Projected Team Salary Combined Thread

[bluebellmaniac]

Someone had to do this thread, so might as well get it started.

These numbers are dirty (my estimated parts at least), so take with a BIG grain of salt. Hopefully we can get the pros in here to clean up and give their estimates.

Next couple years aren't so bad, but we won't want DMDR's contract on the books come 23-24. If it is, it'd be train wreck on the rest of the roster.






3% increase
3% increase
3% increase



Cap Maximum:
$112,414,200
$115,786,626
$119,260,225
$122,838,032



Lux Tax Thresh
$136,605,810
$140,703,984
$144,925,104
$149,272,857




21-22
22-23
23-24
24-25


1
Derrick White
$15,678,571
$16,892,857
$18,107,143
$19,321,429


2
Dejounte Murray
$15,428,880
$16,571,120
$17,714,000
$0


3
Jakob Poeltl
$8,750,000
$9,398,148
$0
$0


4
Lonnie Walker
$4,453,617
$6,319,683
$0
$0


5
Devin Vassell
$4,235,160
$4,437,000
$5,887,899
$8,060,534


6
Luka Samanic
$2,959,080
$4,556,983
$6,498,258
$0


7
Keldon Johnson
$2,145,720
$3,873,024
$5,809,536
$0


8
Drew Eubanks
$1,762,796
$1,910,860
$0
$0


9
Tre Jones
$1,517,981
$1,782,621
$0
$0



DMC (Dead $)
$1,242,340
$0
$0
$0


10
Trey Lyles
$5,500,000
$5,775,000
$6,063,750



11
Patty Mills
$5,500,000
$5,500,000
$5,500,000



12
DeMar DeRozan
$27,500,000
$28,875,000
$30,318,750
$31,834,688


13
FA - TBD
$10,242,750
$10,730,500
$11,218,250



14
1st Rd Pick 20th
$2,216,300
$2,327,100
$2,437,900
$3,754,366


15
2nd Rd Pick
$950,000
$1,500,000




2-Way
Nate Renfro






2-Way
Keita Bates-Diop















Totals:
$110,083,195
$120,449,896
$109,555,486
$62,971,017



Salary Room:















*All data from HoopsHype.com except where noted





Red = Team Option

Purple = Mid-Level Exception (from HoopsRumors.com)



Green = Qualifying Offer

Blue = My Estimate



















Point guard:
Combo guard:
Wing:





Dejounte Murray
Derrick White
Devin Vassell





Tre Jones
Patty Mills







Lonnie Walker






















Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward):
Athletic Forward:
Stretch Big:





DeMar DeRozan
Nate Renfro (2-way)
Luka Samanic





Keldon Johnson

Trey Lyles





Keita Bates-Diop (2-Way)























Anchor Big:







Jakob Poeltl







Drew Eubanks

[Dejounte]

I made a similar thread a while back:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288583

Nonetheless, I love when other people put in some thought and research into this kind of stuff. Signs of a passionate fan! Good job.

I came to the same conclusion as you that signing a max player isn't ideal this summer, but instead of using DeMar I used John Collins. However, my premise relied on the possibility that Lonnie might blow up and require a chunk of the cap, too.

IMO, a lot of signs point to DeMar not coming back.

[BillMc]

Nice breakdown OP. Thanks. :toast

[PrimeMinister]

I see the spurs FO wanting to keep derozan without making a long term commitment. They’ll offer up some gesture of good will like a 2 year deal for good money, it’s 50/50 at that point if some team gets ambitious and offers him a 4 year max or more long term money. With the timeline of our team it makes 0 sense to keep him at that type of salary beyond 2023.

All eyes for the FO need to be on the 23 FA class and planning offers to our impending free agents and youngsters accordingly. Huge class of free agents and our last real chance to pay them before RFA for Keldon, Vassell, etc... Derozan realistically isn’t a contributor to our next title- we need to get the books open to sign the person who will be. Even if we strike out on Jokic or Embiid, someone like Jerami Grant or Christian Wood could be nice pickups depending on how their games look in 2 years.

[cjw]

If you’re Demar, do you bank on yourself aging gracefully like CP3 has (though contract looked bad a few years ago)? If so, may make sense to sign 2+PO, and then can hit the market for one final payday.

