Supreme Court allows Texas’ 6-week abortion ban to take effect

[Winehole23]

i think there's a better chance of getting people elected who will make strides toward that than just wishing all the rich people will privately fund it.no no, our only hope is that people with angelic temperaments will all act like angels in unison. anything else is tyranny.

[RandomGuy]

You're just a tad shy of Boutons and Cosmored, but still a solid echo chamber member.

That this is post hoc reasoning to resolve the cognitive dissonance from getting spanked repeatedly.

You know it isn't true and are just trolling here. Meh.

I will always change my mind from a good solid argument supported with evidence.

That kind of thing can seem "echo chamber" like when one is actually inside a cult. "but I showed him my cult propaganda meme, why didn't that work?" :lol

[spurraider21]

no no, our only hope is that people with angelic temperaments will all act like angels in unison. anything else is tyranny.
we can replace food stamps with a bunch of take a penny leave a penny jars

[Th'Pusher]

i've never disagreed with this. one thing we could also do is have more immigration judges so we can process more cases faster, ie expand the amount of legal immigration. we should also criminalize and enforce employers who hire illegals, something which isnt heavily emphasized right now

i dont think the border wall serves as much more than a symbol

Yeah. The milquetoast take nobody disagrees with. Like anyone here is actually arguing for open boarders.

He’s still got some wiggling to square his charity vs government take. Guessing he’ll attempt to rectify it with…stop putting words in my mouth…I never said the government didn’t serve a function here…

[DMC]

That this is post hoc reasoning to resolve the cognitive dissonance from getting spanked repeatedly.

You know it isn't true and are just trolling here. Meh.

I will always change my mind from a good solid argument supported with evidence.

That kind of thing can seem "echo chamber" like when one is actually inside a cult. "but I showed him my cult propaganda meme, why didn't that work?" :lol

:lol you're constantly trying to sound intelligent and constantly coming up short. You rarely if ever disagree with the left plus you lost your fucking mind in The Club more than once.

[DMC]

i think there's a better chance of getting people elected who will make strides toward that than just wishing all the rich people will privately fund it.

False dichotomy but by now I am not surprised.

[DMC]

Yeah. The milquetoast take nobody disagrees with. Like anyone here is actually arguing for open boarders.

He’s still got some wiggling to square his charity vs government take. Guessing he’ll attempt to rectify it with…stop putting words in my mouth…I never said the government didn’t serve a function here…

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

[DMC]

we can replace food stamps with a bunch of take a penny leave a penny jars

Your straw man arguments aren't making any headway.

[DMC]

lol arguing specs for DMC bingo

What you've inadvertently done is trademark phrases so in the future I can say "that's my shit" and I can use your silly Bingo board as evidence.

However, you did not invent Bingo nor the rules for it.

[Winehole23]

:lmao

[boutons_deux]

stacked, hyper-conservative, radical, Priscilla Owen! :lol 5th Circuit of course put unConstitutional TX abortion ban back in operation

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1446655420442058754?t

lol poor boots and chump

[Winehole23]

liberal legislatures are unlikely to trample constitutional rights in a like manner and the the Supreme Court is unlikely to uphold it if they do. not so sure about this case.

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[ElNono]

liberal legislatures are unlikely to trample constitutional rights in a like manner and the the Supreme Court is unlikely to uphold it if they do. not so sure about this case.

1447733411192389637

It's inevitable that this law is going to be found unconstitutional and repealed. The good news is that it will also set a precedent for other States trying to pull the same shenanigan.

At best, this law will cause the SCOTUS to review the viability standard and come up with a new, updated limit, but the likelihood that they will do away with a constitutional right is very near zero, IMO.

[Thread]

It's inevitable that this law is going to be found unconstitutional and repealed. The good news is that it will also set a precedent for other States trying to pull the same shenanigan.

At best, this law will cause the SCOTUS to review the viability standard and come up with a new, updated limit, but the likelihood that they will do away with a constitutional right is very near zero, IMO.

,,,in other words:::it's a good thing.
tee, hee.

[ElNono]

,,,in other words:::it's a good thing.
tee, hee.

For pro-choice, absolutely.

[Winehole23]

It's inevitable that this law is going to be found unconstitutional and repealed. The good news is that it will also set a precedent for other States trying to pull the same shenanigan.

At best, this law will cause the SCOTUS to review the viability standard and come up with a new, updated limit, but the likelihood that they will do away with a constitutional right is very near zero, IMO.hope you're right

[boutons_deux]

The children suffer:

Texas' cruel abortion law is impacting rape victims as young as 9 years old

the center where staff members told her of recent pregnant rape victims as young as 9 years old.

In one recent month, seven pregnant 12-year-olds

and their caregivers sought help at the advocacy center, Grigsby reported.
“You go down and meet with them for the first time and they look every bit 12 years old,”

“They’re small, young, in a cute little T-shirt and rainbow shoelaces.”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/16/2058495/-The-children-suffer-Texas-cruel-abortion-law-is-impacting-rape-victims-as-young-as-9-years-old

Forced by shithole TX shitbag Repugs to give birth: sub-teen victims.

[RandomGuy]

:lol you're constantly trying to sound intelligent and constantly coming up short. You rarely if ever disagree with the left plus you lost your fucking mind in The Club more than once.

:lol butthurt

The implication:

"disagreeing with the left is intelligent"

Why is this a basis for determining the soundness of any given argument? What if the left is correct or has the best policy on any given issue? or most issues? Abortion bans, a right wing policy, are fucking stupid on so many levels, both scientific and moral. Making abortions available and safe, a left-wing policy are both scientific and moral. Don't have to look farther than this thread for evidence of that.

If some group of policies is actively, provably, better, as policies commonly considered left are, then it would stand to reason that intelligent people would recognize that.

Your underlying assumption is one without evidence, and very telling.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I generally agree with The Left on abortion tbh. Canceling abortion rights or canceling a woman's right to choose to carry a pregnancy is a form of cancel culture, imo

[DMC]

:lol butthurt

The implication:

"disagreeing with the left is intelligent"

Why is this a basis for determining the soundness of any given argument? What if the left is correct or has the best policy on any given issue? or most issues? Abortion bans, a right wing policy, are fucking stupid on so many levels, both scientific and moral. Making abortions available and safe, a left-wing policy are both scientific and moral. Don't have to look farther than this thread for evidence of that.

If some group of policies is actively, provably, better, as policies commonly considered left are, then it would stand to reason that intelligent people would recognize that.

Your underlying assumption is one without evidence, and very telling.

It's quite simple. Neither side is "always right". Those who think otherwise are called Stans. You're a Stan, Stan.

[RandomGuy]

The implication:

"disagreeing with the left is intelligent"

Why is this a basis for determining the soundness of any given argument? What if the left is correct or has the best policy on any given issue? or most issues?


It's quite simple. Neither side is "always right". Those who think otherwise are called Stans. You're a Stan, Stan.

I don't think the left is always right. Sorry, hell even the post you are responding to alludes to that. See the bolded part that you didn't seem to understand, or actively lied about.

You try very hard to paint people you disagree with like this, so you can stick them in a boxes and just ad hominem anything they say.

Why do you think you lie so much about people here?

