Anyone watching the show about how Magic caught AIDS on HBO this Sunday?

[baseline bum]

Wonder if they'll do like Dallas Buyers Club did and rewrite the main character hetero though?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqbWwKx1nBU

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Oh, Lord, 30 seconds into that trailer was enough for me.

No thanks.

[lebomb]

Umm.............no, just no.

[lefty]

Good Magic casting tho

[Killakobe81]

Hell yes! Casting looks great.

[MultiTroll]

If you need to wash this filth and fantasy off and return to real hoop played by heteros:

Kevin McHale, Cedric Maxwell Explained Why Larry Bird and Robert Parish Were Their 'Arch-Enemies' (sportscasting.com) (https://www.sportscasting.com/kevin-mchale-cedric-maxwell-explained-why-larry-bird-and-robert-parish-were-their-arch-enemies/)

[baseline bum]

Hell yes! Casting looks great.

Should have done like Many Saints of Newark and gotten Magic's son to play him.

[MultiTroll]

Should have done like Many Saints of Newark and gotten Magic's son to play him.
:lol
Rack it.

[baseline bum]

Damn, show actually began with Magic testing positive

[baseline bum]

Never knew Jerry West wanted Moncrief over Magic. Think they probably would have won a couple of titles, especially with that Worthy pick in 1983, but no way Moncrief was taking them to five once Abdul-Jabbar started getting old.

[Killakobe81]

Never knew Jerry West wanted Moncrief over Magic. Think they probably would have won a couple of titles, especially with that Worthy pick in 1983, but no way Moncrief was taking them to five once Abdul-Jabbar started getting old.

Jerry is a big part of us catching the Celtics but was also part of the teams that gave the Celtics the big lead. But he was wrong on multiple picks or moves but people act like he is infallible.

[baseline bum]

Jerry is a big part of us catching the Celtics but was also part of the teams that gave the Celtics the big lead. But he was wrong on multiple picks or moves but people act like he is infallible.

Didn't he leave the time because he was a stan for Glen Rice and Phil Jackson wasn't having that shit after how worthless he was in their 2000 title run?

[MultiTroll]

Cal Naughton Jr as Buss.
What a pathetic cast. :lmao

Then again it fits with the who sucks who to get parts in LA.

[MultiTroll]

Damn, show actually began with Magic testing positive
Who is the guy driving him from that appointment and crying? And is it someone he gave HIV to?
Serious question.

[baseline bum]

Who is the guy driving him from that appointment and crying? And is it someone he gave HIV to?
Serious question.

Hopefully Fredo

[MultiTroll]

Not going to be in this promotional production, but has the Grandmother and Grandfathers reactions to EJ ever been captured? :rollin

[lefty]

If you need to wash this filth and fantasy off and return to real hoop played by heteros:

Kevin McHale, Cedric Maxwell Explained Why Larry Bird and Robert Parish Were Their 'Arch-Enemies' (sportscasting.com) (https://www.sportscasting.com/kevin-mchale-cedric-maxwell-explained-why-larry-bird-and-robert-parish-were-their-arch-enemies/)
So McHale and Maxwell were a couple?

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So McHale and Maxwell were a couple?
In a basketball game. Not in a Laker, Magic/Isiah sense.

2 on 2 Celtics practice games said to some of the most baddass hoop in history.

[lefty]

2 on 2 Celtics practice games said to some of the most baddass hoop in history.
Tbh it sounds like an over glorification of the good old days

[ambchang]

Mchale should’ve clothesline bird in practice rambis style for him being such a horrible father.

[lefty]

Mchale should’ve clotheslined bird in practice rambis style for him being such a horrible father.
this tbh

[MultiTroll]

Tbh it sounds like an over glorification of the good old days
Nah Billy Walton is from San Diego and I've rapped with him numerous times.
The intense practice games continued on when Billy joined for one of the GOAT 1986 Celts.

Lest it be self glorification, Bill has related that pickup games in the LA beach area had guys kick his ass. Bill said no bullshit about how he wasn't trying, he said he was giving 100% and they stuck it to him. Continued there are definitely street ball players with NBA skills but for numerous reasons arent in the NBA.

Also McHale did give props to the Lakers numerous times. It's not like either Bill or McHale couldn't admit when someone was better thus no reason to fabricate the practice games.

Damn shame Stern and the Lakers paid someone to off Lenny Bias.

[MultiTroll]

"Earvin's efforts to impress the women in his life fall flat" Word for word HBO description. :lol

Ep 2 making his mom look like a real cunt.

Is that part of the reason Magic is pretty screwed up with women and his son wants to be his daughter? Ya ya half a billionaire screwed up.

West portrayal: What the hell? :lol

[BD24]

I’ve enjoyed it so far. Casting is pretty great. Seems the show is just as much about buss as it is about Tragic tbh. Interested to see where they take it

[baseline bum]

LOL Jerry West looks like such a miserable bastard in this

[lefty]

"Earvin's efforts to impress the women in his life fall flat" Word for word HBO description.
:lmao

[MultiTroll]

I’ve enjoyed it so far. Casting is pretty great. Seems the show is just as much about buss as it is about Tragic tbh. Interested to see where they take it
Yes Buss is not as douchy as the 2nd ep goes on.

Are we to believe the visit by Red A to the restaraunt and then Forum gym with Buss ever really took place? If they did meet was the conversation portrayed 100% Faker fantacy?

[BD24]

Yes Buss is not as douchy as the 2nd ep goes on.

Are we to believe the visit by Red A to the restaraunt and then Forum gym with Buss ever really took place? If they did meet was the conversation portrayed 100% Faker fantacy?
I could see something similar of happened. I’m sure they dramatized it up a bit, but Celtics thought of Lakers as little brother.

[Dirks_Finale]

Never knew Jerry West wanted Moncrief over Magic. Think they probably would have won a couple of titles, especially with that Worthy pick in 1983, but no way Moncrief was taking them to five once Abdul-Jabbar started getting old.

That can't be real.

Jerry will probably sue for defamation :lol

[MultiTroll]

That can't be real.

Jerry will probably sue for defamation :lol
Moncrief was really good plus who could forsee the level of ref ass kissing Magic would recieve.
Some NBA Dina soars were stuck in the thinking that Magic was too tall to play PG.

BTW the show displays West as pretty psycho. Bitter, angry, alcoholic.

[baseline bum]

That can't be real.

Jerry will probably sue for defamation :lol

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-03-06/excerpt-from-showtime-the-dawn-of-magic-johnson

The one thing Johnson didn’t know at the time (and wouldn’t know until more than two decades later) was that, in Cooke’s mind, he was merely another good college player in an ocean of good college players. Why, immediately after the draft, Cooke told those within his small circle of confidants that the team could have gone with Sidney Moncrief, the high-scoring guard from the University of Arkansas. That was the advice presented to him by Jerry West, the outgoing coach, who wasn’t fully convinced a 6-foot-9 point guard would function in the fast-paced NBA. Of all the ex-basketball players working for the Lakers, West was the one Cooke trusted most.

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Fagic telling Buss he was going back to college then Buss leaving him in the hallway where he fawned over pictures of Laker HOFs.
Next he goes down to the gym floor with a ball and fantasizes about scoring the game winner.

Total ABC/ESPN/Disney Lakers fabrication or is that how it came down?

[MultiTroll]

Earvin Sr's 87th birthday celebration.
"Over 70 grandkids, great grands, and great great grands came out to celebrate with him."

Somehow i can't picture this grandkid at Earv's celebration including a fish fry and BBQ but who knows?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaXx4PsPMX4/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

[lefty]

https://www.latimes.com/sports/lakers/story/2022-03-06/excerpt-from-showtime-the-dawn-of-magic-johnson

The one thing Johnson didn’t know at the time (and wouldn’t know until more than two decades later) was that, in Cooke’s mind, he was merely another good college player in an ocean of good college players. Why, immediately after the draft, Cooke told those within his small circle of confidants that the team could have gone with Sidney Moncrief, the high-scoring guard from the University of Arkansas. That was the advice presented to him by Jerry West, the outgoing coach, who wasn’t fully convinced a 6-foot-9 point guard would function in the fast-paced NBA. Of all the ex-basketball players working for the Lakers, West was the one Cooke trusted most.

Wait, I thought West was the perfect GM

[lefty]

Fagic telling Buss he was going back to college then Buss leaving him in the hallway where he fawned over pictures of Laker HOFs.
Next he goes down to the gym floor with a ball and fantasizes about scoring the game winner.

Total ABC/ESPN/Disney Lakers fabrication or is that how it came down?

Pretty sure that’s how it really went down

Because it’s Magic!


/s

[baseline bum]

Fagic telling Buss he was going back to college then Buss leaving him in the hallway where he fawned over pictures of Laker HOFs.
Next he goes down to the gym floor with a ball and fantasizes about scoring the game winner.

Total ABC/ESPN/Disney Lakers fabrication or is that how it came down?

It's made up. Magic was only threatening to go back to Michigan State if the Bulls won the coin flip to draft first.

[lefty]

It's made up. Magic was only threatening to go back to Michigan State if the Bulls won the coin flip to draft first.
But we were told they didn't want the easy way back in the good ol' days

[baseline bum]

But we were told they didn't want the easy way back in the good ol' days

Wonder if he would have gone through with that threat. Probably not, probably just wanted to set the stage to negotiate a huge contract.

[lefty]

Wonder if he would have gone through with that threat. Probably not, probably just wanted to set the stage to negotiate a huge contract.
Magic is like that, unselfish on the court yes but everything had to be about himself

Got his coach fired, backstabbed Isiah, got any dick he wanted, bailed out on the Lakers FO without notice, etc

[baseline bum]

Gary Viti, trainer of the Lakers, said this show really fucked up the portrayal of West. That he wasn't the angry guy raising hell with everyone, more like the quiet internally tortured type.

[ambchang]

I wonder how Moncrief would have fared if he played for the lakers. He certainly wouldn’t be as good as magic but he’d likely be much more of a household name like James worthy or Walt Frazier. Likely to make the top 50 team just being associated with the lakers.

Magic with the Chicago would likely have a career similar to George gervin or something like that. All time great but never won anything.

[MultiTroll]

I could see something similar of happened. I’m sure they dramatized it up a bit, but Celtics thought of Lakers as little brother.
So perhaps Red really did show up, Red thinking he might fleece a few players from the Lakers in exchange for talking Buss out of the fantasy.
To Buss' credit he made the Lakers Entertainment titles happen.
I just find the vitriolic exchange between the two to be way over the top. Like Red putting his cigar out on the Forum gym floor. Didn't happen imo. However i do remember Red after the Celtics '84 Championship scoffing about the "dynasty" of the Lakers. So while exaggerated, perhaps what came down (vs the manner it came down) was true.

As far as Buss trying to offer pussy in exchange for a better deal from Red that is 100.
Related i have ZERO doubt that is how Memphis got fucked into giving MVPau for Kwame. Pussy and gambling debts all set as a lure by Buss. Standard operating procedure by Buss. Buss was a sneaky phuck for sure. Used to be in San Diego a lot and ran his lips when coke and boozed up which was perpetual.

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Moncrief was really good plus who could forsee the level of ref ass kissing Magic would recieve.
Some NBA Dina soars were stuck in the thinking that Magic was too tall to play PG.

BTW the show displays West as pretty psycho. Bitter, angry, alcoholic.

Stern, in '84 that's who. He judged that Magic would transform the game and made the decision to side him, break the strangle hold that the Celtics held and enjoyed. He placed Strom strategically in '85 with orders to make it happen. Strom obeyed and disqualified McHale in Massachusetts. That's all she wrote. From then on we had a share of the entitlement that only the Celtics had possessed to that point.

Then of course years later Cuban shows up and tumult ensues.

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Gary Viti, trainer of the Lakers, said this show really fucked up the portrayal of West. That he wasn't the angry guy raising hell with everyone, more like the quiet internally tortured type.
Seems very over the top attempt to denigrate West.
Guy busts thru his window, tells him the place smells like he hasn't showered in weeks and smells like old laundry.

Did West do or give a perceived slight to the Buss'? Like leaving for the Golden Phaggots and then Clippers?

[baseline bum]

Seems very over the top attempt to denigrate West.
Guy busts thru his window, tells him the place smells like he hasn't showered in weeks and smells like old laundry.

Did West do or give a perceived slight to the Buss'? Like leaving for the Golden Phaggots and then Clippers?

