Anyone watching the show about how Magic caught AIDS on HBO this Sunday?

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Of course Westhead isn't going to take any blame. He also said he tried to slow things down because of Magic's injury but Pearlman claims Westhead did it from the start of the season, wanting a lot of control over the offense to leave his imprint on the team so no one could say he was just rolling out the balls for McKinney's team. Said the players hated it because he tried to run a college like offense where every player had to go to a specific spot on the floor to initiate the offense. I gotta trust Pearlman's word over Westhead trying to re-write his legacy, especially since Pearlman never seemed like he took anyone's side in the Showtime book.

I also read somewhere he did it to manage Kareem’s ego because Magic had just signed that big contract, so more touches = happier Kareem

[baseline bum]

Obviously exaggerating but it was well known that Kareem was aloof in this era
Because he wasn’t whoring and boozing with Magic Buss and company.

Also lol, Pearlman's book said Kareem chased bitches at The Forum Club too, he wasn't just going home being Good Jungle Fever Muslim after the games. :lol

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Also lol, Pearlman's book said Kareem chased bitches at The Forum Club too, he wasn't just going home being Good Jungle Fever Muslim after the games. :lol

well duh, after all he’s got illegitimate kids

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well duh, after all he’s got illegitimate kids
Adam Abdul Jabbar, guy who sliced the San Clemente (Orange County CA coast) neighbor to the point of neighbor almost passing away outside the ER.....
Daddy Kareems lawyer found a corrupt judge and gave him only 6 months. As to finding out if even that was reduced to home confinement! appears google has been scrubbed. As in $$$crubbed.

I'll keep trying to get the local rag to report on it.

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I also read somewhere he did it to manage Kareem’s ego because Magic had just signed that big contract, so more touches = happier Kareem
Heard Fagic in interview say he and others tried to get the ball to Kream early in the game, even if it was not the best play or another player had a better shot.
Why? He said otherwise Kream would pout-sulk and that could continue the whole game.

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Heard Fagic in interview say he and others tried to get the ball to Kream early in the game, even if it was not the best play or another player had a better shot.
Why? He said otherwise Kream would pout-sulk and that could continue the whole game.

He/Kareem granted him/Magic the con. It don't get better than that, Mult.

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HBO Responds To Jerry West's Threat Of Filing A Case Against 'Winning Time': "We Stand Resolutely Behind Our Talented Creators." (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/hbo-responds-to-jerry-west-s-threat-of-filing-a-case-against-winning-time-we-stand-resolutely-behind-our-talented-creators/ar-AAWPK7K?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c0065120b07942f0a72e06b07c5bccb9)

"HBO has a long history of producing compelling content drawn from actual facts and events that are fictionalized in part for dramatic purposes. 'Winning Time' is not a documentary and has not been presented as such. However, the series and its depictions are based on extensive factual research and reliable sourcing, and HBO stands resolutely behind our talented creators and cast who have brought a dramatization of this epic chapter in basketball history to the screen."

:lol I dunno about HBO's "factual research and reliable sourcing" but they are not backing down.

[Killakobe81]

HBO Responds To Jerry West's Threat Of Filing A Case Against 'Winning Time': "We Stand Resolutely Behind Our Talented Creators." (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/hbo-responds-to-jerry-west-s-threat-of-filing-a-case-against-winning-time-we-stand-resolutely-behind-our-talented-creators/ar-AAWPK7K?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=c0065120b07942f0a72e06b07c5bccb9)

"HBO has a long history of producing compelling content drawn from actual facts and events that are fictionalized in part for dramatic purposes. 'Winning Time' is not a documentary and has not been presented as such. However, the series and its depictions are based on extensive factual research and reliable sourcing, and HBO stands resolutely behind our talented creators and cast who have brought a dramatization of this epic chapter in basketball history to the screen."

:lol I dunno about HBO's "factual research and reliable sourcing" but they are not backing down.

The show has gone out of its way to redeem West and soften him …
I knew this was coming everyone needs to chill

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:lol Haywood is gonna try to murder everyone in the next episode

[daslicer]

:lol Haywood is gonna try to murder everyone in the next episode

According to this Spencer did put a hit out on Westhead but not his teammates. Ultimately Spencer called it off at the last minute.

https://www.distractify.com/p/did-spencer-haywood-try-to-kill-the-lakers

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According to this Spencer did put a hit out on Westhead but not his teammates. Ultimately Spencer called it off at the last minute.

https://www.distractify.com/p/did-spencer-haywood-try-to-kill-the-lakersyep heard about that
still fucked up

[baseline bum]

According to this Spencer did put a hit out on Westhead but not his teammates. Ultimately Spencer called it off at the last minute.

https://www.distractify.com/p/did-spencer-haywood-try-to-kill-the-lakers

At least he genuinely seems clean now and went and apologized to Westhead for his bullshit when Westhead was coaching Loyola-Marymount. I really hate the way this show is handling Westhead and Haywood though. Benching Haywood from the beginning is how Westhead got the rest of the team to respect him and Kareen fucking hated Haywood, but gotta make up bullshit for TV about no one liking Westhead. And Buss fucking loved him, which is why Magic had to demand a trade to get him fired.

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Landsberger is funny AF in this show :lol

[baseline bum]

Landsberger is funny AF in this show :lol

He's way funnier in the book.

[lefty]

He's way funnier in the book.
I don’t doubt iit

[lefty]

Most of the actors have been great so far

But the award goes to Sally Field

[baseline bum]

Landsberger is funny AF in this show :lol

In the book Landsberger went to Riley and asked if they run any plays for rebounds. :lol

Also he snitched on all the Lakers for fucking random bitches at the Forum Club to his wife, who then told Michael Cooper's wife, who of course told everyone else. The team just basically started ignoring him and he left the Lakers at the end of the season. Landsberger was the original D'Angelo Russell. Also a heavy ass coke user who would fuck ugly fat bitches.

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In the book Landsberger went to Riley and asked if they run any plays for rebounds. :lol.
:lmao

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In the book Landsberger went to Riley and asked if they run any plays for rebounds. :lol

Also he snitched on all the Lakers for fucking random bitches at the Forum Club to his wife, who then told Michael Cooper's wife, who of course told everyone else. The team just basically started ignoring him and he left the Lakers at the end of the season. Landsberger was the original D'Angelo Russell. Also a heavy ass coke user who would fuck ugly fat bitches.
Winnin Time makes it look like Landsburger is on the team from the start of the 79-80 season, right?
Another b.s. spin by the show.

You sure he snitched in 80?, he stuck around all the way till end of 82-83 season.
On February 13, 1980, the Bulls traded Landsberger to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Oliver Mack and two second round draft choices. Landsberger remained in Los Angeles until 1983.

[baseline bum]

Winnin Time makes it look like Landsburger is on the team from the start of the 79-80 season, right?
Another b.s. spin by the show.

You sure he snitched in 80?, he stuck around all the way till end of 82 season.
On February 13, 1980, the Bulls traded Landsberger to the Los Angeles Lakers in exchange for Oliver Mack and two second round draft choices. Landsberger remained in Los Angeles until 1983.

He snitched in 83

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He snitched in 83
Wow, will Losing Time show that?
Did the book mention or you got it from other sources?

[baseline bum]

Wow, will Losing Time show that?
Did the book mention or you got it from other sources?

The book

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Ep 10 Promised land.

What a joke. Why not just show how the Lakers really won the game with Magic having the game of his life? What could make a better Laker Winning story then what really happened?
Instead the bullshit super close 4th quarter and last minute shot 1 point win. Dissing Dr. J too with some fantacy dunk over him.

Reality?
Lakers 123
Sixers 107

[baseline bum]

Ep 10 Promised land.

What a joke. Why not just show how the Lakers really won the game with Magic having the game of his life? What could make a better Laker Winning story then what really happened?
Instead the bullshit super close 4th quarter and last minute shot 1 point win. Dissing Dr. J too with some fantacy dunk over him.

Reality?
Lakers 123
Sixers 107

Game wasn't 104-103 with 3:00 but it actually was close, 108-103 with 3:00 left. Philly completely fell apart the last 3 minutes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEXnfrs-ZJM

Though comebacks were difficult as hell in that league when no one could shoot the three, when you'd get a new 24 off an offensive rebound or non FT foul, and when intentionally fouling was a waste when teams in the bonus got three shots to make 2 at the FT line.

[Killakobe81]

Also lol, Pearlman's book said Kareem chased bitches at The Forum Club too, he wasn't just going home being Good Jungle Fever Muslim after the games. :lol

Never said he didn’t chase women…
Kobe didn’t party with Shaq Fox etc and still was chasing women

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Hol le chit.
It got within 2!

97 Lakers
95 Sixers and then a super greasy bounce gave Chones the hook shot for +4 again.

103 Lakers
101 Sixers with the ball! Nix missed and they never got close again.

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Ep 10 Promised land.

What a joke. Why not just show how the Lakers really won the game with Magic having the game of his life? What could make a better Laker Winning story then what really happened?
Instead the bullshit super close 4th quarter and last minute shot 1 point win. Dissing Dr. J too with some fantacy dunk over him.

Reality?
Lakers 123
Sixers 107

The scoreboard actually showed 123-107 :lol
I’m still trying to figure out how it went from being a close game down the stretch to double digit lead

[baseline bum]

The scoreboard actually showed 123-107 :lol
I’m still trying to figure out how it went from being a close game down the stretch to double digit lead

It's what actually happened in the real game though. Philly started turning the ball over, jacking up terrible threes, giving up three point plays, they just completely fell apart at the end of that game. Like MultiTroll said, it was actually 103-101 with 5 minutes left so the show lied a bit (they had it 104-103 with 3 minutes left). Was surprised that nasty foul on Michael Cooper was real though went I went back and watched the actual game. It happened a little earlier but they had to use smelling salts to wake him after Darryl Dawkins knocked him right into the floor. Though Magic was doing a moving screen that might have knocked Dawkins off balance and into Cooper on that play. But it was as ugly a hit as it looked on the show, like McHale on Rambis or Rodman on Pippen bad.

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It's what actually happened in the real game though. Philly started turning the ball over, jacking up terrible threes, giving up three point plays, they just completely fell apart at the end of that game. Like MultiTroll said, it was actually 103-101 with 5 minutes left so the show lied a bit (they had it 104-103 with 3 minutes left). Was surprised that nasty foul on Michael Cooper was real though went I went back and watched the actual game. It happened a little earlier but they had to use smelling salts to wake him after Darryl Dawkins knocked him right into the floor. Though Magic was doing a moving screen that might have knocked Dawkins off balance and into Cooper on that play. But it was as ugly a hit as it looked on the show, like McHale on Rambis or Rodman on Pippen bad.

ah ok

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Season 2 start date unknown at this time.
How many more seasons? If this keeps pulling ratings, Barnes says they could go all the way into the 1990s and beyond to Shaq and Kome.

'Winning Time' Season 2: Everything To Know About the HBO Series (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/winning-time-season2-details-hbo-basketball-interview-1704663#:~:text=The%20first%20season%20of%20Winnin g%20Time%3A%20The%20Rise,from%20the%20real-life%20people%20depicted%20in%20Winning%20Time.?ms clkid=1831521bd08111ecb06598d6a6f458d6)

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Season 2 start date unknown at this time.
How many more seasons? If this keeps pulling ratings, Barnes says they could go all the way into the 1990s and beyond to Shaq and Kome.

'Winning Time' Season 2: Everything To Know About the HBO Series (newsweek.com) (https://www.newsweek.com/winning-time-season2-details-hbo-basketball-interview-1704663#:~:text=The%20first%20season%20of%20Winnin g%20Time%3A%20The%20Rise,from%20the%20real-life%20people%20depicted%20in%20Winning%20Time.?ms clkid=1831521bd08111ecb06598d6a6f458d6)
I hope they don't go straight to the Shaq-Kobe era

I want to see Adrian Brody as the head coach, in the last few episodes his Riley mannerisms were on point; I also want to see how they are going to dramatize the Riley-Lakers messy divorce

Tragic conveniently didn't go much into details on that topic in his shitty Apple TV show

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I hope they don't go straight to the Shaq-Kobe era
Noo.
Even if that happens it appears the Snaq Kome era by Winnin Time Continued would be years down the road.

"There's so much stuff that happens in between—like a Shakespearean tragedy. With the players, there's the Larry Bird-Magic Johnson rivalry, the Celtic-Laker rivalry, we've got a lot more story to tell."

[baseline bum]

Was funny in Episode 10 watching Fredo get shitfaced while being completely ignorant about basketball. If only this show continued on to the 2012-13 season.

[ambchang]

They will shine Kobe in the best light now he’s dead. Shaq, mvpau, KFC, Kwame, smush, snitch et all will be dragged through the mud.

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Has the story leaked yet why this show hates Westhead so much?

[baseline bum]

Has the story leaked yet why this show hates Westhead so much?

Easy target since he did eventually end up in over his head and the players hated him the next season? They really do make him look like shit though and elevate Haywood like Westhead was just being a dick to him.

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Some good takes from Paul Westhead here:
Video interview: (at time of interview only 1 ep of Winnin Time had played, thus no comments on the insecure high anxiety spin that Winnin Time fabricates.)
Link:
Winning Time, Coach Paul Westhead and The True Story: The Dr Brian McDonough Show - Bing video (https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Westhead+on+winning+time&view=detail&mid=D9706C81568BEAD03412D9706C81568BEAD03412&FORM=VIRE&msclkid=f5f20f70d0ce11ecbfbc13e31b47e381)

Cliffs:
Did not slow down the fast break, rather comments that Magic was def not recovered from his knee injury in 1981. Infers that he himself (Westhead) wanted to keep the fast break going and Fagic was having problems because of his injury.

Riley: Way ahead of his time with video prep for strategy and games.

Notes that he must be one of the only coaches in any sport to be fired after winning 5 games in a row. :lol

West: never saw the Angry Bird portrayal HBO makes.

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Easy target since he did eventually end up in over his head and the players hated him the next season? They really do make him look like shit though and elevate Haywood like Westhead was just being a dick to him.
I'm all ears. Above video has me questioning how many players hated him or if it was simply Bitch Magic who got Westhead ousted.

Westhead addresses in part the Haywood issue and said it was basically all season long he was a problem.

Also Westhead said the coaching part of the team was rather easy, the agents wanting special treatment for players was a problem.

[baseline bum]

I'm all ears. Above video has me questioning how many players hated him or if it was simply Bitch Magic who got Westhead ousted.


Not according to Pearlman, said Westhead was pissing the team off changing the offense at the beginning of the 80-81 season long before Magic got hurt. Think I'd take his word as more unbiased than Westhead's.



Westhead addresses in part the Haywood issue and said it was basically all season long he was a problem.


Pearlman says the same and that Westhead got the players' respect by benching Haywood. Funny thing is Haywood thought he was another star on the team to the point he changed his number from 24 to 31 so he could form a big three with Haywood 31, Magic 32, Kareem 33. Still thought he was the dominant player he was in Seattle and not the fuck up druggie he was on the Knicks.

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Sunday, August 6th 2023.

S2 Ep 1

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S2 E1

Credit the writers for not making too much flowery Laker propaganda to start season 2.
80-81 Fagics injured knee.
Did he return too soon as Westhead suggests?

Liked how the Johnson parents stepped up and told Magic any ideas of being an absentee father to known bio baby #1 Andre, he could shove right up his ass. Kudos. In fact Fagic was going to try to buy her silence as egged on by his biz manager and skanky female lawyer per the show. Wonder how much of that was fabricated?

Also looks like they are not going to gloss over 1984. The ep lays a good foundation and looks like next ep will continue to show the downfall in 84. You know that's all about winning in 1985 after Bird breaks his hand and back. But still at least they acknowledge 84.

Cookie is a mystery to me. Did she actually love his arrogant ass or was she just along for the mega bucks?

Assuming the next couple eps will also show a good portion of 1982s Champ year.

[baseline bum]

Funniest part of Pearlman's book was the Lakers were begging Ralph Sampson to declare for the 1982 draft so they could replace Kareem with him since they had the #1 pick. But Sampson said no. Same shit happened in the 1980 draft when the Celtics had the #1 pick and were begging Sampson to declare. When he didn't they traded the pick to Golden State for Robert Parish and the #3 pick (Kevin McHale) and Golden State took scrub ass Joe Barry Carroll.

