2022 NBA Combine Thread May 16 - 22

[bluebellmaniac]

Put your general Combine takes here.

If it's specific to a player, use the existing player thread.

Things are getting interesting around here.

[PhantomDashCam]

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[timvp]

Tyrese Martin played well at Portsmouth and now at the Elite Camp. He's starting to build that type of pre-draft resume the Spurs look for. Hmm...

[KingKev]

Can they do accurate measurements this year? Instead of testing for PEDs they should test for lifts. It’s a big thing with today’s youth.

Still waiting for Vassell to turn into a 6’7 defensive beast.

[Russ]

The Combine (or portions of it) will be televised on

Thursday at 2:00 PM Central (Day 1) ESPN News (2 hours);

Friday at 1:00 PM Central (Day 2) ESPN News (3 hours); and

Saturday at 7:30 PM Central (Day 3) NBATV (2 hours).

[R. DeMurre]

Can they do accurate measurements this year? Instead of testing for PEDs they should test for lifts. It’s a big thing with today’s youth.

:lol
Is it pretty funny to see such a variation in the difference between barefoot and in shoe measurements.

[KingKev]

:lol
Is it pretty funny to see such a variation in the difference between barefoot and in shoe measurements.

haha there was a time I was 6’0 on tinder lolz… at the end of the day if you can play you can play but accurate and standardized measurements shouldn’t be too much to ask.

[R. DeMurre]

haha there was a time I was 6’0 on tinder lolz… at the end of the day if you can play you can play but accurate and standardized measurements shouldn’t be too much to ask.


:lol The ladies catch on pretty quick when you're chillin' around the house completely naked except for those laced up hi-tops.

[KingKev]

:lol The ladies catch on pretty quick when you're chillin' around the house completely naked except for those laced up hi-tops.

In my experience once they are back at the crib it is not an issue. The draft has always been a crapshoot but with more transparency comes more buyer remorse.

Great combine but actually aren’t that good, bad combine just wasn’t their week, skipped the combine as they are legit, skipped the combine as they are hiding things. NBA scouting isn’t easy.

Overlay social media, the established media etc and it’s basically a casino.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/JeremyWoo/status/1526956256241524738

Some really interesting names.

[BatManu20]

Called it. Miller is shorter than his billed 6’11 height. Not a huge difference, but noteworthy.


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[mo7888]

Called it. Miller is shorter than his billed 6’11 height. Not a huge difference, but noteworthy.


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EJ is a little taller than I expected...

[pad300]

Called it. Miller is shorter than his billed 6’11 height. Not a huge difference, but noteworthy.


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+4 wingspan and 211 is a decent weight for a 6'10" 19 year old...

[T Park]

+4 wingspan and 211 is a decent weight for a 6'10" 19 year old...

Wouldn’t be shocked at all if he’s the pick at 20.

[KingKev]

Called it. Miller is shorter than his billed 6’11 height. Not a huge difference, but noteworthy.


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Rule of thumb for combine height compared to NBA is 1-2 inches shorter.

[bluebellmaniac]

Rule of thumb for combine height compared to NBA is 1-2 inches shorter.

Is Combine height measured barefooted?

[KingKev]

Is Combine height measured barefooted?

They do both now but are still sus and most media outlets report the shoes height it seems

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Mark Williams' measurements are impressive. Charlotte will have to trade up to 9/10/11 to get him before OKC at 12.

Shaedon Sharpe a little shorter than expected but very long arms. Could definitely play the 3 in 2022 NBA.

All body fat measurements are incredibly fake though :lol not sure why they do it at all.

Edit : Blake Wesley at 6'3 barefoot, Branham 6'4 and Kendall Brown 6'6 look a bit disappointing as well. Dyson Daniels 6'6, I expected him to be taller.

[BatManu20]

Dyson is just a hair under 6’8 with shoes. With a near 6’11 wingspan. Solid measurements tbh.


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[BatManu20]

Still a fan of MarJon as an athletic 2-way wing off the bench if he’s there at 20. Might not make it though. And I’m confident he’ll be gone by 25 (if we don’t move these two picks to move up).


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[Degoat]

Jalen Williams has some lonnnng arms

[BatManu20]

Yea Williams’ measurements are freaky. These would make him the 3rd tallest player in the league and the 6th longest wingspan in the league. He doesn’t fall out of the top-15 imo.

No way his body fat % is that low though :lol. Same with all these guys. That’s like Mr. Olympia levels.


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[Uriel]

For all the talk of Duren being a physical specimen, Williams is both taller and has a longer wingspan.

[KingKev]

Dyson is just a hair under 6’8 with shoes. With a near 6’11 wingspan. Solid measurements tbh.


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haha 4.9% body fat is freakish.

[Uriel]

For all the talk of Duren being a physical specimen, Williams is both taller and has a longer wingspan.

[Dejounte]

Mark Williams' measurements are impressive. Charlotte will have to trade up to 9/10/11 to get him before OKC at 12.

Shaedon Sharpe a little shorter than expected but very long arms. Could definitely play the 3 in 2022 NBA.

All body fat measurements are incredibly fake though :lol not sure why they do it at all.

Edit : Blake Wesley at 6'3 barefoot, Branham 6'4 and Kendall Brown 6'6 look a bit disappointing as well. Dyson Daniels 6'6, I expected him to be taller.


Dyson is just a hair under 6’8 with shoes. With a near 6’11 wingspan. Solid measurements tbh.


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why are these conflicting reports?

[KingKev]

why are these conflicting reports?

LOL

[Ariel]

why are these conflicting reports?
Shoes vs no shoes. Here's the truth: https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/


PLAYER
POS
BODY FAT %
HEIGHT W/O SHOES
STANDING REACH
WEIGHT (LBS)
WINGSPAN


Ochai Agbaji
SG
5.40%
6' 4.50''
8' 8.00''
216.8
6' 10.25''


Patrick Baldwin Jr.
SF
8.90%
6' 9.25''
9' 2.50''
230.8
7' 1.75''


MarJon Beauchamp
SG
5.30%
6' 5.25''
8' 10.00''
196.6
7' 0.75''


Malaki Branham
SG
6.10%
6' 4.00''
8' 6.50''
194.8
6' 10.00''


Christian Braun
SG
6.20%
6' 5.50''
8' 3.50''
209.2
6' 6.50''


Kendall Brown
SF
4.90%
6' 6.25''
8' 7.00''
201.2
6' 11.00''


Max Christie
SG
4.80%
6' 4.25''
8' 6.50''
189.2
6' 8.75''


Dyson Daniels
SG
4.90%
6' 6.00''
8' 9.00''
195.2
6' 10.50''


Johnny Davis
PG
6.70%
6' 4.25''
8' 7.50''
196.4
6' 8.50''


Tari Eason
PF
5.90%
6' 6.75''
8' 11.50''
217.4
7' 2.00''


Harrison Ingram
SF
8.30%
6' 5.25''
8' 7.50''
232.8
7' 0.25''


Nikola Jovic
SF
7.40%
6' 9.50''
9' 0.50''
222.6
7' 0.25''


Trevor Keels
SG
13.50%
6' 3.25''
8' 5.00''
223.8
6' 7.25''


Jake LaRavia
PF
9.00%
6' 6.75''
8' 8.00''
227.2
6' 9.50''


E.J. Liddell
PF
12.20%
6' 5.50''
8' 7.50''
243.0
6' 11.75''


Bennedict Mathurin
SG
5.70%
6' 4.50''
8' 8.00''
204.6
6' 9.00''


Bryce McGowens
SG
5.40%
6' 5.25''
8' 7.50''
181.2
6' 8.75''


Leonard Miller
SF
5.70%
6' 8.50''
8' 10.50''
211.0
7' 2.00''


Jean Montero
PG
7.40%
6' 1.00''
8' 2.50''
171.8
6' 5.25''


Wendell Moore
SG
7.50%
6' 4.25''
8' 5.00''
217.2
7' 0.50''


Gabriele Procida
SG-SF
3.80%
6' 5.75''
8' 10.00''
192.8
6' 8.00''


David Roddy
PF
11.60%
6' 4.50''
8' 9.00''
260.8
6' 11.50''


Shaedon Sharpe
SG
4.80%
6' 4.25''
8' 7.50''
198.0
6' 11.50''


