Game Thread: Spurs vs Thunder - Mar 4th 2021 - 8PM CT

[onechance87]

damn we couldint hit shots in the end when it matters

[Uriel]

Spurs have lost 3 of 4

[LeBowen]

Whenever we get our fucking hopes up, a game like this happens.

I'd rather have no chance of making the playoffs than have to endure losses against teams that are actively tanking.

Idk how will the young guys develop, but right now Demar and Derrick are the only reliable ballhandlers, with Patty being the only reliable 3pt shooter.
Demar and Keldon attack the paint hard, everyone else is just soft.

Hopefully a trade is made soon. Either get a proper rotation big because Jakob will always be a foul machine or just trade older guys for assets.
Can't hope to make the playoffs with one decent big.

17-2 and 14-2 runs given up.
Whatever, they deserve to sit on this embarrassing L for nearly a week.

[SpurPadre]

The one guy we have with championship experience is the worst 4th quarter player we have smh.

[spurraider21]

while mills gets the most blame imo, and dejounte generally played well, his 5 turnovers were killer. he's generally been much better at limiting turnovers this year, so that was disappointing next to what otherwise would have been a strong all around game for him

[Uriel]

We've been losing to OKC since the preseason.

[Mugen]

Got old school Dejounte tonight with those 5 TOs. Him and DD combining for 10 TOs overall killed em tonight. Just can't do it when you don't have the firepower that Derrick/Rudy/LA would provide tbh.

[tbdog]

Poor offensive game and bias as fuck reffing. NBA need to sort this shit out.

[spurraider21]

Spurs have lost 3 of 4
2 of 4

win against pelicans
loss against nets
win against knicks
loss against thunder

[R. DeMurre]

Classic DeRozan: leads team in minutes (36) & has worst +/- (-20).

[ace3g]

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The Spurs are 15-2 when the lead by 10 or more during a game Their 2 losses? Both to the Thunder

[spurraider21]

Knew they would shit the bed. Spurs more than often are on the receiving end of getting bent over when they proclaim things.
except when it was timmy :cry

[John B]

Spurs still don’t have that ball stopper. As good a defender DJ is, he gambles too much for that steal. And Lonnie... well. White will take charges. Maybe Vassell?

[GAustex]

Can’t wait for a Spurs team w/o DeRozen

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I just hate Derozans game so much...can you make a fucking 3 and play D?

[timtonymanu]

except when it was timmy :cry

One exception of course lol but it was dumb of Murray to make that statement considering this team has already shit the bed multiple times against the worst teams this season.

[onechance87]

Not sure why Lonnie doesn't sniff the last 4 mins when they needed shooting out there. Not like Fatty was shutting down SGA.


Cause the dude is way inconsistent....Makes a shot....Then turns it over the next couple of plays....But all our players played inconsistent today as well tho

[GAustex]

DDR style steals the soul out of his team mates

[talkspurs]

Is this the first game we lost when leading by double digits?

[spurs1990]

Spurs outshot them percentage wise in all 3 categories. Even went 12-12 FT. TOs were 19 to 16. Just gotta give their star Alexander his props for outdueling ours DeRozan

[Dejounte]

Only bright spot was Luka tonight. While Luka did okay on SGA, I think he's better suited against wings and up.

[Light]

Is this the first game we lost when leading by double digits?

Nope. Spurs were up double digits the last time they played the Thunder and lost that one, as well.

[Degoat]

There was a lot of bad tonight but GD Lonnie can’t guard for shit

[John B]

OKC lost by over 20 last night and beat Spurs on the 2nd night of a b2b :depressed

[PhantomDashCam]

I can't blame Pop or one single player for this.... too many turnovers... I could find negative things to say about just about everyone tonight...

Way too many turnovers...passing up open looks...indecisive. Was not meant to be.

Some positives to take into the break:

- Sham has earned minutes and exceeded anybody’s wildest expectations after middling pre-season
- KBD is an intriguing talent who’s one of the better 2-way contract players in the league
- DJ is starting to put together complete games on the regular. Was far from perfect tonight, but this seems to be his floor now.
- Lyles may be an interesting trade target for some based on his recent play. Certainly wouldn’t hurt teams looking for a spot 4 who can do a little if everything.

