven media wants to take their latest shot. If he played for one of their pets, like the Raptors, maybe.

[Joseph Kony]

i'm beginning to wonder if the Spurs have something in place with the Warriors depending on who is taken at #1

[objective]

i'm beginning to wonder if the Spurs have something in place with the Warriors depending on who is taken at #1

It would make sense to wait.

No point in making the trade to get Wiseman only to have Charlotte give up something to jump to #1

[DPG21920]

It would make sense to wait.

No point in making the trade to get Wiseman only to have Charlotte give up something to jump to #1

While true I find it hard to believe SA loves Wiseman so much and only Wiseman that they would pass on getting another player at 2 because he’s not there when we know they are looking to deal LMA anyways...

[Shakril]

While true I find it hard to believe SA loves Wiseman so much and only Wiseman that they would pass on getting another player at 2 because he’s not there when we know they are looking to deal LMA anyways...

If Spurs want to have Wiseman, than it means Poeltl is already gone. There is no sense having both of them, unless Poeltl is guaranteed the starting spot and Wiseman as Back Up, which i dont believe is something wiseman wants.

I rather have the Spurs draft someone like Patrick Williams, who seems to be a Wing Defender. Something the Spurs need desperatly.

[Chinook]

Again, I think Spurs fans have huge misconceptions of what trades are supposed to do. White being the best of the Spurs' young players doesn't mean he should be dealt last. It just means his asking price is higher. Trying to trade away your bad players or the ones asking out is how you get hosed by opposing GMs constantly. The Spurs should be looking to trade FOR players and be unafraid of paying the price for guys they believe in. White being a longshot to become the third-best player on a title team (which probably not in the modern NBA if we're being honest), doesn't mean anything on its own. That won't get it done. Part of the Spurs rebuilding has to be making quick and accurate decisions on their young players and turning over the ones outside the top two or three for more chances. The goal should not be to pay all of the good ones and dump all of the bad ones. That's how you end up being capped out and mediocre.

Some caveats: I suggested that the Spurs might look to trade White within the context of them signing another PG to at least a three-year deal to back up a starting Murray. That scenario is incompatible with one where White is this lower-level star with great intangibles ala Kyle Lowry. In that scenario the Spurs specifically invested way more in other guards and would need to figure out who to keep along with Murray and Teague. Cashing out on White or Walker (since yes, the quote was truncated to make it seem like it was just White) makes sense there because one of them wouldn't be in the rotation with DeRozan replaced with Teague (who again has to be signed to a three-year deal) and Reddish.

If White legit has potential to be a third star, then the Spurs have to figure out how to come away with something in 2021's off-season. People keep talking about the path to another title being through the draft. I believe this is an incomplete plan. By far the fastest way to a title is to acquire stars in trades and free agency. I think a good rule of thumb is for one of the team's top three players to come from the draft, one from a trade and one through free agency. Ideally, you draft the best player, sign the second best and trade for the third. That's the cheapest and most secure. For the Spurs, though, they're best path toward quickly becoming a contender is to have White as the third-best player, sign the best player in free agency and then use contracts like 11 (who'd be a player coming off his rookie year), Murray and Poeltl to acquire the second-best. Something like signing George coming off his disgraced role as Leonard's bitch and trading for Embiid after Morey runs him out of town. Is that a likely plan? Not very much at all. Is that a better plan than winning through the draft? Definitely.

[TD 21]

Keep Poeltl in the interim, then if/when Wiseman develops into a 30+ mpg clear cut starter, shop him at that point and look for more of a stretch five to backup.

Signing the best player on a contender or good team is not realistic in a non glamour market.

[objective]

While true I find it hard to believe SA loves Wiseman so much and only Wiseman that they would pass on getting another player at 2 because he’s not there when we know they are looking to deal LMA anyways...

I'd like Williams at 2 if Wiseman is gone, but wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs have only one target


If Spurs want to have Wiseman, than it means Poeltl is already gone. There is no sense having both of them, unless Poeltl is guaranteed the starting spot and Wiseman as Back Up, which i dont believe is something wiseman wants.

I rather have the Spurs draft someone like Patrick Williams, who seems to be a Wing Defender. Something the Spurs need desperatly.

I don't know about Poeltl.

He only averaged 26 minutes a game starting in the bubble. He just gets too fatigued and commits some dumb fouls.

And Wiseman is coming from a year of no basketball and only 69 college minutes, no summer league, and a truncated camp and pre-season. He probably will have a very steep learning curve, I wouldn't be surprised if he and Poeltl would split minutes pretty evenly or even in Poeltl's favor. Starting Poeltl year one or at least through the all-star break while Wiseman gets up to speed

[Mugen]

If the Spurs end up with Wiseman, I think you re-sign Poetl for 2yrs. You'll have to overpay on a per year basis (probably 10-12mil) but that's probably the total amount of $ he's looking at anyways even with a 3 or 4yr deal on another team.