West's beef was with Phil Jackson, over whether to bring back Glen Rice, don't think he and Buss were on bad terms when he left. Haven't read the book it's based on but expect this is probably just juicing up the story to make it look better on TV. West being a psycho constantly destroying his Finals MVP trophy and cussing everyone out makes better TV than sad Jerry stewing at his desk when Buss wanted Magic over Moncrief + Haywood.

[DMC]

"Earvin's efforts to impress the women in his life fall flat" Word for word HBO description. :lol

Ep 2 making his mom look like a real cunt.

Is that part of the reason Magic is pretty screwed up with women and his son wants to be his daughter? Ya ya half a billionaire screwed up.

West portrayal: What the hell? :lol

No magic in his johnson

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Beating the 4th wall to death in this is just lazy production. Hitting circa high points, then immediately preening for response is also lazy production...yes, I saw it, yes, I heard it. Yes, I got it! Which one is coming next? I can see the others getting involved in this, but Reilly? Shame-on-him.

I gave it 15 minutes as a favor. That's more than enough.

[MultiTroll]

West's beef was with Phil Jackson, over whether to bring back Glen Rice, don't think he and Buss were on bad terms when he left. Haven't read the book it's based on but expect this is probably just juicing up the story to make it look better on TV. West being a psycho constantly destroying his Finals MVP trophy and cussing everyone out makes better TV than sad Jerry stewing at his desk when Buss wanted Magic over Moncrief + Haywood.
Agree 100 the show follows 100% Hollywood MO thus was juiced up with soap opera bullshit for attempted ratings.
But the producers had a million different ways to do that.

I still say something went way South between Buss' / Laker Basketball & Fantasy Productions Inc and West.

Assuming the show ends with the Showtime 80s or will it continue on to the Kobme years?

[Isitjustme?]

Gary Viti, trainer of the Lakers, said this show really fucked up the portrayal of West. That he wasn't the angry guy raising hell with everyone, more like the quiet internally tortured type.

Yeah, in the opening episode it also ignores the 1971-72 Lakers winning a title and makes it seem like West never won at all. I guess to increase his supposed bitterness.

Loved Hearn telling Riley he sounded effeminate in episode 3 lmao

[Isitjustme?]

Beating the 4th wall to death in this is just lazy production. Hitting circa high points, then immediately preening for response is also lazy production...yes, I saw it, yes, I heard it. Yes, I got it! Which one is coming next? I can see the others getting involved in this, but Reilly? Shame-on-him.

I gave it 15 minutes as a favor. That's more than enough.

Supposedly Michael Shannon was going to play Buss but left production as all the fourth wall shit annoyed him. I agree fourth wall stuff in very small doses (like Eddie Murphy looking into the camera when the dukes explain that bacon is used in BLT sandwiches) but annoying when overused (The Office sitcom for instance). Here I just look past it mostly but it is weird

[Killakobe81]

Y’all tripping. Obviously HBO has taken liberties …
4th wall bothered me at first
As did the vintage film stock look
But cast is great …
They did not make it a Magic or Buss Fluff piece Magic in particular they are
Showing his dark side and his womanizing… which are well documented.
Both West and Riley being hardened by their complicated relationships with their fathers also true.
West throwing his trophy all over his office and threw his window? False. Him wanting Moncreif over Magic or trying to move Earvin to PF documented fact.
But we will start to West genius as he transitions to the front office full time.

[lefty]

West wasn't a perfect GM tbh
Good thing Buss didn't listen to him on Magic/Moncrief

[MultiTroll]

Adrienne Brody as Pat Riley.
0/10

Don't want to know the sordid details of how that cast came to be.

[MultiTroll]

Learned how the mob wanted to keep Tarkanian in Vegas and how close he was to coaching the Fakers.
To the point of hit being made on Vic Weiss (and later 3 others altho Weiss related not Laker related). Wow.

[baseline bum]

Y’all tripping. Obviously HBO has taken liberties …
4th wall bothered me at first
As did the vintage film stock look
But cast is great …
They did not make it a Magic or Buss Fluff piece Magic in particular they are
Showing his dark side and his womanizing… which are well documented.
Both West and Riley being hardened by their complicated relationships with their fathers also true.
West throwing his trophy all over his office and threw his window? False. Him wanting Moncreif over Magic or trying to move Earvin to PF documented fact.
But we will start to West genius as he transitions to the front office full time.

But we're not seeing the parts where Magic gets womanized. Also man, 3 full episodes out of 10 and the 79-80 season hasn't even started?

[lefty]

Adrienne Brody as Pat Riley.
0/10

Don't want to know the sordid details of how that cast came to be.

A young Robert De Niro would have been perfect casting for Riley tbh

[MultiTroll]

Claire Rothman the head accountant and Forum events GM:
"Has given mostly a thumbs-down to the HBO series, which is based off the 2014 book about the Lakers’ dynasty written by former Sports Illustrated writer Jeff Pearlman."
She was not consulted. She was consulted for Jeannie Buss' upcoming documentary and looks forward to that.
However in true Hollywood - Laker spirit she continues "“I’m very anxious to see both of them, because any publicity can be good publicity.”

How did Ricky Bobby Cal get cast as Jerry Buss?
Adam McKay (“Don’t Look Up,” “Anchorman,” “Talladega Nights”) is the director.

Buss is starting to grow on me in the series, i like his risk taking and go for it personality.

[Killakobe81]

But we're not seeing the parts where Magic gets womanized. Also man, 3 full episodes out of 10 and the 79-80 season hasn't even started?

But don’t forget it’s how the Showtime Lakers started it’s important to get origin stories for the main cast Magic Buss Riley West those are the ones I credit most for Showtime even if Kareem was a greater player historically than Magic. Also glad they gave Coach McKinney his credit how many lessor shows would have glossed over it was His offense that westhead copied and Riley did too …
Magic and Buss womanizing gonna get the main credit but lots of nuggets dropped if you pay attention.
Also heard when we get to summer league they had their exact uniforms from SL 1980 remade

[Killakobe81]

Adrienne Brody as Pat Riley.
0/10

Don't want to know the sordid details of how that cast came to be.

Brody can act way til he transforms ti slick hair Tikes probably not til next season
LoL chick Hearn saying Riley got a fruity and faggy voice thought some if you Neanderthals would get a kick how anti PC this show is. Women, Christians, Jews, GAys blacks, liberals conservatives all have taken direct or indirect bullets.
I love a show that throws darts at ever color class and creed.

[baseline bum]

But don’t forget it’s how the Showtime Lakers started it’s important to get origin stories for the main cast Magic Buss Riley West those are the ones I credit most for Showtime even if Kareem was a greater player historically than Magic. Also glad they gave Coach McKinney his credit how many lessor shows would have glossed over it was His offense that westhead copied and Riley did too …
Magic and Buss womanizing gonna get the main credit but lots of nuggets dropped if you pay attention.
Also heard when we get to summer league they had their exact uniforms from SL 1980 remade

Never knew the story of McKinney, damn Lakers might have won more than 5 with him there if he was really the X's and O's of that 77 Blazers title team that was a bunch of spare parts around Walton. Especially with Magic being the same kind of elevate the fuck out of everyone else teammate that Prime Walton was.

Kind of makes me question the fuck out of Kareem and wonder if he's overrated looking at how the Blazers swept him and how wildly underwhelming Kareem's pre-Magic Lakers career was. It's not like he was on an island, he had a still solid Gail Goodrich in 75-76 and Adrian Dantley + Norm Nixon in 77-78 and 78-79 plus Jamaal Wilkes in 78-79. Plus Kareem was below .500 in Milwaukee too after Oscar retired. While Magic's two years post Kareem the team was still elite. Think you gotta take Magic over Kareem for better player historically.

[Blake]

Saw the first couple of episodes. Having fun watching John C in this role. I'm ready to see some basketball being played tho

[lefty]

Never knew the story of McKinney, damn Lakers might have won more than 5 with him there if he was really the X's and O's of that 77 Blazers title team that was a bunch of spare parts around Walton. Especially with Magic being the same kind of elevate the fuck out of everyone else teammate that Prime Walton was.

Kind of makes me question the fuck out of Kareem and wonder if he's overrated looking at how the Blazers swept him and how wildly underwhelming Kareem's pre-Magic Lakers career was. It's not like he was on an island, he had a still solid Gail Goodrich in 75-76 and Adrian Dantley + Norm Nixon in 77-78 and 78-79 plus Jamaal Wilkes in 78-79. Plus Kareem was below .500 in Milwaukee too after Oscar retired. While Magic's two years post Kareem the team was still elite. Think you gotta take Magic over Kareem for better player historically.
To be fair the 1977 Lakers were ass

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/LAL/1977.html

Agreed on the other seasons though

[ambchang]

Never knew the story of McKinney, damn Lakers might have won more than 5 with him there if he was really the X's and O's of that 77 Blazers title team that was a bunch of spare parts around Walton. Especially with Magic being the same kind of elevate the fuck out of everyone else teammate that Prime Walton was.

Kind of makes me question the fuck out of Kareem and wonder if he's overrated looking at how the Blazers swept him and how wildly underwhelming Kareem's pre-Magic Lakers career was. It's not like he was on an island, he had a still solid Gail Goodrich in 75-76 and Adrian Dantley + Norm Nixon in 77-78 and 78-79 plus Jamaal Wilkes in 78-79. Plus Kareem was below .500 in Milwaukee too after Oscar retired. While Magic's two years post Kareem the team was still elite. Think you gotta take Magic over Kareem for better player historically.

Bigs can’t win anything without a good backcourt (and ideally a dirty work big next to him).

Russell had Cousy, Kareem had oscar and magic. Hakeem had the backcourt that transformed the way people looked at three point shooting, shaq had penny and kobe, Duncan had manu and Parker. The only exception was pretty much Walton but only because the league was ass in those days and Walton can be that point to direct traffic.

[baseline bum]

Bigs can’t win anything without a good backcourt (and ideally a dirty work big next to him).

Russell had Cousy, Kareem had oscar and magic. Hakeem had the backcourt that transformed the way people looked at three point shooting, shaq had penny and kobe, Duncan had manu and Parker. The only exception was pretty much Walton but only because the league was ass in those days and Walton can be that point to direct traffic.

Tim Duncan won a title with Avery Johnson and Mario Elie.

[lefty]

Tim Duncan won a title with Avery Johnson and Mario Elie.

And David Robinson vs small Knicks

[baseline bum]

And David Robinson vs small Knicks

Beat the Lakers and Blazers too

[MultiTroll]

Brody can act way til he transforms ti slick hair Tikes probably not til next season
LoL chick Hearn saying Riley got a fruity and faggy voice thought some if you Neanderthals would get a kick how anti PC this show is. Women, Christians, Jews, GAys blacks, liberals conservatives all have taken direct or indirect bullets.
I love a show that throws darts at ever color class and creed.
Between Wests denigration and now the Riley faggy reference, wonder if Riley and West are both are on the outs with Lakers Inc / Buss Inc?
Have not found comments on the show from West or Riley -yet.

Did Chicks fag reference really happen?

[MultiTroll]

Kind of makes me question the fuck out of Kareem and wonder if he's overrated looking at how the Blazers swept him and how wildly underwhelming Kareem's pre-Magic Lakers career was. It's not like he was on an island, he had a still solid Gail Goodrich in 75-76 and Adrian Dantley + Norm Nixon in 77-78 and 78-79 plus Jamaal Wilkes in 78-79. Plus Kareem was below .500 in Milwaukee too after Oscar retired. While Magic's two years post Kareem the team was still elite. Think you gotta take Magic over Kareem for better player historically.
Never gets referenced but Bitch Kupcake did a super cheapshot on Chief Parrish earlier on in the 85 Finals.
Chief not one to complain publicly. It rendered him about 60% the rest of the way.

McHale with the clothesline was a super cheapie too.
However Rambis no where near = the loss of Chief. Plus Rambis was not injured on the play, thankfully.

[ambchang]

Tim Duncan won a title with Avery Johnson and Mario Elie.

Duncan > Kream

[lefty]

Beat the Lakers and Blazers too

yep

Just saying that yes. that backcourt wasn’t HOF material but in the paint Duncan had a DRob that was still in good condition so it makes up for the backcourt deficiencies

[lefty]

Never gets referenced but Bitch Kupcake did a super cheapshot on Chief Parrish earlier on in the 85 Finals.
Chief not one to complain publicly. It rendered him about 60% the rest of the way.

