What is "woke"?

[Winehole23]

the other 10% is basically just homophobia

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fg2nObaUYAAm-Of?format=jpg&name=small

[TSA]

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1589661736105545730

:rollin

[boutons_deux]

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1589661736105545730

:rollin

I realize your intellectual challenge as you struggle to answer,

but what do you think Whitmer message was in that phrasing?

Whitmer signed a bill removing the state sales tax on feminine hygiene products

[Winehole23]

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1589661736105545730

:rollindo you think there need to be laws against stuff like this?

why or why not?

[Winehole23]

US states outlawing slavery in the 21st century, why is that still needful to do?

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[Blake]

I guess they wanted to keep the door open, just in case

[Winehole23]

I guess they wanted to keep the door open, just in caseno, no

the slavery loophole in the 13th Amendment is finally starting to close in the final few hold outs.

[FrostKing]

US states outlawing slavery in the 21st century, why is that still needful to do?

1590208198857850880
https://i.ibb.co/6ZBGT2p/Screenshot-20221110-000937-Chrome.jpg

The priorities of some people in 2022. On others hard working dime...

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/6ZBGT2p/Screenshot-20221110-000937-Chrome.jpg

The priorities of some people in 2022. On others hard working dime...Why do you only post screenshots. Where do you get them?

[Winehole23]

Michigan voters seem to have been put off by demagoguing trans people and having rights taken away.

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[Winehole23]

Apparently, any discussion of oppression and privilege is prohibited.


"The State of Florida's decision to choose which viewpoints are worthy of illumination and which must remain in the shadows has implications for us all," Walker wrote. "But the First Amendment does not permit the State of Florida to muzzle its university professors, impose its own orthodoxy of viewpoints, and cast us all into the dark."https://www.npr.org/2022/11/18/1137836712/college-university-florida-woke-desantis-1984

[Winehole23]

"Shooting dangerous queers, like the GOP, FB and Twitter encourage us to"


The man suspected of killing five people and injuring others at a gay bar in Colorado Springs (https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/colorado-nightclub-shooting-multiple-dead-several-hurt-in-attack-at-club-q-police-say) is facing murder and hate crime charges, according to online court records obtained Monday.


Anderson Lee Aldrich, 22, faces five murder charges and five charges of committing a bias-motivated crime causing bodily injury, the records show.



A law enforcement official said the suspect used an AR-15-style semiautomatic weapon in Saturday night's attack, but a handgun and additional ammunition magazines also were recovered. The official could not discuss details of the investigation publicly and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/colorado-gay-bar-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-murder-hate-crime-charges

[ChumpDumper]

"Shooting dangerous queers, like the GOP, FB and Twitter encourage us to"

https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/colorado-gay-bar-shooting-suspect-anderson-lee-aldrich-murder-hate-crime-charges

Don't forget grandpa!

...Aldrich is the grandson of outgoing California Republican State Assemblymember Randy Voepel, the former mayor of Santee, California. Voepel represents the 71st District in the San Diego area. There were calls to expel Voepel from the state Assembly after he made comments comparing the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol to the Revolutionary War. Aldrich’s mother, Laura Voepel, has written posts praising Randy Voepel on Facebook and confirming he is her father.

“This is Lexington and Concord. First shots fired against tyranny,” Randy Voepel, who was defeated in a Republican primary in August 2022, said in a San Diego Union-Tribune article three days after January 6. “Tyranny will follow in the aftermath of the Biden swear-in on January 20th.” According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, Voepel “later tweeted that he condemned violence and lawlessness.”

https://heavy.com/news/anderson-lee-aldrich/

[Winehole23]

Don't forget grandpa!

...Aldrich is the grandson of outgoing California Republican State Assemblymember Randy Voepel, the former mayor of Santee, California. Voepel represents the 71st District in the San Diego area. There were calls to expel Voepel from the state Assembly after he made comments comparing the January 6, 2021, attack on the Capitol to the Revolutionary War. Aldrich’s mother, Laura Voepel, has written posts praising Randy Voepel on Facebook and confirming he is her father.

“This is Lexington and Concord. First shots fired against tyranny,” Randy Voepel, who was defeated in a Republican primary in August 2022, said in a San Diego Union-Tribune article three days after January 6. “Tyranny will follow in the aftermath of the Biden swear-in on January 20th.” According to the San Diego Union-Tribune, Voepel “later tweeted that he condemned violence and lawlessness.”

https://heavy.com/news/anderson-lee-aldrich/It's a total mystery how the charges against the shooter for threatening to blow up his mom last year got dropped. How he got an AR-15 after that is another head scratcher.

[Winehole23]

Fleeting exposure to woke books and drag shows will turn your kid gay, but the persistent, fact-free demonization of gays and trans as pedophile groomers cannot in any way be connected to violence.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiL-_8dXkAM4aRN?format=jpg&name=large

[spurraider21]

grooming is when gay people exist

[Winehole23]

Characterizing gays and trans as child predators creates a permission structure for violence that can be extended to anyone who sides with with the victims against propaganda and violence. It's one to one comparable with calling Jews corrupters of youth.

[Spurminator]

It's crazy how many incels give a shit what other people take their own kids to.

[vy65]

Characterizing gays and trans as child predators creates a permission structure for violence that can be extended to anyone who sides with with the victims against propaganda and violence. It's one to one comparable with calling Jews corrupters of youth.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmao

What's the funny part to you?

[spurraider21]

What's the funny part to you?
i'm glad we gave women rights
i'm glad we gave black people rights
i'm glad we gave gay people rights

trans people? whats next, DOGS?

[vy65]

What's the funny part to you?

All these slopes, they’re oh so slippery

[DarrinS]

Trannies should run day care centers tbh. Because, why not. :lmao

[Winehole23]

Trannies should run day care centers tbh. Because, why not. :lmaowhy not?

[ChumpDumper]

All these slopes, they’re oh so slippery
What does that mean?

Trannies should run day care centers tbh. Because, why not. :lmao
Is this a problem in your zip code?

[ElNono]

Trannies should run day care centers tbh. Because, why not. :lmao

They don't?

[Winehole23]

Trump is getting more anti-woke all the time


Former U.S. President Donald Trump hosted Kanye West at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida alongside Nick Fuentes, a Holocaust revisionist who has openly questioned the number of Jews killed by the Nazis.

The meeting, which has not been confirmed by Trump, would be among his most notable associations with extremists with histories of explicit antisemitic remarks, days after declaring his 2024 presidential candidacy.https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2022-11-24/ty-article/.premium/trump-hosts-holocaust-revisionist-nick-fuentes-and-kanye-west-at-mar-a-lago/00000184-a9a8-dd96-ad8c-eba891ed0000

[Winehole23]

very anti-woke

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[Winehole23]

Trump talks with white nationalist Nick Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago dinner (https://www.axios.com/2022/11/25/trump-nick-fuentes-ye-kanye)

Kanye West very much wanted to visit Mar-a-Lago. Our dinner meeting was intended to be Kanye and me only, but he arrived with a guest whom I had never met and knew nothing about.

[baseline bum]

Trannies should run day care centers tbh. Because, why not. :lmao

LOL more concerned about a transsexual in charge at a day care than a nazi insurrectionist in charge of nuclear launches.

[Blake]

why not?

Because they already terrify him at the library

[baseline bum]

Because they already terrify him at the library

Bad enough for him that blacks run day care centers since he was also terrified of them.

[Monostradamus]

Because they already terrify him at the library

They serve Busch Light at libraries now?

[Spurminator]

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[vy65]

The malicious, historically illiterate 1619 Project keeps rolling on

The New York Times is like God, who, if Genesis reported Creation correctly, beheld His handiwork and decided “it was very good.” The Times is comparably pleased with itself concerning its creation, “The 1619 Project.”

This began in August 2019 as a special edition of the paper’s Sunday magazine. Now it has become a book by which the Times continues attempting to “reframe” U.S. history. In the Times, an advertisement for the Times’s book describes it as “a dramatic expansion of a groundbreaking work of journalism.” That description damages journalism’s reputation for respecting facts, which the 2019 writing that begot this book did not do. The 1619 Project’s tendentiousness reeks of political purpose.

The Times’s original splashy assertion – slightly fudged after the splash garnered a Pulitzer Prize – was that the American Revolution, the most important event in our history, was shameful because a primary reason it was fought was to preserve slavery. The war was supposedly ignited by a November 1775 British offer of freedom to Blacks who fled slavery and joined British forces. Well.

That offer came after increasingly volcanic American reactions to various British provocations: After the 1765 Stamp Act. After the 1770 Boston Massacre. After the 1773 Boston Tea Party. After the 1774 Coercive Acts (including closure of Boston’s port) and other events of “The Long Year of Revolution” (the subtitle of Mary Beth Norton’s “1774”). And after, in 1775, the April 17 battles of Lexington and Concord, the June 17 battle of Bunker Hill and George Washington on July 3 assuming command of the Continental Army.

Writing history is not like doing physics. But event A cannot have caused event B if B began before A.

Addressing the American Council of Trustees and Alumni last month, Gordon S. Wood, today’s foremost scholar of America’s Founding, dissected the 1619 Project’s contentions. When the Revolution erupted, Britain “was not threatening to abolish slavery in its empire,” which included lucrative, slavery-dependent sugar-producing colonies in the Caribbean. Wood added:

“If the Virginian slaveholders had been frightened of British abolitionism, why only eight years after the war ended would the board of visitors or the trustees of the College of William & Mary, wealthy slaveholders all, award an honorary degree to Granville Sharp, the leading British abolitionist at the time? Had they changed their minds so quickly? … The New York Times has no accurate knowledge of Virginia’s Revolutionary culture and cannot begin to answer these questions.” The Times’s political agenda requires ignoring what Wood knows:

“It was the American colonists who were interested in abolitionism in 1776. … Not only were the northern states the first slaveholding governments in the world to abolish slavery, but the United States became the first nation in the world to begin actively suppressing the despicable international slave trade. The New York Times has the history completely backwards.”

