2022 Summer League

[spurraider21]

Meh would need Charlotte to not only get in the playoffs, but also not be one of the two worst playoff teams to get their pick next year.
lamelo pls

[wildbill2u]

I hate these semantic games but here goes. Extatics original quote said twin or "BROTHER" so my little bit of humor was on target. Geez this is dumb. Why do I bother to answer a dumber post.????

[TimDunkem]

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They playing for a SL championship or something? He hasn't had a chance to practice with the group, therefore his status is TBD and costing more time to practice with said group.

Brilliant.

[John B]

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That’s great news. I’m so stoked to see our rookies play :toast

[Degoat]

They playing for a SL championship or something? He hasn't had a chance to practice with the group, therefore his status is TBD and costing more time to practice with said group.

Brilliant.

Thats so Ridiculous it’s the freaking summer league, go out and play lol

[John B]

Thats so Ridiculous it’s the freaking summer league, go out and play lol

Yup it’s not like the plays would be highly complicated, and the kid’s 19 :lol

[Mr. Body]

Jesus, if the Spurs actually executed good plays the SL would be toast. It's just a glorified srimmage.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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Going to check out some of the Thunder game tonight to see Chet, Jalen, and Dieng. Also, Poku is still on the Summer League team lol.

[Mr. Body]

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Going to check out some of the Thunder game tonight to see Chet, Jalen, and Dieng. Also, Poku is still on the Summer League team lol.

Give Poku a break. Emus generally don't play basketball.

[exstatic]

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Going to check out some of the Thunder game tonight to see Chet, Jalen, and Dieng. Also, Poku is still on the Summer League team lol.

Poku has been SO BAD that he may be playing for his NBA career and his year 4 option this fall.

[spurs10]

Anywhere other than NBATV to watch games 1&2?

[Mr. Body]

Poku has been SO BAD that he may be playing for his NBA career and his year 4 option this fall.

Less bad last year, if only because they didn't let him fling quite as many disastrous 'shots' from three. He's been bad.

[rjv]

i remember when ST posters were lamenting the spurs passing on poku. good times.

[Dejounte]

i remember when ST posters were lamenting the spurs passing on poku. good times.

Yet these people are usually the loudest about who the Spurs should draft

[Mr. Body]

It's pretty astonishing to look at Presti's picks since 2007-2009 when he nailed the Durant/Westbrook/Harden picks, even if they were all top 4.


Draft year League Round Pick Player College/High School/Club
2021 NBA 1 6 Josh Giddey Adelaide 36ers (Australia) (Good pick)
2021 NBA 1 16 Alperen Şengün Beşiktaş (Turkey) (Probably a good pick, traded immediately)
2021 NBA 1 18 Tre Mann Florida (Decent pick so far)
2021 NBA 2 34 Rokas Jokubaitis Žalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania)
2021 NBA 2 36 Miles McBride West Virginia
2021 NBA 2 55 Aaron Wiggins Maryland
2020 NBA 1 25 Immanuel Quickley Kentucky (Good pick, traded immediately)
2020 NBA 2 53 Cassius Winston Michigan State
2019 NBA 1 21 Brandon Clarke Gonzaga (Great pick, traded immediately)
2018 NBA 2 53 Devon Hall Virginia
2018 NBA 2 57 Kevin Hervey Texas Arlington
2017 NBA 1 21 Terrance Ferguson Adelaide 36ers (Australia)
2015 NBA 1 14 Cameron Payne Murray State (Pretty good pick, traded after two years)
2015 NBA 2 48 Dakari Johnson Kentucky
2014 NBA 1 21 Mitch McGary Michigan
2014 NBA 1 29 Josh Huestis Stanford
2013 NBA 1 12 Steven Adams Pittsburgh (Great pick)
2013 NBA 1 29 Archie Goodwin Kentucky
2013 NBA 2 32 Álex Abrines FC Barcelona (Spain)
2012 NBA 1 28 Perry Jones Baylor
2011 NBA 1 24 Reggie Jackson Boston College (Good pick, traded after four years)
2010 NBA 1 18 Eric Bledsoe Kentucky (Good pick, traded immediately to Clippers)
2010 NBA 1 21 Craig Brackins Iowa State
2010 NBA 1 26 Quincy Pondexter Washington
2010 NBA 2 51 Magnum Rolle Louisiana

I haven't dove into who he could have selected with these picks or what he received in these trades, and granted many of these are 2nd rounders, but goddamn that's a lot of blown calls. And often when he drafted a good player he got rid of them immediately.