McHale with the clothesline was a super cheapie too.
However Rambis no where near = the loss of Chief. Plus Rambis was not injured on the play, thankfully.

lol Kupcake also picked a fight with Hakeem, pretty sure it was a desperate attempt by Riley to get Dream ejected
They both got ejected but Rockets still won lol

[Thebesteva]

I can’t wait for the Spurs HBO show. The highlight will be Timmy shopping at Gap

to be fair they needed to show Magic’s son in this and how she came to be.

[lefty]

I can’t wait for the Spurs HBO show. The highlight will be Timmy shopping at Gap

to be fair they needed to show Magic’s son in this and how she came to be.

:lol Porker and Erin Barry too

[lefty]

lawl


https://twitter.com/magicjohnson/status/1506299669898403842

[Killakobe81]

Tim Duncan won a title with Avery Johnson and Mario Elie.

Rare exception him Hakeem Dirk won with less

[MultiTroll]

Ep 4.
Was Kream really that exteme a prima donna prick?

Did McKinney tolerate his sitting and brooding / pouting when the rest of the team had to run?
Acting like a bitch with his phony rejections of orange juice and paper order.

This chit real Lakers?

[ambchang]

Kream did force his way out of Milwaukee because he needed the the Muslim support but he only asked to go to NY or LW but not Chicago or Detroit which has a significant Muslim population then.

Almost smells like fisher has to be in LA for his daughter.

[lefty]

Cheesy and goofy as fuck, but I actually like this show l:lol

John C Reilly is great tbh, and the dude who plays does a good Magic impression

[baseline bum]

It's kind of annoying the way the show tried to make it look like McKinney invented running basketball. Even though Tom Nissalke, Bob Bass, and Doug Moe had been doing it for years with the Spurs by then.

[daslicer]

It's kind of annoying the way the show tried to make it look like McKinney invented running basketball. Even though Tom Nissalke, Bob Bass, and Doug Moe had been doing it for years with the Spurs by then.

They made McKinney look like some great prodigy especially during that scene where he was designing the offense.

[daslicer]

Kareem and Magic are both not likable but for different reasons. Kareem is an anti-social douchebag. While Magic is an attention whore that is obsessed with people liking him.

One thing I wonder is how accurate is the portrayal of Riley. He comes across as this socially awkward guy who lacks confidence. From the get-go he emanates a great sense of self-doubt when in the presence of other people. It's just amazing to thinking how he will go through a 180 transformation and become a guy who has swag and an authoritative figure that commands respect.

[baseline bum]

Kareem and Magic are both not likable but for different reasons. Kareem is an anti-social douchebag. While Magic is an attention whore that is obsessed with people liking him.

One thing I wonder is how accurate is the portrayal of Riley. He comes across as this socially awkward guy who lacks confidence. From the get-go he emanates a great sense of self-doubt when in the presence of other people. It's just amazing to thinking how he will go through a 180 transformation and become a guy who has swag and an authoritative figure that commands respect.

I have met Kareem a couple of times and yeah he seemed like a really sour person. Some of my friends ran into him at various times at UCLA and said the same. I don't think that's a fair characterization of Magic though. Having met him a few times I think he's just someone who respects his fans and genuinely gets along with people. Only other player I have ever seen who went out of his way to connect with his fans like Magic is Manu.

Also the vet being a dick to the rook is pretty standard. I remember reading Tim wouldn't speak to Tony for like months when he got there for example. Guess he was expecting the Spurs to get Kidd in the summer?

I don't believe in Faggy Riley for a second. Dude was a college star who played nine years in the NBA, I strongly doubt he'd be someone so weak.

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Jerry Buss fingering his ho at the restaurant booth in front of his 8 year old or so daughter.
Rather then a subtle reference the show has to give a cheap porn type explicit camera angle.
Wow.
Really?

I think this confirms Lakers Inc / ABC / Disney / Stern Jr are not entirely behind this show even if it is profitable and they get a piece.

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Who is depicted by the stocky NFL tight end type who flattens Magic with the pick?
Also one of the more animated butt hurt over McKinneys exercise program.

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Who is depicted by the stocky NFL tight end type who flattens Magic with the pick?
Also one of the more animated butt hurt over McKinneys exercise program.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/boonero01.html

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I have met Kareem a couple of times and yeah he seemed like a really sour person. Some of my friends ran into him at various times at UCLA and said the same. I don't think that's a fair characterization of Magic though. Having met him a few times I think he's just someone who respects his fans and genuinely gets along with people. Only other player I have ever seen who went out of his way to connect with his fans like Magic is Manu.

Also the vet being a dick to the rook is pretty standard. I remember reading Tim wouldn't speak to Tony for like months when he got there for example. Guess he was expecting the Spurs to get Kidd in the summer?

I don't believe in Faggy Riley for a second. Dude was a college star who played nine years in the NBA, I strongly doubt he'd be someone so weak.

I have known that for years that Vets haze rookies. It wasn't Kareem freezing out Magic that showed to me he was douchebag but the way he was just aloof from the rest of his teammates. He had a strong anti social vibe.

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This show is starting to look like character assassination on Kareem. They show him being a pouting bitch not even sitting with the team in the timeout before the final play of their first game in San Diego when in the real game he's right there in the huddle. Then they make him look sour after hitting the shot when in reality he looked pretty pleased with the team. Here is the actual game video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCsIaXDuZr4

[Killakobe81]

This show is starting to look like character assassination on Kareem. They show him being a pouting bitch not even sitting with the team in the timeout before the final play of their first game in San Diego when in the real game he's right there in the huddle. Then they make him look sour after hitting the shot when in reality he looked pretty pleased with the team. Here is the actual game video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCsIaXDuZr4

Obviously exaggerating but it was well known that Kareem was aloof in this era
Because he wasn’t whoring and boozing with Magic Buss and company.
Plus to show his struggles with changing religion and injustice as why he was withdrawn is more than fair and not charchter assassination … folks tripping on the early portrayals of West Kareem and Riley but I think all will be redeemed by show end. Buss and Magic are living it up now but the open of the show and Jeannie reactions to her father will be far more damaging than any shade thrown at those guys early on. You can see the arc plus I read the book it’s based on.

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Damn, I didn't know that whole thing with Tarkanian's friend, Vic

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Obviously exaggerating but it was well known that Kareem was aloof in this era
Because he wasn’t whoring and boozing with Magic Buss and company.
Plus to show his struggles with changing religion and injustice as why he was withdrawn is more than fair and not charchter assassination … folks tripping on the early portrayals of West Kareem and Riley but I think all will be redeemed by show end. Buss and Magic are living it up now but the open of the show and Jeannie reactions to her father will be far more damaging than any shade thrown at those guys early on. You can see the arc plus I read the book it’s based on.

This show is going over the top making him look like a dick. Like when he tells the kid to fuck off when he asks for a photo with him. I was in that same kind of situation one time when I saw the Lakers at the airport and he did take a photo with me, though it was clear he didn't want to do and I felt bad doing it but my dad wanted a pic of me with him. The part about him hating being admired for putting a ball through a hoop seems pretty consistent but he never acted like an asshole to me like he did the kid in Episode 1, he just seemed like he wanted to be alone. And retelling that first game as if he was pouting on the bench and completely disinterested, telling Magic to get the fuck off him, angrily walking past Hot Rod Hundley who wanted a postgame interview is all made up shit. Why couldn't they just tell the real story, that Kareem tells Magic there's 81 more games left and this game isn't that big a deal? I hate when they inject fake drama into what was already a really good story.

[daslicer]

Obviously exaggerating but it was well known that Kareem was aloof in this era
Because he wasn’t whoring and boozing with Magic Buss and company.
Plus to show his struggles with changing religion and injustice as why he was withdrawn is more than fair and not charchter assassination … folks tripping on the early portrayals of West Kareem and Riley but I think all will be redeemed by show end. Buss and Magic are living it up now but the open of the show and Jeannie reactions to her father will be far more damaging than any shade thrown at those guys early on. You can see the arc plus I read the book it’s based on.

I would say Riley's depiction to me seems like the one that is way off compared to the others. It's hard for me to imagine Riley was this socially awkward guy who had confidence issues.

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You can see the arc plus I read the book it’s based on.

Since you read the book, is the storyline about Kareem being lazy and getting winded in practice true? I find that one really hard to believe considering Abdul-Jabbar seemed to be in ridiculously good shape all the time. I just can't imagine a lazy guy lasting in the NBA as a productive starter on a title contender until 41.

[Killakobe81]

Since you read the book, is the storyline about Kareem being lazy and getting winded in practice true? I find that one really hard to believe considering Abdul-Jabbar seemed to be in ridiculously good shape all the time. I just can't imagine a lazy guy lasting in the NBA as a productive starter on a title contender until 41.

Nah not lazy just more coasting …
Kareem himself said Earvin helped reinvigorate his competitive spirit … Riley too later on

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Damn I didn't even recognize Avon Barksdale with the beard playing Spencer Haywood.

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Jeannie reactions to her father will be far more damaging
Not that this show will get into it, it undoubtedly won't.
But based on what you know is Jeannies dating Phil Jackson due in small or large part to her dysfunctional upbringing?
Might sound like I'm burning on Phildo, I'm really not. While i find him to have been a smug entitled prick, I have no doubt he is interesting.
Just that for a fairly attractive chick who can buy all the accessories richies can buy (fake tits, having her face and skin regularly buffed out etc), and undoubtedly had a million dating opportunities seems an odd choice to go after kind of geezer aura Phil 16 years her senior. Daddy issues?

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I would say Riley's depiction to me seems like the one that is way off compared to the others. It's hard for me to imagine Riley was this socially awkward guy who had confidence issues.
Riley struggled after his playing days were over, he said himself that he didn’t know what he was gonna do. He also said he felt tremendous pressure during his head coaching career with the Lakers, thought he could be fired any time.

I too think Riles has no confidence issue but I guess the show wanted to show his insecurities with finding/starting a new career.

At the of the latest episode, Chick put him at ease so I’m guessing we’ll see a more confident Pat in the next episodes

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Riley struggled after his playing days were over, he said himself that he didn’t know what he was gonna do. He also said he felt tremendous pressure during his head coaching career with the Lakers, thought he could be fired any time.

I too think Riles has no confidence issue but I guess the show wanted to show his insecurities with finding/starting a new career.

At the of the latest episode, Chick put him at ease so I’m guessing we’ll see a more confident Pat in the next episodes

Next episode Riley is going to be promoted to assistant coach since Westhead had to take over for McKinney, who was in a coma for a few days and was feared to have brain damage and later fired.

[Killakobe81]

Not that this show will get into it, it undoubtedly won't.
But based on what you know is Jeannies dating Phil Jackson due in small or large part to her dysfunctional upbringing?
Might sound like I'm burning on Phildo, I'm really not. While i find him to have been a smug entitled prick, I have no doubt he is interesting.
Just that for a fairly attractive chick who can buy all the accessories richies can buy (fake tits, having her face and skin regularly buffed out etc), and undoubtedly had a million dating opportunities seems an odd choice to go after kind of geezer aura Phil 16 years her senior. Daddy issues?
I would bet so and they are alluding to it a bit if you are watching and Buss mom and ex wife say it …
And not sure if he fingered a chick (unknowingly) in front of Jeannie but that is the way they chose to express how his sexing younger chicks probably did manifest itself a bit in Phil smooth talker big ego many chicks chase versions of their pops my wife included except I’m only 4 years older than my wife

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Next episode Riley is going to be promoted to assistant coach since Westhead had to take over for McKinney, who was in a coma for a few days and was feared to have brain damage and later fired.
That bike accident holy shit, that fall was brutal

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This show is starting to look like character assassination on Kareem. They show him being a pouting bitch not even sitting with the team in the timeout before the final play of their first game in San Diego when in the real game he's right there in the huddle. Then they make him look sour after hitting the shot when in reality he looked pretty pleased with the team. Here is the actual game video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCsIaXDuZr4
FFS and the show has Fagic inbounding the ball and heroically rebelling against the play called in the huddle.
Reality is Ford inbounded and threw the pass to Kream. :lol

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FFS and the show has Fagic inbounding the ball and heroically rebelling against the play called in the huddle.
Reality is Ford inbounded and threw the pass to Kream. :lol

Worst lie in the show was Buss turning the team over to his wife, that shit never happened supposedly.

