******* 2021 Super Bowl LV Thread: Brady vs. Mahomes: The Battle of the GOATs *******

[Millennial_Messiah]

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GOAT of the Past/Present, vs. GOAT of the Future... for all the marbles, down in Tampa. Who wins it all?!????!?

I would be happy for both, quite frankly and don't have a particular rooting interest at this point, now that the team(s) I hate are eliminated and it's down to these two.

Who wins it all? :lobt:

[lefty]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[Millennial_Messiah]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

Your jinx didn't work.

Give up your schtick, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I'd personally be OK with either team winning. I actually like both QBs. Smugface Rodgers is out + the annoying obnoxious cheesehead fans are out = I'm good.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol Rockets. Harden and Paul would've found a way to choke regardless of who they played.
Exactly. I think Utah Jazz with Malone and Stockton is a better example.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Prepare for a decade of contention son.
But it'll likely take a Mahomes injury at the right time (or a one-off season ending injury like the one Brady had in '08) for the Bills to actually make the Super Bowl. They play in the conference with the perennially better QBs (though the NFC has generally better defenses and running games).

[Millennial_Messiah]

NFC has the GOAT this year though.

Official prediction:

Bucs 37
Chiefs 34

Final - OT.

MVP - Tom Brady with 3 TD, 1 INT, 300+ yards passing.

[Ghazi]

Leggo Bucs

[i'm_still_beta]

GOAT of the Past/Present, vs. GOAT of the Future... for all the marbles, down in Tampa. Who wins it all?!????!?

I would be happy for both, quite frankly and don't have a particular rooting interest at this point, now that the team(s) I hate are eliminated and it's down to these two.

Who wins it all? :lobt:

Yes. Agree 100% with your post. Personally, I like both Mahomes and Brady. Brady's youtube highlight hooked me to watch football and I'm New England fan ever since. Meanwhile Mahomes is arguably the most talented and entertaining athlete I've ever seen. I watch every single KC's game. Mahomes is must-see tv. No matter the outcome, I simply can't lose. Either Brady wins 7th and becomes more accomplished athlete than Jordan, or Mahomes wins 2nd and becomes clear goat candidate.

Outcome? I don't know. KC has weak oline and Bucs pass-rush destroyed Packers strong oline. But Mahomes is more mobile than Rodgers right now and Mahomes is also better thrower of the football under pressure. Bucs offense is strong but not that intimidating. KC has average defense, but this defense was pretty good in the playoffs.

Tampa is more balanced team with better defense and Mahomes is slightly hobbled. But in the end, I think KC will outscore the Bucs, even if Mahomes isn't 100% healthy

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yes. Agree 100% with your post. Personally, I like both Mahomes and Brady. Brady's youtube highlight hooked me to watch football and I'm New England fan ever since. Meanwhile Mahomes is arguably the most talented and entertaining athlete I've ever seen. I watch every single KC's game. Mahomes is must-see tv. No matter the outcome, I simply can't lose. Either Brady wins 7th and becomes more accomplished athlete than Jordan, or Mahomes wins 2nd and becomes clear goat candidate.

Outcome? I don't know. KC has weak oline and Bucs pass-rush destroyed Packers strong oline. But Mahomes is more mobile than Rodgers right now and Mahomes is also better thrower of the football under pressure. Bucs offense is strong but not that intimidating. KC has average defense, but this defense was pretty good in the playoffs.

Tampa is more balanced team with better defense and Mahomes is slightly hobbled. But in the end, I think KC will outscore the Bucs, even if Mahomes isn't 100% healthy
Rodgers had some brilliant throws under pressure too. Rodgers also has equal or better mobility than a hobbled Mahomes with a coach that doesn't like to risk him too much.

However Rodgers pussied out of running for the game-tying touchdown when he had a ton of space to his two o'clock with only 8 yards to go. That's why he's not the MVP IMO despite his 48 TD / 5 INT season. Great numbers on paper but small time when it counts.

[lefty]

Your jinx didn't work.

Give up your schtick, tbh.

Ah shit forgot to switch teams tbh

[FrostKing]

Where do I throwup?

Give me a few days

[Monostradamus]

Losing Fisher is huge. The only way Tampa has a chance is if Barrett & JPP dominate, and Fisher’s injury just made that easier.

[i'm_still_beta]

Rodgers had some brilliant throws under pressure too. Rodgers also has equal or better mobility than a hobbled Mahomes with a coach that doesn't like to risk him too much.

However Rodgers pussied out of running for the game-tying touchdown when he had a ton of space to his two o'clock with only 8 yards to go. That's why he's not the MVP IMO despite his 48 TD / 5 INT season. Great numbers on paper but small time when it counts.
I think Rodgers is much less athletic than he was in 2016 for example. I feel like even hobbled Mahomes is faster at this point. But I'm not sure

[i'm_still_beta]

Where do I throwup?

Give me a few days

Why're you dislike Mahomes so much?

[FrostKing]

Why're you dislike Mahomes so much?
He's chill tbh. Another Wilson

Team is incredibly arrogant. Reminds me of Seahawks

I guess this post exposes me as GO BUCS! In 2002 i rooted for Raiders.

[FrostKing]

https://youtu.be/lhf6kZCh1p4

San Diego Lyfe

[DAF86]

#TheGOATBowl

[FrostKing]

#TheGOATBowl
1997 flashbawks

[FrostKing]

Andy Reid too smart

Mahomes too Mahomes

Chiefs bbq

[Ghazi]

Losing Fisher is huge. The only way Tampa has a chance is if Barrett & JPP dominate, and Fisher’s injury just made that easier.

Monostradamus who we on?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Monostradamus who we on?

Bucs. Mahomes with the sore foot might be a pocket statue. Barrett/JPP/Vea and the blitzing LBs are like sharks in the water, and Mahomes is the shark food.

[Millennial_Messiah]

This will be key. Reid needs to come up with a game plan to minimize TB's biggest strength: their D-line. Between that widely lopsided matchup and Lucky Tom's seemingly endless fortune, I can smell the upset from a mile away.

Will Hunting it's time to get in here and #CancelCulture the "Lucky Tom" hoax once and for all :downspin: #10SuperBowlsDontLie

[SpursforSix]

From an interest standpoint, it's about as good as it gets. Young Pat Mahomes against the old GOAT. Plenty of offensive talent on both sides of the field.
Imo, it all comes down to defense. If the Bucs can get some stops, I think they win.

[Millennial_Messiah]

From an interest standpoint, it's about as good as it gets. Young Pat Mahomes against the old GOAT. Plenty of offensive talent on both sides of the field.
Imo, it all comes down to defense. If the Bucs can get some stops, I think they win.

