Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, 2022 First Round Pick and 2028 First Round Pick Swap for Derrick White

[Rocalcio]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1491843928131346438?s=21


Sad to see Derrick leaving :(

[Dejounte]

Holy shit. Brian Daryl Morey Jr Wright

[Mr. Body]

It's a slaughter.

[Seventyniner]

There had better be significant draft compensation. I'm hearing the Spurs are getting a first, but I don't know from which team, which year, or what the protections are.

[Spurs9]

Lets goooo!

[Rocalcio]

There had better be significant draft compensation. I'm hearing the Spurs are getting a first, but I don't know from which team, which year, or what the protections are.

I hope so cause I don’t want to get Richardson alone for Derrick.

[Seventyniner]

I'm watching BasketballNews on Youtube

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I think they said the Spurs are getting Romeo Langford back along with a first, but I might have misheard.

[Mr. Body]

Hate it, no matter the pick. I like White a lot as a person and a player. Despite his struggles, he's a great defender and connecter on offense. He's perfect for the Celtics and I fucking hate the Celtics.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Langford as well and a 1st.

[Spurs9]

Got a 1st rounder back too sheesh

[Dejounte]

2022 protected 1-4 first round pick. The Spurs are loaded with picks

[stnick2261]

What in the absolute hell?! All the trades today is nuts. I'm excited to hear about the details of this. White is good and I'm sad to see him go, hopefully we'll get something sizeable in return

Edit: Looks like we are giving them some financial relief and a good player, and we are getting what is currently the 18th pick? Is Richardson sticking with the team (age 28)?

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[Seventyniner]

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I don't like this. I'd have thought the FO would keep Murray in the loop about trades. Not that he has veto power, but he really shouldn't be surprised by the teardown.

[emanueldavidginobili]

2022 protected 1-4 first round pick. The Spurs are loaded with picks
God damn wow. Also looks like Primo is going to be solidified in the rotation from here on out.

[Dverde]

It’s the Silver and Black wedding :lol.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I don't like this. I'd have thought the FO would keep Murray in the loop about trades. Not that he has veto power, but he really shouldn't be surprised by the teardown.
I agree completely.

[adonis827]

no way! D White is our new age Manu to DJM's Parker. Best of luck D White

[cjw]

I like White but this is the right move 10 times out of 10

He’s injury prone and not a perfect fit with Murray. He’s also getting an average of $17.4 million each of the next three seasons.

Now the books are VERY clean heading into the off-season. You get White’s cap space back too.

[Seventyniner]

Any word on what happens if the Celtics somehow fall out of the playoffs and jump into the top 4 picks?

[timvp]

Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, 2022 first-round pick protected 1-4, for Derrick White


:wow

I like White but I like this trade. I mean, I'm a big fan of White and really enjoy watching him play. But he's closing in on 28, which means his timeline isn't great for a rebuilding team. Getting a first round pick for him is a win. Langford is interesting -- he probably isn't worth much but there might be something there. Richardson has value and could be flipped for even more picks.

[Seventyniner]

Spurs also get first round swap rights with Boston in 2028.

[cd98]

Well know I guess we know who won the Murray vs. White debate, if Murray's season this year wasn't enough.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Lol Primo with the promotion

I'm gonna miss Derrick as a person though.

Wow

[emanueldavidginobili]

Langford 22 years old drafted a couple years ago at 14, interesting.

[Rocalcio]

Thanks for editing my title. :)

[Texas_Ranger]

nice to see getting rid of all the trash. Hope Poeltl and Walker are next.

[szkorhetz]

I dont get this trade.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Sad to see Derrick White go, but it's the type of a trade rebuilding teams do.

He's a perfect fit in Boston, he'll do well there.

[SPURt]

Damn… I loved D White, but… he’s performed well below expectations and is too old to be a part of the rebuild. Turning him into a first round pick is the right move. His value might never be as high as it is right now.

[daslicer]

I like White and think he will be in the league for several more years but I'm not sure if he will ever make the leap necessary to be a star player. He could blossom in Boston since he will be their primary PG but I'm not sure if him and Murray going forward could co-exist long-term playing together.

[Rocalcio]

God damn wow. Also looks like Primo is going to be solidified in the rotation from here on out.

That’s the good consequence indeed, go for it Primo !

[cd98]

Well given that White is 28 and duplicative of Murray and White has been paid, and the Spurs need money for their other young players, I think the trade makes sense, especially for the draft pick. But sad to see White go. He was a great draft pick by the Spurs, a total late round steal and he got them a whole lot in return.

[Rocalcio]

I like White but this is the right move 10 times out of 10

He’s injury prone and not a perfect fit with Murray. He’s also getting an average of $17.4 million each of the next three seasons.

Now the books are VERY clean heading into the off-season. You get White’s cap space back too.

He hasn’t been injured this season.

[timvp]

Spurs also get first round swap rights with Boston in 2028.

Damn. First round pick this year, potential first round swap in 2028, semi interesting prospect in Langford and a positive asset in Richardson? Yeah, I really liked White but a rebuilding team can't say no to that deal. If White were 24, I might hesitate. But closing in on 28? Gotta do it.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I am really saddened to see White go. He was still the best two player we had but his health and inconsistency got in the way of his going the DJM way. The Spurs better get a good player in next year's draft. Or this move will be among the worst that Wright made for a long time.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Boston is going to love Derrick tbh. I'm going to miss him but I like the trade.

[LeBowen]

Should've got more, hopefully the Celtics implode and the pick is good.

But at least Primo and Devin get more minutes.

[jermaine]

I like this. I didn't like white

[8sy21vd]

Great move for Boston. White will add a lot of play making on both ends while taking a lot of ball handling pressure of their two stars. Spurs should have tried for 2FRPs though. They're clearly embarrassing the tank. Poetl has to be next.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Now I can be honest:

His go-to move being taking a charge was embarrassing. That is barely a basketball play.

[cjw]

1.) Draft assets (a first plus a pick swap)
2.) Cap space in summer
3.) Richardson can be swapped for another asset, though can’t be aggregated
4.) Lotto ticket on Langford
5.) Improve Spurs own pick
6.) Open up playing time for Primo and Vassell

White is nice but doesn’t fit this team’s window

[tim_duncan_fan]

Now I can be honest:

His go-to move being taking a charge was embarrassing. That is barely a basketball play.

[Chinook]

Spurs also get first round swap rights with Boston in 2028.

That's a critical piece of value, since it adds potential upside. I still don't like the deal, but I like it more now.

[td4mvp2k]

I like White and think he will be in the league for several more years but I'm not sure if he will ever make the leap necessary to be a star player. He could blossom in Boston since he will be their primary PG but I'm not sure if him and Murray go forward can co-exist long-term playing together.:toast to white winning the chip in beantown

[DesignatedT]

That's a good deal. Wright is doing work.

3 years of nothing and going crazy today. Weird.

[rankingtear]

Fixes logjam maybe 2 good picks and shit ton of space cleared.

[R. DeMurre]

The Spurs must really love some guys in the 2022 draft.

[Robz4000]

Sad to see Derrick White go, but it's the type of a trade rebuilding teams do.

He's a perfect fit in Boston, he'll do well there.

Pretty much this. Good luck in Boston, White :toast.

[Robz4000]

Sad to see Derrick White go, but it's the type of a trade rebuilding teams do.

He's a perfect fit in Boston, he'll do well there.

Pretty much this. Good luck in Boston, White :toast.

[dbestpro]

This is a great deal, and fixes the guard over load. I am surprised we got this much. There are teams that were talking about sending a first round pick for Richardson.

[R. DeMurre]

My first impression is the Spurs are accumulating first round picks to move up in the draft. The Celtic players probably don't even matter.

[Dverde]

Now I can be honest:

His go-to move being taking a charge was embarrassing. That is barely a basketball play.