[ace3g]

Now we are back down to play-in tournament...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvsFJaaWgAEmEI-?format=png&name=900x900

[gambit1990]

Spurs have lost 3 of 4

2 of 4

win against pelicans
loss against nets
win against knicks
loss against thunder

spurraider21: Uriel must be taking the next spurs game into account.

[Dejounte]

Will be nice to have Vassell and Derrick back

[R. DeMurre]

Spurs outshot them percentage wise in all 3 categories. Even went 12-12 FT. TOs were 19 to 16. Just gotta give their star Alexander his props for outdueling ours DeRozan

Too many turnovers, too many fouls, too much 4th quarter DeRozan.

[Light]

Only bright spot was Luka tonight. While Luka did okay on SGA, I think he's better suited against wings and up.

They were hiding SGA on Luka, when they were both in the game. Would have loved to see Luka take him to the post and make him play defense on some of those possessions.

[onechance87]

Will be nice to have Vassell and Derrick back

Yea and take lonnies mins for good....Kj needs to get it together as well

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/RealTomPetrini/status/1367693945174589442?s=19

[duncan2k5]

Spurs playing down to competition

I think that you think we are better than we really are...we are the team that other teams play down to

[SpurPadre]

Will be nice to have Vassell and Derrick back

They will definitely help overall but our 4th quarter issues are still there when they're healthy. It's a mental thing for them at this point but it's so frustrating to watch.

[duncan2k5]

while mills gets the most blame imo, and dejounte generally played well, his 5 turnovers were killer. he's generally been much better at limiting turnovers this year, so that was disappointing next to what otherwise would have been a strong all around game for him

Let's not single out Dejounte as if DeMar didn't have 4 himself, with less assists than DJ

[duncan2k5]

Classic DeRozan: leads team in minutes (36) & has worst +/- (-20).

Typical

[duncan2k5]

Can’t wait for a Spurs team w/o DeRozen

Me n u both, brother...him on the team is like watching a good movie that you know will end badly... because you know how it will end, the good parts don't feel as good as they should

[Degoat]

People forget how important DWhite is to the team, he arguably was last years best player. Need him back pronto

[Dejounte]

Murray/ White
Lonnie/ Vassell
DeMar/ KBD
Keldon/ Luka
Poeltl/ Aldridge/ Eubanks

If I had my way with the line-up going forward, this would be it

I know Lonnie isn't great but someone needs to control the bench line-up and Mills ain't it. Gay needs to stop playing, too.

[duncan2k5]

I just hate Derozans game so much...can you make a fucking 3 and play D?

No...he can't...he is pushing 32...this is who he is...it only goes downhill from here

[daslicer]

I didn’t watch this game but it is frustrating to see the spurs get owned by bottom dwellers in OKC and Memphis.

[boutons_deux]

damn we couldint hit shots in the end when it matters

5 pts in first 6 min of 4th

-16 in 2nd half

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/JeffGSpursZone/status/1367694791400624131?s=19

[Blackhaus]

Can we package LW, Aldridge, mills, Rudy, a bag of Fritos, draft picks for SGA just so he doesn’t shit on us the rest of the game

[spurs1990]

Murray/ White
Lonnie/ Vassell
DeMar/ KBD
Keldon/ Luka
Poeltl/ Aldridge/ Eubanks

If I had my way with the line-up going forward, this would be it

I know Lonnie isn't great but someone needs to control the bench line-up and Mills ain't it. Gay needs to stop playing, too.

Not enough 3pt shooting don't you think? You'd have to hope Vassell, Diop, and Samanic can launch it in volume equal to Gay and Mills

[SpurPadre]

I didn’t watch this game but it is frustrating to see the spurs get owned by bottom dwellers in OKC and Memphis.

Don't forget an undermanned Rockets team.

[spurraider21]

it took Forbes and Marco getting hurt for Pop to actually give minutes to White/Keldon in the bubble

similarly, i think we're going to need Patty to get hurt to keep him off the floor in crunchtime

[John B]

Murray/ White
Lonnie/ Vassell
DeMar/ KBD
Keldon/ Luka
Poeltl/ Aldridge/ Eubanks

If I had my way with the line-up going forward, this would be it

I know Lonnie isn't great but someone needs to control the bench line-up and Mills ain't it. Gay needs to stop playing, too.