100% Agreed. Neither offensive line is really elite (example of elite O-Lines: 2017 Eagles Super Bowl, 2014-2016 Cowboys, 2014 Packers, 2020 Packers before Bakhtiari's injury) but TB's is far better than KC's. Bucs will get some stops in the second half, like they did last game and in their first meeting, even if the Chiefs jump on them early. The Chiefs have the tendency to get figured out on offense in second halves of games this year. It will bite them in the end.

Even Atlanta "figured them out" in the second half of that game the Chiefs needed to clinch the conference regular season title, tbh. Yes, the same Atlanta defense that gave up 400 second half yards to Dak Prescott in the same season.

[FrostKing]

Will offensive holds be called unlike last years SB

[SpursforSix]

100% Agreed. Neither offensive line is really elite (example of elite O-Lines: 2017 Eagles Super Bowl, 2014-2016 Cowboys, 2014 Packers, 2020 Packers before Bakhtiari's injury) but TB's is far better than KC's. Bucs will get some stops in the second half, like they did last game and in their first meeting, even if the Chiefs jump on them early. The Chiefs have the tendency to get figured out on offense in second halves of games this year. It will bite them in the end.

Even Atlanta "figured them out" in the second half of that game the Chiefs needed to clinch the conference regular season title, tbh. Yes, the same Atlanta defense that gave up 400 second half yards to Dak Prescott in the same season.

Plus, a "home" game for TB. Should be a good game. I just can't see the Chiefs stopping TB more than TB stops the Chiefs. Brady seems to be in a groove and they've got good to great WR from 1 to 4. Then pretty good TE with Brate and Gronk. Neither team has a great running game but I'd have to give the edge to TB there as well.

[MultiTroll]

Will BradyRef make key appearances?

Yes.

[Fat Brandon Bass]

https://youtu.be/lhf6kZCh1p4

San Diego Lyfe

Only thing memorable about that Superbowl was one of the Raiders' starting offensive lineman running off to Mexico the day before and getting so drunk he couldn't play

[FrostKing]

Only thing memorable about that Superbowl was one of the Raiders' starting offensive lineman running off to Mexico the day before and getting so drunk he couldn't play
Conspiracy

Raiders strike first but fade quickly. I rewatched. Bucs struggle with hurry up.

Raiders were primed for the Win. Could not overcome Bucs D.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Over/Under: 999.5 pounds combined for this year's Super Bowl head coaching duo?

#FatLivesMatter

[SpursforSix]

Over/Under: 999.5 pounds combined for this year's Super Bowl head coaching duo?

#FatLivesMatter

I'll take the under. Faggot.

[spurraider21]

Only thing memorable about that Superbowl was one of the Raiders' starting offensive lineman running off to Mexico the day before and getting so drunk he couldn't play
first team all pro goes missing right before the superbowl against one of the stacked defenses in NFL history

[Millennial_Messiah]

first team all pro goes missing right before the superbowl against one of the stacked defenses in NFL history

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In the 2002 NFL season (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NFL_season) with Bill Callahan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Callahan_(American_football)) in his first year as head coach, Robbins rebounded strongly by starting all 16 regular season games and making the Pro Bowl (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Bowl). Oakland won the AFC west for the third straight year, with an 11–5 record, scoring 450 points (28.1 points/game), 2nd of 32 teams in the NFL. In the 2002–03 NFL playoffs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002%E2%80%9303_NFL_playoffs), the Raiders defeated the New York Jets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets) again with 399 total yards, with an offensive line composed of Robbins, Frank Middleton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Middleton) and Mo Collins (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mo_Collins_(American_Football)&action=edit&redlink=1) at guard, Barry Sims (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sims) and Lincoln Kennedy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Kennedy) at tackle. The Raiders then beat with the same offensive line the Tennessee Titans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Titans) in the AFC championship game, gaining 375 total yards.
Then, inexplicably, the day before Super Bowl XXXVII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_XXXVII), Robbins was reported as missing for most of the day before the game after not taking his depression (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depression_(mood)) medication. When he resurfaced that night, he was so incoherent that he didn't even know where he was.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barret_Robbins#cite_note-WaPoDismiss-2) According to one of his teammates, Robbins didn't even recognize Callahan. Despite this, Al Davis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Davis) still wanted Robbins in the game, and development coach Willie Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(American_football)) had Robbins running sprints in the parking lot on the morning of the game to see if he could still play.[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barret_Robbins#cite_note-3)
Callahan had initially intended to let Robbins play, but not start. However, he ultimately decided to suspend Robbins for the game after concluding that he was not fit to take the field at all. He initially wanted to fly Robbins back to Oakland, but was unable to get him a plane ticket because he was missing his wallet and identification.[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barret_Robbins#cite_note-WaPoDismiss-2) He spent 30 days at the Betty Ford Center (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_Ford_Center), during which time he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder) (or manic-depressive disorder). He'd been diagnosed with depression while at TCU, but it is common for the two to be confused in the early stages. It turned out that he had gone into a manic episode after not taking his medication. According to his wife, Robbins spent most of the day before the Super Bowl partying across the border in Tijuana (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tijuana), Mexico (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico); he had thought the Raiders already won the game and he was celebrating their "victory."[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barret_Robbins#cite_note-Knapp-4) With Adam Treu (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Treu) as the starting center, the Raiders were blown out in an ugly loss in the Super Bowl to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers), 48–21.

[spurraider21]

to be fair the raiders tackles got whipped all game, wasnt primarily guys up the middle

but a forgotten note of that superbowl is that with like 6-7 minutes to go the raiders actually got it down to a 2 possession game

tampa had 2 pick-sixes in the last 90 seconds of the game

[Millennial_Messiah]

to be fair the raiders tackles got whipped all game, wasnt primarily guys up the middle

but a forgotten note of that superbowl is that with like 6-7 minutes to go the raiders actually got it down to a 2 possession game

tampa had 2 pick-sixes in the last 90 seconds of the game
To be fair I thought the Raiders 2001 team was a little better, even despite a worse record and a poor showing in December, 01. Should have been the Super Bowl champions that year IMO and trading Gruden was the weirdest trade in sports history.

[spurraider21]

To be fair I thought the Raiders 2001 team was a little better, even despite a worse record and a poor showing in December, 01. Should have been the Super Bowl champions that year IMO and trading Gruden was the weirdest trade in sports history.
was a great trade for the raiders but they didnt do shit with the draft picks. used the 2 first rounders on Phillip Buchanon and Tyler Brayton

buchanon wasn't bad. he was explosive, a big play guy, but ultimately pretty volatile, kinda like a worse marcus peters. but only lasted a few years on the team

[Mark Celibate]

Conspiracy

Raiders strike first but fade quickly. I rewatched. Bucs struggle with hurry up.