His other main move was going from active roster to the injury reserve. I like the person, but it was time to move on. We’re actually wasting his career letting him float around here.

[Mugen]

Good for Derrick tbh, always liked that massive forehead.

[Gibbz]

The Spurs must really love some guys in the 2022 draft.

I know I do! I've got several pets in that class, and I dislike quite a few of the guys projected at the top except for Holmgren.

[crc21209]

Good dude, but I honestly feel like he peaked 2 years ago. Every time you think he was turning the corner again he would get hurt, or his play suffered and just wasnt up to par. This year his aggressiveness totally dissapeared. He was passing up open shot after open shot. I like the move stocking picks....

[Seventyniner]

My first impression is the Spurs are accumulating first round picks to move up in the draft. The Celtic players probably don't even matter.

This or the Spurs have done deep work on mid to late first round players this year and have fallen in love with one or more of them.

Richardson was basically salary ballast, and might be flipped to a good team for other ballast and a 2nd or something. Langford is only 22 and has barely-okay advanced stats this year, but his stats from his first two years were pretty bad. Maybe the Spurs can polish him up, maybe not.

[RC_Drunkford]

I much rather would've traded White for an upgrade in the front court, but he had to be traded at some point. The deal ain't that bad. Spurs clear cap space, get a prospect, a first, a pick swap. Josh Richardson is basically 85% of Derrick White at the same age. It's not a huge downgrade.

[MannyIsGod]

I mean I don't think it's horrible but this is my least favorite deal of the day. Spurs needed to move some at that position and it made sense for it to be white but ngl I wish this was better.

[timvp]

So currently the Spurs are on track to have picks 6, 18 and 20 in this draft? Woah. Hopefully the Lakers crash and burn to give the Spurs another pick in the 30s :lol

Best case scenario the Spurs get lucky with lottery balls and move up into the top 4, the Celtics stumble and miss the playoffs so that the Spurs get another lottery pick and the Raptors just barely make the playoffs and give the Spurs a pick in the teens. Damn, Wright swinging for the fences.

If there are no protections on that 2028 pick swap (unlikely), that'd be one hell of a piece going forward. Unprotected first rounders are unheard of these days.

[sananspursfan21]

Great trade overall. Gonna hurt in the immediate but I love that the front office isn’t settling with mediocrity. I’m coming to terms with the Young trade that’s better than it first looked. More minutes now for Primo maybe? Or Tre?

[Mugen]

Should help this season's tank as well. We push out the old man in the offseason and the Spurs future looking a bit brighter again tbh.

[objective]

I don't think it's enough, Boston was desperate for someone to act like a lead guard and they just have to give up a likely pick in the 20s in a crappy draft and a future swap that might never execute?

And White is locked in on a reasonable contract ...

Great work by Brad Stevens.

I am not a fan of this deal at all.

[objective]

I don't think it's enough, Boston was desperate for someone to act like a lead guard and they just have to give up a likely pick in the 20s in a crappy draft and a future swap that might never execute?

And White is locked in on a reasonable contract ...

Great work by Brad Stevens.

I am not a fan of this deal at all.

[couchman]

I love Derrick but his lack of 3pt shooting accuracy is not a good fit next to DJM, this is a solid return, and we needed to trade him while the value was high (he hasn't been injured for a little while.)

Unless we're re-gifting Richardson or one of the other players we just acquired I would expect that we are done for this trading deadline.

[couchman]

I love Derrick but his lack of 3pt shooting accuracy is not a good fit next to DJM, this is a solid return, and we needed to trade him while the value was high (he hasn't been injured for a little while.)

Unless we're re-gifting Richardson or one of the other players we just acquired I would expect that we are done for this trading deadline.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Time for Vassell to take on some load.

[Thomas82]

Got a 1st rounder back too sheesh

And a pick swap in 2028.

[Seventyniner]

As a knee jerk reaction, I give this trade a B-. It makes sense, but White's skill set is extremely useful.

[Mugen]

They need to trade up to the top 3 with their extra FRPs tbh.

[spurraider21]

Time for Vassell to take on some load.
im still not sure if the brass sees vassell as a backcourt player or a forward

[R. DeMurre]

If Smart, White, Brown, Tatum, and Williams lll are all healthy, they could actually be dangerous in the playoffs.

[pookenstein]

I like White as a dude and player, but this is a good trade. Hope he does well with the Celtics, who are my favorite team in the east.

[KobesAchilles]

sad to say goodbye to the best white player on our team, but for that haul you gotta do it

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The potential Boston-Toronto play in game would be super interesting from the Spurs perspective.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[RC_Drunkford]

so is Richardson's contract not guaranteed for next season? Cause I see him being on the books with 12 million for another year

[Seventyniner]

so is Richardson's contract not guaranteed for next season? Cause I see him being on the books with 12 million for another year

I believe it's $4M guaranteed.

[timvp]

The Celtics will love White. If he stays healthy, this will be a good trade for them. Without as much attention paid to him, I expect his shooting percentages to rise. When he played with DeRozan, he tended to shoot it really straight when he got those wide open looks. He's not really built to be a second option like he was with the Spurs most of the time.

But, still, I don't see how the Spurs could turn down this trade -- especially when you factor in injury risk and age. It looks like Richardson is on the books next year for only ~$12 million (Spotrac doesn't list it but I'm pretty sure they're wrong), which makes him an asset. It's possible the Spurs can trade Richardson at some point for another first rounder.

Langford is due $5 million next year, which is fine. I'm not sure he's a legit NBA player but there's a chance he is and ends up being the best part of this trade for the Spurs. He has shown flashes of talent but he has stagnated on the deep Celtics bench.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Langford is due $5 million next year, which is fine. I'm not sure he's a legit NBA player but there's a chance he is and ends up being the best part of this trade for the Spurs. He has shown flashes of talent but he has stagnated on the deep Celtics bench.

I've watched the Celtics a few times this season and Langford has always been impressively good on defense, which was very surprising to me. His first two seasons he's been awful but he's on the right track if he's reinventing himself as a defense first roleplayer. He came into the league as a supposedly good scorer/ballhandler but it hasn't worked for him.

[Spursfanfromafar]

So currently the Spurs are on track to have picks 6, 18 and 20 in this draft? Woah. Hopefully the Lakers crash and burn to give the Spurs another pick in the 30s :lol

Best case scenario the Spurs get lucky with lottery balls and move up into the top 4, the Celtics stumble and miss the playoffs so that the Spurs get another lottery pick and the Raptors just barely make the playoffs and give the Spurs a pick in the teens. Damn, Wright swinging for the fences.

If there are no protections on that 2028 pick swap (unlikely), that'd be one hell of a piece going forward. Unprotected first rounders are unheard of these days.

With White gone, the Spurs can expect to move into the top 4 or worst case, No 6 (behind Thunder, Rockets, Magic, Pistons, Pacers). I doubt they will contend for the play-in with the Kangzz leapfrogging them soon. It could be a race to the bottom between the Spurs and the Blazers.

The Raptors are trending up and they have actually added a good backup C/F in Young and should continue to trend up. I suspect the Raps will remain 6th or worst case, fall to 8th in the East (so the Spurs could pick between the 18th-20th picks). The Celtics could also likely finish 6th/7th/8th in the East, which means that the Spurs will likely have two picks between 18th and the 20th. Expect the Lakers to fade into the play-in, which means the Spurs could pick No 40-41 as well. Thats 4 top 40-41 picks in a decent draft class. Not bad at all.

[exstatic]

Should've got more, hopefully the Celtics implode and the pick is good.

But at least Primo and Devin get more minutes.

How the FUCK are you going to get more for White? He was a former #29 overall pick, and was nagged by injuries.

Just in case you haven’t been reading…
2022 FRP only protected 1-4
2028 FRP swap option.
Josh Richardson solid piece
Romeo Langford lottery pick 3 years ago.