If Lonnie is going to be a 3 and D, he needs to take pride on stopping or at least slowing down the best perimeter player of the other team, Danny Green 2.0. I thought with all the athletics guards/forward Spurs have, they should have that.

[Dejounte]

Not enough 3pt shooting don't you think? You'd have to hope Vassell, Diop, and Samanic can launch it in volume equal to Gay and Mills

Those three you mentioned are good shooters.

[rankingtear]

I really don't like watching Lonnie, worst defensive player on the team. Don't even know if he has connected on a single pick and roll pass this season. He does not know where to go on offense , constantly running into our own guys. Takes him 1 - 2 seconds to process what is happening on the court.

[Dejounte]

I really don't like watching Lonnie, worst defensive player on the team. Don't even know if he has connected on a single pick and roll pass this season. He does not know where to go on offense , constantly running into our own guys. Takes him 1 - 2 seconds to process what is happening on the court.

I put my hands on my face when he ran into DeMar on a play

I hope the Spurs have the guts to use him as trade bait

[John B]

I really don't like watching Lonnie, worst defensive player on the team. Don't even know if he has connected on a single pick and roll pass this season. He does not know where to go on offense , constantly running into our own guys. Takes him 1 - 2 seconds to process what is happening on the court.
I keep waiting for that Lonnie who went head-to-head with Harden. I think he is that player, but overthinking out there. Just play ball.

[Dejounte]

If Lonnie is going to be a 3 and D, he needs to take pride on stopping or at least slowing down the best perimeter player of the other team, Danny Green 2.0. I thought with all the athletics guards/forward Spurs have, they should have that.

He doesn't look like he'll ever become a good defensive player. Not enough grit in his game.

[Dejounte]

Whatever happens this offseason, I hope these guys are the rotation guys next season:

Murray/ Tre
White/ Vassell
Keldon/ KBD
Luka/
Poeltl/

That's 8 players. Fill the other spots with anything.

[SpurPadre]

I just don't think Lonnie fits with this team or buys into the system. I think he will have to go to another team to realize his true potential. Trading him may be in the best interest for both sides.

[spurraider21]

If Lonnie is going to be a 3 and D, he needs to take pride on stopping or at least slowing down the best perimeter player of the other team, Danny Green 2.0. I thought with all the athletics guards/forward Spurs have, they should have that.
but he doesnt play good D

[John B]

I just don't think Lonnie fits with this team or buys into the system. I think he will have to go to another team to realize his true potential. Trading him may be in the best interest for both sides.

I’m a big critic of Lonnie. But I think he’s still learning out there, getting instructions every time from Patty. He hasn’t figured it out. I think he will surprise us. And when he does, with all his skills, it will be a fun ride.

[KobesAchilles]

Totally forgot we had a game today. Wtf happened? How did we finish 0-3 against the tanking Thunder?

[John B]

but he doesnt play good D

Before this year I wanted them to package Murray, and White being the better PG. And boy how DJ is proving us wrong in his 5th year? Lonnie is on his 3rd, likewise from injury. He’ll get it.

[rankingtear]

He doesn't look like he'll ever become a good defensive player. Not enough grit in his game.

Not strong enough, don't know if it's balance or lacks functional strength because he is at 205 now. Standing reach also is not that long considering his wingspan maybe because of the long neck. Couple that with his processing speed and lack of instinct. He can stay in front of guys and can get skinny on screens but he does not have the reach or reflex to contest that well.

[KobesAchilles]

I really don't like watching Lonnie, worst defensive player on the team. Don't even know if he has connected on a single pick and roll pass this season. He does not know where to go on offense , constantly running into our own guys. Takes him 1 - 2 seconds to process what is happening on the court.
This guy. Been shitting on me for weeks about my Lonnie take and then just types this post. Nice troll man :lol

[rankingtear]

We need Lonnie to be good on offense just Bryn Forbes level good is a huge win, but offensively he is so bad as well not about passiveness anymore he stopped making shots.

[rankingtear]

This guy. Been shitting on me for weeks about my Lonnie take and then just types this post. Nice troll man :lol

Waiting for the light bulb to click for you on what those posts mean. Ask Dejounte.

[crc21209]

What a disappointing game before all star break. Good thing the break is here so the guys out from covid will be ready to go by the time the 2nd half starts. The Spurs could’ve, and should’ve taken both games against the Thunder...