[mo7888]

I'd like Williams at 2 if Wiseman is gone, but wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs have only one target



I don't know about Poeltl.

He only averaged 26 minutes a game starting in the bubble. He just gets too fatigued and commits some dumb fouls.

And Wiseman is coming from a year of no basketball and only 69 college minutes, no summer league, and a truncated camp and pre-season. He probably will have a very steep learning curve, I wouldn't be surprised if he and Poeltl would split minutes pretty evenly or even in Poeltl's favor. Starting Poeltl year one or at least through the all-star break while Wiseman gets up to speed

Yep, I think Jakob starts and Wiseman learns behind him... Jakob would get moved next off-season most likely.

[DPG21920]

DPG also chimes in 3 months ago:

https://twitter.com/dpg21920/status/1296613547284271107?s=21

Ready to be 🐐’d

[exstatic]

i'm beginning to wonder if the Spurs have something in place with the Warriors depending on who is taken at #1

I had a suspicion that LMA was held out of the bubble for reasons other than those stated. His surgery was only arthroscopic, and it had a couple of months to heal.

[DPG21920]

I had a suspicion that LMA was held out of the bubble for reasons other than those stated. His surgery was only arthroscopic, and it had a couple of months to heal.

Spurs just did a LMA video fwiw on Twitter. Interviewed him about the draft.

[Degoat]

Spurs just did a LMA video fwiw on Twitter. Interviewed him about the draft.

That’s not a good sign on us trading him Imo lol

[Chinook]

Guys to watch are Mills, Gay, Murray and White.

[Dverde]

If LMA wants to go out a Spur, I’m 100% on board assuming he take a sizable pay cut after this year. I figured he want to go elsewhere these couple of productive years. Guy is a HOFer and a good teammate.

[Chillen]

I am not expecting the Spurs to make any moves and will be pleasantly surprised if they did. Not sure how much legs LMA, #11 for Warriors #2, Wiggins has. Warriors are stupid though if they don't trade their pick and the Wiggins contract. They should be in win now mode. LMA would be a beast for them. If the Spurs/Warriors deal happens it will be after we find out what player gets picked at #1. Spurs must want Wiseman. So if he goes to Minny the deal is off imo.

[Chinook]

If LMA wants to go out a Spur, I’m 100% on board assuming he take a sizable pay cut after this year. I figured he want to go elsewhere these couple of productive years. Guy is a HOFer and a good teammate.

Damned straight. He should be a good player for a few more years, and the team isn't going to be doing anything until/unless they get a young stud. Keep him and draft a big behind him. Let Poeltl walk and trade DMDR for some prospects.

White
Walker
Johnson
(Young PF)
Aldridge

That would be my ideal starting unit for the next few years.

[SpurPadre]

That’s not a good sign on us trading him Imo lol

Not necessarily. It could be their way of saying farewell, no hard feelings.

[Dverde]

Damned straight. He should be a good player for a few more years, and the team isn't going to be doing anything until/unless they get a young stud. Keep him and draft a big behind him. Let Poeltl walk and trade DMDR for some prospects.

White
Walker
Johnson
(Young PF)
Aldridge

That would be my ideal starting unit for the next few years.

I love the idea of Robinson, Duncan, and LMA mentoring the next group of young bigs. I still think he is being traded and I hope he comes back to the fold when it’s all done.

[FkLA]

Without knowing anything about Wiseman, the idea of building around a center in 2020 doesn't excite me.

[BackHome]

Probably why we are even talking about the possibility of trading up to get him cause if he was that good teams would have him number one or not even entertain the thought of trading the pick. I am still not sure it will be Wiseman if we do get the number two I just have a feeling it will be someone else.

[cjw]

If the Spurs end up with Wiseman, I think you re-sign Poetl for 2yrs. You'll have to overpay on a per year basis (probably 10-12mil) but that's probably the total amount of $ he's looking at anyways even with a 3 or 4yr deal on another team.

A two year overpay is meaningless in FA (so long as you either don’t mind being in the tax, or can manage to stay below it). Spurs aren’t using cap space this summer anyway, and he becomes an expiring next summer.

A third year and an overpay is what worries me.

[CGD]

Without knowing anything about Wiseman, the idea of building around a center in 2020 doesn't excite me.

I agree. I don’t think Wiseman is their guy.

[Sugus]

Without knowing anything about Wiseman, the idea of building around a center in 2020 doesn't excite me.

The thing is - we don't have to build around Wiseman, even if we trade up for him. Considering he's raw, and hasn't played organized ball in a year, it's quite unlikely that he takes the Spurs anywhere next season, where a masterful tankjob by the FO could net us a top lottery pick, which we could actually build around, alongside Wiseman and our existing core. That's the beauty of the deal; it really accelerates a rebuild if Wiseman turns out to be the real deal. I've heard about some very nice wings going on next years' draft, and that is the type of player you build around in 2020.

[SpurPadre]

What if TD stepped down so he'd have more time to focus exclusively on mentoring and working with Wiseman to build his game?