[TD 21]

Funniest part of Pearlman's book was the Lakers were begging Ralph Sampson to declare for the 1982 draft so they could replace Kareem with him since they had the #1 pick. But Sampson said no. Same shit happened in the 1980 draft when the Celtics had the #1 pick and were begging Sampson to declare. When he didn't they traded the pick to Golden State for Robert Parish and the #3 pick (Kevin McHale) and Golden State took scrub ass Joe Barry Carroll.

Joe Barely Cares . . . funny how teams thought back then. As if Sampson couldn't have started at the four in that era (which of course he ended up doing anyway) or Drexler couldn't have started at the three (Bowie over Jordan).

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Joe Barely Cares . . . funny how teams thought back then. As if Sampson couldn't have started at the four in that era (which of course he ended up doing anyway) or Drexler couldn't have started at the three (Bowie over Jordan).

Drafting Bowie made sense as he was healthy at the moment and they had Cluds, and while he was no Hakeem, he was a good center.

[lefty]

Funniest part of Pearlman's book was the Lakers were begging Ralph Sampson to declare for the 1982 draft so they could replace Kareem with him since they had the #1 pick. But Sampson said no. Same shit happened in the 1980 draft when the Celtics had the #1 pick and were begging Sampson to declare. When he didn't they traded the pick to Golden State for Robert Parish and the #3 pick (Kevin McHale) and Golden State took scrub ass Joe Barry Carroll.

Older Jabbar had more longevity than Sampson, Lakers dodged a bullet.
Sure the twin towers destroyed L.A in 86, but after that Ralph’s career went downhill because of injuries.

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Drafting Bowie made sense as he was healthy at the moment and they had Cluds, and while he was no Hakeem, he was a good center.

I'm not necessarily debating that and don't know who "Cluds" is (Thompson?), I'm just saying many have claimed over the years that they went Bowie at least in part because Jordan "played the same position" as Drexler.

[baseline bum]

Drafting Bowie made sense as he was healthy at the moment and they had Cluds, and while he was no Hakeem, he was a good center.

Bowie had missed two seasons at Kentucky, no way I would have drafted him #2. Though he lied and said he wasn't having knee pain. But they could have taken Perkins or Barkley if they were determined to land a big over Jordan since they already had Drexler.

[baseline bum]

Older Jabbar had more longevity than Sampson, Lakers dodged a bullet.
Sure the twin towers destroyed L.A in 86, but after that Ralph’s career went downhill because of injuries.

Always wonder what Sampson's career would have been like had he declared in 82 and gone to the Lakers. That would have been the perfect situation for him and played to all the strengths in his game without beating him up down low. By 86 the players wanted Kareem out because he couldn't run with them.

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I'm not necessarily debating that and don't know who "Cluds" is (Thompson?), I'm just saying many have claimed over the years that they went Bowie at least in part because Jordan "played the same position" as Drexler.

:lol wtf I meant Clyde

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Always wonder what Sampson's career would have been like had he declared in 82 and gone to the Lakers. That would have been the perfect situation for him
Not to be discounted at all is the benefit of LakerRef.

While the East had Robert Parish, Barkley, Mo Malone, Rutledge and others going at it Kream was pussyfooted by Laker Stern and the super soft West after he took out Houston.

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Always wonder what Sampson's career would have been like had he declared in 82 and gone to the Lakers. That would have been the perfect situation for him and played to all the strengths in his game without beating him up down low. By 86 the players wanted Kareem out because he couldn't run with them.

Bah the Lakers drafted Worthy in 82, it was the perfect addition

The Lakers had some shitty players tbh, the fact the players wanted him out for that reason while he had other strengths and the fact Pat Riley could make adjustments, which he did, is verry shitty tbh

In 1992, Scott and Green said Magic shouldn’t play the ASG because he was retired.
I’m sure they meant another reason, but that’s what they said
Very supportive: :lol

Magic was a coach killer.
Riley thought he was bigger than the team in 89-90 and micromanaged everything (at least he admitted his mistake a few years later in an interview).
Magic led a mutiny that included Coop, Scott and Green and Riley left.



Worthy and Rambis seem to be good dudes though

[TD 21]

:lol wtf I meant Clyde

That's my point though. Preference is one thing, but that's not what so many have claimed.

It's like the term wing wasn't in the lexicon yet.

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Magic was a coach killer.
1981 Playoff elimination loss to Houston 89-86.

Fagic:
2-14 FGs
6-11 FTs

Lakers team 22-35 FTs
Rockets 21-22

Magic :cry I want a new coach :cry

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1981 Playoff elimination loss to Houston 89-86.

Fagic:
2-14 FGs
6-11 FTs

Lakers team 22-35 FTs
Rockets 21-22

Magic :cry I want a new coach :cry

:cry “it’s not fun anymore :cry I want to run”

Riley : “well, both Dr Buss and Magic want fancy ball, so I guess we’ll run if I want to keep my job”

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1981 Playoff elimination loss to Houston 89-86.

Fagic:
2-14 FGs
6-11 FTs

Lakers team 22-35 FTs
Rockets 21-22

Magic :cry I want a new coach :cry


...and he's the 1 who led us out of the darkness. Without him we'd still be hiding under the furniture afraid to show our faces Vs. Boston. A Black man took White men and fellow Blacks to the promised land, freed West from cruising Los Angeles while the games were being fought over. Freed Dale from cruising the streets of Cleveland while the games were being fought over. Took the yoke of leadership from Jabbar and made him whole once and again.

And Magic did it all thru goodness and acknowledged competition, not thru hatred and a quest for vengeance, which was and remains Dale's way whether it was the Celtics then, or President Trump now and for the rest of my life. Magic slain the Celtics with kindness and the spirit of goodness thru our shared competition, not to fool them, but to engage them on a plain where the 2 teams/franchises had never ventured nor dwelled.

Magic is akin to SS...who christened us with (Rocky) and with "Rambo, John J.?"

Yes, GD, yes, these 2 men did it for the $, but also for the divinity their boundless, fearless labors delivered unto us all.

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S2 E2

Did Fagic really fail to hit wide open players and instead choke an airball to end the Lakers season in Houston Game 3 elimination?
Here it is folks:

https://youtu.be/JS34DfKRd5Y
Did Westhead really Veto David Thompson for Norm Nixon? Lakers were playing well with Nixon.

[Thread]

S2 E2

Did Fagic really fail to hit wide open players and instead choke an airball to end the Lakers season in Houston Game 3 elimination?
Here it is folks:

https://youtu.be/JS34DfKRd5Y
Did Westhead really Veto David Thompson for Norm Nixon? Lakers were playing well with Nixon.


Absolutely. Then after the '84 debacle(s)Dallas/Boston he grabbed the proverbial "jacks & timbers and started back down"...taught himself how to shoot from outside and that was his/our deliverance. Boston tried to end him/us in '84 and came this||close to achieving that end. But instead drawing inward/hiding as West, Baylor, Dale, Jabbar, et al had done time immemorial Johnson did the opposite and flourished and the glorious man took us with him.

It was his finest hour.

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Ep 3 The Second Coming

Baseline Bum or others with tech skill we have got to get this scene into a one stop YouTube or Twitter that we can click on.
I mean it is classic i am sure you will agree.
Magic summer of 81 is at a basketball camp in Lansing. He tells the kids to let the ball roll off their fingers when shooting. Takes a shot, makes it and says "See, easy as pie."
Oh my cue the Lansing kids responses:

1 So easy why aint you do that against Houston? (81 choker airball to end the game and Laker playoffs)
2 That was one of the worst shots I've ever seen im my life, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE." :lmao
3 Ended the whole damn season. Shame, shame shame.

It goes on, you guys will see it.

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Props to the producers and writers for totally going into the Lakers 81 playoff loss and offseason. Included is a ton of Bird background.
I knew his dad died but did not know it was suicide. Phuck! Was it in part because Larry left Indiana U?

Westhead indeed gets power trippy and Bum is there where you will tell us Pearlmans book says as much?
Cutting Chones and going to CheapShotChak they made it seem like Westheads the driving force behind that move.

As to giving Fagic a HUGE contract extension, WTH was up with that? Did Buss really believe / know that Fagic would have a long career? Coming off that knee injury airball?
Wow. Wonder if the TV deals had already been scammed in place between Buss, Stern and the NBA corruption?
Timing just seems weird that Fagic would be given the huge extension in summer 81 vs summer 82 when they won Champ 2 of 3.

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Props to the producers and writers for totally going into the Lakers 81 playoff loss and offseason. Included is a ton of Bird background.
I knew his dad died but did not know it was suicide. Phuck! Was it in part because Larry left Indiana U?

Westhead indeed gets power trippy and Bum is there where you will tell us Pearlmans book says as much?
Cutting Chones and going to CheapShotChak they made it seem like Westheads the driving force behind that move.

As to giving Fagic a HUGE contract extension, WTH was up with that? Did Buss really believe / know that Fagic would have a long career? Coming off that knee injury airball?
Wow. Wonder if the TV deals had already been scammed in place between Buss, Stern and the NBA corruption?
Timing just seems weird that Fagic would be given the huge extension in summer 81 vs summer 82 when they won Champ 2 of 3.

See, Mult, MSM protected White Bird. Until this very moment I didn't know his father had done the Dutch. That's how it went then...Celtics were protected, that was rule number 1. Rule #2? Obey all rules.

You've enjoyed (that) protection as well. When Duncan's White wife left him in the middle of the Finals, nary mention was made of that outside this site. Cost you that NBA World Title, though you did get the $ when you sold your shit before departing South Florida.

muhahahahahaha!!!

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Ep 3 The Second Coming

Baseline Bum or others with tech skill we have got to get this scene into a one stop YouTube or Twitter that we can click on.
I mean it is classic i am sure you will agree.
Magic summer of 81 is at a basketball camp in Lansing. He tells the kids to let the ball roll off their fingers when shooting. Takes a shot, makes it and says "See, easy as pie."
Oh my cue the Lansing kids responses:

1 So easy why aint you do that against Houston? (81 choker airball to end the game and Laker playoffs)
2 That was one of the worst shots I've ever seen im my life, AND I'VE BEEN AROUND A WHILE." :lmao
3 Ended the whole damn season. Shame, shame shame.

It goes on, you guys will see it.

...and we did see it, took Magic 2 more seasons after the '82 Championship to look inward and not fall into the depths of shit that West, Baylor, Jabbar, Dale, et al had fallen into time immorical. "Oh, poor me." "Oh, Dale, what are you going to do now?". You know the drill, Mult. The Celtics knew, absolutely knew beyond any other thought that he was the key to their survival and went after him with vicious vengeance. Instead of hollering back and losing his cool like Dale did, you know what that glorious Black man did, Mult? Taught himself how to shoot from outside twixt June of '84...went to Massachusetts on 9 June 1985, and left those fucks where he found 'em, dead in the ground.

2 seasons later we left those fucks in Los Angeles, once and again...dead in the ground.

& once again, Mult, my heartfelt thanks for leaving the Suns...dead in the ground.

- Dale

[ambchang]

See, Mult, MSM protected White Bird. Until this very moment I didn't know his father had done the Dutch. That's how it went then...Celtics were protected, that was rule number 1. Rule #2? Obey all rules.

You've enjoyed (that) protection as well. When Duncan's White wife left him in the middle of the Finals, nary mention was made of that outside this site. Cost you that NBA World Title, though you did get the $ when you sold your shit before departing South Florida.

muhahahahahaha!!!
What the hell? Both events were well known. They talked about Bird senior suicide over the phone in books and basketball documentaries. They talked about Duncan’s divorce on news articles. Stop trying to rewrite history.

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What the hell? Both events were well known. They talked about Bird senior suicide over the phone in books and basketball documentaries. They talked about Duncan’s divorce on news articles. Stop trying to rewrite history.

I don't have to, it's right there in Florida. No mention was made about Duncan's problems during those finals. When he missed that bunny nary mention was made of his White wife & the Mexican. When he bent over and smacked that Florida wood nary mention was made of any of it. He-was-left-alone, by prior arrangement and guarantees. You know what (they) was waiting on don't ya, amb? Yeah, you know. They was waitin' for him to persevere thru it..."Yes, Tim Duncan has persevered thru family issues that we need not get into because he has succeeded where others have failed...(wink & nod to Kobe before he augered in there on that CA. hillside)...Tim Duncan, under the auspices of arguably the greatest coach in NBA history after Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics helped his center by counseling him to 'Keep going, Tim. You can do it, son.' And Tim Duncan has done it. Oh, has he done it. And to their credit the Miami Heat players, every last one are in full of support of Tim Duncan, yes, I kid you not. We're going to take a station break now so that the Spurs can sell their shit before heading back to the Texas Republic."

You can sell your shit to these other guys, amb, but don't try it on me. I know precisely where that old bear shits in the buckwheat, son. Now,

Let us proceed...

[baseline bum]

Props to the producers and writers for totally going into the Lakers 81 playoff loss and offseason. Included is a ton of Bird background.
I knew his dad died but did not know it was suicide. Phuck! Was it in part because Larry left Indiana U?

Westhead indeed gets power trippy and Bum is there where you will tell us Pearlmans book says as much?
Cutting Chones and going to CheapShotChak they made it seem like Westheads the driving force behind that move.

As to giving Fagic a HUGE contract extension, WTH was up with that? Did Buss really believe / know that Fagic would have a long career? Coming off that knee injury airball?
Wow. Wonder if the TV deals had already been scammed in place between Buss, Stern and the NBA corruption?
Timing just seems weird that Fagic would be given the huge extension in summer 81 vs summer 82 when they won Champ 2 of 3.

According to Pearlman the players hated Westhead's offense he brought in for 80-81. Like it was some simplistic highschool shit where players went to the same spots every possession instead of the wide open McKinney offense they won the 79-80 title with. Westhead had to go and I don't think it reflects badly on Magic at all for getting him out of there so they could go back to running McKinney's offense under Riley.

Also Buss made that offer because he knew it was way less than what Magic was worth. For instance, by 84-85 Bird was pulling nearly $2 million a year. Though Buss ended up renegotiating that $25 million deal with Magic anyways for 87-88 once it was clear Magic's market value was far more than $1 million a year.

[baseline bum]

See, Mult, MSM protected White Bird. Until this very moment I didn't know his father had done the Dutch. That's how it went then...Celtics were protected, that was rule number 1. Rule #2? Obey all rules.

You've enjoyed (that) protection as well. When Duncan's White wife left him in the middle of the Finals, nary mention was made of that outside this site. Cost you that NBA World Title, though you did get the $ when you sold your shit before departing South Florida.

muhahahahahaha!!!

God damn you're a casual, cubby. How the hell does any 80s fan not know Bird's dad killed himself?

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God damn you're a casual, cubby. How the hell does any 80s fan not know Bird's dad killed himself?

I done told ya, bum; they quashed that fact in the circa to protect him and the Boston Celtics, Incorporated. It was common practice then and is still practiced in this circa. Sure, it's swapped out White for Black, but it's still there, just in a divergent form to accommodate Black instead of White.

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Also Buss made that offer because he knew it was way less than what Magic was worth. For instance, by 84-85 Bird was pulling nearly $2 million a year.
But the timing. After Magics choke job, wasn't his knee in question?
Or did Buss have enough Laker Dr.s look at it and declare no problems going forward?
Just seems like that offer after the 1982 Chip would have made much more sense.

But again, i do not underestimate how much ref and NBA cock that Buss may have been sucking to set up a marketing deal far in advance.
The Laker Way.

I'm tryna find YouTube of the Celts - Sixers Game 3 in 1982 that put the Celts in a hole down 2-1. 99-97 would like to see how the final shots came down.
Major disappointment by the Sixers in 82 Finals.

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I see what you mean Bum, Pearlmans book fills in a lot of the Qs.
Gracias.

Winning Time: How bad did things get with the Lakers after 1981 collapse? - Silver Screen and Roll (https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/8/21/23831698/winning-time-fact-check-paul-westhead-magic-johnson-dr-jerry-buss-mitch-kupchak)

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But the timing. After Magics choke job, wasn't his knee in question?
Or did Buss have enough Laker Dr.s look at it and declare no problems going forward?
Just seems like that offer after the 1982 Chip would have made much more sense.

But again, i do not underestimate how much ref and NBA cock that Buss may have been sucking to set up a marketing deal far in advance.
The Laker Way.