Raiders were primed for the Win. Could not overcome Bucs D.


first team all pro goes missing right before the superbowl against one of the stacked defenses in NFL history

I've watched a couple of videos on this. Apparently Callahan had planned to go 'run-heavy' all week leading up to the Super Bowl. This made sense considering the massive size advantage their offensive line had over the small, but quick Tampa D-line. However, the Friday before he decided to ditch that plan at the last minute in favor of a pass-heavy offense. This decision led to a few conspiracy theories. There was some speculation that this last-minute change caused Robbins to go over the edge and triggered his manic episode. Other Raider players even went as far as to say that Callahan intentionally tanked the Super Bowl so that his buddy Gruden would win. This seems ludicrous to me. Intentionally tanking a Super Bowl, which would essentially guarantee you an NFL job for life if it was on your resume. But even when guys like Jerry Rice say that it was likely he tanked, it's hard to outright dismiss it.


IMO, this was one of the most interesting Super Bowls in NFL history considering all the storylines despite the fact that the game itself was forgettable.

[FrostKing]

I've watched a couple of videos on this. Apparently Callahan had planned to go 'run-heavy' all week leading up to the Super Bowl. This made sense considering the massive size advantage their offensive line had over the small, but quick Tampa D-line. However, the Friday before he decided to ditch that plan at the last minute in favor of a pass-heavy offense. This decision led to a few conspiracy theories. There was some speculation that this last-minute change caused Robbins to go over the edge and triggered his manic episode. Other Raider players even went as far as to say that Callahan intentionally tanked the Super Bowl so that his buddy Gruden would win. This seems ludicrous to me. Intentionally tanking a Super Bowl, which would essentially guarantee you an NFL job for life if it was on your resume. But even when guys like Jerry Rice say that it was likely he tanked, it's hard to outright dismiss it.


IMO, this was one of the most interesting Super Bowls in NFL history considering all the storylines despite the fact that the game itself was forgettable.
I do remember hearing of this massive strategy overhaul late in the SB week. Great case of circumstance as what if the game isn't played in Southern California allowing Robbins to cross the border and pound margaritas (and Latinas?) :lol

Obviously 18 years ago the media coverage was not as immense. But this was 4 years after Eugene Robinson in Miami. Indeed the games were usually blowouts at that time but some great story lines!

[FrostKing]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Antonio Brown, Antoine Winfield, Jordan Whitehead all good to go for all the marbles on the line. All hands on deck. Except the Chiefs' offensive line, of course. I expect Mahomes to get hit a ton and be a sitting duck back there.

[FrostKing]

Antonio Brown, Antoine Winfield, Jordan Whitehead all good to go for all the marbles on the line. All hands on deck. Except the Chiefs' offensive line, of course. I expect Mahomes to get hit a ton and be a sitting duck back there.
NFL will cuddle him like last years SB

[Millennial_Messiah]

NFL will cuddle him like last years SB

Dude, get over it. There was no hold on Bosa and Mahomes' play on 3rd and forever was fantastic. The 49ers lost; they chokedPERIOD.

[FrostKing]

Dude, get over it. There was no hold on Bosa and Mahomes' play on 3rd and forever was fantastic. The 49ers lost; they chokedPERIOD.
No hold?

He was about to toss his 3rd+ INT of the game

[Millennial_Messiah]

No hold?

He was about to toss his 3rd+ INT of the game

Jet. Chip. Wasp. Tyreek Hill caught it with no 49er in sight. INT? He was wiiiiiiiide open. The corner blew his cover 3 assignment and took the square in route. You're lucky the deep single high safety even made the tackle or it would have been an even bigger rout. 49ers lost, get over it. #DoesItHurt

[FrostKing]

Jet. Chip. Wasp. Tyreek Hill caught it with no 49er in sight. INT? He was wiiiiiiiide open. The corner blew his cover 3 assignment and took the square in route. You're lucky the deep single high safety even made the tackle or it would have been an even bigger rout. 49ers lost, get over it. #DoesItHurt
It would have been 3rd and 25 deep in their own zone. Coming off drive that ended in INT.

He was primed for a 3rd turnover.

49ers choked and Mahomes was cuddled. The two don't have to be exclusive.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It would have been 3rd and 25 deep in their own zone. Coming off drive that ended in INT.

He was primed for a 3rd turnover.

49ers choked and Mahomes was cuddled. The two don't have to be exclusive.
There was no hold, Mahomes took a 12 step drop back and chucked a beautiful bomb directly into the bucket for a hole in one. Mahomes was great and the 49ers choked, period. Refs were fair on both sides.

[FrostKing]

There was no hold, Mahomes took a 12 step drop back and chucked a beautiful bomb directly into the bucket for a hole in one. Mahomes was great and the 49ers choked, period. Refs were fair on both sides.
https://i.ibb.co/7t2hPvk/EQNLmtd-UEAATXZo.jpg

It was 3rd and Long following an INT. He asked in the huddle if the offensive line could give him enough time. Fisher responded with chokehold on Bosa.

Mahomes was about to cough up the ball a 3rd time in desperation

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://i.ibb.co/7t2hPvk/EQNLmtd-UEAATXZo.jpg

It was 3rd and Long following an INT. He asked in the huddle if the offensive line could give him enough time. Fisher responded with chokehold on Bosa.

Mahomes was about to cough up the ball a 3rd time in desperation

It wasn't a hold and it was a deep bomb and the Niners lost. End of story.

[Will Hunting]

https://i.ibb.co/7t2hPvk/EQNLmtd-UEAATXZo.jpg

It was 3rd and Long following an INT. He asked in the huddle if the offensive line could give him enough time. Fisher responded with chokehold on Bosa.

Mahomes was about to cough up the ball a 3rd time in desperation
Probably a hold but that’s not some obvious call the refs missed. Holding is the most missed call in the NFL. I would have much rather seen Jimmy Wop win last year but I don’t think you can blame them losing on the refs not calling every single holding penalty.

[Neo.]

to be fair the raiders tackles got whipped all game, wasnt primarily guys up the middle

but a forgotten note of that superbowl is that with like 6-7 minutes to go the raiders actually got it down to a 2 possession game

tampa had 2 pick-sixes in the last 90 seconds of the game

yeah, and if they just kicked the XPs, they would have been within 10 in the 4th with over 6 minutes to go, against a tampa offense that completely puttered out. that could have changed their approach drastically late in the game.

[DAF86]

You can't use a picture to declare for sure there's a hold or not, you need to watch the play on real time.

[Neo.]

No hold?

He was about to toss his 3rd+ INT of the game

proof?