[RandomGuy]

I generally agree with The Left on abortion tbh. Canceling abortion rights or canceling a woman's right to choose to carry a pregnancy is a form of cancel culture, imo

Government forcing women to be pregnant and bear children is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. You get a cookie for not being a hypocrite there. kudos.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Government forcing women to be pregnant and bear children is inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. You get a cookie for not being a hypocrite there. kudos.

While gone are the days where I hated the bible as much as left wing ideology (that was more Bush administration era), I'll always be an atheist and a libertarian. Only religious nutcases believe that it should be unlawful to have an abortion. That's not as bad as, but in the same league of, Islamic sharia law that both the left and the American right tend to hate and be against. Of course in Islam a woman will be stoned to death for getting pregnant outside marriage but that's the opposite extreme. Religion to me is fucked up, especially religious law ideology.

If you want to believe in god, that's perfectly fine... 1st Amendment. But don't impose your views on others.

If you're like me and you do believe in preserving the environment, not just with CO2 but more importantly with pollution, deforestation and an overall waste of resources... you recycle and reduce waste, and don't pollute, drive a hybrid car (which I do), and don't cut down trees. But I don't believe in, and nobody should believe in, forcing others to do it by virtue of big government and eco-fascist laws like they have in California. Minimize plastic waste, I'm happy with. Zero plastic bags? Fuck that shit.... I'm not taking 20 trips to bring in my groceries from the car. $4/gallon gas? Get me the fuck outta there.

If you believe the covid vaccines currently being administered are effective against Fauci's virus, then it is your body and your absolute right to get those shots, just like with gardasil, tetanus, shingles or the flu shot. If you don't? (I fall in that camp) - then you shouldn't have to, and no government body or big business (corporatocracy is an arm of government, especially in the USA) should have the right to force people to against their will. That is libertarianism 101.

[RandomGuy]

While gone are the days where I hated the bible as much as left wing ideology (that was more Bush administration era), I'll always be an atheist and a libertarian. Only religious nutcases believe that it should be unlawful to have an abortion. That's not as bad as, but in the same league of, Islamic sharia law that both the left and the American right tend to hate and be against. Of course in Islam a woman will be stoned to death for getting pregnant outside marriage but that's the opposite extreme. Religion to me is fucked up, especially religious law ideology.

If you want to believe in god, that's perfectly fine... 1st Amendment. But don't impose your views on others.

If you're like me and you do believe in preserving the environment, not just with CO2 but more importantly with pollution, deforestation and an overall waste of resources... you recycle and reduce waste, and don't pollute, drive a hybrid car (which I do), and don't cut down trees. But I don't believe in, and nobody should believe in, forcing others to do it by virtue of big government and eco-fascist laws like they have in California. Minimize plastic waste, I'm happy with. Zero plastic bags? Fuck that shit.... I'm not taking 20 trips to bring in my groceries from the car. $4/gallon gas? Get me the fuck outta there.

If you believe the covid vaccines currently being administered are effective against Fauci's virus, then it is your body and your absolute right to get those shots, just like with gardasil, tetanus, shingles or the flu shot. If you don't? (I fall in that camp) - then you shouldn't have to, and no government body or big business (corporatocracy is an arm of government, especially in the USA) should have the right to force people to against their will. That is libertarianism 101.

Libertarianism is a failed ideology, like communism and fascism.

It fails morally, and it fails economically. It is laughably easy to shred. You have yet to have this belief system really challenged. If I am wrong, and it really is a superior way to organize a society, then it should be easy to show.

Let's get started on that.

What is the tragedy of the commons?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Libertarianism is a failed ideology, like communism and fascism.

It fails morally, and it fails economically. It is laughably easy to shred. You have yet to have this belief system really challenged. If I am wrong, and it really is a superior way to organize a society, then it should be easy to show.

Let's get started on that.

What is the tragedy of the commons?

The tragedy of the commons is a problem in economics that occurs when individuals neglect the well-being of society in the pursuit of personal gain


.....

Okay, but that is the essential fundamental of U.S. American foundation. If you don't like it... move to a more "everyone lives for each other" country, like in Europe or Japan or even Canada... quit trying to change America, quit trying to move America further to the left.

Libertarianism is the core fundamental ideology of Americanism.

It is most definitely NOT a "failed ideology" like communism, fascism, and *socialism (when implemented in non-small countries... i.e. it can be effective on a micro scale like Faroe Islands or even a Sweden or Norway, but NOT a very large population country especially such an ethnically and culturally diverse one such as the USA).

It definitely doesn't fail economically. Capitalism is a success as long as the fair tax laws are enforced, including on large corporations, whether traditional or innovative. The problem is the democratic party and their big biz cronies giving them big unfair tax breaks which further wreck the economy and keep the democratic party in power. They preach equality and left wing ideals but enforce them selectively. Especially amplified with big tech and Amazon paying net zero taxes. There needs to be an end to this.

[Trainwreck2100]

The tragedy of the commons is a problem in economics that occurs when individuals neglect the well-being of society in the pursuit of personal gain


.....

Okay, but that is the essential fundamental of U.S. American foundation. If you don't like it... move to a more "everyone lives for each other" country, like in Europe or Japan or even Canada... quit trying to change America, quit trying to move America further to the left.

Libertarianism is the core fundamental ideology of Americanism.

It is most definitely NOT a "failed ideology" like communism, fascism, and *socialism (when implemented in non-small countries... i.e. it can be effective on a micro scale like Faroe Islands or even a Sweden or Norway, but NOT a very large population country especially such an ethnically and culturally diverse one such as the USA).

It definitely doesn't fail economically. Capitalism is a success as long as the fair tax laws are enforced, including on large corporations, whether traditional or innovative. The problem is the democratic party and their big biz cronies giving them big unfair tax breaks which further wreck the economy and keep the democratic party in power. They preach equality and left wing ideals but enforce them selectively. Especially amplified with big tech and Amazon paying net zero taxes. There needs to be an end to this.
Ah yes the problem is the democratic party tax breaks when the repubs just gave away 2 trillion dollars

[Will Hunting]

The problem is the democratic party and their big biz cronies giving them big unfair tax breaks which further wreck the economy and keep the democratic party in power. They preach equality and left wing ideals but enforce them selectively. Especially amplified with big tech and Amazon paying net zero taxes. There needs to be an end to this.
:lmao you retards live in an alternative reality. The Trump tax scam was loaded with tax breaks for Amazon & Co.

What fucking Democrat-backed tax breaks for corporations are you even talking about? Be specific.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Ah yes the problem is the democratic party tax breaks when the repubs just gave away 2 trillion dollars

If you're talking about last year's stimulus, then yes, I agree, that one was stupid too and DJT never should have signed off on it. Even Obama was smarter than the stupid idea of giving away checks of free money.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao you retards live in an alternative reality. The Trump tax scam was loaded with tax breaks for Amazon & Co.

What fucking Democrat-backed tax breaks for corporations are you even talking about? Be specific.

I blasted the 2017-18 tax bill harder than anyone else not left of center... I agree there was a lot of terrible bullshit. I believe SALT tax should be deductible WITHOUT itemizing.

