Spurs '22 Free Agency Thread

[TD 21]

Locks or more than likely to return: Murray, White, Poeltl, Johnson, McDermott, Vassell, Collins, Primo, Jones, Bates-Diop.

Could go either way: Hernangomez (lock to be waived; could be re-signed at commensurate salary), Eubanks, Landale, Wieskamp, Cacok. Their fate is likely heavily dependent on the draft.

Locks or unlikely to return: Young, Walker IV (restricted).

Players I could see them targeting: Knox II (restricted; unlikely to receive qualifying offer), Finney-Smith, Warren, Anderson, Connaughton (player option; likely to decline), Portis (player option; likely to decline), Prince, Smith. Obviously, also likely heavily dependent on the draft.

[Robz4000]

Could absolutely see the Spurs bring back Fathead if they don't draft or trade for a PF tbh.

[Dejounte]

I’m so happy there aren’t any borderline max players this offseason like John Collins last year so we don’t have to debate endlessly about a player on if they’re worth the max or not. The guys this offseason either clearly are or they’re clearly not. And I will laugh at any team who throws the max at a player who clearly isn’t worth the max (Bridges, for example).

[tonight...you]

Could absolutely see the Spurs bring back Fathead if they don't draft or trade for a PF tbh.
Prepare for The Return Of spursgirl

[R. DeMurre]

A serious case of bad luck for the Spurs to have all of that cap space this summer and few major or appealing free agents. The only guys I really see at this point would be bench guys like Chris Boucher and Isaiah Hartenstein, who I think would help by taking away some of the vastly negative minutes of McDermott and Eubanks.

[tbdog]

Signing good role players even at a slightly overprice, isn't necessarily a bad thing. For example, Heat have continuously over paid their role players until Butler knocked on their door. They had no cap and signed butler on a max. Because good role players are still wanted.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If they plan to trade Poeltl at some point I'd like them to go after Thomas Bryant from Washington.

[KingKev]

Mo Bamba RFA. Really starting to get his stride after playing in a crowded front court his first few years (Gordon, Vucevic, Issac).

Magic are pretty deep up front with:

- Wendell Carter Jr, signed a 4yr 50mm extension last off-season
- Jonathon Issac, started a 4yr 70mm contract this year. Between injury history, that contract and off court antics Magic have no choice but to play him as he is untradeable at this point
- Franz Wagner, can play some 4 as needed.
- They’ll have a top 5 pick in a draft with 3 bigs projected to go top 5 in Blanchero, Holmgren and Smith

Mo Bamba could be the odd man out in Orlando as he is an RFA. His 3pt stroke has looked nice this year, 7 footer with a 7’10 wing span all the fundamentals to be a defensive anchor and offers more than Jak on the offensive end.

4yrs 60mm would be a good starting point I think.

[bluebellmaniac]

I think you gotta wait for the trade deadline to see what our needs will be and then look at free agents. We might hold pat, or a couple trades could happen. That'd really shake up our primary needs.

[exstatic]

Mo Bamba RFA. Really starting to get his stride after playing in a crowded front court his first few years (Gordon, Vucevic, Issac).

Magic are pretty deep up front with:

- Wendell Carter Jr, signed a 4yr 50mm extension last off-season
- Jonathon Issac, started a 4yr 70mm contract this year. Between injury history, that contract and off court antics Magic have no choice but to play him as he is untradeable at this point
- Franz Wagner, can play some 4 as needed.
- They’ll have a top 5 pick in a draft with 3 bigs projected to go top 5 in Blanchero, Holmgren and Smith

Mo Bamba could be the odd man out in Orlando as he is an RFA. His 3pt stroke has looked nice this year, 7 footer with a 7’10 wing span all the fundamentals to be a defensive anchor and offers more than Jak on the offensive end.

4yrs 60mm would be a good starting point I think.

Magic EASILY match that, thank us, and trade him later to rebalance their roster.

[KingKev]

Magic EASILY match that, thank us, and trade him later to rebalance their roster.