I don’t want to sign him for 4 years, but not sure if there is anyone better on the market. Or you use space to absorb contracts that bring back assets, potentially pairing LWIV in a trade that lets you move towards top of draft.

Said another way, I may prefer to keep Demar and move out Walker, who you know you will have to pay with Luka/KJ a year behind him. And by improving draft position you essentially reset clock on cost of that roster piece.

[cd021]

If you’re Demar, do you bank on yourself aging gracefully like CP3 has (though contract looked bad a few years ago)? If so, may make sense to sign 2+PO, and then can hit the market for one final payday.

I don’t want to sign him for 4 years, but not sure if there is anyone better on the market. Or you use space to absorb contracts that bring back assets, potentially pairing LWIV in a trade that lets you move towards top of draft.

Said another way, I may prefer to keep Demar and move out Walker, who you know you will have to pay with Luka/KJ a year behind him. And by improving draft position you essentially reset clock on cost of that roster piece.

Locking up DeMar does bring up issues down the road with Walker, Johnson, and Luka. Walker is probably unlikely to get retained at this point but should he blow up, then the Spurs may either have to let him walk in RFA or bite the bullet and pay him. Then Johnson and Luka are up in 2023. Keldon seems likely to get paid while Luka is anyone's guess. Keeping DeMar on a two year might work but definitely not longer.

A 2 plus one isn't a terrible idea, but if he's not any good then he's certain to opt-in and the Spurs could be deep in the tax.

[PrimeMinister]

Locking up DeMar does bring up issues down the road with Walker, Johnson, and Luka. Walker is probably unlikely to get retained at this point but should he blow up, then the Spurs may either have to let him walk in RFA or bite the bullet and pay him. Then Johnson and Luka are up in 2023. Keldon seems likely to get paid while Luka is anyone's guess. Keeping DeMar on a two year might work but definitely not longer.

A 2 plus one isn't a terrible idea, but if he's not any good then he's certain to opt-in and the Spurs could be deep in the tax.

I say either a straight up 2 year deal or a 1+1 with a PO which he might be very open to as it allows him to determine his own fate the summer after next depending on his performance in 2022 with some new potential suitors to sign him. I could also see him having a bit of an “unfinished business” type attitude with this team if they put together a nice performance in the first round or even second. That would make the idea of a quick re-up appetizing to both sides.

there’s options. But tying up long term money to Demar ain’t it.

[bluebellmaniac]

I made a similar thread a while back:

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=288583

Nonetheless, I love when other people put in some thought and research into this kind of stuff. Signs of a passionate fan! Good job.

I came to the same conclusion as you that signing a max player isn't ideal this summer, but instead of using DeMar I used John Collins. However, my premise relied on the possibility that Lonnie might blow up and require a chunk of the cap, too.

IMO, a lot of signs point to DeMar not coming back.

Great stuff there, that was the inspiration. Nice to have a thread like that to better understand the why's of what the front office does. Without that understanding, people think it's all about just signing people up. It's not. You have to plan these out, which is hard as hell.

A nice problem to have is when lots of your picks pan out and they blossom so much, you have trouble fitting them all under the tax. But a problem nonetheless.

[Dejounte]

Signing DeMar to a two year deal seems more and more like a plausible option.

That's especially when you consider the only other free agent arguably worth maxing in the market is John Collins, and even his production can easily be matched or exceeded by other cheaper players. No reason to lock ourselves in to a player like that. Worse yet, the Spurs would probably double down on John when his contract ends even if he has not improved much as a player. That's 6+ years of being stuck with a player barely worth his contract.

Whereas when you have DeMar, you know what you have and it's possible he will take a step back with him decreasing his minutes and reducing his role, while his veteran leadership will increase as time goes on.

High
DeMar
Dejounte
Derrick
Poeltl
Keldon

Medium
Vassell
Luka

Low
Dinos
Tre
KBD

Extra bench players
Gay
Mills
Lyles
2021 first round pick (Herb Jones, JRE)

[bluebellmaniac]

Signing DeMar to a two year deal seems more and more like a plausible option.