I'm tryna find YouTube of the Celts - Sixers Game 3 in 1982 that put the Celts in a hole down 2-1. 99-97 would like to see how the final shots came down.
Major disappointment by the Sixers in 82 Finals.

Only pussies & assholes blame the officiating, Mult.

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I see what you mean Bum, Pearlmans book fills in a lot of the Qs.
Gracias.

Winning Time: How bad did things get with the Lakers after 1981 collapse? - Silver Screen and Roll (https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/8/21/23831698/winning-time-fact-check-paul-westhead-magic-johnson-dr-jerry-buss-mitch-kupchak)

...you have to find bottom and hit it direct in order to rise, sweetheart. We hit said bottom in the Summer of '84.

Magic grabbed the requisite number of jacks & timbers, whipped his Lakers + Dale like an overseer and started back down sworn to a 100-game grailed quest ending in Massachusetts on 9 June 1985.

Let us proceed...

[ambchang]

I don't have to, it's right there in Florida. No mention was made about Duncan's problems during those finals. When he missed that bunny nary mention was made of his White wife & the Mexican. When he bent over and smacked that Florida wood nary mention was made of any of it. He-was-left-alone, by prior arrangement and guarantees. You know what (they) was waiting on don't ya, amb? Yeah, you know. They was waitin' for him to persevere thru it..."Yes, Tim Duncan has persevered thru family issues that we need not get into because he has succeeded where others have failed...(wink & nod to Kobe before he augered in there on that CA. hillside)...Tim Duncan, under the auspices of arguably the greatest coach in NBA history after Red Auerbach of the Boston Celtics helped his center by counseling him to 'Keep going, Tim. You can do it, son.' And Tim Duncan has done it. Oh, has he done it. And to their credit the Miami Heat players, every last one are in full of support of Tim Duncan, yes, I kid you not. We're going to take a station break now so that the Spurs can sell their shit before heading back to the Texas Republic."

You can sell your shit to these other guys, amb, but don't try it on me. I know precisely where that old bear shits in the buckwheat, son. Now,

Let us proceed...

Buddy, not being known at the moment is very different from not known. In fact, spurstalk didn’t know about it then because the spurs kept it in house. He was t going through a divorce then. He was getting cucked.

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Buddy, not being known at the moment is very different from not known. In fact, spurstalk didn’t know about it then because the spurs kept it in house. He was t going through a divorce then. He was getting cucked.

Sure, your people kept it tight and then were assisted in keeping it tight from MSM. They'd a had a fuckin' field day with a large market specimen, but, you're lucky, same here in this hidden away desert. These (2 areas) are where MSM can brag at their smokers that they "did it right and kept it private. See, we're not the animals you make us out to be, harumphh!" Then they immediately target some poor schmuck in a large market and blast his hair all over the walls, some of collateral damage because they were FORCED to lay off in the Tonio & this desert. You know a little extra kick to the poor guy, shove it to him just a little deeper because you missed it in our places.

The vast lion's share of this country still doesn't know he was divorced, must less cucked, amb. MSM will not cast him down like that, A. Because his wife was White. B. Because the other guy was dark. It's way too juicy for these sight lines. It'd go nowhere. (They) don't want to think of Duncan like that, no way. Kobe in fancy-schmancy Los Angeles, California? Yes, definitely (climbing over one another like rats for it), but not Duncan is south Texas, uh, uh. There is absolutely no commerce to be made that way.

Spurs Inc. "We want to keep it in-house."
MSM/NBA HQ. "No problem, you don't even owe us one. This one is on us. It'll be like it never happened outside San Antonio except for that asshole old fuck in Phoenix. He wont' listen to reason, we've tried, everything."

[ambchang]

Sure, your people kept it tight and then were assisted in keeping it tight from MSM. They'd a had a fuckin' field day with a large market specimen, but, you're lucky, same here in this hidden away desert. These (2 areas) are where MSM can brag at their smokers that they "did it right and kept it private. See, we're not the animals you make us out to be, harumphh!" Then they immediately target some poor schmuck in a large market and blast his hair all over the walls, some of collateral damage because they were FORCED to lay off in the Tonio & this desert. You know a little extra kick to the poor guy, shove it to him just a little deeper because you missed it in our places.

The vast lion's share of this country still doesn't know he was divorced, must less cucked, amb. MSM will not cast him down like that, A. Because his wife was White. B. Because the other guy was dark. It's way too juicy for these sight lines. It'd go nowhere. (They) don't want to think of Duncan like that, no way. Kobe in fancy-schmancy Los Angeles, California? Yes, definitely (climbing over one another like rats for it), but not Duncan is south Texas, uh, uh. There is absolutely no commerce to be made that way.

Spurs Inc. "We want to keep it in-house."
MSM/NBA HQ. "No problem, you don't even owe us one. This one is on us. It'll be like it never happened outside San Antonio except for that asshole old fuck in Phoenix. He wont' listen to reason, we've tried, everything."

Nobody cared when the spurs won, they are boring, they are too old. So nobody cares when a player got divorced. Kobes seperatiin was kept about as quiet as can be, most kobe Stan’s don’t even know about it, or won’t mention it. And this comes from a huge market where everything they do got magnified a thousand times.

Kobes rape got swept under the rug after a few years and he got lionized as some great father and pioneer of women sports. He got fawned over my the wokest of the woke by Hollywood during the #metoo movement. It’s a joke.

[lefty]

Spurs just tried to save their “so fucking nice :cry” reputation tbh

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Nobody cared when the spurs won, they are boring, they are too old. So nobody cares when a player got divorced. Kobes seperatiin was kept about as quiet as can be, most kobe Stan’s don’t even know about it, or won’t mention it. And this comes from a huge market where everything they do got magnified a thousand times.

Kobes rape got swept under the rug after a few years and he got lionized as some great father and pioneer of women sports. He got fawned over my the wokest of the woke by Hollywood during the #metoo movement. It’s a joke.

Don't echo my shit about Duncan onto Kobe, amb. That kind of tact is beneath you, or, so I heartily believed. Get your own shit. That's my shit.

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Spurs just tried to save their “so fucking nice :cry” reputation tbh

Exactly, lefty, and they succeeded splendidly, he wasn't dinged an iota outside these Boards.

I owe though, Duncan and that crew did me solids one after another when the Lakers were down and out and I had no one to block the Suns. The Spurs blocked the doorway, would not let them pass. I still remember the night, had to 15 years ago when I left the house at the insistence of the wife because I kep turning off the television of the Spurs/Suns. "Out, Dale, out and I mean right now. These children want to watch the game not bit and pieces. Get out."

"Fine, fine, I'm goin'."

"It's okay, ma, let him stay."

"No, no, I'm goin'."

"I go up to the strip mall and there is an out door bar in the parking lot area with fake palm trees and other foliage surroundiong it. I couldn not bear to walk in there like a normal man and look at that score. I paced back and forth in front of Barnes and Noble for at least a half hour when I figured it jad tp be over. I crept close and stuck my head thru that foliage and there was Duncan, Parker and Ginobilli sittin right next to one another getting interviewed on the TV. I was so fuckn' happy. I drove home picked up the children and we went Arby's and cleaned 'em out of those Cherry Pies.

I owe the Spurs a lot. God bless 'em.

[ambchang]

Don't echo my shit about Duncan onto Kobe, amb. That kind of tact is beneath you, or, so I heartily believed. Get your own shit. That's my shit.

It’s not echoing, it’s reality. You say they (the media) doesn’t air the spurs dirty laundry. Compared to what? Of course it’s compared to your favourite team, the lakers. Which history has shown to be more favoured by the media than the spurs. You can’t complain about it when you get treated better than everyone else.

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It’s not echoing, it’s reality. You say they (the media) doesn’t air the spurs dirty laundry. Compared to what? Of course it’s compared to your favourite team, the lakers. Which history has shown to be more favoured by the media than the spurs. You can’t complain about it when you get treated better than everyone else.

We were and continue to be used by Media. Your Spurs have always enjoyed protection and a guarantee of that protection in times of toil and trouble, so, you had something to count on, a surety bond. When Pop let Kiwi get away nobody outside of this site took him to task, not one peep. When you left South Florida without it nobody said one word outside this site. Not a peep. When has Media ever forsaken your Spurs, amb?

The Lakers were cast down by the Celtics in the '50's and kept there by Media (outside of Los Angeles///& inside Los Angeles) for 30 years. It was a national pastime to keep up down, to starve us out. Magic freed us and there was a lot of flat ears and tight lipped afterward. I remember the CBS telecast...it was like somebody had died, or, lost money. Low tones, a pall had been cast.

You've never been done that way, amb, ever. It's just the way it is for your Spurs. You're hidden down there and there is no upside (no commerce) to persecuting you or your franchise.

Count your blessings.

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It’s not echoing, it’s reality. You say they (the media) doesn’t air the spurs dirty laundry. Compared to what? Of course it’s compared to your favourite team, the lakers. Which history has shown to be more favoured by the media than the spurs. You can’t complain about it when you get treated better than everyone else.
Try finding out where Kream Jabbars son Adam served his sentence for knifing a neighbor 20 times, leaving him almost dead at the ER driveway.
Kreams liarwyer and paid off judge where shooting for 6 months home confinement.

[MultiTroll]

^ Our best chance to find out what really happened to Kreams media pampered son is here:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's Son Adam Sued in Stabbing Attack (litigation-update.com) (https://litigation-update.com/kareem-abdul-jabbars-son-sued-in-stabbing/)

[ambchang]

We were and continue to be used by Media. Your Spurs have always enjoyed protection and a guarantee of that protection in times of toil and trouble, so, you had something to count on, a surety bond. When Pop let Kiwi get away nobody outside of this site took him to task, not one peep. When you left South Florida without it nobody said one word outside this site. Not a peep. When has Media ever forsaken your Spurs, amb?

The Lakers were cast down by the Celtics in the '50's and kept there by Media (outside of Los Angeles///& inside Los Angeles) for 30 years. It was a national pastime to keep up down, to starve us out. Magic freed us and there was a lot of flat ears and tight lipped afterward. I remember the CBS telecast...it was like somebody had died, or, lost money. Low tones, a pall had been cast.

You've never been done that way, amb, ever. It's just the way it is for your Spurs. You're hidden down there and there is no upside (no commerce) to persecuting you or your franchise.

Count your blessings.

The bloody hell are you talking about. The 13 shot is on play 24/7 for a decade now. Hakeem outplaying robinson has been exaggerated to a point of mythical. The lakers were constantly protected by the media. When they falter it’s because the competition is fierce. When they win it’s because they were the best ever.

[lefty]

Exactly, lefty, and they succeeded splendidly, he wasn't dinged an iota outside these Boards.

I owe though, Duncan and that crew did me solids one after another when the Lakers were down and out and I had no one to block the Suns. The Spurs blocked the doorway, would not let them pass. I still remember the night, had to 15 years ago when I left the house at the insistence of the wife because I kep turning off the television of the Spurs/Suns. "Out, Dale, out and I mean right now. These children want to watch the game not bit and pieces. Get out."

"Fine, fine, I'm goin'."

"It's okay, ma, let him stay."

"No, no, I'm goin'."

"I go up to the strip mall and there is an out door bar in the parking lot area with fake palm trees and other foliage surroundiong it. I couldn not bear to walk in there like a normal man and look at that score. I paced back and forth in front of Barnes and Noble for at least a half hour when I figured it jad tp be over. I crept close and stuck my head thru that foliage and there was Duncan, Parker and Ginobilli sittin right next to one another getting interviewed on the TV. I was so fuckn' happy. I drove home picked up the children and we went Arby's and cleaned 'em out of those Cherry Pies.

I owe the Spurs a lot. God bless 'em.

God bless the Lakers for taking out the Golden State Phaggots this year tbh

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God bless the Lakers for taking out the Golden State Phaggots this year tbh

Just dumb luck.

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The bloody hell are you talking about. The 13 shot is on play 24/7 for a decade now. Hakeem outplaying robinson has been exaggerated to a point of mythical. The lakers were constantly protected by the media. When they falter it’s because the competition is fierce. When they win it’s because they were the best ever.

[[[The 13 shot is on play 24/7 for a decade now.]]] What is that, amb, I don't understand?

Hakeem, at prime was unbeatable. But when that prime came to a close, it was all over but the shoutin'. He went off the cliff.

Duncan made Robinson (whole)...remember (they) was in the process of crucifying Robinson when Duncan came aboard. That was it...in the words of "THe Fresh Prince of Bel-air"..."You don't have to go home, but you have to get the hell outta here."

Duncan cut Robinson down from the gallows and the rest is history....Duncan could be the God Atlas, no problem whatsoever. He did not take notice, just soldiered. Robinson could not be that. He was tender and afraid. It happens.

[ambchang]

[[[The 13 shot is on play 24/7 for a decade now.]]] What is that, amb, I don't understand?

Hakeem, at prime was unbeatable. But when that prime came to a close, it was all over but the shoutin'. He went off the cliff.

Duncan made Robinson (whole)...remember (they) was in the process of crucifying Robinson when Duncan came aboard. That was it...in the words of "THe Fresh Prince of Bel-air"..."You don't have to go home, but you have to get the hell outta here."

Duncan cut Robinson down from the gallows and the rest is history....Duncan could be the God Atlas, no problem whatsoever. He did not take notice, just soldiered. Robinson could not be that. He was tender and afraid. It happens.

The Ray Allen 2013 game 6 shot. It’s on incessantly.

As for robinson it helps to have some decent players around you instead of Avery Johnson and Vinny del negro as your starting backcourt.

[lefty]

Just dumb luck.Whatever it takes

[lefty]

The Ray Allen 2013 game 6 shot. It’s on incessantly.

As for robinson it helps to have some decent players around you instead of Avery Johnson and Vinny del negro as your starting backcourt.

yep
Hakeem had an army of elite shooters in the shortened 3 pt era.
We are also talking about clutch shooters - Cassell, Horry, Elie
Drexler was a great 2nd banana too

Meanwhile the Spurs had Elliott bricking FT’s, a shitty backcourt and Rodman and Hill fighting each other like school girls.

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Whatever it takes

Word.

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yep
Hakeem had an army of elite shooters in the shortened 3 pt era.
We are also talking about clutch shooters - Cassell, Horry, Elie
Drexler was a great 2nd banana too

Meanwhile the Spurs had Elliott bricking FT’s, a shitty backcourt and Rodman and Hill fighting each other like school girls.

Christ, can't believe it's that far away, it's like yesterday in the mind.

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The Ray Allen 2013 game 6 shot. It’s on incessantly.

As for robinson it helps to have some decent players around you instead of Avery Johnson and Vinny del negro as your starting backcourt.

Yep, they tried pushing del negro forever. They just wouldn't let go. It got to be that one would kinda believe he was THAT good. LOL.

[ambchang]

Yep, they tried pushing del negro forever. They just wouldn't let go. It got to be that one would kinda believe he was THAT good. LOL.

The only thing worse than del negro as a starting guard is del negro as a coach.

[lefty]

The only thing worse than del negro as a starting guard is del negro as a coach.
John Paxson tried to attack Del Negro during their tenure in Chicago
Terrible player/coach vs a POS contaminated by Jordan.

[baseline bum]

The only thing worse than del negro as a starting guard is del negro as a coach.

Disagree, nothing was worse than Del Negro as a starting guard. Thank you cheap ass Red McCombs bringing that fuck in because you didn't want to pay Rod Strickland.

[baseline bum]

Yep, they tried pushing del negro forever. They just wouldn't let go. It got to be that one would kinda believe he was THAT good. LOL.

It was funny in 1999 seeing every fat woman in San Antonio complain that Vinny was gone once Pop replaced his scrub ass with the battle hardened Mario Elie.

[ambchang]

It’s funny how a players ranking, at the end of the day, is so he’s joy influenced by narratives concocted by the media.

Magic isn’t better than bird, he’s not even equal. And this coming from a big magic fan. Bird was just better and the o oh thing that stopped him was the driveway.

Hakeem wasn’t much better than robinson. But Kenny smith bring on Tv for 20 years will do this for you.

Kobe somehow got much better after he died.

Kareem couldn’t win anything without a top five PG of all time.

There’s a reason most of the greatest players are on big market teams. Part of it was because players wanted to go to those markets due to exposure, but another reason is because the media personalities are fans too, and they are likely from bigger markets or are fans of big market teams.