I’m sure he will get multiple offers so us lowballing doesn’t guarantee them anything. I think 15-20mm a year is the price that clears the market.

[szkorhetz]

A serious case of bad luck for the Spurs to have all of that cap space this summer and few major or appealing free agents. The only guys I really see at this point would be bench guys like Chris Boucher and Isaiah Hartenstein, who I think would help by taking away some of the vastly negative minutes of McDermott and Eubanks.
Sign Boucher and Anderson and call it an offseason.

[KingKev]

Sign Boucher and Anderson and call it an offseason.

That would be a terrible off-season but it wouldn’t surprise me.

[Fusternino]

Bobby Portis?

[exstatic]

Bobby Portis?

Not Spursy. I’d be surprised if there were even mild interest in a guy who hospitalized a team mate.

[RC_Drunkford]

Jalen Smith or Chris Boucher as back up 4
Sekou Doumbouya as a project
Tyus Jones if the Spurs decide to trade White

and maybe Colin Sexton? I gotta be honest I don’t know anything about him, but he‘s young and puts up good numbers and Cleveland doesn‘t want to resign him

[mo7888]

Jalen Smith or Chris Boucher as back up 4
Sekou Doumbouya as a project
Tyus Jones if the Spurs decide to trade White

and maybe Colin Sexton? I gotta be honest I don’t know anything about him, but he‘s young and puts up good numbers and Cleveland doesn‘t want to resign him

In a market with limited cap space the market for Sexton coming off of injury bears watching. I could see his fit beside DJ honestly. I'm not sure if it's the best use of resources but, it might be...

[CGD]

I’m in the rent capspace for asset camp.

For example (and only example), what would WAS give us this summer for Bert’s admittedly nasty contract year, which will have 2 years (and a partially guaranteed 3rd year at 5M) at that point?

[KingKev]

Jalen Smith or Chris Boucher as back up 4
Sekou Doumbouya as a project
Tyus Jones if the Spurs decide to trade White

and maybe Colin Sexton? I gotta be honest I don’t know anything about him, but he‘s young and puts up good numbers and Cleveland doesn‘t want to resign him

Why suggest a player you know nothing about?

[RC_Drunkford]

Why suggest a player you know nothing about?

read my last sentence again and you might find out

[RC_Drunkford]

Why suggest a player you know nothing about?

read my last sentence again and you might find out

[John B]

In a market with limited cap space the market for Sexton coming off of injury bears watching. I could see his fit beside DJ honestly. I'm not sure if it's the best use of resources but, it might be...

Hey Spurs likes rehabilitating players, Gay, Zollins and Sexton. There you go. Great upside if they can find a way to get him.

[pad300]

IF I were in charge of the FO, I would seriously consider putting a max in front of Ayton at 12:01... Either PHO matches (giving them horrible cap issues) or they don't and we get him (and he's likely worth the max we'd be putting in front of him). They only have 2 days to match now, so it's not that big of a deal to tie up our cap-space.

[John B]

IF I were in charge of the FO, I would seriously consider putting a max in front of Ayton at 12:01... Either PHO matches (giving them horrible cap issues) or they don't and we get him (and he's likely worth the max we'd be putting in front of him). They only have 2 days to match now, so it's not that big of a deal to tie up our cap-space.

I don't think FA is open yet. That will be tampering.

[R. DeMurre]

I don't see any reason to think about Sexton, a 6'1" guard who will want to start somewhere. He's not better than Murray, and teams almost never find success with starting 6'1" shooting guards.

[exstatic]

IF I were in charge of the FO, I would seriously consider putting a max in front of Ayton at 12:01... Either PHO matches (giving them horrible cap issues) or they don't and we get him (and he's likely worth the max we'd be putting in front of him). They only have 2 days to match now, so it's not that big of a deal to tie up our cap-space.