That's especially when you consider the only other free agent arguably worth maxing in the market is John Collins, and even his production can easily be matched or exceeded by other cheaper players. No reason to lock ourselves in to a player like that. Worse yet, the Spurs would probably double down on John when his contract ends even if he has not improved much as a player. That's 6+ years of being stuck with a player barely worth his contract.

Whereas when you have DeMar, you know what you have and it's possible he will take a step back with him decreasing his minutes and reducing his role, while his veteran leadership will increase as time goes on.

High
DeMar
Dejounte
Derrick
Poeltl
Keldon

Medium
Vassell
Luka

Low
Dinos
Tre
KBD

Extra bench players
Gay
Mills
Lyles
2021 first round pick (Herb Jones, JRE)

1. What's the most we can offer on a two yr deal.
2. Why does DMDR go for that if a team is offering more years for more overall $$$.

You project that Gay is coming back? Walker gone?

[Dejounte]

1. What's the most we can offer on a two yr deal.
2. Why does DMDR go for that if a team is offering more years for more overall $$$.

You project that Gay is coming back? Walker gone?

Walker seems the odd man out if DeMar comes back. Minutes will be sparse and you have to give those minutes to more deserving players (Luka and Vassell) whose upside looks like they would impact the wins column more.

I don't know if DMDR will truly have suitors who would be willing to offer him a four year deal.

Not sure about Gay, just needed to name random free agents for the end of the bench since they won't really matter much in the rotation.

[BackHome]

Yeah at Derozz age I don’t think he will go with a two year contract at this point in his career. It’s hard to see what is going to happen with him does he walk/does he want to be traded/does he want to stay long term/do Spurs want him back?

As far as who else might go it’s definitely LMA I don’t see any scenario where he will be back with us. Then there is Rudy who I like he gives us good veteran leadership but if Lyles and Luka keep playing well do you keep him? As far as Mills again Veteran leadership my only thoughts for him is does he want to sign with us understanding his minutes are going to get much smaller or does he want more playing time and moves to a team that can accommodate him? After drafting Tre I just don’t see an avenue for Q. I hope he can attach himself to another team

[cjw]

Walker seems the odd man out if DeMar comes back. Minutes will be sparse and you have to give those minutes to more deserving players (Luka and Vassell) whose upside looks like they would impact the wins column more.

I don't know if DMDR will truly have suitors who would be willing to offer him a four year deal.

Not sure about Gay, just needed to name random free agents for the end of the bench since they won't really matter much in the rotation.

Spurs need to be careful on how they allocate the $50mm in space, as there are 2-3 young guys about to be paid in the next 27 months.

Best for future is probably to try to swing for fences by acquiring assets to rent out cap space (no more than two year contracts), and then package picks plus Walker to move towards top of draft if there is a guy they have a can’t miss grade on. The roster is already deep, and they don’t need to clog it with redundant vets.

If nothing materializes, I’m fine running it back with current guys with short term extensions. Don’t know there’s a gettable guy in free agency that moves the needle.

[FutureMan]

Do we have the full MLE because I thought we used part of it on Jones?

Ideally the Spurs sign Markkanen or Collins and resign DeRozan and Mills to two year deals.

[bluebellmaniac]

A max or near max deal with Collins produces the same train wreck in year 3. If we want to keep the solid core, then no max. If not, who do you give up (choose 2): Poeltl, Luka, Keldon.

[FutureMan]

A max or near max deal with Collins produces the same train wreck in year 3. If we want to keep the solid core, then no max. If not, who do you give up (choose 2): Poeltl, Luka, Keldon.

So then deal with it in three years. The Spurs shouldn’t be passing up on players that want to sign now because maybe Poeltl might be a better version of Splitter, Luka could be 1/4 as good of a player as Ginobili, or Johnson 1/2 as good as Kawhi. They need to push every year since they don’t have a Duncan to build around.

Also it’s not a “train wreck”. You just be a great organization and figure it out or you’re not.

[bluebellmaniac]

So then deal with it in three years. The Spurs shouldn’t be passing up on players that want to sign now because maybe Poeltl might be a better version of Splitter, Luka could be 1/4 as good of a player as Ginobili, or Johnson 1/2 as good as Kawhi. They need to push every year since they don’t have a Duncan to build around.

