First one to bite the dust. RIP Astrazeneca. Norwegian scientists double down saying its cause of deadly bloodclots

[hater]

First losing vaccine. Called it. There will be winning vaccines. And losing ones. Try to get a winner


https://twitter.com/robinmonottibot/status/1372539347719888897?s=19

https://twitter.com/BBGRichie/status/1372562635779112962?s=19

[Spurtacular]

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[hater]

Meanwhile Joe working hard on that bodycount :lol

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1372621624898379776?s=19

[koriwhat]

Meanwhile Joe working hard on that bodycount :lol

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1372621624898379776?s=19

Psaki's binder is full of "I'll have to circle back" bullshit.

[Winehole23]

how many serious adverse events vs. how many doses administered? the article you posted doesn’t say.

without that context, it’s impossible to evaluate the level of risk.

[Spurtacular]

Sniffles way riskier, amirite?

[Winehole23]

Sorry, didn’t catch that.

Come again?

[SnakeBoy]

When asked to clarify why he says “most likely” in the quote, Holme confidently responds that the reason for these rare cases of blood clots has been found.

Confidently most likely.

US & UK march forward. EU all fucked up.

[hater]

Confidently most likely.

US & UK march forward. EU all fucked up.

Yeah.

UK and US marching forward on top of 700k rotting carcasses

[SnakeBoy]

Yeah.

UK and US marching forward on top of 700k rotting carcasses

EU/EEA at 577k rotting carcasses and they're going to have to make it through another fall/winter at the rate they are going. That's with them removing "died with covid" from their count. They all fucked up.

[Ef-man]

Calling it now, hater gets covid waiting to make up his mind on which vaccine to mock the most.

[hater]

Calling it now, hater gets covid waiting to make up his mind on which vaccine to mock the most.

Wanna bet?

[hater]

EU/EEA at 577k rotting carcasses and they're going to have to make it through another fall/winter at the rate they are going. That's with them removing "died with covid" from their count. They all fucked up.

Competing for the biggest covid loser is a bad strategy tbqh

[SnakeBoy]

Competing for the biggest covid loser is a bad strategy tbqh

Scared of the virus, scared of the vaccine is a bad strategy too

[Ef-man]

Europe Restarts AstraZeneca Vaccines After Safety Endorsement

European countries including Germany and France will restart using AstraZeneca Plc’s Covid-19 vaccine after the European Union’s drug regulator endorsed it as safe and said it isn’t linked to an increase in the risk of blood clots.

The fresh guidance from the European Medicines Agency follows suspensions by governments that added to the hurdles facing the EU’s inoculation campaign. Italy, Spain, Bulgaria, Portugal and Slovenia are among countries that will also resume dispensing Astra’s dose, though Sweden is keeping it on hold as it continues its own review.

Governments are desperately trying to accelerate vaccinations as variants of the coronavirus spread and authorities are forced to reintroduce restrictions. Italy is already back in lockdown, and France on Thursday announced tougher Paris-area restrictions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/italy-france-to-restart-astra-vaccines-after-safety-endorsement/ar-BB1eJfVI?ocid=msedgntp

[Ef-man]

Wanna bet?

Did you decide which vaccine you hate the most?

Thought you were going to wait a year?

[hater]

Scared of the virus, scared of the vaccine is a bad strategy too

"We will take it on the chin and it will go away by April" is 10x worse strategy

It is what it is

[hater]

Did you decide which vaccine you hate the most?

Thought you were going to wait a year?

So far astrazeneca :lol

The winner might be pfizer or sputnik. Still waiting on human guinea pig data.....

[Ef-man]

So far astrazeneca :lol

The winner might be pfizer or sputnik. Still waiting on human guinea pig data.....

Well do not take too long to make up your mind, the new variants are on the up swing.

Older family members have gotten Pfizer and Morderna with not issues so they look very safe from what I have seen.

[hater]

Well do not take too long to make up your mind, the new variants are on the up swing.

Older family members have gotten Pfizer and Morderna with not issues so they look very safe from what I have seen.

:tu

Thank ma nig

[hater]

https://twitter.com/AgBioWorld/status/1373469633467011075?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/MTVLebanonNews/status/1374330087009615874?s=19

[boutons_deux]

AZ receives another hit about using "old data" or something.

[Spurtacular]

Blue anons not bothered.

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/AgBioWorld/status/1373469633467011075?s=19

Are you drowning?

[Spurtacular]

https://twitter.com/AgBioWorld/status/1373469633467011075?s=19

Are you drowning?

[Trainwreck2100]

At this point AZ has been through the mud and isn't worth the PR war to get people to take it. Anecdotally I'm getting the vaccine but I ain't touching that one, sucks we're on the hook for so many doses but send em to Africa and SA like they're some super bowl loser shirts

[hater]

At this point AZ has been through the mud and isn't worth the PR war to get people to take it. Anecdotally I'm getting the vaccine but I ain't touching that one, sucks we're on the hook for so many doses but send em to Africa and SA like they're some super bowl loser shirts

:lmao Dallas Mavs World Champs hats

[hater]

Are you drowning?

Does not comprehend comedy cartoons

[Spurtacular]

Does not comprehend comedy cartoons

Someone has to be that drowning man.

You should get vaccinated. You could seriously have dieded.

[hater]

Someone has to be that drowning man.

You should get vaccinated. You could seriously have dieded.

:lmao its a fucking cartoon

[ChumpDumper]

At this point AZ has been through the mud and isn't worth the PR war to get people to take it. Anecdotally I'm getting the vaccine but I ain't touching that one, sucks we're on the hook for so many doses but send em to Africa and SA like they're some super bowl loser shirtsYou're probably right but this might end up being the one that really helps end the pandemic.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao its a fucking cartoon

Okay, Kamala.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iMYlJqsDcg&ab_channel=fschnell

[hater]

Okay, Kamala.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iMYlJqsDcg&ab_channel=fschnell

Does not understand difference between a comedy cartoon and a presidential debate :lol

[Spurtacular]

Does not understand difference between a comedy cartoon and a presidential debate :lol

:lol You did the same thing she did, tbh.

[hater]

:lol You did the same thing she did, tbh.

Imagine being this upset about a cartoon :lmao :lol :lmao

[Spurtacular]

Imagine being this upset about a cartoon :lmao :lol :lmao

I'm zero upset. So, it's pretty easy to imagine.

[hater]

I'm zero upset. So, it's pretty easy to imagine.

Youre pretty upset

About a cartoon


Lol

[Spurtacular]

Youre pretty upset

About a cartoon


Lol

You're trying too hard to turn your blunder on me.

[hater]

https://twitter.com/freefoIk74/status/1376863046996480001?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Jeannie7676/status/1376862164959510533?s=19

[hater]

BERLIN (AP) — The German state of Berlin is again suspending the use of AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine for people under 60 due to reports of blood clots.

[pgardn]

The vaccines, on the whole, are working incredibly well.

Idea:

Why don’t Derpy and hater join forces and just continue to put up anecdotal evidence of vaccines killing people. common ground for goofballs. Make peace brothers. You both could find heroic GIFs of Putin’s vaccine as well.

[hater]

"Anecdotal" :lmao

Canada, germany, austria, norway suspend astrazeneca vaccines due to bloodclots

"Anecdotal"


:lmao peegarden

[hater]

More anecdotal evidence :lmao

Mutations of the coronavirus could render current vaccines ineffective within a year, according to a survey of experts in 28 countries.
Of those surveyed, almost a third gave a time frame of nine months or less.
Fewer than 1 in 8 said they believed that mutations would never render the current vaccines ineffective.

Two-thirds thought that we had "a year or less before the virus mutates to the extent that the majority of first-generation vaccines are rendered ineffective and new or modified vaccines are required."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/30/mutations-could-make-current-covid-vaccines-ineffective-soon-survey.html


Called it :tu

[pgardn]

The vaccines, on the whole, are working incredibly well.

Idea:

Why don’t Derpy and hater join forces and just continue to put up anecdotal evidence of vaccines killing people. common ground for goofballs. Make peace brothers. You both could find heroic GIFs of Putin’s vaccine as well.