[Spurtacular]

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[FrostKing]

You can't use a picture to declare for sure there's a hold or not, you need to watch the play on real time.
Glad you finally chimed in.

49ers choked. Mahomes was cuddled

IMO. Team is down double digits, late in game, late in downs, coming off turnover - refs turn the other cheek

Telling you right now. Lose Sunday and this is Elway without the weapons or cuddling

[Millennial_Messiah]

Now the word is Dak wants a 3 year deal so his contract will end as new TV contract has to be negotiated - it’s all about the money.
Fuck Quack Prescott. Let him go to the Colts or Bears or wherever. If he goes to a cold weather team he'll truly be exposed because his QBR in cold games is downright atrocious.

[Millennial_Messiah]

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And the Left doesn't think reverse racism is a thing? Jalina Porter should get shot.

[FrostKing]

And the Left doesn't think reverse racism is a thing? Jalina Porter should get shot.
No politics brother.

[Millennial_Messiah]

No politics brother.

Only if the Left doesn't start shit first.

[Millennial_Messiah]

small rumbles about the raiders making a move... but as has been the case since gruden took over, the whole "raiders want to move on from carr" narrative has been entirely media driven, and doesnt seem to reflect what gruden actually thinks

but per the Las Vegas Review Journal, there are teams that are expected to try to trade for Carr (teams like the Colts or WFT who dont really have the assets to get watson). and then depending on how much compensation the raiders can get, they would pull the trigger if they can get enough capital to trade for watson. so would effectively be a 3 team deal, even if executed separately.

eg, if the raiders can get a 1 and a 2/3 for carr, they flip both of those, and 2 first rounders of their own for watson

i would think you kind of have to make that move to land a top 5 QB at age 25... but i dont even think the move would really pay dividends for at least a few years. the raiders didnt miss the playoffs because of their QB play, and by trading all that for watson, you're really just hampering your ability to improve the defense, which really is the raiders' limiting factor right now.

but imo, most likely result is that the raiders hang onto carr. gruden likes him, and it would be bizarre to choose to move on from him now after his best season. i'd rather just see the raiders trade mariota for a day 2/3 pick, and use that capital to bolster the defense.
I'm not sure Watson is significantly better than Carr, except perhaps as a runner. Watson and Prescott both have quite a knack for piling up big stats when playing from way behind and then coming up just short at the end.

[spurraider21]

I'm not sure Watson is significantly better than Carr, except perhaps as a runner. Watson and Prescott both have quite a knack for piling up big stats when playing from way behind and then coming up just short at the end.
he's a much better talent overall. more aggressive downfield thrower too. would have some growing pains because gruden tends to emphasize more quick hitters, but Watson could unleash Ruggs and even Agholor a bit more.

carr might be better from 0-15 yards, but watson's big play ability + his mobility is something else.

[Millennial_Messiah]

he's a much better talent overall. more aggressive downfield thrower too. would have some growing pains because gruden tends to emphasize more quick hitters, but Watson could unleash Ruggs and even Agholor a bit more.

carr might be better from 0-15 yards, but watson's big play ability + his mobility is something else.

Carr + Agholor was a pretty damn good combo last year. I thought Agholor was a complete dud because he sucked with Carson Wentz, but Carr brought out the best in him.

I think Ruggs is just another John Ross III (Bengals), he won't amount to much more than a gadget guy and an occasional deep threat like a Tavon Austin. Overdrafted tbh.

[SpursforSix]

he's a much better talent overall. more aggressive downfield thrower too. would have some growing pains because gruden tends to emphasize more quick hitters, but Watson could unleash Ruggs and even Agholor a bit more.

carr might be better from 0-15 yards, but watson's big play ability + his mobility is something else.

I don't know that it'd be that big adjustment. Watson threw a lot of quick hit plays when he had Hopkins. Comparing Carr's last two years to Hopkins prior to sans-Hopkins and they're not too far apart on Y/A.
Also, with a top level RB, Watson could have a nice uptick in rushing yards.

[spurraider21]

Carr + Agholor was a pretty damn good combo last year. I thought Agholor was a complete dud because he sucked with Carson Wentz, but Carr brought out the best in him.

I think Ruggs is just another John Ross III (Bengals), he won't amount to much more than a gadget guy and an occasional deep threat like a Tavon Austin. Overdrafted tbh.
look at what watson does with deep threats... tantalizing. he buys them the time that carr cant to win downfield

[spurraider21]

I don't know that it'd be that big adjustment. Watson threw a lot of quick hit plays when he had Hopkins. Comparing Carr's last two years to Hopkins prior to sans-Hopkins and they're not too far apart on Y/A.
true. i have no doubt that watson would be an upgrade to carr tbh :lol

i think the raiders should do it if they can without having to move waller, though like i said, the move wouldnt pay dividends probably for 2-3 years

[Millennial_Messiah]

look at what watson does with deep threats... tantalizing. he buys them the time that carr cant to win downfield

That's on the oline... err, covidline, tbh :lol

[spurraider21]

That's on the oline... err, covidline, tbh :lol
independent of line play, watson can buy more time than carr can

[Millennial_Messiah]

independent of line play, watson can buy more time than carr can

Really? Because I've seen Carr buy lots of time plenty of times. He's not like Watson in that he's not going to scramble 40 yards for a rushing touchdown, but he's more than capable of picking up the first with his legs on 3rd & medium, or scrambling around the periphery of the pocket to buy time for a guy like Waller to come open. I watched quite a few Raiders games last year. Carr isn't the problem.

That Raiders defense on the other hand......

[spurraider21]

Really? Because I've seen Carr buy lots of time plenty of times. He's not like Watson in that he's not going to scramble 40 yards for a rushing touchdown, but he's more than capable of picking up the first with his legs on 3rd & medium, or scrambling around the periphery of the pocket to buy time for a guy like Waller to come open. I watched quite a few Raiders games last year. Carr isn't the problem.

That Raiders defense on the other hand......
are you seriously arguing that watson is no better at eluding pressure to buy time :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

are you seriously arguing that watson is no better at eluding pressure to buy time :lol

He's a tougher and bigger body to bring down, I'll give him that

[spurraider21]

He's a tougher and bigger body to bring down, I'll give him that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25tt_WrazQ

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g25tt_WrazQ
I just don't think he's worth giving up the farm for when you already have a top 10 caliber quarterback and offense. The issue for the Raiders is they need to trade for khalil mack and aaron donald. Too bad one of them they already had

[spurraider21]

I just don't think he's worth giving up the farm for when you already have a top 10 caliber quarterback and offense. The issue for the Raiders is they need to trade for khalil mack and aaron donald. Too bad one of them they already had
Carr is fringe top 10... like any given year he can be somewhere between 10 and 18 or so. he was probably top 10 in 2020, which he hadnt been since 2016

with watson you know you're getting a top 5 guy for a decade.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Now if you're talking about Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders then that's a whole different dynamic. You're talking about a transcendent QB who can take a terrible defense, mediocrely coached team to 13-3 and perennial contention as long as he's healthy.