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You guys i am imploring you, please get the part of Magic addressing the Lansing Camp Kids and them responding by shitting all over him.
It will last among other things, as a response to Laker Trolls from now until future generations.

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It’s funny how a players ranking, at the end of the day, is so he’s joy influenced by narratives concocted by the media.

Magic isn’t better than bird, he’s not even equal. And this coming from a big magic fan. Bird was just better and the o oh thing that stopped him was the driveway.

Hakeem wasn’t much better than robinson. But Kenny smith bring on Tv for 20 years will do this for you.

Kobe somehow got much better after he died.

Kareem couldn’t win anything without a top five PG of all time.

There’s a reason most of the greatest players are on big market teams. Part of it was because players wanted to go to those markets due to exposure, but another reason is because the media personalities are fans too, and they are likely from bigger markets or are fans of big market teams.

Cept Bird let Magic takes his pants down. Bird was a hard nosed White man and let Magic get into his kitchen with all that sweetness & light..."Oh, I love Larry." ---"Larry & me." "Me & Larry." Never referred to him as "Bird." "Bird" is harsh, septic. "Larry" is gentile and warm. The look on Bird's face in those moments of love-in that the NBA insisted upon are painful to watch. It's like he's constipated, but has to go along with it. Did Magic do that to him on purpose like Russell had done Chamberlain a 100 times over? I doubt it. No. Bird just didn't see it coming, nobody did and then once upon him couldn't tell a Black man to bugger off..."Get away from me, we're sworn enemies, motherfucker." So, down went his pants.

Kobe somehow got much better after he died.

He was born again as weird as that is. $ could be made in his resurrection, a whole boodle of it, and everybody cashed in and continue to. He's forever now.

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You guys i am imploring you, please get the part of Magic addressing the Lansing Camp Kids and them responding by shitting all over him.
It will last among other things, as a response to Laker Trolls from now until future generations.

You comin' back from South Florida to the Texas Republic without both your shit & that NBA World Championship beats anything, dad.

[baseline bum]

Tonight's episode made it seem like only Magic had problems with Westhead's offense, but Pearlman's book made it sound like no one really liked the offense. Westhead had earned the respect of the team when he was willing to bench Haywood in 79-80, but he had completely lost them during the 80-81 flameout to Houston.

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Tonight's episode made it seem like only Magic had problems with Westhead's offense, but Pearlman's book made it sound like no one really liked the offense. Westhead had earned the respect of the team when he was willing to bench Haywood in 79-80, but he had completely lost them during the 80-81 flameout to Houston.

You couldn't fuck around with Malone then. You couldn't reason with him///it wasn't in his DNA coupled with him being at max q. He didn't care for that happy-horseshit that the NBA was entering into (and basically have never resurfaced from). He wouldn't do it and we got scared and retreated for lack of a better term. Trying to guard him with Jabbar was humiliating. It just would not work. Malone would cork screw him from the floor on up and use him like a lamp post with the overhanging light/Jabbar's head.

But as quick as Malone hit that ultimate prime it disappeared, and thank Christ---he became mortal and we were able to function again.

[lefty]

Not photoshopped by the way

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4iefKRWYAAjksC?format=webp&name=900x900

[baseline bum]

You couldn't fuck around with Malone then. You couldn't reason with him///it wasn't in his DNA coupled with him being at max q. He didn't care for that happy-horseshit that the NBA was entering into (and basically have never resurfaced from). He wouldn't do it and we got scared and retreated for lack of a better term. Trying to guard him with Jabbar was humiliating. It just would not work. Malone would cork screw him from the floor on up and use him like a lamp post with the overhanging light/Jabbar's head.

But as quick as Malone hit that ultimate prime it disappeared, and thank Christ---he became mortal and we were able to function again.

Was surprised to find out Abdul-Jabbar's interest in going to the Knicks was real, he even asked for a trade to NY or NJ in the offseason after Malone beat him down in 81. Said it was because he wanted to go home but I wonder how much was not liking Westhead vs not liking Magic. Everyone hated Westhead's offense though. Can't believe they lost by 26 to a Spurs team with Ice out, Larry Kenon and James Silas gone, and before they had traded for Mike Mitchell. Westhead lost by 26 to a Spurs team led by fucking Ron Brewer. Should have been fired right there. Glad he'll finally be off the show next episode, his character is so annoying with his constant let me try to sound smart quotes.

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Was surprised to find out Abdul-Jabbar's interest in going to the Knicks was real, he even asked for a trade to NY or NJ in the offseason after Malone beat him down in 81. Said it was because he wanted to go home but I wonder how much was not liking Westhead vs not liking Magic. Everyone hated Westhead's offense though. Can't believe they lost by 26 to a Spurs team with Ice out, Larry Kenon and James Silas gone, and before they had traded for Mike Mitchell. Westhead lost by 26 to a Spurs team led by fucking Ron Brewer. Should have been fired right there. Glad he'll finally be off the show next episode, his character is so annoying with his constant let me try to sound smart quotes.

Yep, Jabbar was never the same mentally after Malone got done with him. Magic held his hand the remainder of the way. Then when Magic needed his hand held, he held his own hand, there was nobody else to do it. And it worked till the AIDs showed up, then all the laughter died in sorrow. Knocked him flat mentally, Karl Malone came after him immediately just to make sure he wouldn't try and brazen it out, and of course Magic went knee jerk and retired on-the-spot instead of just shutting his mouth and staying home. No. He had to rush to a live mic and promptly shit the bed. But that kind of diagnosis in association with the prognosis/in that circa would be enough to knock anybody to their knees. You look back now there was nary need to quit. But Malone, went hard at him.

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Not photoshopped by the way

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F4iefKRWYAAjksC?format=webp&name=900x900


That was the circa where the entire state of Utah took a fit every game with the Lakers, regular season and playoffs. Their bench would rise as one and take a conniption when Magic would waltz down the lane, miss the shot, then the whistle would follow. They'd go nuts off that bench. But we made it thru. Oh, they wanted our ass on a petard, bad. Was it the fat guy coaching, or, was it Sloan by then? I can't place it now.

One of their problems was not the Lakers, but that white PG, Jon...name escapes me. He was good, but he was self-centered on the assists instead of a complete game. That decision by him was insidious to their championship cause.

[baseline bum]

Yep, Jabbar was never the same mentally after Malone got done with him. Magic held his hand the remainder of the way. Then when Magic needed his hand held, he held his own hand, there was nobody else to do it. And it worked till the AIDs showed up, then all the laughter died in sorrow. Knocked him flat mentally, Karl Malone came after him immediately just to make sure he wouldn't try and brazen it out, and of course Magic went knee jerk and retired on-the-spot instead of just shutting his mouth and staying home. No. He had to rush to a live mic and promptly shit the bed. But that kind of diagnosis in association with the prognosis/in that circa would be enough to knock anybody to their knees. You look back now there was nary need to quit. But Malone, went hard at him.

Kareem's always been kind of soft IMO. His last year in Milwaukee he led the Bucks to the lottery in a weak league when half the talent was in the ABA despite having HOF'er Bob Dandridge as a teammate. He crashed and burned in Milwaukeee with Oscar.

Magic was who the Lakers revolved around and he's ridiculously underrated since he didn't score 25 a night. I loved on the show last night seeing Riley flex and make Westhead accept Rambis on the team too (not sure if it actually happened that way). Rambis was fucking legendary how he'd run to sideline to inbound ASAP so the Lakers could be running right off made baskets. Never seen anyone who took inbounding the ball so seriously.

[lefty]

That was the circa where the entire state of Utah took a fit every game with the Lakers, regular season and playoffs. Their bench would rise as one and take a conniption when Magic would waltz down the lane, miss the shot, then the whistle would follow. They'd go nuts off that bench. But we made it thru. Oh, they wanted our ass on a petard, bad. Was it the fat guy coaching, or, was it Sloan by then? I can't place it now.

One of their problems was not the Lakers, but that white PG, Jon...name escapes me. He was good, but he was self-centered on the assists instead of a complete game. That decision by him was insidious to their championship cause.

That cover was from 97 , coach was Sloan

Durihg the 80s/Showtime era, Utah's coach was the fat one, Fran Layden, Solan was his assistant

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Kareem's always been kind of soft IMO. His last year in Milwaukee he led the Bucks to the lottery in a weak league when half the talent was in the ABA despite having HOF'er Bob Dandridge as a teammate. He crashed and burned in Milwaukeee with Oscar.

Magic was who the Lakers revolved around and he's ridiculously underrated since he didn't score 25 a night. I loved on the show last night seeing Riley flex and make Westhead accept Rambis on the team too (not sure if it actually happened that way). Rambis was fucking legendary how he'd run to sideline to inbound ASAP so the Lakers could be running right off made baskets. Never seen anyone who took inbounding the ball so seriously.

But, he rang in Milwaukee Vs. Boston with Robertson. It was just those 3: him, Robertson and Dandridge, and some beater, can remember the name came forward and lent a hand, a back up PG for Robertson's rest times. Oh, CBS was livid. Again, in the immediate aftermath it was like somebody had died, or, worse, lost money.

Once a few seasons passed, media wanted to forget about that Jabbar ring over the Celtics. Musberger was in an interview with Jabbar toward the end and asked him how it felt to have accomplished 5 rings?..."Six."

"Oh, yeah, that one in Milwaukee."

He knew, it was just too ripe to pass up a chance to denigrate Jabbar/Lakers. Media never stops. Ever. It's their religion. The motherfuckers.

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He was soft, bum. But the NBA HQ huddled and set the standards that he'd be afforded and that was the line the rest of the way. Remember when Benson elbowed him and Kareem socked him a good one? Benson was never the same. It broke his honkey heart.

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That cover was from 97 , coach was Sloan

Durihg the 80s/Showtime era, Utah's coach was the fat one, Fran Layden, Solan was his assistant

Thanks for the correction, Lefty. Then he came to the Lakers and I'll be damned if a GD Sun/name escapes me didn't fall on him and fucked him up.

[baseline bum]

But, he rang in Milwaukee Vs. Boston with Robertson. It was just those 3: him, Robertson and Dandridge, and some beater, can remember the name came forward and lent a hand, a back up PG for Robertson's rest times. Oh, CBS was livid. Again, in the immediate aftermath it was like somebody had died, or, worse, lost money.


Once a few seasons passed, media wanted to forget about that Jabbar ring over the Celtics. Musberger was in an interview with Jabbar toward the end and asked him how it felt to have accomplished 5 rings?..."Six."

"Oh, yeah, that one in Milwaukee."

He knew, it was just too ripe to pass up a chance to denigrate Jabbar/Lakers. Media never stops. Ever. It's their religion. The motherfuckers.

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He was soft, bum. But the NBA HQ huddled and set the standards that he'd be afforded and that was the line the rest of the way. Remember when Benson elbowed him and Kareem socked him a good one? Benson was never the same. It broke his honkey heart.

He lost to Boston in 74. He beat Baltimore in 71 against Unseld and Monroe.

[MultiTroll]

Red didn't really leak the news of Fagics 25 contract.
That was lame of the writers.

Otherwise season 4, wow kudos to the writers.

[MultiTroll]

Was surprised to find out Abdul-Jabbar's interest in going to the Knicks was real, he even asked for a trade to NY or NJ in the offseason after Malone beat him down in 81. Said it was because he wanted to go home but I wonder how much was not liking Westhead vs not liking Magic. Everyone hated Westhead's offense though.
Was Westhead really on a power trip like ep 4 showed? He was alienating everyone.

I'm guessing everyone except Kream hated the O?

[baseline bum]

Was Westhead really on a power trip like ep 4 showed? He was alienating everyone.

I'm guessing everyone except Kream hated the O?

Kareem hated it too. The offense was just run to a fixed spot on the floor and shoot as fast as possible.

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He lost to Boston in 74. He beat Baltimore in 71 against Unseld and Monroe.

Christ, where'd I get that idea?

[MultiTroll]

He lost to Boston in 74. He beat Baltimore in 71 against Unseld and Monroe.
Let me guess.
Grandpa Parrott thought Kream beat the Celts in 74? :lol
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/King-Size_Homer.png

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Let me guess.
Grandpa Parrott thought Kream beat the Celts in 74? :lol
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/King-Size_Homer.png

You have me on Ignore, but you're always contemplating me. You silly SOB, you.

[Killakobe81]

It’s funny how a players ranking, at the end of the day, is so he’s joy influenced by narratives concocted by the media.

Magic isn’t better than bird, he’s not even equal. And this coming from a big magic fan. Bird was just better and the o oh thing that stopped him was the driveway.

Hakeem wasn’t much better than robinson. But Kenny smith bring on Tv for 20 years will do this for you.

Kobe somehow got much better after he died.

Kareem couldn’t win anything without a top five PG of all time.

There’s a reason most of the greatest players are on big market teams. Part of it was because players wanted to go to those markets due to exposure, but another reason is because the media personalities are fans too, and they are likely from bigger markets or are fans of big market teams.

I like you Amb but you suffer from the same revisionist history you accuse the media of.
If you are saying peak Bird was better than Magic sure I will bite but Magic beat his ass 3 of the 4 times they faced including college. And don’t give me the Indiana state was overmatched or Magic had kareem excuses when it mattered most Magic made the plays to win those series.
And even if you want to chalk that up to team success (funny how when it’s Duncan it matters around here) Magic career overall easily outpaces Birds Magic is still on some top playoff and finals lists all these years later while Bird has been surpassed on his own franchise by Pierce on many lists. Not saying pierce is better obviously but Magic legacy has lasted further than Birds…
81-86 bird was a supernova and was arguably the best player in the world until MJ but Magic career is still better than his.
As for David great player but come in fam Hakeem was clearly better at the peak of both their powers …

[Killakobe81]

Was Westhead really on a power trip like ep 4 showed? He was alienating everyone.

I'm guessing everyone except Kream hated the O?

Reading the book the show was wise to focus on the SI article …
The players resented the implication that some Shakespearean quoting nerd that never played on any high level …
Had to teach the Lakers how to win …
West Riley and others are quoted as saying how much it rankled the players
And the anyone can fit his system argument was also a tough pill to swallow when players were trying to get contract extensions.
Also that Mitch kupchak move was dumb AF

[lefty]

I like you Amb but you suffer from the same revisionist history you accuse the media of.
If you are saying peak Bird was better than Magic sure I will bite but Magic beat his ass 3 of the 4 times they faced including college. And don’t give me the Indiana state was overmatched or Magic had kareem excuses when it mattered most Magic made the plays to win those series.
And even if you want to chalk that up to team success (funny how when it’s Duncan it matters around here) Magic career overall easily outpaces Birds Magic is still on some top playoff and finals lists all these years later while Bird has been surpassed on his own franchise by Pierce on many lists. Not saying pierce is better obviously but Magic legacy has lasted further than Birds…
81-86 bird was a supernova and was arguably the best player in the world until MJ but Magic career is still better than his.
As for David great player but come in fam Hakeem was clearly better at the peak of both their powers …

Magic didn’t beat Bird , the Lakers beat the Celtics
Bird was a better player than Magic

[Killakobe81]

Magic didn’t beat Bird , the Lakers beat the Celtics
Bird was a better player than Magic

Sure and Timmy didn’t beat dirk Kobe etc.
I just live by reciprocity consistency and loathe hypocrisy

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kareem's always been kind of soft IMO. His last year in Milwaukee he led the Bucks to the lottery in a weak league when half the talent was in the ABA despite having HOF'er Bob Dandridge as a teammate. He crashed and burned in Milwaukeee with Oscar.

Magic was who the Lakers revolved around and he's ridiculously underrated since he didn't score 25 a night. I loved on the show last night seeing Riley flex and make Westhead accept Rambis on the team too (not sure if it actually happened that way). Rambis was fucking legendary how he'd run to sideline to inbound ASAP so the Lakers could be running right off made baskets. Never seen anyone who took inbounding the ball so seriously.

Then missing the playoffs multiple times with LA and other all stars. If anyone was ever a stat padder it was Jabbar.

[baseline bum]

Then missing the playoffs multiple times with LA and other all stars. If anyone was ever a stat padder it was Jabbar.

