Official 2022 NBA Offseason and 2022-2023 NBA Season Thread

[Rummpd]

This season soon over and good riddance but hopefully Celtics ring over GSRef

22-23 too early predictions

Champs - Bucks come back to win 2 of three after Nets have best regular season
Coach of Year - Ham due solely to media love after Fakers finish 4th in West
MVP - some guy named Luka edging out Durant (who wins scoring title)
Popovich retires and Spurs name woman coach but not Becky
LeBron goes all in on scoring to catch Kareem
Davis and Simmons continue to have strange injuries
Zion makes big return plays well but hurt before playoffs

[FrostKing]

You work for ESPN homie?

[Rummpd]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-davis-says-hasn-t-164227138.html

Lol AD

[Rummpd]

You work for ESPN homie?

Actually my paid NBA sportswriter days ended long ago when hoopsworld.com folded. Why the espn (which I overall despise) take? I usually enjoy your posts

[FrostKing]

Actually my paid NBA sportswriter days ended long ago when hoopsworld.com folded. Why the espn (which I overall despise) take? I usually enjoy your posts
A joke intended to imply you are sport hungry. Already thinking 2023

I personally want to see Zion rebound. Bulls not resign Lavine and Lebron forced to see out what he signed up for.

[Dirks_Finale]

This season soon over and good riddance but hopefully Celtics ring over GSRef

22-23 too early predictions

Champs - Bucks come back to win 2 of three after Nets have best regular season
Coach of Year - Ham due solely to media love after Fakers finish 4th in West
MVP - some guy named Luka edging out Durant (who wins scoring title)
Popovich retires and Spurs name woman coach but not Becky
LeBron goes all in on scoring to catch Kareem
Davis and Simmons continue to have strange injuries
Zion makes big return plays well but hurt before playoffs

He will go full woke and hire Queen Latifah, tbh.

[ambchang]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/anthony-davis-says-hasn-t-164227138.html

Lol AD

This quote pretty much sums up the simpleton views of laker fans “Some fans think the only path to success is some kind of Kobe “I’m very public about the grind” way. That’s not the only path to success (ask Tim Duncan, whose resume stacks up nicely with Kobe’s).”

[Thread]

This quote pretty much sums up the simpleton views of laker fans “Some fans think the only path to success is some kind of Kobe “I’m very public about the grind” way. That’s not the only path to success (ask Tim Duncan, whose resume stacks up nicely with Kobe’s).”

Though Duncan never went back-to-back. Kobe has a triple and 3 back-to-backs.

[Rummpd]

Though Duncan never went back-to-back. Kobe has a triple and 3 back-to-backs.


Figures Thread as a pure Faker homer would weigh in.

Lol Kobe love. First group of titles as a 2nd banana, never won back to back MVPs, lower winning percentage, most missed shots in NBA history, far lower PER, had years missing playoffs or low seed, coach killer, Shaq killer and on an on and most importantly, was a dishonor off the court. At best 12th-15th all time while Duncan easily in top 10.

[Thread]

Figures Thread as a pure Faker homer would weigh in.

Lol Kobe love. First group of titles as a 2nd banana, never won back to back MVPs, lower winning percentage, most missed shots in NBA history, far lower PER, had years missing playoffs or low seed, coach killer, Shaq killer and on an on and most importantly, was a dishonor off the court. At best 12th-15th all time while Duncan easily in top 10.

Though Duncan never went back-to-back. Kobe has a triple and 3 back-to-backs.

[Rummpd]

A joke intended to imply you are sport hungry. Already thinking 2023

I personally want to see Zion rebound. Bulls not resign Lavine and Lebron forced to see out what he signed up for.

Fair take not excited these finals.

[ambchang]

Though Duncan never went back-to-back. Kobe has a triple and 3 back-to-backs.

Sure was because of how public he showed his hardwork rather than having the best frontline in the league to cleanup his missed shots.

[Thread]

Sure was because of how public he showed his hardwork rather than having the best frontline in the league to cleanup his missed shots.

Bottom line:::Duncan never went back-to-back.

[ambchang]

Bottom line:::Duncan never went back-to-back.

Bottom line. Five rings are five rings.

[Rummpd]

Comparing gunning non efficient Kobe to high PER and all time winning percentage true great Duncan, is worthless as Kobe is a decent 12-15 range pseudo great while Duncan comfortably within top ten with a legit case for top 6 or so. Fakers fans give up a useless argument.

[ambchang]

Comparing gunning non efficient Kobe to high PER and all time winning percentage true great Duncan, is worthless as Kobe is a decent 12-15 range pseudo great while Duncan comfortably within top ten with a legit case for top 6 or so. Fakers fans give up a useless argument.

Most of Kobe’s career highs in advanced stats is comparable to Duncan’s …….. career average.

[Thread]

Bottom line. Five rings are five rings.

Infinitely.

But Duncan never repeated.
Kobe did.

[ambchang]

Infinitely.

But Duncan never repeated.
Kobe did.

Which means nothing. So I’m not sure why you are repeating it as it is.

[Thread]

Which means nothing. So I’m not sure why you are repeating it as it is.

Because I got the con in this instance. I'd let you off the hook, but then you'd shit in my face first chance you got and I'd regret my restraint.

I ask no quarter, I grant nary.

[ambchang]

Because I got the con in this instance. I'd let you off the hook, but then you'd shit in my face first chance you got and I'd regret my restraint.

I ask no quarter, I grant nary.
What did you get by repeating something that means nothing? Or we you saying it actually means something now?

[Thread]

What did you get by repeating something that means nothing? Or we you saying it actually means something now?

I'm saying that you want me to let you off the hook on Duncan not repeating. I'm saying if I did that you'd shit in my face, so, I won't let you off the hook. Duncan did not go back-to-back. Kobe did repeat and he tripled.

[The Gemini Method]

Will be interesting to see:

Where Ayton ends up?
Is Lavine in a different uni?
Will Simmons and or Harden be on their respective teams?
Spida Mitchell outro from Mormonville?
Is this the season they go from 82 games to 72 and begin implementation of the in-season tourney?
Will Darvin Ham help the Lakers not be trash a la Udoka has done with the C's?

[baseline bum]

Infinitely.

But Duncan never repeated.
Kobe did.

Duncan never went to the lottery.
Kobe threepeated the lottery.

[ambchang]

I'm saying that you want me to let you off the hook on Duncan not repeating. I'm saying if I did that you'd shit in my face, so, I won't let you off the hook. Duncan did not go back-to-back. Kobe did repeat and he tripled.

What hook? Make the playoffs win the last game. Nothing else.

[Thread]

What hook? Make the playoffs win the last game. Nothing else.

...

I'm a trend setter.
I set trends.

[Thread]

Duncan never went to the lottery.
Kobe threepeated the lottery.

...and three-peated the NBA Title as well.

Duncan didn't.

[baseline bum]

...and three-peated the NBA Title as well.

Duncan didn't.

Lottery threepeat was quite an accomplishment in LA. Don't think Duncan would have been capable. And certainly could have never snagged a prime lottery slot like Kobe.

[Thread]

Lottery threepeat was quite an accomplishment in LA. Don't think Duncan would have been capable. And certainly could have never snagged a prime lottery slot like Kobe.

Kobe three-peated though. Duncan couldn't even go back-to-back.

[baseline bum]

Kobe three-peated though. Duncan couldn't even go back-to-back.

Kobe lottery three-peated as well as a prime lottery appearance. Duncan couldn't even go for one.

[baseline bum]

Looks like I won the Giuseppe Rodeo with that Kobe lottery threepeat plus prime lottery appearance.

[Robz4000]

Looking forward to another season of Westchuck's Lakers tbh.

[ambchang]

...

I'm a trend setter.
I set trends.

Backtracking is going to be a trend then.

[Thread]

Looks like I won the Giuseppe Rodeo with that Kobe lottery threepeat plus prime lottery appearance.

Please.

[Thread]

Backtracking is going to be a trend then.

Never. Ever.
It's my religion.

[ambchang]

Never. Ever.
It's my religion.

You just did.

[Thread]

You just did.


Please.

[Robz4000]

Christian Wood to the Mavs.

[djohn2oo8]

God Mav fans think he makes them a contender :lol

[Dick Jones]

God Mav fans think he makes them a contender :lol
Mavs were in the WCF, they’re already a contender :lol

[Robz4000]

God Mav fans think he makes them a contender :lol

:lol him and Powell are literally the same kind of player

[djohn2oo8]

:lol him and Powell are literally the same kind of player
:lmao right

[djohn2oo8]

Mavs were in the WCF, they’re already a contender :lol
Clippers, Nuggets, Suns, Warriors all should be back and better. More competition.