[Mr. Body]

That 2028 swap is down low pretty wicked. That's exactly when Boston may be tailing off as a team.

[Dejounte]

As a knee jerk reaction, I give this trade a B-. It makes sense, but White's skill set is extremely useful.

It wasn’t useful enough to make the Spurs much better.

[BatManu20]

Sad to see White go. He was a good two-way player on a friendly contract. But is she doesn’t fit the rebuild timeline.

I’m more worried about Dejounte. Don’t think he’ll be happy about this and he’s a FA in 2 years. Afraid he might be wanting out if this rebuild doesn’t happen quickly.

[rankingtear]

Langford defensive metrics is good there maybe something there.

[ceperez]

White is the best play maker in the Spurs. But he's injury prone and disappears too often in offense.

I don't think the two Celtics players are going to move the needle.

The first round pick could though. So given Spurs are going nowhere, it was worth the gamble.

[r0drig0lac]

not bad imo.

[BatManu20]

Wondering if Romeo can develop into something meaningful. Only 22 and he’s got some raw talent.



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[Rocalcio]

Now I can be honest:

His go-to move being taking a charge was embarrassing. That is barely a basketball play.

He’s the best defender among guards.

[MannyIsGod]

Objectively, this is not a bad trade for the Spurs. I think the other trades were better overall, but I can't say this trade is bad. Derrick has a great skillset that will be of use to the Celtics, but its pretty clear that we had to move someone at that position. Primo and Vassal are both good, if they decided to keep Lonnie he needs minutes as well. White was the Spurs most tradable asset, he was older than most of this core, and he was redundant so no one should be shocked by this. That being said, I don't love Richardson as a player and I don't think there's much value in Langford (but who knows). But adding another pick in next years draft is great, and the pick swap might be amazing (might also be trash - Tatum and Brown are still young AF).

Is it an amazing trade? No I don't think so. I do think it might be later on depending on who the Spurs pick in the draft. But this is the kind of move the Spurs need to make where they change a redundant player into picks and assets.

[RC_Drunkford]

Sad to see White go. He was a good two-way player on a friendly contract. But is she doesn’t fit the rebuild timeline.

I’m more worried about Dejounte. Don’t think he’ll be happy about this and he’s a FA in 2 years. Afraid he might be wanting out if this rebuild doesn’t happen quickly.

I think that won't last long once he plays with Banchero or Ivey

[Marco]

The Celtics will love White. If he stays healthy, this will be a good trade for them. Without as much attention paid to him, I expect his shooting percentages to rise. When he played with DeRozan, he tended to shoot it really straight when he got those wide open looks. He's not really built to be a second option like he was with the Spurs most of the time.

But, still, I don't see how the Spurs could turn down this trade -- especially when you factor in injury risk and age. It looks like Richardson is on the books next year for only ~$12 million (Spotrac doesn't list it but I'm pretty sure they're wrong), which makes him an asset. It's possible the Spurs can trade Richardson at some point for another first rounder.

Langford is due $5 million next year, which is fine. I'm not sure he's a legit NBA player but there's a chance he is and ends up being the best part of this trade for the Spurs. He has shown flashes of talent but he has stagnated on the deep Celtics bench.

LJ, White may be injury prone, but if he's also old, so is Murray. Only 2 yrs of difference.

[CGD]

I guess I get this trade now after losing my shit about premature reporting of what we were getting back, but I’m legit sad about losing Derrick.

[slick'81]

Well kiss you derrick. Consummate spur for life

[MannyIsGod]

Gonna be annoying AF to listen to Bill Simmons rave about Walker now after talking shit about how the Spurs young core sucked.

[Budkin]

Who is this Spurs FO making all these great trades!? I'm impressed!

[timvp]

LJ, White may be injury prone, but if he's also old, so is Murray. Only 2 yrs of difference.

Two years is a long time in basketball years, unfortunately, tbh. Especially when you're accounting for prime years.

[exstatic]

The potential Boston-Toronto play in game would be super interesting from the Spurs perspective.

You pull for Toronto, hard. If they lose, we only get one more shot at their FRP. Boston can drop into the lottery, as long as they don’t draw into the top 4.

[TrueSpursFan]

So can someone please explain what that 1st round pick means? What are the chances we get that pick?

[Kurgan]

The only thing that worries me about this trade is that it opens up some cap space to give Keldon a White-like extension that he doesn't deserve. KJ's terrible defense and his inability to improve on that end means he's going to be a money sink if the Spurs give him starter level money.

[exstatic]

Gonna be annoying AF to listen to Bill Simmons rave about Walker now after talking shit about how the Spurs young core sucked.

You’re going to see a different Derrick white with the ball in his hands.

[exstatic]

So can someone please explain what that 1st round pick means? What are the chances we get that pick?

Huge. It’s only protected 1-4.

[Uriel]

Very sad to see Derrick go. I'll always remember that video of him crying after he got that phone call from Pop when we took him on draft day. :(

[Seventyniner]

You pull for Toronto, hard. If they lose, we only get one more shot at their FRP. Boston can drop into the lottery, as long as they don’t draw into the top 4.

Yes, root for the Raptors every game. There's a pretty good chance the Raptors are in the East 7-10 play-in, and them going cold for a game or two could easily lead to the pick not conveying this year.

Best case is Boston somehow losing a ton and dropping to the #11-12 pick (and not jumping into the top 4), while the Raptors squeak into the playoffs via the play-in and give their #16 pick to the Spurs. The former isn't very likely but the latter is.

[Rocalcio]

It wasn’t useful enough to make the Spurs much better.

We had way worst players…

[Russ]

Wondering if Romeo can develop into something meaningful. Only 22 and he’s got some raw talent.



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Langford looks like a little bit less athletic, but a little bit smoother and headier version of Lonnie Walker, for whatever that's worth.

[CGD]

Huge. It’s only protected 1-4.

The problem is that is SOUNDS more impressive than it is. If season ended now, it’d be the 18th pick and BOS will likely only improve with addition of White.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Langford looks like a little bit less athletic, but a little bit smoother and headier version of Lonnie Walker, for whatever that's worth.

Anyone know Langford’s wingspan? Looks pretty long

[Chomag]

I'm really sad to see White go as I'm a big fan of his, but this is a really good trade for the Spurs for their future.

[MannyIsGod]

The problem is that is SOUNDS more impressive than it is. If season ended now, it’d be the 18th pick and BOS will likely only improve with addition of White.

I mean this is not a given. Richardson was a valuable shooter for them. I do think they needed a player like White, but we'll see how well he meshes with that team. Plus injuries happen.

[emanueldavidginobili]

The problem is that is SOUNDS more impressive than it is. If season ended now, it’d be the 18th pick and BOS will likely only improve with addition of White.
Along with the 6th and 20th, which could potentially be packaged to move into the top 3.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Langford looks like a little bit less athletic, but a little bit smoother and headier version of Lonnie Walker, for whatever that's worth.

Anyone know Langford’s wingspan? Looks pretty long

[John B]

Josh Richardson, Romeo Langford, 2022 first-round pick protected 1-4, for Derrick White


:wow

I like White but I like this trade. I mean, I'm a big fan of White and really enjoy watching him play. But he's closing in on 28, which means his timeline isn't great for a rebuilding team. Getting a first round pick for him is a win. Langford is interesting -- he probably isn't worth much but there might be something there. Richardson has value and could be flipped for even more picks.

Welcome back Timvp. It's inevitable. Spurs need to clear space for our future SG Primo. They drafted him with our highest pick yet and going all in with him. I think we're doing Derrick a solid also by getting him in a contender, plus getting a FRP. Win/Win for both.

Thanks Derrick for the memories!

[PhantomDashCam]

Sad to see him go. Was a joy watching him compete.

Spurs leaning further into rebuild, accumulating more firsts and opening play time for the roster.
Even at our very best, we were just a .500 team.