Crap just saw that I wrote "He crashed and burned in Milwaukee with Oscar" when I meant to write "without Oscar" :pctoss

Most overrated player in league history. Couldn't do shit in LA pre-Magic with HOF teammates like Adrian Dantley, Jamal Wilkes, and Gail Goodrich, plus Norm Nixon who was close to allstar level. No way he should be thought of as on par with Magic, though he is because LA. Meanwhile when Kareem left Magic still led the Lakers to 63 and 58 wins and a Finals appearance in two years.

[ambchang]

I like you Amb but you suffer from the same revisionist history you accuse the media of.
If you are saying peak Bird was better than Magic sure I will bite but Magic beat his ass 3 of the 4 times they faced including college. And don’t give me the Indiana state was overmatched or Magic had kareem excuses when it mattered most Magic made the plays to win those series.
And even if you want to chalk that up to team success (funny how when it’s Duncan it matters around here) Magic career overall easily outpaces Birds Magic is still on some top playoff and finals lists all these years later while Bird has been surpassed on his own franchise by Pierce on many lists. Not saying pierce is better obviously but Magic legacy has lasted further than Birds…
81-86 bird was a supernova and was arguably the best player in the world until MJ but Magic career is still better than his.
As for David great player but come in fam Hakeem was clearly better at the peak of both their powers …

Indiana state was so inferior to Michigan State outside of Magic and Bird that I don't believe I have to go into it. In fact, Michigan State actually practised by having Magic play the role of Bird with a bunch of end of bench players to show how the other guys can stop a one-man team. It's not really a fair fight.

For Lakers vs. Celtics, I actually thought the two teams were almost equal talent-wise. The differences are:
1) The East was so much tougher than the West, the Celtics were totally beat up by the time (and if) they made the finals. I don't recall the Celtics ever playing a sub-500 team in the ECF like the Lakers did (in the WCF). I don't think they went through a sub-500 team in the ECSF too (I may be wrong) but that is the difference between the competition. The Celtics had to go through the 76ers, Pistons, Bucks, Bulls, and to a lesser extent Knicks. Cavs and Hawks to get to the Finals. In the West, I would say none of the teams were as good as the early decade 76ers or late decade Pistons, mid-decade Rockets, late decade Jazz, and late decade Blazers were as good as the Bucks and Bulls, while the Suns and Mavs were the Knicks/Cavs/Hawks level teams. There is a reason the Lakers made the finals 9 times in a 12 year span. The competition was terrible, and none of those teams that beat the Lakers actually went on to beat the East Conference representatives in the finals, which is an indication they beat the Lakers more on match-ups than on being better in talent, which leads to:
2) The Lakers were the better constructed team, with balance in all 5 positions and strong bench. They just match up better with the Celtics because of it. The bench played plenty earlier in the rounds as the Lakers were blowing out subpar teams in earlier rounds, allowing the starters to rest up, while the Celtics, already comparatively thin at the bench, had to play the starters heavy minutes just to survive.

I have not heard of Pierce surpassing Bird in any lists, that's just asinine. It's Bird or Russell at the top of the Celtics pile, there is no debate.

Finally, Hakeem was better, but not that much better. They were very close and Hakeem was by far a better offensive option in 90s ball due to his insane post up game (2nd best ever in my books behind McHale), but it was exaggerated due to one series, whcih was a product more because of coaching (no doubles on Hakeem vs. constant doubles or even triples on David), team construction (one team had Sam Cassell and Mario Elie coming off the bench, the other had Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro starting), and Kenny Smith being on TNT pimping that series every chance he has.


Sure and Timmy didn’t beat dirk Kobe etc.
I just live by reciprocity consistency and loathe hypocrisy

I had been very consistent on this. I do not take titles as the be-all-and-end all. Context in those titles are more important. Kobe actually had a better head to head vs Duncan, well because he had Shaq (more like Kobe). I can never figure out how Shaq and Kobe were better than Duncan, when they were 3-2 with 2 on 1 side and 1 on the other side. Duncan was better than Dirk because he was more versatile in his game. I don't know if Dirk can win 5 titles switching places with Duncan (I don't think so because his defence just won't hold the Spurs together) and I am not sure if Duncan could win more than 1 title switching places with Dirk, but Duncan was undoubtedly the easier guy to build around. Same goes for Garnett (offence instead of defence.)

H2H records are more products of teammates, team construction (matchups) and coaching. it's rarely individual talents. That said, individual talents often dictates team construction (how the supporting casts fill in for your weaknesses or amplify your strengths), but teammates and coaching is often dictated by front office and market-sizes. Duncan was able to do so in one of the smallest markets in the NBA speaks to how good he was. I have no doubt if he played for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Bulls or Heat (with a competent front office) he will undoubtedly be ranked top 3 in the history of the league.

[Killakobe81]

Indiana state was so inferior to Michigan State outside of Magic and Bird that I don't believe I have to go into it. In fact, Michigan State actually practised by having Magic play the role of Bird with a bunch of end of bench players to show how the other guys can stop a one-man team. It's not really a fair fight.

For Lakers vs. Celtics, I actually thought the two teams were almost equal talent-wise. The differences are:
1) The East was so much tougher than the West, the Celtics were totally beat up by the time (and if) they made the finals. I don't recall the Celtics ever playing a sub-500 team in the ECF like the Lakers did (in the WCF). I don't think they went through a sub-500 team in the ECSF too (I may be wrong) but that is the difference between the competition. The Celtics had to go through the 76ers, Pistons, Bucks, Bulls, and to a lesser extent Knicks. Cavs and Hawks to get to the Finals. In the West, I would say none of the teams were as good as the early decade 76ers or late decade Pistons, mid-decade Rockets, late decade Jazz, and late decade Blazers were as good as the Bucks and Bulls, while the Suns and Mavs were the Knicks/Cavs/Hawks level teams. There is a reason the Lakers made the finals 9 times in a 12 year span. The competition was terrible, and none of those teams that beat the Lakers actually went on to beat the East Conference representatives in the finals, which is an indication they beat the Lakers more on match-ups than on being better in talent, which leads to:
2) The Lakers were the better constructed team, with balance in all 5 positions and strong bench. They just match up better with the Celtics because of it. The bench played plenty earlier in the rounds as the Lakers were blowing out subpar teams in earlier rounds, allowing the starters to rest up, while the Celtics, already comparatively thin at the bench, had to play the starters heavy minutes just to survive.

I have not heard of Pierce surpassing Bird in any lists, that's just asinine. It's Bird or Russell at the top of the Celtics pile, there is no debate.

Finally, Hakeem was better, but not that much better. They were very close and Hakeem was by far a better offensive option in 90s ball due to his insane post up game (2nd best ever in my books behind McHale), but it was exaggerated due to one series, whcih was a product more because of coaching (no doubles on Hakeem vs. constant doubles or even triples on David), team construction (one team had Sam Cassell and Mario Elie coming off the bench, the other had Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro starting), and Kenny Smith being on TNT pimping that series every chance he has.



I had been very consistent on this. I do not take titles as the be-all-and-end all. Context in those titles are more important. Kobe actually had a better head to head vs Duncan, well because he had Shaq (more like Kobe). I can never figure out how Shaq and Kobe were better than Duncan, when they were 3-2 with 2 on 1 side and 1 on the other side. Duncan was better than Dirk because he was more versatile in his game. I don't know if Dirk can win 5 titles switching places with Duncan (I don't think so because his defence just won't hold the Spurs together) and I am not sure if Duncan could win more than 1 title switching places with Dirk, but Duncan was undoubtedly the easier guy to build around. Same goes for Garnett (offence instead of defence.)

H2H records are more products of teammates, team construction (matchups) and coaching. it's rarely individual talents. That said, individual talents often dictates team construction (how the supporting casts fill in for your weaknesses or amplify your strengths), but teammates and coaching is often dictated by front office and market-sizes. Duncan was able to do so in one of the smallest markets in the NBA speaks to how good he was. I have no doubt if he played for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Bulls or Heat (with a competent front office) he will undoubtedly be ranked top 3 in the history of the league.

I’m talking stats with pierce, I don’t believe any sane person that saw them both play would choose Bird but yet Paul is the Celtics all time leader in many counting metrics. And yes the Celtics and Lakers were both stacked.

[ambchang]

I’m talking stats with pierce, I don’t believe any sane person that saw them both play would choose Bird but yet Paul is the Celtics all time leader in many counting metrics. And yes the Celtics and Lakers were both stacked.
Lebron outscored jordan. Doesn’t make Lebron a better scorer. The thing about Pierce vs bird was more about longevity. The driveway stopped bird more than magic.

[lefty]

Sure and Timmy didn’t beat dirk Kobe etc.
I just live by reciprocity consistency and loathe hypocrisy
Yep it's a team sport at the end of the day

[Killakobe81]

Yep it's a team sport at the end of the day

Agreed so let’s be consistent with that if that’s the case …

[MultiTroll]

How the 1985 Championship was won.

https://www.sportscasting.com/larry-bird-ruined-24-million-career-building-a-driveway/

[Killakobe81]

How the 1985 Championship was won.

https://www.sportscasting.com/larry-bird-ruined-24-million-career-building-a-driveway/

Lakers still had players dabbling in coke and banging hoes and slanging D in the Forum club … to even trannies (allegedly)
I don’t want to hear about Birds bad back wasn’t he still mvp that year?

[Killakobe81]

Indiana state was so inferior to Michigan State outside of Magic and Bird that I don't believe I have to go into it. In fact, Michigan State actually practised by having Magic play the role of Bird with a bunch of end of bench players to show how the other guys can stop a one-man team. It's not really a fair fight.

For Lakers vs. Celtics, I actually thought the two teams were almost equal talent-wise. The differences are:
1) The East was so much tougher than the West, the Celtics were totally beat up by the time (and if) they made the finals. I don't recall the Celtics ever playing a sub-500 team in the ECF like the Lakers did (in the WCF). I don't think they went through a sub-500 team in the ECSF too (I may be wrong) but that is the difference between the competition. The Celtics had to go through the 76ers, Pistons, Bucks, Bulls, and to a lesser extent Knicks. Cavs and Hawks to get to the Finals. In the West, I would say none of the teams were as good as the early decade 76ers or late decade Pistons, mid-decade Rockets, late decade Jazz, and late decade Blazers were as good as the Bucks and Bulls, while the Suns and Mavs were the Knicks/Cavs/Hawks level teams. There is a reason the Lakers made the finals 9 times in a 12 year span. The competition was terrible, and none of those teams that beat the Lakers actually went on to beat the East Conference representatives in the finals, which is an indication they beat the Lakers more on match-ups than on being better in talent, which leads to:
2) The Lakers were the better constructed team, with balance in all 5 positions and strong bench. They just match up better with the Celtics because of it. The bench played plenty earlier in the rounds as the Lakers were blowing out subpar teams in earlier rounds, allowing the starters to rest up, while the Celtics, already comparatively thin at the bench, had to play the starters heavy minutes just to survive.

I have not heard of Pierce surpassing Bird in any lists, that's just asinine. It's Bird or Russell at the top of the Celtics pile, there is no debate.

Finally, Hakeem was better, but not that much better. They were very close and Hakeem was by far a better offensive option in 90s ball due to his insane post up game (2nd best ever in my books behind McHale), but it was exaggerated due to one series, whcih was a product more because of coaching (no doubles on Hakeem vs. constant doubles or even triples on David), team construction (one team had Sam Cassell and Mario Elie coming off the bench, the other had Avery Johnson and Vinny Del Negro starting), and Kenny Smith being on TNT pimping that series every chance he has.



I had been very consistent on this. I do not take titles as the be-all-and-end all. Context in those titles are more important. Kobe actually had a better head to head vs Duncan, well because he had Shaq (more like Kobe). I can never figure out how Shaq and Kobe were better than Duncan, when they were 3-2 with 2 on 1 side and 1 on the other side. Duncan was better than Dirk because he was more versatile in his game. I don't know if Dirk can win 5 titles switching places with Duncan (I don't think so because his defence just won't hold the Spurs together) and I am not sure if Duncan could win more than 1 title switching places with Dirk, but Duncan was undoubtedly the easier guy to build around. Same goes for Garnett (offence instead of defence.)

H2H records are more products of teammates, team construction (matchups) and coaching. it's rarely individual talents. That said, individual talents often dictates team construction (how the supporting casts fill in for your weaknesses or amplify your strengths), but teammates and coaching is often dictated by front office and market-sizes. Duncan was able to do so in one of the smallest markets in the NBA speaks to how good he was. I have no doubt if he played for the Knicks, Lakers, Celtics, Bulls or Heat (with a competent front office) he will undoubtedly be ranked top 3 in the history of the league.

If we gonna tell all the facts about Larry legend …
He had the squad in college … the Hoosiers a true powerhouse in the same power conference as Magic
But pussed out quit went crying back to French lick and transferred to state
Bird only has himself ti blame that he faced Magic with a weak squad so not buying that excuse either he chose the hard route and got his ass kicked by the better player when it mattered.

[ambchang]

If we gonna tell all the facts about Larry legend …
He had the squad in college … the Hoosiers a true powerhouse in the same power conference as Magic
But pussed out quit went crying back to French lick and transferred to state
Bird only has himself ti blame that he faced Magic with a weak squad so not buying that excuse either he chose the hard route and got his ass kicked by the better player when it mattered.

He didn’t like the large campus. Some people doesn’t like large crowds and parties while others prefer snorting coke and going in orgies. Cost bird an ncaa title, the other costs magic … well, nothing?

[lefty]

Lakers still had players dabbling in coke and banging hoes and slanging D in the Forum club … to even trannies (allegedly)
I don’t want to hear about Birds bad back wasn’t he still mvp that year?
And somehow only Rockets and Mavs players were suspended for coke consumption, the only teams the Lakers feared in the West :lol

[Killakobe81]

He didn’t like the large campus. Some people doesn’t like large crowds and parties while others prefer snorting coke and going in orgies. Cost bird an ncaa title, the other costs magic … well, nothing?

Sure but it’s part of the story …
Magic win state in HS his senior year
Ncaa his sophomore year
And an nba title his rookie year as finals mvp
Team sport of course but few guys (kareem bill russell?) can say they even did all 3 but ti do so in 4 years is pretty wild and speaks to the type of impact Magic had Bird had it too
But to say that they are not close or Bird is clearly better is bullshit.
Larry was a bad man … so was magic and I think his career and impact was better.
Celtics won titles before Bird crushing the Lakers often to do it
Lakers never beat the Celtics before Magic and Bird was on those teams

[Killakobe81]

And somehow only Rockets and Mavs players were suspended for coke consumption, the only teams the Lakers feared in the West :lol

Hey coke was apparently flowing in LA and NYC
Lakers had better functioning addicts apparently

[Killakobe81]

Btw as great as a pG is still the goat PG even if Steph is gaining on him …
Tired of his ego and self promotion…
Y’all kill Kobe Bron and others for sone of the sane shit y’all give Magic and Jordan a pass for …
And since we telling truth Bird had some of the sane crummy traits off the court like being a poor father …
Y’all just pick and choose who y’all condemn for off the court bullshit

[lefty]

Hey coke was apparently flowing in LA and NYC
Lakers had better functioning addicts apparently
No they were just Stern's favorite team tbh

[lefty]

Btw as great as a pG is still the goat PG even if Steph is gaining on him …
Tired of his ego and self promotion…
Y’all kill Kobe Bron and others for sone of the sane shit y’all give Magic and Jordan a pass for …
And since we telling truth Bird had some of the sane crummy traits off the court like being a poor father …
Y’all just pick and choose who y’all condemn for off the court bullshit
Magic had a massive ego
Imagine if he had access to social media during his playing days :lol

And yeah Bird is a POS, terrible father tbh

[MultiTroll]

I don’t want to hear about Birds bad back wasn’t he still mvp that year?
I stand corrected.
It was Birds broken hand that allowed the Lakers to win the 85 Finals.

Larry Bird's injury in a bar fight cost Celtics 1985 NBA championship (clutchpoints.com) (https://clutchpoints.com/larry-birds-injury-bar-fight-cost-celtics-1985-nba-championship)

[ambchang]

Sure but it’s part of the story …
Magic win state in HS his senior year
Ncaa his sophomore year
And an nba title his rookie year as finals mvp
Team sport of course but few guys (kareem bill russell?) can say they even did all 3 but ti do so in 4 years is pretty wild and speaks to the type of impact Magic had Bird had it too
But to say that they are not close or Bird is clearly better is bullshit.
Larry was a bad man … so was magic and I think his career and impact was better.
Celtics won titles before Bird crushing the Lakers often to do it
Lakers never beat the Celtics before Magic and Bird was on those teams

I’m not saying magic is chopped liver but he never really had the peak bird did and that peak was the greatest I’ve seen, along with jordan, Lebron and shaq (in that order, I’d put bird around Lebron area). Magic was great at his peak but he was hakeem/duncan peak. Still damned impressive but not there. Longevity are relatively even I’d say. Bird peaked early and magic peaked late.