Drew Timme
C
15.70%
6' 8.25''
8' 11.50''
231.6
7' 2.00''


Jabari Walker
PF
12.10%
6' 6.75''
8' 9.00''
213.8
6' 10.75''


TyTy Washington Jr.
SG
12.00%
6' 2.25''
8' 3.50''
196.4
6' 8.00''


Peyton Watson
SF
5.20%
6' 6.75''
8' 11.50''
203.4
7' 0.50''


Blake Wesley
SG
5.60%
6' 3.00''
8' 7.00''
187.2
6' 9.25''


Jaylin Williams
C
8.00%
6' 8.75''
9' 0.50''
236.6
7' 1.00''


Mark Williams
C
5.40%
7' 0.00''
9' 9.00''
242.4
7' 6.50''


Jalen Williams
SG
8.90%
6' 4.50''
8' 9.50''
209.2
7' 2.25''

[KingKev]

What’s the point of measuring both shoeless and in shoes when guys wear different shoes? I’m 5’9 barefoot, 5’11 in my J’s but easily 6’5 in stripper heels ��

[Ariel]

No measures available for:
Chet Holmgren
Paolo Banchero
Jaden Ivey
Keegan Murray
AJ Griffin
Jalen Duren
Jeremy Sochan
Ousmane Dieng
Jaden Hardy
Ismael Kamagate
Josh Minnott
Jabari Smith

What’s the point of measuring both shoeless and in shoes when guys wear different shoes? I’m 5’9 barefoot, 5’11 in my J’s but easily 6’5 in stripper heels ��
None that I can think of, other than a pathetic attempt at justifying the ridiculous, marketing driven measurements that keep being published time and again, without calling them outright as liars...

[Ariel]

On the positive side, Baldwin Jr is a legit 6'9" with a 9'2.5" standing reach and 7'2" wingspan, and Nikola Jovic is 6'9.5" with a 9' standing reach and 7" wingspan. Daniels is 6'6", which is more than most SF and quite a few PFs...
On the negative side, Tari Eason is 6' 6.75'', Mathurin is 6'4.5" (6'7" my a$$), and there are no measurements for Duren and Sochan (basically they're probably 2+ inches shorter than advertised)
Johnny Davis is actually 6'4.25", which is very close to his 6'5" declared height. And Blake Wesley is 6'3", which is ok for a combo guard.

[KingKev]

No measures available for:
Chet Holmgren
Paolo Banchero
Jaden Ivey
Keegan Murray
AJ Griffin
Jalen Duren
Jeremy Sochan
Ousmane Dieng
Jaden Hardy
Ismael Kamagate
Josh Minnott
Jabari Smith

None that I can think of, other than a pathetic attempt at justifying the ridiculous, marketing driven measurements that keep being published time and again, without calling them outright as liars...

I never got very far in basketball but if you can play you can play. Measurements are only one variable.

We aren’t starting undersized Vassell and Keldon at the 3 and 4 because of bullshit measurements so much as we are due to poor roster construction. PATFO are pretty hopeless lately but I think they can atleast operate a measuring tape.

[Dejounte]

Where the fuck are the hand sizes tho? So John B can go have an erection over those players

[Ariel]

Where the fuck are the hand sizes tho? So John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719) can go have an erection over those players
The board wouldn't let me post the whole table (too big), so I had to summarize. But you can check the link I provided, it's all there.

[rjv]

we need a bone plates chart

[KingKev]

Where the fuck are the hand sizes tho? So John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719) can go have an erection over those players

haha whoever we draft both John B and ATL Spur will proclaim them future superstars. Have to love the blind optimism!

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1527017688148717569

[KingKev]

we need a bone plates chart

haha I heard Primo’s was To The Moon. They were calling him Crypto Baby!!!

[exstatic]

Is Combine height measured barefooted?

They measure both, and publish it. Not sure why Kev is picking this hill to die on.

[Dejounte]

Eason and L Miller’s hand sizes are the only ones that stand out. Closest thing to a freak is Eason measurement-wise. It’s almost Kawhi-esque.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1527005169107492869

[KingKev]

They measure both, and publish it. Not sure why Kev is picking this hill to die on.

Reading is definitely not your forte. Reading comprehension is just foreign.

[rjv]

haha I heard Primo’s was To The Moon. They were calling him Crypto Baby!!!

if the next time i see primo, he's grabbing something from a shelf that boban can't reach, i'll become a full fledged disciple for bone plate analytics.

[Dejounte]

Actually Jalen Williams is a freak too

[exstatic]

Can they do accurate measurements this year? Instead of testing for PEDs they should test for lifts. It’s a big thing with today’s youth.

Still waiting for Vassell to turn into a 6’7 defensive beast.


Reading is definitely not your forte. Reading comprehension is just foreign.

They measured no differently this year than any other year. You’re having a hissy about combine measurements. I can read and comprehend just fine, but your backpedaling needs some work.

Vassell was never measured at the combine.

[KingKev]

What’s the point of measuring both shoeless and in shoes when guys wear different shoes? I’m 5’9 barefoot, 5’11 in my J’s but easily 6’5 in stripper heels ��


They do both now but are still sus and most media outlets report the shoes height it seems


They measure both, and publish it. Not sure why Kev is picking this hill to die on.

From now on address me as DJay, and i’ll refer to you as Skinny Black

Whoop That Trick!!!

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/Barlowe500/status/1527038335298023425

Some nice date here :

Terquavion Smith shoots lights out and he's a nice athlet ( but another guard)

What happened to Kolokoat the 3pt drills lol

Jalen Williams testing pretty good, plus the measurements today. He could rise imo

A lot of other things but i'm impressed by Liddel no step vertical numbers , his measurements were not bad also. He could be a late first round for us. Dejounte

(https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342)

[Dejounte]

The low vert numbers for PBJ is very disappointing. May rule him out for my late first picks.

Wesley, even with his surprisingly weak measurements, is still an option for me

EJ, Jalen are guys I like with the late picks too

[BackHome]

I am on the Ousmane Dieng train though Daniels and Sochan look good, I wonder why Sochan is not getting measurements?

[PhantomDashCam]

Going over the lane agility times, how does John Butler, Diabate, Johnny Juzang, EJ Liddell.... The list goes on and on...beat Kendall Brown in Lane Agility time?
He may fall to the second round as athletic measurements were the main thing he had going for him tbh

[SAGirl]

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[exstatic]

Going over the lane agility times, how does John Butler, Diabate, Johnny Juzang, EJ Liddell.... The list goes on and on...beat Kendall Brown in Lane Agility time?
He may fall to the second round as athletic measurements were the main thing he had going for him tbh

I think John Butler is going to jump way up, like into the teens. Teams have been loving on FSU players the last few years, and if he’s kicking wings asses in the agility drills, with his height and built in 3 pointer, he’ll climb.

[DesignatedT]

Wendell Moore is testing well also. Could garner a look late first/early second. Patrick Baldwin Jr. looks pretty nice also.

Edit: Baldwin is apparently testing very poorly.

[duncan2150]

Butler max vert was low but i think he did well in shooting.

https://twitter.com/DMurrayHoops/status/1526996626342035458

https://twitter.com/DMurrayHoops/status/1527056883302932482

Ouuuuch !

[PhantomDashCam]

Still big on the Justin Lewis train. Glad to see his anthros. and testing times were all solid to elite. Would love him at 25.

I'm running with:

#9 Ousmane Dieng
#20 Jalen Williams
#25 Justin Lewis
#38 Gabriele Procida

[PhantomDashCam]

I think John Butler is going to jump way up, like into the teens. Teams have been loving on FSU players the last few years, and if he’s kicking wings asses in the agility drills, with his height and built in 3 pointer, he’ll climb.

Wouldn't surprise me at all either. He has many of the pre-draft qualities teams covet and you could make a strong case of late lottery if going the Josh Primo route...

[KingKev]

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Yikes!!! Says alot regarding our draft criteria…

[timvp]

The low vert numbers for PBJ is very disappointing. May rule him out for my late first picks.

Yikes. 26.5-inch max vert? That's the lowest I've ever seen for someone not already regarded as a non-athlete. Luka Garza was 29.5 inches last year and that was regarded as laughably bad.

Yeah, think I'm out on PBJ before 38 after that measurement and his slow lane agility (slower than Luka Garza, too). Not sure why his camp even let him test if he was going to embarrass himself, tbh.