Watson on the other hand? Good slate of receivers, good offense... terrible defense, bad coaching staff, 4-12. Not a transcendent QB. Watson and Carr are both solid QBs but winning with them requires a good overall team, you can't just have a trashy defense and OL and/or coaching staff and expect to win double digits and make the playoffs every year like a Brady/Mahomes/Rodgers.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Carr is fringe top 10... like any given year he can be somewhere between 10 and 18 or so. he was probably top 10 in 2020, which he hadnt been since 2016

with watson you know you're getting a top 5 guy for a decade.
Top 5 doesn't go 4-12 when healthy all 16 games, I don't care how bad his defense or coaching staff is. Transcendent QBs don't go 4-12 healthy regardless of the team around him. (And Watson had some damn good receivers in Houston, even without Dropkins.) Top 5 QBs are transcendent.

[spurraider21]

Now if you're talking about Aaron Rodgers to the Raiders then that's a whole different dynamic. You're talking about a transcendent QB who can take a terrible defense, mediocrely coached team to 13-3 and perennial contention as long as he's healthy.

Watson on the other hand? Good slate of receivers, good offense... terrible defense, bad coaching staff, 4-12. Not a transcendent QB. Watson and Carr are both solid QBs but winning with them requires a good overall team, you can't just have a trashy defense and OL and/or coaching staff and expect to win double digits and make the playoffs every year like a Brady/Mahomes/Rodgers.
watson is 12 years younger. i love rodgers but selling the farm for 3-4 years isn't worth. theres no guarantee he'll have brady's longevity. with watson you can bank on a decade

[Millennial_Messiah]

Mahomes has had one of the worst olines in the NFL all year, granted his WR/TE corps is elite, but the Chiefs defense is also suspect, good coach, above average special teams. But with Watson that would stack up to around 9-7. With Mahomes, 14-1 and two bye weeks.

[Millennial_Messiah]

watson is 12 years younger. i love rodgers but selling the farm for 3-4 years isn't worth. theres no guarantee he'll have brady's longevity. with watson you can bank on a decade

You can't really "bank on a decade" with a guy who puts his body in jeopardy as much as a Watson/Jackson tbh.

Rodgers might not have Brady's longevity but he's smart AF and knows how not to get injured trying to compete for a critical first down, especially at this point in his career post-Anthony Barr collision

Watson or Prescott for a decade is fine but at Tier 2 salary, not Tier 1, because they are QBs you need the right parts around to win and contend for a SB. Not necessarily 2017 Eagles level roster where a Tier 3 QB could win a SB but at least ample, which the Raiders don't have especially on defense

[spurraider21]

Top 5 doesn't go 4-12 when healthy all 16 games, I don't care how bad his defense or coaching staff is. Transcendent QBs don't go 4-12 healthy regardless of the team around him. (And Watson had some damn good receivers in Houston, even without Dropkins.) Top 5 QBs are transcendent.
watson did have good receivers and parlayed that into 4800 yards and 33 TDs without factoring in rushing.

[spurraider21]

You can't really "bank on a decade" with a guy who puts his body in jeopardy as much as a Watson/Jackson tbh.

Rodgers might not have Brady's longevity but he's smart AF and knows how not to get injured trying to compete for a critical first down, especially at this point in his career post-Anthony Barr collision

Watson or Prescott for a decade is fine but at Tier 2 salary, not Tier 1, because they are QBs you need the right parts around to win and contend for a SB. Not necessarily 2017 Eagles level roster where a Tier 3 QB could win a SB but at least ample, which the Raiders don't have especially on defense
watson is more wilson than jackson

[Millennial_Messiah]

1) Brady
2) Mahomes
3) Rodgers
4) Allen
5) Wilson

6-10 is really sketchy... that's where Tier 2 starts IMO. Big Ben, Lawrence, Stafford, Watson, Carr, Ryan, Mayfield, even Jackson all deserve consideration... but where? Not much separation there IMO. And Prescott isn't even Tier 2 until he proves it coming back from the broken leg.

[Millennial_Messiah]

watson is more wilson than jackson

Maybe in 2020; I didn't catch much of Houston this past year because they sucked, and Watson didn't elevate them to wins like great QBs do. He lost all the close games which makes him a Tier 2 QB.

All I know is I remember Watson tearing his knee trying to make a play in mid 2017, being constantly hurt in 2018, getting poked in the eye trying to make a play in 2019 (against the Raiders!) and going 4-12 last year.

I don't care about how bad his D or HC were. I don't. Rodgers played with a suckass D and fat mike for a decade and consistently won when he wasn't injured. Mahomes won a super bowl with a suckass D and a lousy offensive line and running game.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Long story short...

If Watson goes to a contender, a team like the Bears or Colts who's a "QB away" he'll look like a Tier 1 QB if they make a deep playoff run.

If Watson goes to a team like the Jets, and the Jets have to trade all their premium draft capital in the process, the Jets will improve from 2 wins to 4 and wonder what the fuck went wrong. Because they're the Jets and a talent-starved roster. And Watson will be proven as another overpaid Tier 2 guy. (Cousins is arguably Tier 2 / Tier 3 depending on the day.)

[FrostKing]

Might do the sober Super Bowl

Back in Bucs/Raiders. I was with my lovegirl. Cool remebering.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Might do the sober Super Bowl

Back in Bucs/Raiders. I was with my lovegirl. Cool remebering.

Which one? :lol the Polish one or the Jewish one or the Latina one or the Southeast Asian ladyboy?

[Brazil]

:lol can’t believe Brady made the POS again and this time with freaking buccs so much for the Brady is a belli system player

[DAF86]

Top 5 doesn't go 4-12 when healthy all 16 games, I don't care how bad his defense or coaching staff is. Transcendent QBs don't go 4-12 healthy regardless of the team around him. (And Watson had some damn good receivers in Houston, even without Dropkins.) Top 5 QBs are transcendent.

Didn't Rodgers go like 6-10 one season after already being a SB winner? Similar with Brady who missed the playoffs after winning his first?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Didn't Rodgers go like 6-10 one season after already being a SB winner? Similar with Brady who missed the playoffs after winning his first?

Brady went 9-7 and the defense was injury plagued. But still should have been good enough for a WC spot. Would have in today's league.