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This show is starting to look like character assassination on Kareem. They show him being a pouting bitch not even sitting with the team in the timeout before the final play of their first game in San Diego when in the real game he's right there in the huddle. Then they make him look sour after hitting the shot when in reality he looked pretty pleased with the team. Here is the actual game video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCsIaXDuZr4

Incredible low post prowess in :wow yesterdays nba. :lol todays nba players can’t execute any of those plays by being too busy bricking fadeaway step back three pointers.

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FFS and the show has Fagic inbounding the ball and heroically rebelling against the play called in the huddle.
Reality is Ford inbounded and threw the pass to Kream. :lol
lol I was about to post this

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Incredible low post prowess in :wow yesterdays nba. :lol todays nba players can’t execute any of those plays by being too busy bricking fadeaway step back three pointers.
Yeah because Jokic and Embiid or KAT don't have a post game
/s

Kareem 99% of the time : dribble dribble dribble, swing left, swing right, sky hook :lol
(oh and they would give an assist to Magic for some reason lol)
And he wasn't playing against zone defense either

:lol imagine Kream vs zone defenses

[ambchang]

Yeah because Jokic and Embiid or KAT don't have a post game
/s

Kareem 99% of the time : dribble dribble dribble, swing left, swing right, sky hook :lol
(oh and they would give an assist to Magic for some reason lol)
And he wasn't playing against zone defense either

:lol imagine Kream vs zone defenses

He would average 60ppg.

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He would average 60ppg.
:lol
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It's kind of funny the way they're trying to sanitize Spencer Haywoods image though, as if he was being blacklisted for not playing college ball and beating the NBA at the supreme court instead of for his massive coke problem. Can't wait to see how they portray Haywood getting kicked off the team in the Finals for being so stoned the team thought he was dead in a practice. Wonder if they'll show him literally putting a hit on coach Westhead.

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Wonder if Kareem and Haywood really were friends like on the show. Because I seem to remember Kareem hated playing with Haywood because Haywood couldn't catch the ball and would put this sticky shit all over his hands that completely fucked Kareem's touch on his skyhook when that shit would get all over the ball.

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Wonder if Kareem and Haywood really were friends like on the show. Because I seem to remember Kareem hated playing with Haywood because Haywood couldn't catch the ball and would put this sticky shit all over his hands that completely fucked Kareem's touch on his skyhook when that shit would get all over the ball.
I'm not doubting the truthfullness of the stickem given the spineless media especially Lakers but is there somewhere we can read this?

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:lol now I want to read the Showtime book by Jeff Pearlman

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I'm not doubting the truthfullness of the stickem given the spineless media especially Lakers but is there somewhere we can read this?

I don't remember where I heard it.

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Apparently been used for years.
Stern Jr, for that matter NFL does nothing about it.

What Is Stickum and Why Did Dwight Howard Use It on His Hands? | GQ (https://www.gq.com/story/what-is-stickum-and-why-did-dwight-howard-use-it-on-his-hands)

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Learned how the mob wanted to keep Tarkanian in Vegas and how close he was to coaching the Fakers.
To the point of hit being made on Vic Weiss (and later 3 others altho Weiss related not Laker related). Wow.

I started reading the book and apparently Vic Weiss was killed for skimming off the money he was laundering for the mob between Las Vegas and LA, he was warned once and given no second warning.

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I started reading the book and apparently Vic Weiss was killed for skimming off the money he was laundering for the mob between Las Vegas and LA, he was warned once and given no second warning.

Yup that’s what I found on the web as well

The HBO show is 50% fake news tbh

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I started reading the book and apparently Vic Weiss was killed for skimming off the money he was laundering for the mob between Las Vegas and LA, he was warned once and given no second warning.

Yeah that part was known …. Show is implying it was a message to keep shark but honestly that was a secondary motive/message.
Show is not a documentary it’s dramedy inspired by true events. Let’s be real …. I love documentaries but no way it would grab the attention this show does. Hell the last dance was a controlled narrative documentary that doesn’t do nearly as well without the pandemic. I’m cool with the depictions despite it not being historically accurate or it shading some of my childhood heroes… there is just enough truth in the depictions it does not bother me. My fucking team sucks ass now so I welcome the entertaining distractions. I believe lakers are doing a true documentary I look forward to that even the I inevitable shit it will take on this series accuracy issues.

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Yeah that part was known …. Show is implying it was a message to keep shark but honestly that was a secondary motive/message.
Show is not a documentary it’s dramedy inspired by true events. Let’s be real …. I love documentaries but no way it would grab the attention this show does. Hell the last dance was a controlled narrative documentary that doesn’t do nearly as well without the pandemic. I’m cool with the depictions despite it not being historically accurate or it shading some of my childhood heroes… there is just enough truth in the depictions it does not bother me. My fucking team sucks ass now so I welcome the entertaining distractions. I believe lakers are doing a true documentary I look forward to that even the I inevitable shit it will take on this series accuracy issues.

Well Magic is releasing a a controlled narrative doc on Apple+ soon

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Well Magic is releasing a a controlled narrative doc on Apple+ soon

Think he'll come out on it?

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Rodney Barnes one of the producers and interviewed by Rick Fox after Ep 5.
How tall is that dude?
Kareem (the actor) and Magic (the actor) sitting on the couch next to his chair and he looked taller then both of them.
And 400 pounds too.
https://foxinterviewer.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Rodeny-1-rotated.jpg

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Worst lie in the show was Buss turning the team over to his wife, that shit never happened supposedly.

This was addressed this week told you ti chill the book is solid it’s based on but show has taken some dramatic license but it’s still based on facts.

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:lol Magic losing out on 5.2-Billions for generic shoe design he shared with Bird and other players

Astute business man my ass

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1252259480349421568

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:lol Magic losing out on 5.2-Billions for generic shoe design he shared with Bird and other players

Astute business man my ass

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1252259480349421568
Bullshit. He missed out here as did Bird Dr. J etc.
Magic didn’t know shit about business circa 79-80 ..,
It wasn’t until Buss got his own affairs in order could he take Magic under his wing.
Hell the Executives of my former company told Magic Nike wouldn’t last …
And it’s a big shock that a player pampered through HS didn’t know about stock options?!
I’m more impressed by Magic $500 or so millions than with MJ and his fortune he was not as popular as mJ didn’t have the Nike money … but still did well Buss and his management helped him learn businesses he should be credited not clowned …
For his business acumen ..,
Clown him for his whoring, his talk show, coaching announcing and gM skills but he a proven success at business. And the goat PG

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Bullshit. He missed out here as did Bird Dr. J etc.
Magic didn’t know shit about business circa 79-80 ..,
It wasn’t until Buss got his own affairs in order could he take Magic under his wing.
Hell the Executives of my former company told Magic Nike wouldn’t last …
And it’s a big shock that a player pampered through HS didn’t know about stock options?!
I’m more impressed by Magic $500 or so millions than with MJ and his fortune he was not as popular as mJ didn’t have the Nike money … but still did well Buss and his management helped him learn businesses he should be credited not clowned …
For his business acumen ..,
Clown him for his shoring talk show coaching gM skills but he a proven success at business.

I'm kind of pissed Magic never took Fatburger national when he owned them. God damn I miss Fatburger after leaving LA. Thankfully we have In N Out here now and the one on the NE side of town is every bit as good as the In N Outs I used to eat at in Westwood and in Hollywood, but it was nice having the Fatburger option when I wanted a thick ass burger too. Although they weren't that great at the Fatburger on the other side of the 405. Was hoping Magic would get Fatburger's quality uniform and expand out of LA. Always loved grabbing that shit at 2AM like Cube though. Even risked walking past a huge line of LAPD when Westwood was rioting to grab a Kingburger and Fat Fries one night. :lol

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This was addressed this week told you ti chill the book is solid it’s based on but show has taken some dramatic license but it’s still based on facts.

Also, this was a pretty shitty episode tonight while the series has mostly been rock solid despite the inaccuracies. Westhead just ain't that interesting and I was hoping they'd get right to Riley getting promoted to assistant coach.

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I'm kind of pissed Magic never took Fatburger national when he owned them. God damn I miss Fatburger after leaving LA. Thankfully we have In N Out here now and the one on the NE side of town is every bit as good as the In N Outs I used to eat at in Westwood and in Hollywood, but it was nice having the Fatburger option when I wanted a thick ass burger too. Although they weren't that great at the Fatburger on the other side of the 405. Was hoping Magic would get Fatburger's quality uniform and expand out of LA. Always loved grabbing that shit at 2AM like Cube though. Even risked walking past a huge line of LAPD when Westwood was rioting to grab a Kingburger and Fat Fries one night. :lol
Prefer fat burger too used to them in SA they finally opened two spots in DFW …
But in n out and fat burger are appples to oranges fat is more like a restaurant style burger in n out is closer to fast food fat is more like a Red Robin Fuve guys or Johnny rocket’s stylistic wise and pricing

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Is Dr. Day wanting to act like an agent for Magic true? Certainly during the shoe negotiations.
Google isn't showing anything.

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Jerry Buss liquoring and whoring up the bankers is 100% believable.
Even if that part was fabricated, no doubt in my mind Buss' MO when the MVPau for Kwame heist came down.

Grandma Buss really sit on the paperwork or was that entirely dramatized?

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Brody looking more like Pat Riley the way he was standing and the gum chewing

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Jerry Buss liquoring and whoring up the bankers is 100% believable.
Even if that part was fabricated, no doubt in my mind Buss' MO when the MVPau for Kwame heist came down.

Grandma Buss really sit on the paperwork or was that entirely dramatized?

Might as well just read the book. Library Genesis has it for free.

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Might as well just read the book. Library Genesis has it for free.
Is there one book that tells the truth?
Or does it just get closer?
Pretty sure the upcoming Jeanie Buss doc will be heavily tainted / ommissions.

And Fagics will be garbage propaganda per his MO.

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Magic is like that, unselfish on the court yes but everything had to be about himself

Got his coach fired, backstabbed Isiah, got any dick he wanted, bailed out on the Lakers FO without notice, etc

Reading the Showtime book, it sounded like Westhead had it coming. The author, Pearlman, says Westhead scrapped McKinney's offense and slowed it down to be focused on dumping it to Kareem in the post in 1980-81 and the players hated it. That the players were especially pissed playing this brand of basketball against the Rockets in the 81 playoffs because Kareem couldn't hang with Moses Malone on the block and they were playing right into the Rockets' strategy. Westhead claims he slowed it down because Magic hurt his knee but Pearlman says the new offense was implemented from the beginning of the season. Then Pearlman claims Bill Sharman and Jerry West were pissed that Westhead wanted a ballhogging Mike McGee with their 81 draft pick while West and Sharman badly wanted Larry Nance. Then Westhead got Buss to sign Mitch Kupchack's scrub ass for $800k a year back when Kareem was making ~$650k.

Westhead's lackluster pro career after the Lakers leads me to believe Pearlman's side more than his. That he was fired for being a shitty coach and not some victim of an unjustified mutiny.

Also LOL Kareem, did that guy ever disappoint every time he went against another top center in his time in LA. Got the broom from Walton in 77, got his teeth kicked in by Moses in 81 and 83, then went down in 5 to Olajuwon and a bunch of pipe hitters in 86. Abdul-Jabbar has to be the most overrated player in NBA history.

[lefty]

Reading the Showtime book, it sounded like Westhead had it coming. The author, Pearlman, says Westhead scrapped McKinney's offense and slowed it down to be focused on dumping it to Kareem in the post in 1980-81 and the players hated it. That the players were especially pissed playing this brand of basketball against the Rockets in the 81 playoffs because Kareem couldn't hang with Moses Malone on the block and they were playing right into the Rockets' strategy. Westhead claims he slowed it down because Magic hurt his knee but Pearlman says the new offense was implemented from the beginning of the season. Then Pearlman claims Bill Sharman and Jerry West were pissed that Westhead wanted a ballhogging Mike McGee with their 81 draft pick while West and Sharman badly wanted Larry Nance. Then Westhead got Buss to sign Mitch Kupchack's scrub ass for $800k a year back when Kareem was making ~$650k.

Westhead's lackluster pro career after the Lakers leads me to believe Pearlman's side more than his. That he was fired for being a shitty coach and not some victim of an unjustified mutiny.