[Mr. Body]

To get Pokusevski, OKC traded off Ricky Rubio and the draft rights to Jaden McDaniel and Immanuel Quickley. Received James Johnson, recently cut by Brooklyn, and a 2nd rounder.

[rjv]

presti passed on john collins, anunoby and kuzma in 2017 and rodney hood, capela and bogdanovic in 2014

[XDT76]

It's pretty astonishing to look at Presti's picks since 2007-2009 when he nailed the Durant/Westbrook/Harden picks, even if they were all top 4.


Draft year League Round Pick Player College/High School/Club
2021 NBA 1 6 Josh Giddey Adelaide 36ers (Australia) (Good pick)
2021 NBA 1 16 Alperen Şengün Beşiktaş (Turkey) (Probably a good pick, traded immediately)
2021 NBA 1 18 Tre Mann Florida (Decent pick so far)
2021 NBA 2 34 Rokas Jokubaitis Žalgiris Kaunas (Lithuania)
2021 NBA 2 36 Miles McBride West Virginia
2021 NBA 2 55 Aaron Wiggins Maryland
2020 NBA 1 25 Immanuel Quickley Kentucky (Good pick, traded immediately)
2020 NBA 2 53 Cassius Winston Michigan State
2019 NBA 1 21 Brandon Clarke Gonzaga (Great pick, traded immediately)
2018 NBA 2 53 Devon Hall Virginia
2018 NBA 2 57 Kevin Hervey Texas Arlington
2017 NBA 1 21 Terrance Ferguson Adelaide 36ers (Australia)
2015 NBA 1 14 Cameron Payne Murray State (Pretty good pick, traded after two years)
2015 NBA 2 48 Dakari Johnson Kentucky
2014 NBA 1 21 Mitch McGary Michigan
2014 NBA 1 29 Josh Huestis Stanford
2013 NBA 1 12 Steven Adams Pittsburgh (Great pick)
2013 NBA 1 29 Archie Goodwin Kentucky
2013 NBA 2 32 Álex Abrines FC Barcelona (Spain)
2012 NBA 1 28 Perry Jones Baylor
2011 NBA 1 24 Reggie Jackson Boston College (Good pick, traded after four years)
2010 NBA 1 18 Eric Bledsoe Kentucky (Good pick, traded immediately to Clippers)
2010 NBA 1 21 Craig Brackins Iowa State
2010 NBA 1 26 Quincy Pondexter Washington
2010 NBA 2 51 Magnum Rolle Louisiana

I haven't dove into who he could have selected with these picks or what he received in these trades, and granted many of these are 2nd rounders, but goddamn that's a lot of blown calls. And often when he drafted a good player he got rid of them immediately.

Actually players picked and traded immediately are probably choices of the other team, we would not be sure of who he will pick if it's not traded.

[Atl Spur]

Spurs talk keep Presti on that pedal stool :) we’ve done more with less but of course his mentors ( Patfo ) don’t know anything!

[Mr. Body]

Jovic looked good today and his schnoz ain't that big.

[Ariel]

Actually players picked and traded immediately are probably choices of the other team, we would not be sure of who he will pick if it's not traded.
Definitely. It's actually evidence AGAINST Presti that others saw value where he didn't. His negotiating skills are OFF THE CHARTS, but he's overrated as a talent evaluator.

[Ariel]

Jovic looked good today and his schnoz ain't that big.
Jovic is a talented guy, he needs to improve as a shooter. If he does, he'll be good.