Also it’s not a “train wreck”. You just be a great organization and figure it out or you’re not.

We are not Detroit, or Sacramento, or Philadelphia or any other City. This is San Antonio. We plan. We prepare. We develop players. Just signing players and then realizing later that it'll cost us a chunk of our core isn't wise. Saying we don't know what they'll be like in 3 yrs is not true. We have a pretty good idea, and we want them on the team when they are peaking.

Plan for what we want. Plan for what we need.

[Dejounte]

We are not Detroit, or Sacramento, or Philadelphia or any other City. This is San Antonio. We plan. We prepare. We develop players. Just signing players and then realizing later that it'll cost us a chunk of our core isn't wise. Saying we don't know what they'll be like in 3 yrs is not true. We have a pretty good idea, and we want them on the team when they are peaking.

Plan for what we want. Plan for what we need.

Right on. Reading that post is the equivalent of someone putting zero money in their 401k, buys all type of nonsense to get in major debt, and goes ahead and puts a down payment on a Tesla because fuck it, we'll deal with the consequences later. Fast forward 20 years later and their kids hate them because they had to work three jobs and had zero time parenting their kids.

Sometimes I don't think people understand the team they root for. They'll say they've been watching the Spurs since David Robinson and have had courtside seats since whatever, then turnaround and say instant gratification shit that the Spurs have never been known for.

[Dejounte]

IMO, I'm getting the sense we're going to be getting an injection of international flavor this offseason. The Mitoglou interest came out of nowhere, and I think that the Spurs' scouts are aggressively looking at other international teams too for talent. The current team is missing a bit of that unique vision and passing that euro players usually have because they're taught basketball a different way, so bringing those fundamentals to this team would be a huge benefit. Not to mention it probably helps the locker room and players to broaden their view of the world and its different cultures.

I kind of think the Wizards are purposely seeking out international talent but they're kinda doing it excessively to the point where they're passing up better talent. I don't want the Spurs to overdo it if they do go down this route this offseason. Not that they could, we have about six players I don't see going anywhere.

[FutureMan]

The 401K analogy is incredibly laughable but I’ll humor y’all’s train if thought. Ok, so we don’t sign anyone and we develop our youth. Championships are won by teams with a top ten player and are seeds 1,2 or 3. This should be amusing. Who is that player that y’all are betting is a top ten player in the league?? Luka, Johnson, or Poeltl?

Like I said earlier this organization didn’t have to make big moves because they had Duncan. Also if you want to continue the 401K analogy. Our youth will get us a nice 6-8 seed retirement. But you’ll never have anything more because you only focused on that.

[Dejounte]

The 401K analogy is incredibly laughable but I’ll humor y’all’s train if thought. Ok, so we don’t sign anyone and we develop our youth. Championships are won by teams with a top ten player and are seeds 1,2 or 3. This should be amusing. Who is that player that y’all are betting is a top ten player in the league?? Luka, Johnson, or Poeltl?

Like I said earlier this organization didn’t have to make big moves because they had Duncan. Also if you want to continue the 401K analogy. Our youth will get us a nice 6-8 seed retirement. But you’ll never have anything more because you only focused on that.

It's an age old debate. You just rang the tank gang bell, and any minute now they're going to come in here with their spineless takes on how we need to lose every game this season not realizing there's much more that's lost than the record you have at the end of that season. It's completely short sighted.

Honestly, I think we're on the verge of something great. Jokic wasn't recognized for his greatness until his third or fourth season in the league, and neither was Jamal Murray. We only need a couple of our players to emerge, and it's too early to tell if one of them won't. The Nuggets are the model for how any team should build. Think about it-- they will be in playoff contention for a long time and they have their players locked up forever. There was no need for go big or go home signings, there was no need for tanking. They did it through solid roster construction and letting their competitive status develop their players.

Don't forget, *We are a small market team*. You mention that championship teams have top ten players but fail to mention that most of those teams were big market ones who won with players who walked through their door because it's a big market.

Also, how the fuck are Markannen and Collins top ten players in your eyes?

[Dejounte]

Check out this article by the CHICAGO newspaper:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/chicago.suntimes.com/platform/amp/bulls/2021/2/25/22301748/bulls-better-without-forward-lauri-markkanen

"Are the Bulls better without forward Lauri Markkanen?"