Can’t be mad but feeling dejected right now. Best of luck in Boston DW.

[emanueldavidginobili]

I wonder how much involved Pop was in moving Derrick. Weird he plays 32 minutes last night and is traded less than 24 hours later. Also sort of odd that Dejounte had no idea this was going to happen and posted a gif on twitter saying "WTF"

[Kurgan]

I wonder how much involved Pop was in moving Derrick. Weird he plays 32 minutes last night and is traded less than 24 hours later. Also sort of odd that Dejounte had no idea this was going to happen and posted a gif on twitter saying "WTF"

Murray is far and away our best player but he's not at the level of a Tim or DRob where the front office is in constant communication with them about front office moves

[Mr. Body]

Along with the 6th and 20th, which could potentially be packaged to move into the top 3.

A late FRP isn't going to move anything like that.

[slick'81]

I think its a nice lil haul for derrick. Hes a solid starter but clearly spurs were ready to move away from that deal

[Mr. Body]

I think its a nice lil haul for derrick. Hes a solid starter but clearly spurs were ready to move away from that deal

Agree.

Really sorry to see him go, but getting rid of his salary (as a 28 year old), getting a decent semi-replacement for now, and then a platoon guy in Langford who's improved in defense, and then the pick stuff. It's good.

[siraulo23]

Spurs went from not making any deals to doing every possible trades at the deadline :lmao

[poopbox]

Love this trade. We get a first and a future pick swap out of a player who clearly peaked in that Denver series. We also can feel pretty confident going forward that Vassel and Primo are going to start being force fed minutes. If Collins can stay healthy we are not one non trash power forward away from being a team with a real future.

I liked Derrick but as I have said plenty of times he just doesn't impact winning anymore. All that taking charges and defending the rim great for a guard shit doesn't help you nearly as much as taking and making open 3 point shots which is something he did in the bubble and pretty much never did again.

Must have had some pretty strong offers for Derrick if Boston had to do a pick swap to get the deal done. That is very dangerous. NBA moves at warp speed so who knows what happens in 2028

[duncan2150]

Anyone know Langford’s wingspan? Looks pretty long

6'11 wingspan

[slick'81]

Is lonnie now the starter?!

[duncan2150]

Is Richardson's contract guaranteed in 2022 2023 ?

[exstatic]

The problem is that is SOUNDS more impressive than it is. If season ended now, it’d be the 18th pick and BOS will likely only improve with addition of White.

I was asked about the chances it would convey this year. Huge.

[Penya]

Sad to see White go. He was a good two-way player on a friendly contract. But is she doesn’t fit the rebuild timeline.

I’m more worried about Dejounte. Don’t think he’ll be happy about this and he’s a FA in 2 years. Afraid he might be wanting out if this rebuild doesn’t happen quickly.

He'll be happy enough if the Spurs go all-in on LaVine. They're longtime friends, and I believe the FO is headed that way.

[Degoat]

DWhite represented everything the spurs are, I’m gonna really miss him tbh

[Robz4000]

What's really underlooked in this trade is how much space the Spurs literally opened up with White's forehead gone. Been awhile since the Spurs haven't had a Fathead on the roster.

[mo7888]

What's really underlooked in this trade is how much space the Spurs literally opened up with White's forehead gone. Been awhile since the Spurs haven't had a Fathead on the roster.

Technically we only opened up approximately 4M more in space...but Richardson's contract is easily movable this summer if we need the space and that could take us to around $50M in total space...

[Robz4000]

Technically we only opened up approximately 4M more in space...but Richardson's contract is easily movable this summer if we need the space and that could take us to around $50M in total space...

:lol I meant actual physical space

[Chinook]

I feel like not many folks have watch Richardson recently. He hasn't been good. There's a reason why the Spurs are his fifth team in four years. I prefer him to Taurean fucking Prince, but I'd definitely prefer him just not being on the team and having that salary space free. I Imagine most FOs agree.

[mo7888]

:lol I meant actual physical space

:bobo

[mo7888]

I feel like not many folks have watch Richardson recently. He hasn't been good. There's a reason why the Spurs are his fifth team in four years. I prefer him to Taurean fucking Prince, but I'd definitely prefer him just not being on the team and having that salary space free. I Imagine most FOs agree.

There's some truth there but getting off of a 1 year deal this summer won't be difficult if we want the space. Also, if he play decent from us we might be able to move him for value somewhere to some GM. We're good here as long as we don't extend him foolishly..

[exstatic]

I feel like not many folks have watch Richardson recently. He hasn't been good. There's a reason why the Spurs are his fifth team in four years. I prefer him to Taurean fucking Prince, but I'd definitely prefer him just not being on the team and having that salary space free. I Imagine most FOs agree.

Isn’t he guaranteed only like $4-5 M for next year?

[Uriel]

Unpopular opinion: No teams necessarily "wins" a trade. A trade isn't a zero-sum competition. Both parties make the exchange because both believe they will be better off by doing it.

Sure, one team may get more value than another. But that doesn't mean they "won" the trade because that would imply the other team lost. And the other team wouldn't make the trade in the first place if they didn't believe they would be better off doing it.

[Spurs9]

Adios Kyle Anderson 2.0

[quentin_compson]

I feel like not many folks have watch Richardson recently. He hasn't been good. There's a reason why the Spurs are his fifth team in four years. I prefer him to Taurean fucking Prince, but I'd definitely prefer him just not being on the team and having that salary space free. I Imagine most FOs agree.

He did look bad with Dallas last season, but I think he has been rather decent this year with the Celtics. His 3point attempt rate has gone up, as has his accuracy from downtown.

[NK123]

Sad to see White go but can we stop and think about it for a minute?
- We weren’t good enough with this roster.
- We now have cleared space to see both Primo and Vassell blossom.
- We have, Jones, Satoransky and Dragic as backup Point Guards.
- We have cap flexibility to sign a star.
- We have draft capital to draft good enough prospects or move up to draft one of the top prospects.
- Josh Richardson is not a bad player and with some development, maybe…

We are in a better place now.

[Atl Spur]

Nice glue guy!

[Atl Spur]

Also, I want to see who stays Langford or Walker?

[CGD]

A late FRP isn't going to move anything like that.

Probably not, but 18 & 20 can get you to 10 if there is someone there they like.

[FkLA]

WTF bro

[duncan2150]

Isn’t he guaranteed only like $4-5 M for next year?


I have a hard time finding it but yes he will have only 4 millions guaranteed next year

the more i see this deal the more i like it

cap space, pick, a right to swap and a possible project with langford. That's good tough i like White.

[Chinook]

There's some truth there but getting off of a 1 year deal this summer won't be difficult if we want the space. Also, if he play decent from us we might be able to move him for value somewhere to some GM. We're good here as long as we don't extend him foolishly..

The good news is SA can't extend him. It's not that he can't have trade value--he's always been considered at least buoyant ballast. It's that eventually teams are realizing he's not very good. Someone's gonna be left holding the bag. That might be SA. He has a decent chance to start for the Spurs, though. I hope he plays well and can be useful ballast for a Collins trade this summer.

[The Truth #6]

The good news is SA can't extend him. It's not that he can't have trade value--he's always been considered at least buoyant ballast. It's that eventually teams are realizing he's not very good. Someone's gonna be left holding the bag. That might be SA. He has a decent chance to start for the Spurs, though. I hope he plays well and can be useful ballast for a Collins trade this summer.

Don’t you typically say not to get too attached to players since we are young, not very good, and now rebuilding? Trading White is just as much about creating more room for other players. I don’t see what is to get that upset about with this trade.

[Marco]

Very sad to see Derrick go. I'll always remember that video of him crying after he got that phone call from Pop when we took him on draft day. :(

I'm with you.

https://youtu.be/VJe7KAG2qvY

[MannyIsGod]

I haven't seen anyone mention that this also benefits the Spurs as they will definitely be in fewer games without white. Tank is def on.