George F. Will: The ‘1619 Project’ is filled with slovenliness and ideological ax-grinding

Wood’s doctoral dissertation adviser in 1960 to 1964 was Bernard Bailyn, the title of whose best-known book, “The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution,” conveys a refutation of the 1619 Project’s premise that the Revolution originated from base economic motives. When Bailyn died a year after the 1619 Project was launched, the Times’s obituary noted that he had challenged the “Progressive Era historians … who saw the founders’ revolutionary rhetoric as a mask for economic interests.” Actually, the rhetoric gave momentum to ideas that were the Revolution.

The 1619 Project, which might already be embedded in school curricula near you, reinforces the racial monomania of those progressives who argue that the nation was founded on, and remains saturated by, “systemic racism.” This racial obsession is instrumental; it serves a radical agenda that sweeps beyond racial matters. It is the agenda of clearing away all impediments, intellectual and institutional, to — in progressivism’s vocabulary — the “transformation” of the nation. The United States will be built back better when it has been instructed to be ashamed of itself and is eager to discard its disreputable heritage.

The 1619 Project aims to erase (in Wood’s words) “the Revolution and the principles that it articulated – liberty, equality and the well-being of ordinary people.” These ideas are, as Wood says, the adhesives that bind our exceptional nation whose people have shared principles, not a shared ancestry.

The Times says “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional” flows from “slavery and the anti-black racism it required.” So, the 1619 Project’s historical illiteracy is not innocent ignorance. Rather, it is maliciousness in the service of progressivism’s agenda, which is to construct a thoroughly different nation on the deconstructed rubble of what progressives hope will be the nation’s thoroughly discredited past.

https://www.goacta.org/news-item/the-malicious-historically-illiterate-1619-project-keeps-rolling-on/

[Winehole23]

If slavery was a dead letter in 1789 why did we have a Civil War over it in 1861?

If white supremacy was a dead letter in 1865, why did we need to restore civil rights to African Americans in 1964-5?

[Winehole23]

Face it, vy65, we've had full legal equality for everyone -- intermittently -- for only about 80 years. Jim Crow lasted about that long.

Do you think legislation 60 years ago killed white privilege instantly?

[Winehole23]

(Not even counting women here, that fraction of full equality is comparable.)

[Winehole23]

Leaving supposed inaccuracies about the founding and pre-founding completely aside, I don't really see how one can say with a straight face that racism and race privilege has vanished in the US.

[Winehole23]

Hell, we still have racial gerrymandering parading under the rubric of -- completely legal now -- partisan redistricting.

[Winehole23]

GOP is the white people party. Non-whites are presumptively Democrats.

God forbid the GOP should try to win their votes and their loyalty.

[Winehole23]

Republican legislatures crack and pack districts to minimize nonwhite representation instead of fighting for their votes. Very telling.

[vy65]

Leaving supposed inaccuracies about the founding and pre-founding completely aside.

:lmao

[vy65]

Facts don't matter. Expertise, rigor, and methodology can and should be disregarded if they don't agree with your political agenda. This is QAnon for the other end of the ideological spectrum.

[ChumpDumper]

Facts don't matter. Expertise, rigor, and methodology can and should be disregarded if they don't agree with your political agenda. This is QAnon for the other end of the ideological spectrum.

Are truth and factual accuracy important to the right?

[boutons_deux]

GOP is the white people party. Non-whites are presumptively Democrats.

God forbid the GOP should try to win their votes and their loyalty.

Repugs are the Euro-White Straight Male Christian party.

If you aren't one, then you are 2nd class citizen, to be discriminated against, persecuted, murdered

When corrupt, illegit, fascist, Catholic SCOTUS6 rules for web designer refusing to design for LGBT, then SCOTUS6 will be enabling discrimination against everybody the Repugs/Christians hate: LGBT, women, non-whites, non-citizens.

America is fucked and unfuckable. The Land of the UnFree

[vy65]

Are truth and factual accuracy important to the right?

I don't think they are either -- I'm not a fan of the right. But why are you asking this question? To engage in whataboutism? Do you think the repeated and documented inaccuracies of the 1619 Project do or don't matter?

[ChumpDumper]

I don't think they are either -- I'm not a fan of the right. But why are you asking this question? To engage in whataboutism? Do you think the repeated and documented inaccuracies of the 1619 Project do or don't matter?
I do think they matter.

I think they matter way more to you than anything the right lied about and continues to lie about and makes laws enshrining those lies.

I think that is a lot worse than the 1619 project that few actual people have read because unlike the 1619 project this coercively affects millions of people.

Sorry I have to put it in perspective for you but I think you are more a fan of the right than you let on.

[Spurminator]

The malicious, historically illiterate 1619 Project keeps rolling on

The New York Times is like God, who, if Genesis reported Creation correctly, beheld His handiwork and decided “it was very good.” The Times is comparably pleased with itself concerning its creation, “The 1619 Project.”

This began in August 2019 as a special edition of the paper’s Sunday magazine. Now it has become a book by which the Times continues attempting to “reframe” U.S. history. In the Times, an advertisement for the Times’s book describes it as “a dramatic expansion of a groundbreaking work of journalism.” That description damages journalism’s reputation for respecting facts, which the 2019 writing that begot this book did not do. The 1619 Project’s tendentiousness reeks of political purpose.

The Times’s original splashy assertion – slightly fudged after the splash garnered a Pulitzer Prize – was that the American Revolution, the most important event in our history, was shameful because a primary reason it was fought was to preserve slavery. The war was supposedly ignited by a November 1775 British offer of freedom to Blacks who fled slavery and joined British forces. Well.

That offer came after increasingly volcanic American reactions to various British provocations: After the 1765 Stamp Act. After the 1770 Boston Massacre. After the 1773 Boston Tea Party. After the 1774 Coercive Acts (including closure of Boston’s port) and other events of “The Long Year of Revolution” (the subtitle of Mary Beth Norton’s “1774”). And after, in 1775, the April 17 battles of Lexington and Concord, the June 17 battle of Bunker Hill and George Washington on July 3 assuming command of the Continental Army.

Writing history is not like doing physics. But event A cannot have caused event B if B began before A.

Addressing the American Council of Trustees and Alumni last month, Gordon S. Wood, today’s foremost scholar of America’s Founding, dissected the 1619 Project’s contentions. When the Revolution erupted, Britain “was not threatening to abolish slavery in its empire,” which included lucrative, slavery-dependent sugar-producing colonies in the Caribbean. Wood added:

“If the Virginian slaveholders had been frightened of British abolitionism, why only eight years after the war ended would the board of visitors or the trustees of the College of William & Mary, wealthy slaveholders all, award an honorary degree to Granville Sharp, the leading British abolitionist at the time? Had they changed their minds so quickly? … The New York Times has no accurate knowledge of Virginia’s Revolutionary culture and cannot begin to answer these questions.” The Times’s political agenda requires ignoring what Wood knows:

“It was the American colonists who were interested in abolitionism in 1776. … Not only were the northern states the first slaveholding governments in the world to abolish slavery, but the United States became the first nation in the world to begin actively suppressing the despicable international slave trade. The New York Times has the history completely backwards.”

George F. Will: The ‘1619 Project’ is filled with slovenliness and ideological ax-grinding

Wood’s doctoral dissertation adviser in 1960 to 1964 was Bernard Bailyn, the title of whose best-known book, “The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution,” conveys a refutation of the 1619 Project’s premise that the Revolution originated from base economic motives. When Bailyn died a year after the 1619 Project was launched, the Times’s obituary noted that he had challenged the “Progressive Era historians … who saw the founders’ revolutionary rhetoric as a mask for economic interests.” Actually, the rhetoric gave momentum to ideas that were the Revolution.

The 1619 Project, which might already be embedded in school curricula near you, reinforces the racial monomania of those progressives who argue that the nation was founded on, and remains saturated by, “systemic racism.” This racial obsession is instrumental; it serves a radical agenda that sweeps beyond racial matters. It is the agenda of clearing away all impediments, intellectual and institutional, to — in progressivism’s vocabulary — the “transformation” of the nation. The United States will be built back better when it has been instructed to be ashamed of itself and is eager to discard its disreputable heritage.

The 1619 Project aims to erase (in Wood’s words) “the Revolution and the principles that it articulated – liberty, equality and the well-being of ordinary people.” These ideas are, as Wood says, the adhesives that bind our exceptional nation whose people have shared principles, not a shared ancestry.

The Times says “nearly everything that has truly made America exceptional” flows from “slavery and the anti-black racism it required.” So, the 1619 Project’s historical illiteracy is not innocent ignorance. Rather, it is maliciousness in the service of progressivism’s agenda, which is to construct a thoroughly different nation on the deconstructed rubble of what progressives hope will be the nation’s thoroughly discredited past.

https://www.goacta.org/news-item/the-malicious-historically-illiterate-1619-project-keeps-rolling-on/

Discussion is fine and a healthy result of the 1619 Project, especially when it comes to the accuracy of claims, but it seems conservatives can't help but spiral that discussion into some version of "Progressives want to destroy our country and make children ashamed of themselves" at the outset.

What are the beloved and necessary American institutions the NY Times and progressives supposedly want to deconstruct here?

[vy65]

I do think they matter.

I think they matter way more to you than anything the right lied about and continues to lie about and makes laws enshrining those lies.

I think that is a lot worse than the 1619 project that few actual people have read because unlike the 1619 project this coercively affects millions of people.

Sorry I have to put it in perspective for you but I think you are more a fan of the right than you let on.

Amateur psychoanalyst take aside, we agree that the right systemically lies and that has real consequences. But this is a thread about "woke" -- and the example of the 1619 Project shows how the left also lies and how those lies have consequences. Both can be true - but you're deflecting attention away from a paradigmatic example of what "woke" portends to be and why it's a bankrupt project. Why can't you just say that you agree without giving in to playing the whatabout game?

[vy65]

Discussion is fine and a healthy result of the 1619 Project, especially when it comes to the accuracy of claims, but it seems conservatives can't help but spiral that discussion into some version of "Progressives want to destroy our country and make children ashamed of themselves" at the outset.

What are the beloved and necessary American institutions the NY Times and progressives supposedly want to deconstruct here?