Rodgers did have a 6-9-1 season in 2018, but that was after he mailed it in due to wanting to get McCarthy booted out of town. Plus incredibly/historically difficult mid season schedule

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/q749hgt/image0-2.jpg

[Boston Pancake]

Chefs 38
Tampon Gay 3

TOM SHADY AND ROB McGRONK, THE TWO BIGGEST TRAITORS SINCE ADAM VINAQUEERI & BENEDICT FAHKIN ARNOLD, WILL NEVER WIN WITHOUT BILLY McBELICHICK!!!!!!!

[Millennial_Messiah]

Chefs 38
Tampon Gay 3

Imagine if that's the score at halftime and Brady scores five TDs in a row, the Bucs shutout the Chiefs in the second half and the Bucs get the ball first and Tampa Tom throws a TD in overtime. Imagine the legend!!

[Trainwreck2100]

kansas city child killers should lose

[spurraider21]

:lmao drew pearson in the HOF?

that guys like Pearson and Swann are in the hall but not Cliff Branch is just absurd

[Robz4000]

I got:

Chiefs 35
Bucs 24

[FrostKing]

All my bros betting Bucs. I think the Chiefs battered offensive line and the awful Chiefs goal line defense; could be difference.

I think the Chiefs are primed for a humbling. On and off the field. Maybe they still eventually deserve the title of greatness but not yet and not after last years Super Bowl performance.

Bucs - upper 30s
Chiefs - mid 30s

Another classic game

[Millennial_Messiah]

Happy Big Game Day!! Happy Super Bowl Sunday!!!

[SuperCam]

don't care who wins but we can all celebrate the Aints and Fraudgers once again not playing :toast

[Millennial_Messiah]

don't care who wins but we can all celebrate the Aints and Fraudgers once again not playing :toast

And Belicheat, tbh.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Tonight I'll be in Fort Worth near keller with my best friend, his wife and friends from our old paintball team back in our UNT days, watching the game eating playing pool boozing it up, so likely won't be active on here during the game this year. But I'll sure as hell be watching. :toast

[monosylab1k]

My heart wants to see Tommy get one more. But the Chiefs juggernaut is just impossible to beat right now. You have to play a perfect game to have a chance to beat them, and you still might lose. And the Bucs, despite getting here, haven’t shown that they can consistently execute at that level. Brady got here, not because he played at a championship level, but because Brees/Rodgers proved to be bigger TOSB’s than him.

[Millennial_Messiah]

My heart wants to see Tommy get one more. But the Chiefs juggernaut is just impossible to beat right now. You have to play a perfect game to have a chance to beat them, and you still might lose. And the Bucs, despite getting here, haven’t shown that they can consistently execute at that level. Brady got here, not because he played at a championship level, but because Brees/Rodgers proved to be bigger TOSB’s than him.
I don't quite agree with this post.

The Chiefs have looked very beatable outside of the Buffalo game(s) this year. A lot of one score games where they were a failed conversion on third down on offense away from giving the ball back to the other team with plenty of time. Almost lost at home to a bottom feeder (Atlanta). They haven't really been their dominant selves for awhile.

Both teams are stellar on offense and the Bucs have the superior defense. It will come down to mistakes... if Brady and company can avoid turnovers, and the Bucs win the sack and maybe strip sack Mahomes once or twice, the Bucs have the upper hand. If Brady plays like he did in the first two New Orleans games or his receivers fuck him over like the second half of the GB game, then the Chiefs have the upper hand.

Brees being a TOSB I fully understand, but Rodgers? Come on. His only one turnover was a questionable no-call defensive holding and while he did take 5 sacks, only 1 of them was a coverage sack and the other 4 were because the backups on the GB OL couldn't hold up for even an instant. And not running on 3rd and goal? Yeah he had space but he might not have had the touchdown, and he was probably thinking four-down territory and not that LaFleur would kick a field goal at that point.

Antonio Brown was a key absence in the GB game. If they had had him, a critical chain moving slot receiver, the GB second half would not have been nearly so close. Evans was abysmal, the running game was anemic and Brady had very few options to turn to. Having Brown back to complete their receiving corps is a huge win for the Bucs offense. As is getting Watkins back (who had a monster SB last year) for the Chiefs, so I definitely expect nothing less than a shootout.

[DAF86]

5VishI6TKSM

[DAF86]

Bucs chose to go with the away kit? Weird, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

All in on KC 1st half -1.5

[lefty]

Whats this , Disney Channel?

[monosylab1k]

Bucs chose to go with the away kit? Weird, tbh.

White jerseys win way more often in the Super Bowl. Brady is 4-1 wearing white. I know that’s an entirely meaningless stat, but these guys are all superstitious.

[Raven]

game hasn't even started and i'm already annoyed

[FrostKing]

Black Entertainment Television

Trying to trick the world into thinking this is Nigeria

[DAF86]

That Bucs D-line making their presence felt.

[Spurtacular]

This is feeling like it's going to be a KC blowout.

[DAF86]

This is feeling like it's going to be a KC blowout.

That first KC drive didn't look promising for them, tbh.

[DAF86]

That Bucs' punter choking so far.

[Spurtacular]

Black Entertainment Television

Trying to trick the world into thinking this is Nigeria

Entertainment is as rigged as everything else.

[monosylab1k]

Anytime KC is forced to punt you gotta capitaize. Really bad start for Tompa.

[monosylab1k]

JPP getting pushed around so far

[FrostKing]

Mahomes taking a dump in Super Bowl again

Jimmy beat this guy

[DAF86]

Damn, that went right through Hill's hands.

[monosylab1k]

Mahomes taking a dump in Super Bowl again

Jimmy beat this guy

He threw a dart sidearmed, on the run, that bounced off Tyreek’s face mask, wtf are you talking about?

[DAF86]

KC needs to start calling some screen plays. Use the Bucs' agressiveness against themselves.

[DAF86]

KC needs to start calling some screen plays. Use the Bucs' agressiveness against themselves.

TB doing this and it pays dividends.

[DAF86]

First TD drive on a 1st Q of a SB for Brady.

[monosylab1k]

WE AIN’T

GOIN


NOWHERE

[ducks]

Brady to Gronkowski for the touchdown. Bucs lead, and Brady and Gronk pass Montana and Rice for most playoff touchdowns in NFL history with 13.

[i'm_still_beta]

First TD drive on a 1st Q of a SB for Brady.
Belichick was holding him back. 40 tds season for the 2nd time, 1st qt td in Super Bowl

[FrostKing]

SKI

Polish power strikes again

[Spurtacular]

I liked TB +3.5. But not enough to drive out to Vegas for it.

