DeSantis / Youngkin 2024

[Blake]

“Let’s use government power to protect and reward our own tribe and other friendly tribes, while punishing enemy tribes. And whether your tribe is friend or enemy is determined by loyalty. And part of the loyalty test is debasement of your own reason for the cause.”
Most actions I’ve seen over the past seven years are consistent with that ethos.

I have no idea where you made up that quote from. Even if that terrible "belief" were true, there are still plenty of other beliefs to choose from that are hypocritical.

[Winehole23]

Except that there really is no underlying political orthodoxy. Everything is up for grabs in the pursuit of power. Which is guess is your point.not sure everything is up for grabs, but it is undeniably true that for anyone devoid of principles, anything goes.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I always love this argument...you're saying the left is just as guilty because we choose to play by the Roberts' Court's rules instead of roll over and die?

Citizens United was a partisan ruling. Dems didn't want the game this way but now that we're here, we have to play it.
Well, I didn't vote for Citizens United.

It was wrong. Corporations are not people.

It should be abolished, just like Dobbs v Jackson

[Will Hunting]

Well, I didn't vote for Citizens United.

It was wrong. Corporations are not people.

It should be abolished, just like Dobbs v Jackson
You vote for the politicians who put judges on the court who agree with Citizens United, and you know this.

[Joseph Kony]

“Let’s use government power to protect and reward our own tribe and other friendly tribes, while punishing enemy tribes. And whether your tribe is friend or enemy is determined by loyalty. And part of the loyalty test is debasement of your own reason for the cause.”
this literally describes Trumpism to a fucking tee :lol

[spurraider21]

Just admit you are an internet warrior bitch and we can end this. I will gladly go to a GTG and prove I'm 6' 3". You are too big of an pussy to ever show your face at an GTG even back when we had them on a regular basis.
you're really insecure tbh

i mean you're 6'3 and quite wealthy, why do you constantly feel the need to prove yourself to internet randos?

[Blake]

you're really insecure tbh

i mean you're 6'3 and quite wealthy, why do you constantly feel the need to prove yourself to internet randos?

U jealous!

[Millennial_Messiah]

You vote for the politicians who put judges on the court who agree with Citizens United, and you know this.

I was 16 years old when that decision came down smarty pants.

Yes I voted for Herman Cain (primary) and then Romney in my first-ever chance to vote, but it's not like they were Trump. I've never actually voted for Trump.

[boutons_deux]

Yale grad, multi-millionaire Desantis, like Trash, member of the "elite"

Taking on the elite becomes go-to brand for DeSantis

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3760208-taking-on-the-elite-becomes-go-to-brand-for-desantis

Repug base is ignorant, stupid, gullible as fuck.

Repugs/Desantis/etc aint't gonna touch the elite because they float their boats in elite money river.

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[Winehole23]

DeSantis loves the working man, right?



Florida legislators are back in Tallahassee this week, rushing a 123-page rewrite of the state’s property insurance laws through what is expected to be a three-day special session. DeSantis, who urged lawmakers to hold this special session, is expected to sign the bill soon after it passes.

This a sweeping piece of legislation, and it will make a bunch of big changes. The most consequential of those changes will erase what is known as Florida’s “one-way attorney fee” law.

This may sound complicated, but it’s really quite simple.

In most lawsuits, each side usually pays for their own lawyers. But Florida’s one-way attorney fee law allows a policyholder who successfully sues an insurance company that refused to pay a claim to make that insurance company pay their legal bills, too.

This law is essentially a slingshot that David can use to fight Goliath. It’s meant to discourage insurance companies from dragging their feet when a policyholder files a claim — and to ensure those policyholders aren’t punished if they must sue to collect.

“It is an undue hardship upon beneficiaries of policies to be compelled to reduce the amount of their insurance by paying attorney’s fees when suits are necessary in order to collect that to which they are entitled,” the Florida Supreme Court once wrote in another opinion addressing Florida’s one-way attorney fee law.

Not surprisingly, insurance companies detest this law. They have been lobbying against it for many years, arguing that the prospect of one-way attorney fees encourages people to sue their insurance company unnecessarily, which drives up costs for everybody else.

The insurance industry has had a lot of success with that argument lately, amid Florida’s latest property insurance crisis. Industry lobbyists have successfully persuaded DeSantis and the Legislature to weaken the one-way attorney fee law twice in the past two years. (Campaign contributions have helped.)

But now they’re just going to eliminate the law altogether.

It’s hard to overstate how momentous a change this is. Florida has had some version of its one-way attorney fee law on the books since at least 1893, according to research by legislative staffershttps://jasongarcia.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-and-the-florida-legislature-7cb

[Will Hunting]

I was 16 years old when that decision came down smarty pants.

Yes I voted for Herman Cain (primary) and then Romney in my first-ever chance to vote, but it's not like they were Trump. I've never actually voted for Trump.
Romney voted to confirm Barrett and he would have nominated judges who agree with Citizens United.

You're being deliberately obtuse and stupid by pretending the vote you cast for president has no impact on whether Citizens United remains the law of the land.

[Isitjustme?]

DeSantis is short, fat and has kind of a nasally, whiny voice at times. Interested to see how he holds in debates with everyone crowning him already like he's the 17 year old Lebron of the Republicans who cant fail

[Millennial_Messiah]

DeSantis is short, fat and has kind of a nasally, whiny voice at times. Interested to see how he holds in debates with everyone crowning him already like he's the 17 year old Lebron of the Republicans who cant fail

Incel Fetterman is morbidly obese and doesn't have a brain and got pulverized in the debate by Dr. Oz

Still, PA, often considered a purple state, voted for him over Dr. Oz by 4.95%. That's a substantial margin

Candidate quality is such a double standard

[Adam Lambert]

Incel Fetterman is morbidly obese and doesn't have a brain and got pulverized in the debate by Dr. Oz

Still, PA, often considered a purple state, voted for him over Dr. Oz by 4.95%. That's a substantial margin

Candidate quality is such a double standard

Republican voters give a shit about stuff like this.

Democrat voters don't.

There's your standard.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Republican voters give a shit about stuff like this.

Democrat voters don't.

There's your standard.

That tells you all you need to know about the two sides and the USA in a nutshell as well as liberals vs. conservatives. Most democrats are "blue no matter who" which is fucktarded while aside from the QAnon alt-right (which is a VAST minority), you've got a lot of conservatives who have second thoughts about voting for fringe cringe christian nationalist candidates like Walker, Dr. Oz, Kari Lake, Trump, Majewski, etc. You've got people on the right like me who stay home because we don't like either candidate.

[clambake]

Nope. You don’t like them now because they lost.

[Adam Lambert]

That tells you all you need to know about the two sides and the USA in a nutshell as well as liberals vs. conservatives. Most democrats are "blue no matter who" which is fucktarded while aside from the QAnon alt-right (which is a VAST minority), you've got a lot of conservatives who have second thoughts about voting for fringe cringe christian nationalist candidates like Walker, Dr. Oz, Kari Lake, Trump, Majewski, etc. You've got people on the right like me who stay home because we don't like either candidate.

lol no.

[baseline bum]

Incel Fetterman is morbidly obese and doesn't have a brain and got pulverized in the debate by Dr. Oz

Still, PA, often considered a purple state, voted for him over Dr. Oz by 4.95%. That's a substantial margin

Candidate quality is such a double standard

LOL bringing up Mehmet Oz in a talk about candidate quality.

[Will Hunting]

That tells you all you need to know about the two sides and the USA in a nutshell as well as liberals vs. conservatives. Most democrats are "blue no matter who" which is fucktarded while aside from the QAnon alt-right (which is a VAST minority), you've got a lot of conservatives who have second thoughts about voting for fringe cringe christian nationalist candidates like Walker, Dr. Oz, Kari Lake, Trump, Majewski, etc. You've got people on the right like me who stay home because we don't like either candidate.
Oh shut the fuck up, you were raving about how Lake would win by 6-7% and how Majewski would beat Kaptur before the election.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nope. You don’t like them now because they lost.

Hey at least i'm not on the qanon train "BUT BUT FRAUD!!! KARI LAKE WON!!! MASTRIANO WON!! THE ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED AND STOLEN AGAIN!! DROPBOXES BALLOT HARVESTS MUH DOMINIONSZES!!! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!!! THE EARTH IS FLAT!! 9/11 WAS AN FBI JOB!! TRUMP WON 3 TIMES!! MELIANA IS THE MOST CLASSY FIRST LADY SINCE JACQUELINE KENNEDY!! TRUMP / JFK JUNIOR 2024!!! ZOMG THE JEWZ ARE ALL CHINESE LIZARD PEDOPHILES AND HUNTER BIDENsZ LAPTOP IS LITERALLY SATAN GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!"


Oh shut the fuck up, you were raving about how Lake would win by 6-7% and how Majewski would beat Kaptur before the election.

That's what the youtube podcasters were saying. All except LTE, who you always bash but he was pretty spot on this cycle.


LOL bringing up Mehmet Oz in a talk about candidate quality.
Oz Fetterman was truly a shitshow, though Barnette would have lost by an even bigger margin. Parnell/McCormick would have mopped the floor with Fetterman though.

I just thought (and most national peeps too) that Oz was the "normie" pick out of the two even though both candidates were admittedly bizarre. That independents would break Oz by large margins because he was more normie than Fetterman. Turns out.... central and western PA didn't show up to vote hardly at all because Mastriano was branded as a Nazi and Oz was a Muslim and west and central rural/suburban PA is on average Islamophobic and anti-Nazi.

[Isitjustme?]

Hey at least i'm not on the qanon train "BUT BUT FRAUD!!! KARI LAKE WON!!! MASTRIANO WON!! THE ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED AND STOLEN AGAIN!! DROPBOXES BALLOT HARVESTS MUH DOMINIONSZES!!! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!!! THE EARTH IS FLAT!! 9/11 WAS AN FBI JOB!! TRUMP WON 3 TIMES!! MELIANA IS THE MOST CLASSY FIRST LADY SINCE JACQUELINE KENNEDY!! TRUMP / JFK JUNIOR 2024!!! ZOMG THE JEWZ ARE ALL CHINESE LIZARD PEDOPHILES AND HUNTER BIDENsZ LAPTOP IS LITERALLY SATAN GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!"



That's what the youtube podcasters were saying. All except LTE, who you always bash but he was pretty spot on this cycle.

It's a low bar, but you did clear it to be fair.

Also, stop subtweeting Nathan89 that poor losers been through enough

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nope. You don’t like them now because they lost.
Yup. Losers ought to not be re-run, with the exception of Laxalt and Zeldin. I think Zeldin has a long term future because he's a normie Republican without being a uniparty RINO shill like Romney/McConnell.

The biggest losers of the 2022 midterms were McConnell, Trump, and Tom Emmer. All 3 of those ought to be thrown in the garbage and lit on fire.

[Isitjustme?]

Yup. Losers ought to not be re-run, with the exception of Laxalt and Zeldin. I think Zeldin has a long term future because he's a normie Republican without being a uniparty RINO shill like Romney/McConnell.

The biggest losers of the 2022 midterms were McConnell, Trump, and Tom Emmer. All 3 of those ought to be thrown in the garbage and lit on fire.

McConnell did fine..unfortunately. I hope you to God you guys are dumb enough to dump his ass

[Isitjustme?]

"McConnell warned us not to do all dumb shit we did!"

[Millennial_Messiah]

I will say that Laxalt is the only one you can make the case got jobbed. Everything not just the polls pointed to him winning and the voting split was pretty sus. Odd that the national Dems found enough votes for CCM but couldn't get Sisolak (incumbent) across the finish line. The national dems and what's left of the Reid machine there are simply still more competent than the NV GOP at ballot harvesting, while in places like CA and NY the GOP are outperforming the Dems in that department.

The rest of the results, there's no fraud to allege. Arizona wouldn't have been close with a normie like Karrin Taylor Robson (R) as the nominee. Qari Lake was literally a female and more dangerous alt-right version of Trump.


McConnell did fine..unfortunately. I hope you to God you guys are dumb enough to dump his ass
Wrong. He's still the senate minority leader for a reason. Regardless of candidate quality, he failed to fulfill his duty of being a team player and maxing out the money thrown at the key swing races the GOP needed to get the 53 senate seats. He had no reason to waste money on getting Murkowski re-elected in Alaska or in safe red states, defunding Masters/Oz (and Walker until the last minute), etc. Not getting out the early vote for the GOP like DeSantis and co. did in Florida.

[baseline bum]

Hey at least i'm not on the qanon train "BUT BUT FRAUD!!! KARI LAKE WON!!! MASTRIANO WON!! THE ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED AND STOLEN AGAIN!! DROPBOXES BALLOT HARVESTS MUH DOMINIONSZES!!! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!!! THE EARTH IS FLAT!! 9/11 WAS AN FBI JOB!! TRUMP WON 3 TIMES!! MELIANA IS THE MOST CLASSY FIRST LADY SINCE JACQUELINE KENNEDY!! TRUMP / JFK JUNIOR 2024!!! ZOMG THE JEWZ ARE ALL CHINESE LIZARD PEDOPHILES AND HUNTER BIDENsZ LAPTOP IS LITERALLY SATAN GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!"



That's what the youtube podcasters were saying. All except LTE, who you always bash but he was pretty spot on this cycle.


Oz Fetterman was truly a shitshow, though Barnette would have lost by an even bigger margin. Parnell/McCormick would have mopped the floor with Fetterman though.

I just thought (and most national peeps too) that Oz was the "normie" pick out of the two even though both candidates were admittedly bizarre. That independents would break Oz by large margins because he was more normie than Fetterman. Turns out.... central and western PA didn't show up to vote hardly at all because Mastriano was branded as a Nazi and Oz was a Muslim and west and central rural/suburban PA is on average Islamophobic and anti-Nazi.

Oz was a huckster who pushed all kinds of pseudoscience on his show from easy weight loss pills to homeopathy to a never ending parade of worthless snake oil supplements that he'd always call miracle cures for everything. And his debate performance was horrific just based on his contention that abortion was between a woman and her local political leaders.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Oz was a huckster who pushed all kinds of pseudoscience on his show from easy weight loss pills to homeopathy to a never ending parade of worthless snake oil supplements that he'd always call miracle cures for everything. And his debate performance was horrific just based on his contention that abortion was between a woman and her local political leaders.

He was a goofy holistic doctor and a mediocre celebrity at that. It's not like they're running prime Clint Eastwood or Ronald Reagan out there. But Dr. Oz, for all his faults, should have still beaten Fetterbrain.

Conor Lamb would have beaten Dr. Oz by similar margin Shapiro beat Mastriano. Also, Lamb is young and healthy and would be a tough out going forward. At least the GOP has a nice juicy target in PA in 2028 if they find an actually experienced quality candidate.

[baseline bum]

He was a goofy holistic doctor and a mediocre celebrity at that. It's not like they're running prime Clint Eastwood or Ronald Reagan out there. But Dr. Oz, for all his faults, should have still beaten Fetterbrain.


Oz was a dangerous carnival huckster and it would have been a disaster letting a fraud like that write healthcare law. Plus he was a carpetbagger. Just a supremely shitty senate candidate who only got as close as he did because of Fetterman's stroke.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Oz was a dangerous carnival huckster and it would have been a disaster letting a fraud like that write healthcare law. Plus he was a carpetbagger. Just a supremely shitty senate candidate who only got as close as he did because of Fetterman's stroke.

Mike Lindell is the real huckster... lol I rest my case.

Oz being Muslim and Turkish hurt him more than him being a quack or even a carpetbagger. The race was lost outside of Philly. Look at all that low turnout in those blue left arrow counties on the trend map. Those are Trump 2016/McCormick 2022 (primary) voters that didn't turn out for Oz or Mastriano. Just very low GOP turnout outside of the Philly suburbs which were already largely trending a bit blue.

McCormick would have beaten Fettermoron

[Will Hunting]

I will say that Laxalt is the only one you can make the case got jobbed. Everything not just the polls pointed to him winning and the voting split was pretty sus. Odd that the national Dems found enough votes for CCM but couldn't get Sisolak (incumbent) across the finish line. The national dems and what's left of the Reid machine there are simply still more competent than the NV GOP at ballot harvesting, while in places like CA and NY the GOP are outperforming the Dems in that department.

The rest of the results, there's no fraud to allege. Arizona wouldn't have been close with a normie like Karrin Taylor Robson (R) as the nominee. Qari Lake was literally a female and more dangerous alt-right version of Trump.