[exstatic]

I haven't seen anyone mention that this also benefits the Spurs as they will definitely be in fewer games without white. Tank is def on.

Yeah, I was a little worried when both Portland and Washington pulled the rip cord in the last few. Days.

[Chinook]

Don’t you typically say not to get too attached to players since we are young, not very good, and now rebuilding? Trading White is just as much about creating more room for other players. I don’t see what is to get that upset about with this trade.

I didn't want them to keep White. I wanted them to trade for other players using them rather than just for nebulous value. That's even more true considering I think the pick will be in the 20s. It could work out, but I want trades like with Hill where they target guys and get them using players like White. I wouldn't've done a deal like this until the draft.

[spurraider21]

Unpopular opinion: No teams necessarily "wins" a trade. A trade isn't a zero-sum competition. Both parties make the exchange because both believe they will be better off by doing it.

Sure, one team may get more value than another. But that doesn't mean they "won" the trade because that would imply the other team lost. And the other team wouldn't make the trade in the first place if they didn't believe they would be better off doing it.
:lmao

"believing" you are better off doesnt make you better off. nobody decides who won or lost a trade based on how the two teams "feel" about it

[The Truth #6]

I didn't want them to keep White. I wanted them to trade for other players using them rather than just for nebulous value. That's even more true considering I think the pick will be in the 20s. It could work out, but I want trades like with Hill where they target guys and get them using players like White. I wouldn't've done a deal like this until the draft.

Fair point. The flipside is that this may allow us to move up in the draft. But you’re being logical, which is good. I think most people are on a dopamine rush in seeing the Spurs do anything regarding trades.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

The protections on that 2028 pick swap are going to be interesting. Hope we get the details soon.

[cjw]

I didn't want them to keep White. I wanted them to trade for other players using them rather than just for nebulous value. That's even more true considering I think the pick will be in the 20s. It could work out, but I want trades like with Hill where they target guys and get them using players like White. I wouldn't've done a deal like this until the draft.

Boston may not have the same need for White during the draft as now. There’s a clear need for someone exactly like him there, and they may not have been willing to do the same package then. This also allows you more time to evaluate Langford.

In other words, I think they cashed out at White’s peak value.

Plus this frees more playing time - if Richardson isn’t in long term plans - for Primo/Vassell. And let’s you make a call on Walker.

[CGD]

Isn’t he guaranteed only like $4-5 M for next year?

I’m curious about this. I haven’t been able to find a definitive source.

Spotrac has it fully guaranteed, and Capulator (which really needs to be updated!) shows him expiring this year.

[TD 21]

Wow. Didn't see it coming for all the obvious reasons . . .

- Richardson has actually had his best season in a while and probably starts at the two (Vassell?) before likely being rerouted for more draft capital in the off season.

- Langford is injury prone, but a credible wing defender with his 3 (small sample size) showing progress. Not a bad flyer with Walker IV on the verge of being shown the door.

- Between seemingly Poeltl, their own top 5-10 1st, the likely Raptors one in the same range as the Celtics one and the Lakers 2nd, they could actually be major players in the draft.

- If Murray doesn't want to stick through a re-build, that's fine. He's not good enough to not do what they perceive as best for the long term because of how he might react.

[ceperez]

Langford is just 22 years old with a 7' wingspan.
Richardson is a year older than White but 2" taller and shooting .397 from 3 this season.

None of these two are playmakers.

But Spurs could be clearing room for Primo.

So they cashed in when White's stock was highest and they had a better (hopefully) replacement in the wings.

[Chinook]

Boston may not have the same need for White during the draft as now. There’s a clear need for someone exactly like him there, and they may not have been willing to do the same package then. This also allows you more time to evaluate Langford.

In other words, I think they cashed out at White’s peak value.

Plus this frees more playing time - if Richardson isn’t in long term plans - for Primo/Vassell. And let’s you make a call on Walker.

We don't know if this is White's peak value, because the return isn't set. Boston may only be giving a JAG, a scrub and a late pick. And if the Spurs missed out on that return, it would do little long - term harm. The team had four years of White; they didn't have to worry about Boston not wanting him this summer. Just keep him and move on.

I do like it way more if Primo gets the starting nod now. Two-guard has become a draftable position again, and the Spurs getting more time to decide if Primo is a blue-chipper is good.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I like White but this is the right move 10 times out of 10

He’s injury prone and not a perfect fit with Murray. He’s also getting an average of $17.4 million each of the next three seasons.

Now the books are VERY clean heading into the off-season. You get White’s cap space back too.


I agree 100% with the statement above.

Derrick is a good player and seems like a good human being from the outside looking in, but this is a good trade for our rebuilding team and it also helps the Celtics

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I like this. I didn't like white

WOULD YOU SAY HE WAS THA JUICE OF A DUMPSTA?

[LaMarcus Bryant]

What does all of this mean for Orb Forbes

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Brian Wright kicked ass today!!!

i’m looking even more forward to the draft after this. I hope Primo and Devin stay aggressive now that they will get more minutes.

[RD2191]

You're all faggots.

[NASpurs]

You're all faggots.

It's true.

[BacktoBasics]

Not to shit on the trade but what exactly did we cash in on?

A 19-25 range pick isn’t going to be better than White. Richardson isn’t better than white and I don’t think the pick and Richardson is more easily traded than white if you wanted to move up into a top 12 pick.

If the move is about looking into the off-season then how is Richardson and the pick better than White? Seems to me we could have moved white for move this off-season than we’ll ever get for Richardson and the pick.

[RD2191]

It's true.
:lol

[MannyIsGod]

I'm not sure how you can say a 19-25 pick isn't going to be better than white when it very well may be better than white.

[baseline bum]

You're all faggots.

You're the one who came to our party rob

[callo1]

Wish White the best but really like this trade.

Fringe benefit: Lakers wanted Richardson, so.. :clap

[duncan2150]

I’m curious about this. I haven’t been able to find a definitive source.

Spotrac has it fully guaranteed, and Capulator (which really needs to be updated!) shows him expiring this year.

https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1491846510329442311

I also found nothing on sites like spotrac or hoopshype but i found this on twitter.

[slick'81]

Lonnie walker our new starting sg:clap

[Mr. Body]

White's trade had as much to do with his age and salary as much as anything, perhaps his injury history, but those two other elements most.

[timvp]

Wow, so the 2028 swap is only protected if the Celtics get the number one overall pick. Otherwise, the Spurs have the right to swap first rounders :wow

Sure, it's a shot in the dark .... but that's an interesting asset to have on the books.

[Adam Lambert]

I'm not sure how you can say a 19-25 pick isn't going to be better than white when it very well may be better than white.

Especially given White was a 29th pick.

[Adam Lambert]

Wow, so the 2028 swap is only protected if it's the number one overall pick. :wow

Sure, it's a shot in the dark .... but that's an interesting asset to have on the books.

The Celtics weren't going to let another Tim Duncan situation happen.

[Adam Lambert]

But I do admit I was having hilarious fantasies about the 2028 being a #1 overall and the Spurs drafting the next Duncan on the Celtics' pick.

[Mr. Body]

Wow, so the 2028 swap is only protected if the Celtics get the number one overall pick. Otherwise, the Spurs have the right to swap first rounders :wow

Sure, it's a shot in the dark .... but that's an interesting asset to have on the books.

As I said elsewhere, it's about the time when Brown and Tatum will be declining.