That's a huge red flag.

[talkspurs]

So then deal with it in three years. The Spurs shouldn’t be passing up on players that want to sign now because maybe Poeltl might be a better version of Splitter, Luka could be 1/4 as good of a player as Ginobili, or Johnson 1/2 as good as Kawhi. They need to push every year since they don’t have a Duncan to build around.

Also it’s not a “train wreck”. You just be a great organization and figure it out or you’re not.

I agree that they Should not be passing up players they want to sign now because they might have better players. However I dont think they should be signing players just to make a big splash. getting either of the two players you suggested I dont think would make us better but we would have the "big signing". I would rather take on a bad contract and get an asset for it or front load someone else contract si we would keep salary open for someone we want or for our players when they come up.

You also say to deal with it in year 3 but it is not always that easy. If that player has shown that he is not as good as thought he could be hard to move and we would have to give up daft picks to get rid of him or maybe some of our young players. Even if you buy them out they still count against the cap.

[bluebellmaniac]

The 401K analogy is incredibly laughable but I’ll humor y’all’s train if thought. Ok, so we don’t sign anyone and we develop our youth. Championships are won by teams with a top ten player and are seeds 1,2 or 3. This should be amusing. Who is that player that y’all are betting is a top ten player in the league?? Luka, Johnson, or Poeltl?

Like I said earlier this organization didn’t have to make big moves because they had Duncan. Also if you want to continue the 401K analogy. Our youth will get us a nice 6-8 seed retirement. But you’ll never have anything more because you only focused on that.

It's like you just became a fan of the team last week. We have some awesome potential on this team, and mainly because we are helping to develop it. Murray, Luka, Keldon all.have an opportunity to be All-Stars. They aren't the only ones either. This is an incredibly DEEP team. We have a complex system, but as the light bulbs go off on understanding it, we are seeing huge leaps in performance. I don't think we need Collins or anyone else that would take aax or near-max salary to sign. We have an opportunity to have multiple All-Stars or that caliber of players on the team and the ability to throw waves of talent at teams. The talent on the second team blows away teams already. Just need to get them focused and continuing that upward trajectory and we are good.

[R. DeMurre]

I never got the Markkanen hype. I watched him play a lot at Arizona and he never wowed me as a prospect, and certainly not as potentially the "next Dirk." His shooting percentages are up this year but his rebounding, shot blocking, and D are all extremely mediocre at best. I'd rather the Spurs sign Bjelica at a discount than give anything near max money to Markkenan.

[FutureMan]

It's an age old debate. You just rang the tank gang bell, and any minute now they're going to come in here with their spineless takes on how we need to lose every game this season not realizing there's much more that's lost than the record you have at the end of that season. It's completely short sighted.

Honestly, I think we're on the verge of something great. Jokic wasn't recognized for his greatness until his third or fourth season in the league, and neither was Jamal Murray. We only need a couple of our players to emerge, and it's too early to tell if one of them won't. The Nuggets are the model for how any team should build. Think about it-- they will be in playoff contention for a long time and they have their players locked up forever. There was no need for go big or go home signings, there was no need for tanking. They did it through solid roster construction and letting their competitive status develop their players.

Don't forget, *We are a small market team*. You mention that championship teams have top ten players but fail to mention that most of those teams were big market ones who won with players who walked through their door because it's a big market.

Also, how the fuck are Markannen and Collins top ten players in your eyes?

Relax a little bit man. I never said tank. Never said Markkanen or Collins were top ten players.

I said this team will need to push. It’s going to take a combination of developing AND trading. Just like you roll your eyes at the people who want to tank I can just as easily roll my eyes at you. Ive seen a lot of your posts basically saying that signing anyone is a bad idea. The Spurs may very well need to sign Collins just to flip him and two other pieces for something better.

The whole small market team is old news at this point for me. More and more people are moving to the San Antonio/Austin area. If this organization can’t change that then I again challenge their greatness. Plus the Spurs are “the small market team” to win championships.

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m very excited for the players we have and I get you’re excitement for this group.

The main point I wanted to make is that big trades and/or signings will need to happen for the Spurs to get back into competing again.