"Anecdotal" :lmao

Canada, germany, austria, norway suspend astrazeneca vaccines due to bloodclots

"Anecdotal"


:lmao peegarden

its pea garden thank you.
Yes, yes... find some person who died a day after vaccinated. Even if its in a car wreck.
You are good at this.

[pgardn]

More anecdotal evidence :lmao

Mutations of the coronavirus could render current vaccines ineffective within a year, according to a survey of experts in 28 countries.
Of those surveyed, almost a third gave a time frame of nine months or less.
Fewer than 1 in 8 said they believed that mutations would never render the current vaccines ineffective.

Two-thirds thought that we had "a year or less before the virus mutates to the extent that the majority of first-generation vaccines are rendered ineffective and new or modified vaccines are required."

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/30/mutations-could-make-current-covid-vaccines-ineffective-soon-survey.html


Called it :tu

Has it been a year yet?

It could turn into a game of keeping up.
But how many experts said it would be more difficult to keep up with than the flu?
Any?

[SnakeBoy]

Germany restricts younger people from getting astrazenca vaccine on safety concerns. Puts 60-69 year olds to the front of the astrazeneca line, encourages them to be the guinea pigs for the youngsters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6hFxEQ3beg&t=171s

[SnakeBoy]

Astrazenca is the only vaccine that does not present the spike protein in a pre-fusion stabilized state. Also the only one to use a chimpanzee viral vector.

[pgardn]

First losing vaccine. Called it. There will be winning vaccines. And losing ones. Try to get a winner




Which one will fall next?

[DarrinS]

AZ still less risky than covid

For some people

[hater]

Astrazenca is the only vaccine that does not present the spike protein in a pre-fusion stabilized state. Also the only one to use a chimpanzee viral vector.

Called it. Loser vaccine. There will be more.

[SnakeBoy]

Astrazenca is the only vaccine that does not present the spike protein in a pre-fusion stabilized state.

You can read all about what that means here

https://fancycomma.com/2020/09/20/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine/#:~:text=The%20pre-fusion%20spike%20protein%20is%20stabilized%20so%20 that,protein%2C%20and%20therefore%20build%20immuni ty%20against%20the%20virus.

tldr

https://fancycomma.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/spike-protein-shape-change.png?w=768



The pre-fusion spike protein is stabilized so that it cannot change its “structure.” This can be thought of as a safety feature of sorts.

[Winehole23]

Germany restricts younger people from getting astrazenca vaccine on safety concerns. Puts 60-69 year olds to the front of the astrazeneca line, encourages them to be the guinea pigs for the youngsters.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6hFxEQ3beg&t=171sIf the risk differential favors vaccination over not-vaccination, why not? Is the level of risk way out of whack for a vaccine, What's considered a generally acceptable risk of serious adverse outcomes for a vaccine?

(Aside: in a sense we're all still Guinea pigs, the number of FDA approved COVID-19 vaccines is still zero.)

[pgardn]

Called it. Loser vaccine. There will be more.

There already have been more.
They just have not gotten this far into production and into the arm.
So which one will be next?

And what do you base your claim on? Snake gave you an article on how this one is really different.
Pick another, "called it guy" and then explain why you chose it.

[pgardn]

If the risk differential favors vaccination over not-vaccination, why not? Is the level of risk way out of whack for a vaccine, What's considered a generally acceptable risk of serious adverse outcomes for a vaccine?

(Aside: in a sense we're all still Guinea pigs, the number of FDA approved COVID-19 vaccines is still zero.)

People will react badly to all the others. To some degree.
We all react differently to very basic foods, and food is not shot in a very direct way into the circulatory system totally bypassing the digestive system.

[Winehole23]

People will react badly to all the others. To some degree.
We all react differently to very basic foods, and food is not shot in a very direct way into the circulatory system totally bypassing the digestive system.I guess what I trying to ask was how does someone assess risk accurately and make the best decision with the presented variety of vaccine products?

Not gonna lie, I mainly I go by own hunch and the good advice of others. Pretending I know how to do vaccine risk assessment for myself or anyone else would be conceited and absurd. That's what health professionals are for.

[DarrinS]

I don't know how frequent these clotting events are -- 1 in 100k? 1 in 1M?

Covid deaths in the US are over 1 in 600.

I'd roll the dice with AZ, any day.

[pgardn]

I guess what I trying to ask was how does someone assess risk accurately and make the best decision with the presented variety of vaccine products?

Not gonna lie, I mainly I go by own hunch and the good advice of others. Pretending I know how to do vaccine risk assessment for myself or anyone else would be conceited and absurd. That's what health professionals are for.

Thats the purview of stats.
And knowing how to assess your own risk starts with other vaccinations you have had.
Most of us are good to go because we just dont know.
Its also pretty obvious some people have had more severe reactions than others to the 2nd dose in two dose vaccines.
If you react badly to any pain medication if you are put under that needs to be noted so you dont go that route again.
I know anesthesiologists ask a multitude of questions that indicate risk factors before use with certain drugs.

Hater has his unknown ways so I wait.

Others may fall simply because they are harder to produce and keep and work statistically about the same as "easier" vaccines.

[pgardn]

I don't know how frequent these clotting events are -- 1 in 100k? 1 in 1M?

Covid deaths in the US are over 1 in 600.

I'd roll the dice with AZ, any day.

Same.
Wish I had a choice of any of them.

[DarrinS]

Same.
Wish I had a choice of any of them.

My program to rapidly register for appointments at HEB isn't working anymore. Since everyone is eligible starting today, the web traffic has been insane. Your best bet is to try their site at odd hours, for example 3am Saturday.

[pgardn]

Its seems there may be some program manipulation trying to get in as its odd how similarly vaccines at HEB are closing up.
I dont know enough about this stuff but the patterns that render those appts as filled seem fishy. Have a friend in Austin having the same problem.

[pgardn]

My program to rapidly register for appointments at HEB isn't working anymore. Since everyone is eligible starting today, the web traffic has been insane. Your best bet is to try their site at odd hours, for example 3am Saturday.

Yeah.
Good idea.

[DarrinS]

Its seems there may be some program manipulation trying to get in as its odd how similarly vaccines at HEB are closing up.
I dont know enough about this stuff but the patterns that render those appts as filled seem fishy. Have a friend in Austin having the same problem.


If you're willing to make a road trip, try searching only J&J and expanding the search radius. It would be a one time trip.

I kept seeing appointments in Falfurrias.

[DarrinS]

Or, get signed up on this new site

getthevaccine.dshs.texas.gov

[ChumpDumper]

Its seems there may be some program manipulation trying to get in as its odd how similarly vaccines at HEB are closing up.
I dont know enough about this stuff but the patterns that render those appts as filled seem fishy. Have a friend in Austin having the same problem.A friend in Austin end up taking an appointment at a CVS in Victoria once she saw how everything was filling up in front of her eyes.

[Winehole23]

By hunch I'd take the J&J shot, in real life I got Moderna. Second dose kicked my ass a little bit.

[SnakeBoy]

I don't know how frequent these clotting events are -- 1 in 100k? 1 in 1M?

Covid deaths in the US are over 1 in 600.

I'd roll the dice with AZ, any day.

Me too

[DarrinS]

By hunch I'd take the J&J shot, in real life I got Moderna. Second dose kicked my ass a little bit.

My sister said that one sucked. As far as side effects.

[pgardn]

Or, get signed up on this new site

getthevaccine.dshs.texas.gov

thanks

[ChumpDumper]

Super mild side effects from the first Moderna shot for me. Will let you know after the second.

[SnakeBoy]

Same.
Wish I had a choice of any of them.

Supposed to be 2200 Pfizer and some J&J available in Spring Branch/Bulverde area

https://tdem.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=3700a84845c5470cb0dc3ddace5c376b

[Winehole23]

Thats the purview of stats.
And knowing how to assess your own risk starts with other vaccinations you have had.
Most of us are good to go because we just dont know.
I fall into to this category, I never had a reaction to any vaccine until a few days ago.

First symptom besides lethargy was the chills, I woke up shivering in bed.