[FrostKing]

1-7

3 yards

[TheCultOfPersonality]

I have to admit, the State Farm commercials have improved since getting rid of that annoying sports agent.

[DAF86]

lol that weak ass flag.

[Spurtacular]

Got to go for it.

[DAF86]

What a fucking stand. Watch the Bradyrefs reverse that though.

[Spurtacular]

I think an angle is going to show the ball crossing the plane unless that ball was more tucked than Reck's nuts on a Saturday night.

[monosylab1k]

I think an angle is going to show the ball crossing the plane unless that ball was more tucked than Reck's nuts on a Saturday night.

:lol

[i'm_still_beta]

if not for that fatass dropping sure td pass ...

[spurraider21]

And that stop is why “Brady just stat pads short touchdowns” arguments are retarded

[monosylab1k]

If KC goes 99 yds here, this game is over. Mentally that’s a killer.

[Spurtacular]

Way to run the ball into your lineman's ass like as if he was Reck on a Saturday night.

[Bynumite]

The fat bastard that got hit in the face mask gotta feel pretty stupid right about now.

[FrostKing]

Mahomes needs NFL to rescue again

[Spurtacular]

Ankles grabbed. Ball dropped. Too easy at this point.

[Robz4000]

Mahomes looks like ass so far, albeit the Chiefs are missing their best oline men.

[Neo.]

Way to run the ball into your lineman's ass like as if he was Reck on a Saturday night.

the first one was funny

stop while you're ahead, derp

[DAF86]

That Bucs D-line making their presence felt.

This has been the key so far. Mahomes is running for his life out there. Reid not calling a great game so far.

[Neo.]

Mahomes looks like ass so far, albeit the Chiefs are missing their best oline men.

a couple of bad drops doesn't help either

[FrostKing]

Mahomes looks like ass so far, albeit the Chiefs are missing their best oline men.
Turnovers incoming


Trolling aside imagine this guy less weapons and coaching

[Robz4000]

a couple of bad drops doesn't help either

:lol that Hill drop

[Robz4000]

Turnovers incoming


Trolling aside imagine this guy less weapons and coaching

He'd be Aaron Rodgers

[Neo.]

Turnovers incoming


Trolling aside imagine this guy less weapons and coaching

lol bitter
lol 49ers
lol lost

[i'm_still_beta]

This has been the key so far. Mahomes is running for his life out there. Reid not calling a great game so far.
With or without pressure, Mahomes has been mediocre so far

[DAF86]

Of course Brady gets bailed out. :lol

[DAF86]

Where's the flag there? Fucking rigged :lmao

[Neo.]

Of course Brady gets bailed out. :lol

lol yeah that call was kinda weak

[Spurtacular]

Chief DBs holding on every play. Bucrefs just gonna flag em on TOs. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Brady had like three guys he could hit for the first down and he throws that sh**.

[DAF86]

Chief DBs holding on every play. Bucrefs just gonna flag em on TOs. :lol

There was no hold on that play.

[DAF86]

Another one. :lol

[DAF86]

'18 AFC championship flashbacks. :lol

[i'm_still_beta]

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

:lol poor Julian Edelman watching this game from his couch

[FrostKing]

Chiefs getting 1st Half ass kicking again

NFL to the rescue.

No Kittle flag this time

[Robz4000]

:lol these are some awful calls. Still, Brady is just toying with the Chiefs right now. Mahomes needs to respond here or the game may already be over.

[Canyonero]

If KC win they should be renamed the Kansas City Mahomes

[i'm_still_beta]

Time for Mahomes to show up

[Robz4000]

:lol Tide wins best SB commercial

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Poor George Costanza.

[Spurtacular]

No intentional grounding?

[DAF86]

That's just pathetic from the Chiefs' O-line.

[Robz4000]

Welp, that wasn't ideal.

[Mark Celibate]

:lol African spear chucker mentality
:lol incapable of just getting back to the huddle
:lol going full ooga booga and risking a 15 yard taunting penalty takes precedent over getting a stop

[monosylab1k]

:lol poor Julian Edelman watching this game from his couch

https://i.ibb.co/68NFdzM/684639-D8-9550-4300-9-C06-4704-D8-FAD67-E.jpg

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/WVt8RVW/45303.jpg

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Gwen Stefani looking hot.

[DAF86]

Watch Reid call TOs here only to see it backfire on his face.

[DAF86]

Why the fuck is Reid calling a TO with a 3rd and 1 to go? :lol

[Mark Celibate]

Roooofffflllll

[DAF86]

Watch Reid call TOs here only to see it backfire on his face.

More seen than Titanic. :lol

[DAF86]

Brady didn't even knos they had a TO. Smartest QB my ass. :lol

[Robz4000]

Such awful stuff all around by KC.

[DAF86]

It is so obvious TB is getting a TD here. :lol

[Spurtacular]

Brady didn't even knos they had a TO. Smartest QB my ass. :lol

I think he wanted to keep the TO. But perhaps not great with that time.

[DAF86]

Flagfest.

[resistanze]

Calling timouts when getting the ball back after halftime :lol

[Robz4000]

:lmao Jesus fuck that ball was uncatchable

[i'm_still_beta]

Brady didn't even knos they had a TO. Smartest QB my ass. :lol
Maybe he wanted to save it for run play.

[Mark Celibate]

What a meltdown tbh

[monosylab1k]

Flagfest.

They’ve all been completely legit except for one iffy call. KC is killing themselves, this isn’t a ref bailout by any stretch.

[DAF86]

It is so obvious TB is getting a TD here. :lol

That's game sons. :lol

[Canyonero]

Game over

[FrostKing]

BosaHold.JPG

Told you fellas

[DAF86]

They’ve all been completely legit except for one iffy call. KC is killing themselves, this isn’t a ref bailout by any stretch.

They have all been soft, except one blatant awful call that should have ended in a Brady interception.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao Jesus fuck that ball was uncatchable
Probably but not blatant enough to hold the flag. The corner shouldn’t have tripped him and left it up to the refs.

[i'm_still_beta]

:lol
1358579601417641987

[Bynumite]

Wow. Look at Brady having a worse season than Belichick.

What a tired old shit bag.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao Jesus fuck that ball was uncatchable

Still illegal contact beyond five yards.

Chiefs need to knock off the horse sh** and play football.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Whats the point of that taunt? Your down by double digits.

[Canyonero]

Not sure which ref deserves MVP so far tbh

[monosylab1k]

They have all been soft, except one blatant awful call that should have ended in a Brady interception.

:lmao they’re grabbing on every play, and for once the refs are calling it. Tough shit.

[Raven]

well that was quite the half

[Will Hunting]

:lmao that filthy hoodrat chimp Mathieu trying to talk shit to Brady after getting shredded by him.