What is there to discuss? Alternative facts as Nikole Hannah Jones sees it? Facts are facts - there's nothing to discuss, particularly when several historians repeatedly point out the numerous factual errors of the project. Why is that hard for you to recognize?

[Spurminator]

What is there to discuss? Alternative facts as Nikole Hannah Jones sees it? Facts are facts - there's nothing to discuss, particularly when several historians repeatedly point out the numerous factual errors of the project. Why is that hard for you to recognize?

Seems like if there are institutions that progressives are hellbent on dismantling and rebuilding, we should discuss those specifics.

I don't have any allegiance (or really even that much interest) in the 1619 Project, except insofar as it has triggered the Republican Party into trying to prevent schools from teaching about anything related to race history in the United States.

[ChumpDumper]

Amateur psychoanalyst take aside, we agree that the right systemically lies and that has real consequences. But this is a thread about "woke" -- and the example of the 1619 Project shows how the left also lies and how those lies have consequences. Both can be true - but you're deflecting attention away from a paradigmatic example of what "woke" portends to be and why it's a bankrupt project. Why can't you just say that you agree without giving in to playing the whatabout game?What are the consequences of specific 1619 inaccuracies?

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/xmggwF7/Screenshot-20221205-100659-Chrome.jpg

Check out her comments on Europe and the War in Ukraine. Countless extremists like these have recently infiltrated American academia.

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/xmggwF7/Screenshot-20221205-100659-Chrome.jpg

Check out her comments on Europe and the War in Ukraine. Countless extremists like these have recently infiltrated American academia.Post the ones that trigger you the most.

:lol @ thinking academia has been "infiltrated" and "recently"

[Winehole23]

I don't think they are either -- I'm not a fan of the right. But why are you asking this question? To engage in whataboutism? Do you think the repeated and documented inaccuracies of the 1619 Project do or don't matter?I have no problem with criticizing anyone for putative inaccuracies, but the article you posted is full of the same sort of psycholgizing and bellyaching you're complaining about. Claiming the 1619 folks hate liberty and equality and want to wreck society is pure purple prose. It's also notable that none of the inaccuracies you're bittching about are actually spelled out, the author just waves at them from afar.

For all I know, you and he might be correct, I'm not super familiar with the 1619 project apart from the backlash against it. I don't base my takes here on it and I can't think of anyone else who does, why do you want to talk about it?

If you're using it as an example of how progressive rhetoric about US history makes people upset that's obviously correct. If you hate it because it's inaccurate or incompetent that's fine too. Just trying to see the context of your complaining, it's not totally clear.

[FrostKing]

Post the ones that trigger you the most.

:lol @ thinking academia has been "infiltrated" and "recently"
Don't get me wrong, the Right also has its extremists

IMO Post Obama we had an initiative (that I supported) to bring diverse thought and viewpoints. Basically ended up just black. And alot of these types have proven to be extremist pushing divisive opinions. Which is understandable in current day America. But when it effects the youth and especially very young. It's not the biggest issue faced by today's western young (which is already handling so much) but it's on the top half. Empowering the few at the cost of the majority. IMO it contributes to the explosive suicide rates here.

[ChumpDumper]

Don't get me wrong, the Right also has its extremists

IMO Post Obama we had an initiative (that I supported) to bring diverse thought and viewpoints. Basically ended up just black. And alot of these types have proven to be extremist pushing divisive opinions.Show your numbers backing up your claim.

And the Hannah-Jones comments that triggered you the most.

Thank you in advance for not deflecting.

[spurraider21]

Facts don't matter. Expertise, rigor, and methodology can and should be disregarded if they don't agree with your political agenda. This is QAnon for the other end of the ideological spectrum.
dont think q anon can be lumped along with just about every innacurrate claim/belief

[vy65]

Seems like if there are institutions that progressives are hellbent on dismantling and rebuilding, we should discuss those specifics.

I don't have any allegiance (or really even that much interest) in the 1619 Project, except insofar as it has triggered the Republican Party into trying to prevent schools from teaching about anything related to race history in the United States.

And you don't think that the start of that conversation should be whether the 1619 Project got it right in the first place? I understand the fixation to try and paint criticism as sensationalized, but you and others are having a real hard time 1) acknowledging that the 1619 Project is wrong, sometimes egregiously so and 2) condemning it for being wrong. This is the same ends/means shit the right does all the time too.

[vy65]

dont think q anon can be lumped along with just about every innacurrate claim/belief

I was speaking in terms of methodology. In that, both the 1619 Project and QAnon disregard facts in service of a higher agenda.

[vy65]

What are the consequences of specific 1619 inaccuracies?

https://1619education.org/

Nice job not answering the question, but I'll try again: why can't you just say you agree is wrong on its history and that its inaccuracies presents a problem?

[vy65]

I have no problem with criticizing anyone for putative inaccuracies, but the article you posted is full of the same sort of psycholgizing and bellyaching you're complaining about. Claiming the 1619 folks hate liberty and equality and want to wreck society is pure purple prose. It's also notable that none of the inaccuracies you're bittching about are actually spelled out, the author just waves at them from afar.

For all I know, you and he might be correct, I'm not super familiar with the 1619 project apart from the backlash against it. I don't base my takes here on it and I can't think of anyone else who does, why do you want to talk about it?

If you're using it as an example of how progressive rhetoric about US history makes people upset that's obviously correct. If you hate it because it's inaccurate or incompetent that's fine too. Just trying to see the context of your complaining, it's not totally clear.

Those inaccuracies are spelled out in the article - specifically with the quote from Gordon S. Wood. I could post more detailed explanations from Wood and others on why the 1619 Project gets it wrong if you cared (I know you don't).

My point in posting this is threefold: 1) its relevant to the topic; 2) its wrong on the facts and should be criticized and rejected as such 2) its supporters use the same ends-justify-the-means approach that the right uses, and so is notably for that similarity. Relatedly, I find it telling that those ostensibly defending the project resort to all sorts of irrelevant tangents like "America is racist" and "stop hyperpolizing the demise of America" when neither of those two points are relevant to the central key that the project's ideology is based on blatant falsehoods. In KarrinS fashion, several posters won't even acknowledge the project's inaccuracies.

[Winehole23]

Those inaccuracies are spelled out in the article - specifically with the quote from Gordon S. Wood. I could post more detailed explanations from Wood and others on why the 1619 Project gets it wrong if you cared (I know you don't).Looks like a dispute over interpretation to me, dressed up with a rhetorical argument.


My point in posting this is threefold: 1) its relevant to the topic; 2) its wrong on the facts and should be criticized and rejected as such 2) its supporters use the same ends-justify-the-means approach that the right uses, and so is notably for that similarity. Relatedly, I find it telling that those ostensibly defending the project resort to all sorts of irrelevant tangents like "America is racist" and "stop hyperpolizing the demise of America" when neither of those two points are relevant to the central key that the project's ideology is based on blatant falsehoods. In KarrinS fashion, several posters won't even acknowledge the project's inaccuracies.Again, those inaccuracies haven't been spelled out. What's posted above are interpretive disputes rather than factual inaccuracies imho. Maybe you could be more specific about what you're talking about instead of continuing to hand wave, but it seem pretty clear what you're up to is pretending your objection to NHJ, et al applies to everyone here.

Same sort of lazy, broad brush analogizing you seem to be criticizing, tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

https://1619education.org/

Nice job not answering the question, but I'll try again: why can't you just say you agree is wrong on its history and that its inaccuracies presents a problem?I already agreed. I'm glad you agree the right is worse in this regard with real world consequences.

I'm not going to read your link because I asked you a direct question you did a nice job of not answering.

I'll try again.

What are the consequences of specific 1619 inaccuracies?

[Winehole23]

IT SERVES A WOKIST HIGHER AGENDA

[Winehole23]

vy65 got incensed by gamergate and has been on the warpath against so-called SJWs ever since, tbh.

[Spurminator]

And you don't think that the start of that conversation should be whether the 1619 Project got it right in the first place? I understand the fixation to try and paint criticism as sensationalized, but you and others are having a real hard time 1) acknowledging that the 1619 Project is wrong, sometimes egregiously so and 2) condemning it for being wrong. This is the same ends/means shit the right does all the time too.

I actually don't think that needs to be the start of the conversation, because if that was the case we'd have endless reams of online content on which to apply this litmus and signal our disapproval of untruths and inaccuracies. That would be exhausting. I haven't read it, so I can't comment confidently about its accuracy. I'm content to assume the conclusions of the blog you posted are valid (specific to the 1619 content) for the purposes of this conversation.

What I'm more interested in - as would be the case for most people - and therefore what the start of the conversation should be, is "The New York Times published content that liberals are using to fundamentally reshape the United States, and here's how."

[vy65]

Looks like a dispute over interpretation to me, dressed up with a rhetorical argument.

That's great. Pullitzer prize winning tenured professors of history at several universities say it's a dispute over facts, not interpretation. But yeah, you're probably more qualified than they to arbitrate the question.


Again, those inaccuracies haven't been spelled out. What's posted above are interpretive disputes rather than factual inaccuracies imho. Maybe you could be more specific about what you're talking about instead of continuing to hand wave, but it seem pretty clear what you're up to is pretending your objection to NHJ, et al applies to everyone here.

Same sort of lazy, broad brush analogizing you seem to be criticizing, tbh.

Those inaccuracies have been spelled out including: a) was Britain threatening to end slavery when the revolutionary war broke out (they weren't); b) were American's pro or anti-abolitionism in 1776 (pro in the North); c) was America at the front of the effort to end the international slave trade (they were). I also offered to provide numerous other expert accounts of the specific factual inaccuracies but did not because I didn't think you were interested in hearing the other side of the issue (you're not).

It's both telling and sad that you throw out accusations of laziness and handwaving when the only person guilty of doing so is you.

[vy65]

I already agreed. I'm glad you agree the right is worse in this regard with real world consequences.

I'm not going to read your link because I asked you a direct question you did a nice job of not answering.

I'll try again.

What are the consequences of specific 1619 inaccuracies?