[Winehole23]

Super mild side effects from the first Moderna shot for me. Will let you know after the second.It wasn't that bad for me. It basically felt like nothing the first day. I got kinda sleepy. Then it was like a low grade flu for a day and a half, then my fever broke and I felt basically ok again.

[pgardn]

By hunch I'd take the J&J shot, in real life I got Moderna. Second dose kicked my ass a little bit.

I find this part interesting.
I almost hope I react so you know your body has responded.
I dont get any reaction from the flu vaccine, or the last time I got the tetanus.

[pgardn]

I fall into to this category, I never had a reaction to any vaccine until a few days ago.

First symptom besides lethargy was the chills, I woke up shivering in bed.

I rarely ever get a fever. The last time I did it came with giant swollen lymph nodes and a horrible case of mono.
I missed a semester of school. I will never forget that. Got my butt totally kicked in. Tried to come back to fast and relapsed.

[pgardn]

Super mild side effects from the first Moderna shot for me. Will let you know after the second.

Can you put that on this thread? pretty please...

[Winehole23]

My sister said that one sucked. As far as side effects.Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it'll be a few more months before booster shots are recommended.

There was brief talk of changing guidance to one dose for Pfizer and Moderna, has that conversation already been overtaken by events?

[pgardn]

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it'll be a few more months before booster shots are recommended.

There was brief talk of changing guidance to one dose for Pfizer and Moderna, has that conversation already been overtaken by events?

I think it was 80 something % v. 90 something with two... ahh just not sure but I seem to remember this.

[ChumpDumper]

Can you put that on this thread? pretty please...Will do.

[Winehole23]

I don't know how frequent these clotting events are -- 1 in 100k? 1 in 1M?

Covid deaths in the US are over 1 in 600.

I'd roll the dice with AZ, any day.IIRC, one quoted frequency I have seen is 1 in 100,000. Is that redic, or tolerably close to normal for a vaccine?

Honest question, I have no idea.

[DarrinS]

I think it was 80 something % v. 90 something with two... ahh just not sure but I seem to remember this.

Consistent with what I've read, but its like 2-3 weeks after first dose, and 1-2 weeks after 2nd.

I had Pfizer yesterday and arm is barely sore. Flu shot way worse, at least for me.

[Winehole23]

I think it was 80 something % v. 90 something with two... ahh just not sure but I seem to remember this.Maybe needs more study, or bigger ones.

[DarrinS]

IIRC, one quoted frequency I have seen is 1 in 100,000. Is that redic, or tolerably close to normal for a vaccine?

Honest question, I have no idea.


I have no idea. My blood is thin as shit, so I'd have no worries. Maybe people unsure should take aspirin in days leading to AZ?

[Winehole23]

I have no idea. My blood is thin as shit, so I'd have no worries. Maybe people unsure should take aspirin in days leading to AZ?The Germans have suggested there are therapies that can mitigate AZ vaccine risk for people with known blood clotting issues. IIRC they found a trigger.

[pgardn]

IIRC, one quoted frequency I have seen is 1 in 100,000. Is that redic, or tolerably close to normal for a vaccine?

Honest question, I have no idea.

I think this is answered on some WHO site as it depends on how deadly the disease is.

[Winehole23]

I think this is answered on some WHO site as it depends on how deadly the disease is.i get the relativistic balancing, what i want to know is, what's the normal range for serious adverse events for vaccines historically?

are the COVID vaccines all in that range? are some out of that range?

too early to tell?

[SnakeBoy]

IIRC, one quoted frequency I have seen is 1 in 100,000. Is that redic, or tolerably close to normal for a vaccine?

Honest question, I have no idea.

The clotting events are less than would be expected in an unvaccinated population. Within that small group is another very small group that has an unusual type of clotting that would not be expected in a normal population. It has a specific name now but I don't remember it off hand.

It's discussed on the TWiV episode I already posted. Skip over the T Cell discussion if you want, although you should listen to that part. It would help you not fall for the vaccine escape fear porn Hater keeps pumping.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJj3wDvuxnM&t=4956s

[Winehole23]

I think it was 80 something % v. 90 something with two... ahh just not sure but I seem to remember this.I was quoted 75% one dose Moderna efficiency at four weeks when I got the second one, same range.

[pgardn]

Ill be fckd...

I just got one for tomorrow.

[Winehole23]

The clotting events are less than would be expected in an unvaccinated population. Within that small group is another very small group that has an unusual type of clotting that would not be expected in a normal population. It has a specific name now but I don't remember it off hand.

It's discussed on the TWiV episode I already posted. Skip over the T Cell discussion if you want, although you should listen to that part. It would help you not fall for the vaccine escape fear porn Hater keeps pumping.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJj3wDvuxnM&t=4956sIdiosyncrasy, I hate watching videos.

Can you net it out for me, or is it too complicated?

[DarrinS]

Idiosyncrasy, I hate watching videos.

Can you net it out for me, or is it too complicated?


Why do you demand people give you an executive summary?

Try watching some videos every once in a while. That one is actually pretty good.

[DarrinS]

Ill be fckd...

I just got one for tomorrow.


How?

[pgardn]

How?


HEB
Which I just could not even get close to. Since it opened up.
I really dont get it. I dont know computers and speed and all to figure it out.
It seemed totally rigged. But thanks for your help.

I just went back and revisited and there are none left at that location.
wtf...

but im in.

[Winehole23]

Why do you demand people give you an executive summary?

Try watching some videos every once in a while. That one is actually pretty good.I might.

If you can't explain in your own words, you haven't mastered it yourself, that's all.

[Winehole23]

I might.

If you can't explain in your own words, you haven't mastered it yourself, that's all.Why should I take a recommendation from someone who hasn't bothered to understand what they're recommending?

[pgardn]

Why do you demand people give you an executive summary?

Try watching some videos every once in a while. That one is actually pretty good.

Snake has put up some good ones and so have you.
But honestly reading suits me better as well. Unless I need graphs and such.
Reading is just a lot faster for me. And Winehole has put up some excellent reads.
I thought my you tube on the freeze particulars and the possible total blackout was good but apparently not so.
You never know where people's minds are.

[DarrinS]

HEB
Which I just could not even get close to. Since it opened up.
I really dont get it. I dont know computers and speed and all to figure it out.
It seemed totally rigged. But thanks for your help.

I just went back and revisited and there are none left at that location.
wtf...

but im in.


Awesome.

[pgardn]

Awesome.

Ecstatic.
good news for grandpa!
In two weeks we go somewhere with his dog. IM dragging him out.

[DarrinS]

Snake has put up some good ones and so have you.
But honestly reading suits me better as well. Unless I need graphs and such.
Reading is just a lot faster for me. And Winehole has put up some excellent reads.
I thought my you tube on the freeze particulars and the possible total blackout was good but apparently not so.
You never know where people's minds are.



For that particular video, I skipped past all their weather bs, listened to the t-cell expert, and then stopped watching.

[DarrinS]

Ecstatic.
good news for grandpa!
In two weeks we go somewhere with his dog. IM dragging him out.


Did you get the appointment on a mobile device or PC? Just curious

[Winehole23]

Did you get the appointment on a mobile device or PC? Just curiousPC first time, team effort.

Second was autoscheduled by APH.

[pgardn]

For that particular video, I skipped past all their weather bs, listened to the t-cell expert, and then stopped watching.

No I get it.
I would stop also.
I really dont want to state this. I have the background to understand this. And if snake is taking this all in, he is pretty damn good in doing this as a hobby.
But reading is much... ahhh... in this format its good having the back and forth.

[DarrinS]

PC first time, team effort.

Second was autoscheduled by APH.

I think they're finally setting up something like APH in San Antonio. It has been ridiculous.

[pgardn]

Did you get the appointment on a mobile device or PC? Just curious

when I was away, the mobile device absolutely sucked.
Absolutely the PC.

The buttons in all the right places easy to navigate v. the mobile
I just did it whenever I posted it. Had to be luck with some speed and ease.

[DarrinS]

No I get it.
I would stop also.
I really dont want to state this. I have the background to understand this. And if snake is taking this all in, he is pretty damn good in doing this as a hobby.
But reading is much... ahhh... in this format its good having the back and forth.