[Robz4000]

They’ve all been completely legit except for one iffy call. KC is killing themselves, this isn’t a ref bailout by any stretch.

That PI call just now in the end zone was ridiculous tbh, but offensively the Chiefs are just overmatched with their oline injuries.

[monosylab1k]

Still illegal contact beyond five yards.

Chiefs need to knock off the horse sh** and play football.

:tu

[spurraider21]

Chiefs doing the old seattle “commit PI every play and hope refs are too pussy to keep calling it” strategy

[RD2191]

Bradyrefs coming in clutch.

[i'm_still_beta]

:lmao that filthy hoodrat chimp Mathieu trying to talk shit to Brady after getting shredded by him.
:lmao

[monosylab1k]

That PI call just now in the end zone was ridiculous tbh, but offensively the Chiefs are just overmatched with their oline injuries.

He shoved him in the back as the ball was coming, there’s zero justification for that.

[Will Hunting]

Wow. Look at Brady having a worse season than Belichick.

What a tired old shit bag.
He’s just really l:crycky

[monosylab1k]

Chiefs doing the old seattle “commit PI every play and hope refs are too pussy to keep calling it” strategy

:tu

[DAF86]

Reid didn't have his team ready to play. Regardless of the refs bullshit you can't look like an amateur team outhere. You are supossed to have championship experience.

[TheCultOfPersonality]

Halftime show = Puppy Bowl

[monosylab1k]

tbh I still think KC wins

[Robz4000]

tbh I still think KC wins

Think they'll make it interesting but I don't see Brady blowing a multi-TD lead.

[DAF86]

:lmao they’re grabbing on every play, and for once the refs are calling it. Tough shit.

Show me the hold on Brady's interception. Also, the refs were pretty consistent on letting the players play all playoffs long (Rodgers' interception against the Bucs comes to mind) but now they suddenly change their tune but only for one team.

[spurraider21]

Probably but not blatant enough to hold the flag. The corner shouldn’t have tripped him and left it up to the refs.
If there was no separation and that was hip to hip they’d probably let it go as incidental as he was playing the ball. But when you’re beat by a yard and trip the receiver it’s an easy call

[Raven]

the amount of covid related ads is explosive

[Bynumite]

Show me the hold on Brady's interception. Also, the refs were pretty consistent on letting the players play all playoffs long (Rodgers' interception against the Bucs comes to mind) but now they suddenly change their tune but only for one team.

You got away with a blatant helmet to helmet vs Cleveland. At some point, it comes back around. Cry more.

[Mitch]

Being down at the half is normal for kc, tbh.

[DAF86]

Special mention to Reid's awful clock management. He did the same in last year's SB and got bailed out by a flag. It's a one possession game and you are getting the ball to begin the second half. Just let the clock run out.

[Raven]

how do you spend an hour of ads in convincing people to social distance when they are literally watching a ton of non social distanced people enjoying their life..

[FrostKing]

90s NBA getting props

Lefty shook

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Special mention to Reid's awful clock management. He did the same in last year's SB and got bailed out by a flag. It's a one possession game and you are getting the ball to begin the second half. Just let the clock run out.

Lol facts

[Will Hunting]

tbh I still think KC wins
The Chiefs o-line is overmatched in a bad way, I’m not sure how KC overcomes that.

[FrostKing]

250million for a conspiracy

Today's America

[Will Hunting]

:lmao these sanctimonious horseshit commercials about how the NFL wants to end racism when the owners had a back room agreement to end Kaep’s career for kneeling.

[Raven]

lol this awful

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This type of music is so shit

[Raven]

no clue who is singing

[Mark Celibate]

:lol need that Le Merchant Goldstein Records .jpg right about now

[Will Hunting]

The last time I listened to the radio it was more or less 5 songs on repeat, didn’t realize it was the same artist behind all of them.

[RD2191]

:rollin

[MultiTroll]

:lmao that filthy hoodrat chimp Mathieu trying to talk shit to Brady after getting shredded by him.
Getting shredded bullshit.
Pass INT call in the endzone was pure BradyRef.

[Raven]

the sound is so disconnected with his lips

[monosylab1k]

The Chiefs o-line is overmatched in a bad way, I’m not sure how KC overcomes that.

Same gameplan as that AFC Championship vs NE and last year vs the Niners tbh. Second half they started throwing it underneath to the RB’s to counter the rush. They need to get Edwards-Helaire and Bell involved in the passing game tbh.

But the big difference is the Pats had to send extra guys while Tompa is getting there with 4. And Arians/Leftwich probably won’t choke like Shanahan.

In the end, I still just refuse to bet against Mahomes.

[Will Hunting]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/b8/82/c9b8820cbd4b44ab546eb11053080c37.jpg

[RD2191]

Not bad songs, except they all sound the same. :lol

[Canyonero]

^ :lmao wtf

[Mark Celibate]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/b8/82/c9b8820cbd4b44ab546eb11053080c37.jpg



:lmao:lmao there it is

[Will Hunting]

:lmao:lmao there it is
“Fuck nigguh shit fuck nigguh shit” :lmao

[Canyonero]

no clue who is singing

Serge Gnabry

https://img.bundesliga.com/tachyon/sites/2/2019/10/serge-gnabry-celebration-fcb.jpg?crop=442px,0px,1348px,1080px

[Spurtacular]

:lol Those violins are not plugged in.

[Spurtacular]

Moar Satanic messaging.

[Will Hunting]

:lol the choreography is so lame, it’s like they only had an hour to rehearse this

[jeebus]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/b8/82/c9b8820cbd4b44ab546eb11053080c37.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yeqfPOV.jpg

[Raven]

from the sound i really can't tell if there is supposed to be a lead singer there.. i mean i see him pretend to sing, but half the time no voice is there

[Will Hunting]

Whoever the fuck this guy is, his mustache destroys any credibility :lol, it’s like he knows his music is feminine as shit so he has a creepy porno mustache to try and look alpha.

[DAF86]

The Weeknd has some good songs but this performance sucked ass, tbh. :lol

[Raven]

:lol the choreography is so lame, it’s like they only had an hour to rehearse this
they needed to add fat acceptance tokens, so had to simplify

[MultiTroll]

no clue who is singing
Is Soy Boy with the Pillsbury Dough boy hands finished yet?

[monosylab1k]

This isn’t great, but it’s way better than most halftime shows. Certainly better than watching The Who or some geriatric old ass band play like garbage.

The last truly great halftime show was Prince playing in the rain tbh

[spurraider21]

Moar Satanic messaging.
you can rest assured its all imaginary, even if that is their intent

[Raven]

ok at least he's not pretending to sing anymore