Magic was in a lot of great teams and much has to do with his ability to make his teammates better. Bird had the same. Birds passing was as good as magic.

And for the record, I think the lack of both of their defences were exaggerated.

[baseline bum]

Hey coke was apparently flowing in LA and NYC
Lakers had better functioning addicts apparently

Only for sure coke addicts I remember from Pearlman's book were Haywood and Landsberger. Who else? Maybe Worthy? Thought I heard something about him.

[baseline bum]

Birds passing was as good as magic.


Don't agree with that. Bird was an amazing passer but I can't imagine anyone else in league history being able to run the break the way Magic did, making the passes he did.



And for the record, I think the lack of both of their defences were exaggerated.

Bird was 100% a better defender than Magic just for his ability to rack up steals.

[Killakobe81]

Only for sure coke addicts I remember from Pearlman's book were Haywood and Landsberger. Who else? Maybe Worthy? Thought I heard something about him.

Cooper admitted he dabbled I hear norm did too from his ex wife’s account I believe

[Killakobe81]

Don't agree with that. Bird was an amazing passer but I can't imagine anyone else in league history being able to run the break the way Magic did, making the passes he did.



Bird was 100% a better defender than Magic just for his ability to rack up steals.

Huh? Magic led the league in steals twice … iirc.

Neither were horrible defenders played good team defense and neither gambled recklessly

[lefty]

I’m not saying magic is chopped liver but he never really had the peak bird did and that peak was the greatest I’ve seen, along with jordan, Lebron and shaq (in that order, I’d put bird around Lebron area). Magic was great at his peak but he was hakeem/duncan peak. Still damned impressive but not there. Longevity are relatively even I’d say. Bird peaked early and magic peaked late.

Magic was in a lot of great teams and much has to do with his ability to make his teammates better. Bird had the same. Birds passing was as good as magic.

And for the record, I think the lack of both of their defences were exaggerated.

Bird’s passing was better than overrated Magic’s “no look” passes on 3 on 1 fastbreaks

Also his assist numbers were inflated. Basic entry pass to Kareem , dribble dribble dribble, swing left, seing right, sky hook, assist Magic :lmao

[Killakobe81]

Bird’s passing was better than overrated Magic’s “no look” passes on 3 on 1 fastbreaks

Also his assist numbers were inflated. Basic entry pass to Kareem , dribble dribble dribble, swing left, seing right, sky hook, assist Magic :lmao

Stop it Bird had great vision and anticipation but Magic is the best passer I ever seen Kidd Bron Stockton Bird others have been elite, magic was the best.

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How the 1985 Championship was won.

https://www.sportscasting.com/larry-bird-ruined-24-million-career-building-a-driveway/

Uh, uh. Nope. The Celtics tried their mightiest to talk Magic out of it, you know shame him, beat him down as they had numerous Lakers previously. Had him on the ropes in '84, beat him like dog, shamed him & me, humiliated him & me, thought they'd ruined Magic & me. Nope. With the proverbial Jimmy Dean's "jacks and timbers, he started back down." Taught himself how to shoot outside, a declared 100-game grailed quest was initiated in training camp by Magic and on 9 June 1985 in Massachusetts he led the Lakers, all of them, Mult dead & alive to it and left the Celtics where he'd found them in Boston, dead in the ground.

Magic Johnson

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I’m not saying magic is chopped liver but he never really had the peak bird did and that peak was the greatest I’ve seen, along with jordan, Lebron and shaq (in that order, I’d put bird around Lebron area). Magic was great at his peak but he was hakeem/duncan peak. Still damned impressive but not there. Longevity are relatively even I’d say. Bird peaked early and magic peaked late.

Magic was in a lot of great teams and much has to do with his ability to make his teammates better. Bird had the same. Birds passing was as good as magic.

And for the record, I think the lack of both of their defences were exaggerated.

Bird was White when White was right.
Magic was still Black then.

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If we gonna tell all the facts about Larry legend …
He had the squad in college … the Hoosiers a true powerhouse in the same power conference as Magic
But pussed out quit went crying back to French lick and transferred to state
Bird only has himself ti blame that he faced Magic with a weak squad so not buying that excuse either he chose the hard route and got his ass kicked by the better player when it mattered.

Killa

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No they were just Stern's favorite team tbh

He knew for the NBA to prosper, to abandon the humiliation once and for all of (delayed broadcasting of games) something had to change.

Stern changed it, and the NBA has never looked back.

[ambchang]

Don't agree with that. Bird was an amazing passer but I can't imagine anyone else in league history being able to run the break the way Magic did, making the passes he did.



Bird was 100% a better defender than Magic just for his ability to rack up steals.

Magic running the break was a thing of beauty and the reason why he’s my favourite non spur ever. That said it was also a function of his teammates and coaching philosophy. Magic had worthy Scott and Cooper. Bird had …. Ainge and Dennis Johnson?

Also birds running the half court sets were great.

As for d, magic stole the ball plenty. He was slow on the perimeter guarding these quick guards but bird get to match up with guys his own size and quickness. I overall think it’s a draw.

[ambchang]

Bird was White when White was right.
Magic was still Black then.

I see you support BLM to make things right.

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I see you support BLM to make things right.

No. I'm stating facts.

[ambchang]

No. I'm stating facts.

It made things right, no?

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It made things right, no?

There was nary another tape delayed NBA Finals game, yes.

[lefty]

Stop it Bird had great vision and anticipation but Magic is the best passer I ever seen Kidd Bron Stockton Bird others have been elite, magic was the best.
Jokic shits on both of them anyway

[FrostKing]

MJ was a great passer, just never had to resort to it :lol


All jokes aside I never watched Lebron and marveled at his passing. He's tall and has huge open passing lanes because he's a great scorer

[MultiTroll]

Jokic shits on both of them anyway
Zoomer weighs in with his XBox anti-Boomer game talent take. :rolleyes

[Killakobe81]

Jokic shits on both of them anyway

Another great passer …
Luka is too he just dribble to damn much

[ambchang]

There was nary another tape delayed NBA Finals game, yes.

Equality of rights to the rescue. :tu

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Equality of rights to the rescue. :tu

No. Commerce to the rescue. "We can't have it this way any longer, Red. There is a mound of billions sitting out there for all of us. Just sitting there waiting for us to pick it up. You're in. I ain't asking you, I'm telling you. I'm sending Strom, he's got his orders. Get out of it."

[lefty]

Another great passer …
Luka is too he just dribble to damn much

Agreed
Luka needs to learn to play off ball more

[lefty]

MJ was a great passer, just never had to resort to it :lol


All jokes aside I never watched Lebron and marveled at his passing. He's tall and has huge open passing lanes because he's a great scorer

Lebron is a great passer
May not be flashy but incredible bb IQ

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Lebron is a great passer
May not be flashy but incredible bb IQ

His a race baiting fuck, the fuck.

[FrostKing]

Lebron is a great passer
May not be flashy but incredible bb IQ
He's probably played the most organized ball in American History considering the Era crossover.

Indeed it is very rare where a Lebron on court decision made me scratch my head. He does tend to strategize for situations later. He doesn't play in 1 speed and eggs on defenses into mistakes.

Would be interesting to see if he had Luka's young professional upbringing or had to climb the ladder at a Top CBB program in the 80s/90s.

[ambchang]

No. Commerce to the rescue. "We can't have it this way any longer, Red. There is a mound of billions sitting out there for all of us. Just sitting there waiting for us to pick it up. You're in. I ain't asking you, I'm telling you. I'm sending Strom, he's got his orders. Get out of it."

True. Treating people equally and properly leads to financial success.

[lefty]

He's probably played the most organized ball in American History considering the Era crossover.

Indeed it is very rare where a Lebron on court decision made me scratch my head. He does tend to strategize for situations later. He doesn't play in 1 speed and eggs on defenses into mistakes.

Would be interesting to see if he had Luka's young professional upbringing or had to climb the ladder at a Top CBB program in the 80s/90s.

Agreed, Different contexts and upbringing

[baseline bum]

Kind of feels like the demonizing of Westhead is really over the top this season. While the players hated his offense, I don't think they disliked Westhead himself, other than Magic. This season really makes Westhead look like a prick, and I never got that from Pearlman's book. Just that he coached a terrible offense all the players couldn't stand, especially after it got them knocked out by that crap 81 Rockets team.

[baseline bum]

Stop it Bird had great vision and anticipation but Magic is the best passer I ever seen Kidd Bron Stockton Bird others have been elite, magic was the best.

I don't think it's even close. Ain't no one I have ever seen who could have run that offense half as well as Magic.

[baseline bum]

Huh? Magic led the league in steals twice … iirc.

Neither were horrible defenders played good team defense and neither gambled recklessly

Didn't know that, but it should really only be considered once (81-82) since he only played 37 games in 80-81.

[MultiTroll]

^ havent listened to it yet, found a podcast with Westhead addressing Magic and the firing.
Think it's at least a decade or so after the fact. So hoping Westhead can be as fair as possible, all the emotion is probably gone out of it.
Don't think you'll ever get an honest answer from Self Promoting Magic.

[baseline bum]

^ havent listened to it yet, found a podcast with Westhead addressing Magic and the firing.
Think it's at least a decade or so after the fact. So hoping Westhead can be as fair as possible, all the emotion is probably gone out of it.
Don't think you'll ever get an honest answer from Self Promoting Magic.

Westhead has always sounded bitter about it, saying he's the only coach ever fired on a 5 game winning streak. An offense where every player has one spot he just runs to sounds ridiculous in the NBA, and I trust Pearlman's word a lot more than Westhead's if he was trying to argue that was a legitimate NBA offense.

[MultiTroll]

Westhead has always sounded bitter about it, saying he's the only coach ever fired on a 5 game winning streak. An offense where every player has one spot he just runs to sounds ridiculous in the NBA, and I trust Pearlman's word a lot more than Westhead's if he was trying to argue that was a legitimate NBA offense.
Oh ya I'm hoping Westhead will say in retrospect it might not have been the best offense for that team.
That the Lakers won in 82 justifies Buss making the change for sure. Was this a rare fairly reffed / no catostrophic injuries to opponent year Finals?

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True. Treating people equally and properly leads to financial success.

...President Trump withstanding, amb.

---It went from a barnstorming league nickel & dimeing it persistnetly to shangri-la in one fell swoop. They've never looked back.

[ambchang]

...President Trump withstanding, amb.

---It went from a barnstorming league nickel & dimeing it persistnetly to shangri-la in one fell swoop. They've never looked back.

Yup. Same page buddy. Treat everyone the same regardless if you are a billionaire or some fake tough guy. You do the crime you do the time.

And treating everyone fairly got the league further. Now if they start to treat every team fairly.

[baseline bum]

Oh ya I'm hoping Westhead will say in retrospect it might not have been the best offense for that team.
That the Lakers won in 82 justifies Buss making the change for sure. Was this a rare fairly reffed / no catostrophic injuries to opponent year Finals?

Only catastrophic injures I remember in a Finals involving the Lakers in the 80s were to the Lakers: Worthy missing the 83 playoffs with a broken leg and then Byron Scott getting hurt in Riley's training camp before the 89 Finals and Magic tearing a hamstring or something early in Game 2 of the 89 Finals. Too bad the Spurs didn't have Artis in 81-82. Probably would still be heavy underdogs but the 82-83 Spurs came one Artis Gilmore putback from forcing a Game 7 (think he got stripped on the way up) so it would have probably been a competitive series.

EDIT: Duh Isiah. Played amazing on that ankle in Game 6 but was a shell of himself for Game 7 once that fucker swelled up.

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Yup. Same page buddy. Treat everyone the same regardless if you are a billionaire or some fake tough guy. You do the crime you do the time.

And treating everyone fairly got the league further. Now if they start to treat every team fairly.

When you threaten someone's life and the lives of their wife and their only child, nothing is sacred and vengeance will be applied.

You've fed at [that] trough, amb. I cheered you on as I watched you feed and was grateful you got your fill. Then, your fill, was of course my fill.

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Only catastrophic injures I remember in a Finals involving the Lakers in the 80s were to the Lakers: Worthy missing the 83 playoffs with a broken leg and then Byron Scott getting hurt in Riley's training camp before the 89 Finals and Magic tearing a hamstring or something early in Game 2 of the 89 Finals. Too bad the Spurs didn't have Artis in 81-82. Probably would still be heavy underdogs but the 82-83 Spurs came one Artis Gilmore putback from forcing a Game 7 (think he got stripped on the way up) so it would have probably been a competitive series.

Sweet Jesus, bum, the names; they'll put a body into a bit of melancholy at the recollection.

[baseline bum]

Sweet Jesus, bum, the names; they'll put a body into a bit of melancholy at the recollection.

LOL my dad took a few spikes to the face playing volleyball against Artis at the Baseline Bums BBQs. Artis also ripped the front seats out of his car just like in Police Academy. :lol

[MultiTroll]

1985 Bitch Scrubchak did a super cheapshot from behind on Robert Parrish.
Dropped Bob to 60% the rest of the series.

Tryna find some video. Appears Buss Stern and the Lakers had it scrubbed from the INET.

[lefty]

1985 Bitch Scrubchak did a super cheapshot from behind on Robert Parrish.
Dropped Bob to 60% the rest of the series.

Tryna find some video. Appears Buss Stern and the Lakers had it scrubbed from the INET.

Cupcake also got into a fight with Hakeem in 86, both got ejected, obviously not a fair double ejection, a washed up scrub vs a superstar on the rise….I wouldn’t be surprised if Riley was behind this, Dream was killing them and they were desperat3.
It didn’t work though, Rockets won the game and the series :lol

[MultiTroll]

https://youtu.be/Udm7sHRIzIw

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Cupcake also got into a fight with Hakeem in 86, both got ejected, obviously not a fair double ejection, a washed up scrub vs a superstar on the rise….I wouldn’t be surprised if Riley was behind this, Dream was killing them and they were desperat3.
It didn’t work though, Rockets won the game and the series :lol

But the worst thing Kupchak ever did was ruin Odom. Went to all that toil and trouble to make him a Champion only to throw him out with the trash.

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https://youtu.be/Udm7sHRIzIw

But then in '87 the Celtics were lamenting all their ills and injuries and problems, especially foot problems. For once the Lakers didn't listen, just set a gaggle of Celtics top rungs on a Los Angeles curb and told 'em..."Now, say good night."

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1985 Bitch Scrubchak did a super cheapshot from behind on Robert Parrish.
Dropped Bob to 60% the rest of the series.

Tryna find some video. Appears Buss Stern and the Lakers had it scrubbed from the INET.

You don't win (it) by playing fair & square, you know that, Mult. I cheered you on in that Finals when your Horry hip checked Nash into the cheap seats. You've fed at the same damn trough we have, sweetheart.

tee, hee.

[Killakobe81]

Boston has some fake ass tough fans …
No way no how would i cheer for one of my rivals to beat another rival … I would never ever root fir the Celtics under any circumstances
Sixers and Celtics was just as heated and happened more often ..

[lefty]

Boston has some fake ass tough fans …
No way no how would i cheer for one of my rivals to beat another rival … I would never ever root fir the Celtics under any circumstances
Sixers and Celtics was just as heated and happened more often ..
A Kkkeltics fan threw a beer at Lebron as he was going into the tunnel (there was some kind of fabric veil at the entrance of the tunnel so he got hit with a few drops) after he went thermonuclear on Boston in game 6 of the 2012 ECF :lol
Fake tough fan phaggot

[MultiTroll]

Continued props to the writers for keeping a lot of it real.
When the show broke i thought it would be major propganda continued.

Jeannie Buss telling her Dads ho no thanks when Ho tried to act like her mom.
Chick was barely older then Jeannie for one thing.

Q. Was Riley really struggling for 20 or so games and was there a gut check meeting with an outburst in the locker room that got the Lakers to stop acting like faggots and play ball?