I usually only watch the clinical update with Daniel Griffin, but I stopped after he discussed that shitty Ivermectin study published by JAMA.

[DarrinS]

when I was away, the mobile device absolutely sucked.
Absolutely the PC.

The buttons in all the right places easy to navigate v. the mobile
I just did it whenever I posted it. Had to be luck with some speed and ease.


Cool. I wasn't having luck with either earlier today.

[pgardn]

Cool. I wasn't having luck with either earlier today.

I did not think it would sink in like it has but this is gonna open things up for relatives.
Im totally at ease now. Weird stuff. I honestly thought I was invincible anyways.
But it was leading to so many other problems concerning other people and boundaries.

[DarrinS]

I did not think it would sink in like it has but this is gonna open things up for relatives.
Im totally at ease now. Weird stuff. I honestly thought I was invincible anyways.
But it was leading to so many other problems concerning other people and boundaries.

Glad you got it

[Winehole23]

I think they're finally setting up something like APH in San Antonio. It has been ridiculous.what are governments good for, eh?

[SnakeBoy]

Idiosyncrasy, I hate watching videos.

Can you net it out for me, or is it too complicated?


Idiosyncrasy, I hate watching videos.

Can you net it out for me, or is it too complicated?

Nothing too complicated on the astrazeneca vaccine. It probably does cause this rare type of brain clotting but it's very rare and the virus causes more clotting risk than it. It's probably associated with some type of immune response triggered by the az vaccine not using a stabilized pre-fusion spike. Then they say there are treatments for that type of clotting and now the Docs know to look for it. Benefits outweigh the risk. Well, for Europe. Doesn't apply to us because I think the FDA is going to pass on the astrazeneca.

T Cells more complicated. Short simplistic version, picture this as your immune response after vaccination....

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/t-cellsandb-cells-110209210812-phpapp01/95/t-cells-and-bcells-15-728.jpg?cb=1297285758

B cells make virus specific antibodies. Antibodies block the virus from entering cell. We all make the same antibodies. When the virus escapes those antibodies it escape them on a population level (i.e. everyone's antibodies).

but you also get a virus specific t cell immune response...

t cells recognize an infected cell and kill it to stop the viral reproduction. It's t cells that actually clear an infection. Simplified, we all make a unique t cell response. So the virus cannot escape t cell response on a population level.

So when the virus escapes antibodies, which it will, you still have significant protection from disease. Then you go get your booster shot to get new antibodies. It's not that big a deal...in this country at least.

[Winehole23]

I think they're finally setting up something like APH in San Antonio. It has been ridiculous.Setting the first appointment was a tedious, infernal exercise. The APH site was all janked up at first.

[SnakeBoy]

I might.

If you can't explain in your own words, you haven't mastered it yourself, that's all.

Science hasn't master it yet tbh. Our immune systems are amazingly complicated.

Did you know you have a virome? That's right, you are teeming with billions of viruses. Can't live without them.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1376981368400396294?s=19

[DarrinS]

Setting the first appointment was a tedious, infernal exercise. The APH site was all janked up at first.

Getting the first one is a chore -- no doubt.

[Winehole23]

Nothing too complicated on the astrazeneca vaccine. It probably does cause this rare type of brain clotting but it's very rare and the virus causes more clotting risk than it. It's probably associated with some type of immune response triggered by the az vaccine not using a stabilized pre-fusion spike. Then they say there are treatments for that type of clotting and now the Docs know to look for it. Benefits outweigh the risk. Well, for Europe. Doesn't apply to us because I think the FDA is going to pass on the astrazeneca.

T Cells more complicated. Short simplistic version, picture this as your immune response after vaccination....

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/t-cellsandb-cells-110209210812-phpapp01/95/t-cells-and-bcells-15-728.jpg?cb=1297285758

B cells make virus specific antibodies. Antibodies block the virus from entering cell. We all make the same antibodies. When the virus escapes those antibodies it escape them on a population level (i.e. everyone's antibodies).

but you also get a virus specific t cell immune response...

t cells recognize an infected cell and kill it to stop the viral reproduction. It's t cells that actually clear an infection. Simplified, we all make a unique t cell response. So the virus cannot escape t cell response on a population level.

So when the virus escapes antibodies, which it will, you still have significant protection from disease. Then you go get your booster shot to get new antibodies. It's not that big a deal...in this country at least.Thank you for your detailed and expertly organized reply!

I do not pretend to understand the diagram, but the rest I could sort of follow with my very fuzzy private school AP Biology.

Hilariously, I think I placed out of all of the college biology I was (maybe) capable of passing as an undergraduate -- 9 credit hours, I think.

[pgardn]

Science hasn't master it yet tbh. Our immune systems are amazingly complicated.

Did you know you have a virome? That's right, you are teeming with billions of viruses. Can't live without them.

They are indeed but it’s incredibly cool.

The way our cells mix and match different pieces of DNA in critical areas to make totally unique proteins that recognize viruses and almost anything else as foreign is absolutely amazing.
If other cells behaved this way it would be awful.
Biology on the whole is so freaking complicated.

[ChumpDumper]

Setting the first appointment was a tedious, infernal exercise. The APH site was all janked up at first.Only minor annoyances for me last week. Web link in an email wasn't a hyperlink and had to type ".aph" after my email address to login but everything else was smooth.

[Winehole23]

Only minor annoyances for me last week. Web link in an email wasn't a hyperlink and had to type ".aph" after my email address to login but everything else was smooth.site had the slows really bad at first, but the .aph was indeed the first hurdle.

[Winehole23]

Science hasn't master it yet tbh. Our immune systems are amazingly complicated.

Did you know you have a virome? That's right, you are teeming with billions of viruses. Can't live without them.I have heard that.

Is the brain-gut connection still news?

[Isitjustme?]

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1376981368400396294?s=19

Ok?

[InRareForm]

One reaction :rolleyes

[pgardn]

[tweet]Chris?

I have a death via peanut allergy photo, would you like to see it?

[daboom1]

I have a death via peanut allergy photo, would you like to see it?

whataboutery

[Ef-man]

whataboutery

Says the qchrisy who still posts after giving his word he would leave.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1377755262321299457?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1377755262321299457?s=19

Trump told you to get vaccinated, Qhris.

You gonna follow his lead?

[hater]

https://twitter.com/Reuters_Health/status/1379784837922426883?s=19

[hater]

Ouch when a poser like fauci shits on you :lol

https://twitter.com/luismaiabento/status/1379728018311110657?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1379800490058207233?s=19

[lefty]

lol vaccines

[hater]

Mmmm

https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1380523490080608256?s=19

[hater]

Wow Johnson & Johnson paused in US because of blood clots :wow

I had a feelimg J&J would fuck us since that talc powder bullshit they pulled for decades.

Glad I never took it :tu

[hater]

They really fucked us w this one

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1381951070289719296?s=19

[hater]

https://twitter.com/MazinAlEshaiker/status/1381949881804279808?s=19

[Winehole23]

Wow Johnson & Johnson paused in US because of blood clots :wow

I had a feelimg J&J would fuck us since that talc powder bullshit they pulled for decades.

Glad I never took it :tusix clots out of 7 million jabs? very rare.

any pause in vaccination would be likely to kill more people than continuing to use the J&J shot, something similar goes for AZ.

[hater]

six clots out of 7 million jabs? very rare.

any pause in vaccination would be likely to kill more people than continuing to use the J&J shot, something similar goes for AZ.

CDC and FDA disagree w u

[Winehole23]

CDC and FDA disagree w uI'm not challenging their authority, just wondering what the risk assessment is here.

"abundance of caution" is a hell of a way to paste over yet more avoidable death from COVID.

[hater]

I'm not challenging their authority, just wondering what the risk assessment is here.

"abundance of caution" is a hell of a way to paste over yet more avoidable death from COVID.

Show us your math. how is suspending J&J vacs causing more death and how much more. Show your numbers

[Winehole23]

Show us your math. how is suspending J&J vacs causing more death and how much more. Show your numbersThere's no math necessary if the incidence of blood clots from vaccines is less than that of clotting related to COVID-19. Admittedly that's an ask, not an answer.