[exstatic]

Wouldn't surprise me at all either. He has many of the pre-draft qualities teams covet and you could make a strong case of late lottery if going the Josh Primo route...

An old school comp might be Cliff Robinson, former Portland draftee in the 90s.

[rascal]

haha whoever we draft both John B and ATL Spur will proclaim them future superstars. Have to love the blind optimism!

There are many here who think most of the players on the roster will improve to be stars.

[PhantomDashCam]

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https://c.tenor.com/ZcJauhR3tu4AAAAC/this-i-promise-you-missionnsync.gif

[John B]

Where the fuck are the hand sizes tho? So John B (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=42719) can go have an erection over those players

:lmao:lmao:lmao

Hey don’t forget about the thighs :lol

[R. DeMurre]

:lol People all over the internetz jumping off the Patrick Baldwin Jr train like it's on fire... oh, wait-- jumping-- that's ironic. Pitfalls of the Eye Test.

[Dejounte]

Yikes. 26.5-inch max vert? That's the lowest I've ever seen for someone not already regarded as a non-athlete. Luka Garza was 29.5 inches last year and that was regarded as laughably bad.

Yeah, think I'm out on PBJ before 38 after that measurement and his slow lane agility (slower than Luka Garza, too). Not sure why his camp even let him test if he was going to embarrass himself, tbh.

it’s not a wonder anymore why PBJ was oft injured in his single year college campaign when he isn’t taking care of his body properly in the gym

i dont know if the dude is lazy or what. Such a shame with all that talent.

[tonight...you]

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https://c.tenor.com/ZcJauhR3tu4AAAAC/this-i-promise-you-missionnsync.gif
Awww... I remember when kids thought turtlenecks were cool.
And tons of leave-in conditioner with sea salt.

Yes! I've worked in the Industry!

[Dejounte]

Gee it’s always funny when the self proclaimed stat guy tries to clown other folks when his use of stats is a joke itself and is at an elementary level :lmao

[R. DeMurre]

:toast Great use of an emoji

[R. DeMurre]

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https://c.tenor.com/ZcJauhR3tu4AAAAC/this-i-promise-you-missionnsync.gif


Interesting... I think teams like LaRavia's versatility and were just waiting for the measurables to make sure nothing crazy was hidden. His wingspan and vertical were decent, so some team pulled the trigger. I wonder who??

[SAGirl]

But are any of these guys high character who interview like they are more mature than teenagers? Just a bit of fun I couldn’t resist.

High foreheads and being slow are a plus!

[PhantomDashCam]

Interesting... I think teams like LaRavia's versatility and were just waiting for the measurables to make sure nothing crazy was hidden. His wingspan and vertical were decent, so some team pulled the trigger. I wonder who??

I would expect it's a team in the 20s. Maybe a Memphis candidate as they have two picks in the 20s. Purely amateur sleuthing here. His agent doesn't really have a list of major NBA clients either with Austin Reaves being the "big name".

[Mr. Body]

Covid is going around. I believe Trayce Jackson-Davis can't do 5-on-5 because he caught it. So could be LaRavia too.

[PhantomDashCam]

Covid is going around. I believe Trayce Jackson-Davis can't do 5-on-5 because he caught it. So could be LaRavia too.

Doesn't seem likely though..

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[BackHome]

Still big on the Justin Lewis train. Glad to see his anthros. and testing times were all solid to elite. Would love him at 25.

I'm running with:

#9 Ousmane Dieng
#20 Jalen Williams
#25 Justin Lewis
#38 Gabriele Procida

I love this...:toast

[PhantomDashCam]

Awww... I remember when kids thought turtlenecks were cool.
And tons of leave-in conditioner with sea salt.

Yes! I've worked in the Industry!

:lol Good stuff! I just assumed there were stylists guiding them towards such things.
Not to derail a thread but were you BTS in the camera department?

[bluebellmaniac]

Yikes. 26.5-inch max vert? That's the lowest I've ever seen for someone not already regarded as a non-athlete. Luka Garza was 29.5 inches last year and that was regarded as laughably bad.

Yeah, think I'm out on PBJ before 38 after that measurement and his slow lane agility (slower than Luka Garza, too). Not sure why his camp even let him test if he was going to embarrass himself, tbh.

He got a promise he liked, so he's low balling it.

[Russ]

He got a promise he liked, so he's low balling it.

Now, that's trust.

[SAGirl]

Doesn't seem likely though..

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I am thinking OKC. Multiple picks, and high on analytics. Also, Memphis if he is there at 22. Just a hunch. Could be others… Could it be the Spurs? With 20 or 25?

[Mr. Body]

Guys, no one has promised Jake LaRavia. No one.

[tonight...you]

:lol Good stuff! I just assumed there were stylists guiding them towards such things.
Not to derail a thread but were you BTS in the camera department?
I was actually a ghostwriter/consultant that watched what happened on many, many sets.

[BatManu20]

LaRavia seems like he’d be a really solid role player on a team that already has an established superstar, but he wouldn’t move the needle much with us. Think the Spurs pass unless he’s clearly BPA at 25.

[objective]

Pleasantly surprised that Roddy is a legit 6-6 in shoes, with great wingspan (+5.5), decent standing reach, and seems to have big hands as well for his size.

I was prepared for him to be like 6-4.5 in shoes, I guess his bulk just makes him look smaller. Slim him down enough so he can move better on defense and he could be a great bench hustle wing with the strength to play up some.

I'm on that Roddy train for 38. Choo choo!

[The Truth #6]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftWass/status/1527005169107492869

That was a good surprise and gives me some hope for him. His vertical wasn’t great but the other numbers are probably more important for most basketball actions.

[rascal]

LaRavia seems like he’d be a really solid role player on a team that already has an established superstar, but he wouldn’t move the needle much with us. Think the Spurs pass unless he’s clearly BPA at 25.

There will be better players at 25.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/JLCuLHZe_uw

one of the nastiest ankle breakers I’ve seen from a prospect this year at 13:40

he has more sick crossovers in this video as well

seems like he has the ball on a yoyo

i dont remember the last player with a wingspan of 7’2” that can handle the ball like that.

[Dejounte]

OH NO. Another great one at 16:52. This guy is IT

[Uriel]

What fascinates me about this whole combine process is how we obsess over physical measurements: over height, wingspan, leaping ability—putting more emphasis on these things than a prospect’s actual ability to play basketball.

[John B]

What fascinates me about this whole combine process is how we obsess over physical measurements: over height, wingspan, leaping ability—putting more emphasis on these things than a prospect’s actual ability to play basketball.

The past few years draftees are becoming younger, earlier to hone and develop their skills at NBA professional level, especially with the advent of G-League. Of course there’s still the bball iq, mechanism and character. I mean with Giannis he was 18 yrs old and a buck eighty pound?? and the Bucks basically made him the player he is now. That’s my take.

[heyheymymy]

I really like what I see from Jalen Williams, kind of has that Keldon esqe motor, if he fell to #38 that's a great snag imo

[Maddog]

https://youtu.be/JLCuLHZe_uw

one of the nastiest ankle breakers I’ve seen from a prospect this year at 13:40

he has more sick crossovers in this video as well

seems like he has the ball on a yoyo

i dont remember the last player with a wingspan of 7’2” that can handle the ball like that.

Interesting
He reminds me a little of Primo in that BY FILM he seems to lack explosiveness. Yet his combine results suggest otherwise

[Dejounte]

Interesting
He reminds me a little of Primo in that BY FILM he seems to lack explosiveness. Yet his combine results suggest otherwise

Don’t say the word Primo around here or the folks obsessed with him (and make every single one of their posts about him) will come barging at the door. Jesus Christ. These guys need to give it a fucking break.

[Mr. Body]

What fascinates me about this whole combine process is how we obsess over physical measurements: over height, wingspan, leaping ability—putting more emphasis on these things than a prospect’s actual ability to play basketball.

And the measurements are promptly forgotten as soon as they're drafted. You still have to be able to play the game.

[MVPCues]

But are any of these guys high character who interview like they are more mature than teenagers? Just a bit of fun I couldn’t resist.

High foreheads and being slow are a plus!

Quality post.

[exstatic]

Interesting
He reminds me a little of Primo in that BY FILM he seems to lack explosiveness. Yet his combine results suggest otherwise

The film test is the eye test. Would you know by viewing that Boris Diaw had an elite level vert?