[TD 21]

Lonnie walker our new starting sg:clap

Starters: Johnson, McDermott, Poeltl, Richardson/Vassell, Murray

Bench: Vassell/Richardson, Collins, Walker IV, Primo, Jones, Bates-Diop, Langford

Deep bench/G-League: Landale, Satoransky, Wieskamp, Cacok

[slick'81]

Starters: Johnson, McDermott, Poeltl, Richardson/Vassell, Murray

Bench: Vassell/Richardson, Collins, Walker IV, Primo, Jones, Bates-Diop, Langford

Deep bench/G-League: Landale, Satoransky, Wieskamp, Cacok


id be good with vassell or lonnie starting at 2

[Leetonidas]

They'll probably start Richardson I bet. He's a 40% three point shooter and we sure could use that at the #2 spot. Plus he's actually 6'6

Fine with Primo or Vassell starting either way. Keep Walker tf out of the SL tho

[MannyIsGod]

As I said elsewhere, it's about the time when Brown and Tatum will be declining.

I doubt it. Jason Tatum is all of 23 years old. Brown is a couple of years older but I doubt he starts declining that soon either.

[RD2191]

You're the one who came to our party rob
:wakeup

[slick'81]

They'll probably start Richardson I bet. He's a 40% three point shooter and we sure could use that at the #2 spot. Plus he's actually 6'6

Fine with Primo or Vassell starting either way. Keep Walker tf out of the SL tho


dont see why if they aren't keeping him around beyond this season. We aren't trying to win anymore,and its time to unleash devin

[poopbox]

Who cares who starts we are tanking :lol

Richardson is shooting 40$ from 3 now but he better NOT be 5 games from now :lol

[BatManu20]

First DeMar, now Derrick. Dejounte’s two closest friends on the team both traded within a year. Need to move his closest homies from Seattle here or something.

[Dverde]

I’m a little sad another fanbase won’t be searching for Lonnie Walker highlights on YouTube, get optimistic, then get let down. You know like what we are doing with Romeo Langford :lol

[Mr. Body]

I doubt it. Jason Tatum is all of 23 years old. Brown is a couple of years older but I doubt he starts declining that soon either.

Good point, but they have a lot of wear and tear and can't even be certain about the playoffs right now.

[Slippy]

DWhite represented everything the spurs are, I’m gonna really miss him tbh

This . Still in shock . This many trades before the trade deadline by rhe spurs is slmost as shocking.

[Dejounte]

This worry about DJ leaving is weird. There’s a 30 minute interview of him basically singing praises for the Spurs organization.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm not sure how you can say a 19-25 pick isn't going to be better than white when it very well may be better than white.

Obviously anything can happen but White's been a solid pick. I think White is a proven asset despite health issues etc. I'd put the pick being better than White pretty low. I think getting another Lonnie in the range is the more likely outcome... and that would be a positive outcome for that draft range.

[CGD]

Wow, so the 2028 swap is only protected if the Celtics get the number one overall pick. Otherwise, the Spurs have the right to swap first rounders :wow

Sure, it's a shot in the dark .... but that's an interesting asset to have on the books.

Here's hoping Tatum hits Diva Mode toward the end of his deal in 2026.

[exstatic]

Not to shit on the trade but what exactly did we cash in on?

A 19-25 range pick isn’t going to be better than White. Richardson isn’t better than white and I don’t think the pick and Richardson is more easily traded than white if you wanted to move up into a top 12 pick.

If the move is about looking into the off-season then how is Richardson and the pick better than White? Seems to me we could have moved white for move this off-season than we’ll ever get for Richardson and the pick.

Boston isn’t going to drop back to 25. They’ve been on a tear, which means they’re likely to cool off. Most of the teams ahead of them, record wise, made moves to improve, and most of what Boston did, other than White, was tax/cap housekeeping. The Forbes trade first, salary dumping the two contracts they got in that trade later in another trade, and then the Schroeder trade. I think that pick is right about where it will land right now.

We also get a look at Langford, a late lottery pick from 19. He’s got some physical tools, and while he was drafted as a shooter/scorer, he’s shown some good D this year.

Richardson is a guy. Sometimes you need a guy to make the trade work. He has no strong negatives.

Oh, and there’s that 2028 FRP swap option. Won’t know what that is for quite a while. Could be very nice, could be meh.

[Slippy]

One thing for sure the Dwhite and DJ pairing wasnt resulting with wins. Can understand the spurs going in a diffrent direction.

Just never mid season and Dwhite was the least expected.

[Dverde]

This worry about DJ leaving is weird. There’s a 30 minute interview of him basically singing praises for the Spurs organization.

I think he’s fine. I think his post was more about all the trades happening today. He’s friends with a lot of these scrubs being tossed around to different teams. He hates losing so obviously Spurs have to shake things up. They’re terrible and one of the worst teams in the conference.

[Russ]

This worry about DJ leaving is weird. There’s a 30 minute interview of him basically singing praises for the Spurs organization.

I don't see DJ leaving any time soon. He knows he's the lead dog here and you don't just get that by walking in the door somewhere else.

DJ has a huge ego (in a good way) and he likes his situation.

[slick'81]

I don't see DJ leaving any time soon. He knows he's the lead dog here and you don't just get that by walking in the door somewhere else.

DJ has a huge ego (in a good way) and he likes his situation.

as long as he gets his max deal hell be fine. Spurs have always done right by DjM

[Spurs Homer]

welp white was a good dude -

but boston will soon find out he is a fragile china doll when he goes out for the season again with a foot injury

decent trade/great timing

[bdictjames]

This feels like the George Hill trade. White was my favorite player on the Spurs. I thought that backcourt of DJM/White was gonna last us long. Oh well. Hope he flourishes! I think he will be in the NBA for a long time, much like Hill.

[RC_Drunkford]

The good news is SA can't extend him. It's not that he can't have trade value--he's always been considered at least buoyant ballast. It's that eventually teams are realizing he's not very good. Someone's gonna be left holding the bag. That might be SA. He has a decent chance to start for the Spurs, though. I hope he plays well and can be useful ballast for a Collins trade this summer.

I don't see how we can get Collins. The 2 players the Hawks would've traded for him both play for Boston now.

[exstatic]

welp white was a good dude -

but boston will soon find out he is a fragile china doll when he goes out for the season again with a foot injury

decent trade/great timing

He hasn’t had any foot issues since the bubble in 2020. He had surgery, recovered after missing like the first 10 games the next season, and hasn’t been troubled since. He’s had Two health and safety shutdowns, like half the league, and one ankle sprain, also like half the league. This China doll trope is both tired and inaccurate.

[PhantomDashCam]

One thing for sure the Dwhite and DJ pairing wasnt resulting with wins. Can understand the spurs going in a diffrent direction.

Just never mid season and Dwhite was the least expected.

Silver lining, last time the Spurs were this bold with one of their favorite sons, the results were (at the time) extremely positive with Number Deuce. There is no doubt in my mind the Spurs feel there are potentially several game changing talents in this draft...

[duncan2k5]

no way! D White is our new age Manu to DJM's Parker. Best of luck D White

Manu was consistent as fuck

[Spurs Homer]

He hasn’t had any foot issues since the bubble in 2020. He had surgery, recovered after missing like the first 10 games the next season, and hasn’t been troubled since. He’s had Two health and safety shutdowns, like half the league, and one ankle sprain, also like half the league. This China doll trope is both tired and inaccurate.

I'll mark this post and re-post it for you when white goes down...
cheers!

[Seventyniner]

Silver lining, last time the Spurs were this bold with one of their favorite sons, the results were (at the time) extremely positive with Number Deuce. There is no doubt in my mind the Spurs feel there are potentially several game changing talents in this draft...

What I'm hoping for is that the FO did some deep scouting and is absolutely in love with some players in the 15-25 range, so they aggressively made moves to get in that range.

[TD 21]

^ Could be wrong obviously, but I suspect their thinking wasn't that deep. My sense was it was probably more so just the realization that it was past time to pick a clear direction and in Young's case there was obviously urgency to get something done.

It also might be a sign of Wright gaining power. Windhorst said recently (paraphrasing) something along the lines of a disagreement in how to proceed in the front office.