I don't know the answer, I just dislike the opacity and hand waviness of the official explanation.

[hater]

There's no math necessary if the incidence of blood clots from vaccines is less than that of clotting related to COVID-19. Admittedly that's an ask, not an answer.

I don't know the answer, I just dislike the opacity and hand waviness of the official explanation.

Sure. But whatever you claim is far from evident. Id say its probably not.

The people that usually die from Covid have either already gotten their vaccine, or are staying home. Plus we dont know how many vaccines that would have been administered since pause went to arms that were destined to die from covid. Not to mention deaths lag for weeks.

My guess is after a couple of days they will say J&J is safe for over 60. But I just dont think theyll recommend this for youg ppl. Especially the very young.

It seems like a setback as I believe only J&J was testing on kids.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

This is the first major setback with the new administrations covid plan imo

Going to give Qtards and retards more fodder to be anti-vax, no one will want the JNJ vaccine when and if it's ever allowed to be administered again. This is very short sighted imo, makes no sense on paper

[hater]

CDC and FDA bad now :(

[boutons_deux]

Going to give Qtards and retards more fodder to be anti-vax, no one will want the JNJ vaccine when and if it's ever allowed to be administered again. This is very short sighted imo, makes no sense on paper

exactly, as said in this thread, a handful of clot cases in Ms of injections. Ms of lives save and/or protected.

The Qtards, evangelicals, Macho Men will claim full justification for not getting vaccinated, and make all of us pay for the stupidity and ignorance.

[ChumpDumper]

Chance of a 25 year old's dying from COVID-19: 1 in 10,000.

Chance of getting clots (not dying) from J&J: less than 1 in 1,000,000.

[boutons_deux]

The risk-reward calculus of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, visualized

Pausing distribution, though, runs a different risk:

potentially reducing confidence in vaccines broadly,

even the Pfizer and Moderna versions, which use different techniques for building immunity.

That’s another way of saying that the frequency of these incidents is remarkably low.

By way of comparison, every year about 12 in 100,000 Americans die in a car crash (https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/).

Given the effectiveness of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine in preventing serious illness and death,

vaccinating 6.8 million people could have prevented 123,000 deaths.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/13/risk-reward-calculus-johnson-johnson-vaccine-visualized

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Chance of a 25 year old's dying from COVID-19: 1 in 10,000.

Chance of getting clots (not dying) from J&J: less than 1 in 1,000,000.

I mean silver lining at least CDC can say they're independent, not yes-men, etcetcetc....but this is a huge huge misstep in the long game
Lots of medical providers that have been talking up the vaccines are face palming across the country right now

Can we at least send the JNJ to Canada en masse to help them out? jeeze

[ChumpDumper]

I mean silver lining at least CDC can say they're independent, not yes-men, etcetcetc....but this is a huge huge misstep in the long game
Lots of medical providers that have been talking up the vaccines are face palming across the country right now

Can we at least send the JNJ to Canada en masse to help them out? jeezeAgreed. Antivaxtards are having an outsized influence on world public health policy.

[hater]

Agreed. Antivaxtards are having an outsized influence on world public health policy.

#blueanon

[ChumpDumper]

#failedhashtag

[boutons_deux]

Ok?

Murdoch's right-wing toilet paper and its anti-govt, sensationalized anti-vaccine porno.

Murdoch always providing a public service to better society, for profit.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

FACEPALM

https://twitter.com/WF_Parker/status/1381958367644688388

[hater]

https://twitter.com/izacmann/status/1381987658696552452?s=20

[ChumpDumper]

hater's chances of getting blood clots from one of his plane rides is probably 10 times higher getting clots from a vaccine and he doesn't even so much as wear compression socks.

[hater]

hater's chances of getting blood clots from one of his plane rides is probably 10 times higher getting clots from a vaccine and he doesn't even so much as wear compression socks.

Science bad now :(


Lol chump resorting to anecdotal evidence

[ChumpDumper]

Science bad now :(


Lol chump resorting to anecdotal evidenceStatistics aren't anecdotal, hater.

The anecdote is your not recognizing the statistics.

Do you need the statistics spoon fed to you?

Yes or no.

[hater]

Statistics aren't anecdotal, hater.

Do you need the statistics spoon fed to you?

Yes or no.

Sure. Show your math. Adecdochump :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Sure. Show your math. Adecdochump :lolChance of developing a clot while flying: 3 in 100. (http://www.airhealth.org)

Chance of developing a clot from the J&J vaccine: less than 1 in 1,000,000.
(https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/13/u-s-urges-pause-on-use-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-after-rare-blood-clotting-cases/)

Which is the higher clot risk, hater?

Flying or the J&J vaccine?

[hater]

Chance of developing a clot while flying: 3 in 100. (http://www.airhealth.org)

Chance of developing a clot from the J&J vaccine: less than 1 in 1,000,000.
(https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/13/u-s-urges-pause-on-use-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-after-rare-blood-clotting-cases/)

Which is the higher clot risk, hater?

Flying or the J&J vaccine?

:lmao post the link pussy :lol

[hater]

Trump good now :lmao

https://twitter.com/_StephanieMyers/status/1381989296924594176?s=19

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao post the link pussy :lolThere are two (2) links there, genius.:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Trump good now :lmao

https://twitter.com/_StephanieMyers/status/1381989296924594176?s=19

#stillwithhim

[hater]

There are two links there, genius.:lmao

Airhealth.org last updated March, 2006 :lmao.:lol :lmao :lol

The webiste editor probably died of a bloodclot :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Airhealth.org last updated March, 2006 :lmao.:lol :lmao :lol

The webiste editor probably died of a bloodclot :lmaoYou think the odds have changed since then, hater?

Show your math.

Or fold.

[hater]

You think the odds have changed since then, hater?

Show your math.

Or fold.

Post something at least written in the last decade genius :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Post something at least written in the last decade genius :lol:lol hater folds

Good talk, genius.

:lmao couldn't even tell there were two (2) links

[hater]

:lol hater folds

Good talk.

Also that site looks like it was written in notepad :lmao

:lmao chump

[ChumpDumper]

Also that site looks like it was written in notepad :lmao

:lmao chumpSorry, you already folded.

:lol hater

[hater]

Sorry, you already folded.

:lol hater

Also you math is shit.

In a good year (not covid year) there are about 4.5 BILLION air passengers per year.

By your math if 3% get blood clots you are talking about 120,000,000 people getting airline blood clots a year :lmao :lol :lmao :lol

https://www.statista.com/statistics/564717/airline-industry-passenger-traffic-globally/

Chump :lol

[Ef-man]

Maybe hater is concerned because hater is a hateress? If he were a dude, this would not be something of concern.

The six cases were among about 6.8 million Americans who have received the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

All six cases were among women between ages of 18 and 48, and symptoms occurred 6 to 13 days after vaccination, the CDC and FDA said.

[ChumpDumper]

Also you math is shit.

In a good year (not covid year) there are about 4.5 BILLION air passengers per year.

By your math if 3% get blood clots you are talking about 120,000,000 people getting airline blood clots a year :lmao :lol :lmao :lol

https://www.statista.com/statistics/564717/airline-industry-passenger-traffic-globally/

Chump :lol

The prevalence of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) documented by Doppler ultrasound within 48 hours of landing is between 2% and 10%

https://www.healthline.com/health/dvt-and-flying#dvt-and-flying

:lol hater

From 2015.:wow

:lmao

[hater]

The prevalence of deep vein thrombosis (DVT) documented by Doppler ultrasound within 48 hours of landing is between 2% and 10%

https://www.healthline.com/health/dvt-and-flying#dvt-and-flying

:lol hater

From 2015.:wow

:lmao

From your article:

"That’s the same rate that people in hospitals develop DVT. Staying in a hospital is another risk factor for DVT."


:lmao abolish hospitals :lol

[ChumpDumper]

From your article:

"That’s the same rate that people in hospitals develop DVT. Staying in a hospital is another risk factor for DVT."


:lmao abolish hospitals :lol:lmao hater trying to change the subject with straw men

Let's see your numbers for DVT on planes, hater.