[Ariel]

It's pretty astonishing to look at Presti's picks since 2007-2009 when he nailed the Durant/Westbrook/Harden picks, even if they were all top 4.
Durant at 2 is no merit, there was no chance anyone with a couple working neurons would screw that up. Westbrook and Harden (especially) were better picks than most would have thought, though. Credit where it's due. However, when looking at how many picks he had and how many he fumbled, he doesn't seem quite like the drafting wizard he's been made out to be. To be any good, you have to consistently beat consensus picks, otherwise just fire your entire scouting department and use ESPN mocks.

[BackHome]

Those two airballs by Jovic looked like they never even went above rim level after they left his hand :lol.

Cant read too much into summer league though.

Yeah he bounced back and had a nice game - 25 PTS and 9 REB

[Degoat]

Jake Laravia is playing pretty well right now. I’m super intrigued by the OKC game later, watch Ousmane Dieng look like a god out there lol

[rankingtear]

Jovic is slow but skilled big serbians usually figure it out. Memphis is the ultimate moneyball team, a lot of unusual body types.

[PhantomDashCam]

Jake Laravia is playing pretty well right now. I’m super intrigued by the OKC game later, watch Ousmane Dieng look like a god out there lol

Blasphemy! There is only one God of Summer League and his name be Kai... :wow

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[Ariel]

I'm most intrigued to watch Sharpe, the man of mistery. Dieng after that. Both huge question marks.

[ace3g]

Agrees to a contract while currently playing in a game.

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Memphis Grizzlies No. 38 pick Kennedy Chandler has agreed to a four-year, $7.1 million rookie deal, his agent Ryan Davis tells @TheAthletic (https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/) @Stadium (https://twitter.com/Stadium/). The contract contains the largest guaranteed salary – $4.94M – for an American second-round pick.

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[ismael-robert]

Jovic looked good today and his schnoz ain't that big.

So ur saying u were able to get it all in ur mouth

[PhantomDashCam]

Chet dominating... Hypothetical Q: If we drafted Chet, you think we trade DJ?

[Mr. Body]

This Utah team is terrible.

Holmgren is going to be trouble to guard.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeSGallagher/status/1544491501991759873

[ace3g]

Might actually be 4 blocks, of course he just got tangled up and turned an ankle.

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[R. DeMurre]

Chet Holmgren at +20 in his first 9 minutes of summer league.

[Mr. Body]

Why even schedule this game? Lol. OKC is playing, what, five lottery picks including a 6 and a 2, and something like three other first round picks. Utah has maybe one fringe NBA player.

[R. DeMurre]

From strictly a theatrical standpoint, it'd be awesome if the Thunder get Wembanyama next year and at some point have him on the court with Chet & Poku.

[exstatic]

From strictly a theatrical standpoint, it'd be awesome if the Thunder get Wembanyama next year and at some point have him on the court with Chet & Poku.

It’s just a hunch, but I don’t think Poku will be there. If you’re playing in SL after two seasons, there’s a reason, and I’m pretty sure that reason is that he’s playing for his year 4 option to be picked up. He’s sucked badly his first two seasons, like epic badness.

[Mnky]

Chet looks like a player. Calm and controlled, but definitely gets winded fighting down low. Can tell how lazy his technique got as the quarter went on. Was galloping pretty sloppy before he rolled his ankle. If he's going to be fighting down low an entire Game, he's going to need to learn to pace on offense. He wore out way too quick. Good recipe for injury. Kids game looks legit though. Will be fun to watch.

Williams looks surprisingly out of control and lost. For someone who seemed to be benefiting from his experience and age pre draft, he looks like the least mature game wise. Might just be pressing too much.

Dieng is an energy player. Hussles and seems to understand how to use his body well. Not gun shy, but the shot placement seemed well off. With his agility and size added to his energy, he will be another player fun to watch.

OKC is definitely looking up with giddey, dort, and sga adding some legitimate pieces. They'll be a fun team.

[Ditty]

Poku still can’t shoot. Chet looks tremendous out there.

[Mr. Body]

To me Holmgren was far and away the best player in the draft. You see it here. No idea why people were on about Banchero much less Jabari Smith.