All the loopholes that allow big tech, wall street corps, etc... to basically get away with tax fraud every year by deducting mountains of miscellaneous crap as "business expenses". There should be a limit, say 25-40%, of total gross revenue that should be tax deductible by any corporation in any given year.

[Will Hunting]

I blasted the 2017-18 tax bill harder than anyone else not left of center... I agree there was a lot of terrible bullshit. I believe SALT tax should be deductible WITHOUT itemizing.

All the loopholes that allow big tech, wall street corps, etc... to basically get away with tax fraud every year by deducting mountains of miscellaneous crap as "business expenses". There should be a limit, say 25-40%, of total gross revenue that should be tax deductible by any corporation in any given year.
Bullshit you blasted it. Go find some quotes to prove it.

So which of those loopholes were Democrats more responsible for than Republicans? Are you seriously pretending the effort over the last 40 years to abate corporate tax liability hasn't been spearheaded by Reagan Republicans?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bullshit you blasted it. Go find some quotes to prove it.

So which of those loopholes were Democrats more responsible for than Republicans? Are you seriously pretending the effort over the last 40 years to abate corporate tax liability hasn't been spearheaded by Reagan Republicans?

Reagan? Definitely not a perfect president, but, the guy before him was responsible for the worst stagflation in American history and a lost key foreign ally in south central Asia.. .....Hmmmmmm, sound familiar?

[Will Hunting]

Reagan? Definitely not a perfect president, but, the guy before him was responsible for the worst stagflation in American history and a lost key foreign ally in south central Asia.. .....Hmmmmmm, sound familiar?
:lmao defending Reagan by deflecting.

[DMC]

https://i.imgur.com/Dbr5QEH.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao defending Reagan by deflecting.

Reagan deregulated, lowered taxes, continued Carter's budget deficit trend, got rid of shortages (supplies, oil, etc), renegotiated trade deals and treaties, lowered gas prices dramatically, did not get Iran back (but that was a lost cause... it was Carter or bust imo), but did get Libya off our backs, did negotiate with Gorbyachev to weaken the USSR and successfully convinced the USSR to ultimately disband... Reagan armed the mujahideen/pre Taliban as a proxy to Russia, which was a mistake.

So yeah, Reagan was a mixed bag. While Carter was a complete 4 year net negative. Nixon was a strong positive but he got got for Bill Belicheat tactics, so it is what it is.

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://i.imgur.com/Dbr5QEH.jpg
Obama over Bill Clinton? I'm surprised.

Obama was another mixed bag. his policy improved in his second term for sure, though - once he realized all his hopey changey bullshit was horse manure. Still, fuck him for tripling commercial healthcare premiums and roughly doubling out of pocket expenses. ACA is an enduring shitstain that even a GOP trifecta couldn't fix.

[ElNono]

Reagan deregulated, lowered taxes, continued Carter's budget deficit trend, got rid of shortages (supplies, oil, etc), renegotiated trade deals and treaties, lowered gas prices dramatically, did not get Iran back (but that was a lost cause... it was Carter or bust imo), but did get Libya off our backs, did negotiate with Gorbyachev to weaken the USSR and successfully convinced the USSR to ultimately disband... Reagan armed the mujahideen/pre Taliban as a proxy to Russia, which was a mistake.

So yeah, Reagan was a mixed bag. While Carter was a complete 4 year net negative. Nixon was a strong positive but he got got for Bill Belicheat tactics, so it is what it is.

Reagan raised taxes significantly during his tenure. Everybody remembers the 1981 tax cuts, but he increased taxes almost every year afterwards. And that's on top of record deficit spending. Carter is nowhere near close to Reagan when it comes to using the government credit card.

[DMC]

Obama over Bill Clinton? I'm surprised.

Obama was another mixed bag. his policy improved in his second term for sure, though - once he realized all his hopey changey bullshit was horse manure. Still, fuck him for tripling commercial healthcare premiums and roughly doubling out of pocket expenses. ACA is an enduring shitstain that even a GOP trifecta couldn't fix.

He won the Nobel peace prize his 1st day in office. Hard to beat that. If Bill won that, he would have shoved it up Monica's gooch.

[ElNono]

Obama was one of the most popular presidents ever... Not to mention he inherited an absolute clusterfuck and turned things around.

That doesn't mean I personally like Obama (and there's plenty to criticize him for), but his popularity and appeal with the vast majority of the electorate is undeniable.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Reagan raised taxes significantly during his tenure. Everybody remembers the 1981 tax cuts, but he increased taxes almost every year afterwards. And that's on top of record deficit spending. Carter is nowhere near close to Reagan when it comes to using the government credit card.

Maybe true, but Carter started the debt that is now currently ~30T, before him it was virtually zero. And Reagan shored up the late 70s supply shortages, which 2021 has come to rival.


He won the Nobel peace prize his 1st day in office. Hard to beat that. If Bill won that, he would have shoved it up Monica's gooch.

Haha funnay, but everyone knows the Nobel Peace Prize is bullshit, if ya wanna use that then forget the fact Trump won it last year with the Israel/UAE treaty, but don't forget that of all people... Mahmoud Ahmedinejad (:lmao) won the Nobel Peace Prize just months after beating hundreds of thousands of young Iranians to a bloody pulp with batons for voting against him in a rigged election in the summer of '09.

Obama didn't do shit about that, too. 2009 was our only other chance since 1979 to take back Iran as an ally instead of a forsworn enemy, and Obama fell asleep at the switch. Probably busy driving one into a sand bunker or hazard, tbh.

[ElNono]

Maybe true, but Carter started the debt that is now currently ~30T, before him it was virtually zero. And Reagan shored up the late 70s supply shortages, which 2021 has come to rival.

As long as the debt is in US dollars and internal, the amount is not really important, as it only affects inflation and inflation only matter vis a vis inflation in other currencies.

For all that money we still had an average inflation rate of ~2.3% which is exactly what it's been historically.

And Reagan didn't complain one bit about the debt. Neither did Reagan fans. He actually used it as a tool to pay for his taxcuts, which really means he shifted the burden to all Americans, because he didn't cut any spending.

Also, completely different situations about the 70s and now. There was no major worldwide catastrophe in the 70s. The supply issues right now (which drive temporary inflation) are not limited to the US, unlike in the 70s.

[boutons_deux]

"There was no major worldwide catastrophe in the 70s."

barrel of oil went from $3 to $33

[ElNono]

barrel of oil went from $3 to $33


There was no major worldwide catastrophe in the 70s.

[Winehole23]

Lucked out, no thanks to skittish Texas doctors

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[Winehole23]

The Supreme Court hearing on whether there can be injunctive relief against SB 8 and US v Texas is today:

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[Winehole23]

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[boutons_deux]

It's a TRAP

MSNBC legal experts surprised at Kavanaugh and Barrett 'skepticism' over Texas abortion law

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/brett-kavanaugh-amy-comey-barrett.jpg?id=27862472&width=980&height=551

"Well, the thing that seems significant to me, if not extraordinary, is the open skepticism, if not downright hostility we've seen by Justices Kavanaugh and [Amy Coney] Barrett,"

"And with those two votes, we could see a successful challenge to SB-8."

if a state can do this with abortion rights, can't a state do the same with gun rights and other things?"
[B]
"The answer to that was about how we have to trust states to be faithful to the Constitution.