[duncan2150]

https://youtu.be/JLCuLHZe_uw

one of the nastiest ankle breakers I’ve seen from a prospect this year at 13:40

he has more sick crossovers in this video as well

seems like he has the ball on a yoyo

i dont remember the last player with a wingspan of 7’2” that can handle the ball like that.

https://twitter.com/Barlowe500/status/1527307068247785473

[Atl Spur]

Some funny dudes in here…….. don’t be passive aggressive, just be aggressive :) This kid is no PRIMO

[The Truth #6]

I won’t be surprised if the Spurs draft him at 9. Seems like something they would do. I mean, if he’s tge best player at the combine, what else do we need to know? Joking aside, he could be very useful on the Spurs.

[Ocotillo]

And this is why players fall. We are starting to see tweets about guys working their way to the lottery level and there is only a finite number of those picks. Someone will drop, hope we can exploit it.

[R. DeMurre]

Good to see Jalen Williams getting a flurry of eyes and positive scouting reports on his offense in the last week or so. Playing at Santa Clara almost always has that factor of hiding players, being west coast + smaller conference. It was a few decades ago, but once upon a time #15 Santa Clara upset #2 Arizona in the first round of March Madness and caused a stir which today looks like a pretty unsurprising outcome-- a team led by Steve Nash beating a team led by Chris Mills.

[rjv]

https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/jalen-williams-deserves-your-attention?s=r

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftMikeyV/status/1527327831973191706

Really interesting thread with the standing vertical reach and the max vertical reach by positions.

a few takes :

- Koloko is looong plus his nice shooting from 3 yesterday. Not bad with the late picks
- Ej Liddel continues to impress me, he looks explosive and long.
- Moussa Diabate tested well
- Leonard Miller can jump tough he's has the lowest standing vertical reach among PF's ( he is listed as a SF)
- Kendall Brown is a big time athlet
- Laravia testing a little bit low vs others PF
- Jalen Williams is huge man

[Mr. Body]

We should draft Jaylin Williams and Jalen Williams just for fun.

[The Truth #6]

So it's hilarious that there is a Jalen Williams and a Jaylin Williams. I'm waiting for some team to pick the wrong one by mistake.

Edit: Mr. Body beat me to it.

[pad300]

You know, despite TiMVP's character questions, I strongly suspect the FO is looking very hard at Eason. Even at #9. He fits the Kwitter physical profile to a T (which is obviously something they like), will likely be a shooter in the NBA (.803 FT%), plays hard (including on D), fills a hole in the lineup (PF), very different personality than Kwitter (but that may be a plus...). He also might have a prior relationship with DJ (he was in Seattle for a while growing up).

[The Truth #6]

You know, despite TiMVP's character questions, I strongly suspect the FO is looking very hard at Eason. Even at #9. He fits the Kwitter physical profile to a T (which is obviously something they like), will likely be a shooter in the NBA (.803 FT%), plays hard (including on D), fills a hole in the lineup (PF), very different personality than Kwitter (but that may be a plus...). He also might have a prior relationship with DJ (he was in Seattle for a while growing up).

I could see that. Various posters have commented on Eason having an odd personality, but who knows, maybe it's a quirky personality that Pop loves. I suppose the interview will be crucial. And if nothing else, it seems like Dejounte needs someone from Seattle on the team. Won't be Balenchero, and probably not LaVine but hey, Eason should be available. Ha.

[Mr. Body]

You know, despite TiMVP's character questions, I strongly suspect the FO is looking very hard at Eason. Even at #9. He fits the Kwitter physical profile to a T (which is obviously something they like), will likely be a shooter in the NBA (.803 FT%), plays hard (including on D), fills a hole in the lineup (PF), very different personality than Kwitter (but that may be a plus...). He also might have a prior relationship with DJ (he was in Seattle for a while growing up).

Not only was he in WA, he beat Paolo Banchero for the state title.

https://news.scorebooklive.com/boys-basketball-all-state/2020/03/08/highlights-tari-eason-garfield-dismantle-reigning-champion-odea-to-win-2020-3a-boys-basketball-state-title

[Ariel]

We should draft Jaylin Williams and Jalen Williams just for fun.
That may actually be both funny AND a good idea... Jalen @ 20/25 + Jaylin @ 38 is not bad...

[R. DeMurre]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftMikeyV/status/1527327831973191706

Really interesting thread with the standing vertical reach and the max vertical reach by positions.

a few takes :

- Koloko is looong plus his nice shooting from 3 yesterday. Not bad with the late picks
- Ej Liddel continues to impress me, he looks explosive and long.
- Moussa Diabate tested well
- Leonard Miller can jump tough he's has the lowest standing vertical reach among PF's ( he is listed as a SF)
- Kendall Brown is a big time athlet
- Laravia testing a little bit low vs others PF
- Jalen Williams is huge man

LaRavia's best position in the league might be SF. In the Lane Agility and Shuttle Run tests, he had the best combined scores of all participants, including all of the PGs and SGs. That's pretty impressive for a 6'8" combo forward.

There's one scout that has a term he calls the Golden Dimensions for a SG, which he puts at 6'6" in shoes with a 6'11" wingspan-- these are the Jordan/Kobe/Vince Carter measurements. Jalen Williams, at 6'5.75" in shoes with a 7'2.25" wingspan actually exceeds that.

[Russ]

The Combine is on ESPN News now.

[Mr. Body]

The Combine is on ESPN News now.

ESPN's coverage is so trash. Would rather chat with the coaches and shove the game in a small insert window. I don't know who the players are. It's just crap coverage like the Summer League stuff.

[timvp]

https://twitter.com/NBADraftMikeyV/status/1527327831973191706

Really interesting thread with the standing vertical reach and the max vertical reach by positions.

a few takes :

- Koloko is looong plus his nice shooting from 3 yesterday. Not bad with the late picks
- Ej Liddel continues to impress me, he looks explosive and long.
- Moussa Diabate tested well
- Leonard Miller can jump tough he's has the lowest standing vertical reach among PF's ( he is listed as a SF)
- Kendall Brown is a big time athlet
- Laravia testing a little bit low vs others PF
- Jalen Williams is huge man

The knock on Jalen Williams was that his athleticism didn't pop when watching his film. His testing indicates he is a very good athlete with impressive measurables. If he does even halfway decent in the combine scrimmages, he'll be gone by pick 20.

Impressive climb for someone who was 51st on ESPN's Big Board not that long ago. It felt like a reach when I put him in mid 20s on the Spurs Big Board ...... but now that appears to be too low.

[rjv]

The knock on Jalen Williams was that his athleticism didn't pop when watching his film. His testing indicates he is a very good athlete with impressive measurables. If he does even halfway decent in the combine scrimmages, he'll be gone by pick 20.

Impressive climb for someone who was 51st on ESPN's Big Board not that long ago. It felt like a reach when I put him in mid 20s on the Spurs Big Board ...... but now that appears to be too low.

i could see the bulls taking him with the 18th pick if his upward trend continues.

[Drom John]

I'm liking both Jaylin Williams and Kenny Lofton, Jr. at 38. Both involved at both ends. Williams has a nice passing touch, and Lofton's footwork is superb.

[PhantomDashCam]

Game 1 Boxscore:

https://www.nba.com/game/wvr-vs-cur-0922200001/box-score

[PhantomDashCam]

Not enjoying this Ben Mathurin interview…
“In 5 years what will you be?” “The best player in the NBA”.

Slow your role son. Malaki’s interview from earlier sounded much more Spurs-ian. Not a fan of him at #9 though. Maybe #20….

[PhantomDashCam]

Spurs own Mitch “Johnson” is one of the coaches in the second game. Insider trading watch…

[Ariel]

Not enjoying this Ben Mathurin interview…
“In 5 years what will you be?” “The best player in the NBA”.

Slow your role son. Malaki’s interview from earlier sounded much more Spurs-ian. Not a fan of him at #9 though. Maybe #20….
There's confident. There's delusional. And then there's Mathurin.

[timvp]

Oof. Leonard Miller played himself out of the first round in that scrimmage.

[Marco]

https://twitter.com/Barlowe500/status/1527307068247785473

Seeing who is projected as a lottery pick, it shouldn't be that surprising if he will be selected by a lottery team. Kid seems a baller.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Josh810/status/1527401072280711169

[PhantomDashCam]

Brent Barry also there.