Wrong. He's still the senate minority leader for a reason. Regardless of candidate quality, he failed to fulfill his duty of being a team player and maxing out the money thrown at the key swing races the GOP needed to get the 53 senate seats. He had no reason to waste money on getting Murkowski re-elected in Alaska or in safe red states, defunding Masters/Oz (and Walker until the last minute), etc. Not getting out the early vote for the GOP like DeSantis and co. did in Florida.
Cocaine Mitch spent money on Murkowski because if he didn’t and she still won, she’d have no reason to still caucus with the GOP. Alaska is trending blue and Murkowski relies on Dem voters to win, if the NRSC wasn’t helping her she’d be an independent who caucuses with the Dems.

McConnell also spent a lot on Herschel and Oz. He abandoned AZ because Masters focus grouped laughably badly and McConnell correctly knew he couldn’t win.

[Will Hunting]

Also this new thing I’ve heard right wing commentators do where they blame McConnell for Herschel, Laxalt, etc. not having as much money as their opponent is bullshit. Candidates are responsible for fundraising, and the GOP’s senate candidates were terrible at fundraising this year such that they were relying on McConnell to raise money for them.

[Ef-man]

Also this new thing I’ve heard right wing commentators do where they blame McConnell for Herschel, Laxalt, etc. not having as much money as their opponent is bullshit. Candidates are responsible for fundraising, and the GOP’s senate candidates were terrible at fundraising this year such that they were relying on McConnell to raise money for them.

When Herschel came out for team werewolf, who could blame Count McConnell for slinking back into his coffin, tbh?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Also this new thing I’ve heard right wing commentators do where they blame McConnell for Herschel, Laxalt, etc. not having as much money as their opponent is bullshit. Candidates are responsible for fundraising, and the GOP’s senate candidates were terrible at fundraising this year such that they were relying on McConnell to raise money for them.

I still think Laxalt will beat out Rosen. Rosen is the weaker of the two incumbents and wasn't expected to win but only won because of blue wave '18, while CCM was Harry Reid's hand-selected successor.

The rest of the 2022 senate losers and their ilk are goners. Laxalt is a strong candidate and NOT alt right, should not be lumped in with Walker/Masters/Oz... just needs to get the funding right and he'll beat Rosen by around 4-5%.

[Will Hunting]

I still think Laxalt will beat out Rosen. Rosen is the weaker of the two incumbents and wasn't expected to win but only won because of blue wave '18, while CCM was Harry Reid's hand-selected successor.

The rest of the 2022 senate losers and their ilk are goners. Laxalt is a strong candidate and NOT alt right, should not be lumped in with Walker/Masters/Oz... just needs to get the funding right and he'll beat Rosen by around 4-5%.
Rosen is definitely beatable with the right candidate and the right environment, but Laxalt isn't a good candidate at all.

Take a look at this Twitter thread. For context, Jon Ralston is the GOAT at Nevada election forecasting at this point. His final article before the election was more or less "My vibes say that CCM wins because Adam Laxalt is a terrible candidate and I'm ignoring EV data that says otherwise, but the data I'm ignoring for the senate race does actually show that Lombardo beats Sisolak. No I will not elaborate further as to why I'm using data for one prediction and ignoring it for the other." Everyone laughed at him but his prediction was pretty much dead on.

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Clark County turnout was as bad as the EV data showed, but CCM won despite that because of how bad Laxalt did with Clark/Washoe independents. 69% of registered Rs voted statewide vs. only 60% of registered Ds. If Laxalt can't win with that much of a turnout disparity, then he's not going to win in a presidential year when Hispanic turnout in Clark (and these aren't RGV or South Florida Hispanics, these are pro-choice Hispanics who are more secular and are partisan D votes when they show up) will be much higher.

The fact Laxalt only raised $18 million vs. CCM's $66 million isn't McConnell's fault either; it just means Laxalt sucks at fundraising. If you're a purple state senate candidate fundraising isn't very hard. Laxalt is just a trust fund baby who's never had to work for anything in his life so he expected the fundraising to be done for him.

This CCM ad does a pretty good job at exposing Laxalt's flaws:

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[Will Hunting]

Also Rosen isn't as good of a candidate as CCM but she's definitely not a lightweight at all.

Beating Heller by 5% was no easy feat even in a wave year for Dems. Heller survived 2012, which was an even bigger wave election for Democrats & a year when Obama won his state by 7%. There's probably only 2 Republicans in Nevada capable of getting that many Obama ticket splitters, and the other one has said he's never running for senate. Heller was a strong incumbent especially because he knew not to take a retarded stance on abortion in one of the most pro-life states in the country no matter how much heat he got from the right on it. Rosen had to beat him on local issues.

Laxalt meanwhile having such a retarded stance on abortion is one of the reasons why he's a bad candidate in Nevada. He signed Nevada onto multiple anti-abortion lawsuits as AG despite Sandoval (the wildly popular pro-choice Republican ex-governor in Nevada) being against it. If not for his weak relationship with Sandoval, he could have probably gotten Sandoval to endorse + campaign for him, and that would have easily been enough to put him over the top.

[Isitjustme?]

"Desantis Calls Trump 'A Moron Who Has No Business Running For President,' Former Staffers Say: Report"

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/desantis-calls-trump-a-moron-who-has-no-business-running-for-president-former-staffers-say-report/ar-AA15DcPP?cvid=d75adc6c38c44837c578c7fe40081740&ocid=winp2fpswipe

lmao

[boutons_deux]

10K+ covid deaths in FL,

Desantis pandering to the anti-vaxxers,

trying to criminalize vaccine operators

DeSantis’s request for COVID vaccine probe denounced by health experts

DeSantis’s petition for a grand jury investigation was approved by the Florida Supreme Court (https://apnews.com/f90dbf672338461457f6c30633398e90) on Thursday,

clearing the way for what his office described as

a probe into “wrongdoing committed against Floridians related to the COVID-19 vaccine.”
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3786927-desantiss-request-for-covid-vaccine-probe-denounced-by-health-experts (https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/3786927-desantiss-request-for-covid-vaccine-probe-denounced-by-health-experts/?email=542eb31d958e85ddd5a4c3ccf3faae18526a77bd&emaila=992d608214b505003aa04bf10a595031&emailb=54b3612ab970ce13a64a16665b1987080ca5b72e2ee 762b722fbba6ab378f2f5&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=12.26.22%20SR%20DeSantis%20Covid%20va ccine%20probe)

[boutons_deux]

FL, egregious Repug shithole, peopled by shitbags

[Millennial_Messiah]

Also Rosen isn't as good of a candidate as CCM but she's definitely not a lightweight at all.

Beating Heller by 5% was no easy feat even in a wave year for Dems. Heller survived 2012, which was an even bigger wave election for Democrats & a year when Obama won his state by 7%. There's probably only 2 Republicans in Nevada capable of getting that many Obama ticket splitters, and the other one has said he's never running for senate. Heller was a strong incumbent especially because he knew not to take a retarded stance on abortion in one of the most pro-life states in the country no matter how much heat he got from the right on it. Rosen had to beat him on local issues.

Laxalt meanwhile having such a retarded stance on abortion is one of the reasons why he's a bad candidate in Nevada. He signed Nevada onto multiple anti-abortion lawsuits as AG despite Sandoval (the wildly popular pro-choice Republican ex-governor in Nevada) being against it. If not for his weak relationship with Sandoval, he could have probably gotten Sandoval to endorse + campaign for him, and that would have easily been enough to put him over the top.
We'll see. Sheriff Lombardo being in may make a big difference and perhaps the NV GOP can take a few lessons in ballot harvesting, seems more likely than not. Laxalt got the margins he needed in Clark and Washoe but underperformed big time in the rural counties. Another example of needing to juice up the GOP early vote and vote by mail because there are a lot of senior citizens there that won't go vote on EDay. It's also a large reason why the GOP has consistently underperformed in polls in Nevada. What the GOP has in numbers in Nevada they lack in logistics in actually getting people to vote, whether it's in person early or by mail or both, to shorten the lines and make it easier for the rest to vote on EDay. I'm confident there's enough numbers for the GOP to pull very close or even roughly even in Clark County if they were to encourage the GOP to vote early and by mail. It's demographically and ideologically fairly similar to Miami except a lot less black.

Nevada is a pro-choice relatively libertarian agnostic and secular state, so your saying it's one of the more pro-life states doesn't make sense.

Also, Arizona is off to the right start already in the 2024 senate race by making Sheriff Mark Lamb the frontrunner for that seat already and not someone like Lake, Brnovich, or Masters. Law enforcement / military type of non-extremist but solid conservatives do well especially in the sun belt. Look at Lombardo, McCain, etc.

[Will Hunting]

We'll see. Sheriff Lombardo being in may make a big difference and perhaps the NV GOP can take a few lessons in ballot harvesting, seems more likely than not. Laxalt got the margins he needed in Clark and Washoe but underperformed big time in the rural counties.
:lol "it seems more likely than not because I say so"

You're just speaking in conclusory generalities that aren't backed up by the data. GOP turnout was 10% higher than Dem turnout in Nevada this year; this wasn't an issue of GOP "ballot harvesting." They got the turnout they needed, Laxalt just got slaughtered with independents.

In a neutral environment Dem turnout will be a lot better and the GOP would do even worse; not sure what "sheriff Lombardo" (really gay and corny to call him sheriff tbh) is going to do for the 2024 senate race but he isn't gonna be on the ballot like he was this year so your logic is flawed.



Another example of needing to juice up the GOP early vote and vote by mail because there are a lot of senior citizens there that won't go vote on EDay. It's also a large reason why the GOP has consistently underperformed in polls in Nevada. What the GOP has in numbers in Nevada they lack in logistics in actually getting people to vote, whether it's in person early or by mail or both, to shorten the lines and make it easier for the rest to vote on EDay. I'm confident there's enough numbers for the GOP to pull very close or even roughly even in Clark County if they were to encourage the GOP to vote early and by mail. It's demographically and ideologically fairly similar to Miami except a lot less black.
:lmao comparing Clark County to Miami-Dade.

Clark County has exponentially more union membership than M-D has, the Hispanics in Clark County are a lot more liberal and secular than the right wing filth Fidel Castro used M-D county as a trash can to offload into.

There are basically no comparisons between the two beyond the fact they both have a lot of Hispanics, but Mexicans in LV aren't remotely the same as Cubans/Venezuelans in M-D.


Nevada is a pro-choice relatively libertarian agnostic and secular state, so your saying it's one of the more pro-life states doesn't make sense.
pro-life was a typo; the context makes it pretty clear I meant to say pro-choice. My entire post was about how Laxalt was a retard on abortion which is why he was a bad candidate in Nevada.


Also, Arizona is off to the right start already in the 2024 senate race by making Sheriff Mark Lamb the frontrunner for that seat already and not someone like Lake, Brnovich, or Masters. Law enforcement / military type of non-extremist but solid conservatives do well especially in the sun belt. Look at Lombardo, McCain, etc.
:lmao casually saying "Sheriff Lamb" as if you know who you're talking about. Mark Lamb was an avid stop the steal supporter who said January 6th was Hillary Clinton's fault; Kari Lake said that Lamb is her top choice for senate, and he's probably even crazier than she is. He's an uneducated dumbass who moved to Arizona after his business in Utah went tits up.

This is the problem with the "non-extremist" Republicans. The candidates you think are mainstream and very electable are batshit crazy.

You unironically think this knucklefuck would be a good senate candidate in Arizona :lol

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Mark_Lamb_%2851775221432%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/800px-Mark_Lamb_%2851775221432%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

[Will Hunting]

Hey at least i'm not on the qanon train "BUT BUT FRAUD!!! KARI LAKE WON!!! MASTRIANO WON!! THE ELECTIONS WERE RIGGED AND STOLEN AGAIN!! DROPBOXES BALLOT HARVESTS MUH DOMINIONSZES!!! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP! LOCK HER UP!!!! THE EARTH IS FLAT!! 9/11 WAS AN FBI JOB!! TRUMP WON 3 TIMES!! MELIANA IS THE MOST CLASSY FIRST LADY SINCE JACQUELINE KENNEDY!! TRUMP / JFK JUNIOR 2024!!! ZOMG THE JEWZ ARE ALL CHINESE LIZARD PEDOPHILES AND HUNTER BIDENsZ LAPTOP IS LITERALLY SATAN GAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!"
:lol you think Mark Lamb would be a great senate candidate, you're definitely on the QAnon train.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol you think Mark Lamb would be a great senate candidate, you're definitely on the QAnon train.

Well he's a police chief so it's not like he has zero experience with government like Lake and Masters did. And Lombardo is an ex police chief too so that's why I called him Sheriff. It's not gay it's just the facts of life. As long as he doesn't run as radical of a campaign on issues like abortion like Masters and even Laxalt did he should be fine. Look at JD Vance in Ohio, went a bit towards the center after Tim Ryan did the same, and it worked out well for Vance. Despite Vance having a history that would make people think he's in bed with QAnon. Mandel had a similar history but got shellacked in 2018 and rightfully people got rid of him in the primary after him being the frontrunner again. IMO Tim Ryan would have defeated Mandel just as Brown did.

[ChumpDumper]

Well he's a police chief so it's not like he has zero experience with government like Lake and Masters did. And Lombardo is an ex police chief too so that's why I called him Sheriff. It's not gay it's just the facts of life. As long as he doesn't run as radical of a campaign on issues like abortion like Masters and even Laxalt did he should be fine. Look at JD Vance in Ohio, went a bit towards the center after Tim Ryan did the same, and it worked out well for Vance. Despite Vance having a history that would make people think he's in bed with QAnon. Mandel had a similar history but got shellacked in 2018 and rightfully people got rid of him in the primary after him being the frontrunner again. IMO Tim Ryan would have defeated Mandel just as Brown did.

The only way an AZ Republican is going to get on the ballot in the first place is to go at least mostly retard in the primary.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The only way an AZ Republican is going to get on the ballot in the first place is to go at least mostly retard in the primary.

Nah. Karrin Taylor Robson got in the race like a week before the August 2nd primary was held and she damn near beat out Lake with minimal endorsements. Her top endorsement was Mike fucking Pence. That just goes to show you that normies still like socially moderate, fiscally conservative candidates that aren't Lake, Trump, or Masters types.

[Will Hunting]

Well he's a police chief so it's not like he has zero experience with government like Lake and Masters did. And Lombardo is an ex police chief too so that's why I called him Sheriff. It's not gay it's just the facts of life. As long as he doesn't run as radical of a campaign on issues like abortion like Masters and even Laxalt did he should be fine. Look at JD Vance in Ohio, went a bit towards the center after Tim Ryan did the same, and it worked out well for Vance. Despite Vance having a history that would make people think he's in bed with QAnon. Mandel had a similar history but got shellacked in 2018 and rightfully people got rid of him in the primary after him being the frontrunner again. IMO Tim Ryan would have defeated Mandel just as Brown did.
JD Vance is an Ivy League educated never-Trumper who LARPed as a MAGA Republican to win a primary.

Mark Lamb is uneducated trailer trash who genuinely thinks Hillary Clinton was responsible for January 6th.

This comparison is retarded, even by your standards.

[Will Hunting]

Nah. Karrin Taylor Robson got in the race like a week before the August 2nd primary was held and she damn near beat out Lake with minimal endorsements. Her top endorsement was Mike fucking Pence. That just goes to show you that normies still like socially moderate, fiscally conservative candidates that aren't Lake, Trump, or Masters types.
:lmao why do you pretend you have any idea what you're talking about?

By January 2022, Robson had several million in the bank and was largely viewed as the establishment choice in the race (and she got all of the establishment support). She also had unlimited amounts of money due to her billionaire husband. It's not even possible to "get in the race" a week before the primary, there's signature gathering requirements that you need to get on the ballot.

:lol "minimal endorsements"

She was endorsed by the two most recent Arizona governors; Lake was endorsed by Trump and several crazy people

https://i.ibb.co/4Vhb1V9/endorsements.png

[spurraider21]

jesus, that list of people endorsing Lake

[ChumpDumper]

Nah. Karrin Taylor Robson got in the race like a week before the August 2nd primary was held
:lol Robson announced in May 2021, six weeks before Lake did.

[Millennial_Messiah]

By January 2022, Robson had several million in the bank and was largely viewed as the establishment choice in the race (and she got all of the establishment support). She also had unlimited amounts of money due to her billionaire husband. It's not even possible to "get in the race" a week before the primary, there's signature gathering requirements that you need to get on the ballot.