Well, if Texas isn't faithful to the Constitution here,

I don't see how we can expect that elsewhere.

That was a powerful moment in the argument."

https://www.rawstory.com/msnbc-legal-experts-surprised-at-kavanaugh-and-coney-barrett-skepticism-over-texas-abortion-law

The Repugs/Capitalists/Christian don't GAF about the Constitution. Their priorities ignore the Constitution

[boutons_deux]

Justice Kagan burns down Texas abortion law:

'Isn't the point of a right that you don't have to ask Congress?'

Kavanaugh suggested that new laws could make gun shops liable for millions of dollars if they sell assault-style rifles.

Texas Solicitor General Judd Stone agreed that

"all constitutional rights" could be curtailed in the same fashion as abortion rights

if Congress allows it. :lol whose side is he on?

Kagan asked

"Isn't the point of a right that

it doesn't really matter what Congress thinks or what the majority of the American people think as to that right?"

https://www.rawstory.com/elena-kagan-texas-abortion-law

[Thread]

>>>>>>>>>It's a TRAP<<<<<<<<<

MSNBC legal experts surprised at Kavanaugh and Barrett 'skepticism' over Texas abortion law

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/brett-kavanaugh-amy-comey-barrett.jpg?id=27862472&width=980&height=551

"Well, the thing that seems significant to me, if not extraordinary, is the open skepticism, if not downright hostility we've seen by Justices Kavanaugh and [Amy Coney] Barrett,"

"And with those two votes, we could see a successful challenge to SB-8."

if a state can do this with abortion rights, can't a state do the same with gun rights and other things?"
[B]
"The answer to that was about how we have to trust states to be faithful to the Constitution.

Well, if Texas isn't faithful to the Constitution here,

I don't see how we can expect that elsewhere.

That was a powerful moment in the argument."

https://www.rawstory.com/msnbc-legal-experts-surprised-at-kavanaugh-and-coney-barrett-skepticism-over-texas-abortion-law

The Repugs/Capitalists/Christian don't GAF about the Constitution. Their priorities ignore the Constitution

>>>>>>>>>bouts, abashedly gettin' his hopes up.<<<<<<<<<

bouts

[boutons_deux]

Six Supreme Court justices appear to be leaning towards dismantling the Texas abortion law

https://www.rawstory.com/texas-anti-abortion-law-supreme-court

[RandomGuy]

The tragedy of the commons is a problem in economics that occurs when individuals neglect the well-being of society in the pursuit of personal gain


.....

Okay, but that is the essential fundamental of U.S. American foundation. If you don't like it... move to a more "everyone lives for each other" country, like in Europe or Japan or even Canada... quit trying to change America, quit trying to move America further to the left.

Libertarianism is the core fundamental ideology of Americanism.

It is most definitely NOT a "failed ideology" like communism, fascism, and *socialism (when implemented in non-small countries... i.e. it can be effective on a micro scale like Faroe Islands or even a Sweden or Norway, but NOT a very large population country especially such an ethnically and culturally diverse one such as the USA).

It definitely doesn't fail economically. Capitalism is a success as long as the fair tax laws are enforced, including on large corporations, whether traditional or innovative. The problem is the democratic party and their big biz cronies giving them big unfair tax breaks which further wreck the economy and keep the democratic party in power. They preach equality and left wing ideals but enforce them selectively. Especially amplified with big tech and Amazon paying net zero taxes. There needs to be an end to this.

So you managed to look up the definition of tragedy of the commons. It's a good first step.

Solve the tragedy of the commons with a solution that is consistent with libertarian principles. Give me a working solution.

We can then move on to negative externalities, and the inevitable failures of free markets.

[RandomGuy]

Reagan deregulated, lowered taxes, continued Carter's budget deficit trend, got rid of shortages (supplies, oil, etc), renegotiated trade deals and treaties, lowered gas prices dramatically, did not get Iran back (but that was a lost cause... it was Carter or bust imo), but did get Libya off our backs, did negotiate with Gorbyachev to weaken the USSR and successfully convinced the USSR to ultimately disband... Reagan armed the mujahideen/pre Taliban as a proxy to Russia, which was a mistake.

So yeah, Reagan was a mixed bag. While Carter was a complete 4 year net negative. Nixon was a strong positive but he got got for Bill Belicheat tactics, so it is what it is.

Nixon got straight up implicated in a crime. :lol

[RandomGuy]

It's a TRAP

MSNBC legal experts surprised at Kavanaugh and Barrett 'skepticism' over Texas abortion law

https://www.rawstory.com/media-library/brett-kavanaugh-amy-comey-barrett.jpg?id=27862472&width=980&height=551

"Well, the thing that seems significant to me, if not extraordinary, is the open skepticism, if not downright hostility we've seen by Justices Kavanaugh and [Amy Coney] Barrett,"

"And with those two votes, we could see a successful challenge to SB-8."

if a state can do this with abortion rights, can't a state do the same with gun rights and other things?"
[B]
"The answer to that was about how we have to trust states to be faithful to the Constitution.

Well, if Texas isn't faithful to the Constitution here,

I don't see how we can expect that elsewhere.

That was a powerful moment in the argument."

https://www.rawstory.com/msnbc-legal-experts-surprised-at-kavanaugh-and-coney-barrett-skepticism-over-texas-abortion-law

The Repugs/Capitalists/Christian don't GAF about the Constitution. Their priorities ignore the Constitution

Letting the Texas law stands opens up a nightmarish hellscape of private vigilantism that even dipshits like these two understand the dangers of.

The backers of this law are going to be roundly disappointed. The only real question is how many of them will call in death threats for the perceived betrayal of these two justices, and if any of those anti-abortion extremists will act on that.

[Winehole23]

Letting the Texas law stands opens up a nightmarish hellscape of private vigilantism that even dipshits like these two understand the dangers of.

The backers of this law are going to be roundly disappointed. The only real question is how many of them will call in death threats for the perceived betrayal of these two justices, and if any of those anti-abortion extremists will act on that.The Texas lawyer straight up admitted the SB 8 legal scheme would be valid wielded against 2A or religious rights.

[RandomGuy]

The Texas lawyer straight up admitted the SB 8 legal scheme would be valid wielded against 2A or religious rights.

If I had to pick something for the betting pool I would go for a unanimous squashing.

[Winehole23]

If I had to pick something for the betting pool I would go for a unanimous squashing.Alito and Gorsuch seemed skeptical about the procedural issues with letting the district court injunction stand. Trying to read the tea-leaves based on SC questions is admittedly more of an art than a science, tbh.

I'm more interested in how they come down on US v Texas. If the federal government can't rein in states hell bent on denying constitutional rights, that seems much more momentous to me. Seems the overall legal strategy in and out of the Supreme Court is to buy time for Trump installed justices to overturn Roe v. Wade.

[boutons_deux]

Letting the Texas law stands opens up a nightmarish hellscape of private vigilantism that even dipshits like these two understand the dangers of.

The backers of this law are going to be roundly disappointed. The only real question is how many of them will call in death threats for the perceived betrayal of these two justices, and if any of those anti-abortion extremists will act on that.