I linked you to the curriculum being developed by the 1619 project to teach K-12 students incorrect history. You clearly didn't bother clicking the link. But I'm glad you're not like WH and can acknowledge that the project has their facts wrong.

[vy65]

IT SERVES A WOKIST HIGHER AGENDA


Same sort of lazy, broad brush analogizing you seem to be criticizing, tbh.

[vy65]

vy65 got incensed by gamergate and has been on the warpath against so-called SJWs ever since, tbh.

That clearly left a mark. But your deflection here is noted, along with your tacit acknowledgement of being wrong on this. But hey, ends justify the means, right?

[vy65]

I actually don't think that needs to be the start of the conversation, because if that was the case we'd have endless reams of online content on which to apply this litmus and signal our disapproval of untruths and inaccuracies. That would be exhausting. I haven't read it, so I can't comment confidently about its accuracy. I'm content to assume the conclusions of the blog you posted are valid (specific to the 1619 content) for the purposes of this conversation.

What I'm more interested in - as would be the case for most people - and therefore what the start of the conversation should be, is "The New York Times published content that liberals are using to fundamentally reshape the United States, and here's how."

Thanks for this. We have a very different view on methodology. Facts are facts, and starting out with an agenda and reshaping facts to fit that narrative is misguided, if not outright wrong because it leads to wrong results. The facts undergirding the 1619 Project's narrative of America's founding as an attempt to perpetuate a slavocracy are wrong. A conversation that starts with those assumptions will be misguided and ultimately produce bad results. Garbage in/garbage out.

[boutons_deux]

Repugs plan to punish woke companies that have done nothing illegal

punish ESG companies that have not done anything illegal

Desantis wanted to use the govt to punish Disney for $10Ms, Disney having done nothing illegal

Fascists use the power of govt to punish people, orgs who oppose, in total free legality, their fascist politics.

Financed by the fascist Capitalist oligarchy, the fascist Repugs will inevitably turn USA into a facsist/Christian govt, punishing everybody who opposes them, like Xi does in China.

SCOTUS6 fascists will open the irreversible gates to fascism by ruling ISLT is Constitutional

[ChumpDumper]

I linked you to the curriculum being developed by the 1619 project to teach K-12 students incorrect history. You clearly didn't bother clicking the link. But I'm glad you're not like WH and can acknowledge that the project has their facts wrong.Which schools have adopted this curriculum and is is against the law to mention other sources or viewpoints like it has become in several red states?

[vy65]

Which schools have adopted this curriculum and is is against the law to mention other sources or viewpoints like it has become in several red states?

Stop moving the goal posts. The cat and mouse game of not reading links and asking questions like some retarded Socratic method is beyond tiresome. A simple google search shows that these materials are being used in thousands of classrooms. I’d post links, but we both know you won’t bother to read them.

[ChumpDumper]

Stop moving the goal posts. The cat and mouse game of not reading links and asking questions like some retarded Socratic method is beyond tiresome. A simple google search shows that these materials are being used in thousands of classrooms. I’d post links, but we both know you won’t bother to read them.
Of course I would. I asked the question.

It's not Socratic method. I'm asking you simple questions about this thing that has you shook.

Just answer. If you don't want to talk about the things you bring up, don't bring them up.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Of course I would. I asked the question.

It's not Socratic method. I'm asking you simple questions about this thing that has you shook.

Just answer. If you don't want to talk about the things you bring up, don't bring them up.


Asking leading questions whose premise and thus conclusions are based on your arguments is exactly the Socratic method.

You have been trying to diminish the significance of what was done from different angles for days. Your question is just another passive aggressive furtherance of your same argument.

[ChumpDumper]

Asking leading questions whose premise and thus conclusions are based on your arguments is exactly the Socratic method.

You have been trying to diminish the significance of what was done from different angles for days. Your question is just another passive aggressive furtherance of your same argument.Nope.

I'm trying to find out exactly what the significance of what was done but no one actually wants to say.

Everyone just shuts the fuck up when questioned because they don't want to actually explain themselves. You've done the same.

If millions of students are being taught exactly what was written in the 1619 Project, I'd like to see the proof of it.

I have already acknowledged what's wrong with it -- now I want to know something else about it.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope.

I'm trying to find out exactly what the significance of what was done but no one actually wants to say.

Everyone just shuts the fuck up when questioned because they don't want to actually explain themselves. You've done the same.

If millions of students are being taught exactly what was written in the 1619 Project, I'd like to see the proof of it.

I have already acknowledged what's wrong with it -- now I want to know something else about it.

Exactly and you are trying to get others to do make your arguments for you through your questions. Socrates was more about getting people to epiphany while you are more about dredging authority it is still the same method.

[ChumpDumper]

Exactly and you are trying to get others to do make your arguments for you through your questions. Socrates was more about getting people to epiphany while you are more about dredging authority it is still the same method.
:lol how can it be the same when I'm simply trying to get information and not getting people to epiphany?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I wish people went through normal textbooks and curricula they way they are going through the 1619 Project. It makes me wonder why the scrutiny for this particular item, but I won't ask you or anyone else because that just infuriates you further. God forbid I ask a man to discuss something on a discussion board.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

As for the argument at hand, I just look at the stated purpose of the 1619 project, the history of civilian oversight of school curriculum over the past 100 years, and then look to who is taking which side. Participating in the conversation is a big waste of time.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol how can it be the same when I'm simply trying to get information and not getting people to epiphany?

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I wish people went through normal textbooks and curricula they way they are going through the 1619 Project. It makes me wonder why the scrutiny for this particular item, but I won't ask you or anyone else because that just infuriates you further. God forbid I ask a man to discuss something on a discussion board.

Furthering your arguments via question is the socratic method. It is what it is. Your intent is besides the point.

And spare me the line about just looking for information. You already know the answer or at least think you do.

A cigar is also tobacco rolled in a leaf and a cause of cancer. Mutual exclusivity is the key.

[ChumpDumper]

Furthering your arguments via question is the socratic method. It is what it is. Your intent is besides the point.

And spare me the line about just looking for information. You already know the answer or at least think you do.

A cigar is also tobacco rolled in a leaf and a cause of cancer. Mutual exclusivity is the key.I am trying to find out information about the topic and what other people think.

Don't be so paranoid on behalf of other people. You're boring because you only talk about posters and not about actual subjects of discussion, just like DMC or derp.

[ChumpDumper]

As for the argument at hand, I just look at the stated purpose of the 1619 project, the history of civilian oversight of school curriculum over the past 100 years, and then look to who is taking which side. Participating in the conversation is a big waste of time.Why are you here?

You're not here to participate in the conversation, so why?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I am trying to find out information about the topic and what other people think.

Don't be so paranoid on behalf of other people. You're boring because you only talk about posters and not about actual subjects of discussion, just like DMC or derp.

What you do is the socratic method. If you want me to spell out exactly how your question was leading to the premise of your significance argument I can. You pretty much already admitted to the connection already.

We both know that I will talk about the matter at hand. I just think its funny that because you've been derided for using the socratic method for so long that you defensively deny it. There is nothing wrong with the Socratic method.

[ChumpDumper]

What you do is the socratic method. If you want me to spell out exactly how your question was leading to the premise of your significance argument I can. You pretty much already admitted to the connection already.

We both know that I will talk about the matter at hand. I just think its funny that because you've been derided for using the socratic method for so long that you defensively deny it. There is nothing wrong with the Socratic method.Sure. Asking for straight information is Socratic method. Asking any question about anything is Socratic method, right? Oh shit -- I just Socrated you.

You just said you weren't going to talk about the subject.

Pick a lane.

I don't expect epiphanies here. I don't even expect people to answer my questions most of the time. Those times, they simply can't because they started out talking out of their asses.

[Winehole23]

That's great. Pullitzer prize winning tenured professors of history at several universities say it's a dispute over facts, not interpretation. But yeah, you're probably more qualified than they to arbitrate the question.



Those inaccuracies have been spelled out including: a) was Britain threatening to end slavery when the revolutionary war broke out (they weren't); b) were American's pro or anti-abolitionism in 1776 (pro in the North); c) was America at the front of the effort to end the international slave trade (they were). I also offered to provide numerous other expert accounts of the specific factual inaccuracies but did not because I didn't think you were interested in hearing the other side of the issue (you're not).

It's both telling and sad that you throw out accusations of laziness and handwaving when the only person guilty of doing so is you.This is exactly the hand wavy rhetorical stuff dressed up as logic I was talking about. Britain threatening to end slavery doesn't refute the existence of racialism, nor does the existence of abolitionism in the US refute the social, economic and political perseverance of slavery and concurrent ideologies reinforcing it. Pretending you've pierced syllogisms by attesting disparate facts is rhetorical and interpretive. Fine by me if you take issue with supposed premises of the 1619 project, but don't pretend yours is an exercise in dispassionate logic, it's interpretive zeal.

[Winehole23]

Stop moving the goal posts. The cat and mouse game of not reading links and asking questions like some retarded Socratic method is beyond tiresome. A simple google search shows that these materials are being used in thousands of classrooms. I’d post links, but we both know you won’t bother to read them.children's minds being corrupted by bad history, undermining foundational values, something like that?

[Winehole23]

This lady, with the laws of Florida at her back, has an effective strategy against bad history and wokist claptrap.

Apparently the ends justify the means.

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[FrostKing]

Most of this is of little use preparing these kids for adulthood. More math, science and English. Major influx of information technology. Teach them financial basics and discipline. Bring back home ec and wood/auto.

Consider all these foreigners that migrated to the States for college and/or career. Few of them know or care about American history. And they are some of the most successful people here.

[Spurminator]

This lady, with the laws of Florida at her back, has an effective strategy against bad history and wokist claptrap.

Apparently the ends justify the means.

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Congrats, you've now made those books 1000x more interesting to kids.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure. Asking for straight information is Socratic method. Asking any question about anything is Socratic method, right? Oh shit -- I just Socrated you.

You just said you weren't going to talk about the subject.

Pick a lane.

I don't expect epiphanies here. I don't even expect people to answer my questions most of the time. Those times, they simply can't because they started out talking out of their asses.

You are clearly having issues following along so I will have to spell it out.