[djohn2oo8]

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:lol

[Dick Jones]

:lol him and Powell are literally the same kind of player
Tell me you don’t watch the Mavs without telling me you don’t watch the Mavs :lol

[Robz4000]

Tell me you don’t watch the Mavs without telling me you don’t watch the Mavs :lol

:lol normally I'm with y'all but this is a poor move by the Mavs imo

[Dick Jones]

:lol normally I'm with y'all but this is a poor move by the Mavs imo
I’m just talking about the objectively wrong opinion that Wood & Powell are the same type of player. Wood has actual offensive skills and can shoot 3’s. Powell’s only NBA quality skill is catching lobs.

[Dick Jones]

1537242327961305088

:lmao

[Robz4000]

I’m just talking about the objectively wrong opinion that Wood & Powell are the same type of player. Wood has actual offensive skills and can shoot 3’s. Powell’s only NBA quality skill is catching lobs.

True, Wood is the better player in a vacuum but the Mavs will be regretting this move by December tbh. He can shoot the three unlike Powell but his "skills" are overblown. Not to mention he's somehow worse than Powell defensively and his history of off-court problems. If they didn't have to include the pick it'd be a worthwhile gamble since his contract is movable, but they could've gotten more value out of it imo.

[FrostKing]

Fair take not excited these finals.
Why is that? I proclaimed this Finale after Celtics took out Bucks. Labeled it a sexy defense vs offense and old vs young matchup.

I still think Boston will force Game7 on their floor.

[Neo.]

True, Wood is the better player in a vacuum but the Mavs will be regretting this move by December tbh. He can shoot the three unlike Powell but his "skills" are overblown. Not to mention he's somehow worse than Powell defensively and his history of off-court problems. If they didn't have to include the pick it'd be a worthwhile gamble since his contract is movable, but they could've gotten more value out of it imo.

keep in mind that wood (since he came into his own and received regular PT) has been on nothing but garbage teams with beyond atrocious defensive guards and wings. lets give him a chance on an actually quality team where he will get the easiest shots he will ever have in his career playing alongside luka, some quality defensive wings and a good defensive coach/system.

he may still end up failing monumentally, but it seems unfair to say hes worse than powell when he hasnt had anything close to a similar situation yet

[Thread]

I'm as nervous as a queer at a weiner roast over this game tonight. Too nervous to watch it. I'll check the score at just before 10PM local time here and get it that-a-way in 1 fell swoop.

[Robz4000]

Kenny Atkinson pulled a Josh McDaniels and backed out of becoming Charlotte's HC.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

First group of titles as a 2nd banana, never won back to back MVPs, lower winning percentage, most missed shots in NBA history, far lower PER, had years missing playoffs or low seed, coach killer, Shaq killer and on an on and most importantly, was a dishonor off the court. At best 12th-15th all time while Duncan easily in top 10.

the doctor is IN

[spursreport]

Clippers getting overhyped as the main threat to the Warriors already. Kawhi is injury prone and 31 years old. Paul George is 32 and injury prone. 2020 was their best shot.

[Killakobe81]

Clippers getting overhyped as the main threat to the Warriors already. Kawhi is injury prone and 31 years old. Paul George is 32 and injury prone. 2020 was their best shot.

I hope they make them favorites we see how much better they performed when expectations are low.
That being said they should be well rested they are well coached I don’t see a championship because, well they are the Clippers and they always gonna clip. But they won’t be an easy out.

[The Gemini Method]

I hope they make them favorites we see how much better they performed when expectations are low.
That being said they should be well rested they are well coached I don’t see a championship because, well they are the Clippers and they always gonna clip. But they won’t be an easy out. Will be interesting to see if PG or KL can complete a whole season (Playoffs included) without injury. I think that's the bane for both L.A. teams, health and well, for us what is the team going to be compose of in 2022-2023.

[lefty20]

John Wall to Clips for basically nothing.

While it's better than the Lakers trading for WB, it's still not a great fit since Wall can't shoot. Playmaking should help though.

[Robz4000]

John Wall to Clips for basically nothing.

While it's better than the Lakers trading for WB, it's still not a great fit since Wall can't shoot. Playmaking should help though.

IIRC, the last season he played his 3pt% raised to like 37%. Problem is he's lost a lot of his athleticism.

[monosylab1k]

Brunson to the Knicks is pretty much a done deal. So that sucks, although they’re just throwing stupid money at him.

At the very least it will help clear up cap space in the next couple years, so Dallas can whiff on another big free agent.

[baseline bum]

Brunson to the Knicks is pretty much a done deal. So that sucks, although they’re just throwing stupid money at him.

At the very least it will help clear up cap space in the next couple years, so Dallas can whiff on another big free agent.

I don't get wanting to leave a good team for the Knicks unless Cuban isn't going to pay him or something. WTF is going on here?

[Neo.]

not like they would be lacking too much offense anyways, with dinwiddie getting more integrated into the system, as well as THJ coming back

and it should free up more touches to see what wood is made of, as well as an opportunity for hardy to prove if hes any good

hate to lose him but it shouldnt break the team either

[Neo.]

lol timvp why is editing posts disabled now?

[Neo.]

and everything seems to strongly point to dragic signing with dallas too, so that should help fill the gap a bit too

[monosylab1k]

I don't get wanting to leave a good team for the Knicks unless Cuban isn't going to pay him or something. WTF is going on here?

Word is they’d have to do better than match the Knicks offer + give the extra year to keep him. Honestly giving Brunson almost $30 mil for the next five years is kinda crazy, so I don’t know that I blame Cuban for passing on it. Brunson is really good but he’s nowhere near worth that.

Also it seems pretty obvious they’re going to try again at luring a big free agent in a couple years, hoping now they’ll have a chance with Nico instead of creepy uncle Donnie. Stupid plan, but whatever.

[monosylab1k]

Also Brunson wants to run the show on his own team, and not play off-ball with Luka. I guess they forgot to tell him about RJ Barrett and point-forward Randle?

[Texas_Ranger]

best thing about this offseason is all these retarded players arguing with the retarded ''analysts''. It really is like watching cripples fight.

[Isitjustme?]

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[Texas_Ranger]

Also Brunson wants to run the show on his own team, and not play off-ball with Luka. I guess they forgot to tell him about RJ Barrett and point-forward Randle?

i see lots of ''Luka dont share the ball'' posts on the internet again... Even tho Brunson had more usage than Jaylen Brown. Also, when Luka and Brunson are on the floor together, Brunson has more ball than when Luka is out... Anyhow, its good that the Knicks are retarded, cause Brunson is not worth big money anyway. No team is gonna win shit with him as a second option... Probably not even 3rd.

[Killakobe81]

i see lots of ''Luka dont share the ball'' posts on the internet again... Even tho Brunson had more usage than Jaylen Brown. Also, when Luka and Brunson are on the floor together, Brunson has more ball than when Luka is out... Anyhow, its good that the Knicks are retarded, cause Brunson is not worth big money anyway. No team is gonna win shit with him as a second option... Probably not even 3rd.

Made same exact arguments on Twitter.
Mavs need a Jaylen Brown Andrew Wiggins type as #2
If Brunson stayed on a fair deal as the #3 they would have a title Shit but not be favored

[monosylab1k]

i see lots of ''Luka dont share the ball'' posts on the internet again... Even tho Brunson had more usage than Jaylen Brown. Also, when Luka and Brunson are on the floor together, Brunson has more ball than when Luka is out... Anyhow, its good that the Knicks are retarded, cause Brunson is not worth big money anyway. No team is gonna win shit with him as a second option... Probably not even 3rd.

He’s not worth the money, but also losing your best non-Luka asset for nothing is an absolute killer. And NY has no incentive to do a s&t because they have the Dallas pick next year, it’s in their best interest for the Mavs to be as bad as possible.

This is going to end poorly for everyone tbh. Dallas loses their 2nd best asset and get nothing in return, NY wildly overpays for a solid but non All-Star level player, and Brunson gets exposed playing in a terrible system without Luka.

[Texas_Ranger]

Dallas needs a second star. So even a snt with Brunson would not get u that... next seaon they are probably gonna be a first round exit team and then if Luka dont get any help in offseason he will want out. He will have enough of losing.

[monosylab1k]

Dallas needs a second star. So even a snt with Brunson would not get u that... next seaon they are probably gonna be a first round exit team and then if Luka dont get any help in offseason he will want out. He will have enough of losing.
They aren’t luring a second star in free agency, because nobody wants to play in Dallas. Their best shot is to trade for one, and to do that you need assets. Losing your second best asset for nothing makes it harder to get a second star.

[monosylab1k]

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[Texas_Ranger]

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this looks like a joke, but so is Dallas front office, so wouldnt surprise me if they did something so stupid.