Jalen Williams looks like a taller Primo with skills and shooting ability. :lol

J/K. Think Primo is going to be really solid.

[rascal]

There's confident. There's delusional. And then there's Mathurin.


I don't care about answers to a question. Bring it on the court is what matters.

[rascal]

Oof. Leonard Miller played himself out of the first round in that scrimmage.

Miller is not ready as a first rounder.

[timvp]

Jalen Williams at 9? I think it's about time to rev up that bandwagon, tbh.

[The Truth #6]

If Jalen Williams can be a shot creator as point small forward, that would be huge for the Spurs.

[Cardinal]

Jalen Williams has done well for himself in the scrimmage this far. He’ll definitely be moving up draft boards even more

[Mr. Body]

Wake Forest had two potential first round picks in Alondes Williams and Jake LaRavia and didn't make the tournament. How does that happen?

[PhantomDashCam]

Christian Braun also performing well. He reminds me of Donte Divencenzo. Weren’t the Spurs rumoured to be interested in him in the Lonnie draft?

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1527368683110051849

[FvckMavs]

Manu is there and Pop is in Europe. Hm....just saying.

[mystargtr34]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1527368683110051849

Not that there’s anything wrong with this but I get major gay vibes with Sochan. Wouldn’t be surprised if he came out a couple years into the league. Him and Keldon would probably start dating if the Spurs draft him.

Having said that I still like him at 9.

[objective]

Wake Forest had two potential first round picks in Alondes Williams and Jake LaRavia and didn't make the tournament. How does that happen?

Weird but it happens. Washington with Dejounte and Chriss and a freshman thybulle missed the tourny I think, but of course those guys were all freshmen

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1527370989054533633

[T Park]

Clearly Spurstalk has to educate these players on how awful Pop is.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1527366542765109249

[R. DeMurre]

I'd <almost> forgotten about the hundreds and hundreds of shared tweets every draft season that feature a picture of a prospect with a quote underneath that says "it was a great interview, and they're a great organization." I wanna find some twitter account where guys say "please Lord, don't let me get drafted by Sacramento, please Lord please!"

[Mr. Body]

I'd <almost> forgotten about the hundreds and hundreds of shared tweets every draft season that feature a picture of a prospect with a quote underneath that says "it was a great interview, and they're a great organization." I wanna find some twitter account where guys say "please Lord, don't let me get drafted by Sacramento, please Lord please!"

"How about the Suns? Do you like the Suns?"

"... Do they have a draft pick?"

[PhantomDashCam]

1527360575285886979

[tonight...you]

https://twitter.com/Josh810/status/1527401072280711169
So cool he's there.
He's one of those guys that had "IT".
And game can recognize game...

Hope he has some sage advice for the FO.

[Mugen]

Clearly Spurstalk has to educate these players on how awful Pop is.

I didn't think "candidate blows smoke up a potential employer's ass in hopes for more money" would be noteworthy for the Sniff Crew tbh :lol

[John B]

So cool he's there.
He's one of those guys that had "IT".
And game can recognize game...

Hope he has some sage advice for the FO.

He was picked 57. And at his age then, he’d probably go undrafted now.

[tonight...you]

He was picked 57. And at his age then, he’d probably go undrafted now.
I remember when he was drafted, I was young and exuberant.
My best friend was straight up from Chicago and now following Kobe and the Lakers because he was like that.

I remember some scout calling Ginobili the Euro-Kobe and I watched some film (less access back then) and I said the same refrain to him and he just laughed and laughed...

He passed before he got to see how awesome Manu was.
Shame. He would have appreciated.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think it's likely that Keegan Murray could fall a few spots. That would be ideal

[exstatic]

He was picked 57. And at his age then, he’d probably go undrafted now.

There was almost no European Scouting in 99. If there were, he would have been a FRP. Duarte was drafted in the Lottery last year at 23

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1527354329468145665

[Ariel]

There was almost no European Scouting in 99. If there were, he would have been a FRP. Duarte was drafted in the Lottery last year at 23
No he wouldn't. At the time he was playing in the Italian 2nd division with Reggio Calabria, it was after he got picked that his career skyrocketed. RC Buford took notice of him in the U22 WC in Australia in 1997, and began following then. Took a flyer with an almost worthless late 2nd rounder and struck gold, but truth be told it was more luck than anything else. You don't let someone you truly believe in slip to 57.

[Ariel]

I remember when he was drafted, I was young and exuberant.
My best friend was straight up from Chicago and now following Kobe and the Lakers because he was like that.

I remember some scout calling Ginobili the Euro-Kobe and I watched some film (less access back then) and I said the same refrain to him and he just laughed and laughed...

He passed before he got to see how awesome Manu was.
Shame. He would have appreciated.
You're getting your dates confused, likely 1999 with 2002. When Manu was picked he was nowhere near the widely recognized player he became by the time he actually stepped foot in the NBA.

[heyheymymy]

Wow not surprised to see Jalen Williams getting lottery mentions after watching some clips but tankathon has him at #37 in their mock when I looked just the other day though obvs these mocks are super loose right now. Will be really interesting to see if some guys can jump and push back some value to SA.

[BatManu20]

Not that there’s anything wrong with this but I get major gay vibes with Sochan. Wouldn’t be surprised if he came out a couple years into the league. Him and Keldon would probably start dating if the Spurs draft him.

Having said that I still like him at 9.

:lol

[BatManu20]

1527470064093495296

[offset formation]

Not that there’s anything wrong with this but I get major gay vibes with Sochan. Wouldn’t be surprised if he came out a couple years into the league. Him and Keldon would probably start dating if the Spurs draft him.

Having said that I still like him at 9.

So you have a Gay-dar?

[offset formation]

I think it's likely that Keegan Murray could fall a few spots. That would be ideal

Definitely who I'm hoping for at 9, but it's wishful thinking.

[mystargtr34]

So you have a Gay-dar?

Well to get myself out of jail here I have never once before looked at any draft prospect and thought, I think this guy is gay. And I only thought that with Sochan when I saw his outfit at the draft combine the other day, then listened to his interview, then thought about the coloured hairstyles etc.

[offset formation]

Well to get myself out of jail here I have never once before looked at any draft prospect and thought, I think this guy is gay. And I only thought that with Sochan when I saw his outfit at the draft combine the other day, then listened to his interview, then thought about the coloured hairstyles etc.

Just giving you shit. Nothing wrong with what you said. He may very well be. And growing up for a number of years in Waco, and being a former Baylor Ball Boy (basketball sweat scrubber) I can tell you there are a number of gay athletes and students that attend Baylor. Which is ironic considering it's the largest Southern Baptist university on Earth.

[mystargtr34]

Someone who popped out to me in the draft combine measurements was Marjon Beauchamp. His physical profile is very similar to Herb Jones and could be worth a look at 20. He might have that potential as a defensive stopper who can also switch and guard 2-4. Very good rebounder, 3 point shot needs work (24% on 2.8 attempts in the G-League).

6’5.25 without shoes (-0.75” vs Jones)
7’0.75 wingspan (+0.5” vs Jones)
8’10 standing reach (= vs Jones)

He didn’t test in the lane agility and vertical leaping but he’s a very good athlete.

Herb Jones had very similar measurements to Kawhi (identical height and standing reach, Kawhi had a ridiculous 7’3 wingspan).

[mystargtr34]

Just giving you shit. Nothing wrong with what you said. He may very well be. And growing up for a number of years in Waco, and being a former Baylor Ball Boy (basketball sweat scrubber) I can tell you there are a number of gay athletes and students that attend Baylor. Which is ironic considering it's the largest Southern Baptist university on Earth.

Haha yep all good I took it as a joke 👍🏼😂

[heyheymymy]

I feel like who fuckin cares if he's gay or not, if he's good at basketball he belongs on my fav team no doubt.

[mystargtr34]

I feel like who fuckin cares if he's gay or not, if he's good at basketball he belongs on my fav team no doubt.

Haha for sure I wouldn’t care if he was and he was on the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

Well to get myself out of jail here I have never once before looked at any draft prospect and thought, I think this guy is gay. And I only thought that with Sochan when I saw his outfit at the draft combine the other day, then listened to his interview, then thought about the coloured hairstyles etc.