Your question was asking them to prove your argument of insignificance wrong. That is a question that furthers an argument. The socratic method is using questions to further your arguments.

Intent is besides the point. My speaking about Socrates intent was to compare and contrast with how you use questions to further your arguments as opposed to what he was doing. He was trying to be enlightening. Youre very clearly not.

[pgardn]

Most of this is of little use preparing these kids for adulthood. More math, science and English. Major influx of information technology. Teach them financial basics and discipline. Bring back home ec and wood/auto.

Consider all these foreigners that migrated to the States for college and/or career. Few of them know or care about American history. And they are some of the most successful people here.

There are plenty of home grown Americans who don’t know history.
And there are plenty of places in the US that purposely try to skip or rewrite any dirty laundry.
Especially in Texas.

[Winehole23]

The anti-wokists aren't fishing where the fish are.

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[Poopshoot Magoo]

Hi! I’m Poopshoot Magoo!

[Poopshoot Magoo]

Perhaps you guys know my attorney, Detective Jack Scrotum Esq. MD.

[ChumpDumper]

You are clearly having issues following along so I will have to spell it out.

Your question was asking them to prove your argument of insignificance wrong. Nope. I certainly have my opinions but I absolutely didn't know what, if anything, was being taught.

I had no idea what is significant or not because I didn't know what was being taught. I do now no thanks to them or you because you ONLY post about other posters.

You're simply wrong. Don't whine about it.

[boutons_deux]

Jewish name

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Nope. I certainly have my opinions but I absolutely didn't know what, if anything, was being taught.

I had no idea what is significant or not because I didn't know what was being taught. I do now no thanks to them or you because you ONLY post about other posters.

You're simply wrong. Don't whine about it.

Huh?

You're "it was an inquiry purely for knowledge" line is a new one. You led off initially with the diatribe about how you ask your questions and everyone just shuts up. How if there was proof you would like too see it and since there wasn't any. . . Now you come back and tell me not to whine? Over what? Your dissembling?

I really like this notion that I don't discuss issues, elections and the like. You think people are going to buy it?

[ChumpDumper]

Huh?

You're "it was an inquiry purely for knowledge" line is a new one. You led off initially with the diatribe about how you ask your questions and everyone just shuts up. How if there was proof you would like too see it and since there wasn't any. . . Now you come back and tell me not to whine? Over what? Your dissembling?

I really like this notion that I don't discuss issues, elections and the like. You think people are going to buy it?:lol you're still going on and on about other posters. What was your last topical take?

I ask for information and most of the time these Trumptards ruefully bail. If that's how Socrates worked, nothing got done with him. There is no enlightenment. There is nothing.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:lol you're still going on and on about other posters. What was your last topical take?

I ask for information and most of the time these Trumptards ruefully bail. If that's how Socrates worked, nothing got done with him. There is no enlightenment. There is nothing.

I am discussing your use of questions in your argument. I have done nothing to characterize you nor have I done anything to try and disparage you outside of indicating amusement at your antics.

Along that line have you considered that while you are trying to boil this argument down to me talking about "people" which is really just you, all you are doing is trying to characterize me. Following it up with the political megalomania doubling down on your actual intent was a nice touch.

[ChumpDumper]

I am discussing you:tu

[Winehole23]

Vetting Webster's Dictionary for appropriateness is very woke.

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[Winehole23]

Is this indoctrination?

Does it count as grooming?


On her first day of high school, Andreya Thomas looked over her schedule and found that she was enrolled in a class with an unfamiliar name: J.R.O.T.C.

She and other freshmen at Pershing High School in Detroit soon learned that they had been placed into the Junior Reserve Officers’ Training Corps, a program funded by the U.S. military designed to teach leadership skills, discipline and civic values — and open students’ eyes to the idea of a military career. In the class, students had to wear military uniforms and obey orders from an instructor who was often yelling, Ms. Thomas said, but when several of them pleaded to be allowed to drop the class, school administrators refused.

“They told us it was mandatory,” Ms. Thomas said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/11/us/jrotc-schools-mandatory-automatic-enrollment.html

[Winehole23]

:lol you're still going on and on about other posters. What was your last topical take?

I ask for information and most of the time these Trumptards ruefully bail. If that's how Socrates worked, nothing got done with him. There is no enlightenment. There is nothing.seriously, I barely started responding to vy65 when he got all huffy and stomped off without responding, but not before reminding us that any reply would be futile.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

:tu

You talk about others and their motivations all the time, Mr. H. I spent much of the fall talking about how polling since the Trump election has been inaccurate. The election is over and most of what is going on here is the typical race baiting which you apparently delight in indulging.

I get that you l don't like to be examined but at the same time you talk about the intentions and character of other posters incessantly. If you get to do your vainglorious posturing via people not answering your inane questions then get some courage and deal with the feedback.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

seriously, I barely started responding to vy65 when he got all huffy and stomped off without responding, but not before reminding us that any reply would be futile.


This is nothing new in tribal political discourse for decades and has only gotten worse over our lifetimes. Using the same approaches to conversation seems futile.

[Winehole23]

you know what is woke?

asking DPS for lists of people who switched genders.

why would the state of Texas need such a list?


Employees at the Texas Department of Public Safety in June received a sweeping request from Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton’s office: to compile a list of individuals who had changed their gender on their Texas driver’s license and other department records during the past two years.

“Need total number of changes from male to female and female to male for the last 24 months, broken down by month,” the chief of the DPS’s driver license division emailed colleagues in the department on June 30, according to a copy of a message obtained by The Washington Post through a public records request. “We won’t need DL/ID numbers at first but may need to have them later if we are required to manually look up documents.


After more than 16,000 such instances were identified, DPS officials determined that a manual search would be needed to determine the reason for the changes, DPS spokesman Travis Considine told The Post in response to questions.

“A verbal request was received,” he wrote in an email. “Ultimately, our team advised the AG’s office the data requested neither exists nor could be accurately produced. Thus, no data of any kind was provided.”

Asked who in Paxton’s office had requested the records, he replied: “I cannot say.”​https://www.texastribune.org/2022/12/14/ken-paxton-transgender-texas-data/

[Winehole23]

Paxton’s office bypassed the normal channels — DPS’s government relations and general counsel’s offices — and went straight to the driver license division staff in making the request, according to a state employee familiar with it, who said the staff was told that Paxton’s office wanted “numbers” and later would want “a list” of names, as well as “the number of people who had had a legal sex change.”

[vy65]

seriously, I barely started responding to vy65 when he got all huffy and stomped off without responding, but not before reminding us that any reply would be futile.

lol, no. You arrogantly thought you had a better grasp than numerous experts in the field. When I pointed to specifics, you pivoted into an irrelevant diatribe about how the logic of the argument was flawed without doing engaging in anything remotely resembling a good-faith response. We get it, you think America is racist. That doesn't make people who present you with facts that dispute that narrative wrong or a member of the alt-right. Proclaiming victory when all you've done is show your ass is exactly what Fuzzy is talking about.

[Winehole23]

lol, no. You arrogantly thought you had a better grasp than numerous experts in the field. When I pointed to specifics, you pivoted into an irrelevant diatribe about how the logic of the argument was flawed without doing engaging in anything remotely resembling a good-faith response. We get it, you think America is racist. That doesn't make people who present you with facts that dispute that narrative wrong or a member of the alt-right. Proclaiming victory when all you've done is show your ass is exactly what Fuzzy is talking about.I don't recall proclaiming victory. If you're done with the topic and just want to talk about other posters, cool by me.

1619 Project isn't my hobby horse.

[Winehole23]

Another bomb threat on a school from anti-wokists, it won't be the last.

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[Winehole23]

We get it, you think America is racist. You think racism is dunzo and has no place in the curriculum?

Sounds like bad history to me.

[FrostKing]

You think racism is dunzo and has no place in the curriculum?

Sounds like bad history to me.
Yawn racism. It's 2023 the average human being has far more important daily issues. Planet Earth has never been more united. You should widen your horizon and step away from this constant gloomy content.

[Winehole23]

Yawn racism. It's 2023 the average human being has far more important daily issues. Planet Earth has never been more united. You should widen your horizon and step away from this constant gloomy content.Reality is that which, when you wish it gone -- and I do wish racism gone -- does not disappear.

Glad to hear racism doesn't affect you. Must be nice.

[FrostKing]

Reality is that which, when you wish it gone -- and I do -- does not disappear.
Sometimes I see or read something that infuriates me and I want to act. Tell/text someone or post it. But I step away and do an activity even just a short one and that feeling has decreased.

I have a soccer buddy that is always digesting WW2/Nazi content. Sure I can stomach an hour of it or chat a bit but I don't want it to consume my day. It's negativity. There is a fine line between staying informed and letting it shape your mood & more importantly eventually personality.

Start a blog, write a book or join a focus group. What you're currently doing is just helpless torture.

[ChumpDumper]

Yawn racism. It's 2023 the average human being has far more important daily issues. Planet Earth has never been more united. You should widen your horizon and step away from this constant gloomy content.White guy claims racism isn't a thing.

Leave the heavy lifting to the real men, Pollyanna.

[Winehole23]

White guy claims racism isn't a thing.

Leave the heavy lifting to the real men, Pollyanna.He'll be back to crying about being the real victim of racism before too long. Or somebody else will.

[FrostKing]

White guy claims racism isn't a thing.

Leave the heavy lifting to the real men, Pollyanna.
Racism is a thing, so is pollution, obesity, illiteracy, poverty, hunger, etc

We have never been more informed about what is occurring on every inch of the Planet. You going to allow the little negativity to run your life instead of focusing on the overwhelming progress & positivity? Majority of these people are physically and mentally off-putting because they don't work on themselves instead living vicariously thru the experiences and anecdotes of others.

[Winehole23]

Racism is a thing, so is pollution, obesity, illiteracy, poverty, hunger, etc

We have never been more informed about what is occurring on every inch of the Planet. You going to allow the little negativity to run your life instead of focusing on the overwhelming progress & positivity? Majority of these people are physically and mentally off-putting because they don't work on themselves instead living vicariously thru the experiences and anecdotes of others.Acknowledging the existence of "the little negativity" might be a first step toward eradicating it. Ignoring it can never be.