[B1gduff]

A pretty solid trade for us! Tought to trade White but this is a nice return.

Richardson, can fill in at sg/sf and has the wingspan to improve the entire team defensively. He's not the offensive player white is, but if used correctly should work out.

Langford, looks like one of those guys that never really got his shot, but he fits in as a 3 and d guy, if he can develop that 3. Hopefully he puts in work with Chip.

We got a a top 20 pick aswell.

[FkLA]

A 15 ppg, elite defender on a good contract gets you two low-end role players and a non-lottery pick? Seems like a shit return. I'm hurt.

[Dejounte]

My DW jersey is useless now

[FkLA]

My DW jersey is useless now

I have a DWhite fiesta jersey, tbh.

[tonight...you]

This worry about DJ leaving is weird. There’s a 30 minute interview of him basically singing praises for the Spurs organization.
Kawhi PTSD

[GAustex]

My DW jersey is useless now
Yeah I know
I have a Kahawii SA Spurs bobble head

[exstatic]

A 15 ppg, elite defender on a good contract gets you two low-end role players and a non-lottery pick? Seems like a shit return. I'm hurt.

Psst. If everything goes sideways for Boston, we get the pick unless it’s 1-4. It could be a lottery pick.

[Dejounte]

White was a Thanos-Gamora sacrifice. It had to be done for the greater good.

[Gagnrath]

Langford looks like a little bit less athletic, but a little bit smoother and headier version of Lonnie Walker, for whatever that's worth.

If he can keep his head in the game, for three or four games in a row that makes him quite good the problem with Walker isn't that he didn't show flashes or have good games the problem is that his head was often out of the game.

[Gagnrath]

Is lonnie now the starter?!

Probably going to have Rishardson or Vassel start, Lonnie back-up, though Lonnie might get a 10 game from pop "prove this should be your spot and extension" but that is "98-08" pop not modern pop. Modern pop started pop 14 ship.

[objective]

White-Poeltl was a top 10 pick and roll combination this year by the stats.

They already had problems scoring, it might get a lot worse.

[Dejounte]

White-Poeltl was a top 10 pick and roll combination this year by the stats.

They already had problems scoring, it might get a lot worse.

At this point? Good!

[slick'81]

White-Poeltl was a top 10 pick and roll combination this year by the stats.

They already had problems scoring, it might get a lot worse.

we are trying to get a top5 pick correct?!
If anything this deadline proved the sours are in full on tank mode

[RC_Drunkford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfmPOecrBJw

I wouldn't mind having him play PF off the bench

[tim_duncan_fan]

He’s the best defender among guards.

That's probably true.

[tim_duncan_fan]

im still not sure if the brass sees vassell as a backcourt player or a forward

Whatever he is, he needs to continue to work on moving with the ball in his hands and up his FGA.

[8sy21vd]

we are trying to get a top5 pick correct?!
If anything this deadline proved the sours are in full on tank mode

Yep. This to me is the real return. You nearly guarantee a top 5 pick and maybe a potential star talent. It was the right move and they did White a solid sending him to a far better situation for him. The pick swap 5 years from now is a really interesting wrinkle.

[duncan2k5]

He hasn’t been injured this season.

Season is half over... That means he is due

[Cabrito]

I like White a lot. He is solid, a glue guy. I am not one to believe players stop getting better at the age of 26, so White can get better. Regardless, he isn’t an All Star player now and likely won’t be on the Celtics. We are a below average team with him so trading him shouldn’t impact wins hardly at all The Spurs needed to see what the young guards have and White was a progress stopper from that perspective. We cleared his contract, get to see Vassal and Primo, and got an asset. The end.

[Dex]

This is the problem when you draft a glut of guards.

Someone was bound to to be the odd-man out. I expected it to be Lonnie...but instead, White apparently had more value in the trade market.

We still have Murray, Walker (for now), Jones, Primo, Vassell all developing...plus Richardson and Langford are now theoretically in the mix.

At some point...someone was bound to go and I think we all agree Murray won the DJ vs. Derrick battle.

[slick'81]

This is the problem when you draft a glut of guards.

Someone was bound to to be the odd-man out. I expected it to be Lonnie...but instead, White apparently had more value in the trade market.

We still have Murray, Walker (for now), Jones, Primo, Vassell all developing...plus Richardson and Langford are now theoretically in the mix.

At some point...someone was bound to go and I think we all agree Murray won the DJ vs. Derrick battle.


dejounte gonna get paaaid

[spurraider21]

Whatever he is, he needs to continue to work on moving with the ball in his hands and up his FGA.
he also has to actually become a knock down 3 point shooter too

34% is not cutting it... at all

[paperboy77]

I realize it's me watching highlights on you tube but this kid Langford seems to be a live body out there. I've read an issue with him is staying healthy. Hope he works out. Lonnie better watch the hell out.

[Dejounte]

This is the problem when you draft a glut of guards.

Someone was bound to to be the odd-man out. I expected it to be Lonnie...but instead, White apparently had more value in the trade market.

We still have Murray, Walker (for now), Jones, Primo, Vassell all developing...plus Richardson and Langford are now theoretically in the mix.

At some point...someone was bound to go and I think we all agree Murray won the DJ vs. Derrick battle.

the glut of guards is the cause for players not getting as much minutes as they should

not getting as much minutes as they should = Not having the time to showcase their talent

not having the time to showcase their talent = no overpaid players

IMO, if they alternatively focused their selections on roster balance early, we’d have a ton of overpaid players

[skin27]

Finally spurs getting some firdt round picks,hopefukky a top top 5..

[John B]

When Spurs picked DJ and White, it’s to eventually replace TP and Manu. And the league just started being heavy-guards, thus Lonnie, Quindarry, Tre and Primo. Vassell is more of a defensive SG/SF like Green. I don’t have problem with that. In hindsight, Spurs just cleared like 35mil cap space, potential top 5 pick, multiple 1st, plenty of assets on it’s 3rd year. Spurs are in for a busy exciting Summer!

[timtonymanu]

It’s a move that had to be done but definitely gonna miss that big forehead. Dude was a class act and a good player on the Spurs. DJ is just better and the white/Murray combo wasn’t going to get the spurs anywhere.

[Dejounte]

Whoever the next running mate is HAS to be able to reliably score and do more on offense than be a streaky shooter like White was.

Not going to miss all the sulking from White.

[Texas eye]

I don't think any player over 23 will be on this team next year. Murray and Jacob too old for the rebuild.

[tim_duncan_fan]

I wonder how Derrick will play post-trade. He clearly had no interest in even trying to be more than a glue guy, so theoretically he is in the type of situation he wants to be in now. But he's very neurotic. His confidence might fall off a cliff at being traded and in a whole new world.

[objective]

At this point? Good!


we are trying to get a top5 pick correct?!
If anything this deadline proved the sours are in full on tank mode

I get that, but I'd be happier if the draft class was better, I don't like anyone even as an all-star among the top.

[wildbill2u]

2022 protected 1-4 first round pick. The Spurs are loaded with picks

When a team has a pick protected, is it the draft position AFTER the lottery balls are selected? In other words, if this pick turns out to be the 5th pick after the lottery balls are selected, would we get it?

[Dejounte]

When a team has a pick protected, is it the draft position AFTER the lottery balls are selected? In other words, if this pick turns out to be the 5th pick after the lottery balls are selected, would we get it?
Yes

after the lottery balls

[Biggems]

So now, turn these 3 picks this year into Victor Wembanyama next year.......

[cjw]

So now, turn these 3 picks this year into Victor Wembanyama next year.......

Assuming both picks convey this year (basically Celtics have to not have ball drawn in lottery if they’re even in lottery, and Raptors have to make the playoffs proper - not play-in)…

Spurs will have the assets to grab nearly ANYONE they want in the draft, assuming there’s a player they covet. Trade ups + if you really wanted to move into top 3, other young assets.