The problem is, they're a sure thing to match, and they’ll then be pissed off, and not rent our cap space for Saric. We can get some sort of asset for the rental, he’ll be well and healed and ready to play, and we can flip him for another asset at the deadline. We can play both ends like OKC, but not if we piss them off.

[poopbox]

If its not a center or a power forward we don't need it. We can't even play all our guards as it is let alone signing some in free agency.

[pad300]

The problem is, they're a sure thing to match, and they’ll then be pissed off, and not rent our cap space for Saric. We can get some sort of asset for the rental, he’ll be well and healed and ready to play, and we can flip him for another asset at the deadline. We can play both ends like OKC, but not if we piss them off.

Obviously, I am not as sure as you are that they will match... Also, even if they get PO'ed and don't want to deal with us after, there are plenty of other teams we can rent the cap-space to. Cap space is of very limited use if you won't try to make a play when you have it. Ayton is pretty much the only guy this FA that fits the combo of a) we could potentially get and b) is actually worth putting a max in front of. If you don't try, you will never succeed.

[LeBowen]

A lot of people don't want Collins because he's overpaid, even though he'd be a perfect fit, but they'd offer $200 million to Ayton even though his range isn't much better than Jakob's.

Amazing.

[Leetonidas]

25 million for a staring level, possible all star potential PF is not that bad at all. People act like the cap is still 60 million:lol

[exstatic]

Obviously, I am not as sure as you are that they will match... Also, even if they get PO'ed and don't want to deal with us after, there are plenty of other teams we can rent the cap-space to. Cap space is of very limited use if you won't try to make a play when you have it. Ayton is pretty much the only guy this FA that fits the combo of a) we could potentially get and b) is actually worth putting a max in front of. If you don't try, you will never succeed.

You’re kind of in denial, then. They’re not going to let him go for nothing. Even if they don’t want to pay him long term, they’ll match, and then explore trades over the next year or so.

Trade for Saric, play him next season because he will be healthy, leverage assets on both ends of the deal by flipping him at the deadline next year, and pick their pocket of Jalen Smith.

You can even pressure them into a Saric trade, because it clogs a chunk of our cap room, ending the possibility of one team dropping an offer on Ayton. Might even get a better asset.

[TD 21]

- Hartenstein only makes sense if they bend over for the Raptors again (Poeltl). Otherwise, the backup C's should at least have a modicum of stretch.

- Bryant would fit that mold, but I don't see any reason to pay him more than Collins, when they've already got the latter signed. Ditto for Boucher, who's 29.

- Portis has changed his reputation in recent years, though the Budenholzer intel would obviously have to play a role.

- Bamba probably could be had, but no way is he getting 4/$60M. Williams, Carter Jr., Holmes, Gafford are all better and have all recently inked extensions for significantly less.

[KingKev]

You’re kind of in denial, then. They’re not going to let him go for nothing. Even if they don’t want to pay him long term, they’ll match, and then explore trades over the next year or so.

Trade for Saric, play him next season because he will be healthy, leverage assets on both ends of the deal by flipping him at the deadline next year, and pick their pocket of Jalen Smith.

You can even pressure them into a Saric trade, because it clogs a chunk of our cap room, ending the possibility of one team dropping an offer on Ayton. Might even get a better asset.

Why are you so obsessed/convinced we can rent cap for a first and Saric? There are a many hypothetical opportunities to rent cap space; that just is one of them.

[exstatic]

Why are you so obsessed/convinced we can rent cap for a first and Saric? There are a many hypothetical opportunities to rent cap space; that just is one of them.

Because he’s now USEFUL. As of next season, he’ll be able to play, and if you haven’t noticed, after Poeltl, our centers and PFs either suck, or are undersized. Rental AND a function. Most of the time, rentals are like Aminu or Hutchinson, someone who is useless, and you cut them. We probably can’t get a first for the rental, but we can make that up on the back end by flipping him at the deadline next year. If he plays well, we might pull a first on the back end.