[Winehole23]

a goodly portion of anti-wokism is making shit up to be mad at

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[ChumpDumper]

Racism is a thing, so is pollution, obesity, illiteracy, poverty, hunger, etc

We have never been more informed about what is occurring on every inch of the Planet. You going to allow the little negativity to run your life instead of focusing on the overwhelming progress & positivity? Majority of these people are physically and mentally off-putting because they don't work on themselves instead living vicariously thru the experiences and anecdotes of others.You're the one fleeing the country because of your feelings.

Who's the snowflake?

[FrostKing]

Acknowledging the existence of "the little negativity" might be a first step toward eradicating it. Ignoring it can never be.
Do you really believe there exists or will one day be a racism-less society/World? If that's your intention then we should return to the Pre 2010's, when we were educated to ignore our physical & cultural differences. This shift in the past 10 years is the wrong direction. Before USA was the golden standard of how to handle multiculturalism but now it's viewed as the most divisive. This shift I mentioned is why.

I have a very diverse social circle and it works because we can all clown on each other. But that's because we were raised and educated Pre 2010's.

[Winehole23]

You're the one fleeing the country.

You tell me who's the snowflake.Based Poland FTW!

[Winehole23]

Do you really believe there exists or will one day be a racism-less society/World? If that's your intention then we should return to the Pre 2010's, when we were educated to ignore our physical & cultural differences. This shift in the past 10 years is the wrong direction. Before USA was the golden standard of how to handle multiculturalism but now it's viewed as the most divisive. This shift I mentioned is why.

I have a very diverse social circle and it works because we can all clown on each other. But that's because we were raised and educated Pre 2010's.The pre-2010s were a race blind paradise?

Hmm...

[FrostKing]

You're the one fleeing the country because of your feelings.

Who's the snowflake?
To be closer to family. I can return and have a happy life in the USA. But heavily decreasing my consumption of politics etc is a part of the equation.

[ChumpDumper]

To be closer to family. I can return and have a happy life in the USA. But heavily decreasing my consumption of politics etc is a part of the equation.So you.

The answer is you're the snowflake.

It's OK. You have the privilege of being able to tap out.

[FrostKing]

The pre-2010s were a race blind paradise?

Hmm...
More than today. We were different ingredients in an American melting pot pursuing a dream. Today it's demographics living under a systematic evil system that is rooted in bloody history etc.

[Winehole23]

race-blindness means I can clown on your race with no adverse social consequences.

sorry, those are the rules.

if you don't like them, you're a joyless freak.

[FrostKing]

So you.

The answer is you're the snowflake.

It's OK. You have the privilege of being able to tap out.
Thousands put their life in danger to sneak into this country daily

Enough with the victimhood. 2 middle class white men

[Winehole23]

Walk us through it, FK.

What changed in 2010?

Sounds like the same old bellyaching about secular humanism in the 1970s and 80s, political correctness in the 1990s and cultural marxism in the 2000s. Retread and bullshit. This isn't new, y'all are just picking new buzzwords to justify bigotry.

[Winehole23]

Elon is woke


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FjyrWf7XEAIgk6P?format=jpg&name=small

[FrostKing]

Walk us through it, FK.

What changed in 2010?

Sounds like the same old bellyaching about secular humanism in the 1970s and 80s, political correctness in the 1990s and cultural marxism in the 2000s. Retread and bullshit. This isn't new, y'all are just picking new buzzwords to justify bigotry.
In my experience Pre 2010s was - we are all equal. Mentioning topics such as race was divisive.

The shift was rooted in different demographics sharing their experience and celebrating it. Great idea.

Some realized they can make a career out of feeding people victimhood or even guilt. Keep in mind today all demographics practice it to varying degree. But in terms of mainstream media and academia, you'd have to be tone deaf to not notice the almost overnight shift. It went from individualism to tribalism. America went backwards and that's where we are today.

Too many people today when asked who they are - answer a buzzword or demographic. Instead of hobbies & interest.

[FrostKing]

People can change, as I did. No longer obsessed with politics.

I got some family members hooked on that Politics and hated it. UnPlug.

[ChumpDumper]

In my experience Pre 2010s was - we are all equal. Mentioning topics such as race was divisive.

The shift was rooted in different demographics sharing their experience and celebrating it. Great idea.

Some realized they can make a career out of feeding people victimhood or even guilt. Keep in mind today all demographics practice it to varying degree. But in terms of mainstream media and academia, you'd have to be tone deaf to not notice the almost overnight shift. It went from individualism to tribalism. America went backwards and that's where we are today.

Too many people today when asked who they are - answer a buzzword or demographic. Instead of hobbies & interest.

You're a victim of demographics. Time for you to bug out because you have the privilege to ignore politics while consistently posting about politics in the political forum.

[vy65]

I don't recall proclaiming victory. If you're done with the topic and just want to talk about other posters, cool by me.

1619 Project isn't my hobby horse.

Never said I was done, what I did say was that you utterly failed to engage in anything resembling a good faith conversation about facts. Your lack of knowledge on the subject is very much on display though.

[vy65]

You think racism is dunzo and has no place in the curriculum?

Sounds like bad history to me.

I think racism exists, but I also think the issue is more nuanced than your totalizing “amerikka is a slavokkkracy” take. I honestly think you’re incapable of having a conversation about the issue either. This thread is littered with examples why.

[vy65]

WH, you’re literally proving every bad meme the right has about wokeness. Your literal reply is “but racism exists.” The existence of racism doesn’t mean that every attempt to show progress or institutional change or serious inaccuracies in “journalism” or curricula is misguided or wrong. Youyouve paint yourself into a corner where you can’t acknowledge any of that and, in the process, make it seem like America is more racist now than it ever has been — which is patently false.

[ChumpDumper]

I would say that the history of racism in the US is a roughly continuous cycle of progress followed by white backlash. Judging from the discussion and legal maneuvering concerning affirmative action and Loving, it's safe to say we're in the white backlash phase. It's tough to care too much about the factual inaccuracies of a couple days of 1619 in a classroom when an entire region has been indoctrinated with the Lost Cause for decades and teaching anything else there is becoming literally illegal because it might hurt whitey's feelings.

[Winehole23]

Never said I was done, what I did say was that you utterly failed to engage in anything resembling a good faith conversation about facts. Your lack of knowledge on the subject is very much on display though.what facts do you want to discuss? you never stopped waving your hands for long enough to actually, you know, discuss them.

I'm here for you if you want to have that conversation.

[Winehole23]

I think racism exists, but I also think the issue is more nuanced than your totalizing “amerikka is a slavokkkracy” take. I honestly think you’re incapable of having a conversation about the issue either. This thread is littered with examples why.This is ventriloquism and bad faith

[Winehole23]

WH, you’re literally proving every bad meme the right has about wokeness. Your literal reply is “but racism exists.” The existence of racism doesn’t mean that every attempt to show progress or institutional change or serious inaccuracies in “journalism” or curricula is misguided or wrong. Youyouve paint yourself into a corner where you can’t acknowledge any of that and, in the process, make it seem like America is more racist now than it ever has been — which is patently false.More bad faith ventriloquism, I didn't say any of this, even conceded that you might be right on the merits vis a vis 1619 Project. Seems like you're making up stuff to be mad at me about.

You obviously have an axe to grind you're not being totally candid about.

[Winehole23]

I'm not crazy about faddish, canned curriculum, that would likely include 1619 Project. I'm only passingly familiar with it, but I guess there might be some things we agree upon. Me calling your argumentation handwavy and vague isn't an endorsement of NHJ or anything she wrote. You seem to care more about excoriating other posters than making your points clear. Maybe that's what you're really here for.

[FrostKing]

You're a victim of demographics. Time for you to bug out because you have the privilege to ignore politics while consistently posting about politics in the political forum.
Mr.Buzzards

[FrostKing]

You're a victim of demographics. Time for you to bug out because you have the privilege to ignore politics while consistently posting about politics in the political forum.
You didn't even approach my post. Strike 1 chumpy

[FrostKing]

I'll march tach. Busy right.

[Winehole23]

facts: the numbers are minuscule. the size of the whole cohort from 2017-2021 was ~40 million kids annually.

if you harp on this not mentioning mundane barriers to ordinary healthcare for minors like poverty and no insurance, you don't really care that much about the kiddos, you're just here to pick on trans folks.



Komodo’s analysis draws on full or partial health insurance claims for about 330 million U.S. patients over the five years from 2017 to 2021, including patients covered by private health plans and public insurance like Medicaid. The data include roughly 40 million patients annually, ages 6 through 17, and comprise health insurance claims that document diagnoses and procedures administered by U.S. clinicians and facilities.
To determine the number of new patients who initiated puberty blockers or hormones, or who received an initial dysphoria diagnosis, Komodo looked back at least one year prior in each patient’s record. For the surgery data, Komodo counted multiple procedures on a single day as one procedure.

For the analysis of pediatric patients initiating puberty blockers or hormones, Komodo searched for patients with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis. Patients with a diagnosis of central precocious puberty were removed. A total of 17,683 patients, ages 6 through 17, with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis initiated either puberty blockers or hormones or both during the five-year period. Of these, 4,780 patients had initiated puberty blockers and 14,726 patients had initiated hormone treatment.



The ultimate step in gender-affirming medical treatment is surgery, which is uncommon in patients under age 18. Some children’s hospitals and gender clinics don’t offer surgery to minors, requiring that they be adults before deciding on procedures that are irreversible and carry a heightened risk of complications.

The Komodo analysis of insurance claims found 56 genital surgeries among patients ages 13 to 17 with a prior gender dysphoria diagnosis from 2019 to 2021. Among teens, “top surgery” to remove breasts is more common. In the three years ending in 2021, at least 776 mastectomies were performed in the United States on patients ages 13 to 17 with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, according to Komodo’s data analysis of insurance claims. This tally does not include procedures that were paid for out of pocket.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-data/

[Winehole23]

fellas, is it gay to hang out at church?