[rankingtear]

Shut it down, Chet too good. The Cock playing, where is his fanboy at.

[GB20]

Chet is looking pretty good out there. The Magic must be shitting thier pants right now.

[ace3g]

Chet just hit the Dirk a few minutes ago.

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[Chomag]

Keegan Murray looked really solid. I was impressed with how comfortable he looked out there.

[Mr. Body]

Holmgren ROY. People ignored how good he was from deep. Utah's team here is terrible, but they won't take it inside with him playing. Hate that the Thunder got him. I'm less sure of everyone else, but time enough. It still feels like a weird team to me, mismatched parts.

[GB20]

Presti has done again. He has found another Kevin Durant but with better defense.

[Ice009]

Looks like Chet might be a lot better than I thought he was going to be. Good on him. Still early, though, but looking good.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[Mr. Body]

Cockburn finally realized he's way, way stronger than Holmgren.

[Chomag]

Chet is the real dea. He doesn't back down.

[Ditty]

It’s crazy how VW is viewed as a better prospect than Chet also. Some team is going to be very lucky a year from now.

[Mnky]

Chet is the real dea. He doesn't back down.

They're feeding that man blocks running at him. :lol
He loves to contest. He almost got flipped going for a pump fake though. They need to attack his legs, not his 10 ft reach.

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/VV0ghqctrIU

[CGD]

Agrees to a contract while currently playing in a game.

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Interesting. Memphis is one of the few teams that id say is on our level right now (or even slightly better) on the late talent development front. The kicker is why probably could have used Chandler tbh

[Floyd Pacquiao]

:lol the spurs not tanking for Chet

[Ditty]

Imo the Thunder have the worst color scheme and jersey’s in the league.

[mystargtr34]

Not to overreact to Chet here, but have been thinking since the draft that Giddey-SGA-Dort-Holmgren-Any C with a pulse, is going to be a good lineup for the Thunder. Jalen Williams and Dieng off the bench to get their minutes and development. Thunder have the talent to get to 35 wins imo this year.

Think Chet's long term position will be at the 4, which most people agree on, then as he puts on some size and strength he'll be able to play more at the 5 against starters.

[BatManu20]

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[Mr. Body]

Holmgren will need to be gameplanned for. I figure the best players will be able to counter him down low, but he's a real shotblocking threat.

Giddey is too good for Summer League.

J. Williams and Dieng didn't really rate. OKC's development has honestly been kind of crap, so we'll see what happens. Dieng will get time, Williams is more of a utility guy. A utility guy isn't needed on a a perpetual lottery team. The failure to do anything with Poku might show Dieng's future.

Pokusevski still can't shoot worth a shit. Just an awful shooter yet they let him shoot whenever he wants.

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[Dejounte]

Yesterday… it’s just summer league, guys. You can’t measure how good a player is based on these games

Today… holy shit chet is the next kevin durant omg GOAT

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Yesterday… it’s just summer league, guys. You can’t measure how good a player is based on these games

Today… holy shit chet is the next kevin durant omg GOAT

It was so easy for him though.

[J_Paco]

It was so easy for him though.

It won't come that easy once they get to real NBA minutes, though. He'll be a defensive threat as a shot blocker, but will definitely get pushed around because of his lack of strength and weight.

[TD 21]

Presti has done again. He has found another Kevin Durant but with better defense.

:lmao "Found". What a genius, selecting a top 2 ranked prospect at . . .#2 overall.

[Mr. Body]

That utah team was awful. Chet will be good, though, but no need to go overboard. The Thunder is still a puzzle.

[Kurik]

Chet is the real deal, whether his body can hold up for 82 games we’ll see but he has always exceeded expectations. Seeing how someone like Adebayo defends him will be fun.

[emanueldavidginobili]

If Chet plays tomorrow and does the same things he did tonight then it will mean a lot more than him playing against the Jazz SL team, which is pretty much equivalent to Loyola Marymount.