[Dejounte]

Relax a little bit man. I never said tank. Never said Markkanen or Collins were top ten players.

I said this team will need to push. It’s going to take a combination of developing AND trading. Just like you roll your eyes at the people who want to tank I can just as easily roll my eyes at you. Ive seen a lot of your posts basically saying that signing anyone is a bad idea. The Spurs may very well need to sign Collins just to flip him and two other pieces for something better.

The whole small market team is old news at this point for me. More and more people are moving to the San Antonio/Austin area. If this organization can’t change that then I again challenge their greatness. Plus the Spurs are “the small market team” to win championships.

Don’t get me wrong though, I’m very excited for the players we have and I get you’re excitement for this group.

The main point I wanted to make is that big trades and/or signings will need to happen for the Spurs to get back into competing again.

I never said anything about not doing trades. But if it's trades for the sake of trading, then it's a no go for me dawg. Just the same with free agency. You think my idea that not signing anyone is unique to myself, but you can go read anywhere else and you'll learn that this free agent crop is bare and mostly everyone shares the idea that a lot of the free agents are crap. So why do you think I feel the way that I do about it being a bad idea?

Someone already brought it up that signing Collins may very well bite us in the ass later on if he doesn't produce for the Spurs. I've said in the past that his numbers are inflated, and I don't have much confidence he'll be much better with the Spurs.

Also, it's not even true your statement of "I don't think the Spurs should sign anyone". Literally in this very thread, I proposed that the Spurs could be looking at international talent in free agency.

And again, to your main point that big signings need to happen for the Spurs to compete -- sure, but not this offseason when all of the free agents are crap.

[bluebellmaniac]

I added some additional Estimates on salary and included 1st round picks for 22-23 and 23-24.

Also adjusted Patty to a 2-year extension instead of 3 to help with the number of players in 23-24. Having someone with DeMar type of pay won't work past 2 more seasons, at least not without deep cuts to the rest of the team. Not worth it in my opinion. I'd rather be deep.

We don't want any lingering contracts back in exchange for LMA. I think it might even be best to do a buy-out or just pay it out and let it expire. Why? Because in 22-23 we are looking at a number crunch on the number of players on the team. The good thing from that is we should be DEEEEEEP. I'm talking throwing waves of good players at the other team. Starters may dig a hole, but we will wear them down or force them to play their starters enormous minutes. And if our starters hold their own, we should be looking at a team that can make a deep run in the playoffs. So even getting picks for LMA wouldn't be helpful. Now I don't mind getting a BETTER pick, but we'd have to dump ours somehow.







21-22
22-23
23-24
24-25


1
Derrick White
$15,678,571
$16,892,857
$18,107,143
$19,321,429


2
Dejounte Murray
$15,428,880
$16,571,120
$17,714,000
$19,485,400


3
Jakob Poeltl
$8,750,000
$9,398,148
$16,000,000
$16,800,000


4
Lonnie Walker
$4,453,617
$6,319,683
$0
$0


5
Devin Vassell
$4,235,160
$4,437,000
$5,887,899
$16,000,000


6
Luka Samanic
$2,959,080
$4,556,983
$16,000,000
$16,800,000


7
Keldon Johnson
$2,145,720
$3,873,024
$16,000,000
$16,800,000


8
Drew Eubanks
$1,762,796
$1,910,860
$0
$0


9
Tre Jones
$1,517,981
$1,782,621
$4,500,000
$4,850,000


10
Trey Lyles
$5,500,000
$5,775,000
$6,063,750



11
Patty Mills
$8,000,000
$8,000,000




12
DeMar DeRozan
$27,500,000
$28,875,000




13
FA - TBD (MLE)
$10,242,750
$10,730,500
$11,218,250



14
1st Rd Pick (21-22) 20th
$2,216,300
$2,327,100
$2,437,900
$3,754,366



1st Rd Pick (22-23) 20th

$2,250,000
$2,350,000
$2,450,000



1st Rd Pick (23-24) 20th


$2,350,000
$2,450,000



DMC (Dead $)
$1,242,340






Nate Renfro
2-Way
$2,000,000
$2,100,000




Keita Bates-Diop
2-Way
$2,000,000
$2,100,000












Totals:
$111,633,195
$127,699,896
$122,828,942
$118,711,195











Salary Cap Max:
$112,414,200
$115,786,626
$119,260,225
$122,838,032



Lux Tax Thresh
$136,605,810
$140,703,984
$144,925,104
$149,272,857





3% increase
3% increase
3% increase











*All data from HoopsHype.com except where noted





Red = Team Option

Purple = Mid-Level Exception (from HoopsRumors.com)