:lol Robson announced in May 2021, six weeks before Lake did.

Okay, but KTR wasn't even on the radar / on the news and not polling anything significant until a couple weeks before the primary election. All the polls were Lake +30 or better until Pence, Ducey and others held a last ditch rally for Robson warning that Lake was too extreme and too much of a conspiracy theorist to be electable. Then Lake plummeted in the polls to near even and it looked for a while on August 3-4 as if Robson was actually going to win.

If the GOP (outside of idiots like Trump and the pillow guy) pushed for KTR well in advance, well in advance of early and mail in voting start dates, KTR should have easily beaten Lake, by at least 10 percent. Unlike a state like Ohio, Arizona has far more normie GOP types than "Ultra MAGA" types. Even the old boomer military population which is big in AZ loved McCain/Ducey but doesn't like candidates like Lake/Masters. The main thing Ducey did wrong was promoting unelectable McSally... not once, but twice.

[Will Hunting]

Okay, but KTR wasn't even on the radar / on the news and not polling anything significant until a couple weeks before the primary election. All the polls were Lake +30 or better until Pence, Ducey and others held a last ditch rally for Robson warning that Lake was too extreme and too much of a conspiracy theorist to be electable. Then Lake plummeted in the polls to near even and it looked for a while on August 3-4 as if Robson was actually going to win.
Poll from May 2022 where Robson is trailing by only 2% with >35% of all voters still undecided:
https://blog.ohpredictive.com/press-releases/az-gop-gov-race-update-robson-lake-neck-and-neck-salmon-trailing

Robson was considered the other frontrunner in the race for months prior to the primary. Try all you want to revise history and pretend that Robson was some underfunded upstart candidate who emerged at the last minute, it's simply not true.


If the GOP (outside of idiots like Trump and the pillow guy) pushed for KTR well in advance, well in advance of early and mail in voting start dates, KTR should have easily beaten Lake, by at least 10 percent.
Ducey endorsed Robson a full month before the primary, and the whole point of doing it when he did was so people would remember it (e.g., Clyburn endorsing Biden right before the SC primary). The endorsement was timed to have maximum effect.


Unlike a state like Ohio, Arizona has far more normie GOP types than "Ultra MAGA" types. Even the old boomer military population which is big in AZ loved McCain/Ducey but doesn't like candidates like Lake/Masters. The main thing Ducey did wrong was promoting unelectable McSally... not once, but twice.
Every Arizona GOP state senator (even the one in a district Biden won) voted in favor of the cyber ninja stop the steal audit last year. The head of the Arizona GOP believes in chemtrail conspiracy theories. Your belief that the Arizona GOP has an extremely moderate base isn't rooted in reality. McCain's Arizona GOP is dead and it's not coming back; Kelli Ward's Arizona GOP is here to stay.

You're really in denial about belonging to a party of retards that would prefer Kari Lake over Taylor Robson (heck, you think Mark Lamb would be a good senate candidate, so you're a lot more similar to the Lake supporting retards than you even realize).

[Will Hunting]

I was in Arizona for most of June and July this summer; the airwaves were getting blasted with ads from Robson about actual policy and all the things she actually wanted to do as governor, while Lake's ads were just a clip of Trump giving Lake his endorsement while he looked even fatter than he usually does & like he was trying to hold in a shit.

Lake's primary campaign was almost entirely "Trump endorsed me, vote for me" and it worked. That's the state of the Republican party in Arizona.

Cope and seethe all you want.

[spurraider21]

I was in Arizona for most of June and July this summer; the airwaves were getting blasted with ads from Robson about actual policy and all the things she actually wanted to do as governor, while Lake's ads were just a clip of Trump giving Lake his endorsement while he looked even fatter than he usually does & like he was trying to hold in a shit.

Lake's primary campaign was almost entirely "Trump endorsed me, vote for me" and it worked. That's the state of the Republican party in Arizona.

Cope and seethe all you want.
i always thought that Wendy Rogers character was kind of a lone nutter, seems shes just an average GOP voter out there

[Millennial_Messiah]

Your belief that the Arizona GOP has an extremely moderate base isn't rooted in reality. McCain's Arizona GOP is dead and it's not coming back; Kelli Ward's Arizona GOP is here to stay.


I'm mainly talking about the voter base, not the leaders, elected officials, or fringe candidates.


I was in Arizona for most of June and July this summer

Sorry to hear that. It was probably 120+. That kind of heat can do a number on the old brain.


the airwaves were getting blasted with ads from Robson about actual policy and all the things she actually wanted to do as governor, while Lake's ads were just a clip of Trump giving Lake his endorsement while he looked even fatter than he usually does & like he was trying to hold in a shit.

Lake's primary campaign was almost entirely "Trump endorsed me, vote for me" and it worked. That's the state of the Republican party in Arizona.

Well that was 2022. Now post the failed midterms Trump has only about half the pull he had before the midterms. He's lost literally roughly half his base. If that primary were held today, Robson would win comfortably and she'd defeat Hobbs too by a comfortable margin, taking Maricopa as well. Also, McCormick would crush both Oz and Fetterman and the GOP would field a decent candidate like Doug Collins in GA, or allow Kemp to hand select the nominee not Cocaine Mitch or Trump.

[Winehole23]

Rick Scott wouldn't crack 3%, and that's generous.

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[Will Hunting]

Rick Scott wouldn't crack 3%, and that's generous.

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Rick Scott is a total piece of shit but he’s kinda right about DeSantis, all RDS really did was finish what Rick Scott started.

[HemisfairArena]

DeSantis let his ego get the best of him,,,,he's toast now and his numbers will start plummeting. If he has any brains at all he'll bow out and let the Trump train take its course but i doubt he will. This right here is the death blow to his chances,,,,

Ron DeSantis government bans new advanced African American history course (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-government-bans-advanced-143056504.html)

[pgardn]

DeSantis let his ego get the best of him,,,,he's toast now and his numbers will start plummeting. If he has any brains at all he'll bow out and let the Trump train take its course but i doubt he will. This right here is the death blow to his chances,,,,

Ron DeSantis government bans new advanced African American history course (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-government-bans-advanced-143056504.html)

I suggest you move to South America. There are a number of “Trump trains” giving it the “I know I can”

[ChumpDumper]

DeSantis let his ego get the best of him,,,,he's toast now and his numbers will start plummeting. If he has any brains at all he'll bow out and let the Trump train take its course but i doubt he will. This right here is the death blow to his chances,,,,

Ron DeSantis government bans new advanced African American history course (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-government-bans-advanced-143056504.html)

MAGAA 2024!

[Dirks_Finale]

DeSantis let his ego get the best of him,,,,he's toast now and his numbers will start plummeting. If he has any brains at all he'll bow out and let the Trump train take its course but i doubt he will. This right here is the death blow to his chances,,,,

Ron DeSantis government bans new advanced African American history course (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-government-bans-advanced-143056504.html)

Couldn't be more wrong.

Politics is all about timing. DeSantis just turned a purple state, beet red. His time is now.

Trump is worried about going to jail and is hiding out at Mar-a-lago and posting weird videos, sweating profusely and defending himself.

[Will Hunting]

Couldn't be more wrong.

Politics is all about timing. DeSantis just turned a purple state, beet red. His time is now.

Trump is worried about going to jail and is hiding out at Mar-a-lago and posting weird videos, sweating profusely and defending himself.
Agreed about timing but the first thing about DeSantis turning Florida red is an exaggeration. Florida was purple at the presidential level (even that’s a stretch when Obama and slick Willy were the only two Dem president candidates to win the state in modern history) but it’s had a GOP trifecta at the state level since 1999 and the state Democratic Party in Florida has been a disaster for decades. Jeb Bush built a turnout powerhouse for the Florida GOP, Rick Scott continued it, and DeSantis largely finished what Jeb started.

2022 was the year that the national Dems decided to stop bailing the Florida Dems out at the expense of other states and the results reflected it. We got clapped in Florida but did way better in other purple states.

[Winehole23]

DeSantis is afraid of law abiding Floridians.

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[FrostKing]

Never heard of Youngkin

[Millennial_Messiah]

DeSantis is afraid of law abiding Floridians.

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Trump's main attacking point on DeSantis will inevitably be that he's been generally a moderate on second amendment / gun issues in general throughout his track record as governor and in the house. Florida is a red-flag law state (albeit, a mild one, and certainly not in the same category as, say, CA/IL/NY) and DeSantis hasn't done anything to change that or even make the state as gun-friendly as, say, Georgia, a much bluer state.


Agreed about timing but the first thing about DeSantis turning Florida red is an exaggeration. Florida was purple at the presidential level (even that’s a stretch when Obama and slick Willy were the only two Dem president candidates to win the state in modern history) but it’s had a GOP trifecta at the state level since 1999 and the state Democratic Party in Florida has been a disaster for decades. Jeb Bush built a turnout powerhouse for the Florida GOP, Rick Scott continued it, and DeSantis largely finished what Jeb started.

2022 was the year that the national Dems decided to stop bailing the Florida Dems out at the expense of other states and the results reflected it. We got clapped in Florida but did way better in other purple states.
DeSantis is an electoral juggernaut and inevitably the GOP surrounding him will have a much better ground game, mail-in vote and early vote turnout game, and ballot-harvesting game than Trump's team ever did. (No more of this QAnon-level "mail in and early votes are only counted for the Dems" business.) That alone should be good enough to win back GA/AZ/NV at least for 2024.

The question mark is will DeSantis be able to reclaim one or more of the great lakes states. You have to at least win Wisconsin which should be a gimme considering demographics, but the GOP has repeatedly screwed the pooch and underperformed there.

[boutons_deux]

Debunking DeSantis' Boast That 'We Were Right' About Pandemic


running on his results in managing the COVID-19 pandemic, saying,

"We were right, they were wrong."

But the Florida governor's "right" results rank among the worst in the nation. :lol

under DeSantis' leadership, the Sunshine State's results were far worse than nearly every other state in the nation.

Florida ranked ninth in per-capita cases. :lol

...

Florida ranked 12th in per-capita deaths. :lol


https://www.nationalmemo.com/desantis-covid-2659582630

yet another example that Repugs, right wing hate media, ALL multi-millionaire ELITES,

LIE to their ignorant, stupid, bamboozled base that wants to be lied and pandered to, confirming their hate, misogyny, grievances, xenophobia, racism

[Hank Scorpio]

Couldn't be more wrong.

Politics is all about timing. DeSantis just turned a purple state, beet red. His time is now.

Trump is worried about going to jail and is hiding out at Mar-a-lago and posting weird videos, sweating profusely and defending himself.

You posted this in January 2023 and that was his peak time apparently

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrWJ_gnX0AIPS-B.jpg

[HemisfairArena]

DeSantis let his ego get the best of him,,,,he's toast now and his numbers will start plummeting. If he has any brains at all he'll bow out and let the Trump train take its course but i doubt he will. This right here is the death blow to his chances,,,,

Ron DeSantis government bans new advanced African American history course (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/ron-desantis-government-bans-advanced-143056504.html)


Im proved right again,,,,this Desantis is a dumbass and just keeps on going,,,how are his poll numbers doing for all those saying I was wrong?,,,,,LMAO

[HemisfairArena]

Couldn't be more wrong.

Politics is all about timing. DeSantis just turned a purple state, beet red. His time is now.

Trump is worried about going to jail and is hiding out at Mar-a-lago and posting weird videos, sweating profusely and defending himself.



How are DeSantis poll numbers doing now, numbnuts,,,,you were the one who couldnt be more wrong,,,,,,lmao

[HemisfairArena]

Cmon, dumbfucks,,,,lets see these great Desantis poll numbers and momentum that you think is gonna overtake Trump,,,,,lmao

[HemisfairArena]

New Poll Shows Trump Expanding Lead Over DeSantis (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-poll-shows-trump-expanding-lead-over-desantis/ar-AA18Gsf7)

Among Republican and Republican-leaning voters, the Quinnipiac GOP primary preference poll found that Trump garnered the support of 46 percent, while DeSantis claimed 32 percent among a list of 14 potential GOP candidates. This represents a four-point swing away from DeSantis from the firm’s February poll (https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3869).
In a head-to-head contest between the two for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, the numbers are even more strongly in favor of Trump, with the former president grabbing 51 percent of primary voters as opposed to DeSantis’s 40 percent.
“DeSantis might be the buzz in the GOP conversation, but for now Trump is seeing no erosion and, in fact, enjoys a bump in his lead in the Republican primary,” Quinnipiac polling analyst Tim Malloy noted in an official statement following publication of the survey.
The polling further revealed that in a presidential matchup between President Joe Biden and Trump, Biden leads Trump by five percentage points at the moment. However, when Biden faces DeSantis, Biden edges out DeSantis by just a single percentage point.

,,,,,now notice at the end of the article that the liberal media is starting to set their agenda,,,,they want DeSantis,,,,they want republicans to believe he has a better shot against Biden. Let me ask you this,,,,do you think DeSantis can get 74 million votes like Trump did in 2020?,,,,,,,no fucking way,,,,lmao,,,,not a chance,,,,he wouldnt even break 60 million,,,that's why the liberal media wants republicans to believe in DeSantis.

[Millennial_Messiah]

New Poll Shows Trump Expanding Lead Over DeSantis (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-poll-shows-trump-expanding-lead-over-desantis/ar-AA18Gsf7)

Among Republican and Republican-leaning voters, the Quinnipiac GOP primary preference poll found that Trump garnered the support of 46 percent, while DeSantis claimed 32 percent among a list of 14 potential GOP candidates. This represents a four-point swing away from DeSantis from the firm’s February poll (https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3869).
In a head-to-head contest between the two for the 2024 Republican presidential nomination, the numbers are even more strongly in favor of Trump, with the former president grabbing 51 percent of primary voters as opposed to DeSantis’s 40 percent.
“DeSantis might be the buzz in the GOP conversation, but for now Trump is seeing no erosion and, in fact, enjoys a bump in his lead in the Republican primary,” Quinnipiac polling analyst Tim Malloy noted in an official statement following publication of the survey.
The polling further revealed that in a presidential matchup between President Joe Biden and Trump, Biden leads Trump by five percentage points at the moment. However, when Biden faces DeSantis, Biden edges out DeSantis by just a single percentage point.

,,,,,now notice at the end of the article that the liberal media is starting to set their agenda,,,,they want DeSantis,,,,they want republicans to believe he has a better shot against Biden. Let me ask you this,,,,do you think DeSantis can get 74 million votes like Trump did in 2020?,,,,,,,no fucking way,,,,lmao,,,,not a chance,,,,he wouldnt even break 60 million,,,that's why the liberal media wants republicans to believe in DeSantis.

See that... Biden leads Trump by five percentage points at this moment. Popular vote wise that means a narrow electoral college victory for the Democrats similar to 2020.

Biden defeating DeSantis in the popular vote by a "single percentage point" means that Biden would get killed in the electoral college, even worse than Hillary (basically 2016 map plus at least Nevada, and many polls have Desantis ahead of Biden in Virginia as well).

Think about it logically.

[Winehole23]

DeSantis is the Elizabeth Warren of Jeb Bushes.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fra7SUSWwAAS0gk?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

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[spurraider21]

the more people hear him speak instead of just reading headlines about him, the less they like him

[ChumpDumper]

See that... Biden leads Trump by five percentage points at this moment. Popular vote wise that means a narrow electoral college victory for the Democrats similar to 2020.

Biden defeating DeSantis in the popular vote by a "single percentage point" means that Biden would get killed in the electoral college, even worse than Hillary (basically 2016 map plus at least Nevada, and many polls have Desantis ahead of Biden in Virginia as well).

Think about it logically.


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"l:lolgically"

[Millennial_Messiah]

"l:lolgically"

It's March.... of 2023. The election is in 2024.

Recall that time when Bernie was destroying Biden, by double digits, in all of the polls at the beginning of March..... of 2020? I sure as hell do. In fact even in the daytime on Tuesday, March 3rd... the results of the same night looked like some definite shenanigans *big money / deep state / Soros level interference* went on. With every state except Vermont going for Biden. It was even way more flagrant than anything that happened at night on November 3rd into the 4th of the same year tbh.

Super Tuesday is still a little under a year away and lots of shit could happen. Trump could get sick or croak, go to jail (unlikely), or just straight up lose energy or popularity and simply drop out, which is plausible. Especially if he keeps going down this rabbit hole of attacking his allies to the point of no return. Hopefully if he dropped out of the race he'd endorse DeSantis and not someone fringe who has literally no shot. Yeah let's nominate JR Majewski and get crushed.