With links.

From 2015 or later.

Or fold.

[hater]

:lmao hater trying to change the subject with straw men

Let's see your numbers for DVT on planes, hater.

With links.

From 2015 or later.

Or fold.

Its your article idiot. :lol

Abolish offices as they cause more DVT than J&J :lmao

Lol chump

[ChumpDumper]

Its your article idiot. :lol

Abolish offices as they cause more DVT than J&J :lmao

Lol chump:lmao another straw man.

hater folds

:lol hater

[SnakeBoy]

1381925025964515330

1381948545582895105

[ChumpDumper]

It's not great, but the sky isn't falling either.

[SnakeBoy]

It's not great, but the sky isn't falling either.

Not for us. We are past the point of having the sky fall.

J&J is the vaccine the rest of the world needs though.

[ElNono]

mRNA appears to be the superior alternative when it comes to risks... comes with a better bluetooth chip as well, tbh

[hater]

Some more education.

The J&J blood clots come apparently with low platelet count ones. Most of the regular blood clots are high platelet count. Also the incidence is 3 to 4 cases per million, ANNUALLY.


https://twitter.com/CheerVid/status/1382059857986138116?s=19

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_venous_sinus_thrombosis


CDC, FDA :tu
When we have 7 cases in a matter of weeks is a big deal.

[Winehole23]

btw, are blood clotting and DVTs correlated with COVID-19 infection?

what's the incidence of that in the US right now?

[Ef-man]

mRNA appears to be the superior alternative when it comes to risks... comes with a better bluetooth chip as well, tbh

If read at the fine print, aluminum foil hat's (like Hater wears) will void the TOS.

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao @CheerVid

[ChumpDumper]

Not for us. We are past the point of having the sky fall.

J&J is the vaccine the rest of the world needs though.And they'll get it.:tu

[pgardn]

Some more education.

The J&J blood clots come apparently with low platelet count ones. Most of the regular blood clots are high platelet count. Also the incidence is 3 to 4 cases per million, ANNUALLY.


https://twitter.com/CheerVid/status/1382059857986138116?s=19

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_venous_sinus_thrombosis


CDC, FDA :tu
When we have 7 cases in a matter of weeks is a big deal.

In women 19-50 who have a history of platelet problems.

You would not actually want to pare it down would you hater?
This kind of thing will happen when more vaccines come out and more drugs, because, people are indeed different, what a surprise.
In the vast majority of all people the vaccines are working quite well.
If the vaccines symptoms somehow "spread" like the virus, then we would have a huge problem.

There is no number sense or sense of probability in these occurrences for some people.
I guess something else that needs to be taught in school for hater type phenomena.

[pgardn]

Some more education.

The J&J blood clots come apparently with low platelet count ones. Most of the regular blood clots are high platelet count. Also the incidence is 3 to 4 cases per million, ANNUALLY.


https://twitter.com/CheerVid/status/1382059857986138116?s=19

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_venous_sinus_thrombosis


CDC, FDA :tu
When we have 7 cases in a matter of weeks is a big deal.

And the biggest deal in this case is the panic it causes.
You could say the same thing about the virus except it was and is INCREDIBLY TRANSMISSIBLE and there was a time when we could not handle patients adequately, so it threatened the treatment system for about everyone. Why is this all so difficult...

[baseline bum]

FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the fuck are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus fucking Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are fucking it up.

[pgardn]

FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the fuck are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus fucking Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are fucking it up.

This is indeed perplexing.

[ElNono]

FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the fuck are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus fucking Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are fucking it up.

It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.

[hater]

It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.

MRNA or Sputnik for me thank you very much.

Wont touchbanything else tbqh. Fuck the chinese ones. And fuck J&J and Astrasuckneca.

Apparently we have enough MRna vaccines to inject ourselves in the testicles. So I will be waiting for appointments for Moderna or Pfizer.

And if thats bullshit Im.going to South America for the Sputnik 5er

[ElNono]

MRNA or Sputnik for me thank you very much.

Wont touchbanything else tbqh. Fuck the chinese ones. And fuck J&J and Astrasuckneca.

Apparently we have enough MRna vaccines to inject ourselves in the testicles. So I will be waiting for appointments for Moderna or Pfizer.

And if thats bullshit Im.going to South America for the Sputnik 5er

Just booked my appt for Moderna, tbh...

South America is out of vaccines at the moment. And they're also administering Astrazeneca made in India there.

[Isitjustme?]

Trump good now :lmao

https://twitter.com/_StephanieMyers/status/1381989296924594176?s=19


1381925025964515330

1381948545582895105

Having a hard time ginning up controversy that sticks to this admin, huh?

[Winehole23]

As Helen Branswell writes (https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/13/u-s-urges-pause-on-use-of-johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-after-rare-blood-clotting-cases/) at STAT News, every single clotting event involved a woman aged between 18 and 48 with a condition called thrombocytopenia (or low blood platelets). It isn't even clear yet that the vaccine actually caused the clots — the background rate of this particular kind of clotting is about five per million people (https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/cerebral-venous-sinus-thrombosis), per year.https://theweek.com/speedreads/977058/pausing-johnson--johnson-vaccine-wildly-irresponsible

[hater]

"It just doesn't happen in healthy people out of the blue and that's what's happening," said Dr. Hanny Al-Samkari, a hematologist and clinical investigator at the Massachusetts General Hospital.

But the risks are unexpected, unusual and might be reduced with the proper response or by limiting who gets the vaccine, Marks said.

"Our ultimate goal here is to get as many people vaccinated with a safe and effective vaccine as we can," he said, "but we feel like we have to take action."

The condition is believed to be the same one seen in Europe with a similar vaccine made by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. That vaccine, which is not available in the United States, has been linked to more than 220 unusual clotting cases as of April 4, out of 34 million doses delivered.

Most of the time, it's difficult to directly connect a serious health problem with a vaccine, but with the J&J and AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccines, "there is a smoking gun," said Dr. Theodore Warkentin, who co-authored an April 9 paper describing unusual blood clotting conditions in 11 patients who received the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine.

Warkentin and his colleagues named the condition vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia or VITT. It is believed to be similar to a rare problem seen either in patients recovering from surgery or from those on heparin, said Warkentin, a hematologist at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada..

In all cases, the immune system creates antibodies that activate platelets in the bloodstream, he said. The platelets, which normally promote wound healing, end up clumping and causing blood clots, often in the brain.

The diagnosis of VITT may be challenging, because typical tests for blood clots can come back negative and doctors will have to look specifically for toxic antibodies, said Anand Padmanabhan, an expert in a similar condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia at the Mayo Clinic.

People with suspected VITT should not be given the blood thinner heparin, because it could exacerbate the problem, Padmanabhan said.

All six of the people diagnosed with rare clots after receiving the J&J vaccine were relatively young women – but that doesn't mean that men and people who are older can't develop the condition, Marks warned.

"It's a question of whether this is the tip of the iceberg," she said. "Are we just seeing the start of case reports in the U.S. and are we going to see more?"

"If you mistreat it, people die," she said, "and if you don't treat it, there's still a high mortality associated with it."

But it can be successfully treated if doctors are looking for it.

"If you're not aware it can happen or you're not looking for it, it may go undiagnosed," she said.

Blood thinning drugs other than heparin can be useful for VITT patients, Warkentin said.

"Whenever there is a concern about the vaccine, they put a hold on it," Al-Samkari said. "That's appropriate and we want that to happen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/04/14/scientists-look-clues-bloodclotting-cause-j-j-and-astrazeneca-vaccines/7212193002/

[boutons_deux]

Dems did something, did anything, so the Repugs and right hate media automatically must inflame their ignorant, stupid, paranoid, delusional cult mob

[hater]

Just booked my appt for Moderna, tbh...

South America is out of vaccines at the moment. And they're also administering Astrazeneca made in India there.

You can buy what you want in colombia tbqh

[pgardn]

It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.

it’s a trade off.

J & J not being used will mean people will not be vaccinated. if you are not vaccinated and around the no mask anti-Vaccers... Unfortunately there are a lot of people that still need to be vaccinated. This is a very tough decision. People will die either way.