Green = Qualifying Offer

Blue = My Estimate











Season 23-24 Roster Projections














Point guard:
Combo guard:
Wing:





Dejounte Murray
Derrick White
Devin Vassell





Tre Jones
Patty Mills














Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward):
Athletic Forward:
Stretch Big:





Keldon Johnson
Nate Renfro
Luka Samanic





Keita Bates-Diop

Trey Lyles













Anchor Big:







Jakob Poeltl

[bluebellmaniac]

Here is where we are currently at. The emphasis is clearly on '22-'23. Included are projected positions (I probably have some wrong, so mention it and I'll adjust).

If we get Chet, then Poeltl would likely be traded draft day. If we are in the top 3, but don't get Chet, we probably have our Playmaking / Athletic Forward of the future.






3% increase
3% increase
3% increase



Cap Maximum:
$112,414,200
$115,786,626
$119,260,225
$122,838,032



Lux Tax Thresh
$136,605,810
$140,703,984
$144,925,104
$149,272,857




21-22
22-23
23-24
24-25


1
Dejounte Murray
$15,428,880
$16,571,120
$17,714,000
$0


2
Doug McDermott
$13,750,000
$13,750,000
$13,750,000



3
Josh Richardson
$11,615,328
$12,196,094




4
Jakob Poeltl
$8,750,000
$9,398,148
$0
$0


5
Zach Collins
$7,000,000
$7,350,000
$7,700,000



6
Lonnie Walker
$4,453,617
$6,319,683
$0
$0


7
Romeo Langford
$3,804,360
$5,634,257
$7,837,251



8
Devin Vassell
$4,235,160
$4,437,000
$5,887,899
$8,060,534


9
Josh Primo
$3,946,800
$4,144,320
$4,341,600
$5,982,725


10
Keldon Johnson
$2,145,720
$3,873,024
$5,809,536
$0


11
Keita Bates-Diop
$1,729,217
$1,878,720




12
Tre Jones
$1,517,981
$1,782,621
$0
$0


13
Joe Wieskamp
$462,629
$1,576,305




14
Devontae Cacok
$462,629
$1,576,305




15
Jock Landale
$925,258
$1,563,518




16
Tomas Satoransky
$10,000,000





17
'22 FRP ~6

$5,639,700
$5,908,500
$5,908,500



'22 FRP ~18

$2,602,400
$2,732,400
$2,862,600



'22 FRP ~20

$2,385,700
$2,504,900
$2,624,000











Totals:

$102,678,915
$74,186,086
$25,438,359



Salary Room:

$38,025,069
$70,739,018
$123,834,498











*All data from HoopsHype.com except where noted




Red = Team Option





Green = Qualifying Offer

Blue = My Estimate



Gold = RealGM Source

Purple = 2-Way Contract

















Point guard:
Combo guard:
Wing:
Orange = Not likely to be back (per me)



Dejounte Murray
Josh Primo
Joe Wieskamp





Tre Jones
Lonnie Walker
Romeo Langford





Tomas Satoransky
Josh Richardson
Devin Vassell





















Big Wing (or Playmaking Big Forward):
Athletic Forward:
Stretch Big:
Anchor Big:




Doug McDermott


Jakob Poeltl




Keldon Johnson


Zach Collins




Keita Bates-Diop


Jock Landale







Devontae Cacok

[stnick2261]

If Murray continues this upwards trend and we get a top draft pick this year... that $70mil in '23 capspace is going to be very enticing for a young FA to start a new dynasty here

[bluebellmaniac]

If Murray continues this upwards trend and we get a top draft pick this year... that $70mil in '23 capspace is going to be very enticing for a young FA to start a new dynasty here

There's a lot to back-fill on the roster, plus Primo and Vassell getting new deals, but yeah, should be enough to pay a decent PF if we address C in the draft (get Chet), or best free agent available if we address our PF needs in the draft.