[Monostradamus]

Trump showing Meatball Ron who his daddy is :lol completely tanked his polling numbers in like a month.

[ChumpDumper]

It's March.... of 2023. The election is in 2024.

Recall that time when Bernie was destroying Biden, by double digits, in all of the polls at the beginning of March..... of 2020? I sure as hell do. In fact even in the daytime on Tuesday, March 3rd... the results of the same night looked like some definite shenanigans *big money / deep state / Soros level interference* went on. With every state except Vermont going for Biden. It was even way more flagrant than anything that happened at night on November 3rd into the 4th of the same year tbh.

Super Tuesday is still a little under a year away and lots of shit could happen. Trump could get sick or croak, go to jail (unlikely), or just straight up lose energy or popularity and simply drop out, which is plausible. Especially if he keeps going down this rabbit hole of attacking his allies to the point of no return. Hopefully if he dropped out of the race he'd endorse DeSantis and not someone fringe who has literally no shot. Yeah let's nominate JR Majewski and get crushed.

:lol still underestimating Trump in 2023

If Trump finds a good way to deliver the pudding story, Desantis will be a laughing stock for your entire party.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol still underestimating Trump in 2023

If Trump finds a good way to deliver the pudding story, Desantis will be a laughing stock for your entire party.

It's 2023. How did Trump and his motley crew of neophyte candidates perform in 2022, Chumpers?

[ChumpDumper]

It's 2023. How did Trump and his motley crew of neophyte candidates perform in 2022, Chumpers?
In the Republican primaries?

Quite well.

It's your party. Try to fix it.

[Monostradamus]

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:lmao Meatball Ron

[Winehole23]

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[Ef-man]

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What has happened? A jew praising a mexican nazi?

Is this the beginning of the great war gathering of misogynist incels, like Qchrisy/Derptacular?

Next proclamation will be how they hate their mothers for refusing to breastfeed them in their current time of need!

[Will Hunting]

:lmao:lmao this is so unbelievably pathetic

"I was GEOGRAPHICALLY from Florida but I'm ACKSHULLY from a very important swing state that I'd need to win the presidency!"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FsE05b0XsAIPqm-?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Will Hunting]

I love how Trump is beating DeSantis by running against the GOP party platform

“Rob Desanctus wants to cut social security, ban abortion for rape victims, and put Paul Ryan in charge of your healthcare. Not good folks!”
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[Leetonidas]

i dont think i've ever heard someone try to differentiate between being geographically raised somewhere and culturally somewhere else they never actually were :lol wtf

[Will Hunting]

:lol kinda sad that Rob DePuddin' is the best possible candidate they have to take Trump down

[FrostKing]

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No way you read thru this article you just posted.

I skimmed and the sub story of the secular Jewish household sobbing is for shock. They have some interesting stuff but it's drowned in long winded word salads.

[baseline bum]

I love how Trump is beating DeSantis by running against the GOP party platform

“Rob Desanctus wants to cut social security, ban abortion for rape victims, and put Paul Ryan in charge of your healthcare. Not good folks!”

And ignorant GOP voters will ignore the fact that Trump actually defunded Social Security. And then he campaigned on making the defunding permanent and still got 74 million votes. It's hilarious to hear Trump of all people attacking someone else for wanting to kill Social Security.

[Will Hunting]

And ignorant GOP voters will ignore the fact that Trump actually defunded Social Security. And then he campaigned on making the defunding permanent and still got 74 million votes. It's hilarious to hear Trump of all people attacking someone else for wanting to kill Social Security.
Everything about Trump's behavior in the GOP primary is hilarious to watch. He more or less wins by making a mockery of what the GOP has been for the last 40 years.

[baseline bum]

Everything about Trump's behavior in the GOP primary is hilarious to watch. He more or less wins by making a mockery of what the GOP has been for the last 40 years.

Pretty much did the same shit in 2016. Ran on being the one Republican who wasn't going to touch your Social Security and about how he'd make it so his own taxes would go up. Oops, that was all bullshit. I'm kind of surprised the Republicans don't all run like him. If Romney and Ryan would have lied about their plans to kill Medicare the way Trump does on the campaign trail they would have demolished Obama in the 2012 election.

[Monostradamus]

Couldn't be more wrong.

Politics is all about timing. DeSantis just turned a purple state, beet red. His time is now.

Trump is worried about going to jail and is hiding out at Mar-a-lago and posting weird videos, sweating profusely and defending himself.
:lmao not shocking that this retard jumped on the Meatball Ron train and it immediately derailed.

[Will Hunting]

:lol the Trump supporters are cooking

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[spurraider21]

what are you supposed to make out of a picture of a part of a foot?

[Will Hunting]

what are you supposed to make out of a picture of a part of a foot?
:lol you're not, the Trump supporters are just making insanely ridiculous shit up and it's funny

[Extra Stout]

DeSantis would have a great chance of only losing to Trump by 30 or 40. Who are we kidding? The GOP base knows exactly what it wants, and it’s not competent governance. They want their enemies to die.

Trump will be the nominee in 2024, and he will lose to Biden again, by a couple more percentage points in the popular vote and more or less the same electoral vote margin. There will be massive violence in Arizona, Georgia, and Florida (which will have a razor-thin margin).

Rednecks who mobilize in rebellion will be purged. They’ve all been tracked for the past two years. If you’re hardcore MAGA, you likely on a list from your employer, your bank, or any other institution you’re affiliated with that knows your political proclivities.

[Millennial_Messiah]

DeSantis would have a great chance of only losing to Trump by 30 or 40. Who are we kidding? The GOP base knows exactly what it wants, and it’s not competent governance. They want their enemies to die.

Trump will be the nominee in 2024, and he will lose to Biden again, by a couple more percentage points in the popular vote and more or less the same electoral vote margin. There will be massive violence in Arizona, Georgia, and Florida (which will have a razor-thin margin).

Rednecks who mobilize in rebellion will be purged. They’ve all been tracked for the past two years. If you’re hardcore MAGA, you likely on a list from your employer, your bank, or any other institution you’re affiliated with that knows your political proclivities.

Incorrect. But the rest of your post isn't impractical.

Not saying there couldn't be violence in Florida, but the idea of Florida having a thinner margin in 2024 than 2020 is absurd when record-shattering amounts of conservatives left blue and purple states to Florida in 2020 and 2021 alone due to Desantis's covid policy compared to the covid policy of their said blue or purple state.




:lol you're not, the Trump supporters are just making insanely ridiculous shit up and it's funny


:lol the Trump supporters are cooking

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Cooking... perhaps.... by dumping 3 tablespoons of water into a large skillet of boiling oil with the stove burner maxed out and putting their face directly over the skillet. How else do you get orange face like orange man, tbh?

[Will Hunting]

:lmao:lmao:lmao "Pauline Ryan"

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[Will Hunting]

the more people hear him speak instead of just reading headlines about him, the less they like him
He sounds like if you made a text-to-voice AI bot watch 1,000 hours of Fox News

"we need to make gas stoves tax free because Florida is where woke electric stoves go to die"

[Winehole23]

(Induction stoves are where it's at, tbh)

[boutons_deux]

Why is Ron DeSantis slipping in the polls?

Could his 2024 presidential campaign be over before it even starts?

A 'very bad week' for DeSantis supporters


Trump surged to more than double the Florida governor's support.


NEW:

Tracking the 2024 GOP PrimaryDonald

Trump: 54%
Ron DeSantis: 26%
Mike Pence: 7%
Nikki Haley: 4%
Liz Cheney: 3%
Greg Abbott: 1%
Kristi Noem: 1%
Mike Pompeo: 1%
Glenn Youngkin: 1%
Tim Scott: 1%
Vivek Ramaswamy: 1%
Someone Else: 1%*

Mar. 17-19, 2023https://t.co/4CBfh5gVos pic.twitter.com/hk8kgye4qg (https://t.co/hk8kgye4qg)

— Morning Consult (@MorningConsult) March 21, 2023 (https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1638152935908470785?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


https://theweek.com/ron-desantis/1021983/desantis-campaign-might-be-over-before-it-even-starts

[SnakeBoy]

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[ChumpDumper]

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Do you think this will help anything?

[SnakeBoy]

Do you think this will help anything?

It will help people carry firearms without a permit

[ChumpDumper]

It will help people carry firearms without a permit

Which will accomplish what?

[ChumpDumper]

I'm starting to think maybe this guy isn't as smart as snacks thinks he is.

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[Winehole23]

I'm starting to think maybe this guy isn't as smart as snacks thinks he is.

1642135642221027329Disney locked in a 30 year development deal under the wire.

The new Reedy Creek authority is DeSantis appointees, correct?

[ChumpDumper]

Disney locked in a 30 year development deal under the wire.

The new Reedy Creek authority is DeSantis appointees, correct?
Correct, and they showed up to work just to find out they've been precastrated.

[pgardn]

Which will accomplish what?

What exactly needs to be accomplished?
Snaked knows there will always be crazy people.
We must live with that.

[Winehole23]

live by the sword, die by the sword

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Disney locked in a 30 year development deal under the wire.

The new Reedy Creek authority is DeSantis appointees, correct?

Whitmer: come relocate to Michigan, we have more water / shore line than Florida

Disney: zOmG ItS tOo CoLd



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Based Ron :tu

I'm a little disappointed in him for not repealing the 70s-80s era Florida red flag laws sooner though, not gonna lie.

[ChumpDumper]

Whitmer: come relocate to Michigan, we have more water / shore line than Florida

Disney: zOmG ItS tOo CoLd
Why move? they got everything they want.:lol





Based Ron :tu

I'm a little disappointed in him for not repealing the 70s-80s era Florida red flag laws sooner though, not gonna lie.
What will this law do?

[ElNono]

Disney locked in a 30 year development deal under the wire.

The new Reedy Creek authority is DeSantis appointees, correct?

Mr. DeSantis named five appointees to the oversight board on Feb. 27. Three are lawyers who have donated campaign money to Mr. DeSantis. Another is a founder of Moms for Liberty, a group that backed Florida’s law restricting the discussion of sexuality and gender identity in classrooms. The fifth is the chief executive of a Christian ministry who is known for spreading a baseless theory that tap water could turn people gay.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Bold prediction, Desantis will do better margin wise in California vs. Biden than Biden will in Florida vs. Desantis

I'm thinking Desantis loses CA by 12-14% and wins Florida by around 17-20%.

Desantis is like a "Boston" Rob Mariano type legend from Survivor, he plays to win at all costs. Trump goes with Mike Lindell's QAnon-caliber fake-Christian conspiracy theories and him and his candidates always lose races they should win because of poor turnout.

[ChumpDumper]

Bold prediction, Desantis will do better margin wise in California vs. Biden than Biden will in Florida vs. Desantis

I'm thinking Desantis loses CA by 12-14% and wins Florida by around 17-20%.

Desantis is like a "Boston" Rob Mariano type legend from Survivor, he plays to win at all costs. Trump goes with Mike Lindell's QAnon-caliber fake-Christian conspiracy theories and him and his candidates always lose races they should win because of poor turnout.

Trump is your nominee. Project for Trump.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trump is your nominee. Project for Trump.

Biden beats Trump with the same exact map, though Trump slightly does better in the electoral college (due to the change from the census, though the census happening in early 2020 and not 2021 really underestimated Florida badly) & in the popular vote, due to Biden's demons being exposed as president and his favorability and job approval being about 20 points worse than 2020.

Trump loses the national popular vote by only 1-2% (the generic vote downstream being slightly more GOP-friendly), the GOP retakes the Senate with about 53-55 total senate seats, the GOP improves to around 230-235 House seats... Trump does better in places like FL/CA/TX/NY than 2020, improves in NC/VA/NM (but not nearly enough to retake Virginia or New Mexico), Colorado goes >20% blue margin, but Trump does marginally worse in GA/AZ and quite a bit worse in PA, NH, and possibly MI. And the election is called for Biden on election night instead of days later, as GA, PA, MI and AZ become callable for Biden the night-of due to the slightly increased margins and better system of counting/distribution of counting compared to 2020. Wisconsin and Nevada aren't callable on election night, but end up going to Biden by razor-thin margins (less than 0.5%) after the election has already been called for Biden.

[ChumpDumper]

Biden beats Trump with the same exact map, though Trump slightly does better in the electoral college (due to the change from the census, though the census happening in early 2020 and not 2021 really underestimated Florida badly) & in the popular vote, due to Biden's demons being exposed as president and his favorability and job approval being about 20 points worse than 2020.

Trump loses the national popular vote by only 1-2% (the generic vote downstream being slightly more GOP-friendly), the GOP retakes the Senate with about 53-55 total senate seats, the GOP improves to around 230-235 House seats... Trump does better in places like FL/CA/TX/NY than 2020, improves in NC/VA/NM (but not nearly enough to retake Virginia or New Mexico), Colorado goes >20% blue margin, but Trump does marginally worse in GA/AZ and quite a bit worse in PA, NH, and possibly MI. And the election is called for Biden on election night instead of days later, as GA, PA, MI and AZ become callable for Biden the night-of due to the slightly increased margins and better system of counting/distribution of counting compared to 2020. Wisconsin and Nevada aren't callable on election night, but end up going to Biden by razor-thin margins (less than 0.5%) after the election has already been called for Biden.

What was your prediction for the 2020 presidential election?

[Millennial_Messiah]

What was your prediction for the 2020 presidential election?

like Trump winning 270-268 or something like that, i don't remember, but it wasn't a blowout like derp's map

I saw AZ coming but nobody objective realistically had Georgia flipping.... and those liberal optimists who had GA flipping also definitely had NC flipping and Florida blue.


for Desantis vs. Biden I have Desantis winning the electoral college and popular vote but still losing PA and MI... two states the GOP have lot a lot of ground in since 2018. I see Desantis winning back AZ and GA, NV, and he could potentially peel off a VA and even NM as well. Wisconsin again could go either way but Desantis' path to WI is different from Trump in that he would have to win the Scott Walker way by running up the score in the WOW and doing just enough in the rural areas and smaller cities in the west and north to get the job done. Trump's path to WI would be similar to 2016 in that he would need to run the score up in the less urban parts and perform just well enough in WOW to win. Either way WI isn't as far gone for the Democrats as people thought a year or two ago.

I see Desantis vs Biden map as being similar to Bush vs Kerry in '04, but flip Colorado blue and VA, NM, and WI are toss ups

[ChumpDumper]

like Trump winning 270-268Oh.

[Winehole23]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

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Desantis will pick up momentum when he actually, you know, declares and launches a campaign.

Right now the odds are around 50/50 that he will even jump in the race at all and the polls are reflecting that. If Desantis had declared, say, Nov or Dec. 2022, he'd have a big advantage by now

He failed to capitalize on his own momentum and the optics of Trump having underperformed in the midterms and now he's got an uphill climb, but it's not one he can't overcome. He just has to actually declare first things first.

[Winehole23]

Desantis will pick up momentum when he actually, you know, declares and launches a campaign.

Right now the odds are around 50/50 that he will even jump in the race at all and the polls are reflecting that. If Desantis had declared, say, Nov or Dec. 2022, he'd have a big advantage by now

He failed to capitalize on his own momentum and the optics of Trump having underperformed in the midterms and now he's got an uphill climb, but it's not one he can't overcome. He just has to actually declare first things first.if wishful thinking were an Olympic event, I'd bet on you to medal.

[Ef-man]

What was your prediction for the 2020 presidential election?


I had it 269-269. How many times shall I repeat myself? The only reason I said Trump is because a 269-269 would favor him because of the State House committee which votes on the tiebreaker would likely break Trump about 27-23 in the event of a tie.

I had Omaha-Nebraska district as light pink as possible, and it turned out light blue... otherwise my map was the best map assuming Trump holds PA.


Here's my final 2022 House Projection Map:

https://i.imgur.com/oUH9rB5.jpg


Here's my final 2022 Senate Projection Map:

https://i.imgur.com/J01gbRR.jpg

Algorithm (as always)

Tilt = <+1.5%
Lean = +1.5-5.0%
Likely = +5.0-15.0%
Safe = >15.0%


Full disclosure on the political leaning of the self-described libertarian, not.


Trump should stage a military coup to remain in power. After all, Obummer got 8 years, so anything less for Trump would not be fair.


When Trump wins re-election, you will see.