Memphis has Xavier Tillman who is at least an NBA player along with Roddy and Lofton who are both short for their positions but at least are physical and can move much better than Falls and whoever they had out The Grizz have Zaire Williams who would probably be the best player on the Jazz SL team and LaRavia so they’re a legit summer league team compared to the atrocity the Jazz had to show.

But it will be an interesting game fore sure. Also, Giddey is going to have a great and long NBA career. I was skeptical of him during pre draft but I’m certain I’m going to be wrong when it’s all said and done. Granted all I said about the lack of competition Chet faced tonight, he has the tools and is incredibly fluid for his size. But what I like most is that he’s engaged on defense and his shot altering ability/shot blocking.

The magic fucked up.

[John B]

Chet operates on top of the key taking his defender on a drive or step back shooting like he should

[ChumpDumper]

Anywhere other than NBATV to watch games 1&2?

The NBATV SL games are showing up on ESPN+ on demand so far. Doubt they are showing live there but it's something.

[Dverde]

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[rjv]

OKC's summer team is significantly better than what the Jazz put out there. is anyone on that jazz squad going to be in any kind of significant rotation much less a roster?

[Chomag]

I was on the Chet will be a bust team because I couldn't help but think of Shawn Bradley. Although it's just summer league but so far he looks like the polar opposite of him. What is standing out to me is he looks very confident and comfortable out there even when things get physical he gets pushed around but he fights his way back into the play.

[spurraider21]

Yesterday… it’s just summer league, guys. You can’t measure how good a player is based on these games

Today… holy shit chet is the next kevin durant omg GOAT
#2 overall pick unicorn to OKC

where have we seen that before

[Mr. Body]

One thing to note is that Chet got all kinds of calls yesterday. He'll probably get annoying with what he gets because his body moves so stupidly.

[spurraider21]

:lmao spurstalk thinking luka was going to be holmgren

[Mr. Body]

I think there's a cap to how Holmgren will affect the game. He needs to be gameplanned -- you can't have Taco Fail on him or other slow bigs who don't know how to defend shooters. Chet hit well inside, but may struggle to post up. He'll be a huge threat to block shots inside, which can do wonders for OKC's defense. I just don't see a Giannis here or someone who will dominate offensively. It'll also be fun to see guys like Morant or Edwards take the challenge.

The dweebs at realgm.com, meanwhile, are annointing Presti as the greatest GM evah. I want to post my breakdown of how bad he's been the last decade but don't know what my login is.

[Degoat]

Is it weird that the spurs still haven’t sign Sochan or Branham to contracts yet?

[rascal]

I was on the Chet will be a bust team because I couldn't help but think of Shawn Bradley. Although it's just summer league but so far he looks like the polar opposite of him. What is standing out to me is he looks very confident and comfortable out there even when things get physical he gets pushed around but he fights his way back into the play.

I'm still not sold Chet will hold up physically.

[bluebellmaniac]

I'm still not sold Chet will hold up physically.

Just rest him like Pop does, he'll be fine.

[jjspur]

Chet looks real good right now against a few rooks and an bunch of scrubs. His size allows him to block shots easily, but his 3 point shooing is also pretty good. I'm waiting till he plays against better competition. The rest of the OKC team looks like they don't need to be in summer league other than Poku.

In a few games we'll have a better idea about Mr. Chet. If Chet is this good can you imagine Victor Wembyama next year !!

[Ariel]

I think there's a cap to how Holmgren will affect the game. He needs to be gameplanned -- you can't have Taco Fail on him or other slow bigs who don't know how to defend shooters. Chet hit well inside, but may struggle to post up. He'll be a huge threat to block shots inside, which can do wonders for OKC's defense. I just don't see a Giannis here or someone who will dominate offensively. It'll also be fun to see guys like Morant or Edwards take the challenge.