[Texas_Ranger]

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542629076179075073

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542629092947894272

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542629132718247938

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542629301220171777

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542629238779641857

[jeebus]

Lakers signing one of the dumbest basketball players on the planet in Lonnie Walker

https://i.imgur.com/ik31Kd3.gif

[Killakobe81]

In what world is paying Zach Lavine (Bruin pride!) 215 million make any kind of sense.
And if one more person tells me “going rate” I’m gonna punch my wfh monitor.
Paying fringe all stars this type of money is crazy. How can you win a title like this?
Maybe if he is your third best player like Wiggins was for state maybe but if he is your first or second best player you not winning shit. And who else was gonna pay him $215?!

[baseline bum]

In what world is paying Zach Lavine (Bruin pride!) 215 million make any kind of sense.
And if one more person tells me “going rate” I’m gonna punch my wfh monitor.
Paying fringe all stars this type of money is crazy. How can you win a title like this?
Maybe if he is your third best player like Wiggins was for state maybe but if he is your first or second best player you not winning shit. And who else was gonna pay him $215?!

Going rate

[Isitjustme?]

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[FlAVaK]

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Speaking of Windfart Memes:


No news here.

But it is too good to be missed here at ST:

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[Isitjustme?]

Speaking of Windfart Memes:

Lmfao

[Texas_Ranger]

Harden taking a 15M paycut... respect.

[Dirks_Finale]

The Jordan/Zeke feud carries on.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/isiah-thomas-re-ignites-michael-jordan-beef-stop-lying/
Been hearing this ish for decades now. Watched the 85 all star game to draw my own conclusion, and I hate to say it, but the GOAT is lying :lol Thomas passed it to him several times. Jordan just wasn't hitting and he was a rookie at that time. MJ can not expect 20 shots in the all star game as a rookie.

[Rummpd]

Harden taking a 15M paycut... respect.


He should take more with his abysmal play and history of choking in big games but got to pay the strip club girls on a nightly basis.

[LkrFan]

Ayton wants to sign offer sheet with the Pacers. Will the Sons match?

[Thread]

Ayton wants to sign offer sheet with the Pacers. Will the Sons match?

...yes, and within 3 minutes. After they'd called him everything but a black person for the past 9 months. Here's the pertinent article from today. Note the very first line. tee, hee.

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The Phoenix Suns messed around and found out.

Last October, they did not give 23-year-old franchise center Deandre Ayton the five-year, $172.5 million max contract extension he wanted, thus making him a restricted free agent this summer. And after Ayton agreed to a four-year, $133 million offer sheet with the Indiana Pacers on Thursday, that decision is screwing them over on multiple fronts we couldn’t have imagined at the time.




As I wrote back then, not paying Ayton added unnecessary unease (https://arizonasports.com/story/2856972/phoenix-suns-add-unnecessary-unease-with-no-deandre-ayton-extension/). While it was debatable whether or not Ayton deserved the max (and I thought he did), the only logical benefit to not signing him to that deal was less money on the books. This is the reality of operating as a team over the cap, and Phoenix is now in a position where it has to match the offer sheet to not lose Ayton for nothing.
We are learning right now why this ties up the Suns so much beyond the hand-wringing process of restricted free agency and why it was foolish not to just sign him to the max, even if they believed he wasn’t worth it.




To establish the obvious, they have hesitations about Ayton. They made a point of that when they didn’t agree to terms with him last fall. So, if Phoenix had hesitations, it could have simply signed Ayton to maintain maximum flexibility and see how the next season played out. It is a different version of the reality it chose, anyway.

If those hesitations only grew stronger, the Suns could more than easily find a trade market for arguably a top-five player at his position with plenty of potential still left to tap into (and get a much better return than a sign-and-trade). If Ayton’s performance made the hesitations far weaker, great, you’ve got the center you wanted Ayton to be.




Instead, the Suns threw themselves into a position where the value of dealing Ayton would take a significant hit in sign-and-trades.
Or, in the unforeseeable portion of our ride, they take a massive blow in trade negotiations for a superstar that would like to come to Phoenix.
That is, rightfully so, the initial reaction to Ayton’s offer sheet. His future with the Suns seemed over, and even more so after news broke that Kevin Durant asked to be traded from the Brooklyn Nets.
Reports would follow in the news cycle that Brooklyn was not interested in Ayton, but Ayton being re-routed to another team and that team providing the assets to push a Durant trade over the top felt necessary.
That is speaking from a value standpoint. But also from a money standpoint now when we try and hypothetically come up with a trade not involving Ayton.
If Durant’s preference for Phoenix is strong enough to push a deal over the line even when the Suns don’t have the best offer, that means they would either have to 1) get lucky with a three/four-team deal filling in salaries or 2) gut their roster in the way general manager James Jones does not want to do.
On top of Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson absolutely having to be in there, important names either in next year’s rotation or in trades to fill other roster needs like Jae Crowder, Dario Saric and Landry Shamet will have to feature more prominently in the discussion.




And, to go back to value, no more trying to get fewer first-round picks or pick swaps than the max allotment. That seems out the window, and again, would make it more difficult to acquire another ball-handler.
If the Ayton offer sheet is matched and Durant is brought in, Phoenix would likely be paying one of the highest luxury tax bills next season. Arizona Sports’ (https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/1547678314256420867) John Gambadoro reports the Suns would (https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/1547678314256420867) be willing to do that. A lack of past precedent produces skepticism.
The only other logical strand off not maxing Ayton was avoiding having the maximum of two max designated rookie-scale-contract players so they could potentially acquire one on the trade market if the opportunity arose. That was always a pipe dream, and in hindsight, the thinking was for different reasons.
As we’ve learned with the Durant sweepstakes, Ben Simmons’ max contract in Brooklyn makes things more difficult because teams cannot trade for two of those players. Ayton on that deal would have crossed him off ball clubs like the Nets with one of those guys they’ve acquired already. Sure, that makes sense. I highly doubt, though, that it would have greatly restricted Phoenix’s ability to trade Ayton.




Ever since head coach Monty Wiliams said after the Suns were eliminated that a back-and-forth with Ayton was “internal,” the penmanship for the writing on the wall regarding Ayton’s uncertain future improved.
And yet, we were always accepting the possibility that Ayton could be back. So, if he is, now what?
Ayton should be pissed there was a lack of commitment from his team that has been multiplied since extension talks. Ayton handled it very well last year with the media, speaking with a high level of professionalism and producing hardly any quotable angst on the situation.
But if he was upset and is even more this upcoming season, will it affect the chemistry of a group that gets an immeasurable boost from being such a tight bunch?
For as much as the chance of “running it back” induces eye rolls from some of the fanbase, a slightly tweaked version of last year’s roster is still a really good basketball team that could win a championship. It would not be the favorite. It would, however, be in the running. There is a lot at stake.
The title window is still open. Having Chris Paul at the age of 37 encourages a now-or-never mentality on that window.





The Phoenix Suns messed around and found out.

Last October, they did not give 23-year-old franchise center Deandre Ayton the five-year, $172.5 million max contract extension he wanted, thus making him a restricted free agent this summer. And after Ayton agreed to a four-year, $133 million offer sheet with the Indiana Pacers on Thursday, that decision is screwing them over on multiple fronts we couldn’t have imagined at the time.

As I wrote back then, not paying Ayton added unnecessary unease (https://arizonasports.com/story/2856972/phoenix-suns-add-unnecessary-unease-with-no-deandre-ayton-extension/)
. While it was debatable whether or not Ayton deserved the max (and I thought he did), the only logical benefit to not signing him to that deal was less money on the books. This is the reality of operating as a team over the cap, and Phoenix is now in a position where it has to match the offer sheet to not lose Ayton for nothing.


We are learning right now why this ties up the Suns so much beyond the hand-wringing process of restricted free agency and why it was foolish not to just sign him to the max, even if they believed he wasn’t worth it.




To establish the obvious, they have hesitations about Ayton. They made a point of that when they didn’t agree to terms with him last fall. So, if Phoenix had hesitations, it could have simply signed Ayton to maintain maximum flexibility and see how the next season played out. It is a different version of the reality it chose, anyway.

If those hesitations only grew stronger, the Suns could more than easily find a trade market for arguably a top-five player at his position with plenty of potential still left to tap into (and get a much better return than a sign-and-trade). If Ayton’s performance made the hesitations far weaker, great, you’ve got the center you wanted Ayton to be.


Instead, the Suns threw themselves into a position where the value of dealing Ayton would take a significant hit in sign-and-trades.


Or, in the unforeseeable portion of our ride, they take a massive blow in trade negotiations for a superstar that would like to come to Phoenix.
That is, rightfully so, the initial reaction to Ayton’s offer sheet. His future with the Suns seemed over, and even more so after news broke that Kevin Durant asked to be traded from the Brooklyn Nets.

Reports would follow in the news cycle that Brooklyn was not interested in Ayton, but Ayton being re-routed to another team and that team providing the assets to push a Durant trade over the top felt necessary.