[pgardn]

This is indeed perplexing.

stop the flu vaccine? It should be noted that not all these people die, but it’s not going to be pleasant.

CDC reports 1.31 cases of anaphylaxis per million flu shots given, so that would be about 183 cases per year in the US (on average, around 140 million Americans a year receive a flu shot).

[hater]

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1382314248773251074?s=19

[Rummpd]

Public health doc who has given hundreds of Moderna and got myself / lot of good points in thread. Was supposed to give J and J next week but that put off so back to Moderna which I have seen no major side effects personally.
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[LaMarcus Bryant]

FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the fuck are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus fucking Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are fucking it up.

Yeah. There's gotta be under the hood political BS at work here. Corporate dems in Pfizer/Moderna payroll, miscommunication, etc gotta be something up. Numbers wise makes zero sense.

[in2deep]

"It just doesn't happen in healthy people out of the blue and that's what's happening," said Dr. Hanny Al-Samkari, a hematologist and clinical investigator at the Massachusetts General Hospital.

But the risks are unexpected, unusual and might be reduced with the proper response or by limiting who gets the vaccine, Marks said.

"Our ultimate goal here is to get as many people vaccinated with a safe and effective vaccine as we can," he said, "but we feel like we have to take action."

The condition is believed to be the same one seen in Europe with a similar vaccine made by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. That vaccine, which is not available in the United States, has been linked to more than 220 unusual clotting cases as of April 4, out of 34 million doses delivered.

Most of the time, it's difficult to directly connect a serious health problem with a vaccine, but with the J&J and AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccines, "there is a smoking gun," said Dr. Theodore Warkentin, who co-authored an April 9 paper describing unusual blood clotting conditions in 11 patients who received the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine.

Warkentin and his colleagues named the condition vaccine-induced immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia or VITT. It is believed to be similar to a rare problem seen either in patients recovering from surgery or from those on heparin, said Warkentin, a hematologist at McMaster University in Ontario, Canada..

In all cases, the immune system creates antibodies that activate platelets in the bloodstream, he said. The platelets, which normally promote wound healing, end up clumping and causing blood clots, often in the brain.

The diagnosis of VITT may be challenging, because typical tests for blood clots can come back negative and doctors will have to look specifically for toxic antibodies, said Anand Padmanabhan, an expert in a similar condition called heparin-induced thrombocytopenia at the Mayo Clinic.

People with suspected VITT should not be given the blood thinner heparin, because it could exacerbate the problem, Padmanabhan said.

All six of the people diagnosed with rare clots after receiving the J&J vaccine were relatively young women – but that doesn't mean that men and people who are older can't develop the condition, Marks warned.

"It's a question of whether this is the tip of the iceberg," she said. "Are we just seeing the start of case reports in the U.S. and are we going to see more?"

"If you mistreat it, people die," she said, "and if you don't treat it, there's still a high mortality associated with it."

But it can be successfully treated if doctors are looking for it.

"If you're not aware it can happen or you're not looking for it, it may go undiagnosed," she said.

Blood thinning drugs other than heparin can be useful for VITT patients, Warkentin said.

"Whenever there is a concern about the vaccine, they put a hold on it," Al-Samkari said. "That's appropriate and we want that to happen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2021/04/14/scientists-look-clues-bloodclotting-cause-j-j-and-astrazeneca-vaccines/7212193002/

Reasonable and prudent of CDC, FDA

Seems these clots are very rare type and seeing it so directly tied to vaccines is concerning. Glad they are being cautious :tu

[boutons_deux]

"what the fuck are the CDC and FDA thinking here?"

After Trash with his HCL, just the flu, his downplaying, bleach BULLSHIT, his corrupted CDC/FDS,

they are trying to restore FDA/CDC credibility by being extremely cautious and protective of the citizenry.

THAT's THEIR FUCKING JOB

They have succeeded with the mRNA vaccines, wildly successful.

J&J death rate, if proven, is still 1000s times less than the damage and death (that we will all pay for) because huge %age of Repugs, Macho men, uniformed services, health workers refused and refuse ANY vaccine, even before the J&J question.

If people don't want J&J vaccine, there is an increasing abundance of the mRNA vaccines.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

https://twitter.com/celinegounder/status/1382299663269761024?s=20

Kind of what me and others said earlier....trying to re-establish trust in the "deep state" CDC, FDA, etc

[SnakeBoy]

FUUUUUCK. People were already hesitant about J&J because of the lower efficacy rate despite its trials being done when we were at a much worse point of the pandemic than either the Pfizer or Moderna trials and despite the fact J&J was actively tested on a large scale against the South African variant. This is going to make it ten times worse, what the fuck are the CDC and FDA thinking here? Stopping distribution for 6 cases out of 7 million is nuts. Jesus fucking Christ, this vaccine is a lifeline out of the pandemic and the CDC and FDA are fucking it up.

It's the right thing to do. Identify the cases so people with such conditions are moved to the other vaccines and then you can resume. If it saves a few lives, all worth it.

lol this is exactly how the conversation with my wife went yesterday

[baseline bum]

lol this is exactly how the conversation with my wife went yesterday

Shit, I'm on the side of the aggie troll vs the doctor :pctoss

[hater]

Deep State real now

[Spurtacular]

Chumpettes will tell you that healthy people just collapse all the time. It happens.

https://gab.com/a/posts/106066588691370645

[ElNono]

Chumpettes will tell you that healthy people just collapse all the time. It happens.

https://gab.com/a/posts/106066588691370645

Nobody is reading your gab shitpots, derp

[ElNono]

lol this is exactly how the conversation with my wife went yesterday

I think bb would be right if there are no alternatives. But there are. Sure, it might slow down temporarily the vaccination rate until there's a way to accurately weed out people that are prone to have this condition due to the J&J vaccine, but it's the right thing to do, IMO.

[Spurtacular]

Nobody is reading your gab shitpots

I can't be held responsible for your hurt feelings, El Derpo.

[ElNono]

I can't be responsible for your hurt feelings, El Derpo.

You are responsible for throwing garbage that nobody reads on every thread...

[Spurtacular]

You are responsible for throwing garbage that nobody reads on every thread...

You and others hate truth and facts. It happens.

[pgardn]

I think bb would be right if there are no alternatives. But there are. Sure, it might slow down temporarily the vaccination rate until there's a way to accurately weed out people that are prone to have this condition due to the J&J vaccine, but it's the right thing to do, IMO.

Its just that the J&J can get us closer to levels that give some semblance of herd immunity quickly. But Based on the retarded antivaccers I dont know if it is possible to reach anyway. At the rate we were achieving we were going to have normal school almost everywhere next fall which will free up so many parents, which I believe will lead to a domino effect on business as well. We need people back traveling and vacationing going to school and work. People back in restaurants... All of course imo.

Now I cursed it all.

[pgardn]

You and others hate truth and facts. It happens.

You...

Are a fckn idiot.

[Spurtacular]

You...

Are a fckn idiot.

For why? Tell me what is wrong about what I just said.

You can't. You're just being the cuckbot you are.

[pgardn]

For why? Tell me what is wrong about what I just said.

You can't. You're just being the cuckbot you are.

Whats wrong with your 9-11 theories...
You dont know shit about basic biology, you dont have a clue how the immune system or vaccines work.

You are more willing to take some complex drug to cure an ill rather than simply telling your own immune system what to do with bio molecules.
You fckn dont get it.

[Spurtacular]

Whats wrong with your 9-11 theories...
You dont know shit about basic biology, you dont have a clue how the immune system or vaccines work.

You are more willing to take some complex drug to cure an ill rather than simply telling your own immune system what to do with bio molecules.
You fckn dont get it.

I didn't ask for you to cry about your baggage. Justify your post on the merits or it just means you were lashing out like a little bitch.

[ElNono]

You and others hate truth and facts. It happens.

If we wanted to go look for truth and facts in gab, we would. We don't.

You already admitted not even checking what you shitpost here, so certainly we wouldn't expect you to know what's neither truth or fact.

[pgardn]

I didn't ask for you to cry about your baggage. Justify your post on the merits or it just means you were lashing out like a little bitch.