Also LOL Kareem, did that guy ever disappoint every time he went against another top center in his time in LA. Got the broom from Walton in 77, got his teeth kicked in by Moses in 81 and 83, then went down in 5 to Olajuwon and a bunch of pipe hitters in 86. Abdul-Jabbar has to be the most overrated player in NBA history.
I have to read the book, but did the players or the FO talk to Westhead about it before firing him?
Because we all know Magic went to Buss bitching with his “him or me” tactic.
But :lol giving mote money to Cupcake vs Kareem

And yes Kareem got his ass handed to him by all the other HOF centers :lol

[baseline bum]

I have to read the book, but did the players or the FO talk to Westhead about it before firing him?
Because we all know Magic went to Buss bitching with his “him or me” tactic.
But :lol giving mote money to Cupcake vs Kareem

And yes Kareem got his ass handed to him by all the other HOF centers :lol

Seriously, my biggest Kupchack memory is him starting a fight with Olajuwon in Game 5 of the 86 WCF to get Akeem ejected out of the game. And still lost anyways. :lol

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Reading the Showtime book, it sounded like Westhead had it coming.

Westhead's lackluster pro career after the Lakers leads me to believe Pearlman's side more than his. That he was fired for being a shitty coach and not some victim of an unjustified mutiny.

Also LOL Kareem,
Sound like a good summary here too?:
Paul Westhead's Vanishing Wasn't Done by 'Magic' - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1981/12/15/paul-westheads-vanishing-wasnt-done-by-magic/5adbbc5a-dd50-43cf-96a3-540065185abe/)

Broody Kream: Don't forget to add Robert Parish in 84 including the clutch Game 7 steal. Huge reason (IMO) Celts derailed in 1985 was Bitch Kupchaks super cheat shot injuring Parrish. Lefty saw it and can testify.
Lakers did play much better in 85 tho.

[lefty]

Seriously, my biggest Kupchack memory is him starting a fight with Olajuwon in Game 5 of the 86 WCF to get Akeem ejected out of the game. And still lost anyways. :lol
Lol I’m sure Riley was behind that fight, he knew it would result in an uneven ejection

Desperate move down 3-1 imo

Not surprisingly, Riley’s Heat started a brawl down 3-1-vs NY in 1997

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:lol now I want to read the Showtime book by Jeff Pearlman


Yeah that part was known ….
Is the truth out there in book form?
Any book(s) other then Showtime you have read or know have accuracy?

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While Magic claims he won't watch Winning Time (and none of us believe that).....

EJ Johnson Steals the Show in Silver Gown as He Hits Dad Magic Johnson's Doc Premiere with Family (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/entertainment-celebrity/ej-johnson-steals-the-show-in-silver-gown-as-he-hits-dad-magic-johnson-s-doc-premiere-with-family/ar-AAWgCjo?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=f651d95c773d4ea090763fcbbf98b2c8)

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[Ed Helicopter Jones]

But how did Magic get the AIDS?

[baseline bum]

But how did Magic get the AIDS?

Wasn't a drug user and caught it long after transfusions started screening for HIV, pretty much leaving only one way.

[Thread]

Wasn't a drug user and caught it long after transfusions started screening for HIV, pretty much leaving only one way.

The wazoo?

[Killakobe81]

Love the way they portrayed Bird as a no nonsense killer

[Killakobe81]

And the garden as a shithole

[sickdsm]

Prefer fat burger too used to them in SA they finally opened two spots in DFW …
But in n out and fat burger are appples to oranges fat is more like a restaurant style burger in n out is closer to fast food fat is more like a Red Robin Fuve guys or Johnny rocket’s stylistic wise and pricing

I've never ate at a fatburger but never got the infatuation with In n out. Medoicre at best, is it a thing like people enjoy the food more when there hungry? I have a thing for White Castle but that's just because its a greasy shitty little burger when a guy is starving......

[baseline bum]

And the garden as a shithole

Fucking disgraceful the way Boston treated Russell and his teams too. No one gave a shit because the team was too black, but all of a sudden when Cowens, Havlicek, Bird, and McHale are the faces of the franchise Boston Garden becomes this great home crowd? I remember hearing Russell saying he never played for Boston, he played for the Celtics. It's funny that Boston fan always wonders why Russell never enjoyed coming back and moved the fuck to Seattle as soon as he could when Boston fan only started giving a shit once the Celtics started becoming white.

[Killakobe81]

I've never ate at a fatburger but never got the infatuation with In n out. Medoicre at best, is it a thing like people enjoy the food more when there hungry? I have a thing for White Castle but that's just because its a greasy shitty little burger when a guy is starving......

Couple things before the big brand fast food places were open late in n out was ….
Was great for after a high school football or basketball game … also great after a movie date a bar night etc.
The other thing it had was all fresh ingredients - you can taste it in the bread veggies and beef it was never frozen
So I and plenty of Californians appreciate that a lot more than the people I know in Texas who prefer large parties.
Also cost is decent it’s gone up but it was one of the better cheap food options that and El pollo loco were my staples.
Fat burger tastes better but it is more restaurant caliber in price and taste and time to cook

[Killakobe81]

Fucking disgraceful the way Boston treated Russell and his teams too. No one gave a shit because the team was too black, but all of a sudden when Cowens, Havlicek, Bird, and McHale are the faces of the franchise Boston Garden becomes this great home crowd? I remember hearing Russell saying he never played for Boston, he played for the Celtics. It's funny that Boston fan always wonders why Russell never enjoyed coming back and moved the fuck to Seattle as soon as he could when Boston fan only started giving a shit once the Celtics started becoming white.

All facts fuck then forever …
I respect Bird …like Tatum… and udoka
But the rest of the Celtics now and forever can eat a dick.

[baseline bum]

Love the way they portrayed a no nonsense killer

After reading the book the way this show just makes shit up for drama is getting annoying. There was no losing streak to Indiana and Detroit, the Lakers swept the season series with both of them. I actually watched the real game against the Celtics from January 1980 a few days ago and it was nothing like the way they portrayed it here, plus the score was 98-98 on that last possession and Nixon sank two free throws to win 100-98, not some buzzer beater by Cooper to win by 1. But the worst is how they portray Westhead. Westhead was 50-18 and pretty well liked by the team that season according the book this show is supposed to be based on. Westhead only pissed the players off the next season when he changed from McKinney's offense and got their ass sent home in Round 1 trying to make the series against Houston Kareem vs Moses.

[baseline bum]

All facts fuck then forever …
I respect Bird …like Tatum… and udoka
But the rest of the Celtics now and forever can eat a dick.

LOL I had a friend in school who told me a rat stole his hot dog when he was at a game in Boston Garden.

[baseline bum]

Also the book makes it sound like Riley was pretty submissive to the players his first couple of years as head coach, much less starting off as Westhead's assistant.

[baseline bum]

I've never ate at a fatburger but never got the infatuation with In n out. Medoicre at best, is it a thing like people enjoy the food more when there hungry? I have a thing for White Castle but that's just because its a greasy shitty little burger when a guy is starving......

Disagree, their burgers like Killa said were fresh back when every other fast food joint was frozen crap and they have pretty fresh tasting fries, you can see them making them out of fresh potatoes if you eat inside. Plus their shakes are killer while McDonalds, Whataburger, and all have these artificial ass shakes that taste like shit. The service is good too, I never get a burnt burger or a soggy bun or any low quality shit like that because they have been paying their workers well for decades so their workers give a shit about quality control. Whereas if I go to Whataburger it's a real crapshoot; eg their patty melt is great when it's fresh, but 2/3 of the time I get one it's on soggy ass bread and fucking gross and reminds me why I don't go there much any more.

[Killakobe81]

Disagree, their burgers like Killa said were fresh back when every other fast food joint was frozen crap and they have pretty fresh tasting fries, you can see them making them out of fresh potatoes if you eat inside. Plus their shakes are killer while McDonalds, Whataburger, and all have these artificial ass shakes that taste like shit. The service is good too, I never get a burnt burger or a soggy bun or any low quality shit like that because they have been paying their workers well for decades so their workers give a shit about quality control. Whereas if I go to Whataburger it's a real crapshoot; eg their patty melt is great when it's fresh, but 2/3 of the time I get one it's on soggy ass bread and fucking gross and reminds me why I don't go there much any more.

In DFW it’s the same … two different locations in Frisco … for Whataburger and one can give you great service and fresh food the next soggy bun dry burger. In n out I taste a slight difference in Texas but service is 10x better than Whataburger in fact from. Fast food perspective only chick fil a is on par

[daslicer]

Also the book makes it sound like Riley was pretty submissive to the players his first couple of years as head coach, much less starting off as Westhead's assistant.

I don't think the portrayal of Westhead is accurate. I have watched some clips and interviews of Westhead on YouTube and he strikes me personality wise as a very strong aggressive guy that doesn't take shit from anyone. On the show they portray Westhead as this weak guy who lacks confidence and is not assertive.

[baseline bum]

I don't think the portrayal of Westhead is accurate. I have watched some clips and interviews of Westhead on YouTube and he strikes me personality wise as a very strong aggressive guy that doesn't take shit from anyone. On the show they portray Westhead as this weak guy who lacks confidence and is not assertive.

One thing the book says that really got the team to respect Westhead was that he didn't take any bullshit from Spencer Haywood and sat his ass for being a druggie despite him easily being the third, maybe even second most talented player on that team. The 79-80 team fucking hated Haywood, especially Kareem. But then Showtime asserts Westhead tried to put his own offense in the next season now that he wasn't interim anymore, some simplistic college ball shit, and the players hated it but Buss had his back.

Highly recommend reading Showtime though. It's pretty funny reading Frank Brickowski's tales of Magic's parties, made me feel bad for Brick when the Spurs traded Mychal Thompson for him. Though I'm sure life was good for him here too, I still remember Mark Olberding talking about how much he loved the Mexican pussy in San Antonio when I was a little kid rebounding for him before a game. :lol

[daslicer]

One thing the book says that really got the team to respect Westhead was that he didn't take any bullshit from Spencer Haywood and sat his ass for being a druggie despite him easily being the third, maybe even second most talented player on that team. The 79-80 team fucking hated Haywood, especially Kareem. But then Showtime asserts Westhead tried to put his own offense in the next season now that he wasn't interim anymore, some simplistic college ball shit, and the players hated it but Buss had his back.

Highly recommend reading Showtime though. It's pretty funny reading Frank Brickowski's tales of Magic's parties, made me feel bad for Brick when the Spurs traded Mychal Thompson for him. Though I'm sure life was good for him here too, I still remember Mark Olberding talking about how much he loved the Mexican pussy in San Antonio when I was a little kid rebounding for him before a game. :lol

I read 3 ring Circus which was by the same author that wrote Showtime. 3 Ring Circus was about the Shaq-Kobe Lakers from '96-'04. I found it pretty entertaining from a comedic standpoint. That team was truly filled with a bunch of clowns. Shaq and Kobe and both portrayed in the books as equally as rotten but in different ways. There are a lot of good stories about Shaq and Kobe in there that I didn't even know of. One that made me laugh was how Shaq was extremely angry after losing game 2 against the Spurs in the '02 playoffs that he confronted Devean George for playing bad and then Brian Shaw told him to cut it out. Shaq responded by grabbing Shaw by his torso and throwing him across the room and screaming "Don't' ever disrespect me like that again"

HBO should have made a show based off that book since they wouldn't have to fictionalize it for it to be entertaining. I'm not sure if they will do it in the future since Kobe looks really bad in the book even outside of the rape allegations.

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Spencer Haywood and sat his ass for being a druggie despite him easily being the third, maybe even second most talented player on that team.
Haywood must have been one incredible talent in his prime. To be that drugged out and still playing well in games on the 79-80 Flamers, wow.

[lefty]

Lol this show has made Cooper look like a fucking clown :lol

[daslicer]

Lol this show has made Cooper look like a fucking clown :lol

I was born during the 80's so I missed out on the showtime era but Cooper in his interviews on youtube does strike me as a clown.

[baseline bum]

Lol this show has made Cooper look like a fucking clown :lol

He's worse in the book. Always paranoid about getting cut, then paranoid about getting traded. He's the one who Bird was talking mad shit to in that game shown in last night's episode after Cooper talked to him like he was another Mike Dunleavy or something.

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I don't think the portrayal of Westhead is accurate. I have watched some clips and interviews of Westhead on YouTube and he strikes me personality wise as a very strong aggressive guy that doesn't take shit from anyone. On the show they portray Westhead as this weak guy who lacks confidence and is not assertive.
The show goes out of it's way to repeatedly portray Westhead as the insecure / indecive.
Completely lies about the losses and way season unfolded too. Will post next time.