That is speaking from a value standpoint. But also from a money standpoint now when we try and hypothetically come up with a trade not involving Ayton.
If Durant’s preference for Phoenix is strong enough to push a deal over the line even when the Suns don’t have the best offer, that means they would either have to 1) get lucky with a three/four-team deal filling in salaries or 2) gut their roster in the way general manager James Jones does not want to do.

On top of Mikal Bridges and Cam Johnson absolutely having to be in there, important names either in next year’s rotation or in trades to fill other roster needs like Jae Crowder, Dario Saric and Landry Shamet will have to feature more prominently in the discussion.


And, to go back to value, no more trying to get fewer first-round picks or pick swaps than the max allotment. That seems out the window, and again, would make it more difficult to acquire another ball-handler.


If the Ayton offer sheet is matched and Durant is brought in, Phoenix would likely be paying one of the highest luxury tax bills next season. Arizona Sports’ (https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/1547678314256420867) John Gambadoro reports the Suns would (https://twitter.com/Gambo987/status/1547678314256420867) be willing to do that. A lack of past precedent produces skepticism.

The only other logical strand off not maxing Ayton was avoiding having the maximum of two max designated rookie-scale-contract players so they could potentially acquire one on the trade market if the opportunity arose. That was always a pipe dream, and in hindsight, the thinking was for different reasons.

As we’ve learned with the Durant sweepstakes, Ben Simmons’ max contract in Brooklyn makes things more difficult because teams cannot trade for two of those players. Ayton on that deal would have crossed him off ball clubs like the Nets with one of those guys they’ve acquired already. Sure, that makes sense. I highly doubt, though, that it would have greatly restricted Phoenix’s ability to trade Ayton.


Ever since head coach Monty Wiliams said after the Suns were eliminated that a back-and-forth with Ayton was “internal,” the penmanship for the writing on the wall regarding Ayton’s uncertain future improved.


And yet, we were always accepting the possibility that Ayton could be back. So, if he is, now what?

Ayton should be pissed there was a lack of commitment from his team that has been multiplied since extension talks. Ayton handled it very well last year with the media, speaking with a high level of professionalism and producing hardly any quotable angst on the situation.

But if he was upset and is even more this upcoming season, will it affect the chemistry of a group that gets an immeasurable boost from being such a tight bunch?
For as much as the chance of “running it back” induces eye rolls from some of the fanbase, a slightly tweaked version of last year’s roster is still a really good basketball team that could win a championship. It would not be the favorite. It would, however, be in the running. There is a lot at stake.
The title window is still open. Having Chris Paul at the age of 37 encourages a now-or-never mentality on that window.

[Thread]

BOSTON CELTICS (https://www.foxnews.com/category/sports/nba/boston-celtics)
Published July 16, 2022 9:07am EDT


LeBron James rips Celtics fans: 'They racist as fuck.'

Celtics fans riled up Warriors players during the NBA Finals.

(https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/lebron-james)

LeBron James (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/lebron-james) may have an investment in the Boston Red Sox, but that doesn’t mean he likes all of the city’s sports teams.James was talking about his least favorite cities to play in during the latest episode of his show on HBO, "The Shop." James’ business partner Maverick Carter mentioned during the conversation there were places where fans "can literally take the game from you." The Los Angeles Lakers superstar (https://www.foxnews.com/category/sports/nba/los-angeles-lakers) mentioned Boston was one of those places.