I just did you fckn idiot.

You would rather take some exotic drug that is very foreign to your body than let YOUR BODY'S OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM WORK like it does every damn day you breath in or eat something that has a chance of infecting you. You would rather try something much more difficult.
You are...

A fckn idiot.

Stop crying and try to read something worthwhile instead of your fantasy magazines/sites in your little tiny make up world devoid of women.

[Spurtacular]

If we wanted to go look for truth and facts in gab, we would. We don't.

You already admitted not even checking what you shitpost here, so certainly we wouldn't expect you to know what's neither truth or fact.

You want to lash out and have a permanent excuse. That is all. Absolutely nothing wrong with the link posted.

It's simply something that (badly) hurts your feelings.

Sure, I've admitted I don't fact check everything for your convenience. NYT and WaPo are constantly retracting and they allegedly have higher standards. You stop reading them? Or is this just a convenient position for you?

[Spurtacular]

I just did you fckn idiot.

You would rather take some exotic drug that is very foreign to your body than let YOUR BODY'S OWN IMMUNE SYSTEM WORK like it does every damn day you breath in or eat something that has a chance of infecting you. You would rather try something much more difficult.
You are...

A fckn idiot.

Stop crying and try to read something worthwhile instead of your fantasy magazines/sites in your little tiny make up world devoid of women.

Lashing out.

[pgardn]

Lashing out.

Use that when you get told the way it is.

Ouch... lashing out!

[ElNono]

You want to lash out and have a permanent excuse. That is all. Absolutely nothing wrong with the link posted.

It's simply something that (badly) hurts your feelings.

Sure, I've admitted I don't fact check everything for your convenience. NYT and WaPo are constantly retracting and they allegedly have higher standards. You stop reading them? Or is this just a convenient position for you?

You're not posting links to stories, dummy. You're posting links to retards. If I wanted to read Retard Central I would go to Retard Central. It's really not that complicated.

You already burned bridges with 3/4 of the people in this place, you need to start figuring out when your doing something stupid. I'm just the messenger here, I can put you back on ignore in a millisecond.

The last thing you want is nobody paying attention to you, that's exactly what you're here for. Get your shit together.

[Spurtacular]

Use that when you get told the way it is.

Ouch... lashing out!

I'm not just trying to troll you. You're cuckbotting for real.
Sorry if that hurts your feelings; but it has to be said.

[Spurtacular]

You're not posting links to stories, dummy. You're posting links to retards. If I wanted to read Retard Central I would go to Retard Central. It's really not that complicated.

You already burned bridges with 3/4 of the people in this place, you need to start figuring out when your doing something stupid. I'm just the messenger here, I can put you back on ignore in a millisecond.

The last thing you want is nobody paying attention to you, that's exactly what you're here for. Get your shit together.

You're speaking quite ignorantly. I posted a link of a video showing a Denmark official passing out seemingly in the wake an mRNA injection.

You're not a special case; I'm not going to find alternative links for you, snowflake.

[ElNono]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list.

[Spurtacular]

You're not posting links to stories, dummy. You're posting links to retards. If I wanted to read Retard Central I would go to Retard Central. It's really not that complicated.

You already burned bridges with 3/4 of the people in this place, you need to start figuring out when your doing something stupid. I'm just the messenger here, I can put you back on ignore in a millisecond.

The last thing you want is nobody paying attention to you, that's exactly what you're here for. Get your shit together.

Bridges to nowhere.

I'm here to post truth, not garner attention. I can see how you could assume the latter given the amount of tears I cause.

[DarrinS]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list.

:lmao

Why was I doing it the hard way?

[ElNono]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list.

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

Why was I doing it the hard way?

I'm the one who told you how, Karrins.

Try not to bleed out.

[ElNono]

:lmao

Why was I doing it the hard way?

I mean, it makes scrolling through garbage so much quicker, tbh

[Spurtacular]

I mean, it makes scrolling through garbage so much quicker, tbh

Too bad you can't ignore yourself if that's your mission, tbh.

[DarrinS]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list.


Don't have to scroll though that bullshit anymore. Thank God.

[Spurtacular]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list.


Don't have to scroll though that bullshit anymore. Thank God.

Again, it wasn't to make you cry, Karrins.

That was just bonus.

I don't see you ignoring the real spam bombers; so keep bleeding out of your wherever.

[ElNono]

I bet you he's still trying to talk to us :lmao... what a retard

[Spurtacular]

I bet you he's still trying to talk to us :lmao... what a retard

You talking to me, retard? :lol

[DarrinS]

I bet you he's still trying to talk to us :lmao... what a retard

:lmao

[Spurtacular]

:lmao

:lol Karrins thinks he's making friends.

[DarrinS]

This message is hidden because Spurtacular is on your ignore list.

[Ef-man]

I bet you he's still trying to talk to us :lmao... what a retard

:lol

My apologies for using the term but derptacular makes retards look like geniuses.

[Spurtacular]

:lol

My apologies for using the term but derptacular makes retards look like geniuses.

Is the term retard not PC for a cuckold to use among his fellow betas?

:lolK

[Ef-man]

Is the term retard not PC for a cuckold to use among his fellow betas?

:lolK

For a basement dwelling incel who faps listening to his mom who banged by alpha/beta male strangers (your mom does not care as long as there is no foreskin), you are delusional thinking I am Blake.

Go back to your bed and cry some more.

[Spurtacular]

For a basement dwelling incel who faps listening to his mom who banged by alpha/beta male strangers (your mom does not care as long as there is no foreskin), you are delusional thinking I am Blake.

Go back to your bed and cry some more.

I seen this movie. It's not very good.

[Ef-man]

I seen this movie. It's not very good.

So you videoed your mom getting banged by strangers?

Guess you were the one who posted them on youtube under the title "See my skank mom get banged."

Go cry some more incel and STFU.

[SnakeBoy]

I think bb would be right if there are no alternatives. But there are. Sure, it might slow down temporarily the vaccination rate until there's a way to accurately weed out people that are prone to have this condition due to the J&J vaccine, but it's the right thing to do, IMO.

Yeah my wife showed me the error in my initial thinking. I still think it gives a lot of fuel to the anti-vaxxers and those fuckers are effective at using anything they are given but as she pointed out it is incorrect to say it's a 1 in 1.2 million risk because it's only happened so far in women under 50. So the risk for that demographic is certainly higher. Pausing and getting more info is the right call.

[ChumpDumper]

I'm here to post truth, not garner attention.

I've admitted I don't fact check
:rollin

[hater]

Blood clots as prevalent with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine as with AstraZeneca's: study

A study by Oxford University found the number of people who receive blood clots after getting vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine are about the same for those who get Pfizer PFE, +0.03% and Moderna MRNA, +6.89% vaccines as they are for the AstraZeneca AZN, +1.32% vaccine that was produced with the university's help. According to the study, 4 in 1 million people experience cerebral venous thrombosis after getting the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, versus 5 in 1 million people for the AstraZeneca vaccine. The risk of getting CVT is much higher for those who get COVID-19 -- 39 in a million patients -- than it is for those for get vaccinated. AstraZeneca's vaccine use has been halted or limited in many countries on blood clot concerns.

Marketwatch

[Spurtacular]

:cry

We've been over this, Derp.

I lead the board in AVG and SLG%.

Keep gnawing on my ankles though.

[Spurtacular]

Blood clots as prevalent with Pfizer and Moderna vaccine as with AstraZeneca's: study

A study by Oxford University found the number of people who receive blood clots after getting vaccinated with a coronavirus vaccine are about the same for those who get Pfizer PFE, +0.03% and Moderna MRNA, +6.89% vaccines as they are for the AstraZeneca AZN, +1.32% vaccine that was produced with the university's help. According to the study, 4 in 1 million people experience cerebral venous thrombosis after getting the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine, versus 5 in 1 million people for the AstraZeneca vaccine. The risk of getting CVT is much higher for those who get COVID-19 -- 39 in a million patients -- than it is for those for get vaccinated. AstraZeneca's vaccine use has been halted or limited in many countries on blood clot concerns.

Marketwatch

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