[KingKev]

There's a lot to back-fill on the roster, plus Primo and Vassell getting new deals, but yeah, should be enough to pay a decent PF if we address C in the draft (get Chet), or best free agent available if we address our PF needs in the draft.

Salary Cap vs Luxury Tax

Google it

[exstatic]

Salary Cap vs Luxury Tax

Google it

This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.

[KingKev]

This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.

Yesssir. My back of the envelope math sees our payroll at ~85mm with an estimated 119mm cap assuming Walker is gone. I believe we can technically use that whole 35ish in trades/free agency and go over the cap to sign our own rookies.

PATFO has set themselves up for an incredible amount of flexibility as required come draft day and free agency. Richardson, Collins and to a lesser extent McLovin are all very movable contracts.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yesssir. My back of the envelope math sees our payroll at ~85mm with an estimated 119mm cap assuming Walker is gone. I believe we can technically use that whole 35ish in trades/free agency and go over the cap to sign our own rookies.

PATFO has set themselves up for an incredible amount of flexibility as required come draft day and free agency. Richardson, Collins and to a lesser extent are all very movable contracts.

They can't do it. Each pick has a cap hold in the same way that Lonnie's expiring contract will. If they don't trade their picks each one's hold will reduce the team's available cap space.

[KingKev]

They can't do it. Each pick has a cap hold in the same way that Lonnie's expiring contract will. If they don't trade their picks each one's hold will reduce the team's available cap space.

I haven't researched it in depth myself. You are an astute poster so I will take your word. Those 3 picks will probably equate to 15mm I guess.

[bluebellmaniac]

I assume Walker won't be back, which makes room for all three FRPs. That also frees up an extra $6M in cap space. The FRP are accounted for as cap holds. We don't have a big cap hold on existing players, but might for '23-24 if we don't extend early. To fit a FA next year, we'd likely trade a FRP or an existing player in a sign and trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I haven't researched it in depth myself. You are an astute poster so I will take your word. Those 3 picks will probably equate to 15mm I guess.

https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/info/rookie_scale

These are the rookie scale contracts for 2021. The cap hold is 120% of these numbers.

[stnick2261]

This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.


Yesssir. My back of the envelope math sees our payroll at ~85mm with an estimated 119mm cap assuming Walker is gone. I believe we can technically use that whole 35ish in trades/free agency and go over the cap to sign our own rookies.

PATFO has set themselves up for an incredible amount of flexibility as required come draft day and free agency. Richardson, Collins and to a lesser extent are all very movable contracts.

PATFO shouldn't be signing any FA to longer than 1 year. It's summer of '23 that they'll have the large cap room to fill any gaps after evaluating our FRPs from this draft.

[KingKev]

PATFO shouldn't be signing any FA to longer than 1 year. It's summer of '23 that they'll have the large cap room to fill any gaps after evaluating our FRPs from this draft.

Depending on if we move Jak Mo Bamba is on of few realistic FA targets I’d target for a long term deal this offseason.

[KingKev]

There's a lot to back-fill on the roster, plus Primo and Vassell getting new deals, but yeah, should be enough to pay a decent PF if we address C in the draft (get Chet), or best free agent available if we address our PF needs in the draft.

Not even Keldon’s extension will impact 23-24 cap. Vassell’s extension (if given) won’t have cap impact till 25-26 season, Primo’s the following year. Keldon’s

[offset formation]

Depending on if we move Jak Mo Bamba is on of few realistic FA targets I’d target for a long term deal this offseason.

No offense but, hell nah. I've been amongst the hardest on Jak on this board but Mo Bamba cant fill Jak's modest number of back and arm zits. I'd much rather pay Jak more, than try to replace him with the likes of Mo freaking Bamba.

[XDT76]

This. You can only go over the cap to re-sign your own players, not to sign FAs. This is why Lonnie has to GO, and KBD, Tre, and Jock should not be too comfortable. When Satoransky rolls off, we will only have two roster spots, and we have four picks, plus any FAs we may have our eyes on.

Not exactly true, the teams can sign FA to MLE if they are over cap.