The dweebs at realgm.com, meanwhile, are annointing Presti as the greatest GM evah. I want to post my breakdown of how bad he's been the last decade but don't know what my login is.
Presti is great at negotiating. Definitely up there with the best of them. But given enough chances anyone will hit some. On his behalf, he's earned a large portion of those through skill, not just tanking. But adding talent is the key... they have SGA, Giddey, now they've added Jalen Williams & Chet
On Chet, we've seen what we knew he can do: he's a phenomenal shot blocker, he's skilled and can shoot it. But yesterday he did it against a summer league Utah team that made Poku looked like a future HoF, so let's not go overboard just yet. The question marks regarding his ability to face real NBA bigs and live through a whole season are still there. And I've also questioned his ability to carry an offense by himself, but fortunately for him he won't have to do that in OKC, so he won't get exposed like he did in the NCAA tournament. By the end of the year we'll have a much better indication of how the draft went down.

[Mr. Body]

I feel like Holmgren will be your exceptional 3&D guy, if more interior based. He'll transform the team. Agree that I don't think he'll be able to carry an offense although he'll victimize plodding bigs. Thunder will continue the problem they had since the big three -- no shooting. Presti just doesn't like shooters. He likes his Pokusevski tall bois.

[Chomag]

I'm still not sold Chet will hold up physically.

Agreed, he's definitely going to need more weight on that frame to withstand a grueling season in the NBA

[south side spur]

Is it weird that the spurs still haven’t sign Sochan or Branham to contracts yet?

Branham should be up next. Probably tomorrow but definitely before Friday night. Since Dr. Fauci is apparently supervising Sochan he ain’t playing anytime soon so there’s no rush.

[ace3g]

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[John B]

Agreed, he's definitely going to need more weight on that frame to withstand a grueling season in the NBA

I don’t understand the fixation on Chet’s weight. The kid operates on top of the key, dribbles up to his defender or step back shoot. The guy is a SF/stretch 4. He’s not going to pound bodies inside. He’s going to be fine.

[Degoat]

OKC has some really impressive young guys. Jalen Williams is gonna be really good I think, and I absolutely love Giddeys game

[PhantomDashCam]

OKC has some really impressive young guys. Jalen Williams is gonna be really good I think, and I absolutely love Giddeys game

I have a feeling that Giddey will be the odd man out come next Off-season and will be subsequently traded.

I don't think you draft both Jalen Williams and Ousmane Dieng (with three first rounders I might add), to have them playing Off-Ball Long term.

Giddey has a terrific feel for the game and is an extraordinary passer but I'm not sure that's enough going forward...

[spurraider21]

OKC has some really impressive young guys. Jalen Williams is gonna be really good I think, and I absolutely love Giddeys game
was only a matter of time until that team became a problem. and figures to only get worse tbh

[Mr. Body]

I have a feeling that Giddey will be the odd man out come next Off-season and will be subsequently traded.

I don't think you draft both Jalen Williams and Ousmane Dieng (with three first rounders I might add), to have them playing Off-Ball Long term.

Giddey has a terrific feel for the game and is an extraordinary passer but I'm not sure that's enough going forward...

Presti is pretty bad at actually creating teams; he seems addicted to the draft process and accumulating assets.

I disagree with you, though. I think Giddey stays -- he opens up the floor for everyone and victimizes teams with back door cuts. I think Jalen Williams will flounder. He needs a serious team and seems to need the ball in his hands. I feel like Dieng will become an afterthought and won't be developed. We'll forget him until his name pops up for extensions.

After all this, they finally have a team identity, it's Holmgren's team, but building around him's another thing.

[Degoat]

Jalen Williams is looking really good right now in their SL game, Dieng looks terrible lol

[Mr. Body]

A guy like Lofton is hard for Holmgren to cover. Lofton isn't quite good enough to always capitalize, but he's both too quick and strong. The mystery yesterday was why Cockburn only dislodged the stick once yesterday.

[Mr. Body]

Giddey is still an awful shooter.

Memphis is tough nosed even in summer league to push OKC around and stick their noses in there.

[GB20]

Jalen Williams is looking really good right now in their SL game, Dieng looks terrible lol
Why in the hell Presti gave three first round picks for Dieng?