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Continued props to the writers for keeping a lot of it real.
When the show broke i thought it would be major propganda continued.

Jeannie Buss telling her Dads ho no thanks when Ho tried to act like her mom.
Chick was barely older then Jeannie for one thing.

Q. Was Riley really struggling for 20 or so games and was there a gut check meeting with an outburst in the locker room that got the Lakers to stop acting like faggots and play ball?


...no, Stern had an epiphany twixt the difference of (hand to mouth) vs (riches beyond belief) and went with the latter twixt the Junes of '84-&-'85...sent Strom to Boston on the 9th of June..."Fair and square, savvy, Earl?"

"Savvy, boss."

The NBA has never looked back.

& you ain't immune there, daddy; you fed from that same fuckin' trough Stern conspired to create there in mid-80's that I fed from. I watched ya's feed after that hip check by Horry on the Nash Rambler and was damn glad to see you get your fill at said trough, sassafras.

tee, hee.

[lefty]

Continued props to the writers for keeping a lot of it real.
When the show broke i thought it would be major propganda continued.

Jeannie Buss telling her Dads ho no thanks when Ho tried to act like her mom.
Chick was barely older then Jeannie for one thing.

Q. Was Riley really struggling for 20 or so games and was there a gut check meeting with an outburst in the locker room that got the Lakers to stop acting like faggots and play ball?

Haven’t watched season 2 yet but I read somewhere that during HT of a regular season game in SA, he flipped the snack table over smd went ballistic on his players because they were checking out the Silver Dancers during a time out instead of listening to him

[MultiTroll]

Haven’t watched season 2 yet but I read somewhere that during HT of a regular season game in SA, he flipped the snack table over smd went ballistic on his players because they were checking out the Silver Dancers during a time out instead of listening to him
We'll have to see if Pearlman knows. If so, would be fitting time. Right after Riles took over the Lakers kicked ass. Is was mid-late season they had a 10-10 stretch. San Antonio was the 19th game of that .500 stretch on Feb 12 to go 10-9. The Celts beating the Lakers in Game 20 in a close game so perhaps not a bad loss. If Riles indeed when ballistic on Feb 12th and the pampered Lakers did respond it would make sense as they went on a 7 game win streak and finished very strong after that Boston game.

Of course the Lakers always benefitted from an inter Division tanking Clippers team along with a soft West as Boston battled it out will real men in the Eastern Conference.
"Road" games vs the tanking Clippers. FFS.

[lefty]

We'll have to see if Pearlman knows. If so, would be fitting time. Right after Riles took over the Lakers kicked ass. Is was mid-late season they had a 10-10 stretch. San Antonio was the 19th game of that .500 stretch on Feb 12 to go 10-9. The Celts beating the Lakers in Game 20 in a close game so perhaps not a bad loss. If Riles indeed when ballistic on Feb 12th and the pampered Lakers did respond it would make sense as they went on a 7 game win streak and finished very strong after that Boston game.

Of course the Lakers always benefitted from an inter Division tanking Clippers team along with a soft West as Boston battled it out will real men in the Eastern Conference.
"Road" games vs the tanking Clippers. FFS.
The West was so shit during the 80s; Boston had to battle the Bucks, Sixers, Pistons etc, Lakers were fresh and rested before the Finals

And when the Rockets and Mavs came alog, drug suspensions of fucking course :lol
Yeah I'm sure the Lakers didn't have any excess in the forum club

[MultiTroll]

2 eps left of Season 2.
Previews showed Buss talking about beating Boston. (1985 when Birds broke his hand and CuntChak cheapshotted Robert Parish)

The shows been doing such a good job of covering each year.
Hope they don't gloss thru 83 and 84.

[MultiTroll]

S3 not yet greenlit.

Balanced Laker viewers like KillaKobe81 are enjoying the show, but i wonder if kool aid drinking Kobestans like the other board Laker posters have been ordered not to view?

Winning Time Season 3 Release Date Rumors: Is It Coming Out? (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/winning-time-season-3-release-104021967.html)

Winning Time on HBO: cancelled or season three? - canceled + renewed TV shows - TV Series Finale (https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/winning-time-season-three-has-the-hbo-tv-series-been-cancelled-or-renewed-yet/)

Will it take a storyline with Kome Bryant and/or EJ Johnson to bring the mainstream Laker Phans viewership?

[baseline bum]

2 eps left of Season 2.
Previews showed Buss talking about beating Boston. (1985 when Birds broke his hand and CuntChak cheapshotted Robert Parish)

The shows been doing such a good job of covering each year.
Hope they don't gloss thru 83 and 84.

I thought this season was going through to their loss in 84. That's how it started with their stealing Game 1 in Boston in 84. That scene with Boston fans attacking the Lakers bus after the game was bullshit. The Lakers did get stuck in their bus, but it was after Game 7 and it was because Celtics fan was out celebrating, not attacking the Lakers bus.

[ambchang]

I thought this season was going through to their loss in 84. That's how it started with their stealing Game 1 in Boston in 84. That scene with Boston fans attacking the Lakers bus after the game was bullshit. The Lakers did get stuck in their bus, but it was after Game 7 and it was because Celtics fan was out celebrating, not attacking the Lakers bus.

The best lies are those that has a little bit of truth in them.

Besides it’s not hard to imagine Boston fans attacking a bus full of black people.

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2 eps left of Season 2.
Previews showed Buss talking about beating Boston. (1985 when Birds broke his hand and CuntChak cheapshotted Robert Parish)

The shows been doing such a good job of covering each year.
Hope they don't gloss thru 83 and 84.

They were selling your shit.

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The best lies are those that has a little bit of truth in them.

Besides it’s not hard to imagine Boston fans attacking a bus full of black people.

...just Laker black people.

tee, hee.

[Thread]

S3 not yet greenlit.

Balanced Laker viewers like KillaKobe81 are enjoying the show, but i wonder if kool aid drinking Kobestans like the other board Laker posters have been ordered not to view?

Winning Time Season 3 Release Date Rumors: Is It Coming Out? (yahoo.com) (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/winning-time-season-3-release-104021967.html)

Winning Time on HBO: cancelled or season three? - canceled + renewed TV shows - TV Series Finale (https://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/winning-time-season-three-has-the-hbo-tv-series-been-cancelled-or-renewed-yet/)

Will it take a storyline with Kome Bryant and/or EJ Johnson to bring the mainstream Laker Phans viewership?

It's all nonsense. We don't have to see it dramatized to an edge. We, all of us lived it and bore witness to IT, not a money making scheme to make money IT.

IT lives in our hearts, forever. That can't be taken from us, misconstrued, or, poisoned, ever. It's our religion.

[MultiTroll]

Celtics fan was out celebrating, not attacking the Lakers bus.


Besides it’s not hard to imagine Boston fans attacking a bus full of black people.
per this article Celtic Fan really did rock the Faker bus.

Yes, but it wasn't after Game one. It was after Game 7. About a hundred or so Celtics fans rocked the Lakers bus back and forth and threw rocks and beer cans at the windows. It got so bad that police had to break up the mob.

‹What's Real About 'Winning Time' Season 2, Episode 1: Did Celtics Fans Really Rock the Lakers' Bus? (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/whats-real-about-winning-time-season-2-episode-1-did-celtics-fans-really-rock-the-lakers-bus/ar-AA1eUXk0#:~:text=Boston%20Celtics%20fans%20actuall y%20rocked%20the%20Lakers%20bus%3F,that%20police%2 0had%20to%20break%20up%20the%20mob.)

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per this article Celtic Fan really did rock the Faker bus.

Yes, but it wasn't after Game one. It was after Game 7. About a hundred or so Celtics fans rocked the Lakers bus back and forth and threw rocks and beer cans at the windows. It got so bad that police had to break up the mob.

‹What's Real About 'Winning Time' Season 2, Episode 1: Did Celtics Fans Really Rock the Lakers' Bus? (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/whats-real-about-winning-time-season-2-episode-1-did-celtics-fans-really-rock-the-lakers-bus/ar-AA1eUXk0#:~:text=Boston%20Celtics%20fans%20actuall y%20rocked%20the%20Lakers%20bus%3F,that%20police%2 0had%20to%20break%20up%20the%20mob.)



It's an art form that exists in the U.S. that explains how the gov't, in close association with media & MSM will go back and refurbish a "blister" so it doesn't show. Like that "Gentle Giant" in Ferguson, MO., who strong armed that store, fled up the street and that cop who sent him to live with Jesus full time. They tried to explain the strong arm robbery away, but the store proprietor told 'em to go back and fuck their attendant mothers some more. "He robbed me."

tee, hee.

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per this article Celtic Fan really did rock the Faker bus.

Yes, but it wasn't after Game one. It was after Game 7. About a hundred or so Celtics fans rocked the Lakers bus back and forth and threw rocks and beer cans at the windows. It got so bad that police had to break up the mob.

‹What's Real About 'Winning Time' Season 2, Episode 1: Did Celtics Fans Really Rock the Lakers' Bus? (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/whats-real-about-winning-time-season-2-episode-1-did-celtics-fans-really-rock-the-lakers-bus/ar-AA1eUXk0#:~:text=Boston%20Celtics%20fans%20actuall y%20rocked%20the%20Lakers%20bus%3F,that%20police%2 0had%20to%20break%20up%20the%20mob.)



It's an art form that exists in the U.S. that explains how the gov't, in close association with media & MSM will go back and refurbish a "blister" so it doesn't show. Like that "Gentle Giant" in Ferguson, MO., who strong armed that store, fled up the street and that cop who sent him to live with Jesus full time. They tried to explain the strong arm robbery away, but the store proprietor told 'em to go back and fuck their attendant mothers some more. "He robbed me."

tee, hee.

Who gives a fuck when, or, even if they rocked that bus? A year later the Lakers went back there and on 9 June 1985 left them where they found 'em.

The biggest man THAT day? Easy...McHale, McHale came into the Laker locker room in the immediate aftermath of that Lakers victory and congratulated the Lakers. That's not up to conjecture. That happened. It's on sound track tape.

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Jeanie Buss credits ‘Winning Time’ for accuracy portraying Dr. Buss - Silver Screen and Roll (https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/8/15/23833803/jeanie-buss-winning-time-dr-jerry-buss-detail-credit)

says John C Reilly deserves an Emmy

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Jeanie Buss credits ‘Winning Time’ for accuracy portraying Dr. Buss - Silver Screen and Roll (https://www.silverscreenandroll.com/2023/8/15/23833803/jeanie-buss-winning-time-dr-jerry-buss-detail-credit)

says John C Reilly deserves an Emmy

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Sure, she had to sign off as the old man's estate facilitator. And for those "credits" she received a check.

Just because something is said on the TV, or, in the movies, or, on a message board doesn't make it so. Not by a jugful it don't, Mult.

[baseline bum]

The fact that they haven't cast a Worthy or a Byron Scott plus this season only being 7 episodes pretty much tells you there will be no season 3. Kind of shitty that the series is going to end on that 84 Finals that Magic shit the bed in Boston on.

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The fact that they haven't cast a Worthy or a Byron Scott plus this season only being 7 episodes pretty much tells you there will be no season 3. Kind of shitty that the series is going to end on that 84 Finals that Magic shit the bed in Boston on.

...was there ever gonna be an '85 moment, bum? No.

That lives on in the mind & heart of us all.

There was a secondary moment after the initial rush when they posed Kupchak/knee shackled///in tears & Bertke deep in the bowels of the Garden..."I'm still 6'10" 240."

& it was Stern too: "We're gonna do this even and that's it." & he sent Strom with that dictate sworn to.

It'll be 40 years soon. Seems like yesterday. She'd taken the boys to her mother's house. I was home alone. No celebration. There isn't as much joy at winning as there is at not losing.

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The fact that they haven't cast a Worthy or a Byron Scott plus this season only being 7 episodes pretty much tells you there will be no season 3. Kind of shitty that the series is going to end on that 84 Finals that Magic shit the bed in Boston on.
Wow that would suck.
HBO can be very hard assed in their negotiations. Remember the Sopranos suck ass final Season 7? The main charachters were more or less on strike so HBO wrote story lines around lame AJ and Meadow, primarily because they were young and willing to work for *less*.

Does Fagic and Jeannie Buss actually have enough pull to discourage a S3?
The ratings seem to merit a S3.

"The Strikes Are Crippling": Winning Time Season 3 Chances Get Blunt (& Concerned) Response From Author (screenrant.com) (https://screenrant.com/winning-time-season-3-chances-update-author-concerned/)

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Pearlman also said the strike is a buzz killer.
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S2 E6
Norm and the Lakers had a very civil exchange in the Club. It showed Norm being very high road under the circumstances.
I almost bought a car from Norm.

Magic committing to Cookie was nicely done. Altho irl he never lived up to that did he.

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S2 E6
Norm and the Lakers had a very civil exchange in the Club. It showed Norm being very high road under the circumstances.
I almost bought a car from Norm.

Magic committing to Cookie was nicely done. Altho irl he never lived up to that did he.

Now hold on a second, dad. Your Duncan got flummoxed during his marriage to White woman from town. In the end it cost an NBA World Title. You left South Florida without that World Title & without your shit which you'd prematurely sold before boarding that flight back to the tonio.

But you did come thru for old Dale vs. the Suns and for that deed I am forever grateful, old bean tocky!!!

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:lol This is gonna be hilarious for Stale, LkrPhan etc if the show ends with Bird and co reaming that Laker ass yet again in Game 7 1984.
Which we know is the true end anyways what with Birds broken hand in 85 and then Lenny Bias murder / Stern murder of Houston in 86.

Twas over in reality in 84.

84

[ambchang]

Now hold on a second, dad. Your Duncan got flummoxed during his marriage to White woman from town. In the end it cost an NBA World Title. You left South Florida without that World Title & without your shit which you'd prematurely sold before boarding that flight back to the tonio.

But you did come thru for old Dale vs. the Suns and for that deed I am forever grateful, old bean tocky!!!

What’s going on dale? Dragging duncan into all kinds of topics that’s totally not related means that you aren’t doing that well.

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What’s going on dale? Dragging duncan into all kinds of topics that’s totally not related means that you aren’t doing that well.

It's substantial though. Nothing is sacred. I learned that from the Celtics way back there. Once you've "sinned" it's on the record and fair game ever more. Just because Media didn't condemn Tim for it, doesn't mean I'm bound by that agreement. You guys take it well though, or, seem to. And I have fond intentions of not bringing that up to ya's, but, I lose my temper and the next thing you know I'm knee deep in it again. I feel bad afterward, but I've already shit the bed by then, amb.

I'll make a fresh vow not to bring up that materiel again.

- Dale

[ambchang]

It's substantial though. Nothing is sacred. I learned that from the Celtics way back there. Once you've "sinned" it's on the record and fair game ever more. Just because Media didn't condemn Tim for it, doesn't mean I'm bound by that agreement. You guys take it well though, or, seem to. And I have fond intentions of not bringing that up to ya's, but, I lose my temper and the next thing you know I'm knee deep in it again. I feel bad afterward, but I've already shit the bed by then, amb.

I'll make a fresh vow not to bring up that materiel again.

- Dale

Hunter is indicted. I’d thought you’d be happier than a clam.

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Hunter is indicted. I’d thought you’d be happier than a clam.

I thought we were talking NBA? What happened?

You don't like fighting, but you like getting along even less, amb. It makes you nervous, why?

[ambchang]

I thought we were talking NBA? What happened?

You don't like fighting, but you like getting along even less, amb. It makes you nervous, why?

I mean you said you’re angry, but given what’s going on you should be happy. I just don’t understand it. I mean, I can’t separate my real life happy from my basketball happy. If the spurs won five titles in a row, going 82-0 and 16-0 every year, and I’m suffering from cancer, I’d still be dragged down. Might be happier than me just getting cancer but still, pretty bummed. Now given the off season, nothing is happening in the basketball world, and hunter isnindicted, you’d have to be happy. No?

[baseline bum]

Magic committing to Cookie was nicely done. Altho irl he never lived up to that did he.

He finally married her two months before his HIV+ announcement.

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I mean you said you’re angry, but given what’s going on you should be happy. I just don’t understand it. I mean, I can’t separate my real life happy from my basketball happy. If the spurs won five titles in a row, going 82-0 and 16-0 every year, and I’m suffering from cancer, I’d still be dragged down. Might be happier than me just getting cancer but still, pretty bummed. Now given the off season, nothing is happening in the basketball world, and hunter isnindicted, you’d have to be happy. No?