The show’s co-creator Paul Rivera asked James why he hated Boston."Because they racist as fuck, that’s why," he said. "They will say anything, and it’s fine. I mean, fuck, it’s my wife, she’s been dealing with them her whole life. I don't mind it. I hear it, if I hear someone close by, I check them real quick. I move onto the game, whatever the fuck. They going to say whatever the fuck they want to say. They might throw something. I got a beer thrown on me leaving a game."

~~~~~~~~~

Shut the fuck up, & just fuckin' dribble!!!

[baseline bum]

LOL culburn's white nationalism trumps his Lakers fandom and hate for the Celtics. No surprise.

[Rummpd]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34262574/san-antonio-spurs-rookie-jeremy-sochan-not-intending-being-disrespectful-russell-westbrook-bricks-response

LOL

[Texas_Ranger]

Thank god Udonis Haslem is coming back for the 20th season. This joke of a player has been stealing money for the past 5 years.

[Texas_Ranger]

There’s fear Oklahoma City Thunder No. 2 pick Chet Holmgren has suffered ligament damage in his foot and he is undergoing further opinions.


wow, a skinny tall guy already injured. i am shocked

[lefty20]

1562641398263738368

Russ better watch out for that knee during practice.

[Robz4000]

1562641398263738368

Russ better watch out for that knee during practice.

:lmao LkrFan get in here Ernesto!!

[InRareForm]

I thought tht was untradeable :Lol

[Robz4000]

1504267146347618306

[LkrFan]

:lmao LkrFan get in here Ernesto!!

:lol

https://media0.giphy.com/media/2vnGKKcWGn1kiFjjKv/200w.gif?cid=82a1493bp4rnqqt15gh0xi5sz9ptd8cqfkamc phtthktw5e6&rid=200w.gif&ct=g

We here s:loln

[LkrFan]

1504267146347618306

Delete this s:loln

[InRareForm]

I can't wait for the clippers Lakers matchups

[Isitjustme?]

THT was so shit they was lucky to get Patrick Beverley for 'em :lmao

[Robz4000]

THT was so shit they was lucky to get Patrick Beverley for 'em :lmao

Anyone who thought of him as a true young asset was either retarded or trolling tbh.

[Darth_Pelican]

RIP Chet Holmgren

[lefty]

RIP Chet Holmgren
Sonics fans right now :

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AchingEmptyGallinule-max-1mb.gif

[daboom1]

Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin were both injured their first season, and came back to win ROTY. Embiid missed a couple of seasons I believe.

[MultiTroll]

Gallinari out with torn meniscus.

Playing in Italy.

[Killakobe81]

Ben Simmons and Blake Griffin were both injured their first season, and came back to win ROTY. Embiid missed a couple of seasons I believe.

Yup but neither were twigs …
Unfortunate. Not rooting against kid …
But I’m very skeptical I hope he proves me wrong very skilled,
but I think this maybe one of those “if he could only stay healthy types”
He the bizarro Zion Williamson

[MultiTroll]

Chet didn't play intelligently as far as avoiding injury.

Wanted to show he belonged and get a block on Lebron.

Way out of position. Just let that shit go, like a QB taking a sack in a preseason game.

[daboom1]

Yup but neither were twigs …
Unfortunate. Not rooting against kid …
But I’m very skeptical I joke he proves me wrong very skilled,
but I think this maybe one of those “if he could only stay healthy types”
He the bizarro Zion Williamson

He's got plenty of time to get in "NBA shape" now. Was he injury prone in college?

[LkrFan]

Donovan Mitchell removed the Jazz from his bio. Let's hope the Lakers are part of a 4-team deal sons :tu

[KingKev]

Donovan Mitchell removed the Jazz from his bio. Let's hope the Lakers are part of a 4-team deal sons :tu

AD, 2027, 2029 unprotected FRPs, Russ for Mitchell and Conley seems
fair.

[LkrFan]

AD, 2027, 2029 unprotected FRPs, Russ for Mitchell and Conley seems
fair.

Yeah, but the Jazz would be overpaying :lol

[MultiTroll]

:lol todays NBA phaggot media

I clicked. It's f-ing Gallinari.


BREAKING: Boston Celtics Star Diagnosed With Torn ACL


Ben Stinar - Yesterday 9:08 AM

[Shaliq]

Gallinari out with torn meniscus.

Playing in Italy.
Wow, torn meniscus and still playinig.... Some Rambo mojo right there.

[MultiTroll]

Frauden look in shape?

Actuallyl made some shots tonight.

[MultiTroll]

Pride Parade currently on.

Lakers with comeback vs Bay Area.

China Doll had an impressive steal of a Curry cross court pass attempt. Then an equally impressive gazzelle like prance to the hoop for the 2+1.

[MultiTroll]

WarriorRef continues the stomach churning crap in 2022-23 if that is any help.

I turned it over. Mainly wanted to see if Lebron was still in shape (yes very) how China Doll looked (very good) and Westchuck. Westchuck was good in the 1st qtr.
Right before i turned it off he had an airball trey that wasn't even close.

[MultiTroll]

Suns over Dallas at the buzer thanks to 4 pivot steps being allowed to Lee.

FFS.

Next we have Doncic refusing to pass to Finey-Smith who is open by literally 12 feet for a wide open trey.
Doncic instead doing some goofy off balance trey chuck for the brick.
All when Dallas only needed 2 to tie.

[horseshue]

Suns over Dallas at the buzer thanks to 4 pivot steps being allowed to Lee.

FFS.

Next we have Doncic refusing to pass to Finey-Smith who is open by literally 12 feet for a wide open trey.
Doncic instead doing some goofy off balance trey chuck for the brick.
All when Dallas only needed 2 to tie.

Ego ir huge for that boy.

[lefty]

The Jazz are fun to watch tbh

They are playing like they have nothing to lose, lot of energy

[ambchang]

The Jazz are fun to watch tbh

They are playing like they have nothing to lose, lot of energy

But they do. The #1/#2 pick.

[lefty]

But they do. The #1/#2 pick.

Jazz FO must not be happy lol

[140]

The Jazz are fun to watch tbh

They are playing like they have nothing to lose, lot of energy

they are playing like they wanna get the fuck out of utah asap tbh :lol

[Rummpd]

Three NBA lessons so far:

1. Lakers stink per expectations with empty stats by James and Davis so far.
2. Spurs cannot even tank well
3. Zion is back

[lefty]

they are playing like they wanna get the fuck out of utah asap tbh :lol
:lmao

[MultiTroll]

While Ben Simmons is an annual candidate for Most Massive Phaggot in NBA, this call is some straight up bullshit:

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=34873207

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=34873207

[lefty20]

1585038187801776128

I'm sure its nothing.

[lefty]

:lol Kidd

[DAF86]

1585038187801776128

I'm sure its nothing.

Kawhi being practically an ex-player now, made the Kawhi trade a lot more tolerable, tbh.

[MultiTroll]

Hardkowre street fightin almost be brakin out las night.

Klay Thompson and Devin Bookerdashian.

Shudders.

[lefty]

Hardkowre street fightin almost be brakin out las night.

Klay Thompson and Devin Bookerdashian.

Shudders.

Fuck those referees, they ruined the game

Let players jaw at each other

[MultiTroll]

Fuck those referees, they ruined

Let players jaw at each other
Yes but given both of their hardkowre gangsta backgrounds, can you really let Klanus and Kardashian goes at it?

[MultiTroll]

Truthfully i'd love to have seen Booker slap Klanus silly.

[MultiTroll]

Ham doubling down on Westbrick starting.

FFS the clownshow continues. Incoming rigged trade in 4 3 2 1....

[ambchang]

Ham doubling down on Westbrick starting.

FFS the clownshow continues. Incoming rigged trade in 4 3 2 1....

Most teams get value by showcasing players to show the other teams how good the player is. Lakers showcase how bad they are to tell the league to do something about it.

[Rummpd]

+/- on Ham as HC of the Fakers is about 2 months as LeGM will throw him under the bus shortly if they keep losing.

[Mark Celibate]

I was hoping Dallas would emphasize faster ball movement around the perimeter more this season and giving everyone touches early in the shot clock but so far it looks like that hasn't happened. That was one of their several undoings last postseason. I admit, I like watching highlights of Doncic's playground style of embarrassing the defender while him and the bench get excited and hit the 'stanky leg' in celebration. But over the course of 48 minutes, it's still a boring/exhausting brand of basketball to take part of him as a role player IMO. Even when Doncic does pass it, still way too many possessions where he's having to give it up at the last second after holding it for 20 seconds leading to a player to force up a bad shot out of rhythm.

[lefty]

Mavs ball is terrible
Tempo is slow too

[ambchang]

Doncic is going for that MVP. Whenever he’s on the court, he either scores or assists. When he’s not, it’s dinwiddie. It reminds me of the d’antoni offence in some ways, just not as fast paced.

It may work in the regular season but in the postseason, smarter teams will game plan that and shut that offence down.

[Killakobe81]

Doncic is going for that MVP. Whenever he’s on the court, he either scores or assists. When he’s not, it’s dinwiddie. It reminds me of the d’antoni offence in some ways, just not as fast paced.

It may work in the regular season but in the postseason, smarter teams will game plan that and shut that offence down.

Fair Amb …
But you was hating on the Bird comparison….
Did not that overhead pass he threw to Kleber have just some shades of Larry Legend?!
I get Bird was a monster in a more competitive era and a more willing passer, and his game is more dribble heavy like Harden … but come on, when he wants to he has some Bird style passes. At this point anyone that saw Bird and see no similarity I think you full of shit.

[Rummpd]

The amazing thing is Luka did this with supposed great defender Simmons or other Nets draped around him a lot. If somehow Mavs could get another shooter watch out. Either way right now Luka has to be the MVP out of the gate.

[lefty]

The amazing thing is Luka did this with supposed great defender Simmons or other Nets draped around him a lot. If somehow Mavs could get another shooter watch out. Either way right now Luka has to be the MVP out of the gate.
NEts defense was lazy and terrible

Multiple instances of Doncinc posting up midgets, no help, terrible switching

[Monostradamus]

Doncic is going for that MVP. Whenever he’s on the court, he either scores or assists. When he’s not, it’s dinwiddie. It reminds me of the d’antoni offence in some ways, just not as fast paced.

It may work in the regular season but in the postseason, smarter teams will game plan that and shut that offence down.

It’s a tough thing where his supporting cast is so limited in skillset that he’s forced to play this heliocentric style to win, but also everyone knows it will fail at some point in the playoffs. It’s simultaneously their best shot at winning, and a guarantee that they won’t ever win a title.