[John B]

was only a matter of time until that team became a problem. and figures to only get worse tbh

Good problems. They can always trade and consolidate for a better pick. Roby was a 2nd round, but the FRP’s would be different

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Chet looked so good and like it was so easy for him yesterday that Mark Few trended on twitter for being a dumbass coach that ran their offense through Drew Timme instead of Chet.

Imagine trending because people realize you obviously held back a talented player.

[spurraider21]

Why in the hell Presti gave three first round picks for Dieng?
i'll never understand that one

[Mr. Body]

Chet looked so good and like it was so easy for him yesterday that Mark Few trended on twitter for being a dumbass coach that ran their offense through Drew Timme instead of Chet.

Imagine trending because people realize you obviously held back a talented player.

I don't think he held him back and those who say it are kind of dopes. Yesterday OKC played a Utah team with one, maybe two fringe NBA prospects while they were playing with five lottery picks and other assorted NBA players, including second year guys. Utah did not adjust to Holmgren at all.

Gonzaga had a much better offensive weapon than Holmgren last year, Drew Timme. Holmgren got plenty of looks. If you want to say Mark Few always disappoints in the end, I definitely agree, but that's also because his teams are overrated because they slaughter their weak-ass conference year over year.

[Mr. Body]

Presti clearly needed to go for Duren or get some size and beef, whether in the draft or otherwise. He seems allergic to doing so.

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Btw, OKC already has four of their core players they'll need to start being a very competitive team. SGA, Giddey, Dort, and Chet, if given the time and effort to develop together as a group really only lack a wing from being a serious pain in the ass in the Western Conference. And they are slowly developing a solid bench too.

I mean the beat us once when SGA and Dort had good games. Now they'll have Chet too.

Clearly all 4 teams in our division have now left us in the rearview. Now if we can only tank most of our other games, well have a very legitimate shot at Wembanyama.

[Mr. Body]

Dieng may very well be a fine player, but he'll never get the touches or capacity to develop.

[PhantomDashCam]

Presti is pretty bad at actually creating teams; he seems addicted to the draft process and accumulating assets.

I disagree with you, though. I think Giddey stays -- he opens up the floor for everyone and victimizes teams with back door cuts. I think Jalen Williams will flounder. He needs a serious team and seems to need the ball in his hands. I feel like Dieng will become an afterthought and won't be developed. We'll forget him until his name pops up for extensions.

After all this, they finally have a team identity, it's Holmgren's team, but building around him's another thing.

I still think it's SGAs' team right now but can see him sharing responsibilities with Holmgren as the season progresses.

My stream of conciousness FWIW:

Presti has essentially run Sam Hinkie's "Philadelphia Process" throughout the last few seasons. This appears to have been the draft they were targeting after finally landing a potential franchise altering talent such as Holmgren.
I'll think you'll see his team building process shift as a result.

One of the things Hinkie identified early was that MCW, fresh off his ROY accolade, was analytically never going to become a consistent shooter. He wanted to move him when his value was at it's likely highest and did.
He was heavily maligned for this at the time but it turned out to be the right call with MCW going on to have a journeymen type career... (Not saying Giddey will be this but there is a shooting concern overlap).

For me; Jalen Williams, Ousmane Dieng, Tre Mann, Josh Giddey and SGA are all gunning for the Primary Distributor moniker.
SGA is locked up under contract for some time, Ousmane they just invested heavily into to obtain and the rest are very much TBD in RE: to their future roles within the team.

Now there is a lot of water that has to go under the bridge, admittedly, but I can see OKC coming out of the gates relatively strong and surprising a few teams this season.
Giddey may be considered expendable if the jumpshot doesn't show enough progress in the short term...

I expect them to entertain serious offers for Giddey, maybe as early as the trade deadline.

[CGD]

Why in the hell Presti gave three first round picks for Dieng?

I think someone here looked into it and basically they were like the 3 crappiest FRPs in the OKC War chest

[mystargtr34]

Presti clearly needed to go for Duren or get some size and beef, whether in the draft or otherwise. He seems allergic to doing so.