Might be bisexual like Rodman was. Who knows. Who cares. So long as he can hoop.

[R. DeMurre]

One guy I feel a little bad for is Trayce Jackson-Davis. Earlier in the week, he seemed to have the most hype as an overlooked sleeper, but then he got covid and had to drop out of the combine activities. Guys like Jalen Williams and Jake LaRavia were the big risers in the last few days, with LaRavia likely getting a promise from a team and dropping out of the scrimmages, and some scouts predicting that J-Will would go as high as a lottery pick. I wonder how teams will proceed with Trayce at this point? I suppose they'll do their own measurements, but he'll miss out on trying to wow people in the combine environment. He led his team in points, rebounds, and blocks-- 18.3/8.1/2.3-- as well as FG% and FTA. He led the entire country in FTA last year and has averaged 12 FTA per game over his career at Indiana, which is an elite number. He led the entire Big Ten conference in Defensive Win Shares and was 2nd behind Keegan Murray in Total Win Shares. His most common player comp is Brandon Clarke.

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/nbadraftmikeyv/status/1527329565806252032?

hes also first among SFs

all this while being one of the most complete offensive players in the draft

No need to overthink this. Draft JWill and run

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/Dd4vQtzEAbg

look who is watching intently

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/xGnicscwYp8

take note: JWill is ambidextrous

its gonna take years for Eason or Sochan to learn moves like this

draft him with the 9th

get this draft over with.

lets move on to FA

[Marco]

Jalen Williams is a baller.

[KingKev]

Well to get myself out of jail here I have never once before looked at any draft prospect and thought, I think this guy is gay. And I only thought that with Sochan when I saw his outfit at the draft combine the other day, then listened to his interview, then thought about the coloured hairstyles etc.

haha man I could care less about a players sexuality but I laughed out loud about Keldon and him being boyfriends. The youth push the envelope these days with their styles etc, maybe he is already open. Makes no difference but if him and Keldon are dating somebody has to get traded LOL

[KingKev]

Anyone think Eason can play the 3?

[Mr. Body]

I wish I were bisexual. Opens up the entire population.

[tonight...you]

You're getting your dates confused, likely 1999 with 2002. When Manu was picked he was nowhere near the widely recognized player he became by the time he actually stepped foot in the NBA.
I know that. I wasn't suggesting he was widely recognized, but he was a Euro MVP and the comparisons overseas were happening.

[Degoat]

Spurs are in such a good position as long as they don’t fuck around lol they’ll be able to grab one of either Johnny Davis, Mathurin, JWill, Sochan, Eason. Just gotta hope they don’t pull some shit and grab Nikola Jovic with the 9th pick or something.

[Mr. Body]

One guy I feel a little bad for is Trayce Jackson-Davis. Earlier in the week, he seemed to have the most hype as an overlooked sleeper, but then he got covid and had to drop out of the combine activities. Guys like Jalen Williams and Jake LaRavia were the big risers in the last few days, with LaRavia likely getting a promise from a team and dropping out of the scrimmages, and some scouts predicting that J-Will would go as high as a lottery pick. I wonder how teams will proceed with Trayce at this point? I suppose they'll do their own measurements, but he'll miss out on trying to wow people in the combine environment. He led his team in points, rebounds, and blocks-- 18.3/8.1/2.3-- as well as FG% and FTA. He led the entire country in FTA last year and has averaged 12 FTA per game over his career at Indiana, which is an elite number. He led the entire Big Ten conference in Defensive Win Shares and was 2nd behind Keegan Murray in Total Win Shares. His most common player comp is Brandon Clarke.

Agree. I follow Big Ten and IU fairly closely and think he should be early 2nd round. I've also tabbed Clarke as a decent comparison. If the Spurs had room, I certainly wouldn't mind giving him a shot. Good character, rangy and athletic, good hustle, just missing that jumpshot.

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/xGnicscwYp8

take note: JWill is ambidextrous

its gonna take years for Eason or Sochan to learn moves like this

draft him with the 9th

get this draft over with.

lets move on to FA

Kudos to Jalen Williams. I'd still not be overjoyed to take him at #9. None of the very top players are in these scrimmages. He's playing against a lower echelon. Of course he had a great year and his numbers look very good, but I'm weary of paying too much attention to the combine at this point.

[rjv]

Someone who popped out to me in the draft combine measurements was Marjon Beauchamp. His physical profile is very similar to Herb Jones and could be worth a look at 20. He might have that potential as a defensive stopper who can also switch and guard 2-4. Very good rebounder, 3 point shot needs work (24% on 2.8 attempts in the G-League).

6’5.25 without shoes (-0.75” vs Jones)
7’0.75 wingspan (+0.5” vs Jones)
8’10 standing reach (= vs Jones)

He didn’t test in the lane agility and vertical leaping but he’s a very good athlete.

Herb Jones had very similar measurements to Kawhi (identical height and standing reach, Kawhi had a ridiculous 7’3 wingspan).

that's all very nice and all but is he gay?

[Ariel]

I know that. I wasn't suggesting he was widely recognized, but he was a Euro MVP and the comparisons overseas were happening.
Not in 1999. In 1998 he went to Italy to play for Reggio Calabria in the 2nd division and got the promotion to the 1st division, THEN he was drafted and subsequently played another season for Reggio Calabria in the Italian 1st division, following that he signed for Kinder Bologna and THERE he earned Euroleague finals MVP in 2001. That's when he really gained widespread attention. Not before that. Look, it's pretty easy to figure out: someone who draws comparisons to Kobe doesn't fall to 57. Again, you're probably in good faith confusing 1999 with 2001/2002.

[duncan2150]

Spurs are in such a good position as long as they don’t fuck around lol they’ll be able to grab one of either Johnny Davis, Mathurin, JWill, Sochan, Eason. Just gotta hope they don’t pull some shit and grab Nikola Jovic with the 9th pick or something.

The only one i could like the reach is Dieng tough i prefer drafting in your list( with Daniels also in the mix and maybe not Jwill). Jovic at 20 is ok

[Ariel]

that's all very nice and all but is he gay?
:lol

[BatManu20]

1524403131379073024

[Mr. Body]

Trayce Jackson-Davis is going back to college. He'll be pretty old for a draftee next year, but I do see pro material in him. At least he can make some jack with the NIL in his next year.

[The Truth #6]

Shit, with a solid combine scrimmage it's going to be hard for the Spurs to pass on J Will. Not exactly joking. Oddly, I would be ok with this pick despite their presumed rationale for selecting players. He looks like a two way wing who can get to the rim, pass, shoot the three, and defend. Wish he was taller but he may be a good problem to have. Would guarantee they move on from Walker. At the trade deadline, they could trade whoever is deemed superfluous, I suppose. I can see a path for this pick working out very well.

[exstatic]

Shit, with a solid combine scrimmage it's going to be hard for the Spurs to pass on J Will. Not exactly joking. Oddly, I would be ok with this pick despite their presumed rationale for selecting players. He looks like a two way wing who can get to the rim, pass, shoot the three, and defend. Wish he was taller but he may be a good problem to have. Would guarantee they move on from Walker. At the trade deadline, they could trade whoever is deemed superfluous, I suppose. I can see a path for this pick working out very well.

No one wanted Walker at the deadline last year. Why pay him to have the same results this year?

[Mr. Body]

ESPN not even bothering to show the game any more. They wander off into commercial, come back, start chatting with a GM, talk to a guy who'se not playing, while the game is still going on.

[timvp]

Damn, after that performance (team-high 19 points on 7-for-8 shooting), Jalen Williams has to be extremely high on the next Spurs Big Board. If you were his agent, you would have told him not to play because he had already generated sufficient buzz at the combine. He played anyways and did really well.

I think Williams is now clearly in play at 9. The competitiveness he showed is even more Primo than Primo because even Primo only played in one of the scrimmages.

[Mr. Body]

Most of those players were not NBA caliber. Williams looked great in comparison because he does have NBA talent. I hope the FO doesn't misread the context and reach for him.

[Dejounte]

Spurstalk: why couldnt the Spurs draft someone like Poole

also Spurstalk pre-draft time (if they were picking 9th in that draft): well Poole is a reach at this spot. Pass.

grab talent when you see talent. Stop overthinking this.