Also there’s a legitimate question of whether he’d actually change his style up if they got a true #2 star. If he wants a ring, he has to change, but will his ego let him relinquish some control of the game?

[Monostradamus]

Fair Amb …
But you was hating on the Bird comparison….
Did not that overhead pass he threw to Kleber have just some shades of Larry Legend?!
I get Bird was a monster in a more competitive era and a more willing passer, and his game is more dribble heavy like Harden … but come on, when he wants to he has some Bird style passes. At this point anyone that saw Bird and see no similarity I think you full of shit.
Just because he makes a Bird-like pass doesn’t mean you can blindly compare him as a player to Bird. Every time Franz Wagner hits a 3 would you say he has shades of Steph Curry?

[ambchang]

Fair Amb …
But you was hating on the Bird comparison….
Did not that overhead pass he threw to Kleber have just some shades of Larry Legend?!
I get Bird was a monster in a more competitive era and a more willing passer, and his game is more dribble heavy like Harden … but come on, when he wants to he has some Bird style passes. At this point anyone that saw Bird and see no similarity I think you full of shit.

I don’t think I said no similarities, I just think harden was a way better comparison.

Don’t get me wrong, I love doncic. I think he could be better than dirk or bird if he keeps it up. He just can’t be stopped sometimes and he does step up in the postseason, unlike harden.

I get where you’re getting the bird comparisons but I always thought that if doncic was black, nobody would bring up bird and he’d be compared to magic with scoring or harden with a better ceiling.

[ambchang]

It’s a tough thing where his supporting cast is so limited in skillset that he’s forced to play this heliocentric style to win, but also everyone knows it will fail at some point in the playoffs. It’s simultaneously their best shot at winning, and a guarantee that they won’t ever win a title.

Also there’s a legitimate question of whether he’d actually change his style up if they got a true #2 star. If he wants a ring, he has to change, but will his ego let him relinquish some control of the game?

100% agree. The team is not well constructed to his strengths.

Tough to get a number two for him though as he would likely require a tough interior defender who can pass and shoot. Him and bam would be incredible, but there aren’t too many bam like players out there (and bam can’t shoot).

If the spurs get the number 1 or 2 pick this year, I’d trade it for doncic in a heartbeat but I’m sure Mavs won’t do it.

[lefty]

Just because he makes a Bird-like pass doesn’t mean you can blindly compare him as a player to Bird. Every time Franz Wagner hits a 3 would you say he has shades of Steph Curry?
Actually Jokic is the one who reminds of Bird when it comes passing, not Luka

[Killakobe81]

Just because he makes a Bird-like pass doesn’t mean you can blindly compare him as a player to Bird. Every time Franz Wagner hits a 3 would you say he has shades of Steph Curry?

Never did it blindly … I’m 40 plus I saw Bird and Magic. I did not choose Bird simply because they are both white. Luka is a more aggressive scorer than Johnson more like MVP era Bird still a brilliant passer when he wants. I think Bird was the better shooter (obviously) and he scared me more in the clutch than Luka has so far … but Luka may be more skilled than either of those guys. I wish he dribbled less and passed a but more because that is the part of his game outside of the whining that I don’t like about his game.
But outside of the occasional overhead passes Luka’s ability to get to his spots at Will against guys bigger stronger faster is where I see the most of Birds imprint on his game. Sure I could choose dantley bernard king or alex English as not extremely quick guys that could get buckets to make a similar point but Bird (and Luka) is much better than those guys and most guys 30 and under don’t know who the fuck those guys are.
Oh and I hate Harden … I see that comp too I just hate the part of his game that resembles it most.

[Killakobe81]

Actually Jokic is the one who reminds of Bird when it comes passing, not Luka

Jokic does as well I won’t lie … see it more often because he doesn’t pound the rock like Luka …but the pass the other night was more Bird like than most of the passes either guy have made. Again Rick Carlisle a guy that played with Bird has made the comp and he is white … is he being lazy with the comparison? Racist? Not sure why people find it so hard to accept? Works for RC works for me too

[Chris Fall]

Bird wasn't so ball dominant. His passing came more through the natural flow of the offense. Luka has the ball so much that his passing is often a product of the defense focusing in on him so much. He's a great passer regardless, but I don't think of Bird when he makes a good pass.

I think of LeBron much more when comparing Luka to anybody. His natural talent to score is why entire defenses focus and collapse in on him, which opens up passing lanes for teammates. Both ball dominant. Both bigger, taller ball handlers. Both strong towards the basket. The difference is LeBron is more explosive athletically and Luka has more perimeter finesse with his shot making ability. I think LeBron is a better comparison for Luka than Bird.

As for Jokic, I've never seen anyone like him before. Ever. Transition game has some similarities to Magic. But really only bc he rebounds, pushes the ball, and shows a lot of creativity with his transition passing. In the halfcourt set, he's not like Magic. He's not like anyone. Post game has some Hakeem, floater like Tony Parker, midrange consistency like Malone, all while game and clock managing like CP3. He isn't like any one player. Truly a one of one.

[Killakobe81]

Bird wasn't so ball dominant. His passing came more through the natural flow of the offense. Luka has the ball so much that his passing is often a product of the defense focusing in on him so much. He's a great passer regardless, but I don't think of Bird when he makes a good pass.

I think of LeBron much more when comparing Luka to anybody. His natural talent to score is why entire defenses focus and collapse in on him, which opens up passing lanes for teammates. Both ball dominant. Both bigger, taller ball handlers. Both strong towards the basket. The difference is LeBron is more explosive athletically and Luka has more perimeter finesse with his shot making ability. I think LeBron is a better comparison for Luka than Bird.

As for Jokic, I've never seen anyone like him before. Ever. Transition game has some similarities to Magic. But really only bc he rebounds, pushes the ball, and shows a lot of creativity with his transition passing. In the halfcourt set, he's not like Magic. He's not like anyone. Post game has some Hakeem, floater like Tony Parker, midrange consistency like Malone, all while game and clock managing like CP3. He isn't like any one player. Truly a one of one.

All great points and don’t disagree minus the athleticism but lama has a better touch than Bron - like a Bird Jokic or even Steph. At the end of the day there is no perfect comp. I never said they were identical in anyway. I said some plays and the way they get to their spots reminded me of bird. Jokic plays more like bird sure but is much slower. Luka has that game speed like Bird. They fool you by being quicker than you thought … but I have said my peace …that pass the other night I had flashbacks to Bird on the Celtics. I did not think of anyone else … most of the time I see a better Harden.

[MultiTroll]

Whew, it was just an expression.

“For Brook to come out, it just kind of energized the whole team.” - Mike Budenholzer praises Brook Lopez

[MultiTroll]

Awesome Xs 2 last minutes of 4th qtr.

Bulls come back to beat the Nets.
Miami comes back to beat the Golden Phaggots.

[Texas_Ranger]

This dallas team is horrible. I wont be surprised if they end up in those play in spots.

[MultiTroll]

Orlando 130 Golden Phaggots 129.

Must see TV is you hate Golden Phags, WarriorRef and that entire shitpile organization.
Got to see the last 5 minutes.

Jalen Suggs kicked Stephies ass.

[Rummpd]

Golden State paper champs some bookies have them barely making playoffs. Love to see them miss them.

[mystargtr34]

Luka Dahmering the Raptors length.

[lefty20]

1589428197665673216

Still cant wipe his own arse

[mystargtr34]

1589428197665673216

Still cant wipe his own arse

Sounds like an uncle Dennis approved tweet.

[Texas_Ranger]

Doncic will kill Kidd if he will keep playing McGee.

[Mr. Body]

Doncic will kill Kidd if he will keep playing McGee.

Doncic is a psycho and will want to kill any coach he has.

[Mr. Body]

Warriors nearly lost to Kings at home. Were down like 15 at half or something. Without Curry going HAM they look terrible.

[horseshue]

Cavs meltdown against flippers must be the worst of the season so far.

[mystargtr34]

Doncic will kill Kidd if he will keep playing McGee.

Yeah he needs to swap McGee with Powell in the SL. Powell is way more mobile on D and a better lob threat and screener on O. McGee looks washed, should be used in spot minutes driven by matchups.

Wood off the bench is still the best fit. Green needs to play more. Dinwiddie running the second unit the Mavs 9-rotation should look like this. Hardy can step in when/if he’s ready later this season for more scoring punch.

Doncic
Dinwiddie/Hardaway
Bullock/Green
DFS/Kleber
Powell/Wood

[Texas_Ranger]

Yeah he needs to swap McGee with Powell in the SL. Powell is way more mobile on D and a better lob threat and screener on O. McGee looks washed, should be used in spot minutes driven by matchups.

Wood off the bench is still the best fit. Green needs to play more. Dinwiddie running the second unit the Mavs 9-rotation should look like this. Hardy can step in when/if he’s ready later this season for more scoring punch.

Doncic
Dinwiddie/Hardaway
Bullock/Green
DFS/Kleber
Powell/Wood

Agree with everything, but damn, that team looks so shit. Its Luka's 5th year and his best center for that time has been Dwight Powell, while the best second option was mostly Hardaway Jr, other than last year Brunson and Porzingis when he wasn't injured.

[lefty20]

Warriors nearly lost to Kings at home. Were down like 15 at half or something. Without Curry going HAM they look terrible.

1589852709502746624

Curry going HAM wasn't gonna be enough, they also needed Refs going full 2002 to eek out that W.

[MultiTroll]

Potatoe Head was ok with it when he was a Golden Phaggot tho?