Target goal: a minimum of a million executions of the left-wing movement fake "humans" per month, and to me that's not enough.


I'm not a Trump discliple, but he's definitely better than the alternative.

Biden winning this year and the GOP holding the Senate (and taking back the House) in 2022 and taking back the WH and winning a treasure trove of Senate seats in 2024 wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize if Trump loses, though.


Though I do think Biden is worse and more fraudulent than Trump. Obviously not a fan of either. Trump has gone back on his promises too much imo. Still better than getting a democrat in. Though it pretty much ensures there will be a democrat in 2024 winning if Trump wins this fall. Hope RBG dies in the meantime though. And Thomas, I love the guy but he's older and not the healthiest dude, he should retire assuming Trump wins.

[Winehole23]

Mr. DeSantis named five appointees to the oversight board on Feb. 27. Three are lawyers who have donated campaign money to Mr. DeSantis. Another is a founder of Moms for Liberty, a group that backed Florida’s law restricting the discussion of sexuality and gender identity in classrooms. The fifth is the chief executive of a Christian ministry who is known for spreading a baseless theory that tap water could turn people gay.:lmao

[Will Hunting]

Full disclosure on the political leaning of the self-described libertarian, not.
:lmao

[Ef-man]

Mr. DeSantis named five appointees to the oversight board on Feb. 27. Three are lawyers who have donated campaign money to Mr. DeSantis. Another is a founder of Moms for Liberty, a group that backed Florida’s law restricting the discussion of sexuality and gender identity in classrooms. The fifth is the chief executive of a Christian ministry who is known for spreading a baseless theory that tap water could turn people gay.

How did we not piece together that Meatball Ron's hatred for Disney is related to where he was married?

https://www.businessinsider.com/meatball (https://www.businessinsider.com/ron-and-casey-desantis-got-married-at-disney-world) ron-got-married-at-disney-world

[Will Hunting]

What's so retarded about this Disney thing is that the median voter doesn't have some insanely polarized view of Disney or especially Disneyworld. The median voter thinks of Disney as an apolitical company that made movies they watched when they were kids and Disneyworld as the fun place their parents took them when they were a kid.

DeSantis spending so much energy getting in a pissing match with Disney while the cost of living in FL is ballooning & homeowners there are facing 80% home insurance premium spikes just seems weird.

[baseline bum]

DeSantis spending so much energy getting in a pissing match with Disney while the cost of living in FL is ballooning & homeowners there are facing 80% home insurance premium spikes just seems weird.

Not sure it's all that weird to see the GOP getting into culture war crap to distract from real issues again tbh. Has been their trademark since Bush got elected on fighting gay marriage.

[Millennial_Messiah]

What's so retarded about this Disney thing is that the median voter doesn't have some insanely polarized view of Disney or especially Disneyworld. The median voter thinks of Disney as an apolitical company that made movies they watched when they were kids and Disneyworld as the fun place their parents took them when they were a kid.

DeSantis spending so much energy getting in a pissing match with Disney while the cost of living in FL is ballooning & homeowners there are facing 80% home insurance premium spikes just seems weird.
&, it's still more than double on the western end of the manifest destiny, &, Your Newsom has done nothing about that. Also, Florida doesn't have mass hobo tent encampments, fentanyl, trash on every street, & illegal aliens.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Not sure it's all that weird to see the GOP getting into culture war crap to distract from real issues again tbh. Has been their trademark since Bush got elected on fighting gay marriage.
The GOP is about policy, not culture war. The Left / Democrats always try to make it APPEAR like the GOP's primary issues are culture war, with their bogus attack ad commercials that paint each and every GOP candidate as a far-right cultural conservative and that that's all that they stand for and that that's all they care about and are running on when the truth is the Democrats are completely lacking in policy while the GOP goes to work and restores order economically and in terms of foreign policy compared to the nothingness the Democrats ever do except always let inflation and quantitative easing get out of hand and start mindless foreign wars like Vietnam, Libya and (almost) Syria.

[Tyronn Lue]

What's so retarded about this Disney thing is that the median voter doesn't have some insanely polarized view of Disney or especially Disneyworld. The median voter thinks of Disney as an apolitical company that made movies they watched when they were kids and Disneyworld as the fun place their parents took them when they were a kid.

DeSantis spending so much energy getting in a pissing match with Disney while the cost of living in FL is ballooning & homeowners there are facing 80% home insurance premium spikes just seems weird.
Social media facing politics is a real phenomena. DeSanitarium likely doesn't care about Disney, probably was in their pockets until recently. All he cares about is attracting the Trumptards that have been lost in the deserts of bigotry since their dear leader shit the bed on Jan 6.

[baseline bum]

The GOP is about policy, not culture war. The Left / Democrats always try to make it APPEAR like the GOP's primary issues are culture war, with their bogus attack ad commercials that paint each and every GOP candidate as a far-right cultural conservative and that that's all that they stand for and that that's all they care about and are running on when the truth is the Democrats are completely lacking in policy while the GOP goes to work and restores order economically and in terms of foreign policy compared to the nothingness the Democrats ever do except always let inflation and quantitative easing get out of hand and start mindless foreign wars like Vietnam, Libya and (almost) Syria.

I see mommy put some meth into your easter basket today

[Millennial_Messiah]

Social media facing politics is a real phenomena. DeSanitarium likely doesn't care about Disney, probably was in their pockets until recently. All he cares about is attracting the Trumptards that have been lost in the deserts of bigotry since their dear leader shit the bed in the 2022 midterms, particularly in the primaries.

Fixed.
Nobody who is a conservative, independent, moderate, or libertarian who cares about policy gives a flying fuck about January 6th, 2021.


I see mommy put some meth into your easter basket today
It's April 9th, 2023. The Dumbocrats are still full of these 5th grade cheap insults, I see.

[ChumpDumper]

&, it's still more than double on the western end of the manifest destiny, &, Your Newsom has done nothing about that. Also, Florida doesn't have mass hobo tent encampments, fentanyl, trash on every street, & illegal aliens.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuDSKrxtEv8

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Unauthorized Population 772,000 (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/FL)

Florida checks all the boxes. You've been successfully distracted by muh culture war.

[Millennial_Messiah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuDSKrxtEv8

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Unauthorized Population 772,000 (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/FL)

Florida checks all the boxes. You've been successfully distracted by muh culture war.

Now, Chump, tell me the same stats for California.

[ChumpDumper]

Now, Chump, tell me the same stats for California.

I'm not going to chase your goalpost move. You said Florida had none of these. Florida has all of these. It just didn't work out for you.

[Ef-man]

I'm not going to chase your goalpost move. You said Florida had none of these. Florida has all of these. It just didn't work out for you.

:lol

[Will Hunting]

The GOP is about policy, not culture war.
:lmao the gop hasn’t even released a budget proposal that it wants in order to raise the debt ceiling. All it’s done is carnival bark about Biden’s proposed budget.

The GOP prides itself on its hatred towards governance.

[Will Hunting]

Anyway if your news sources stretch beyond Tucker Carlson, Florida’s of living crisis is well known by now

Miami rents are every bit as expensive as rents in SF/NYC at this point
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/florida-least-affordable-state-us-miami-tampa-orlando-naples-rent/

The tax savings form moving to FL largely gets cancelled out by the sky high rent
https://www.businessinsider.com/moving-to-florida-cheaper-save-money-taxes-cost-of-living-2023-1?amp

And all DeSantis has done to address is this is “deregulate” the insurance companies he’s in bed with to make it easier for them to jack home insurance rates up.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao the gop hasn’t even released a budget proposal that it wants in order to raise the debt ceiling. All it’s done is carnival bark about Biden’s proposed budget.

The GOP prides itself on its hatred towards governance.
Limited government over individuals (NOT big businesses) is a good thing, plus the debt ceiling should not be raised, it should be lower. We need a massive contractionary economic and fiscal policy. If I was POTUS I would executive order that and the national debt would be 100 percent paid off by no later than the end of 2025.



And all DeSantis has done to address is this is “deregulate” the insurance companies he’s in bed with to make it easier for them to jack home insurance rates up.
Insurance is definitely one industry that should be regulated, though there's no evidence that he's "in bed" with any insurance companies.

There's more empirical evidence that the Dems are in bed with the insurance companies. All the Obama ACA ever did was make it hard for individuals (especially those without specific jobs) to afford health insurance that is actually in network with a majority or even a decent percentage of doctors / providers. It gave the Aetna, Cigna, BCBS, and UHG of the world carte blanche to jack up health insurance through the roof, beyond the moon and past the Milky Way Galaxy... all at the expense of the individual US Citizen.

[Will Hunting]

Limited government over individuals (NOT big businesses) is a good thing, plus the debt ceiling should not be raised, it should be lower. We need a massive contractionary economic and fiscal policy. If I was POTUS I would executive order that and the national debt would be 100 percent paid off by no later than the end of 2025.
:lol defaulting on the debt (which is what would happen if you "lowered" the debt ceiling) would crater our economy in a way that would make 2008 seem like no big deal.

You're also ignoring what I actually said. The GOP hasn't put forth a budget or any coherent plan to lower the deficit. Biden has. Why hasn't the "policy-oriented" party been able to present a budget 90+ days after it retook the house?

The GOP is precisely the opposite of what you're describing. It's limited government for big businesses (corporate tax cuts, deregulation, laws that make union busting easy) and big government for individuals (abortion restrictions).


There's more empirical evidence that the Dems are in bed with the insurance companies.
Try again dipshit, DeSantis gets tons of campaign donations from the same insurance companies jacking up homeowner insurance rates on Floridians:
https://www.levernews.com/desantis-leaves-floridians-at-the-mercy-of-his-insurance-industry-donors/

[leemajors]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuDSKrxtEv8

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Unauthorized Population 772,000 (https://www.migrationpolicy.org/data/unauthorized-immigrant-population/state/FL)

Florida checks all the boxes. You've been successfully distracted by muh culture war.

not to mention their rapidly disappearing beaches/coastline they have to trawl the bottom of the ocean for sand to replenish frequently.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The GOP is precisely the opposite of what you're describing. It's limited government for big businesses (corporate tax cuts, deregulation, laws that make union busting easy) and big government for individuals (abortion restrictions).
Abortion / Plan B restrictions are horse shit, but let's not be so quick to forget the draconian
-executive shutdowns (2020-2021 in some cases),
-federal, state, local, and private mask mandates (2020-2022, still existing or recently lifted even into 2023).
-and federal employee (for certain positions), military, private, and certain trade vax mandates (2021-2022, with some private and trade vax mandates still existing into 2023).
that were in place for roughly three years just because "well it's over now".... some people are permanently disaffected and compromised because of that.
It's a gargantuan issue and a prime example of government overreach of individual liberty as well as the government not protecting the individual from compromisation of individual liberty from big establishments and employers.
Never forgive; never forget.

It's just as big of a deal if not worse than abortion because it's taking a novelty plague and using it as a weapon against the individual and increasing government tyranny over a novel issue that was never some kind of extinction level event.

If they're going to pass the Equality Act (to federally require employers to not be prejudiced on basis of sexual orientation or gender identity) the GOP - or some body within Congress - must include vaccination status as a protected class.

I do include corporate tax hikes and most importantly, elimination of corporate tax loopholes, as part of my contractionary economic policy. Raise the Fed interest rate to around 12.5% and leave it there until inflation is rolled back to at least pre-covid (2019). Defund foreign entities, foreign aid, and any military operation other than homeland security. Slash spending on everything other than the basics like roads, medicare, and social security. Pay off the national debt with a plan that's 85-90% decreasing spending and 10-15% corporate tax increase policy (hikes + elimination of corporate deductions / loopholes).

[Adam Lambert]

LMAO suggesting the GOP isn't about culture wars.

[Adam Lambert]

Abortion / Plan B restrictions are horse shit, but let's not be so quick to forget the draconian
-executive shutdowns (2020-2021 in some cases),
-federal, state, local, and private mask mandates (2020-2022, still existing or recently lifted even into 2023).
-and federal employee (for certain positions), military, private, and certain trade vax mandates (2021-2022, with some private and trade vax mandates still existing into 2023).
that were in place for roughly three years just because "well it's over now".... some people are permanently disaffected and compromised because of that.

"Maintain an unwanted 40 week pregnancy and push a watermelon-sized human out of your vagina at the end" vs. "Get a shot and wear a mask if you choose to go to the grocery store."
:lmao Conservatives are incredible pussies.

Also Greg Abbott will be interested to learn that COVID shutdowns/mandates were a uniquely liberal policy.

[Will Hunting]

LMAO suggesting the GOP isn't about culture wars.
:lol he’s simping for a presidential candidate who’s literally branded his state as the state “where woke goes to die”

DeSantis even made gas stoves tax exempt purely to respond to Biden admin’s recommendation to not use gas stoves.

Desantis’s entire presidential primary strategy is clearly to just out culture war Trump, who’s actually a lot more moderate than DeSantis on culture war/social issues.

[Tyronn Lue]

Fixed.
Nobody who is a conservative, independent, moderate, or libertarian who cares about policy gives a flying fuck about January 6th, 2021.


It's April 9th, 2023. The Dumbocrats are still full of these 5th grade cheap insults, I see.
I take what you post with a grain of salt, about the size of your brain.

[Millennial_Messiah]

DeSantis even made gas stoves tax exempt purely to respond to Biden admin’s recommendation to not use gas stoves.

BASED :toast

Gas stoves are the best, sleekest, and most efficient for cooking. As a real estate guy / home improvement manager (not DIY, but designer, i.e. I hire the laborers, as a side hobby / ex side business) I would definitely always get a nice black gas stove for any house I'm selling or buying if and when possible. They're by far the best looking, best for cooking, and most popular whether the fake green new deal Dems like it or not.

If you have no choice but to go with electric, get a coil burner electric stove and not a glass top ("induction") stove -- those are terrible and the burners always go out and are high maintenance all around -- as a real estate guy I would know those are THE WORST.


Desantis’s entire presidential primary strategy is clearly to just out culture war Trump, who’s actually a lot more moderate than DeSantis on culture war/social issues.

True. Trump is a closet atheist and reasonably pro-choice, and also more moderate/populist on many of the economic/labor issues. He just can't spew the culturally moderate stuff or say he's not religious out loud because he'll lose his base, but it's painfully obvious when he talks about God or Christianity (a lot less than almost anyone else in the GOP, fwiw) he definitely doesn't come off as a sincere Christian.



"Maintain an unwanted 40 week pregnancy and push a watermelon-sized human out of your vagina at the end" vs. "Get a shot and wear a mask if you choose to go to the grocery store."
:lmao Conservatives are incredible pussies.
I'm pro-choice, even if it's a "convenience abortion" early after conceiving or in the first trimester, but the big elephant in the room you're missing is that sex is just that... a choice. Unless you're raped, which is very rare despite what you see sensationalized on the news... sex is a choice.

Sex is a choice... going to the grocery store is NOT a choice. Are you saying people should starve because they choose to not have their body violated by a very questionable, potentially long-term poisonous DNA-altering "vaccine" manufactured by BigPharma, with the help of Communist China? Are you saying people should starve because they have asthma, chronic sinus congestion, breathing disorders or other issues that may not allow them to comfortably wear a mask fully over their nose?

You Democrats are the biggest hypocrites on Earth.


I take what you post with a grain of salt, about the size of your brain.
Insults without rhetoric, when rhetoric is a losing argument. Typical Democrat behavior #TDB


Also Greg Abbott will be interested to learn that COVID shutdowns/mandates were a uniquely liberal policy.

I'm aware. I had my fights with the H-E-B mask gestapo in the Spring of 2020. Got ejected a few times, but proudly shoplifted from them a few times in the process to make myself whole. I proudly voted for Huffines in the primary. If the Democrat candidate was someone better than Beto, might have considered showing Abbott the door over that.

Abbott definitely wasn't as based as Desantis or even someone like Kemp.


^ Mom never noticed

My mom's more based than me, a better cook than me, and taught me to read and write regular (non picture) books by age 2, all the states and capitals by age 2, how to do all four function math in my head by 3, long division and fractions by 4, and basic algebra by 5. Beyond that I didn't apply myself too much after my mom went back to teaching public school after my grandmother retired from teaching and I was left with my grandmother, who taught me Spanish and history and all the countries and capitals and geography of the world as she was an ESL teacher for 33 years. My mom is also the greatest artist and cook of all time. All of that without me ever growing up with any dad or step dad. No siblings, either. My mom committed my entire childhood to me. I have mad respect for that woman.