Vigilantism is one aspect, but I think the Catholic SCOTUS5 Papists feel TX is usurping their role as misogynists to outlaw abortion, which they will rule on sooner or later.

[ElNono]

This just isn't going to stand. It's patently obvious that if we wanted to allow States to effectively nullify Constitutional rights, then we would've done so a long time ago, and would be within a framework delineated by the actual US Constitution, not a legal technicality.

If this were to stand it would apply evenly to every Constitutional right. Just not going to happen.

I just want to thank the citizens of Texas for burning through their State's time and money with another stupid legal theory while re-affirming a women's constitutional right to choose. :tu

[Will Hunting]

This just isn't going to stand. It's patently obvious that if we wanted to allow States to effectively nullify Constitutional rights, then we would've done so a long time ago, and would be within a framework delineated by the actual US Constitution, not a legal technicality.

If this were to stand it would apply evenly to every Constitutional right. Just not going to happen.

I just want to thank the citizens of Texas for burning through their State's time and money with another stupid legal theory while re-affirming a women's constitutional right to choose. :tu
:lol If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found unconstitutional.

[Will Hunting]

Listening to oral arguments, Kavanaugh and Barrett actually asked good faith, articulate questions for the most part, while Gorsuch & Alito made no effort to hide the fact they're partisan hacks. Roberts just seemed like he was over it altogether.

[baseline bum]

:lol If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found unconstitutional.

Those corporations can all afford good lawyers unlike people working at Planned Parenthood.

[Will Hunting]

Those corporations can all afford good lawyers unlike people working at Planned Parenthood.
Do what SB8 does and make it so their lawyers can be jointly and severally liable for the other side's legal fees of they represent them.

[baseline bum]

Listening to oral arguments, Kavanaugh and Barrett actually asked good faith, articulate questions for the most part, while Gorsuch & Alito made no effort to hide the fact they're partisan hacks. Roberts just seemed like he was over it altogether.

Good faith would have been stopping this law from ever taking effect. They know they have to invalidate it or we'd have a fucking civil war when California starts putting bounties on gun store owners and such. But Barrett and Kavanaugh wanted to troll the libs by letting the Texas law stand for a while before they uphold the Mississippi law banning at 15 weeks next month.

[Will Hunting]

That's just one idea btw. It'd be hilarious if California and New York passed a law that created a bounty against anyone speaking in tongues....god knows those Pentecostal retards can't afford lawyers.

[Will Hunting]

Good faith would have been stopping this law from ever taking effect. They know they have to invalidate it or we'd have a fucking civil war when California starts putting bounties on gun store owners and such. But Barrett and Kavanaugh wanted to troll the libs by letting the Texas law stand for a while before they uphold the Mississippi law banning at 15 weeks next month.
I want them to overturn Roe at this point tho. There's already large swaths of the country that have to drive 100+ miles to get an abortion, overturning Roe altogether wouldn't change much at this point, it'd just depress evangelical turnout in elections.

[baseline bum]

I want them to overturn Roe at this point tho. There's already large swaths of the country that have to drive 100+ miles to get an abortion, overturning Roe altogether wouldn't change much at this point, it'd just depress evangelical turnout in elections.

The GOP would find their next wedge issue and evangelicals would flock to it. Shitbag white evangelicals didn't give a fuck about abortion until the GOP made it their big wedge issue with Reagan.

[Will Hunting]

The GOP would find their next wedge issue and evangelicals would flock to it. Shitbag white evangelicals didn't give a fuck about abortion until the GOP made it their big wedge issue with Reagan.
Agreed but I don't think they'll find another wedge issue as effective as abortion is.

Overturning Roe will also drive huge turnout from younger libs and it'll ensure the suburbs keep shifting left.

[baseline bum]

Agreed but I don't think they'll find another wedge issue as effective as abortion is.

Overturning Roe will also drive huge turnout from younger libs and it'll ensure the suburbs keep shifting left.

Why wouldn't the GOP find something as effective? White evangelicals didn't care about abortion before the GOP told them to view it as the greatest evil on Earth. They'll do as they're told again. I'm not convinced even a war in the Middle East with a national draft would drive huge turnout from young people.

[Will Hunting]

Why wouldn't the GOP find something as effective? White evangelicals didn't care about abortion before the GOP told them to view it as the greatest evil on Earth. They'll do as they're told again. I'm not convinced even a war in the Middle East with a national draft would drive huge turnout from young people.
Because an adverse SCOTUS ruling that gutted abortion restrictions across the country + "muh babies are being killed!" is what made abortion such a compelling issue.

The current SCOTUS we have ain't issuing any ruling adverse to evangelicals anytime soon, and after decades of overturning Roe being hyped up as the ultimate end game, the GOP isn't gonna be able to just replace it with something else overnight.

[boutons_deux]

Why wouldn't the GOP find something as effective? White evangelicals didn't care about abortion before the GOP told them to view it as the greatest evil on Earth. They'll do as they're told again. I'm not convinced even a war in the Middle East with a national draft would drive huge turnout from young people.

Abortion, essentially misogyny and racism, has been the primary wedge issue for 50 years,

onto which Repugs and money-grubbing pastors added LGBT hate.

I expect the Catholic SOCTUS6 to overturn Obergefell, imposing Popery ethics and OT hate on America.

After Jan 2025, I expect the Repugs to pass Federal laws severely restricting vote-by-mail

[Will Hunting]

Abortion, essentially misogyny and racism, has been the primary wedge issue for 50 years,

onto which Repugs and money-grubbing pastors added LGBT hate.

I expect the Catholic SOCTUS6 to overturn Obergefell, imposing Popery ethics and OT hate on America.

After Jan 2025, I expect the Repugs to pass Federal laws severely restricting vote-by-mail
SCOTUS isn't gonna touch Obergefell.

[spurraider21]

:lol If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found unconstitutional.
Or owning firearms

or being unvaccinated. Or not wearing masks

[Will Hunting]

Or owning firearms

or being unvaccinated. Or not wearing masks
Selling firearms would be better imo but yes

[Millennial_Messiah]

So you managed to look up the definition of tragedy of the commons. It's a good first step.

Solve the tragedy of the commons with a solution that is consistent with libertarian principles. Give me a working solution.

We can then move on to negative externalities, and the inevitable failures of free markets.

The whole "others" argument is such bullshit. People that live for themselves, love thyself first are the happiest, richest, wealthiest people. People that chronically worry about others and love others over themselves are always poor, struggling, pissed, and unhappy.

Always put yourself first. That is libertarianism in a nutshell.


Nixon got straight up implicated in a crime. :lol
And? So did a lot of people. Bill Clinton himself, though he was one of the better Democrat presidents.

[ElNono]

:lol If SCOTUS lets this stand, California and New York need to immediately pass laws issuing bounties on any corporation that violates the provisions Feingold-McCain Act that Citizens United found unconstitutional.

Or let any citizen sue gun owners for up to 1 million. I mean, it's a free for all.

[Winehole23]

Alito and Gorsuch seemed skeptical about the procedural issues with letting the district court injunction stand. Trying to read the tea-leaves based on SC questions is admittedly more of an art than a science, tbh.