Phoenix doesn’t WANT to get rid of him, they just won’t be able to afford him after Ayton gets paid. They were trying to offload him this season, but he was out for the year, and they couldn’t find any takers for a dead roster spot.

The best part is that he only makes $9.6M. Plenty of other cap room to rent or use.

[BackHome]

The Free agent class kinda sucks so will probably have to pay a lot for one year rentals -

[exstatic]

The Free agent class kinda sucks so will probably have to pay a lot for one year rentals -

There are always teams wanting or even badly needing to get under the tax that will pay YOU to take a one year contract that may cost them 3X face value because of the tax.

[Dejounte]

Q: What calls did you get from people in Seattle that stuck out?

Obviously the Jamal Crawford one, that was big because the whole relationship, the whole story behind me and him, and obviously him being a great and everybody looking up to him in the basketball world and. I think it's big because he's Rainier Beach alum and he's a legend, his name speaks for itself, you know what he's done on and off the floor, and obviously the whole world feels like he should have been an All-Star before for the great career he had. So this is for my community, this is for him. I told him, 'This is for us, you helped mold me into the person I am and on the basketball side,' so, that was a big one, but I think another big one was Zach LaVine. I could just, I could hear how happy he was and he was just like, 'Bro we there. I can't wait to take our picture,' like, just stuff like that. Because me and him are really close, we work out, we talk all the time, so this is huge for the city of Seattle. We've got a lot of up and coming, not just athletes, but everything in general, and this is big for the city.

[TD 21]

Update . . .

Locks or more than likely to return: Murray, Johnson, Vassell, McDermott, Collins, Primo, Langford, Jones, Bates-Diop.

Could go either way: Poeltl, Richardson, Landale, Wieskamp, Cacok.

Locks or unlikely to return: Walker IV (restricted), Satoransky.

[CGD]

The problem is, they're a sure thing to match, and they’ll then be pissed off, and not rent our cap space for Saric. We can get some sort of asset for the rental, he’ll be well and healed and ready to play, and we can flip him for another asset at the deadline. We can play both ends like OKC, but not if we piss them off.

I think it’s noteworthy that the Suns and Indy discussed an Ayton-Sabonis swap at the deadline (probably to start a discussion for the summer). Obviously that possibility is overtaken by events, but I do think PHX has reservation about maxing Ayton even though the smart money is on them doing it in the end.

[exstatic]

I think it’s noteworthy that the Suns and Indy discussed an Ayton-Sabonis swap at the deadline (probably to start a discussion for the summer). Obviously that possibility is overtaken by events, but I do think PHX has reservation about maxing Ayton even though the smart money is on them doing it in the end.

They’re not going to let him go for nothing. They’ll match, and then trade if they’re not comfortable paying him.

They’re not going to let him go for nothing.

They’re not going to let him go for nothing.

[scott]

Every time there is an RFA, this board just makes the assumption that we should extend an offer and when it doesn’t materialize it is assumed we didn’t extend one… but it isn’t just a matter of us extending an offer… the player has to sign it. Isn’t it possible we tried to talk to John Collins last summer but his agent told us thanks but no thanks?

[mo7888]

They’re not going to let him go for nothing. They’ll match, and then trade if they’re not comfortable paying him.

They’re not going to let him go for nothing.

They’re not going to let him go for nothing.

If I were that confident they'd match I'd sign him quickly then....make them match.....my only reservation is I'd be afraid they wouldn't match.... I hate to be stuck with him for the max.... like I said...I'm not as confident as you are that they'd match...

[mo7888]

I have no idea where to put this without starting a new thread but, Wieskamp dropped 30 in Austin tonight...

I put it here because it 'might' effect FA....

[bluebellmaniac]

I have no idea where to put this without starting a new thread but, Wieskamp dropped 30 in Austin tonight...

I put it here because it 'might' effect FA....

affect

[KingKev]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2953829-1-on-1-with-zach-lavine-ive-always-viewed-myself-as-a-top-tier-player

Ideal free agent acquisition but I don’t think there is even a remote possibility.