My mom is a pro-Trump atheist conservative like me, believes the 2020 election was rigged, but doesn't buy the QAnon conspiracy stuff. She has friends who do, though.


:lmao shoplifting

What a child.
As if your Democrats, particularly in blue states, don't do the same thing, and in most cases worth much more money, and expensive non-need goods rather than food; and generally violently rather than stealthily.

Also, there's this. The libertarian anthem by one of the greatest libertarian musicians:

(Skip to the last verse if you want)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vohUk1ydFYc

[Tyronn Lue]

^ Mom never noticed

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao shoplifting

What a child.

[ChumpDumper]

Great optics tbh.

1644511402369974272

[Adam Lambert]

I'm pro-choice, even if it's a "convenience abortion" early after conceiving or in the first trimester, but the big elephant in the room you're missing is that sex is just that... a choice. Unless you're raped, which is very rare despite what you see sensationalized on the news... sex is a choice.

You don't cede your bodily autonomy to the government for 40 weeks as a consequence of a legal, natural and common choice.


Sex is a choice... going to the grocery store is NOT a choice. Are you saying people should starve because they choose to not have their body violated by a very questionable, potentially long-term poisonous DNA-altering "vaccine" manufactured by BigPharma, with the help of Communist China? Are you saying people should starve because they have asthma, chronic sinus congestion, breathing disorders or other issues that may not allow them to comfortably wear a mask fully over their nose?

Going to the grocery store is absolutely a choice. You can drive thru for food. You can order for curbside pickup. You can use Instacart or Amazon Fresh.

Or, if you can't or don't want to do any of those things, you can put a cheap little mask over your face for a few minutes instead of whining like an entitled baby about it.

Frankly, the grocery store was a bad example anyway because even the strictest local vaccine mandates in the country excluded grocery stores from the requirement. You entitled babies wanted to skip an easy and harmless shot to go to concerts and restaurants while people died from a lack of hospital beds. Selfish entitled babies.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You don't cede your bodily autonomy to the government for 40 weeks as a consequence of a legal, natural and common choice.



Going to the grocery store is absolutely a choice. You can drive thru for food. You can order for curbside pickup. You can use Instacart or Amazon Fresh.

Or, if you can't or don't want to do any of those things, you can put a cheap little mask over your face for a few minutes instead of whining like an entitled baby about it.

Frankly, the grocery store was a bad example anyway because even the strictest local vaccine mandates in the country excluded grocery stores from the requirement. You entitled babies wanted to skip an easy and harmless shot to go to concerts and restaurants while people died from a lack of hospital beds. Selfish entitled babies.

#CommunistKGBLogic
#StalinistLogic

Telling people they have to pay extra (curbside pickup is not a free service) in order to live a basic free life is communofascism. Totalitarian, draconian, pro-strong government, and NOT WHAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON.

The country will not be made great again until 100% of Thomas Hobbes thinkers are executed without due process. They are fake humans and do not belong in existence in the universe, much less in the USA.

also, :lmao at "easy and harmless" when those poison shots will kill 40% of those jabbed within 10 years, regardless of age, and have caused a six-fold spike in infertility cases (and irregular periods) in menstruation age young women.



:lmao shoplifting

What a child.
It's justified 100% because I didn't vote for inflation, Biden, or the chinavirus being made in the lab.

[Adam Lambert]

#CommunistKGBLogic
#StalinistLogic

Telling people they have to pay extra (curbside pickup is not a free service) in order to live a basic free life is communofascism. Totalitarian, draconian, pro-strong government, and NOT WHAT THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS FOUNDED ON.

The country will not be made great again until 100% of Thomas Hobbes thinkers are executed without due process. They are fake humans and do not belong in existence in the universe, much less in the USA.

also, :lmao at "easy and harmless" when those poison shots will kill 40% of those jabbed within 10 years, regardless of age, and have caused a six-fold spike in infertility cases (and irregular periods) in menstruation age young women..

Curbside pickup was largely free during COVID. Even if it wasn't, the easy way around that is to not be an entitled baby and put a mask on.

I should have known better than to engage your dumb ass.

[Ef-man]

Telling people they have to pay extra (curbside pickup is not a free service) in order to live a basic free life .

Nice, you are telling me you are living pay check to pay check without saying it. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

[B]It's justified 100% because I didn't vote for inflation, Biden, or the chinavirus being made in the lab.:lol no it isn't

You're just a common thief.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol no it isn't

You're just a common thief.

Coming from one who supports the party that stole the 2020 election, i.e. the great heist of our nation's history... absurdly hilarious, pathetic, and hypocritical.

[ChumpDumper]

Coming from one who supports the party that stole the 2020 election, i.e. the great heist of our nation's history... absurdly hilarious, pathetic, and hypocritical.:lmao

Walk me through how we stole the 2020 election.

This should be good.

[Will Hunting]

Coming from one who supports the party that stole the 2020 election, i.e. the great heist of our nation's history... absurdly hilarious, pathetic, and hypocritical.
:lmao I see you’ve already broke character on your “I’m not a trump supporter” shtick

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao I see you’ve already broke character on your “I’m not a trump supporter” shtick

:lmao

Walk me through how we stole the 2020 election.

This should be good.


I'm not a Trump supporter because of the way he reacted to everything and the way he full on fucked over the midterms by propping up loser candidates like Herschel Walker and Tim Michels, and his stale messaging and poor leadership in getting out the vote / telling people to only vote on election day in person and that he's gone off the deep end with conspiracies since 2020, also he waffled on covid, operation warp speed et al., was not tough at all on the summer 2020 crime which indisputably benefited the left.

Still doesn't mean the 2020 election wasn't full of carefully planned shenanigans, from the Fulton County GA leak to having dead peoples' blue votes count in AZ (and having Fox News be the one and only one network call AZ for Biden waaaaaay early and Fox's 100% track record providing ethos to back that), to the massive ballot harvesting and late counting of the Democrat votes just so they could get the perfect margins in PA/MI/WI... all rubbish.

If you really buy that Biden got 81 million votes then you're living in fantasy land. Then again I believe Trump didn't get the 75 million either. There has never been that exponential of an increase in voter turnout from one election cycle to four years later. I believe, based on analytics from a normal cycle-over-cycle increase in voter turnout, that the accurate number was more like Biden 68-69 Million to Trump 66-67 Million (Source: Hillary 65.8M - Trump 62.9M = ~129M in 2016; Obama 65.9M - Romney 60.9M = ~127M turnout in 2012) based on the overall national environment which was about D+2 - D+3 in 2020. But that still would have likely netted a Trump win in the electoral college.

[Ef-man]

I'm a Trump supporter and would have liked a Trump win in the electoral college.

FIFY

[Will Hunting]

I'm not a Trump supporter because of the way he reacted to everything and the way he full on fucked over the midterms by propping up loser candidates like Herschel Walker and Tim Michels, and his stale messaging and poor leadership in getting out the vote / telling people to only vote on election day in person and that he's gone off the deep end with conspiracies since 2020, also he waffled on covid, operation warp speed et al., was not tough at all on the summer 2020 crime which indisputably benefited the left.

:lol you're pretending you hated these trumpy candidates all along but you were singing their praises before the election

:lmao Majewski

I met Majewski twice, once in Wisconsin and the other time just last Saturday in Youngstown OH. Great dude. And the GOP gerrymandered it, so he's going to beat that dingbat old bag Marcy Kaptur by over 5 percent. Bye Bye Nancy Pelosi of the Midwest.

Should be term limits anyway for everyone in congress in both chambers... those like Mitch, Kaptur, Pelosi, Schumer, Inhofe etc. 4 senate terms and 12 house terms maximum per lifetime.


Still doesn't mean the 2020 election wasn't full of carefully planned shenanigans, from the Fulton County GA leak to having dead peoples' blue votes count in AZ (and having Fox News be the one and only one network call AZ for Biden waaaaaay early and Fox's 100% track record providing ethos to back that), to the massive ballot harvesting and late counting of the Democrat votes just so they could get the perfect margins in PA/MI/WI... all rubbish.
PA/MI/WI all had laws on the books that required mail ballots to not get processed until election day, which all but ensured they'd be last to get counted. The Dem governor in all 3 states tried changing the law before the election but the GOP-controlled state legislatures refused (literally because they knew retarded rubes like you were buy into the bullshit that elections were rigged if each state started with a huge Trump lead that was closed after the mail ballots got counted).

Regarding dead people voting, there were 4 recorded instances of dead people voting in PA, and all 4 of those votes were cast for Trump. List specific examples of dead people who voted for Biden or fold.



There has never been that exponential of an increase in voter turnout from one election cycle to four years later. I believe, based on analytics from a normal cycle-over-cycle increase in voter turnout, that the accurate number was more like Biden 68-69 Million to Trump 66-67 Million (Source: Hillary 65.8M - Trump 62.9M = ~129M in 2016; Obama 65.9M - Romney 60.9M = ~127M turnout in 2012) based on the overall national environment which was about D+2 - D+3 in 2020. But that still would have likely netted a Trump win in the electoral college.

The 2016 presidential election had 135,719,982 total votes (you're missing 3rd party votes)
The 2020 presidential election had 158,429,631 total votes
That's a 17% increase from 2016 to 2020.

The 2000 presidential election had 105,421,423 total votes
The 2004 presidential election had 122,295,345 total votes
That's a 16% increase from 2000 to 2004.

The 1988 presidential election had 91,594,686 total votes
The 1992 presidential election 104,423,923 total votes
That's a 13% increase from 1998 to 1992.

The "exponential" (I'd hardly call 17% exponential but I understand that numbers aren't your thing) increase from 2016 to 2020 was nearly identical to the increase we had the last time a polarizing incumbent Republican was on the ballot and it wasn't much more than the time before that when an incumbent Republican was on the ballot.

This range also isn't anywhere near the largest change in turnout from one 4 year cycle to the other. Midterm turnout increased 45% from 2014 (78,235,240) to 2018 (113,412,989).

What exactly are you basing your statement that a increase in turnout from one election to the other had never happened before? I'm anxious to know.

[Millennial_Messiah]

PA/MI/WI all had laws on the books that required mail ballots to not get processed until election day, which all but ensured they'd be last to get counted. The Dem governor in all 3 states tried changing the law before the election but the GOP-controlled state legislatures refused (literally because they knew retarded rubes like you were buy into the bullshit that elections were rigged if each state started with a huge Trump lead that was closed after the mail ballots got counted).
show me articles proving that Wolf/Whitmer/Evers wanted the counting to be done concurrently and the state legislatures in each state blocking them to support your "red mirage" theory.

[Winehole23]

You should try an online search to spare yourself the embarrassment.

[Ef-man]

You should try an online search to spare yourself the embarrassment.

You think he has reached the bottom of embarrassment? He just posted, "Hold my beer!" :lol

[Will Hunting]

show me articles proving that Wolf/Whitmer/Evers wanted the counting to be done concurrently and the state legislatures in each state blocking them to support your "red mirage" theory.
Pennsylvania:
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-pennsylvania-elections-tom-wolf-archive-6651302b80c27dfa062b58e3e3cded88

Allowing as many as 21 days to process mail-in ballots before Election Day has been the counties’ top election priority for months, a request backed by Wolf and his fellow Democrats.

Michigan, where the state leg begrudgingly passed a law that allowed processing for 10 hours the day before election day while Benson and Whitmer wanted more processing time. It also didn't allow tabulating of mail ballots until election day even though Florida (the best ballot counting state in the country) processes and counts mail ballots as they come in.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/06/michigan-early-mail-ballot-processing-426809

Benson had advocated for allowing for more time to process ballots, but the legislature did not go along with the plan. “It is a step in the right direction, but it does not go far enough,” Benson said.

In Wisconsin the county clerks have been screaming for years about how the law should be changed, while the state leg refuses to address it:
https://wisconsinwatch.org/2020/12/wisconsin-absentee-voting-ballot-processing-changes/

Some lawmakers were poised to act even before the pandemic prompted an unprecedented 59% of Wisconsinites who voted to cast absentee ballots in the general election — a massive increase over previous elections.


A bipartisan bill proposed by Sen. Devin LeMahieu, R-Oostburg, in November 2019 would have made it possible for municipalities to begin processing absentee ballots on the day before an election. The bill failed to pass before the end of the session. In mid-October, nearly two dozen Democratic lawmakers sent a letter to Assembly Speaker Robin Vos, R-Rochester, and Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald, R-Juneau, urging them to pass the bill.


“Election integrity is of utmost concern for voters in Wisconsin,” the lawmakers wrote, “and the longer the count takes, the more potential for mistrust in results to be fomented by those who mean harm to our democracy.”

Heck, the WI Dems pushed again to change these laws in 2022, but once again the bills allowing earlier processing of mail ballots never made it out of committee:
https://apnews.com/article/elections-local-elections-9ee577c7a06132f87ddb0217bfcd4b73


This article explains how MI/WI/PA are 3 of the few states that still have archaic laws about when mail ballots can be processed/counted:
https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2020/12/15/wisconsin-one-few-states-ban-absentee-ballot-processing-before-election-day/3903278001/

But few go as far as Wisconsin in not allowing any ballot processing until that day. Only Alabama, Indiana, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Wyoming require that ballots not be processed until Election Day. (Michigan requires smaller cities to wait until Election Day, while those with 25,000 or more people can start a day early.)

[Will Hunting]

You should try an online search to spare yourself the embarrassment.
:lol I like how he asked me to link articles as some sort of gotcha when anyone who followed politics in 2020 and didn't live in a right wing information bubble knew how Wolfe/Evers/Whitmer were all lobbying to allow earlier ballot processing while the GOP state leg in PA/WI/MI either did nothing at all or passed a watered down bill that allowed ballot processing a day early (as if that really does anything to solve for how much time is required to process hundreds of thousands of mail ballots).

[Joseph Kony]

:lol imagine telling people that actually lived in the USSR or Nazi Germany that the US was the same because you have to wear a mask at the grocery store or because you could vote by mail

[Millennial_Messiah]

Michigan, where the state leg begrudgingly passed a law that allowed processing for 10 hours the day before election day while Benson and Whitmer wanted more processing time. It also didn't allow tabulating of mail ballots until election day even though Florida (the best ballot counting state in the country) processes and counts mail ballots as they come in.
:toast Sweet Florida

we all remember 2000... it's pretty amazing how far along it's come since. FL always callable on election day. PA/WI/MI would be the worst but they're not because somehow AZ/NV always manage to be THE WORST for whatever reason... ...

Based Ron DeSantis for using the mail in system to his advantage and winning by 19.5%, as opposed to Trump and QAnon candidates like Qari Lake campaigning that "if you don't vote on election day, your vote will be discounted or changed to blue".


:lol I like how he asked me to link articles as some sort of gotcha when anyone who followed politics in 2020 and didn't live in a right wing information bubble knew how Wolfe/Evers/Whitmer were all lobbying to allow earlier ballot processing while the GOP state leg in PA/WI/MI either did nothing at all or passed a watered down bill that allowed ballot processing a day early (as if that really does anything to solve for how much time is required to process hundreds of thousands of mail ballots).
The curious thing is that how come all of the elections in the swing states (PA/MI/WI/GA) except AZ and NV callable on midterm election night 2022 but not in 2020 even though you had the same governors and essentially the same state legislatures in all of those 6 states.

[Adam Lambert]

Remember how we used to call derp DK? This dude is almost a better example.

[Will Hunting]

:toast Sweet Florida

we all remember 2000... it's pretty amazing how far along it's come since. FL always callable on election day. PA/WI/MI would be the worst but they're not because somehow AZ/NV always manage to be THE WORST for whatever reason... ...

Based Ron DeSantis for using the mail in system to his advantage and winning by 19.5%, as opposed to Trump and QAnon candidates like Qari Lake campaigning that "if you don't vote on election day, your vote will be discounted or changed to blue".
Cool non sequitur. Your capitulation is duly noted.


The curious thing is that how come all of the elections in the swing states (PA/MI/WI/GA) except AZ and NV callable on midterm election night 2022 but not in 2020 even though you had the same governors and essentially the same state legislatures in all of those 6 states.
PA and MI were callable on election night in 2022 because they were blowouts, and there was also less mail to process. 2020 involved both record turnout levels and record amounts of people voting by mail because of COVID. By 2022 a lot of people had reverted back to their old habits of voting in person.

Nevada lets ballots come in over a week after e-day which drags the entire process out. Arizona's issue was that like 300,000 people in Maricopa dropped their ballot off on election day, a record number no one saw coming, so they had limited staff to process the surge of "late early" drop offs.