NBA confirms missed foul call on Klay Thompson in Warriors' win (espn.com) (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34981336/nba-confirms-missed-foul-call-klay-thompson-warriors-win)


1589852709502746624

Curry going HAM wasn't gonna be enough, they also needed Refs going full 2002 to eek out that W.

[MultiTroll]

End of Bucks - OKC regulation.
What a low BBIQ dumb f convention. :rollin

Ahead by 2 when the ONLY thing that can beat you is a trey.....enter Pop coaching tree Bud.

Then OKC returns the favor by fouling the shooter on a 0.5 inbounds heave. :lmao

[MultiTroll]

Anyone see Grayson Allens flopping faggotry get rewarded?

Took away a sweet OKC trey with 10 seonds left to pull OCK within 1.

Away from the shot call to boot. He runs into the pick setter and does a Derek Swisher level flop.

[MultiTroll]

1589852709502746624

Curry going HAM wasn't gonna be enough, they also needed Refs going full 2002 to eek out that W.
So of all the masses of minutiae that is reviewable, on end of game Foul or Not shots.....
No instant replay can be utilized. :lmao

RULE NO. 13: Instant Replay | NBA Official (https://official.nba.com/rule-no-13-instant-replay/)

[MultiTroll]

Nets win again without Kywie.
Tie game 4th qtr before the Nets run off a 15-0 run or so vs the Nephews. Without Nephew.

Paul George showing again he's merely a Kombe Bryant type coat tail rider. 5-21 Kobme type game without Nephew. Again.

Can the Nets get any trade value for Kywie?

[lefty]

:lol Knicks defense
:lol Thibs

[MultiTroll]

G League level = Lakers vs Nets.

Wonder if the best G League team could beat 50% of the NBA teams on a given night.

[MultiTroll]

Good to see the Golden Phaggots being put in their place by Phoenix.

Donkey Green with a stunning foul call on one his classic cheating moving screens.

Ayton looking good.

[djohn2oo8]

LMAO Mavs

[Joseph Kony]

Warriors are done tbh...extremely lucky to have even made the finals last year, much less win it all. they won't make it past the first round, assuming they even make the postseason. vets besides Curry are washed, Poole is checked out, and the other young guys (Wiseman, Moody, Kuminga) have all regressed or in Wiseman's case havent done shit to begin with. Not that they had much of a shot to begin with but Donkey torpedoed their season before it even began. Between the corpse of Klay and Curry/Poole hogging the rest of the cap, plus their salary tax issues, they are completely fucked

[lefty]

:wow Curry and Poole combined for 52 pts

[Texas_Ranger]

Cant wait to see what the excuse will be this year for Doncic not getting the mvp. This mavs team is pure trash.

[MultiTroll]

1593808525137805317

[lefty]

The Jordan/Zeke feud carries on.

https://nypost.com/2022/07/08/isiah-thomas-re-ignites-michael-jordan-beef-stop-lying/


Been hearing this ish for decades now. Watched the 85 all star game to draw my own conclusion, and I hate to say it, but the GOAT is lying :lol Thomas passed it to him several times. Jordan just wasn't hitting and he was a rookie at that time. MJ can not expect 20 shots in the all star game as a rookie.
This tbh
mike just had to make shit up to motivate himself tbh

[lefty]

:wow Klay

[lefty]

Cant wait to see what the excuse will be this year for Doncic not getting the mvp. This mavs team is pure trash.

:lol Luka Donutcic can’t even beat Jokic-less and Murray-less Nuggets at home

[Texas_Ranger]

:lol Luka Donutcic can’t even beat Jokic-less and Murray-less Nuggets at home

Hard to win when your retarded coach plays the second best player 17 minutes and your shooters shoot 2-19. Anyway, Dallas sucks.

[MultiTroll]

Sthevie Kerr is resting all three of the Big Phaggots.
And Wiggins.

Is Stern Jr. going to say anything about this?

[Ghazi]

Is Anthony Davis a top 6-7 player this year despite the Lakers sucking?

Averaging 26/12 right now

[lefty]

Is Anthony Davis a top 6-7 player this year despite the Lakers sucking?

Averaging 26/12 right now
Very talented but a mental midget

[horseshue]

Is Anthony Davis a top 6-7 player this year despite the Lakers sucking?

Averaging 26/12 right now

Carried heavily by refs in recant games. Despite that, second worst record in west right now. Another empty stats guy.

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/bolwrld/status/1595921403647344642

[lefty]

:lol Finney-Smith

[MultiTroll]

That rich.

2 of the WOAT phaggots, Sthevie Kerr and Stheve Curry whining about an obvious foul on Curry to Luca Doncic for the 2+1,

Mavs by 5 end of 3rd but you know WarriorRef can swing this at any time.

[MultiTroll]

There it is.
Dinwiddle was playing well.

You guys have got to see the *Flagrant 2* that just got Din out of the game.

WarriorRef

[Chris Fall]

Luka Doncic is the best damn basketball player in the world. Not hyperbole. Facts. Provided he stays healthy to play a sufficient amount of games, he should be the overwhelming favorite for MVP. Now let's see what Kidd and Luka's teammates can do to fuck it up for him the rest of the season.

[lefty]

Better than Jordan tbh

[MultiTroll]

Stunning travelling call on Stephie Curry with under a minute to go in tight Mavs game.

That ref is sleeping on the couch for a while.

Most satisfying seeing Doncic carry the Mavs over the fake dynasty.

[ambchang]

Luka Doncic is the best damn basketball player in the world. Not hyperbole. Facts. Provided he stays healthy to play a sufficient amount of games, he should be the overwhelming favorite for MVP. Now let's see what Kidd and Luka's teammates can do to fuck it up for him the rest of his career.

FIFY

[MultiTroll]

Cant wait to see what the excuse will be this year for Doncic not getting the mvp. This mavs team is pure trash.
On display again tonight vs Detroit.

SMH

[InRareForm]

Chris Paul lol

[MultiTroll]

Bucks outside of Greek Freak look pathetic again.

:lol Losing to Lakers

[lefty]

Bucks outside of Greek Freak look pathetic again.

:lol Losing to Lakers

Giannis carrying those clownd tbh :lol


Watched the highlights of Celtics-Heats, great stuff tbh

[Texas_Ranger]

It must be nice being Tatum and scoring 14 points on 27% shooting and still only losing by 4 to the Heat.... Just shows you this guy ain't an MVP.

[TD 21]

Luka Doncic is the best damn basketball player in the world. Not hyperbole. Facts. Provided he stays healthy to play a sufficient amount of games, he should be the overwhelming favorite for MVP. Now let's see what Kidd and Luka's teammates can do to fuck it up for him the rest of the season.

:lmao At the rush to anoint him because he's virtually (foreign) the wet dream of so many. We've seen this act before, recently, within' the same state, yet conveniently it wasn't received nearly as glowingly.

Jokic and Antetokounmpo are the two best players.

[lefty]

It must be nice being Tatum and scoring 14 points on 27% shooting and still only losing by 4 to the Heat.... Just shows you this guy ain't an MVP.

It happens
Overall he has been great this season but he’s not the most impactful player in the league. Celtics are just a well oiled machine

Great game tbh, Brown hitting that long 3 hitting glass to tie it and Butler hitting though midrange shots , it was competitive

[lefty]

:lmao At the rush to anoint him because he's virtually (foreign) the wet dream of so many. We've seen this act before, recently, within' the same state, yet conveniently it wasn't received nearly as glowingly.

Jokic and Antetokounmpo are the two best players.

Factos

[ambchang]

The wolves are horrible this year. Worse than they were before they traded all their future away. Someone’s gonna be fired soon.

[Texas_Ranger]

Jaylen Brown could be an alpha on his own team.

[lefty]

Jaylen Brown could be an alpha on his own team.

Underrated tbh

[Chris Fall]

:lmao At the rush to anoint him because he's virtually (foreign) the wet dream of so many. We've seen this act before, recently, within' the same state, yet conveniently it wasn't received nearly as glowingly.

Jokic and Antetokounmpo are the two best players.

Lol at the idea that it's a "rush" anointment.

Kid is not a rookie. This is not the start of his sophomore NBA season. Luka's been in the league four plus seasons now and has dominated since day one. Breaking dudes hearts as a rookie. Taking a trash roster to the playoffs in his second year. Bowing up against shit talking Clippers players in his first playoff series, and frankly changing their minds in the process while dropping a 40bagger on playoff-peegee and Marcus Morris. And we just saw him take another trash roster all the way to the conference finals while dismantling the team with the best record in the league along the way.

Rush annointment?? Lol his first four years in the league compare quite favorably to LeBron's first four seasons in the league, both individually and as a team.

And it's no disparagement towards Joker or Freak. Both great players. Both deserving MVPs the years they won. It's about how great Luka is. Realizing and acknowledging it. It sounds more ridiculous not to acknowledge it tbh.

[TD 21]

Lol at the idea that it's a "rush" anointment.

Kid is not a rookie. This is not the start of his sophomore NBA season. Luka's been in the league four plus seasons now and has dominated since day one. Breaking dudes hearts as a rookie. Taking a trash roster to the playoffs in his second year. Bowing up against shit talking Clippers players in his first playoff series, and frankly changing their minds in the process while dropping a 40bagger on playoff-peegee and Marcus Morris. And we just saw him take another trash roster all the way to the conference finals while dismantling the team with the best record in the league along the way.

Rush annointment?? Lol his first four years in the league compare quite favorably to LeBron's first four seasons in the league, both individually and as a team.

And it's no disparagement towards Joker or Freak. Both great players. Both deserving MVPs the years they won. It's about how great Luka is. Realizing and acknowledging it. It sounds more ridiculous not to acknowledge it tbh.

I know, I just mean that so many clearly want him to be the best player because he's white and playing the glamor role, but he's been fourth (Embiid) the past couple of seasons (yes, they're all squarely in their prime) and Harden (regular season) was basically doing the same thing a few seasons ago, yet he wasn't being incessantly slobbered over.

He also clearly gets away with a lot of antics most of the black superstars and stars don't.

[MultiTroll]

Scott Foster with a highly questionable call to swing the game the Magics way.
Clippers +1 and Zubiac sure looked like he got all ball / no body on a block of Banchero with 7 seconds left.