I'm more interested in how they come down on US v Texas. If the federal government can't rein in states hell bent on denying constitutional rights, that seems much more momentous to me. Seems the overall legal strategy in and out of the Supreme Court is to buy time for Trump installed justices to overturn Roe v. Wade.Putting off til the spring buys the antis time to wend their cases through the courts and continue to deny women's rights in Texas. It's outrageous that this should be allowed to stand one more second.

[Winehole23]

I guess I shouldn't be bothered at the lack of mention of women's rights, bodily autonomy and access to medical care.

Except it does, I guess. Women are people and should receive all the appertaining rights and liberties, instead of being feudalistic marriage cows.

(shrugs)

[boutons_deux]

Fetal "Heartbeat" Policy Kills Another Woman (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/8/2058087/-Fetal-Heartbeat-Policy-Kills-Another-Woman)

"The baby weighs 485 grams. (17 oz)

For now, thanks to the abortion law, I have to lie down. And there is nothing they can do.

They'll wait until it dies or something begins, and if not, I can expect sepsis,"

Izabela said in a text message to her mother, private broadcaster TVN24 reported.

Izabela, a 22 year old Polish woman, died from the sepsis she predicted, and

her death has sparked last weekend’s massive Polish protests against the increasingly draconian abortion laws in Poland

Polish antiabortionists are pretending that Izabela’s death resulted from a misunderstanding of the law which states that abortion is permissible if the life of the pregnant woman is at risk.

Not so.

Isabela’s doctors acted unethically and yet rationally in terms of their own self-interest.

The punishment for “killing” a fetus with a heartbeat, regardless of whether it will die soon anyway, is years in prison.

Punishment for allowing the unnecessary death of a woman suffering from a stalled miscarriage is perhaps an increasing price for malpractice insurance.

Expect more miscarriage deaths in this country when Roe is overturned.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/8/2058087/-Fetal-Heartbeat-Policy-Kills-Another-Woman

Poland is one of the most Catholic countries

[koriwhat]

Fetal "Heartbeat" Policy Kills Another Woman (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/8/2058087/-Fetal-Heartbeat-Policy-Kills-Another-Woman)

"The baby weighs 485 grams. (17 oz)

For now, thanks to the abortion law, I have to lie down. And there is nothing they can do.

They'll wait until it dies or something begins, and if not, I can expect sepsis,"

Izabela said in a text message to her mother, private broadcaster TVN24 reported.

Izabela, a 22 year old Polish woman, died from the sepsis she predicted, and

her death has sparked last weekend’s massive Polish protests against the increasingly draconian abortion laws in Poland

Polish antiabortionists are pretending that Izabela’s death resulted from a misunderstanding of the law which states that abortion is permissible if the life of the pregnant woman is at risk.

Not so.

Isabela’s doctors acted unethically and yet rationally in terms of their own self-interest.

The punishment for “killing” a fetus with a heartbeat, regardless of whether it will die soon anyway, is years in prison.

Punishment for allowing the unnecessary death of a woman suffering from a stalled miscarriage is perhaps an increasing price for malpractice insurance.

Expect more miscarriage deaths in this country when Roe is overturned.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/8/2058087/-Fetal-Heartbeat-Policy-Kills-Another-Woman

Poland is one of the most Catholic countries

WGAF about Poland or your spam posts?

[RandomGuy]

Fetal "Heartbeat" Policy Kills Another Woman (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/8/2058087/-Fetal-Heartbeat-Policy-Kills-Another-Woman)

"The baby weighs 485 grams. (17 oz)

For now, thanks to the abortion law, I have to lie down. And there is nothing they can do.

They'll wait until it dies or something begins, and if not, I can expect sepsis,"

Izabela said in a text message to her mother, private broadcaster TVN24 reported.

Izabela, a 22 year old Polish woman, died from the sepsis she predicted, and

her death has sparked last weekend’s massive Polish protests against the increasingly draconian abortion laws in Poland

Polish antiabortionists are pretending that Izabela’s death resulted from a misunderstanding of the law which states that abortion is permissible if the life of the pregnant woman is at risk.

Not so.

Isabela’s doctors acted unethically and yet rationally in terms of their own self-interest.

The punishment for “killing” a fetus with a heartbeat, regardless of whether it will die soon anyway, is years in prison.

Punishment for allowing the unnecessary death of a woman suffering from a stalled miscarriage is perhaps an increasing price for malpractice insurance.

Expect more miscarriage deaths in this country when Roe is overturned.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/11/8/2058087/-Fetal-Heartbeat-Policy-Kills-Another-Woman

Poland is one of the most Catholic countries

Where is Frostking on this one?

[Winehole23]

SB 8 bans necessary medical care

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[Winehole23]

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[Winehole23]

if a ruling in favor of MS on Dobbs comes first, would that moot the Texas case, right?

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[Winehole23]

if a 9 year old is pregnant, the chances she was raped are pretty much 100%

the Texas abortion ban includes no exception for such cases.

1464215160197943296

[boutons_deux]

Bad week for forced-birth misogynists

Supreme Court allows abortion providers to sue over Texas law

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/585278-supreme-court-allows-abortion-providers-to-sue-over-texas-law?userid=902943

[boutons_deux]

Texas Judge Declares Abortion Law Unconstitutional But Doesn't Block Enforcement


https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/texas-news/texas-judge-declares-abortion-law-unconstitutional-but-doesnt-block-enforcement/2835391/

[boutons_deux]

Apology & confession from one of the architects of the Right-Wing misogynistic pro-life movement

Frank Schaeffer (http://egbertowillies.com/tag/frank-schaeffer), former Evangelical pariah and author of "Why I am an Atheist Who Believes in GOD (https://amzn.to/3EDtprT)," continues his apology tou

Schaeffer explains how a group of Evangelical Christians distorted the movement.

He said that before they deceived their followers, more than 50% of Evangelicals were pro-choice, including the likes of Billy Graham.

Ironically, Graham's son has become a stone-cold Evangelical hack."We come from a place where we have acted as if this is part of Christian theology," Schaeffer said.

"It is not.

And the second thing is is that my family, sadly, as I talk about in the book, went out of its way not to stop abortion but

to put women back in their place.

This was a misogynistic movement.

And I'll tell you something you cannot be pro-family unless you are pro-choice because if

women are treated like nothing more than incubating vessels, second-class citizens, and

this horrible burden that nature and evolution or god or whoever the creator was, puts on women.

If this is not balanced by the right to choose, we cannot have an equal society.

Women cannot have careers. Women cannot have lives."https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/8/2068166/-Apology-amp-confession-from-one-of-the-architects-of-the-Right-Wing-misogynistic-pro-life-movement

[boutons_deux]

Until Repugs pass a Federal law criminalizing abortion

This state just released a detailed plan on how it will become a 'sanctuary' for abortion services

lawmakers in California released a plan on how to make the state a “sanctuary” for anyone who seeks an abortion.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/8/2068267/-This-state-just-released-a-detailed-plan-on-how-it-will-become-a-sanctuary-for-abortion-services

[Thread]

Supreme Court allows Texas anti abortion law to remain law.