[Winehole23]

:lol I like how he asked me to link articles as some sort of gotcha when anyone who followed politics in 2020 and didn't live in a right wing information bubble knew how Wolfe/Evers/Whitmer were all lobbying to allow earlier ballot processing while the GOP state leg in PA/WI/MI either did nothing at all or passed a watered down bill that allowed ballot processing a day early (as if that really does anything to solve for how much time is required to process hundreds of thousands of mail ballots).not only that, Bannon was openly talking about the red mirage and declaring victory on election night. it's not really a conspiracy if the plotting is done in public.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Nevada lets ballots come in over a week after e-day which drags the entire process out. Arizona's issue was that like 300,000 people in Maricopa dropped their ballot off on election day, a record number no one saw coming, so they had limited staff to process the surge of "late early" drop offs.
I see NV/AZ/CA as all having major flaws in their vote counting process and needing major adjustments to be done prior to 2024. The process of letting ballots come in a week after e-day is ridiculous. America should know the results by midnight the night-of.

If every state would just follow Florida's counting laws, Ohio's gerrymandering rules, Georgia's covid policy, Texas's energy policy and have, say, Vermont's climate... life would be nice

[Will Hunting]

I like how MM tries to change the subject by acting like a dopey retard every time he gets shat on

[ElNono]

I like how MM tries to change the subject by acting like a dopey retard every time he gets shat on

:lol

Didn't he just post that the Roe issue was a fad from the left followed by Wisconsin taking an ample shit on that take?

[pgardn]

Dude has completely changed character yet again.
something is happening upstairs

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol

Didn't he just post that the Roe issue was a fad from the left followed by Wisconsin taking an ample shit on that take?
Roe reversal makes abortion a State's Rights / 10th Amendment issue.

It's over in a lot of states, including swing states like Michigan. Michigan passed the right to abortion as a state constitutional amendment via Proposition 3 in 2022, which is a >55% majority issue as Michigan is a libertarian state (they also have some of the most lax gun control in the USA despite carrying the burden of having Detroit, while Illinois has some of the tightest gun control having a similar but bigger type of high crime city in Chicago). Also, legal cannabis / THC (close to a 70/30 issue especially in a libertarianish state like Michigan) passed on the same ticket as Whitmer and Stabenow in '18. The Dems literally have practically nothing else to run that's not a 50/50 or worse issue on in that state.

The Dems are rapidly running out of issues to run on that aren't highly controversial or impede peoples' freedoms and lives more than they help them. Abortion, legal cannabis... legal gay marriage has been federal since 2015. If abortion is legal everywhere and the Dems make their campaign about gun control and green eco-fascism, they will lose.

[Winehole23]

Abortion won't be legal everywhere because Republicans keep passing laws restricting it. Anti-trans moral hysteria and racist, antigay Republican speech codes in schools will keep the GOP's real priorities in full view of voters until next year, at which point the more feral partisan dynamic of primary elections will come to the fore.

Whitmer won by 400,000 votes in Michigan, and the Supreme Court Justice in Wisconsin just won by ~200,000. Your hypothesis that Dems are running out of stuff to run on could use some improvement.

[Will Hunting]

Roe reversal makes abortion a State's Rights / 10th Amendment issue.

It's over in a lot of states, including swing states like Michigan. Michigan passed the right to abortion as a state constitutional amendment via Proposition 3 in 2022, which is a >55% majority issue as Michigan is a libertarian state (they also have some of the most lax gun control in the USA despite carrying the burden of having Detroit, while Illinois has some of the tightest gun control having a similar but bigger type of high crime city in Chicago). Also, legal cannabis / THC (close to a 70/30 issue especially in a libertarianish state like Michigan) passed on the same ticket as Whitmer and Stabenow in '18. The Dems literally have practically nothing else to run that's not a 50/50 or worse issue on in that state.

The Dems are rapidly running out of issues to run on that aren't highly controversial or impede peoples' freedoms and lives more than they help them. Abortion, legal cannabis... legal gay marriage has been federal since 2015. If abortion is legal everywhere and the Dems make their campaign about gun control and green eco-fascism, they will lose.
Your boy Majewski is running again :lol

How much is he beating Kaptur by this time?

[Will Hunting]

Abortion won't be legal everywhere because Republicans keep passing laws restricting it. Anti-trans moral hysteria and racist, antigay Republican speech codes in schools will keep the GOP's real priorities in full view of voters until next year, at which point the more feral partisan dynamic of primary elections will come to the fore.

Whitmer won by 400,000 votes in Michigan, and the Supreme Court Justice in Wisconsin just won by ~200,000. Your hypothesis that Dems are running out of stuff to run on could use some improvement.
He’s also ignoring the activist right wing judges who want to ban abortion pills nationally and are citing fetal personhood in their opinions as a legitimate legal theory.

abortion isn’t going away at all anytime soon.

[Will Hunting]

The democracy stuff is also every bit as much of a boon with suburban voters as abortion is.

All of the election deniers who ran statewide in purple states not only lost but underperformed terribly. The guys who weren’t outright election deniers but flirters with election denial also performed terribly (Masters).

Just look at Wisconsin. Even a lot of ancestral Republican voters in Waukesha county are sick of Robin Vos rigging the maps so Republicans can’t lose and then doing fuck all with his majority to actually help the state.

Obama got 32% of the Waukesha vote in 2012 and Justice Janet got 42% last week. Abortion isn’t the only issue fueling those trends.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Your boy Majewski is running again :lol

How much is he beating Kaptur by this time?

He won't win the primary this time.

Majewski, especially after his double-digit loss in a pink seat, needs to do the MTG strategy of waiting for a safe red seat to open up and run for that. He isn't winning a purple seat that really should be pink not purple but Kaptur being a 42 year incumbent makes it purple.

The Ohio pro-MAGA GOP leadership i.e. Jordan, Vance et al. won't let Majewski win another primary for OH-09. It's a rust belt district with an older patriotic population but they don't want to lose their social security or medicare. You have to run a likeable populist who's socially moderate and economically right of moderate but is pro social security and medicare. But most importantly you have to run someone experienced, and Majewski just isn't that. And having an "L" under his belt added to that just makes him the wrong candidate for that position.



The democracy stuff is also every bit as much of a boon with suburban voters as abortion is.

All of the election deniers who ran statewide in purple states not only lost but underperformed terribly. The guys who weren’t outright election deniers but flirters with election denial also performed terribly (Masters).

Just look at Wisconsin. Even a lot of ancestral Republican voters in Waukesha county are sick of Robin Vos rigging the maps so Republicans can’t lose and then doing fuck all with his majority to actually help the state.

Obama got 32% of the Waukesha vote in 2012 and Justice Janet got 42% last week. Abortion isn’t the only issue fueling those trends.
Waukesha is a bad example though. It's definitely a more moderate GOP area. I know people from there, they're republicans but they pretty much only turn out for presidential elections and in general they don't really care too much about politics or the issues. They're soft voters, sort of like the rural parts of Michigan.

Trump won WI for the first GOP victory there in decades because he won by borderline dictator margins in parts of outstate (north and west), even though he underperformed the generic Scott Walker type of Republicans in the WOW counties. Judge No-Jail Janet P. won because of extremely low GOP turnout outstate. Romney and McCain got killed in WI despite running dictator margins in WOW because they got dicked down pretty much everywhere else in the state.


He’s also ignoring the activist right wing judges who want to ban abortion pills nationally and are citing fetal personhood in their opinions as a legitimate legal theory.

abortion isn’t going away at all anytime soon.
I'm convinced these "right wing" fake GOP judges are trying to fuck with abortion on purpose to help the Dems win and hyperaccelerate the NWO agenda and help China achieve world supremacy faster than their original goal of 2050.

A smart conservative who wants conservatism and MAGA to win elections would just cave on abortion and focus on fighting more winnable battles like the 2A debates, anti-green new deal, anti-big government mandates on individuals, anti-China, anti-immigration, anti-war/anti-involvement in foreign wars (i.e. Ukraine, Libya, Syria, et al.), shutting down crime and the border, pro-energy/pro-onshore drilling, America First labor and manufacturing policy, pro-unions/pro-working class, etc.

[Winehole23]

I'm convinced these "right wing" fake GOP judges are trying to fuck with abortion on purpose to help the Dems win and hyperaccelerate the NWO agenda and help China achieve world supremacy faster than their original goal of 2050.:lmao

The more elegant explanation is that sincere Republican judges have no idea how unpopular their policies are or don't care.

Never attribute to malice what can adequately explained by incompetence and stupidity.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao

The more elegant explanation is that sincere Republican judges have no idea how unpopular their policies are or don't care.

Never attribute to malice what can adequately explained by incompetence and stupidity.

The more accurate explanation are that these "sincere Republican" judges are just moles put in place by the Dem / Uniparty BigDonor machine, which starts and ends with the Soros family. Where the Rothschilds started the Soros have been out to finish and have been mighty efficient so far.

Just like the human-bioengineered coronavirus in the lab was totally "incompetence and stupidity" rather than malicious intelligent design. The goals of such obviously concocted plot were to (a) get rid of Trump [as he was/is an existential threat to the NWO/CCP agenda], (b) create world chaos [not just covid itself, but look at the summer 2020 riots], (c) increase government control over the masses [look at the shutdowns/mask/vax mandates] and (d) increase China's control and superiority long term over the First World and USA [look towards the recent de-dollarization and the rise of the yuan].

[Winehole23]

You ok?

[Will Hunting]

Waukesha is a bad example though. It's definitely a more moderate GOP area. I know people from there, they're republicans but they pretty much only turn out for presidential elections and in general they don't really care too much about politics or the issues. They're soft voters, sort of like the rural parts of Michigan.
:lmao what in the ever loving fuck are you talking about? Waukesha and Ozaukee County had higher turnout in the state supreme court election than any county other than Dane; they're the highest propensity Republican voters in the state.


Trump won WI for the first GOP victory there in decades because he won by borderline dictator margins in parts of outstate (north and west), even though he underperformed the generic Scott Walker type of Republicans in the WOW counties. Judge No-Jail Janet P. won because of extremely low GOP turnout outstate. Romney and McCain got killed in WI despite running dictator margins in WOW because they got dicked down pretty much everywhere else in the state.
Trump got less votes in 2016 than Romney got in 2012; he won purely due to anemic enthusiasm for Hillary & he also got lucky because of how far the rural areas had shifted right by then while the suburbs hadn't really begun their hard shift left in 2016.

Justice Janet won both on persuasion and turnout. She got 42% in Waukesha and 48% in Ozaukee. That's got jack shit to do with rural turnout, those are simply unprecedented numbers for a Dem in Wisconsin.


I'm convinced these "right wing" fake GOP judges are trying to fuck with abortion on purpose to help the Dems win and hyperaccelerate the NWO agenda and help China achieve world supremacy faster than their original goal of 2050.
:lmao holy shit what a cope. The judge who authored the abortion pill ban last Friday is a federalist society member who spent 5 years of his career as a Christian Activist lawyer. His confirmation was a literal party line vote except Susan Collins voted against confirmation. Even Sinema and Manchin voted against him. He's like the ultimate right wing judge.


A smart conservative who wants conservatism and MAGA to win elections would just cave on abortion and focus on fighting more winnable battles like the 2A debates, anti-green new deal, anti-big government mandates on individuals, anti-China, anti-immigration, anti-war/anti-involvement in foreign wars (i.e. Ukraine, Libya, Syria, et al.), shutting down crime and the border, pro-energy/pro-onshore drilling, America First labor and manufacturing policy, pro-unions/pro-working class, etc.
:lmao pro-unions? What planet are you living on? Every time the GOP wins a trifecta in a state right-to-work legislation is at the top of its agenda. The GOP prides itself on its visceral hatred towards unions and labor rights.

:lol leaving off Iraq when you're listing foreign wars we shouldn't be involved with

[ElNono]

Roe reversal makes abortion a State's Rights / 10th Amendment issue.

It's over in a lot of states, including swing states like Michigan. Michigan passed the right to abortion as a state constitutional amendment via Proposition 3 in 2022, which is a >55% majority issue as Michigan is a libertarian state (they also have some of the most lax gun control in the USA despite carrying the burden of having Detroit, while Illinois has some of the tightest gun control having a similar but bigger type of high crime city in Chicago). Also, legal cannabis / THC (close to a 70/30 issue especially in a libertarianish state like Michigan) passed on the same ticket as Whitmer and Stabenow in '18. The Dems literally have practically nothing else to run that's not a 50/50 or worse issue on in that state.

The Dems are rapidly running out of issues to run on that aren't highly controversial or impede peoples' freedoms and lives more than they help them. Abortion, legal cannabis... legal gay marriage has been federal since 2015. If abortion is legal everywhere and the Dems make their campaign about gun control and green eco-fascism, they will lose.

You're miscalculating again. Abortion isn't the issue, it's Anti-abortion that's strictly a right issue. Anything center and left is overwhelmingly not onboard with the continued conservatard anti-abortion push, and it's not going away merely because this is now a state's issue.
It especially isn't when state courts now want to invalidate things like abortion pills federally.

[Will Hunting]

You're miscalculating again. Abortion isn't the issue, it's Anti-abortion that's strictly a right issue. Anything center and left is overwhelmingly not onboard with the continued conservatard anti-abortion push, and it's not going away merely because this is now a state's issue.
It especially isn't when state courts now want to invalidate things like abortion pills federally.
There’s also Republican senators like Lindsey Graham proposing federal bans and restrictions.

The GOP and all of its affiliated Christian nationalist groups have made it pretty clear that their end game is a federal ban on abortion & birth control with substantive due process being completely overturned.

[Will Hunting]

:lol

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[Will Hunting]

:lmao “guise pa pa please stop endorsing daddy Trump :cry”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/13/desantis-florida-stop-endorsing-trump

[Will Hunting]

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[Winehole23]

The six week limitation makes the exceptions well nigh unusable. Functionally, it's a total ban.

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[Will Hunting]

God they are cooking

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[hitmanyr2k]

Yeah, Ron just tanked his aspirations of being President with that move. With Trump's legal troubles and DeSantis sabotaging his own campaign the GOP primaries is going to be very entertaining. Other Republicans are probably thinking their chances have increased.

[Will Hunting]

Ron when his wife's boyfriend brings over Totino's pizza rolls for the weekend:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtnuBAWX0CsTkDf?format=jpg&name=large

[Winehole23]

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[ChumpDumper]

Ron when his wife's boyfriend brings over Totino's pizza rolls for the weekend:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FtnuBAWX0CsTkDf?format=jpg&name=large

Basically every picture of him needs to have pudding photoshopped onto his fingers.

[Winehole23]

Basically every picture of him needs to have pudding photoshopped onto his fingers.

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[Winehole23]

Noted politcal journal People Magazine reports on the new six week abortion ban in Florida


A poll in February done by the University of North Florida found that 75% of the state's residents either somewhat or strongly opposed the six-week ban — including 61% of Republicans.https://people.com/health/rape-incest-victims-must-show-proof-to-get-exception-to-floridas-new-abortion-ban/

[Will Hunting]

Noted politcal journal People Magazine reports on the new six week abortion ban in Florida

https://people.com/health/rape-incest-victims-must-show-proof-to-get-exception-to-floridas-new-abortion-ban/
It’s effectively an outright ban. Florida requires 2 Dr appointments before you can get an abortion.

Good luck discovering you’re pregnant, having two Dr appointments, and then procuring the actual abortion pill (that’s now no longer available by mail) all in 6 weeks after conception.

[Winehole23]

It’s effectively an outright ban. Florida requires 2 Dr appointments before you can get an abortion.

Good luck discovering you’re pregnant, having two Dr appointments, and then procuring the actual abortion pill (that’s now no longer available by mail) all in 6 weeks after conception.Ditto for the exceptions, good luck presenting legal proof of rape or incest within the limitation.

Minor point on the abortion pill: Alito just stayed the Kacsmaryk decision, so it won't go into effect tonight.

[CosmicCowboy]

It's really depressing to think 2024 could be Biden and Trump again.

[ChumpDumper]

It's really depressing to think 2024 could be Biden and Trump again.

Were you all ready to vote for Puddingfinger?

[Millennial_Messiah]

It’s effectively an outright ban. Florida requires 2 Dr appointments before you can get an abortion.