[weeks]

Thunder always rock our world for some reason. Doesn't matter who or how

[Ditty]

Wayyyyyyy too early to give up on Lonnie. Only 22 years old and didn’t technically play consistent minutes until the bubble. At worst he’s going to be a pretty dang good spot up three point shooter.

[Thomas82]

This is beyond embarrassing.

Having so many potentially very good young players is great, but it seems it's still better to have a potential star because SGA is about to go 2-0 by himself.
We're missing half the team, but this is just unacceptable. Simply can't stomach this.

Cosign!!

[ace3g]

This sums up the game...

https://media.video-cdn.espn.com/motion/2021/0304/dm_210304_NBA_OnePlay_thunder_poster_jam1382/dm_210304_NBA_OnePlay_thunder_poster_jam1382.jpg

http://contents.spin.ph/image/resize/image/2021/03/05/isaiah-roby-dunk-jakob-poeltl-1614927749.webp

[duncan2k5]

it took Forbes and Marco getting hurt for Pop to actually give minutes to White/Keldon in the bubble

similarly, i think we're going to need Patty to get hurt to keep him off the floor in crunchtime

This is what ppl are forgetting....it's not like Pop has some masterplan of developing them...they have always been good...they just needed real playing time with this group...it has always been by chance Pop realized his young players deserve real minutes

1. When DJ went down and White got out the doghouse

2. Like u said, injuries forced him to play Keldon

3. LMA injury forced him to play Jacob

4. Covid forced him to play Luka

5. Injuries forced him to play Vassel

If Luka never played, ppl would still think he wasn't ready, and wouldn't have known his defense was this good... The young players today are more ready than they have ever been for immediate impact... There are rookies on better teams that have been getting more minutes than our young players...young players we wish we had, but trust me if we drafted them, they'd be in the G-league, or getting spotty minutes every other game

[duncan2k5]

He doesn't look like he'll ever become a good defensive player. Not enough grit in his game.

He doesn't have that dog in him for sure...

[duncan2k5]

Not strong enough, don't know if it's balance or lacks functional strength because he is at 205 now. Standing reach also is not that long considering his wingspan maybe because of the long neck. Couple that with his processing speed and lack of instinct. He can stay in front of guys and can get skinny on screens but he does not have the reach or reflex to contest that well.

Look at pat Bev...lonnie is definitely more physically capable...he just doesn't have the defensive instinct, nor the drive...he grew up soft...he never had someone on the court better than him shit talking him, till he felt the need to shut him down...he grew up wanting to save tigers, and he has always been far better than ppl in his small hometown...ppl may clown this post, but thats my belief

[duncan2k5]

Lonnie seems content just being good enough... He doesn't seem to have the drive to be great... Luka seems to have that dog in him where he will try to be great... He isn't shy on offense and he seems to take it personally (insert MJ meme) when defenders try to go at him... He doesn't shy away from shooting when he misses a shot, and he doesn't shy away from contact... We have a couple guys with dog in them, but ironically Lonnie is the most gifted, but has no dog... At least be a shi tzu out there, bro... At LEAST be a talker... Lol

[duncan2k5]

Same dude we all admired early on in his career for being low maintenance because he said he wouldn't replace his old truck for a fancy car is dropping how many grand on strippers :lmao :lmao what a fraud

If u have never been to a strip club, it's very easy to get the media image of what goes on and who goes to them...I've been a dj in several...and many times it's very chill ppl that go there...often with their significant other to hang out... usually in strip clubs celebs don't get bothered like in a regular club...so him going there with his chick is very on brand, imo...

[PrimeMinister]

Lonnie could have all the “dog” in the world in him- but he has 0 ability to anticipate where his man is going off the dribble from the triple threat and allows a first step blow by every time. It’s an extension of his failings on offense- a lack of ability to anticipate what the opposition will do and think ahead to beat them to the spot.

Derrick white would have gotten the SGA assignment in the last 2 thunder games without covid. Lonnie is not ready for that type of assignment, and it’s possible he never will be. But his ability to stick as a rotation player, and certainly as a starting player will be contingent more on his defense than his scoring at this point.

[Dverde]

Thunder always rock our world for some reason. Doesn't matter who or how

Thunder were terrible last night, Spurs managed to be worse.