Got to see replay on that. If no foul, fark Foster with another rigged robbery.

Makes both FTs.

Clippers inbound for the win.
No inboud, 5 second violation. :lmao

Orlando makes 2 more FTs now up 3.

Clippers inbound. Overthrow into the seats, turnover.

[MultiTroll]

Nicely done Jazz.
Down 1, stripped phaggot Poole and got it down court for the layup with 2 seconds left.

Warrior tears are delicious.

[Darth_Pelican]

Pels are currently the 1 seed. Fun times.

[Texas_Ranger]

Pels are currently the 1 seed. Fun times.

Zion should be an MVP candidate if they continue to perform like this. Even tho everyone is jerking on Tatum, who has the best team around him and on half the nights isn't even their best player.

[Monostradamus]

Jaylen Brown could be an alpha on his own team.
He’s a #2 at best. Total lack of handle, and mentally he’s Kyrie with better PR.

[Monostradamus]

Pels are currently the 1 seed. Fun times.
The talent level and potential is amazing. Crazy thing is that a year ago today everyone thought that franchise was a disaster on the verge of another blowup/rebuild. Shows how little the media really knows.

[JamStone]

The talent level and potential is amazing. Crazy thing is that a year ago today everyone thought that franchise was a disaster on the verge of another blowup/rebuild. Shows how little the media really knows.

They have a pretty exciting roster of young talent. Trey Murphy has star potential. Dyson Daniels has intriguing size and skill. And Alvarado has got to be related to JJ Barea. But the Pelicans as a legitimate title contending team, and not just a very good playoff team that loses in the second round every year, will still ultimately hinge on whether the scale reads 280 or less or 300+, and how that impacts Zion’s $193 million knees.

[Texas_Ranger]

So, Luka was 1st on the MVP leader board. Then wins vs Golden State, Phoenix and Denver and somehow falls to 3rd. Lol

[Texas_Ranger]

Whoever thinks Luka aint MVP is pretty much retarded.

[djohn2oo8]

Whoever thinks Luka aint MVP is pretty much retarded.
Going to be hard to win if they miss the playoffs.

[Texas_Ranger]

Going to be hard to win if they miss the playoffs.

True that.

Also, Brown is the the best Celtics player.

[lefty]

There are other strong MVP candidates

[Texas_Ranger]

There are other strong MVP candidates

Who? Giannis and Jokic with their stacked teams? Give me a break. Zion and Donovan Mitchell should be ahead of those guys.

[MultiTroll]

:lol Celtics new coach is just as inept as Ime.

Running the offense thru soft fraud Kobme Tatum.

Warriors win again.

[MultiTroll]

Nice seeing Freak and the Bucks take a steaming hot one on the Golden State Frauds.

Freak with an off shooting night but kept it going Timmy Duncan style with assists and boards.

Bucks bench superb.
Greyson Allen, who lit a fire under his ass? :lol

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/HYbBGym/Screenshot-20221213-225349-Chrome.jpg

Frightened NBA player :cry

[MultiTroll]

^ :lmao Snowflake Draymond can't take getting whooped by the Bucks so snitches to the ref.

[MultiTroll]

Frightened NBA player :cry
Hoping some media gets ahold of fan and others sitting nearby.

Get the real story.

[MultiTroll]

Coward Green now tossed from tonights game vs Pacers in 4th qtr.

[Bynumite]

Donkey's stat line vs Pacers - 1 point in 27 minutes :lol

Donkey's competing with Pat Bev to see who's the biggest bum still starting for an nba team :lol




These two have laid out the blueprint for the average scrub to have a decent nba career.


- Be loud
- Run your mouth non-stop
- Don't worry about improving your shooting
- Pretend your active on defense

[lefty]

Donkey's stat line vs Pacers - 1 point in 27 minutes :lol

Donkey's competing with Pat Bev to see who's the biggest bum still starting for an nba team :lol



These two have laid out the blueprint for the average scrub to have a decent nba career.


- Be loud
- Run your mouth non-stop
- Don't worry about improving your shooting
- Pretend your active on defense


:wow almost a triple single

[lefty20]

1603488083688693760

Dubs were struggling to remain .500 with Steph going nuclear.

They'll be lucky to match our win pace without him tbh.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Are there any good teams? Looks like a bunch of 7-10 seeds across the NBA

[Seventyniner]

Am I the only one that sees those Hornets uniform that says CLT on the front, and thinks it says CLIT?

[MultiTroll]

Is WestChuck actually playing some consistent team ball?

[MultiTroll]

Are there any good teams? Looks like a bunch of 7-10 seeds across the NBA
No / Yes.

If one loves strategy and team ball it's gonzo.

[FrostKing]

Bulls are bad?

Weird drop-off.

[MultiTroll]

:lol CD Lamb

[Texas_Ranger]

Bulls are bad?

Weird drop-off.

DeRozan and Lavine can't work together. Their defense is also horrible.

[JamStone]

DeRozan and Lavine can't work together. Their defense is also horrible.

Bulls were a bad defense last season too. Odd as it might be to claim, they miss Lonzo Ball. Playing point guard isn’t just about breaking down a defense and getting a bunch of assists. Lonzo was good at controlling tempo, knowing when to push the ball, and getting DeRozan and LaVine the ball when and where they could score at a higher percentage, even if it didn’t result in an assist for Ball. Donovan is running out scoring guards and combo guards with DeRozan and LaVine, which ultimately means DeRozan and LaVine are the de facto point guards. Dosunmo and Caruso aren’t point guards. Coby White is more of one and probably should take more minutes from those too tbh. But he isn’t a game manager at point guard either.

What the Bulls should do is start Dragic and play him as close to 30 minutes a game as his tired old ass can possibly play. Because at least he’s a point guard, and he won’t just cower to giving it to DeRozan and LaVine every other possession.

[MultiTroll]

Jam whats going on in Detroit.

Full on tank mode?

[Isitjustme?]

Rob Pelinka hate cracks me the fuck up. If you accept that the Westbrook trade is the fault of Lebron/AD (which it is based on reports) and look at his work otherwise it's pretty tremendous. Especially since he is also limited to only signing Klutch Sports clients as well lmao

[Texas_Ranger]

the sooner the Bulls realize that Zach Lavine is not really that good, the better. I'd say the same for DeRozan, but that suicide watch faggot has been fooling the league for years with his loser mentality. Clear example of players that will win a ring only when they get old and benched.

[Isitjustme?]

I mean Josh Hart, Kuzma, Brandon Ingram, Caruso, Lonzo (didn't have injury problems when drafted), Reeves, etc. are all good to exceptional acquisitions
.

[Isitjustme?]

the sooner the Bulls realize that Zach Lavine is not really that good, the better. I'd say the same for DeRozan, but that suicide watch faggot has been fooling the league for years with his loser mentality. Clear example of players that will win a ring only when they get old and benched.
Lavine seems hampered by injuries this year, but yes if he is going down the McGrady road due to injuries they need to dump him now while he still has value

[Texas_Ranger]

Lavine seems hampered by injuries this year, but yes if he is going down the McGrady road due to injuries they need to dump him now while he still has value

even without the injuries he's still too selfish and plays zero defense. The Bulls will soon once again be in rebuild mode, even tho they thought they have a team that can make it out of the east.

[JamStone]

Jam whats going on in Detroit.

Full on tank mode?

I don’t know tbh. Kind of like last year, I don’t believe organizationally they care if they win or lose games. But I don’t think they’re purposefully or proactively trying to lose games... likely not until probably February or March.

Early in the season, they dealt with a few minor injuries to a few key players mostly in the frontcourt, so they were getting killed in the paint and on the glass. Now, Cade Cunningham is done for the season with a shin injury that’s going to require surgery. But it’s coincided with a stretch of games where Killian Hayes has looked like a legitimate starting NBA guard when just a month ago I’ll tell you most Pistons fans thought he was destined to play in Europe as soon as the end of this season. They’ve played a lot better recently and have been competitive even against much better teams. They just have a very difficult time closing games. They’re young. And the franchise guy they’ve pegged as the closer for those situations, Cunningham, is out with an injury. Bojan Bogdanovic is a dog though. Love his game. He can play for my team any day.

I don’t think they’re in full tank mode. They’re not a good bet any given night, if that’s what you’re asking. Every once in a while, they’ll beat a much better team. They should have beat the Nets last night. Except Kevin Durant up and decided to drop a 26-banger in the 3rd quarter.

[MultiTroll]

Donkey's stat line vs Pacers - 1 point in 27 minutes :lol

Donkey's competing with Pat Bev to see who's the biggest bum still starting for an nba team :lol




These two have laid out the blueprint for the average scrub to have a decent nba career.


- Be loud
- Run your mouth non-stop
- Don't worry about improving your shooting
- Pretend your active on defense
2 points
4 rebounds
in 23 minutes tonight.

87 Golden Phaggots
112 Golden Phaggots East Nets

[spurraider21]

people still trying to pretend a 4x all star, 2x all nba, 7x all defensive player is a scrub because sometimes his offensive numbers are low volume :lol

[Texas_Ranger]

people still trying to pretend a 4x all star, 2x all nba, 7x all defensive player is a scrub because sometimes his offensive numbers are low volume :lol

put him on any other team and he's a nobody. Luckiest role player to ever play basketball.

[FrostKing]

people still trying to pretend a 4x all star, 2x all nba, 7x all defensive player is a scrub because sometimes his offensive numbers are low volume :lol
Draymond?

Interesting part is so far this season, every single one of his statistics has decreased EXCEPT points and shooting percentage. But his role is the glue guy not scorer.

[spurraider21]

put him on any other team and he's a nobody. Luckiest role player to ever play basketball.
Yeah like that

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/p2VPrZy/sggkh-lxx-9-754-7402-8-muochl-mvg-wmn-zkr-e3-C805v-Qht-DYWV7z-Jyz-Mwn-XCTFK-B-ZZZZYH-9-YWQHjyk-OKJa.jpg

Only 1 hour

[MultiTroll]

Memphis toasted the Suns with Clitter Paul.
125-100 and it was Mem by 20 since the 2nd qtr.

Bookerdashian out.