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[Tyronn Lue]

I would say that the history of racism in the US is a roughly continuous cycle of progress followed by white backlash. Judging from the discussion and legal maneuvering concerning affirmative action and Loving, it's safe to say we're in the white backlash phase. It's tough to care too much about the factual inaccuracies of a couple days of 1619 in a classroom when an entire region has been indoctrinated with the Lost Cause for decades and teaching anything else there is becoming literally illegal because it might hurt whitey's feelings.
I'd only disagree with "followed by". It think the resistance to racial equity is a constant force, and becomes more apparent following a spotlight event since that's the moment of silence when we listen for the backlash. It's always present though. Maybe our own fault for not noticing it until we expect to encounter it the most.

[FrostKing]

I would say that the history of racism in the US is a roughly continuous cycle of progress followed by white backlash. Judging from the discussion and legal maneuvering concerning affirmative action and Loving, it's safe to say we're in the white backlash phase. It's tough to care too much about the factual inaccuracies of a couple days of 1619 in a classroom when an entire region has been indoctrinated with the Lost Cause for decades and teaching anything else there is becoming literally illegal because it might hurt whitey's feelings.
https://i.ibb.co/L5Ymkz6/Screenshot-20221217-150019-Chrome.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/WgK4L6H/Screenshot-20221217-150417-Chrome.jpg

America is far more diverse than you give it credit. And each deserve their own voice, don't take it away with lazy generalizations like "POC"

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.ibb.co/L5Ymkz6/Screenshot-20221217-150019-Chrome.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/WgK4L6H/Screenshot-20221217-150417-Chrome.jpg

America is far more diverse than you give it credit. And each deserve their own voice, don't take it away with lazy generalizations like "POC"Sure, you want to downplay your race's racism and opt out using your privilege because you're too afraid and/or lazy to deal with any of it.

Why haven't you left for based Poland yet? Not enough opportunity to make money there?

[FrostKing]

Sure, you want to downplay your race's racism and opt out using your privilege because you're too afraid and/or lazy to deal with any of it.

Why haven't you left for based Poland yet? Not enough opportunity to make money there?
My race? These types don't like me either because I'm immigrant. Amigo expand your horizon.

White migrants founded this nation, and groomed it with brutal values. Fast forward 250 plus years later. Here we are.

> Still crying over "John Smith"

[ChumpDumper]

My race? These types don't like me either because I'm immigrant.You're the right color for whitey. You've passed even if you didn't know it. It's your privilege. Be thankful.

[FrostKing]

You're the right color for whitey. You've passed even if you didn't know it. It's your privilege. Be thankful.
Life is deeper than a picture. We speak and think, you know. Us immigrants.

[ChumpDumper]

Life is deeper than a picture. We speak and think, you know. Us immigrants.You also make straw men.

[FrostKing]

You also make straw men.
Let me guess, a white one?

[ChumpDumper]

Let me guess, a white one?Fallacies are fallacies.

[Winehole23]

What is woke?

Privatizing the public library so you can ban books.



The Huntsville City Council voted 6-3 in favor of privatizing and outsourcing its public library operations.

Tuesday’s decision comes after concerns were raised throughout the year about banned books and LGBTQ displays at the Huntsville Public library.

A pride display at the library was removed in August and in October, concerns were raised after a Huntsville police officer was seen behind the checkout desk in what was believed to be an attempt to remove certain books. During this time the City Librarian was also placed on leave.

City leaders, including the city manager and police chief, have declined our multiple requests to discuss these matters in more detail, but documents attached to Tuesday’s city council agenda say a change in operations is needed to improve day-to-day operations at the library and would help reduce costs by $750,000 over a 10-year period.
https://www.kbtx.com/2022/12/21/huntsville-votes-privatize-library-after-dispute-over-banned-books-pride-display/

[Winehole23]

Mein Kampf is halal, but Ida B Wells is haram.

Talk about woke.

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[FrostKing]

Mein Kampf is halal, but Ida B Wells is haram.

Talk about woke.

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You have never been to jail.

Your Polak did 1 week in California

Literature? I doubt any of that is in avaliable in Cali

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/BBngSVY/9784871873178-us.jpg

During my visit I read this book. Jail opening my eyes for sure. It's good races are split because there is a leater to regulate. Less contact between the groups.

Overall I found treatment fair. Certain rules and customs scratch head. But the jail culture is organized

I had money bought coffee

Walked into room. Approached by brotherhood. Set up my bed, gave me soap. Gave me food. BUT ordered take a shower now because you came from Downtown

[FrostKing]

I'm not even born in America

[ChumpDumper]

You have never been to jail.

Your Polak did 1 week in California

Literature? I doubt any of that is in avaliable in Cali

Jail isn't prison.

[spurraider21]

Woke just means the n word

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[Joseph Kony]

woke is anything that hurts the rights feelings, which is a lot these days

[Adam Lambert]

Woke just means the n word

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Imagine being as miserable as a conservative. All the time. Even when you're getting a Santa picture with your family, the libs are crowding your brain. :lol

[Winehole23]

woke is anything that hurts the rights feelings, which is a lot these daysMood affiliation has replaced ideas on the right.

[Winehole23]

Whether that's a political strength remains to be seen. Lot of unruliness there, GOP is having trouble getting on the same page these days.

[Winehole23]

Trying to be the biggest asshole has a few foreseeable drawbacks.

[Winehole23]

Right on, SA

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[Winehole23]

more wokist claptrap, anti-American too


He has shown strength with his arm;
he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
52 He has brought down the powerful from their thrones
and lifted up the lowly;
53 he has filled the hungry with good things
and sent the rich away empty.

[Winehole23]

someone needs to protect the kids from being perverted by commie, SJW propaganda


18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
and recovery of sight for the blind,
to set the oppressed free,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.”[a]

[steak n eggs]

Right on, SA

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Those idiots playing military are definitely in the wrong. But what does it say when you have no interest in supporting/representing either side? Minding your own business is underrated these days.

[ChumpDumper]

Those idiots playing military are definitely in the wrong. But what does it say when you have no interest in supporting/representing either side? Minding your own business is underrated these days.

If everyone else minded their business the militia would win.

[Winehole23]

(Leave it to me to be the only mfer who quotes the Bible in here on Christmas.)

[Winehole23]

Those idiots playing military are definitely in the wrong. But what does it say when you have no interest in supporting/representing either side? Minding your own business is underrated these days.I think it's cool to stand up for your friends and neighbors for just being themselves, if assholes threaten them for that.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

https://i.giphy.com/media/RqkSfihIEFIqc/giphy.webp

[Winehole23]

Whether that's a political strength remains to be seen. Lot of unruliness there, GOP is having trouble getting on the same page these days.

The thing that some people still don't get is that the Republicans are the radical party at this juncture.

[Winehole23]

I think it's cool to stand up for your friends and neighbors for just being themselves, if assholes threaten them for that.
Conviviality was more powerful than guns in this instance and carried the media narrative.

Bravo.

[Winehole23]

They had a party while a desultory would be militia moped around, doing nothing.

[Winehole23]


Jesus’ first reported sermon in Luke 4 documents his announcement that he had come to revive the enforcement of the Jubilee Year. The term “gospel” (or ‘good news’) was used specifically to refer to debt cancellation which became the major political fight of the imperial Roman epoch, pitting Jesus against the pro-creditor Pharisees, (a political party and social movement that became the foundation for Rabbinic Judaism around 167 BC).https://www.amazon.com/forgive-them-their-debts-Foreclosure/dp/3981826027

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=277093&p=9646570&highlight=Hudson+jubilee#post9646570

[FrostKing]

Mood affiliation has replaced ideas on the right.


The thing that some people still don't get is that the Republicans are the radical party at this juncture.
The irony of posting this in a thread discussing Woke

No buddy. Both sides are just as radical. Your precious team sucks just as much as theirs. Merry Christmas.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The irony of posting this in a thread discussing Woke

No buddy. Both sides are just as radical. Your precious team sucks just as much as theirs. Merry Christmas.

what insurrections coming out of a democratic rally can you think of?

[Dirks_Finale]

The irony of posting this in a thread discussing Woke

No buddy. Both sides are just as radical. Your precious team sucks just as much as theirs. Merry Christmas.

It's as though those damn BLM riots committed by Dems all across the country never happened. :rolleyes

A little party awareness goes a long way in these discussions.

[ChumpDumper]

It's as though those damn BLM riots committed by Dems all across the country never happened. :rolleyes

A little party awareness goes a long way in these discussions.You tried to kill your own Vice-President.

[FrostKing]

what insurrections coming out of a democratic rally can you think of?
There are many wings to each Party. This is the 2-party System. I disagree that Jan 6th is a specific barometer. I voted for that Administration but I always shook my head at the event. This is America, gullible to believe you can unite 40% people on anything these days.

[Adam Lambert]

It's as though those damn BLM riots committed by Dems all across the country never happened. :rolleyes

A little party awareness goes a long way in these discussions.

The scary blacks trashed 7-Elevens protesting people getting killed, and you guys trashed the nation's capitol because you lost an election. Totally the same!

[FrostKing]

The scary blacks trashed 7-Elevens protesting people getting killed, and you guys trashed the nation's capitol because you lost an election. Totally the same!
You are comparing a single day to calendar year. And since Covid it's been flash theft. Downplay it but we will financially pay one way or another.

[ChumpDumper]

You are comparing a single day to calendar year. And since Covid it's been flash theft. Downplay it but we will financially pay one way or another.You wanted to overthrow the entire government because you lost a presidential election. We wanted cops to stop murdering people in the street.

[FrostKing]

You wanted to overthrow the entire government because you lost a presidential election. We wanted cops to stop murdering people in the street.
And yet 1 day. Is the BLM rhetoric not "change the system".

I actually admire the daily commitment from certain ideological wings.

[ChumpDumper]

And yet 1 day.That was the day the count was certified. When else were they going to do it?

List the other days that was going to happen.

Since you're just talking about violence, you have to include all right wing violence now. How many days does that add up to?


Is the BLM rhetoric not "change the system".How many people are actually in BLM?

Give us your numbers.

[FrostKing]

What sort of discussion is this? Snipping my post.