[Slippy]

We need Lonnie to be good on offense just Bryn Forbes level good is a huge win, but offensively he is so bad as well not about passiveness anymore he stopped making shots.

You know there is a saying.. its often overused, yet it definitely applies here. A fuking classic tbh

You just went full retard with the Bryn comparison. Your previous post about neck and wingspan was bearable . Never go full retard

[Dejounte]

You know there is a saying.. its often overused, yet it definitely applies here. A fuking classic tbh

You just went full retard with the Bryn comparison. Your previous post about neck and wingspan was bearable . Never go full retard


We have a resident Lonnie Walker #1 fan in the house over here.

Never attach yourself so much to a single player. They could be here one day, gone the next.

[Slippy]

We have a resident Lonnie Walker #1 fan in the house over here.

Never attach yourself so much to a single player. They could be here one day, gone the next.

Huh ya nice one lol.. been here since David Robinson , got to experience Vinnie Delnegro as a starter and Dwhite my current favourite spur.

To compare to Bryn Forbes was as dumb as it gets. I know you are often first to critique Lonnie.. try to remember this is his first full season where he getting consistently mins and role. He still growing as a player.

[Dejounte]

Huh ya nice one lol.. been here since David Robinson , got to experience Vinnie Delnegro as a starter and Dwhite my current favourite spur.

To compare to Bryn Forbes was as dumb as it gets. I know you are often first to critique Lonnie.. try to remember this is his first full season where he getting consistently mins and role. He still growing as a player.

It wasn't an insult.

Just curious where you'll draw the line. At some point Lonnie will run out of excuses for poor play. I'm not rooting against the guy. I'm often first to critique any player. If poor play is happening, there's nothing wrong with pointing it out. It doesn't mean you're a "hater". I hope Lonnie will become good, too. But I don't know if there are many good players who started off with so low basketball IQ which Lonnie has displayed thus far.

[Slippy]

It wasn't an insult.

Just curious where you'll draw the line. At some point Lonnie will run out of excuses for poor play. I'm not rooting against the guy. I'm often first to critique any player. If poor play is happening, there's nothing wrong with pointing it out. It doesn't mean you're a "hater". I hope Lonnie will become good, too. But I don't know if there are many good players who started off with so low basketball IQ which Lonnie has displayed thus far.

Didnt excuse his play. Every player including Lonnie that has started in place of Bryn Forbes since he left has been a clear upgrade.

So for this game. The biggest reasons spurs lost certainly wasnt Lonnie.. in fact aside from 2 TOs thought he had a positive impact especially from the three. Looking at you and the other guys posts, one would think he was the reason the offence stalled. What i saw was a tough collapsing team defense forcing spurs main ball handlers to struggle . DJ set the tone.

On defense ,DJ couldn't get a handle On Shai, Demar looked lost including his compsoure. Keldon was a step behind on every man he guarded. Jacob being in foul trouble hurt the team overall. Again Lonnie wasnt the main reason.

Just maybe your love for certain players is clouding your judgment?

[Dejounte]

Didnt excuse his play. Every player including Lonnie that has started in place of Bryn Forbes since he left has been a clear upgrade.

So for this game. The biggest reasons spurs lost certainly wasnt Lonnie.. in fact aside from 2 TOs thought he had a positive impact especially from the three. Looking at you and the other guys posts, one would think he was the reason the offence stalled. What i saw was a tough collapsing team defense forcing spurs main ball handlers to struggle . DJ set the tone.

On defense ,DJ couldn't get a handle On Shai, Demar looked lost including his compsoure. Keldon was a step behind on every man he guarded. Jacob being in foul trouble hurt the team overall. Again Lonnie wasnt the main reason.

Just maybe your love for certain players is clouding your judgment?

I constantly critique all of those guys you mentioned. This isn't a back and forth thing where it's your guy against mine. You say you've never excused his play yet I've never seen you say a negative thing about him. You can find numerous posts of mine critiquing each player, you're just a bit sensitive about Lonnie that you only notice my posts about him. Again, it's fine if you're a little up on Lonnie but where will you draw the line? You never answered the question.

[Slippy]

I constantly critique all of those guys you mentioned. This isn't a back and forth thing where it's your guy against mine. You say you've never excused his play yet I've never seen you say a negative thing about him. You can find numerous posts of mine critiquing each player, you're just a bit sensitive about Lonnie that you only notice my posts about him. Again, it's fine if you're a little up on Lonnie but where will you draw the line? You never answered the question.