No. I don't do Hunter. I do his dad.

I got the GD Suns starting up again and you know who's AWOL for me now? Yep, your Spurs. At first glance I have no nobody to stand in their way. Denver is sated, they'll do me no good. I was counting on the Celtics this past playoffs if those Suns got thru and look what happened to them. Now, everybody is claiming it's all right. BS. They ain't hit bottom yet. So, I'm at the grace of Lord. If this "Super Team" is legit, I'm fucked. I don't even want to think about June, but I have nary choice. I'll never live it down. And these bastards ain't the kind to just ring and party forever like everybody else. Uh, uh. They'll change that dynamic, stay sober and start one of those 100 game grailed quest that Magic used to initiate just because "it's fun."

I'll have all manner of players comin' in here wanting to play for 'em.

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He finally married her two months before his HIV+ announcement.

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bastard just gets up all over ya.

& His response was overheated. If he'd a just interred himself and talked it over for a week before retiring like that. Where was the fucking fire! And that fuckin' Malone was fanning the flames, that fucker. Then Magic comes back and won't act like somebody. He had to have everything NOW. Where was the fire?

If Daddy hadn't a come West we'd still be flat on our asses.

[hobbler]

Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bastard just gets up all over ya.

& His response was overheated. If he'd a just interred himself and talked it over for a week before retiring like that. Where was the fucking fire! And that fuckin' Malone was fanning the flames, that fucker. Then Magic comes back and won't act like somebody. He had to have everything NOW. Where was the fire?

If Daddy hadn't a come West we'd still be flat on our asses.

But instead we rollin' with 17 :lobt::lobt:

Let us proceed

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But instead we rollin' with 17 :lobt::lobt:

Let us proceed

I don't know about (rollin') but the (17) is a fact. It don't mean near as much (to everybody else) as the (16) did before it, but that's just how it goes.

[Killakobe81]

I don't know about (rollin') but the (17) is a fact. It don't mean near as much (to everybody else) as the (16) did before it, but that's just how it goes.

Fuck ‘em Thread …
I don’t qualify championships with asterisks etc.
Spur fans know if they disqualify/downplay the bubble it raises questions on the strike year …
So real Spur fans that I know shutdafuckup …

My only issue was no parade … Puerto Ricans in NY, the Irish in Chicago and pride celebrations all over just because and we never got the victory ride we deserved.

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Fuck ‘em Thread …
I don’t qualify championships with asterisks etc.
Spur fans know if they disqualify/downplay the bubble it raises questions on the strike year …
So real Spur fans that I know shutdafuckup …

My only issue was no parade … Puerto Ricans in NY, the Irish in Chicago and pride celebrations all over just because and we never got the victory ride we deserved.

If memory serves we didn't have a parade for one of the triple rings early in the century due to a financial beat down within the country. Buss wouldn't cover it, nor the security needed. Do you remember that?

[ambchang]

No. I don't do Hunter. I do his dad.

I got the GD Suns starting up again and you know who's AWOL for me now? Yep, your Spurs. At first glance I have no nobody to stand in their way. Denver is sated, they'll do me no good. I was counting on the Celtics this past playoffs if those Suns got thru and look what happened to them. Now, everybody is claiming it's all right. BS. They ain't hit bottom yet. So, I'm at the grace of Lord. If this "Super Team" is legit, I'm fucked. I don't even want to think about June, but I have nary choice. I'll never live it down. And these bastards ain't the kind to just ring and party forever like everybody else. Uh, uh. They'll change that dynamic, stay sober and start one of those 100 game grailed quest that Magic used to initiate just because "it's fun."

I'll have all manner of players comin' in here wanting to play for 'em.

I’m of high on the suns. Durant has fallen short time and again as the number one option on offence (I still think curry was the first option with how the offence was designed). He failed in OKC and the nets. He will fail with the suns. I have no idea how they will share the ball going forward, and booker, Durant and Beal aren’t particularly good playmakers either. Maybe they will isolate like crazy on it. The entire defense is now on the shoulders of Ayton which I’m not sure he’s ready for.

Spurs will be a decent team this year, I’d say 35 to 40 wins and they will grow.

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I’m of high on the suns. Durant has fallen short time and again as the number one option on offence (I still think curry was the first option with how the offence was designed). He failed in OKC and the nets. He will fail with the suns. I have no idea how they will share the ball going forward, and booker, Durant and Beal aren’t particularly good playmakers either. Maybe they will isolate like crazy on it. The entire defense is now on the shoulders of Ayton which I’m not sure he’s ready for.

Spurs will be a decent team this year, I’d say 35 to 40 wins and they will grow.

That's the pisser; that damn Ayton could finally wake up & be the difference. He was this!!close to being run off, but that Detroit Hit Man wouldn't pull the trigger. He knew, the stubborn bastard! & he was right. See, he ain't indoctrinated into the NBA owners pavilion just yet. And the longer he resists joining the worst for me.



I just have to hope it wasn't ingrained in Ayton waiting for an impetus, but rather it is not in him, no matter what. We'll know by December.

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That "35-40 wins" ain't gonna cut it, amb. I need ya's to stand in the breach like the old days by April, May at the latest.

Why isn't///doesn't Pop populate that roster for the short run, now?

[ambchang]

That's the pisser; that damn Ayton could finally wake up & be the difference. He was this!!close to being run off, but that Detroit Hit Man wouldn't pull the trigger. He knew, the stubborn bastard! & he was right. See, he ain't indoctrinated into the NBA owners pavilion just yet. And the longer he resists joining the worst for me.



I just have to hope it wasn't ingrained in Ayton waiting for an impetus, but rather it is not in him, no matter what. We'll know by December.

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That "35-40 wins" ain't gonna cut it, amb. I need ya's to stand in the breach like the old days by April, May at the latest.

Why isn't///doesn't Pop populate that roster for the short run, now?

Cant' rush them young'ins. The lack experience and knowledge, they lack the little know hows. 35 wins would be major step this year. With a strong starting PG and some veteran leadership, the Spurs can make a major jump (barring injuries of course). Everybody knows about Wembenyama, but people are really sleeping on Vassell and particularly Sochan. I think Sochan will be something special, not in the mode of a Lebron, but more like a more perimeter oriented Adebayo.

Ayton just doesn't have the brains for it. I think he has great physical tools, I think he has the will, he just can't put it together as he just doesn't think enough, or at all.

[lefty]

:lol This is gonna be hilarious for Stale, LkrPhan etc if the show ends with Bird and co reaming that Laker ass yet again in Game 7 1984.
Which we know is the true end anyways what with Birds broken hand in 85 and then Lenny Bias murder / Stern murder of Houston in 86.

Twas over in reality in 84.

84

Facts

And the Pistons came along and officially ended Showtime
Lakers not that great against a team that actually played defense :lol

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Norm Nixon married that chick the show had him dancing with, Debbie Allen.
Not only that they stayed married! Going on 40 years.
She is Phyl

Norm and Magic not fueding like the show and Pearlman proclaim? The whole damn thing created by some LA Times article? Wow check it:
Are Magic Johnson and Norm Nixon Friends in Real Life? - The Cinemaholic (https://thecinemaholic.com/are-magic-johnson-and-norm-nixon-friends-in-real-life/)

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Norm Nixons wife Debbie Allen is the sister of Mrs. Cosby! Wowsers.
Phylicia Rashad - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phylicia_Rashad)

[baseline bum]

Damn they wrote tonight's episode as a series finale and not a season finale.

[baseline bum]

HBO officially canceled it

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HBO officially canceled it

Perhaps it wasn't WOKE enough.

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HBO officially canceled it

You think someone at Lakers Inc or Stern Jr was too flustered by the non-flowery, realistic portrayal of the lakers?

[hobbler]

HBO officially canceled it

Shit.

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You think someone at Lakers Inc or Stern Jr was too flustered by the non-flowery, realistic portrayal of the lakers?



I can't imagine being so petty as to not portray the '85 eclipse of the Celtics, MA., repeated again 2 years later in California. Vanity? It's been almost 40 years since those quakes were felt coast-to-coast. Then that asshole James comes beep boppin' along and locks it at 17. I didn't even think anyone noticed.

And we've been off the ratings accountability since Minnesota Floyd was excised and WOKE was woke.

You can bet they called Stern Sr., every name in the book during production of the series though. You know '85 is somewhat akin' to '16 and Trump.

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Damn they wrote tonight's episode as a series finale and not a season finale.

They couldn't face ('85) nigh on 40 years later.

(They) believed deep in their hearts that '84 had finished Magic. Shamefully Dale believed that too. But, like Jimmy Dean in -Big Bad John- had bitterly sworn to Johnson then "grabbed some jacks and timbers and started back down." Declared a 100-game grailed quest ("It'll be fun.") in November, '84, ran 'em to ground in Massachusetts on 9 June 1985 and freed the slaves ever more. Dale too. It was like somebody important had died that afternoon on the CBS telecast. Grim faces, hushed tones like when JFK was murdered. Auerbach ashen faced crossing that parquet at the last, death warmed over. Russell crushed, tight lipped & flat eared. It was surreal.

[baseline bum]

They couldn't face ('85) nigh on 40 years later.

(They) believed deep in their hearts that '84 had finished Magic. Shamefully Dale believed that too. But, like Jimmy Dean in -Big Bad John- had bitterly sworn to Johnson then "grabbed some jacks and timbers and started back down." Declared a 100-game grailed quest ("It'll be fun.") in November, '84, ran 'em to ground in Massachusetts on 9 June 1985 and freed the slaves ever more. Dale too. It was like somebody important had died that afternoon on the CBS telecast. Grim faces, hushed tones like when JFK was murdered. Auerbach ashen faced crossing that parquet at the last, death warmed over. Russell crushed, tight lipped & flat eared. It was surreal.

Nah Len Bias is what killed Auerbach. That scene where he said he'd have another after Bird, that was Bias.

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Nah Len Bias is what killed Auerbach. That scene where he said he'd have another after Bird, that was Bias.

Laker haters would like to imagine that, sure. Knock yourself out, bum. You won't talk about '85. Now, you won't even telefilm the event. You cut off at '84 when Magic shit the bed.

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All that Leprechaun soothsaying came to an abrupt halt like overnight...as Effy is wont to state...Bias fucked around and found out. The Celtics had got touched. Then they got touched again when Lewis prematurely kicked the bucket. They said a heart attack, but, it too was cocaine.

Remember though in the circa of Bird the NBA changed the rule, Boston got him. Then the NBA changed the rule back. tee, hee.

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at '84 when Magic shit the bed.
The show ends with the Celtics roasting Laker butt in an open fire.
The team bus was surrounded as Magic moved his cowering from the shower to the back of the bus.

1984 is where the show ends.

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The show ends with the Celtics roasting Laker butt in an open fire.
The team bus was surrounded as Magic moved his cowering from the shower to the back of the bus.

1984 is where the show ends.


I understand that, and (it's) arrangement, Mult, yes! It wasn't that big a deal to pull the plug on it before the '85 Finals could get put onto video tape and thus into the annals. After all there is a veritable shit-load of WOKE movies in the queue. They killed 2 birds with 1 stone: no '85, and fresh WOKE materiel...It'll be most probably a detective show where a grizzled Black detective, all of 22-years-old will be Lording it over a worn to a nub White, overweight, 55-year old detective while the Black detective is maintaining a loving marriage with his White wife and 1 mulatto child; a precocious 11-year-old daughter with an IQ of 190 who runs the household lock, stock and barrel.

[baseline bum]

I understand that, and (it's) arrangement, Mult, yes! It wasn't that big a deal to pull the plug on it before the '85 Finals could get put onto video tape and thus into the annals. After all there is a veritable shit-load of WOKE movies in the queue. They killed 2 birds with 1 stone: no '85, and fresh WOKE materiel...It'll be most probably a detective show where a grizzled Black detective, all of 22-years-old will be Lording it over a worn to a nub White, overweight, 55-year old detective while the Black detective is maintaining a loving marriage with his White wife and 1 mulatto child; a precocious 11-year-old daughter with an IQ of 190 who runs the household lock, stock and barrel.

God damn you love playing the victim

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God damn you love playing the victim

Because "I" was the victim (our own faults) till '85. Do I think this series was stopped because of '85? Unfortunately no, but it's fun lighting the torches and taking to the all but abandoned "streets" with it. Nobody really cares about the Lakers/Celtics shit anymore. It's close to 40 years, a lot of attendant fans of these teams have passed, leaving behind these haunts to their children who frankly don't care about that blooded feud. I tried to pass that loathing onto my sons, but they're into the video games and will not grasp my teachings, and the wife doesn't help from the kitchen..."Dale, don't say those things, honey!" You can't explain it, pass it on, nor lend it, you had to live it and live with it. Just thank Christ '85 did work out as such. That was Stern! He knew, to move from hand-to-mouth millions to boundless billions a seismic shift had to occur.

[Killakobe81]

HBO officially canceled it

This was a bull Shit ending for a good but uneven show
But I really enjoyed the nostalgia
Props to the kid playing magic he has a future …
And of course Brody and Reilly kilt it

[InRareForm]

Max sucks

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Max sucks

...they should do one on Duncan, his ex, their interloper and Pop in Miami, huh? Air all that dirty, filthy laundry.

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Max sucks

It does suck though. All that hoopla about it turning to MAX, and it's nothing but junk. Here I was expecting like it being Christmas, and it's a big bomb.

[baseline bum]

This was a bull Shit ending for a good but uneven show
But I really enjoyed the nostalgia
Props to the kid playing magic he has a future …
And of course Brody and Reilly kilt it

Hopefully Netflix or Apple TV or someone will poach the series and we get at least a season 3. So many interesting stories left. Finally winning one in Boston Garden in 85. Maurice Lucas being a cancer on the 85-86 team, as well as the team turning on Kareem after 85-86. Especially after trading for Mychal Thompson in 87. The baby skyhook to take a 3-1 lead in Boston in 87. Surviving Isiah going into God Mode in Game 6 in 88. Riley running the team into the ground with the training camp during the layoff before the 89 Finals that probably cost him his job. Would have been cool if the last scene of the series would have been West trading for Kobe, but only after telling the story of Showtime.

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Hopefully Netflix or Apple TV or someone will poach the series and we get at least a season 3. So many interesting stories left. Finally winning one in Boston Garden in 85. Maurice Lucas being a cancer on the 85-86 team, as well as the team turning on Kareem after 85-86. Especially after trading for Mychal Thompson in 87. The baby skyhook to take a 3-1 lead in Boston in 87. Surviving Isiah going into God Mode in Game 6 in 88. Riley running the team into the ground with the training camp during the layoff before the 89 Finals that probably cost him his job. Would have been cool if the last scene of the series would have been West trading for Kobe, but only after telling the story of Showtime.

We waited too long to glean him and when we finally achieved it, he'd spoiled on the vine. I wanted him so bad.

[baseline bum]

We waited too long to glean him and when we finally achieved it, he'd spoiled on the vine. I wanted him so bad.

Really felt like that opening of the Lakers stealing Game 1 in 84 to open Season 2 was a setup for the Memorial Day Massacre in 85. Show definitely feels off without getting to at least 85.

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Really felt like that opening of the Lakers stealing Game 1 in 84 to open Season 2 was a setup for the Memorial Day Massacre in 85. Show definitely feels off without getting to at least 85.
And yet i thought it ended just fine.

Naw i do believe someone in the Laker / ABC / Disney / Hollywood plastic world got their skirt rattled and put a stop to it.

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Really felt like that opening of the Lakers stealing Game 1 in 84 to open Season 2 was a setup for the Memorial Day Massacre in 85. Show definitely feels off without getting to at least 85.

I was lower than skunk shit after that Massacre. Just resigned myself that it was not going to work out and was already looking for '86 to find salvation. What else could I do, bum? I was so dejected. At that point/Massacre I just wanted it to be over. Johnson though wouldn't let them toss the towel and Dutch Uncle'ed the lot of 'em. He had the temperament for it that Jabbar just didn't have. Jabbar could see it clearly, yes, but could not affect it, he'd been "wounded" and just wanted it, like me, to be over win OR lose. Johnson found the way to solve it...not to hate it, but to bring it in closer, embrace it and calm it. Then innately defeat it.