One thing the book says that really got the team to respect Westhead was that he didn't take any bullshit from Spencer Haywood and sat his ass for being a druggie despite him easily being the third, maybe even second most talented player on that team. The 79-80 team fucking hated Haywood, especially Kareem. But then Showtime asserts Westhead tried to put his own offense in the next season now that he wasn't interim anymore, some simplistic college ball shit, and the players hated it but Buss had his back.79-80 b.s. portrayals below.

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Pacers 127
Lakers 104
As the team is unraveling and Westhead is having anxiety attacks.
Complete fabricated b.s.

Reality?:
Lakers 127
Pacers 104
As the Lakers improved to 14-5. Also did NOT play Detroit the next night.

"Pistons 138
Lakers 116" next night the show claims.
Complete fabricated bullshit.

Reality?
Lakers 138
Pacers 122
this was in January the night before the Lakers @ Celtics. LA@Celtics did have a large Boston lead at halftime. Was never "79-66 end of third" but LA did overcome a halftime deficit as Chris Ford shit the bed. 100-98 Lakers @ Celtics in the end. (Not sure why show spun 99-98 but whatever.) Magic scored 1 point and had 2 assists. Sounds like he got benched.

Nor was LA even in Detroit nor anywhere Michigan near XMass day.
Nor did they lose to Detroit or Indy that 79-80 season, swept both 2-0 and rolled Detroit both times.
In fact there was no lull in their win %, pretty much stayed around .666 the whole season (McKinney 10-4 Westhead 50-18). A small 3 game losing steak early had them at 14-8, that was as bad as it got. Was the ONLY place the portrayal would even slightly fit.

We can take this as a total popcorn production.

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:rolleyes more on Winning Times portrayal of Westheads 1st season being on the brink of disaster vs reality.:rollin

To say that Westhead found success in his first season in Los Angeles would be putting it mildly. His longest losing streak was two games, and that only happened twice. He had four separate win streaks of at least five games.

[baseline bum]

Jeez, Riley comes off like a huge douchebag in the Showtime book. Especially running that geriatric team into the ground in their layoff before the 89 Finals when they were on an 11-0 run having swept the first three series, getting Bryon Scott injured for the series in a rebounding drill in that time off and likely contributing to Magic's hamstring pull in Game 2. What a fuckup taking a team that was 11-0 in the playoffs and running them into the ground with a second training camp right before facing the Pistons in the Finals. Also lol that the team mostly hated Kareem after 85-86.

[lefty]

I was born during the 80's so I missed out on the showtime era but Cooper in his interviews on youtube does strike me as a clown.


He's worse in the book. Always paranoid about getting cut, then paranoid about getting traded. He's the one who Bird was talking mad shit to in that game shown in last night's episode after Cooper talked to him like he was another Mike Dunleavy or something.

:lol man I can't wait to read the books

[lefty]

Jeez, Riley comes off like a huge douchebag in the Showtime book. Especially running that geriatric team into the ground in their layoff before the 89 Finals when they were on an 11-0 run having swept the first three series, getting Bryon Scott injured for the series in a rebounding drill in that time off and likely contributing to Magic's hamstring pull in Game 2. What a fuckup taking a team that was 11-0 in the playoffs and running them into the ground with a second training camp right before facing the Pistons in the Finals. Also lol that the team mostly hated Kareem after 85-86.
Riley wanted to control everything lol; the whole playbook, the cheerleaders, the music (it's no wonder he left NY for Miami as he wanted a bigger role)

Magic also acted like a shitty teammate after Kareem retired, berating his teammates during practice, especially Divac who was a rookie and had just joined the NBA when it wasn't global yet - sp he needed an adjustment period.

Magic also led a mutiny and leaked stuff to the press to get Riley fired, creating frictions with his teammates in the process and Cooper wanting to fight him during practice

:lol Rotten club to the core, good thing their 80s titles were there to hide how dysfunctional and toxic this franchise always has been

[baseline bum]

Riley wanted to control everything lol; the whole playbook, the cheerleaders, the music (it's no wonder he left NY for Miami as he wanted a bigger role)

Magic also acted like a shitty teammate after Kareem retired, berating his teammates during practice, especially Divac who was a rookie and had just joined the NBA when it wasn't global yet - sp he needed an adjustment period.

Magic also led a mutiny and leaked stuff to the press to get Riley fired, creating frictions with his teammates in the process and Cooper wanting to fight him during practice

:lol Rotten club to the core, good thing their 80s titles were there to hide how dysfunctional and toxic this franchise always has been

Book says Riley was loved by the players early on because he was one of them, having been a role player in the 70s, and because he always welcomed their input. But by the mid 80s he started thinking he was hot shit and some superstar coach and was always pissed he didn't win COY for winning with such a ridiculously stacked roster even though scrub ass Westhead won a title with a less talented roster than any of Riley's title teams.

Also makes it sound like Magic started copying all of the bad traits of Riley once Abudl-Jabbar was gone.

[lefty]

Book says Riley was loved by the players early on because he was one of them, having been a role player in the 70s, and because he always welcomed their input. But by the mid 80s he started thinking he was hot shit and some superstar coach and was always pissed he didn't win COY for winning with such a ridiculously stacked roster even though scrub ass Westhead won a title with a less talented roster than any of Riley's title teams.

Also makes it sound like Magic started copying all of the bad traits of Riley once Abudl-Jabbar was gone.
To be fair, I can see why the players were not happy with Riley anymore; micromanaging, not listening to players suggestions anymore, and to top it off, during the Suns series, pointing the finger at every Laker for playing lie shit except Magic and singling him out in the process :lol

I just think it could have been handled better but communication has never been the Lakers' forte.

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Book says Riley was loved by the players early on because he was one of them, having been a role player in the 70s, and because he always welcomed their input. But by the mid 80s he started thinking he was hot shit and some superstar coach and was always pissed he didn't win COY for winning with such a ridiculously stacked roster even though scrub ass Westhead won a title with a less talented roster than any of Riley's title teams.

Also makes it sound like Magic started copying all of the bad traits of Riley once Abudl-Jabbar was gone.
Lenny Bias living, the Rockets guards not being decimated by Laker Stern and 85 was the end of Showtime imo.

[baseline bum]

Lenny Bias living, the Rockets guards not being decimated by Laker Stern and 85 was the end of Showtime imo.

Stern putting his foot down on coke usage after Bias was the greatest thing he ever did. The NBA was losing so much talent to cocaine. Of course Bias. Spencer Haywood was a monster, like Giannis or DRob and would have probably been better than Kareem had he never touched the blow. Micheal Ray Richardson almost singlehandedly took down the same Sixers team in 84 that went 12-1 sweeping the Lakers for a title in 83. David Thompsons career ended with a whimper thanks to coke. Ice was a shell of his former self by 31 or 32 because of coke. Stern absolutely had to stop it and I'm grateful he took a hardline on it to clean up the league. Early 80s basketball was unwatchable outside of the Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, and Bucks with all the dope fiends in the league. Besides, Mitchell Wiggins, Lewis Lloyd, Rodney McCray, and Robert Reid weren't why the Rockets took the Lakers down. Kareem always pussing out when going against a truly elite bigman is why Houston won the conference in 86, just like when they won the conference in 81 and it was Moses bending the great Kareem Abdul-Jabbar over the table.

[lefty]

^
Is that why his teammates hated him after the 86 season?

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Stern putting his foot down on coke usage.
Entire league is on coke but only Rockets guards are put out for the 1987 year by Laker Stern.

1986 was a team win, with even Lewie Lloyd and Wiggins rising to the occasion to help shut down the Lakers.
Sure, Hakeem and Ralph Sampson were keys in working the vastly over rated Kream and Worthy.

[baseline bum]

Entire league is on coke but only Rockets guards are put out for the 1987 year by Laker Stern.

1986 was a team win, with even Lewie Lloyd and Wiggins rising to the occasion to help shut down the Lakers.
Sure, Hakeem and Ralph Sampson were keys in working the vastly over rated Kream and Worthy.

Worthy's not overrated IMO, I think he was rated fine. He was never considered a franchise guy, just a really nice #2 option, which he was. Kareem being rated top 5 all-time by a lot of people though is laughable.

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Jerry West demands retraction, apology over portrayal in HBO series 'Winning Time' (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33769604/jerry-west-demands-retraction-apology-portrayal-hbo-series-winning)

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Chick Hern portrayed as a pretty douchie condescending-arrogant too. True?
And alcoholic?

:wow His daughter, Samantha Hearn, died of pneumonia May 24, 1991, brought on by anorexia.
:depressed

[lefty]

Jerry West demands retraction, apology over portrayal in HBO series 'Winning Time' (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33769604/jerry-west-demands-retraction-apology-portrayal-hbo-series-winning)

Magic went and made an entirely different show to deflect

Kareem doesnt see the humor and wrote a blog about how problematic it is

Jerry West is angry and demands an apology


mmmmmmm....... they can't handle the truth :lol

[LkrFan]

:lol at Kareem mad
:lol Logo wants an apology

[baseline bum]

Probably the most fucked up thing I found in the Showtime book was how Magic kept stringing Cookie along, like how he was going to marry her in 1984 was called it off in 1985 because he wanted to keep getting strange. He only finally married her a fucking month and a half before the HIV diagnosis. Can't believe she stuck with him and they're still married.

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^ wonder if she felt she was stuck in the projects and only way out?

https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAWhuB1.img?w=768&h=576&m=6&x=169&y=61&s=662&d=173
daughter daughter Cookie Magic daughter-in-law son.
That how it goes?

[lefty]

Oh great, The Last Gay Dance

smh :lol

[lefty]

. Can't believe she stuck with him
His bank account, simple as that.
The Los Angeles Lakers signed Magic Johnson to a 25-year, $25 million contract extension effective from 1984,

[LkrFan]

Oh great, The Last Gay Dance

smh :lol

:lol :cry

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Oh great, The Last Gay Dance

smh :lol
Was the fairy conceived before or after they married?

[lefty]

60% of this Apple Magic show js about his relationship with Cooki
meh

[baseline bum]

60% of this Apple Magic show js about his relationship with Cooki
meh

So about Magic stringing her along for twelve years and then only marrying her 1.5 months before being diagnosed as HIV positive?

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60% of this Apple Magic show js about his relationship with Cooki
meh


So about Magic stringing her along for twelve years and then only marrying her 1.5 months before being diagnosed as HIV positive?
Nov 7, 1991 HIV announcement.
June 4, 1992 EJ born

= +/- October 1991 EJ conceived.

Wait a minute you're saying Magic knew he had HIV and married Cookie about 1 1/2 months before the public announcement?
I'm trying to get at timeframe EJ conceived / when did Magic know he had HIV. Not casting any negative aspersions on Fagic or Cookie just wondering if they conceived EJ after he found out. Like maybe we better conceive before you (Magic) are unable to (early HIV information days).

[lefty]

So about Magic stringing her along for twelve years and then only marrying her 1.5 months before being diagnosed as HIV positive?
pretty much lol

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Update:

The newlyweds had also just found out she was pregnant with their first child, E.J., now 24. Johnson said she agonized while she waited for her test results for herself and her unborn child.


"I was scared to death about the baby. I mean, I had just found out I was pregnant so it was really early in the pregnancy," she said. "In those days, you had to wait almost 10 days to get your results back, so that was agonizing. And then, finally, the results came in and what they told me was that if the mother is negative, then the baby is automatically negative. And they didn't have to worry about trying to test the baby because, really, I mean, he hadn't really formed yet, actually. I mean, it was very early on.”
Johnson also shared her heartache as she waited behind closed doors as her husband made phone calls to the various men he had slept with.
"It was like, 'Who is he calling? You know, why is he in there so long?' she said. "That was a difficult day."

Cookie Johnson: 'I Fell to My Knees' When Magic Revealed His HIV Diagnosis - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/cookie-johnson-fell-knees-magic-revealed-hiv-diagnosis/story?id=42141924)

[baseline bum]

I read 3 ring Circus which was by the same author that wrote Showtime. 3 Ring Circus was about the Shaq-Kobe Lakers from '96-'04. I found it pretty entertaining from a comedic standpoint. That team was truly filled with a bunch of clowns. Shaq and Kobe and both portrayed in the books as equally as rotten but in different ways. There are a lot of good stories about Shaq and Kobe in there that I didn't even know of. One that made me laugh was how Shaq was extremely angry after losing game 2 against the Spurs in the '02 playoffs that he confronted Devean George for playing bad and then Brian Shaw told him to cut it out. Shaq responded by grabbing Shaw by his torso and throwing him across the room and screaming "Don't' ever disrespect me like that again"

HBO should have made a show based off that book since they wouldn't have to fictionalize it for it to be entertaining. I'm not sure if they will do it in the future since Kobe looks really bad in the book even outside of the rape allegations.