Ya i have been negative of Lonnie. Pls check post history.

Open to him being traded if spurs can get someone better. Think he has alot of room to grow and develop so not ready to give up on him but there's a logjam at his posi. Something gotta give for him to develop. Like playing Patty over him .If pop doesnt see the point,then hopefully it happens sooner for the sake of both parties.

[rankingtear]

You know there is a saying.. its often overused, yet it definitely applies here. A fuking classic tbh

You just went full retard with the Bryn comparison. Your previous post about neck and wingspan was bearable . Never go full retard

* Average standing reach for 6'4 w/o shoes is 8'5, Lonnie is at 8'3.5 even with a 2 inch wingspan advantage.
* Lonnie is a negative impact offensive player right now because of efficiency and feel, just comparing him to an average offensive one.

[Slippy]

It wasn't an insult.

Just curious where you'll draw the line. At some point Lonnie will run out of excuses for poor play. I'm not rooting against the guy. I'm often first to critique any player. If poor play is happening, there's nothing wrong with pointing it out. It doesn't mean you're a "hater". I hope Lonnie will become good, too. But I don't know if there are many good players who started off with so low basketball IQ which Lonnie has displayed thus far.

Btw sensitive to Bryn Forbes. No joke i get triggered whrn he gets mentioned.. i feel pop put the spurs back 1 year in their youth development . Just check my history, Bryn was favoured by pop at the expense of the team.

For this game Lonnie shot 3 from 4 from outside and hardly played the second half so not sure why he was the focus of negativity.

[DAF86]

This sums up the game...

https://media.video-cdn.espn.com/motion/2021/0304/dm_210304_NBA_OnePlay_thunder_poster_jam1382/dm_210304_NBA_OnePlay_thunder_poster_jam1382.jpg

http://contents.spin.ph/image/resize/image/2021/03/05/isaiah-roby-dunk-jakob-poeltl-1614927749.webp

This is an awful look. If got yourself into that position, just foul the fucking guy and keep your dignity,tbh. :lol I didn't watch the game but this looks like it ended on an "and-1" or a foul anyways.

[Dejounte]

This is an awful look. If got yourself into that position, just foul the fucking guy and keep your dignity,tbh. :lol I didn't watch the game but this looks like it ended on an "and-1" or a foul anyways.

No foul called and Poeltl was already in foul trouble so he backed out of this one

[gambit1990]

This sums up the game...

https://media.video-cdn.espn.com/motion/2021/0304/dm_210304_NBA_OnePlay_thunder_poster_jam1382/dm_210304_NBA_OnePlay_thunder_poster_jam1382.jpg

http://contents.spin.ph/image/resize/image/2021/03/05/isaiah-roby-dunk-jakob-poeltl-1614927749.webp
in jakob’s defense, he only reacted like that because someone was pointing a gun at him.

[Ocotillo]

Interesting (to me at least) I was digging around to see when Roby above was drafted as I recalled being interested in him. He was drafted in second round in 2019 the year we took Luka and Keldon. Later, the Spurs drafted Spoon.

Anyway, the year before when we drafted Lonnie, our second round pick was Metu, the pick right before Metu...... Bates-Diop.

[Dejounte]

Interesting (to me at least) I was digging around to see when Roby above was drafted as I recalled being interested in him. He was drafted in second round in 2019 the year we took Luka and Keldon. Later, the Spurs drafted Spoon.

Anyway, the year before when we drafted Lonnie, our second round pick was Metu, the pick right before Metu...... Bates-Diop.
Yep, I was high on him and wanted him with our 29th or our second round pick:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279471&page=3

Obviously glad we didn't take him with our 29th.

[Ocotillo]

Would you trade Lonnie for Roby?

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Would you trade Lonnie for Roby?

Lonnie is probably the one member of the new young core who hasn't lived up to expectations at this point. He's probably the one young player I'd be willing to include in a Spurs attempt to upgrade.

[Dejounte]

Would you trade Lonnie for Roby?

I don't think Roby's upside is very high, but then again Lonnie's such a mystery box that could either turn out to be nothing. It would be as if we were trading Lonnie for a role player with OK production. Some would be fine with that, some not.