Good luck discovering you’re pregnant, having two Dr appointments, and then procuring the actual abortion pill (that’s now no longer available by mail) all in 6 weeks after conception.

Ditto for the exceptions, good luck presenting legal proof of rape or incest within the limitation.

Minor point on the abortion pill: Alito just stayed the Kacsmaryk decision, so it won't go into effect tonight.

Drive to North Carolina, it's the nearest pro choice state... but if Mark Robinson wins governor next year then I believe Virginia would be the next choice. The critical thing will be the Virginia state legislature elections this year... if the GOP gets a majority beyond a couple heads in VA while Youngkin is still governor, then the nearest place to get an abortion if you live in Florida would be DC and/or Maryland.... wild.

If you can't afford to drive or fly there then you can always catch the Megabus or Greyhound.

Also, PP still operates in states where abortion is banned, and provides the young women / young couples of those states who need an abortion generally the financial resources to go out of state to the nearest out-of-state abortion clinic. They will provide generally flights, not just bus tickets, unless it's a border state... plus a week reimbursement in hotels and meals. If it's just across the border they'll pay for the Uber/Lyft. The possibilities are endless.

[ChumpDumper]

Drive to North Carolina, it's the nearest pro choice state... but if Mark Robinson wins governor next year then I believe Virginia would be the next choice. The critical thing will be the Virginia state legislature elections this year... if the GOP gets a majority beyond a couple heads in VA while Youngkin is still governor, then the nearest place to get an abortion if you live in Florida would be DC and/or Maryland.... wild.

If you can't afford to drive or fly there then you can always catch the Megabus or Greyhound.

Also, PP still operates in states where abortion is banned, and provides the young women / young couples of those states who need an abortion generally the financial resources to go out of state to the nearest out-of-state abortion clinic. They will provide generally flights, not just bus tickets, unless it's a border state... plus a week reimbursement in hotels and meals. If it's just across the border they'll pay for the Uber/Lyft. The possibilities are endless.

Where did you get all this information about Planned Parenthood?

[Millennial_Messiah]

Where did you get all this information about Planned Parenthood?

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-center-for-choice/texas-abortion-laws

The first paragraph gives an overview of amenities that are offered. PP is well funded with a lot of big money donations + federal tax dollars left over from the Obama regime.

I remember going into a PP once in downtown Louisville KY in early March 2020, just before going back to Texas for covid. Just to stop by and ask people that run the place some questions. They gave some interesting answers there. Pretty thought provoking if you ask me. Of course there were the typical handful of religious old ladies outside with signs protesting the existence of the PP building which honestly, they ought to get a life if you ask me. But whatever.

I've never had to use PP but the one time where it would have been relevant for me I would have done it in a heartbeat. The problem is that while I'm pro-choice, the female I impregnated was pro-life and unfortunately the little rat in there made it to full term & that's kinda been dragging my life down like as if you've ever watched The Details movie on Netflix then you'd understand. Unfortunately I didn't have a guy friend to whom I donated a kidney who would be willing to provide abortion by bow and arrow.

I have had to go make late night Plan B runs a shitload of times, which has probably saved me a shitload in child support type drama though over the years. Nowadays I just stick to dating chicks who take regular birth control. I stopped feeling any pleasure with a condom by age 21 so ergo I don't use condoms.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Also, I'm officially terminating my support and revoking my endorsement for Ron DeSantis for next year's president, on this here day, April the fourteenth, two-thousand twenty-three.

I'm endorsing Democrat RFKennedy Jr., not that he has a shot in hell to beat out dumb old Biden in the primary.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/planned-parenthood-center-for-choice/texas-abortion-laws

The first paragraph gives an overview of amenities that are offered. PP is well funded with a lot of big money donations + federal tax dollars left over from the Obama regime.

I remember going into a PP once in downtown Louisville KY in early March 2020, just before going back to Texas for covid. Just to stop by and ask people that run the place some questions. They gave some interesting answers there. Pretty thought provoking if you ask me. Of course there were the typical handful of religious old ladies outside with signs protesting the existence of the PP building which honestly, they ought to get a life if you ask me. But whatever.

I've never had to use PP but the one time where it would have been relevant for me I would have done it in a heartbeat. The problem is that while I'm pro-choice, the female I impregnated was pro-life and unfortunately the little rat in there made it to full term & that's kinda been dragging my life down like as if you've ever watched The Details movie on Netflix then you'd understand. Unfortunately I didn't have a guy friend to whom I donated a kidney who would be willing to provide abortion by bow and arrow.

I have had to go make late night Plan B runs a shitload of times, which has probably saved me a shitload in child support type drama though over the years. Nowadays I just stick to dating chicks who take regular birth control. I stopped feeling any pleasure with a condom by age 21 so ergo I don't use condoms.

PP did not say they will provide these "amenities."

[Winehole23]

Also, I'm officially terminating my support and revoking my endorsement for Ron DeSantis for next year's president, on this here day, April the fourteenth, two-thousand twenty-three.

I'm endorsing Democrat RFKennedy Jr., not that he has a shot in hell to beat out dumb old Biden in the primary.who will you vote for in the general election?

[Millennial_Messiah]

who will you vote for in the general election?

most likely just sit out, like 2014, 2016, 2018, 2020, and 2022

last time I voted at all, the guy at the top of the ticket I voted for not only lost but turned out to be one the filthiest benedict arnold level turncoats in political history.

Voting and me just vibes about as well as boiling oil and cold water


PP did not say they will provide these "amenities."
Yes they do... all you have to do is go to your nearest PP and talk to a representative

[ChumpDumper]

Yes they do... all you have to do is go to your nearest PP and talk to a representativeThat is not what they the link you provided said.

[Millennial_Messiah]

That is not what they the link you provided said.
realistically, PP and abortion should be legal in all 50 states.

There's just no logic to what the GOP is trying to argue especially since we are and should be against freeloading / welfare. Rather spend $300 now or $250k+ on freeloading if these parents can't afford shit and we're not legally allowed to let the babies die once they're born if their parents are broke and in and out of prison? It makes zero financial sense from a conservative perspective to be anti-abortion.

The religious nutjobs are just so punchable sometimes. They drag our party down like the AOC's and gangsters and illegals drag down the Democrat party.

[ChumpDumper]

realistically, PP and abortion should be legal in all 50 states.

There's just no logic to what the GOP is trying to argue especially since we are and should be against freeloading / welfare. Rather spend $300 now or $250k+ on freeloading if these parents can't afford shit and we're not legally allowed to let the babies die once they're born if their parents are broke and in and out of prison? It makes zero financial sense from a conservative perspective to be anti-abortion.

The religious nutjobs are just so punchable sometimes. They drag our party down like the AOC's and gangsters and illegals drag down the Democrat party.

The thing is Republicans aren't against welfare as long as it's Republicans who are receiving it.

[scott]

Man, ever since about 2008, whenever you hear someone proclaim they are a libertarian, you know you’re about to get told some of the stupidest bullshit you’ve heard in awhile.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Man, ever since about 2008, whenever you hear someone proclaim they are a libertarian, you know you’re about to get told some of the stupidest bullshit you’ve heard in awhile.

Ya like my post upstairs about Mar-Buried?? https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301778&p=10883931#post10883931
Your join date is April 2003 and that's probably what I remember most from that month... even though we ultimately won that series.

It was the most difficult Suns team we ever faced in the Duncan era, even counting the 2000 and 2010 teams that beat us (2000 was an * because no Duncan and 2010 the Spurs were just lacking talent around the big 3)

Next up, ChumpDumper (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=153) and a thread about the miracle of finally overcoming the Lakers after 3 years of them owning us

[ChumpDumper]

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[Ef-man]

Drive to North Carolina, it's the nearest pro choice state... but if Mark Robinson wins governor next year then I believe Virginia would be the next choice. The critical thing will be the Virginia state legislature elections this year... if the GOP gets a majority beyond a couple heads in VA while Youngkin is still governor, then the nearest place to get an abortion if you live in Florida would be DC and/or Maryland.... wild.

If you can't afford to drive or fly there then you can always catch the Megabus or Greyhound.

Also, PP still operates in states where abortion is banned, and provides the young women / young couples of those states who need an abortion generally the financial resources to go out of state to the nearest out-of-state abortion clinic. They will provide generally flights, not just bus tickets, unless it's a border state... plus a week reimbursement in hotels and meals. If it's just across the border they'll pay for the Uber/Lyft. The possibilities are endless.

"If"

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

"If"

:lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao


Why so funny?
It's not a sure thing that Youngkin will get his state legislative majority in both chambers, which would be needed to enact the vaunted abortion ban in VA. It's still a purple leaning blue state and it's a 4th circuit state which is much more moderate on that particular issue as it carries red, blue, and purple states. Also, given that Dems overperformed in 2022 and already thus far in 2023, it's not a sure thing that VA Dems don't hold this fall and -for perspective- it's also not a sure thing that Andy Beshear (pro-choice Democrat governor) loses despite the fact KY is nearly Trump + 30.

It's also not a sure thing the GOP wins the NC governorship next year even though the state will inevitably go red at the presidential level and after the courts and state leg redraw the maps (Cooper can't veto), the GOP will win some US house seats in NC, but the governor's mansion is far from certain. Cooper's favorability rating is surprisingly high for a red/pink state. Cooper is term limited, but he'll have a strong endorsement power of the next Democrat candidate, sort of like how PA's Tom Wolf did of Josh Shapiro.



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Trump hasn't used Twitter since early January 2021. I fact-checked your post and, no, he actually didn't tweet that:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump



(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)

[Winehole23]

Might be a screen cap of a Truth Social post, did you check there?

[ChumpDumper]

Trump hasn't used Twitter since early January 2021. I fact-checked your post and, no, he actually didn't tweet that:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump



(https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump)N:lol, he didn't tweet that.


Might be a screen cap of a Truth Social post, did you check there?

https://media.tenor.com/dp_hQBGT0rIAAAAC/think-smart.gif

[Splits]

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[Winehole23]

lol

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[Millennial_Messiah]

lol

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Desantis blew his chance.

His best opportunity was to announce his bid months ago, ideally before Trump did, and best spot would have been during his victory speech after he won re-election by 19.6% in early November 2022.

He just waited too long.

That's it and that's all.

[Winehole23]

Desantis blew his chance.

His best opportunity was to announce his bid months ago, ideally before Trump did, and best spot would have been during his victory speech after he won re-election by 19.6% in early November 2022.

He just waited too long.

That's it and that's all.you bought a lemon.

MAGA is the GOP mainstream and Trump is the supremo.

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[ChumpDumper]

Desantis blew his chance.

His best opportunity was to announce his bid months ago, ideally before Trump did, and best spot would have been during his victory speech after he won re-election by 19.6% in early November 2022.

He just waited too long.

That's it and that's all.

There was no way Meatball Ron would have avoided being steamrolled by Trump. All the shtick Trump used on Ron existed long before he could have announced a candidacy.

[Trainwreck2100]

Desantis blew his chance.

His best opportunity was to announce his bid months ago, ideally before Trump did, and best spot would have been during his victory speech after he won re-election by 19.6% in early November 2022.

He just waited too long.

That's it and that's all.

he couldn't announce early florida has a resign to run law

[Hank Scorpio]

*

[Millennial_Messiah]

he couldn't announce early florida has a resign to run law

In which case... and honestly in any case... he's best off running in 2028. He'd be a clear favorite not just for the primary but for the general especially if Biden beats Trump again.

The GOP would have a solid senate majority by then and probably have the house too. Desantis would likely be a two term president because he's not polarizing like Trump.

[Winehole23]

lol no

[Ef-man]

lol no

His shit predictions do not age well. :lol

At least ducks is just natural idiot, this guy works hard at being an idiot.

[Winehole23]

the DeSantis bid imploded before it was ever announced, so now he's backing an anti-vaxxer propelled by Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn and Roger Stone. the idea is that it will peel off Biden voters, because RFK Jr. is nominally a Democrat.

it's pure wishcasting. M_M thinks the thinks the things he wants to be real are real.

[Millennial_Messiah]

the DeSantis bid imploded before it was ever announced, so now he's backing an anti-vaxxer propelled by Steve Bannon, Mike Flynn and Roger Stone. the idea is that it will peel off Biden voters, because RFK Jr. is nominally a Democrat.

it's pure wishcasting. M_M thinks the thinks the things he wants to be real are real.

He should definitely run third party as an independent progressive and campaign hard in the black areas because the blacks are Democrat voters who generally are against the covid jab.

Let's see who wins the swing states if RFK Jr peels off half the black Democrat vote even if he gets less than 2% of the other Democrat vote.

[ChumpDumper]

He should definitely run third party as an independent progressive and campaign hard in the black areas because the blacks are Democrat voters who generally are against the covid jab.

Let's see who wins the swing states if RFK Jr peels off half the black Democrat vote even if he gets less than 2% of the other Democrat vote.

You're already spending millions on No Labels. It's really the only way your Trump can win again.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You're already spending millions on No Labels. It's really the only way your Trump can win again.

The only way Trump wins is (a) the party unites around him pretty quickly and in 2023, and (b) the economy and/or inflation gets worse again... otherwise in a Trump/Biden H2H the electoral map will be nearly the same or identical to 2020. I'm definitely not as confident for the GOP re-taking Wisconsin as before. I think they finally pull Nevada and win the senate seat there. I think Trump loses AZ again but the GOP picks up the Senate seat narrowly due to it being a three-way race. Trump will lose Georgia but this time by closer to 3.0% than 0.3%. Don't think MI or PA are even really razor thin margins in Biden's favor and the Dems win in the senate there especially with Casey in PA. I'm pretty confident that Tester/Manchin/Sherrod all get the axe, especially with Daines now running the senate who's proven to be competent unlike Mitch.

[Will Hunting]

You're already spending millions on No Labels. It's really the only way your Trump can win again.
No Labels committed fraud and might not even be able to stay on the ballot in Arizona :lol

[Will Hunting]

:lol my god is he a terrible speaker

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[Millennial_Messiah]

You're already spending millions on No Labels. It's really the only way your Trump can win again.
No Labels committed fraud and might not even be able to stay on the ballot in Arizona :lol



They're only on the ballot in 1 swing state and 2 deep blue states

[Hank Scorpio]

He should definitely run third party as an independent progressive and campaign hard in the black areas because the blacks are Democrat voters who generally are against the covid jab.

Let's see who wins the swing states if RFK Jr peels off half the black Democrat vote even if he gets less than 2% of the other Democrat vote.

:lol:lol

[Hank Scorpio]

:lol my god is he a terrible speaker

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This guy on a debate stage with Trump :lol

[ChumpDumper]

:lol my god is he a terrible speaker

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Learned from the best!

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[Winehole23]

Bobblehead DeSantis just dropped

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[Winehole23]

If the data don't back up the hypothesis, ignore the data and make shit up.

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[ChumpDumper]

Bobblehead DeSantis just dropped

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Jesus, just leaving the door open to be cucked this badly screams this guy isn't ready for prime time.

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[Big Empty]

Woke means n$&$&&r to the right.

[Winehole23]

the DeSantis democide

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

So our choices this year are going to be Biden Kennedy Trump and this tool. Go America!

[Winehole23]

he couldn't announce early florida has a resign to run lawhome cooking to the rescue

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[Millennial_Messiah]

home cooking to the rescue

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that's literally the only reason he didn't announce in November 2022. He jumps into the race now and he'll be edging out Trump in the polls by mid summer this year.



If the data don't back up the hypothesis, ignore the data and make shit up.

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Cope and seethe and just embrace the bitter truth that you voluntarily shortened the lifespan of your ticker by voluntarily getting a government-pushed poison jab. :lol

[ChumpDumper]

that's literally the only reason he didn't announce in November 2022. He jumps into the race now and he'll be edging out Trump in the polls by mid summer this year.:lol no.

Rabbi Glickman doesn't have the chops.




Cope and seethe and just embrace the bitter truth that you voluntarily shortened the lifespan of your ticker by voluntarily getting a government-pushed poison jab. :lol

Getting COVID is worse on your heart.

Cope and seethe.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Getting COVID is worse on your heart.

Cope and seethe.
Maybe you could argue for Alpha but even then probably not in young people under 45 or so. Delta even less of a case, and I had omicron in Dec 2021-Jan 2022 and I'm as healthy as I was if not healthier before it. Yeah, it was a shitty couple weeks, but after taking hydroxychloroquine and azithroymycin, I was just fine.

Proudly a Pureblood here :tu , unvaccinated but fully protected. My gun collection is bigger than yours.