I'm about halfway through Three Ring Circus and it's nowhere near as good as his Showtime book, not even close. Three Ring Circus feels so phoned in. I can't believe how quickly they rushed through the 2000-01 season when that's when Shaq & Kobe came so close to being broken up but instead became one of the top 4 or 5 teams in league history. All the trade rumors all season swept under the rug and the Bibby + Abdur Rahim for Kobe deal that nearly happened is mentioned only in passing with Shaq telling a reporter how high taxes are in Canada with Kobe in earshot. Don't know how you sum up the sweeps against the Kings and Spurs in one sentence either. That's when Kobe truly emerged as a superstar and just not even mentioning the hate Kobe had motivating him after the Kings took them to 5 in 2000 and the Spurs swept them in 1999 was a pretty huge oversight. And not mentioning Fisher's ridiculous WCF?

I was really looking forward to reading about 2000-01 in Three Ring Circus but it just ran through that season in a blur without having much interesting to say other than Shaq and Kobe hating each other. Really disappointing. Not even sure I want to finish the book after how how one of the most interesting seasons a team has ever had got such abridged coverage.

[baseline bum]

Nov 7, 1991 HIV announcement.
June 4, 1992 EJ born

= +/- October 1991 EJ conceived.

Wait a minute you're saying Magic knew he had HIV and married Cookie about 1 1/2 months before the public announcement?
I'm trying to get at timeframe EJ conceived / when did Magic know he had HIV. Not casting any negative aspersions on Fagic or Cookie just wondering if they conceived EJ after he found out. Like maybe we better conceive before you (Magic) are unable to (early HIV information days).

He failed a physical for a life insurance policy in late October 1991, which is how his HIV+ status was found out, my guess is he was taking it out for Cookie right after getting married. I don't believe for a second he got Cookie pregnant with EJ knowing he was positive though, back in 1991 HIV was considered a death sentence and the virus still wasn't that well understood.

EDIT: Exact date was October 25th, 1991 when the Lakers team doctor called him and told him to forget playing the preseason game in Utah and get his ass on a plane back to LA to give him the news.

[MultiTroll]

He failed a physical for a life insurance policy in late October 1991, which is how his HIV+ status was found out, my guess is he was taking it out for Cookie right after getting married. I don't believe for a second he got Cookie pregnant with EJ knowing he was positive though, back in 1991 HIV was considered a death sentence and the virus still wasn't that well understood.

EDIT: Exact date was October 25th, 1991 when the Lakers team doctor called him and told him to forget playing the preseason game in Utah and get his ass on a plane back to LA to give him the news.
So sounds like quite a story for EJ phans.
Was conceived just prior to Magic learning of his HIV.

Unless Magics HIV is all a publicity stunt. :lmao

[lefty]

Stern forced Magic to retire to promote MJ more and have him come back in 96 to creat a buzz and have him play vs Jordan one last time

[ambchang]

Update:

The newlyweds had also just found out she was pregnant with their first child, E.J., now 24. Johnson said she agonized while she waited for her test results for herself and her unborn child.


"I was scared to death about the baby. I mean, I had just found out I was pregnant so it was really early in the pregnancy," she said. "In those days, you had to wait almost 10 days to get your results back, so that was agonizing. And then, finally, the results came in and what they told me was that if the mother is negative, then the baby is automatically negative. And they didn't have to worry about trying to test the baby because, really, I mean, he hadn't really formed yet, actually. I mean, it was very early on.”
Johnson also shared her heartache as she waited behind closed doors as her husband made phone calls to the various men he had slept with.
"It was like, 'Who is he calling? You know, why is he in there so long?' she said. "That was a difficult day."

Cookie Johnson: 'I Fell to My Knees' When Magic Revealed His HIV Diagnosis - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/cookie-johnson-fell-knees-magic-revealed-hiv-diagnosis/story?id=42141924)

I always thought magic being gay/bi was a rumour created by isiah Thomas to backstab him or something by like that.

[lefty]

I always thought magic being gay/bi was a rumour created by isiah Thomas to backstab him or something by like that.

No it was a BS story created by Magic’s agent

[baseline bum]

I always thought magic being gay/bi was a rumour created by isiah Thomas to backstab him or something by like that.

Do you really believe Magic got HIV from fucking women though? I don't buy that for a second, and he got it way too late for it to have been from a transfusion.

[Killakobe81]

I'm about halfway through Three Ring Circus and it's nowhere near as good as his Showtime book, not even close. Three Ring Circus feels so phoned in. I can't believe how quickly they rushed through the 2000-01 season when that's when Shaq & Kobe came so close to being broken up but instead became one of the top 4 or 5 teams in league history. All the trade rumors all season swept under the rug and the Bibby + Abdur Rahim for Kobe deal that nearly happened is mentioned only in passing with Shaq telling a reporter how high taxes are in Canada with Kobe in earshot. Don't know how you sum up the sweeps against the Kings and Spurs in one sentence either. That's when Kobe truly emerged as a superstar and just not even mentioning the hate Kobe had motivating him after the Kings took them to 5 in 2000 and the Spurs swept them in 1999 was a pretty huge oversight. And not mentioning Fisher's ridiculous WCF?

I was really looking forward to reading about 2000-01 in Three Ring Circus but it just ran through that season in a blur without having much interesting to say other than Shaq and Kobe hating each other. Really disappointing. Not even sure I want to finish the book after how how one of the most interesting seasons a team has ever had got such abridged coverage.

Agreed. It’s good or at least interesting but they fumbled the bag.

[baseline bum]

Agreed. It’s good or at least interesting but they fumbled the bag.

I'm not really finding Three Ring Circus good at all. I read the chapter on the Sacramento series and they made it sound like the Kings dominated Game 3 wire to wire, which is total bullshit because the Lakers went on a monster run in the third quarter that game which mirrored the Kings' Game 4 collapse. I was watching that Game 4 with a bunch of Laker fan friends from school and told them Horry was going to win them that game during the timeout when the Lakers were down two. :lol

And after that Game 3 collapse wasn't surprised at all to see the Kings actually cough up Game 4 from 25 up or whatever their biggest lead was.

[ambchang]

Do you really believe Magic got HIV from fucking women though? I don't buy that for a second, and he got it way too late for it to have been from a transfusion.

To be honest I’ve always thought that. I guess I just took magics word for it. Not sure why he’s so ashamed of it but I guess it was a different time.

[MultiTroll]

Jordan forced Magic to retire by taking him to the woodshed while Stern brought Magic back in 96 to creat a buzz and have him play vs Jordan one last time
fify

[lefty]

fify

nah Jordan was lucky the Lakers were injured

[james evans]

Probably the most fucked up thing I found in the Showtime book was how Magic kept stringing Cookie along, like how he was going to marry her in 1984 was called it off in 1985 because he wanted to keep getting strange. He only finally married her a fucking month and a half before the HIV diagnosis. Can't believe she stuck with him and they're still married.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/98b41254e8ebbbddff34e90471a934c4/tumblr_p2r2c9gGzs1r7dh6wo1_250.gif

[Killakobe81]

I always thought magic being gay/bi was a rumour created by isiah Thomas to backstab him or something by like that.

I remember Isiah saying something slick like … underrated player but a snake ass nicca

[lefty]

I remember Isiah saying something slick like … underrated player but a snake ass nicca
no it was Tragic’s agent who started that shit

[Killakobe81]

no it was Tragic’s agent who started that shitmaybe but Isiah always plays in to the victim role the quintessential throw rocks and try to hide your hands type…
You a killer cut throat just own it.
To hear him tell it MJ Magic Malone Team USA all wronged him with No provocation… fuck Malone but he is the common denominator

[ambchang]

Those superstars back in the day were all snakes.
Bird = horrible father
Zeke = minsogynst
Magic = coach killer and adulterer
Ewing - gold club
Hakeem - underaged bride
Stockton - right winger nut
Iverson - hoodrat
Kobe - rapist
Garnett - Garnett
Jordan - psychopath
Malone - worst of the worst scum bag

Totally cut throat back in yesterdays nba.

[baseline bum]

Those superstars back in the day were all snakes.
Bird = horrible father
Zeke = minsogynst
Magic = coach killer and adulterer
Ewing - gold club
Hakeem - underaged bride
Stockton - right winger nut
Iverson - hoodrat
Kobe - rapist
Garnett - Garnett
Jordan - psychopath
Malone - worst of the worst scum bag

Totally cut throat back in yesterdays nba.

Could have just said

K. Malone - Child rapist

[baseline bum]

One of the funniest things about this show was finding out too black for Milwaukee Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had a white woman girlfriend for years. Thought that shit had to be fake but the book confirmed. At least she had the good son with Kareem, the doctor, not the stabbed his neighbor son.

[ambchang]

One of the funniest things about this show was finding out too black for Milwaukee Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had a white woman girlfriend for years. Thought that shit had to be fake but the book confirmed. At least she had the good son with Kareem, the doctor, not the stabbed his neighbor son.

He never asked to go to Detroit or Chicago, which were two of the most Muslim friendly cities back then. He asked to go to NY or LA. Total bill right there.

[lefty]

maybe but Isiah always plays in to the victim role

So does Magic

[daslicer]

One of the funniest things about this show was finding out too black for Milwaukee Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had a white woman girlfriend for years. Thought that shit had to be fake but the book confirmed. At least she had the good son with Kareem, the doctor, not the stabbed his neighbor son.

He also knocked up some white woman in San Antonio giving him his youngest son out of his 5 children. That son would grow up to be Adam Abdul-Jabbar the one who got in recent trouble for stabbing his neighbor.

[baseline bum]

He also knocked up some white woman in San Antonio giving him his youngest son out of his 5 children. That son would grow up to be Adam Abdul-Jabbar the one who got in recent trouble for stabbing his neighbor.

LOL. You got a link? That's hilarious.

[lefty]

He also knocked up some white woman in San Antonio giving him his youngest son out of his 5 children. That son would grow up to be Adam Abdul-Jabbar the one who got in recent trouble for stabbing his neighbor.

He also told said son be was a mistake

Kream and Bird are terrible fathers

[baseline bum]

So I have been reading Three Ring Circus about the 1996-04 Lakers, and holy fuck, Sam Cassell doing his big balls dance after hitting a game winner vs the Kings in the previous round injured his hip and cost the Wolves a trip to the Finals. We were all blinded to how shitty that 04 Laker team was and all the luck they had go their way in the WC playoffs because of how good they were in 00 and 01. Easy to see why the Pistons just mopped the floor with them.

[baseline bum]

He also told said son be was a mistake

Kream and Bird are terrible fathers

link?

[Killakobe81]

One of the funniest things about this show was finding out too black for Milwaukee Kareem Abdul-Jabbar had a white woman girlfriend for years. Thought that shit had to be fake but the book confirmed. At least she had the good son with Kareem, the doctor, not the stabbed his neighbor son.

His pro black stance … didn’t preclude him for chasing a Becky

[Killakobe81]

So I have been reading Three Ring Circus about the 1996-04 Lakers, and holy fuck, Sam Cassell doing his big balls dance after hitting a game winner vs the Kings in the previous round injured his hip and cost the Wolves a trip to the Finals. We were all blinded to how shitty that 04 Laker team was and all the luck they had go their way in the WC playoffs because of how good they were in 00 and 01. Easy to see why the Pistons just mopped the floor with them.

Spurs could have and should have beat them too …
Bad chemistry and the Kobe trial they were lucky to make Finals
Not sure why everyone thought pistons winning was an upset they were clearly the better team all year.

[daslicer]

So I have been reading Three Ring Circus about the 1996-04 Lakers, and holy fuck, Sam Cassell doing his big balls dance after hitting a game winner vs the Kings in the previous round injured his hip and cost the Wolves a trip to the Finals. We were all blinded to how shitty that 04 Laker team was and all the luck they had go their way in the WC playoffs because of how good they were in 00 and 01. Easy to see why the Pistons just mopped the floor with them.

The '03-'04 season part of the book made my blood pressure go up. All year that team was in disarray they couldn't even conduct a practice or implement their system but some how they lucked off of that farce of a shot .4. A lot of fluky things went their way up until they played the Pistons and were exposed.