Rittenhouse.
Smellit.
Texas anti abortion law remains law.
They were selling your shit.
LeBron wins my 17th to spite himself/tee, hee.

Let us proceed...

[Thread]

Until Repugs pass a Federal law criminalizing abortion

This state just released a detailed plan on how it will become a 'sanctuary' for abortion services

lawmakers in California released a plan on how to make the state a “sanctuary” for anyone who seeks an abortion.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/8/2068267/-This-state-just-released-a-detailed-plan-on-how-it-will-become-a-sanctuary-for-abortion-services

But not in Texas, bouts. Uh, uh.

That old man stuck 3 ringers in that SC///Stuck 'em solid. 3-THREE-3.

[DMC]

Supreme Court allows Texas anti abortion law to remain law.

Rittenhouse.
Smellit.
Texas anti abortion law remains law.
They were selling your shit.
LeBron wins my 17th to spite himself/tee, hee.

Let us proceed...

Hillary reading her epitaph publicly and crying about it

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGQbNDaXsAE_21j?format=png&name=900x900

[Winehole23]

Challenges allowed to proceed, stay upheld.

[Winehole23]

SCOTUS just blessed a law designed to evade constitutional review.

[Winehole23]

1469885000254427138of course, there would be some ad hoc rationale for some constitutional rights being relatively more deserving of protection.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGYCbvDVIAI2byr?format=jpg&name=large

[HemisfairArena]

if a 9 year old is pregnant, the chances she was raped are pretty much 100%

the Texas abortion ban includes no exception for such cases.

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So you bring up a case about a 9 year old that happens one in a million so the other 999,999 can slaughter babies in the womb simply because they are inconvenient. Nice.

[ChumpDumper]

So you bring up a case about a 9 year old that happens one in a million so the other 999,999 can slaughter babies in the womb simply because they are inconvenient. Nice.You want ot take care of all these babies?

Step up then.

[HemisfairArena]

You want ot take care of all these babies?

Step up then.

As long as you take in all the illegals. Step up, chump sucker.

[ChumpDumper]

As long as you take in all the illegals. Step up, chump sucker.I'm fine with deporting the illegals like what's happening now.

How many babies are you taking now?

1000?

10,000?

Step up.

[HemisfairArena]

I'm fine with deporting the illegals like what's happening now.

How many babies are you taking now?

1000?

10,000?

Step up.
Let me see you deporting illegals...then we'll talk. Never trust a liberal.

[Winehole23]

Let me see you deporting illegals...then we'll talk. Never trust a liberal.Bolshveik Brandon is putting Trump in the shade, tbh. So did Obama, btw.

[HemisfairArena]

Bolshveik Brandon is putting Trump in the shade, tbh. So did Obama, btw.

Who are they?

[Winehole23]

Who are they?Presidents who deported more than Trump. By far.

[ChumpDumper]

Let me see you deporting illegals...Not my job. Adoption of unwanted children is yours.

Why are you shitting on your own beliefs?

Not even fostering? Tsk tsk.

[HemisfairArena]

Presidents who deported more than Trump. By far.

I dont doubt that since liberals blocked any move Trump tried to do when deporting illegals. But remain in mexico policy tells you all you need to know. Democrats fought like hell to stop it and now Biden admits it works.

[HemisfairArena]

Not my job. Adoption of unwanted children is yours.

Why are you shitting on your own beliefs?

Not even fostering? Tsk tsk.

Let me know when you deport illegals..then we'll talk.

[Winehole23]

Presidents who deported more than Trump. By far.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_6HLMfVkAw4DwO?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkxoHPmUUAAguzD.jpg:large
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277048&page=94&p=10617044&viewfull=1#post10617044

[Winehole23]

Trump was weak on immigration, relative to his predecessor and his successor.

[DMC]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_6HLMfVkAw4DwO?format=jpg&name=900x900

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkxoHPmUUAAguzD.jpg:large
https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277048&page=94&p=10617044&viewfull=1#post10617044

:tu

[HemisfairArena]

winehouse...do you always quote liberal rags? What a joke. How about I quote far right rags as my sources too?

[HemisfairArena]

Truthout?....bwahahaha

[ChumpDumper]

Let me know when you deport illegals..then we'll talk.Your principles for saving tiny baby lives depend solely on my personally deporting illegals from north Austin.

You don't really believe in anything, do you?

[Winehole23]

Truthout?....bwahahahaTruthout is pissed at Brandon for doing it, tbh.

Did you think they were bragging? :lol

[ChumpDumper]

Trump was weak on immigration, relatively to his predecessor and his successor.


:tu

:lol

[HemisfairArena]

Truthout is pissed at Boden for doing it, tbh.

Sure

[HemisfairArena]

Your principles for saving tiny baby lives depend solely on my personally deporting illegals from north Austin.

You don't really believe in anything, do you?

I believe you know nothing. Does that count?

[DMC]

WH is right.

[ChumpDumper]

I believe you know nothing. Does that count?Do you believe you should be personally saving unwanted babies?

Yes or no.

This will count.

[ChumpDumper]

WH is right.

No shit, dumbass.

:lol "ignore"

[DMC]

ChumpDumper
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:lol

[DMC]

ChumpDumper
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Remove user from ignore list

:lmao

[HemisfairArena]

Do you believe you should be personally saving unwanted babies?

Yes or no.

This will count.


Do you believe babies(or any human life) should have no say whether they live or die?
Yes or no.
This will count.

Why do liberals fight so hard to kill babies in the womb and yet fight so hard to abolish death row?

[Winehole23]

WH is right."never trust a liberal"

[DMC]

"never trust a liberal"

Trump was weak on immigration because not nearly as many people flooded the borders under Trump as under the two dems. Dem policy is known by people wanting to take advantage of it.

So you've established (and I agreed) that the dems lock up more immigrants than did Trump. Tear down that wall, only lock those up who cross.

But yeah, the numbers seem accurate to me.

[ChumpDumper]

Do you believe babies(or any human life) should have no say whether they live or die?Babies in the womb have no say by definition unless you say you can hear them somehow.

Can you literally hear them?

Yes or no.

This answer will count if you don't dodge it like the last two.

You won't save any unwanted babies yourself so what do you care?

[Ef-man]

No shit, dumbass.

:lol "ignore"

You know he is ignoring you, not.

He fantasizes about you and WH, wearing masks, sequestered in a bedroom, wearing togas!

Get ready for his interview. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You know he is ignoring you, not.

He fantasizes about you and WH, wearing masks, sequestered in a bedroom, wearing togas!

Get ready for his interview. :lolHe uses alts to reply to me now.:lol

[HemisfairArena]

Babies in the womb have no say by definition unless you say you can hear them somehow.

Can you literally hear them?

Yes or no.

This answer will count if you don't dodge it like the last two.

You won't save any unwanted babies yourself so what do you care?

So I guess we can slaughter all mutes too. We cant hear them either. Yes or no?

[Winehole23]

Trump was weak on immigration because not nearly as many people flooded the borders under Trump as under the two dems. Dem policy is known by people wanting to take advantage of it.

So you've established (and I agreed) that the dems lock up more immigrants than did Trump. Tear down that wall, only lock those up who cross.