[Mr. Body]

Spurstalk: why couldnt the Spurs draft someone like Poole

also Spurstalk pre-draft time (if they were picking 9th in that draft): well Poole is a reach at this spot. Pass.

grab talent when you see talent. Stop overthinking this.

I didn't realize there was no talent at #9.

[Marco]

Spurstalk: why couldnt the Spurs draft someone like Poole

also Spurstalk pre-draft time (if they were picking 9th in that draft): well Poole is a reach at this spot. Pass.

grab talent when you see talent. Stop overthinking this.
I agree.

[Dejounte]

I didn't realize there was no talent at #9.
Let me fix my wording: grab special talent when you see special talent. If you believe that a player is the best of the bunch, dont fucking play around and just get him

[Mr. Body]

Let me fix my wording: grab special talent when you see special talent. If you believe that a player is the best of the bunch, dont fucking play around and just get him

I mean, obviously. But Jalen Williams isn't a special talent. He's just a talent.

[exstatic]

Spurs fans: how could we have drafted Primo based on the combine? Doh!

Also Spurs fans: Jalen Williams is killing it at the combine. We must draft him!

[Dejounte]

I mean, obviously. But Jalen Williams isn't a special talent. He's just a talent.

there were 40 teams who thought Jokic was just a talent too. I don’t really think you’re following my logic here.

[Ariel]

there were 40 teams who thought Jokic was just a talent too. I don’t really think you’re following my logic here.
Including Denver, since they thought he wasn't special enough to pick him over Nurkic and Gary Harris (and you don't just risk every team passing on someone you believe is really special).
I like Jalen Williams, but it's much easier to bet on a dark horse when you're using a low 1st or mid 2nd than when you're using a top 10 pick. If you take him there and he's not better than Mathurin, it's going to be much tougher to justify than it was last year with Primo.

[PhantomDashCam]

Jalen Williams has a little Pre-Spurs Steve Smith about him. Has that ‘Smitty’ move mastered.
If the Spurs do pick him at #9, double check the spelling on the card please :lol

[tonight...you]

Not in 1999. In 1998 he went to Italy to play for Reggio Calabria in the 2nd division and got the promotion to the 1st division, THEN he was drafted and subsequently played another season for Reggio Calabria in the Italian 1st division, following that he signed for Kinder Bologna and THERE he earned Euroleague finals MVP in 2001. That's when he really gained widespread attention. Not before that. Look, it's pretty easy to figure out: someone who draws comparisons to Kobe doesn't fall to 57. Again, you're probably in good faith confusing 1999 with 2001/2002.
You're right about the dates and I didn't explain the situation well enough.
I should have said when he was finally coming into the league my excitement was hype and my dude was playing it down like I was crazy.
Which I don't blame him.
Like I said, I wish he could have seen Manu play.

[PhantomDashCam]

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[Maddog]

You're right about the dates and I didn't explain the situation well enough.
I should have said when he was finally coming into the league my excitement was hype and my dude was playing it down like I was crazy.
Which I don't blame him.
Like I said, I wish he could have seen Manu play.
The Spurs drafted Gordon Giricek in the second round before Manu

[scott]

Draft Jalen and Jaylin and also sign Jalen Smith and trade for Jalen Johnson and let's do this thing.

[rascal]

Jalen Williams has a little Pre-Spurs Steve Smith about him. Has that ‘Smitty’ move mastered.
If the Spurs do pick him at #9, double check the spelling on the card please :lol

Steve Smith was not good with the Spurs.

[PhantomDashCam]

Steve Smith was not good with the Spurs.

Hence the “Pre-“ moniker…

[PhantomDashCam]

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[Mr. Body]

there were 40 teams who thought Jokic was just a talent too. I don’t really think you’re following my logic here.

Jalen Williams is Jokic now?

[buttsR4rebounding]

there were 40 teams who thought Jokic was just a talent too. I don’t really think you’re following my logic here.

Damn, I must have missed those additional 10 teams being added.

[tonight...you]

The Spurs drafted Gordon Giricek in the second round before Manu
And they still drafted Manu when no one else was gong to.
I give zero shits about anything else.

[Dejounte]

Jalen Williams is Jokic now?

Who fucking knows? You dont. I don’t. Nobody who passed on Jokic did.

[Uriel]

Given the Spurs’ record of overvaluing performance at pre-draft camps, don’t be surprised if they trade #9 and #20 to get into the top 5 and pick Jalen Williams.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1527831793293991936

[DesignatedT]

I like Branham. Actually probably like him more than Mathurin and Davis.

[Degoat]

Just thinking about it, Imo JWill doesn’t make it past the Cavs picking at 14. He’d be a perfect fit for them tbh lol I’d like him at 9 for the spurs he’s growing on me.

[SAGirl]

Given the Spurs’ record of overvaluing performance at pre-draft camps, don’t be surprised if they trade #9 and #20 to get into the top 5 and pick Jalen Williams.
This was funny thanks Uriel. Love to keep things light.

[John B]

This was funny thanks Uriel. Love to keep things light.

Too funny that the Spurs selected Primo, Samanic after their strong performance at the Combine

[Maddog]

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Is he fluent in polish?
If so might help bring in the Poth, Falls City, Panna Maria crowd

[John B]

Is he fluent in polish?
If so might help bring in the Poth, Falls City, Panna Maria crowd

Defense, outside shooting and that swagger. This kid is my target at #9

[Russ]

I like Branham. Actually probably like him more than Mathurin and Davis.

Branham is pretty underrated (especially compared to a lot of other Big 10 prospects).

In fact, he looks pretty damn good. He had one of the better TV interviews at the combine and also looks mature on the court -- moves with a purpose off the ball and scores fairly well going to the basket. He looks involved and aware whether he's got the ball or not. Excellent shooter. 53% from two, 42% from three and 83% from the line. Nice blend of athleticism, skill and control.

But he's probably a reach at 9 and gone by 20.

[JPB]

Sochan #9, Jovic #20 & draft and stash #25 would be a helluva draft. Sochan might be gone earlier tho.

[rascal]

Sochan #9, Jovic #20 & draft and stash #25 would be a helluva draft. Sochan might be gone earlier tho.

Guys see a couple of Combine tapes and immediately want to draft those guys.

Don't want Jovic at 20.

[JPB]

Guys see a couple of Combine tapes and immediately want to draft those guys.

Don't want Jovic at 20.

Try euroleague and eurocup games. I didn't wait this draft to know about Jovic. Just didn't really know about is personality.

[Mr. Body]

Branham has the same issues as Jovic and McGowens -- he's a really poor defender. Not that any of them can't improve, just mentioning.

[R. DeMurre]

One thing to take into account with guys like Jalen Williams is definitely the level of his teammates. Paolo Banchero had 6 teammates that were RSCI Top 100 out of high school. Chet had 9. Mathurin had 4, Sochan had 5, Tari Eason had 6... Jalen had zero. Santa Clara were 10-5 in the WCC, but two of those loses were against Gonzaga, and their overall record was 21-12. If you go through the loses, few of them were the result of Jalen playing badly-- usually it was simply a case of him not getting enough contributions from teammates. And even in the rare games where his shooting wasn't there, you see other positive factors like rebounds, assists, and steals. The guy's impressive.

[RC_Drunkford]

Jalen Williams definitely looks like the sleeper in this draft with star potential out of the top 8. Imagine a DJ/J-Will back court :lol 2 guards with 7 foot wingspans. The only question is what the hell are we doing with Primo, Vassell and Keldon when we draft another wing?

[mo7888]

Jalen Williams definitely looks like the sleeper in this draft with star potential out of the top 8. Imagine a DJ/J-Will back court :lol 2 guards with 7 foot wingspans. The only question is what the hell are we doing with Primo, Vassell and Keldon when we draft another wing?

I think we should package one of them with a draft pick to go after a player we want...hopefully one that plays the 4..

[RC_Drunkford]

I think we should package one of them with a draft pick to go after a player we want...hopefully one that plays the 4..

you can't package Primo, nobody wants him. I wouldn't mind packaging one of Keldon or Vassell, but I also think Keldon and #9 + #20 might be enough for the #3 pick so... I don't know. Spurs gotta figure it out

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1528079973696806912

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1528050812114837504

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1528170237778087936

https://twitter.com/Mike_Schmitz/status/1528069204791939072

[mo7888]

you can't package Primo, nobody wants him. I wouldn't mind packaging one of Keldon or Vassell, but I also think Keldon and #9 + #20 might be enough for the #3 pick so... I don't know. Spurs gotta figure it out

If that package gets is to #3 we should do it...it's a no brainer..