[daslicer]

LOL. You got a link? That's hilarious.

If you google it you will see Adam's mom is from San Antonio. He once did a reddit about Kareem Abdul Jabbar 9 years ago about how Kareem met his mom randomly in San Antonio during the early 90's. I don't know what he was doing in SA at the time but he was there for some event. In that reddit he bashed Kareem for being a terrible father. He eventually took down the reddit a few years ago. I suspect he took it down because Kareem started taking care of him by giving him money to silence him. Even recently I just looked up the charges he got for stabbing his neighbor and it was only 6 months in jail and 2 years probation. I definitely believe Kareem paid for his lawyers to get him out of the mess.

Here are parts of the reddit

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=512561

[baseline bum]

Spurs could have and should have beat them too …
Bad chemistry and the Kobe trial they were lucky to make Finals
Not sure why everyone thought pistons winning was an upset they were clearly the better team all year.

That was when Jackson decided to just leave Hedo Turkoglu wide open every possession and throw four people in the lane to stop Parker, and Turkoglu let his inner Sacramento King shine through and it worked. I remember Tex Winters saying he didn't think they had any chance to beat the Spurs that year. Ugh if the Spurs would have kept Stephen Jackson they would have mopped the floor with that 04 Lakers team.

[Killakobe81]

The '03-'04 season part of the book made my blood pressure go up. All year that team was in disarray they couldn't even conduct a practice or implement their system but some how they lucked off of that farce of a shot .4. A lot of fluky things went their way up until they played the Pistons and were exposed.

As a Laker can’t can’t disagree with any of this all facts

[lefty]

Wtf is that Dr.J casting?
:lol

[baseline bum]

Wtf is that Dr.J casting?
:lol

LOL no shit, Julius looked about 48 there.

[baseline bum]

On one hand Wood Harris is too good an actor to play a bit role. On the other, this is total fantasy about Haywood. The players hated him for his drug use and respected Westhead for standing up to him and having the balls to bench someone of his talent when he wasn't all there for the team.

[MultiTroll]

McKinney really try to get back in the 79-80 season and was there acrimony?
Google aint saying much about McK coming back that same season.

[baseline bum]

McKinney really try to get back in the 79-80 season and was there acrimony?
Google aint saying much about McK coming back that same season.

Book says he couldn't even recognize who Buss was when they met so guessing he was never given that kind of access to the team again.

[lefty]

Jerry Buss went from shedding tears to sucking on some titties

[Killakobe81]

Jerry Buss went from shedding tears to sucking on some titties

Buss a savage … and he saw an easy kill but still played in emotions to seal the deal … he a cold motherfucker.
Paying for college is in the old sugar daddy playbook
Chris Rock joked he put more strippers through college than the United Negro College Fund

[baseline bum]

Buss a savage … and he saw an easy kill but still played in emotions to seal the deal … he a cold motherfucker.
Paying for college is in the old sugar daddy playbook
Chris Rock joked he put more strippers through college than the United Negro College Fund

Nah man nurse is the cold motherfucker, getting sad old man to pay for her college for a blowjob or two.

[lefty]

Chris Rock joked he put more strippers through college than the United Negro College Fund

:lol

[MultiTroll]

60% of this Apple Magic show js about his relationship with Cooki
meh
Tried watching Magics interview with Jimmy Kimmel about this documentary and honestly could only tolerate about 2 minutes of Magic. And that's going in expecting Magic to be a self centered douche. I just wanted some info on the doc, was fully prepared to put up with his act.

Besides being narcissistic what is his mental condition?
Seriously looks and sounds like a fruit tard. The super fake laugh, the endless talking about himself. Kimmel was such a suck up, obviously because Kimmel was given some bit part in the doc.

[MultiTroll]

Buss a savage … and he saw an easy kill but still played in emotions to seal the deal … he a cold motherfucker.
Paying for college is in the old sugar daddy playbook
Chris Rock joked he put more strippers through college than the United Negro College Fund


Nah man nurse is the cold motherfucker, getting sad old man to pay for her college for a blowjob or two.
You guys the nurse and Buss both came across as super cold douches. :lol

Buss' mom is portrayed as alcoholic / heavy drinker, at least appears that way.
Show burns on Chick Hearn as being alki too wth? :lol

[daslicer]

Nah man nurse is the cold motherfucker, getting sad old man to pay for her college for a blowjob or two.

I thought the same exact thing how the nurse played her cards right with Buss. She could sense he was an ODB who was desperate for action and was emotionally vulnerable to be taken advantage of.

[Killakobe81]

Nah think y’all wrong I think that gonna come back to bite Busss ….
Actress played it cold yes but it also didn’t look like she was in to it …
But we will see I don’t think he had outside kids …but I think that is not a one off story

[MultiTroll]

Jerry West Threatens To Involve Supreme Court Over His Portrayal In HBO's 'Winning Time': "The Series Made Us All Look Like Cartoon Characters." (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/jerry-west-threatens-to-involve-supreme-court-over-his-portrayal-in-hbo-s-winning-time-the-series-made-us-all-look-like-cartoon-characters/ar-AAWD8cf?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c6bfd793bd6f42d5b56ad5b8506af1e0)

:lol West fattening some lawyers account.

[Killakobe81]

Jerry West Threatens To Involve Supreme Court Over His Portrayal In HBO's 'Winning Time': "The Series Made Us All Look Like Cartoon Characters." (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/entertainment/news/jerry-west-threatens-to-involve-supreme-court-over-his-portrayal-in-hbo-s-winning-time-the-series-made-us-all-look-like-cartoon-characters/ar-AAWD8cf?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=c6bfd793bd6f42d5b56ad5b8506af1e0)

:lol West fattening some lawyers account.

Come on West, any intelligent person is taking it as a loose over the top adaptation…

[baseline bum]

Come on West, any intelligent person is taking it as a loose over the top adaptation…

Yeah but the target market is Laker fans.

[ambchang]

Come on West, any intelligent person is taking it as a loose over the top adaptation…

He's probably fretting because there is too much truth in there.

[KobesAchilles]

Yeah but the target market is Laker fans.
:lmao

[Killakobe81]

Yeah but the target market is Laker fans.

Well played, asshole! Lol

[baseline bum]

Well played, asshole! Lol

Speaking of well played assholes, have you checked Magic's show on Apple TV? Is it any good?

[lefty]

Speaking of well played assholes, have you checked Magic's show on Apple TV? Is it any good?

You mean the Magic - Cookie relationship show?
it sucks

[Killakobe81]

Speaking of well played assholes, have you checked Magic's show on Apple TV? Is it any good?

First two episodes are more focused on hoops last two are a love story and homage to how magic brought Starbucks and movies to the “hood” he does deserve credit for that but this was even more self serving than the Last dance at times

[baseline bum]

First two episodes are more focused on hoops last two are a love story and homage to how magic brought Starbucks and movies to the “hood” he does deserve credit for that but this was even more self serving than the Last dance at times

I'm watching the second episode now and this 'documentary' is such bullshit. :lol

Magic saying all he did was hang out in his apartment, yeah that's how he got HIV jerking off in front of the TV :lol

Wouldn't marry Cookie until 1991 because he cared too much about winning :lmao

I'm a huge Magic fan but what a load of crap this series is. Worth watching just for the comedic value though.

[lefty]

I'm watching the second episode now and this 'documentary' is such bullshit. :lol

Magic saying all he did was hang out in his apartment, yeah that's how he got HIV jerking off in front of the TV :lol

Wouldn't marry Cookie until 1991 because he cared too much about winning :lmao

I'm a huge Magic fan but what a load of crap this series is. Worth watching just for the comedic value though.

Also about Riles leaving the Lakers, not mentioning he was forced oit by a mutiny and Magic leaking stuff to the press :lol
“I was sad when he left and we cried” :cry

[baseline bum]

Also about Riles leaving the Lakers, not mentioning he was forced oit by a mutiny and Magic leaking stuff to the press :lol
“I was sad when he left and we cried” :cry

From Showtime sounded like the whole team had tuned Riley out and wanted him gone, especially after he ran them into the ground and got Scott and Magic injured for the 89 Finals. He did a similar training camp before the 87 Finals but that was a younger, better, and healthier team while 89 they seemed to be running on fumes and it was the wrong call, and really pissed hte players off.

I really don't think Magic was wrong to run Westhead early in the 81-82 season. The team gave his system a full season in 80-81 and it was disastrous not letting them run anymore and then deciding just dump it into Kareem every time like they did before Magic got there. All Westhead had to do was just use McKinney's system from 79-80. The players really seemed to like Westhead before he changed up the offense.

[lefty]

From Showtime sounded like the whole team had tuned Riley out and wanted him gone, especially after he ran them into the ground and got Scott and Magic injured for the 89 Finals. He did a similar training camp before the 87 Finals but that was a younger, better, and healthier team while 89 they seemed to be running on fumes and it was the wrong call, and really pissed hte players off.

I really don't think Magic was wrong to run Westhead early in the 81-82 season. The team gave his system a full season in 80-81 and it was disastrous not letting them run anymore and then deciding just dump it into Kareem every time like they did before Magic got there. All Westhead had to do was just use McKinney's system from 79-80. The players really seemed to like Westhead before he changed up the offense.

Looks like communication has always been a huge problem in that franchise lol

[MultiTroll]

I really don't think Magic was wrong to run Westhead early in the 81-82 season. The team gave his system a full season in 80-81 and it was disastrous not letting them run anymore and then deciding just dump it into Kareem every time like they did before Magic got there. All Westhead had to do was just use McKinney's system from 79-80. The players really seemed to like Westhead before he changed up the offense.
I'll see if i can find the link again but it had quotes including Westhead that said bullshit to any slowing it down notions. Kept the same run and gun that won in 80


Meh NYTimes is blocking it now. Went into detail.
Here is a seperate blurb from UPI:
Westhead disagreed with Buss's comment that the Lakers' running game had been slowed down by the newly implemented offense.
'I relentlessly pursued a running game,' Westhead said. 'I am a fastbreak basketball coach.'

Ironically the Flamers won 5 games in a row under Westhead prior to Magic kicking him out.

[MultiTroll]

Wow, IRL West could not stand Norm Nixons continual puffed ego and had private eyes follow him for drug use.

Jerry West Sunk to an Unthinkable Low to Rid the Lakers of Norm Nixon (sportscasting.com) (https://www.sportscasting.com/jerry-west-sunk-unthinkable-low-rid-lakers-norm-nixon/)

[lefty]

Most toxic club ever

[baseline bum]

Wow, IRL West could not stand Norm Nixons continual puffed ego and had private eyes follow him for drug use.

Jerry West Sunk to an Unthinkable Low to Rid the Lakers of Norm Nixon (sportscasting.com) (https://www.sportscasting.com/jerry-west-sunk-unthinkable-low-rid-lakers-norm-nixon/)

Yeah that was in the Showtime book.

[baseline bum]

I'll see if i can find the link again but it had quotes including Westhead that said bullshit to any slowing it down notions. Kept the same run and gun that won in 80


Meh NYTimes is blocking it now. Went into detail.
Here is a seperate blurb from UPI:
Westhead disagreed with Buss's comment that the Lakers' running game had been slowed down by the newly implemented offense.
'I relentlessly pursued a running game,' Westhead said. 'I am a fastbreak basketball coach.'

Ironically the Flamers won 5 games in a row under Westhead prior to Magic kicking him out.

Of course Westhead isn't going to take any blame. He also said he tried to slow things down because of Magic's injury but Pearlman claims Westhead did it from the start of the season, wanting a lot of control over the offense to leave his imprint on the team so no one could say he was just rolling out the balls for McKinney's team. Said the players hated it because he tried to run a college like offense where every player had to go to a specific spot on the floor to initiate the offense. I gotta trust Pearlman's word over Westhead trying to re-write his legacy, especially since Pearlman never seemed like he took anyone's side in the Showtime book.

[MultiTroll]

^ Interesting.

Killakobe do you or anyone you know go back that far / reviewed games to know?
Would be interesting to know for a fact what really came down.
Fagic was 2-14 in the clinching 2-1 1st round loss to Houston, wonder if that was due to Westheads purported restrictions or if Fagic just laid an egg and needed someone to blame.

I've watched the 81 Celts and Sixers recordings but was only interested in the Lakers as far as being eliminated. Did not view.
I did think that 81 Houston team was pretty damn good.