But yeah, the numbers seem accurate to me.You should keep saying Brandon is conservative, loudly. I don't think your fellow conservatives can hear you.

Maybe they have wax in their ears, or refuse to remove the blindfold.

[Winehole23]

winehouse...do you always quote liberal rags? What a joke. How about I quote far right rags as my sources too?as much as I've posted in this forum, I'd venture I've cited a greater variety of right wing rags than anyone here.

Reason, Commentary, First Things, Chronicles, AmConMag, National Review, the American Standard, I can go on if you'd like.

[ChumpDumper]

So I guess we can slaughter all mutes too. We cant hear them either. Yes or no?They certainly have a say since they can clearly communicate their wishes.

You won't personally save any unwanted babies yourself so what do you care?

[ElNono]

The SCOTUS made no mention or ruling on the Constitutionality of the law yet... heard arguments, and that's it. Eventually they'll have to rule on that, and we'll see what happens then.

[baseline bum]

The SCOTUS made no mention or ruling on the Constitutionality of the law yet... heard arguments, and that's it. Eventually they'll have to rule on that, and we'll see what happens then.

They'll uphold the MS law and then strike the TX one down as proof that they're not Republican judges but instead honest brokers.

[Winehole23]

They'll uphold the MS law and then strike the TX one down as proof that they're not Republican judges but instead honest brokers.If they uphold the MS law, why would they need to strike down the TX law?

[baseline bum]

If they uphold the MS law, why would they need to strike down the TX law?

To set precedent so California can't pass a law to pay people to sue gun stores.

[Winehole23]

To set precedent so California can't pass a law to pay people to sue gun stores.makes sense, but then why did they allow the law to stand under challenge instead of granting the preliminary injunction? that move effectively bans abortion in Texas. hard to imagine they'd do the same for a CA law permitting vigilante lawsuits against gun sales.

[baseline bum]

makes sense, but then why did they allow the law to stand under challenge instead of granting the preliminary injunction? that move effectively bans abortion in Texas. hard to imagine they'd do the same for a CA law permitting vigilante lawsuits against gun sales.

Because it bans abortion in Texas until they make the ruling.

[Winehole23]

Because it bans abortion in Texas until they make the ruling.That's what I think too. They're temporizing to overturn Roe v Wade.

[ElNono]

That's what I think too. They're temporizing to overturn Roe v Wade.

I think they're taking their time to make sure this loophole is closed. Whether they determine the whole thing is unconstitutional or if they flex some mental gymnastics and decide the SCOTUS erred 48 years ago finding that abortion is protected under the 14th amendment of the Constitution, they will need to make sure that they'll close the book on attempts of State laws nullifying federal law. That is indeed prima-facie unconstitutional, but it's made very complicated due to he fact that they also can't deny private citizens access to the courts.

This is without a doubt causing undue burden on abortion clinics in Texas, but ultimately the matter in front of them transcends abortion.

[ElNono]

If you think about it, it's a legal loophole, and the natural and proper venue to address it is Congress via a federal law (and this encompasses more than just abortion, but any other right).

[Winehole23]

If you think about it, it's a legal loophole, and the natural and proper venue to address it is Congress via a federal law (and this encompasses more than just abortion, but any other right).I'm not holding my breath. Why hasn't there been a federal law legalizing abortion nationwide?

[ElNono]

I'm not holding my breath. Why hasn't there been a federal law legalizing abortion nationwide?

Not talking about abortion specifically, but about allowing States to enact laws that put the burden of enforcement on private citizens in order to skirt liability.

In other words, States cannot dodge their responsibility/liability for laws they wrote only because they're not the enforcers of the provisions they put on them.

What this gambit is basically doing is legalizing frivolous lawsuits by fudging legal standing.

The rest should already be covered by the supremacy clause of the Constitution.

[DMC]

I'm not holding my breath. Why hasn't there been a federal law legalizing abortion nationwide?

Same reason there hasn't been one legalizing gun ownership nationwide.

[Winehole23]

I'm not holding my breath. Why hasn't there been a federal law legalizing abortion nationwide?Fear, fundraising and getting elected.

smdh

[Winehole23]

Same reason there hasn't been one legalizing gun ownership nationwide.what's the reason?

why do you hide behind rhetorical questions? your pattern of not making your own point grates, tbh.

[RandomGuy]

In response to Texas abortion law, California Gov. Gavin Newsom says he is working on a bill to allow private citizens to sue anyone who makes or sells assault weapons

https://news.yahoo.com/response-texas-abortion-law-california-043752660.html


:lmao

[Thread]

In response to Texas abortion law, California Gov. Gavin Newsom says he is working on a bill to allow private citizens to sue anyone who makes or sells assault weapons

https://news.yahoo.com/response-texas-abortion-law-california-043752660.html


:lmao

Newsom; ever the fart catcher.

[boutons_deux]

I'm not holding my breath. Why hasn't there been a federal law legalizing abortion nationwide?

Dems haven't had enough seats, esp in the Senate. Thanks, Constitution, for minority rule

[Thread]

Dems haven't had enough seats, esp in the Senate. Thanks, Constitution, for minority rule

You got "Manchin'ed." Just like we did.

ha, ha.

[boutons_deux]

Harris County can spend public money to counter Texas’ strict new abortion law

policy analysts for the court on Tuesday advised County Judge Lina Hidalgo the county could spend public money to support groups that aid those seeking abortions — and perhaps even to directly fund abortion care.

their policy analysis office to investigate how the county could “support individuals impacted by” the ban or “otherwise mitigate the law’s negative effects.”

The county is free, the analysts wrote, to send local and federal funds to groups that provide support services — including transportation, lodging and child care — to those seeking abortions outside the state.

the county’s expected $915 million allotment of federal COVID-19 relief money may be eligible for that purpose.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=c5ffe9fe07&attid=0.2&permmsgid=msg-a:r820632300657955867&th=17dbfc71d3c97fd8&view=fimg&fur=ip&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ9L4gnnyafEf1mGzdzs53I8wYFxek7YoGngQuj 8aInGECxE38-vbJrWvrvJDU3JGKvcohab3GNX7KCCkmUeBbijyx_vKYFpu6i2O 3TwLzRZcypTcVBmm7XMKG0&disp=emb&realattid=ii_kx7zixqa1

https://www.expressnews.com/politics/texas/article/Harris-County-can-spend-public-money-to-counter-16703927.php

[boutons_deux]

"The Food and Drug Administration is loosening some restrictions on where women can obtain abortion pills,

including a long-standing requirement that the medication be picked up in person.

Officials said Thursday that a scientific review supported broadening access and

allowing more pharmacies — including mail-order services — to distribute the medication."

-- Boston Globe email

Repugs later will make abortion pills illegal

[boutons_deux]

Abbott's misogynist fascism will fail like alcohol prohibition

A Plan Forms in Mexico:

Help Americans Get Abortions


Mexican activists plan to provide women in Texas and other U.S. states with information, support — and abortion-inducing pills.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/world/americas/mexico-abortion-pill-activists.html

[koriwhat]

LMAO At all you "dudes" getting emotional over something yall will never be able to give birth to ever. Yall are such pussies!

[Winehole23]

Odd, that.

Maybe this is the new normal.

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