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1528146096513781760

[PhantomDashCam]

If Mark Williams goes before the #20 pick, consider me shocked.
I’m sticking with my Roy Hibbert comparison.
Trevion Williams will be a better selection than this guy…

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1528141730742251520

[rascal]

Eason has a very low release point on his shot.

[CGD]

If Mark Williams goes before the #20 pick, consider me shocked.
I’m sticking with my Roy Hibbert comparison.
Trevion Williams will be a better selection than this guy…

Charlotte needs a center and Duren will be gone before they pick. If Williams is there when they pick they’ll be super stoked. Won’t last to 20 in my view.

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1528141730742251520

This kid is all over the place on the boards. If you believe some he may be there at 25. Others have him in lottery. Wonder what accounts for the huge variance

[PhantomDashCam]

Charlotte needs a center and Duren will be gone before they pick. If Williams is there when they pick they’ll be super stoked. Won’t last to 20 in my view.

Possible, but it depends on who’s there coach tbh.
The current finalists- Darvin Ham, Mike D’antoni, Sean Sweeney and Kenny Atkinson, all arguably, based on recent trends, care little for a traditional C.

[BackHome]

If Charlotte doesn’t take him at 13 they will definitely take him at 15 if he still available

[mo7888]

Possible, but it depends on who’s there coach tbh.
The current finalists- Darvin Ham, Mike D’antoni, Sean Sweeney and Kenny Atkinson, all arguably, based on recent trends, care little for a traditional C.

Excellent point...

[TD 21]

Possible, but it depends on who’s there coach tbh.
The current finalists- Darvin Ham, Mike D’antoni, Sean Sweeney and Kenny Atkinson, all arguably, based on recent trends, care little for a traditional C.

Ham is not a head coach and both the Hawks/Bucks always skewed big under Budenholzer because their personnel dictated as such.

Sweeney is also not a head coach and the Mavericks have been rumored interested in high profile C's since Porzingis was traded.

D'Antoni and Atkinson didn't seem to take issue with Capela and Allen respectively, with the former only being traded to accommodate Westbrook's flawed game.

The Hornets have long been rumored to be interested in a traditional C. That's not changing because of some new coach.

[rascal]

If Charlotte doesn’t take him at 13 they will definitely take him at 15 if he still available

Yep, Charlotte needs a center and Williams won't get past them.

[Mr. Body]

Also, GM Michael Jordan isn't going to pick a different player based on who the coach is.

[The Truth #6]

Yep, Charlotte needs a center and Williams won't get past them.

Unless Jordan hates Duke players. He’s from UNC and he’s petty. So, maybe? Lol.

[DPG21920]

If CHA reason for firing Borrego is because they want to be a PO team and took “a step backwards” then why would they not just trade their lottery picks for someone like Jak to actually help them win now?

Jak would be a slam dunk if you’re pick 13 or 15 turned out as good so why not guarantee it by making a deal with SA? You think firing you good coach and adding a late lottery Center will help you win more games? Ok…

[RC_Drunkford]

gotta say I'm very high on EJ Liddell after seeing the combine numbers. At first I thought he could be undersized, but having the highest vert in the combine and a 6'11 wingspan certainly make up for that. Very polished player, good rim protector, passer and shooter with an NBA ready body. Can definitely see him fill the hole at the 4

[Ariel]

gotta say I'm very high on EJ Liddell after seeing the combine numbers. At first I thought he could be undersized, but having the highest vert in the combine and a 6'11 wingspan certainly make up for that. Very polished player, good rim protector, passer and shooter with an NBA ready body. Can definitely see him fill the hole at the 4
We've got to come out of this draft with some size and athleticism. If we use no. 9 on Mathurin/Daniels/Davis, we've got 20/25 to go for it. Unless Eason is on the board at 20, that leaves Liddell as the most likely candidate. And if the FO goes talent over fit at 20 and decide to use 25 (may be traded for a future 1st or used to trade up), he'll be very hard to pass on at 25. IMO we're coming away with one of these: Sochan/Duren (9th pick), Eason (20 or trade up) or Lidell (25).

[R. DeMurre]

Jordan won titles with Luc Longley, Bill Cartright, Will Perdue, Stacey King, Bill Wennington, etc... I have to wonder if this idea that he's obsessed with centers is a bit overstated.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1528131166045339648

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1527354329468145665

[Mr. Body]

I can see Procida in the late 1st. Love his athleticism.

[BackHome]

Yeah if not trading Jakob then would definitely would not mind him at pick 25

[BackHome]

Some of the winners at the combine:

1.Terquavion Smith
2. Josh Minot
3. Dareon Seaboron
4. Drew Timmie
5. andrew Nembhard
6. Cockburn
7. Hugo Besson
8. Procida

Probably the guy that got the worse was Patrick Baldwin - had a terrible year followed up with terrible scores as far as measurements speed, jumping etc...the kid really needs to go back to a new program or he will definitely be a second round pick.

[exstatic]

Charlotte needs a center and Duren will be gone before they pick. If Williams is there when they pick they’ll be super stoked. Won’t last to 20 in my view.

Bismack Biyambo, part II.

[exstatic]

The Venn diagram of posters pissed that we drafted Primo based on a plus Combine showing, yet clamoring for the Spurs to do it again with Jalen Williams, who has show both poor defense and poor rebounding, is one circle.

[bluebellmaniac]

The Venn diagram of posters pissed that we drafted Primo based on a plus Combine showing, yet clamoring for the Spurs to do it again with Jalen Williams, who has show both poor defense and poor rebounding, is one circle.

So true... Sigh

[PhantomDashCam]

Ham is not a head coach and both the Hawks/Bucks always skewed big under Budenholzer because their personnel dictated as such.

Sweeney is also not a head coach and the Mavericks have been rumored interested in high profile C's since Porzingis was traded.

D'Antoni and Atkinson didn't seem to take issue with Capela and Allen respectively, with the former only being traded to accommodate Westbrook's flawed game.

The Hornets have long been rumored to be interested in a traditional C. That's not changing because of some new coach.

Mitch Kupchak from an interview after his extension. Take it with a grain of salt but still….

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[John B]

Some of the winners at the combine:

1.Terquavion Smith
2. Josh Minot
3. Dareon Seaboron
4. Drew Timmie
5. andrew Nembhard
6. Cockburn
7. Hugo Besson
8. Procida

Probably the guy that got the worse was Patrick Baldwin - had a terrible year followed up with terrible scores as far as measurements speed, jumping etc...the kid really needs to go back to a new program or he will definitely be a second round pick.

I wouldn’t be surprised if PATFO has a selection from one of those, as they’ve recently heavily relied on, as shown on their picks of Samanic, Primo and Weiskamp, all performing very well at the Combine.

[SAGirl]

Mitch Kupchak from an interview after his extension. Take it with a grain of salt but still….

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If these guys can ball decently next season what a horrible showing for Borrego in Charlotte…

[T Park]

If Mark Williams goes before the #20 pick, consider me shocked.
I’m sticking with my Roy Hibbert comparison.
Trevion Williams will be a better selection than this guy…

Prepare to be shocked.

[R. DeMurre]

The Venn diagram of posters pissed that we drafted Primo based on a plus Combine showing, yet clamoring for the Spurs to do it again with Jalen Williams, who has show both poor defense and poor rebounding, is one circle.


Partially true, but a deeper dive into Jalen's college record also shows a few things that Primo's one year at Alabama didn't, namely that he could be a first option offensively, that his assist-to-turnover ratio could improve, etc., and that's on a team with less talent than most where he's pretty clearly the best guy... I think one could argue that while Primo's growth is projected, Jalen's is documented. Jalen led his team in assists per minute. Primo was 8th on his team in the same category. Also, Jalen measured at a hair under 6'6" with a 7'2" wingspan. Pretty unlikely Primo's wingspan ever increases by 5". I do agree with you on the defensive concerns however.

[Mr. Body]

If these guys can ball decently next season what a horrible showing for Borrego in Charlotte…

What players does he think he has on the bench? Kai Jones and Bouknight? They're not ready