Pretty unique situation to be in. I don’t expect them to draft three guys, so likely will trade up. Roster is already going to be full before accounting for use of cap space.

[BacktoBasics]

Assuming both picks convey this year (basically Celtics have to not have ball drawn in lottery if they’re even in lottery, and Raptors have to make the playoffs proper - not play-in)…

Spurs will have the assets to grab nearly ANYONE they want in the draft, assuming there’s a player they covet. Trade ups + if you really wanted to move into top 3, other young assets.

Pretty unique situation to be in. I don’t expect them to draft three guys, so likely will trade up. Roster is already going to be full before accounting for use of cap space.
For what it’s worth I don’t think 3 firsts gets you into the top 3.

I’m seeing the top 5 being impactful and it levels from 6-15. Maybe things will become more clear a few months from now but I see kind of a ho-hum draft class.

[Ditty]

Hope Romeo gets all Lonnie’s minutes.

[Mr. Body]

Assuming both picks convey this year (basically Celtics have to not have ball drawn in lottery if they’re even in lottery, and Raptors have to make the playoffs proper - not play-in)…

Spurs will have the assets to grab nearly ANYONE they want in the draft, assuming there’s a player they covet. Trade ups + if you really wanted to move into top 3, other young assets.

Pretty unique situation to be in. I don’t expect them to draft three guys, so likely will trade up. Roster is already going to be full before accounting for use of cap space.

Generally it's almost impossible to move up from a spot like #6 to #2 or #3 without a major investment. Teams get very tightfisted. The picks we may get in the teens might be put together to move up a few spots but that's generally it.

[Chinook]

As I said before, thinking that you can just trade up in the draft ignores the obvious rebuttal that teams might not want to move down. This isn't a case where if the Spurs can offer up enough "value", they'll get the move-up be default. It takes a team not liking any of the players available enough to risk the Spurs and the teams behind them from getting them while also having a player there whom the Spurs want enough to take rather than let other teams have a crack at them. Despite having the flexibility to move up each of the past two years, they have not done so, and they haven't moved down. Just like the Spurs probably don't want to make three first-round picks, other teams don't either.

Personally, I'm going into this assuming the Spurs are going to have to use each of these four picks. The likely alternative would be moving down with the lower picks or shunting them away for future picks. Just look at the Spurs' new wing Langford for an example of what it looks like to have a bunch of firsts no one wants. If Spurs fans were pissed about the team cutting bait with Samanic, they're not going to like the Spurs being forced to draft meh players they end up giving up on within a year or two. Every player they pick will have reasons to like them -- basically every player in the draft has those. So there will be a way to spin every young player who gets moved or cut as "letting him go too early". In a way, it's fine. This is the reality of rebuilding -- cycling through prospects hoping that someone sticks. I'm not against the strategy, but I don't like its lack of focus.

As I said, there are definitely ways this trade can work out. Langford might be able to grow into a rotation-caliber role-player. Richardson might end up being a helpful trade piece. The pick and/or swap could end up bringing back an impact player. It could be the next franchise-defining trade. But I also think people are wrong to believe the Spurs sold high on White. They moved a solid player signed to a fair deal for three more seasons for an handful of unknowns that are more likely to be meh than great. Even though it would look way different, I don't doubt the Spurs could have gotten a package of similar value at multiple points over the next few seasons, assuming Derrick doesn't completely fall apart. If anything, I wish this could have happened earlier so the Spurs could shop their picks and expirings for other players. Collins and Richardson are somewhat able to help them do that during the draft, but if they had this haul to combine with AFA's, Dragic's and Satoransky's expirings over the summer, they might have been able to make some huge moves.

Also, I wonder how one would rate the apparent values of White, Levert and Haliburton now. All three guards were the headliners of their deals (and yes, considering the Pacers both took back bad money and gave a second, Haliburton was the player with the most value in the deal).

[objective]

More I think about it the less I like it. I've said back through the summer and I think since he signed the deal, that they could have moved him for a first round pick whenever they wanted. Easy.

Did they really improve on that? I read the swap was #1 protected. And probably 2022 is a pick in the 20s ... But they're down a good player now.

White is a good NBA player. And he will leave a hole in their roster, because Romeo doesn't look like an NBA player and Richardson is an average player only under contract for another year who has been passed around like a groupie.

And I don't buy this 'timeline' stuff. If the Spurs cared about timelines, they wouldn't have signed a 30 year old McDermott to a 3 year deal.

White is good. They don't even make the playoffs against Denver without White. He will be great in Boston alongside better talent.

Yes, White gone helps a tank. But it just highlights the terrible decision to not tank when Kawhi was hiding. It made sense to compete with no chance if it helped Pop keep some dignity, but now they're tanking anyway with Pop all the same. What a giant waste of time. They should have told Kawhi to get bent, and moved off the vets they never moved and been back in business by now and not junking good players. Great, it makes time for Primo ... How about keeping him with Primo and getting rid of guys who aren't legit good like Lonnie?

Disappointed.

[gospursgojas]

Spurs should be doing all they can to make the picks and asserts they’ve gained turn into Jaden Ivey. I see that guy as a franchise player.

[Chinook]

More I think about it the less I like it. I've said back through the summer and I think since he signed the deal, that they could have moved him for a first round pick whenever they wanted. Easy.

Did they really improve on that? I read the swap was #1 protected. And probably 2022 is a pick in the 20s ... But they're down a good player now.

White is a good NBA player. And he will leave a hole in their roster, because Romeo doesn't look like an NBA player and Richardson is an average player only under contract for another year who has been passed around like a groupie.

And I don't buy this 'timeline' stuff. If the Spurs cared about timelines, they wouldn't have signed a 30 year old McDermott to a 3 year deal.

White is good. They don't even make the playoffs against Denver without White. He will be great in Boston alongside better talent.

Yes, White gone helps a tank. But it just highlights the terrible decision to not tank when Kawhi was hiding. It made sense to compete with no chance if it helped Pop keep some dignity, but now they're tanking anyway with Pop all the same. What a giant waste of time. They should have told Kawhi to get bent, and moved off the vets they never moved and been back in business by now and not junking good players. Great, it makes time for Primo ... How about keeping him with Primo and getting rid of guys who aren't legit good like Lonnie?

Disappointed.

I agree with a lot of this, but I can't ride with the idea that the Spurs should have started tanking in 2017-2018. That was one of my favorite years to watch Aldridge and a bunch of scrappy defenders take the team to the playoffs. It sucks that the Spurs and Warriors met in the first round. I think they matched up pretty well with Houston and could have surprised them in a similar way that they surprised Denver the following year. It obviously wasn't a championship year, but I got a lot of enjoyment seeing the last glimpses of the Big Three era still win a lot of games.

I've given my thoughts on the 2018 off-season and don't want to take up the thread doing so again. I don't think I would have preferred them tanking them either.

I also think they gave up White at a bad time, as I've said. I would have been fine trading him for a specific pick during the draft if the Spurs really liked a guy still on the board. Hell, a similar thing might even end up happening with Murray. If Richardson had not gotten his extension, I would have been a bigger fan of the deal, because Wright's shown he can at least turn cap space into draft assets. The Spurs are now at a crossroads with Murray, and they won't really be able to afford to rebuilding for a long time if they don't intend on trading him soon. I strongly doubt they're going to draft their way to competing with Murray. They'll have to make signings and trades. White was likely a sacrifice necessary to that end, but if the end up drafting JAGs as their main compensation and hoping they'll find a way to grow into a solid roster, then it's not worth it.

[KobesAchilles]

Will Brown and Taytum even pass him the ball? That’s the real question

[024]

White had no future with this team and was frustrating to watch a lot of times. This is an amazing deal.

[rankingtear]

Unprotected pick from a surefire lottery team is the best case scenario for White , but who would give that honestly.