Reading your post - you seem fixated on that day. Republicans were able to handle their own problem in the recent elections.

BLM - please don't discredit our brothas

[ChumpDumper]

What sort of discussion is this? Snipping my post.

Reading your post - you seem fixated on that day. Republicans seemed to handle their own problem in the recent elections.What sort of discussion is this?

You're ducking every question.

You want to expand from 1/6? Fine. You own all the right wing violence now.:tu


BLM - please don't discredit our brothasAre you drunk again right now?

[Dirks_Finale]

The scary blacks trashed 7-Elevens protesting people getting killed, and you guys trashed the nation's capitol because you lost an election. Totally the same!

But wait- most of those Trumpers never actually entered the capitol - So it was a mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6th, right?

[Dirks_Finale]

You tried to kill your own Vice-President.

Negative.

Backwoods hillbillies tried to do that.

You guys agreed with BLM summer long riots because it was scoring political points with moderates at that time. I disagreed with Trump idiots who stormed the capitol then and now..

[Adam Lambert]

You are comparing a single day to calendar year. And since Covid it's been flash theft. Downplay it but we will financially pay one way or another.

"Flash theft" is not a political phenomenon.

[Adam Lambert]

But wait- most of those Trumpers never actually entered the capitol - So it was a mostly peaceful protest on Jan 6th, right?

Sure. But the violent factions of both had different motivations from a different cause, which is my point.

I would also argue the "peaceful" participants in those two things were vastly different. I mean you might not have stormed the capital but you still went to Washington to whine about a fair election because your loser candidate said to.

So what's your point besides random whataboutism?

[FrostKing]

"Flash theft" is not a political phenomenon.
This is Woke thread. These are orchestrated attacks.

[Adam Lambert]

This is Woke thread. These are orchestrated attacks.

You think because you posted about an irrelevant topic in a certain thread, that means it automatically pertains to that thread? lol

[Adam Lambert]

Arguing with conservatives is like playing calvinball.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

There are many wings to each Party. This is the 2-party System. I disagree that Jan 6th is a specific barometer. I voted for that Administration but I always shook my head at the event. This is America, gullible to believe you can unite 40% people on anything these days.

Barometer? The GOP had a rally that resulted in an armed assault on the Capitol building. Jackson's party has no such analog.

Your equivalence of the two parties is what is at question here.

[ChumpDumper]

Negative.

Backwoods hillbillies tried to do that.

You guys agreed with BLM summer long riotsI didn't.

If you're saying I am, then you tried to overthrow the government and you mass murdered minorities over and over again.:tu

[Winehole23]

The irony of posting this in a thread discussing Woke

No buddy. Both sides are just as radical. Your precious team sucks just as much as theirs. Merry Christmas.False precision, the opinion that both sides are exactly equally bad is conceited and untestable. It's also unlikely.

Republicans are the transgressive, antiestablishment party. They're also out of step with contemporary social mores, they're the revanchist party pining for an imaginary idyll of the past.

[FrostKing]

False precision, the opinion that both sides are exactly equally bad is conceited and untestable. It's also unlikely.

Republicans are the transgressive, antiestablishment party. They're also out of step with contemporary social mores, they're the revanchist party pining for an imaginary idyll of the past.
What if both sides are bad. What if you aren't some hero. Everyone is just like us searching for "fair"

[clambake]

What is “fair” about pathological lying?

[Winehole23]

Anti-wokism has nothing to do with protecting kids, it's about whipping up hysteria, driving gay/trans people from the public square and giving people permission to kill them.

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[Winehole23]

:lol

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[Ef-man]

:lol

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GOP Boomers were yelling “grab a bowl full of the blue pill” as they know it is used to treat erectile disjunction, just saying.

[Winehole23]

The Show-Me State is asking women to cover up in the halls of power.


"Yep, the caucus that lost their minds over the suggestion that they should wear masks during a pandemic to respect the safety of other is now spending its time focusing on the fine details of what women have to wear (and specifically how many layers must cover their arms) to show respect in this chamber," Merideth added. He also clarified that lawmakers "thought a couple women last year didn't dress nicely enough for their standards."https://www.riverfronttimes.com/news/missouri-republicans-have-found-their-post-roe-enemy-cardigans-39259210

[Winehole23]

"Just finished floor debate explaining why knit blazers do not include cardigans on an amendment restricting what women can wear in the House. Why would we need to add additional barriers to the idea that anyone could represent the people...."

Ultimately the amendment was allowed to stay in, and women lawmakers were allowed to cover their arms with cardigans.

[Blake]

" Within hours of being sworn in as the new governor of Arkansas, Sarah Huckabee Sanders signed an executive order Tuesday banning the term "Latinx" from official use in the state government.

It is one of the first, if not the first, executive order of its kind, Tabitha Bonilla, an associate professor of human development and social policy at Northwestern University, told NBC News...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/arkansas-gov-sarah-huckabee-sanders-bans-term-latinx-first-day-office-rcna65351

I mean she jumped in and got right to work on the things that matter to Arkansas

[Winehole23]

who's policing pronouns, now?


https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:s teep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fcde7cc6 8-c08a-46fc-8628-89a363a17abd_673x565.pnghttps://ndlegis.gov/assembly/68-2023/regular/documents/23-0756-01000.pdf

[Winehole23]

Punishing teachers?

Is more punishment and criminalization of education really what's needed to dispel white backlash?

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[Monostradamus]

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[Winehole23]

Who all's for state compelled pronouns a la North Dakota?

[Winehole23]

who knew being a killer might be disreputable somewhere?

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[Winehole23]

according to Republican speech codes current in several states, this is illegal antiwhite propaganda designed to make your kid feel bad.

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[Winehole23]

1613227432001081372Walters is double dipping.


Walters will be paid $124,373 a year as superintendent, a position he was elected to in November.


But he also will continue making $40,000 a year as secretary of education, the governor's office confirmed.
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/politics/government/2023/01/14/superintendent-ryan-walters-will-retain-education-secretary-role/69807599007/

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmsTRtjXEAkrwg7?format=jpg&name=medium

[ElNono]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FmsTRtjXEAkrwg7?format=jpg&name=medium

"small government"

Also, is the government on the hook if their choice of funds underperform the woke funds, tbh?

[Winehole23]

"small government"

Also, is the government on the hook if their choice of funds underperform the woke funds, tbh?Doubt it. Positions like this are creedal, not empirical.

[Winehole23]

Florida strongman Mike DeSantis loses, yet wins.




DeSantis has suspended a state attorney for something he hasn't done yet, with regard to a law that is not yet in effect.

Andrew Warren signed a pledge not to prosecute anti-abortion and anti LGTB laws, and was recently elected precisely for that.

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm30b90WYAQyJDN?format=jpg&name=medium

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1616225737178025984?t

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1616225737178025984?t

You still watch Scooby Doo.:lmao

[Adam Lambert]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm30b90WYAQyJDN?format=jpg&name=medium

:lmao

[Ef-man]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm30b90WYAQyJDN?format=jpg&name=medium

Issac Newton is another fucked up woke person, just look at his work on prisms! His shit gonna be be banned in Florida soon!

https://cdn.britannica.com/s:800x1000/10/7710-050-C2D756A7/Newton-prism-experiment-1666.jpg

[Adam Lambert]

I'm sick of the woke inclusion of "Indigo" in the spectrum.

It's Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue and Purple.

What's next, wokesters, chartreuse?

[spurraider21]

https://i.gyazo.com/c2787405335727e71ee863c656a42ced.png

[Adam Lambert]

You still watch Scooby Doo.:lmao

What else does he have?

Sad faggot.

[ElNono]

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1616225737178025984?t

Triggered by Scooby Doo :lmao

[Trainwreck2100]

Triggered by Scooby Doo :lmao
It is really bad though, apparently in that show Daphne and Velma are both drug dealers

[Adam Lambert]

It is really bad though, apparently in that show Daphne and Velma are both drug dealers

From the sounds of it the show was made to troll the kinds of people who get mad about a cartoon.

[Winehole23]

I'm sick of the woke inclusion of "Indigo" in the spectrum.

It's Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue and Purple.

What's next, wokesters, chartreuse?hey fellas, is it gay to refract light through a prism?

[Winehole23]

The drag performers aren't the groomers. Family members, coaches and pastors put them in the shade.

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[ElNono]

It is really bad though, apparently in that show Daphne and Velma are both drug dealers

But did they get an abortion?

[Trainwreck2100]

From the sounds of it the show was made to troll the kinds of people who get mad about a cartoon.

No it's just edge cringe

[Winehole23]

who all here agrees with outlawing homosexuality, and why?

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[Winehole23]

"my sexual identity is normal, but yours is pornography"

Until every book is vetted, teachers will be liable to felony prosecution for making books available in Manatee County classrooms



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[Winehole23]

Tucker Carlson won the battle against M&M's spokescandies.

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[Monostradamus]

Tucker Carlson won the battle against M&M's spokescandies.

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For people so adamantly against cancel culture, they’ll happily use it whenever it suits their needs. Almost like they’re hypocrites or something.

[Winehole23]

For people so adamantly against cancel culture, they’ll happily use it whenever it suits their needs. Almost like they’re hypocrites or something.I can't believe M&M's caved, nothing against Maya Rudolph.

[Monostradamus]

I can't believe M&M's caved, nothing against Maya Rudolph.
Red states are the most obese & sugar addicted, so it probably dug into sales.

[Adam Lambert]

I can't believe M&M's caved, nothing against Maya Rudolph.

You say "caved" I say "saw another marketing opportunity"

[Blake]

Tucker Carlson won the battle against M&M's spokescandies.

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I guess Skittles has been around too long to make Tucker uncomfortable

[Winehole23]

You say "caved" I say "saw another marketing opportunity"very true, we'll see

[Winehole23]

how many students per year are we talking about, low single integers? zero?

we need a law for this, why?

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[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FnfiqSaagAIUP0U?format=jpg&name=medium

[Adam Lambert]

how many students per year are we talking about, low single integers? zero?

we need a law for this, why?

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The number of students who have been accommodated in school for believing themselves to be a different animal species is zero.

Republicans are morons.