Yeah I was thinking leading up to and during the draft that they were a legit chance at taking Duren with their 12 pick, or even Mark Williams. Then when they traded for 11 and kept 12, I was doubly sure they were taking one of those two.

Perhaps Presti's thinking is they can plug that 5 spot with a defensive C through established players and focus their development in the 1-4 spots which most argue are more important than the 5 spot in todays NBA.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Dieng is meh. Wouldn’t be surprised if he turns into the next Kevin Knox. Thank god the Spurs didn’t draft him.

[Ariel]

I think someone here looked into it and basically they were like the 3 crappiest FRPs in the OKC War chest
https://thunderousintentions.com/2022/06/27/okc-thunder-trade-ousmane-dieng/

The OKC Thunder sent the Knicks three picks in the 2023 NBA Draft one via the Wizards (Top-14 protected), one via the Nuggets (Top-14 protected), and one via the Pistons (Top-18 protected) for Ousmane Dieng of The New Zealand Breakers.
Basically NY got:

Denver's 2023 1st: protected 1-14 in 2023, 2024 & 2025. With the return of Murray & MPJ, will surely convey in the 20s next year.
Detroit's 2023 1st: protected 1-18 in 2023, 1-18 in 2024, 1-13 in 2025, 1-11 in 2026 and 1-9 in 2027; will convey in 2024 or 2025 around the 20s
Washington's 2023 1st: protected 1-14 in 2023, 1-12 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026. May not convey next year, buy surely will at some point before 2026, and it'll be a high pick.

Those are not bad picks at all... all of them have ample chances of conveying at one point or another, and Washington's may be a pretty good one.

[BackHome]

Yeah those are actually pretty good

[Ariel]

Why in the hell Presti gave three first round picks for Dieng?
I don't know that that's the right way to look at it. In the rookie press conference, he went out of his way to clarify that it's not that he made the trade to get ONE player (Dieng) he liked, as much as it was not having to choose between TWO players he loved, the other being Jalen Williams. He also stated that he has been following Dieng for years, while he just took notice of Jalen Williams recently in the draft process. So given that, I think had he not been able to make a trade, he'd have taken DIENG and not Jalen Williams @ 12, so even though everyone will claim for years they gave up 3 firsts for Dieng, it may very well be that they actually did so for Jalen Williams instead.

[CGD]

Yeah guess they’re not too bad. There is also a chance that WAS never conveys given the disarray of that team, but if it does could be quite good.

I guess it’s move a function of OKC having so many that they were OK overpaying.

[Chinook]

Those picks are garbage. Like three Charlotte picks all in a row. They only work as minor incentive in three transactions, but they misread the market and ended up getting everything done with just seconds. And they didn't even end up needing the space. That was an absolute faux pas of a trade for them.

[Ariel]

Those picks are garbage. Like three Charlotte picks all in a row. They only work as minor incentive in three transactions, but they misread the market and ended up getting everything done with just seconds. And they didn't even end up needing the space. That was an absolute faux pas of a trade for them.
Those 3 picks may very well end up better than the Charlotte pick we just got in the Dejounte trade, which has very real chance of not conveying, and even if it does, it likely won't be much higher than eve the 2 worst of those.

[Chinook]

The only saving grace of the whole thing for New York is that Charlotte was dumb enough to take one of those picks for 13. Had New York then taken a guy they wanted and then used the one of the other picks to dump Kemba later on, it would've ended up being an unearned master stroke. But then they pissed away that by using their only good pick to get off Kemba's mid-sized expiring. They got MKE's loosely protected 2025 first in the deal as well (which used to be unprotected until New Orleans cucked the Blazers by keeping most of the upside of the pick by making it a one-shot top-four protected selection and keeping it if it does get one of those spots). That's a decent asset, but it's going to be really hard for it to be better than a lotto pick already in hand for a team that is looking to use cap space and needs cheap contributors.

[Ariel]

That I agree with. They could have essentially been paid 2 first rounders to trade down from 11 to 13. That would have been the better move.

[Chinook]

Those 3 picks may very well end up better than the Charlotte pick we just got in the Dejounte trade, which has very real chance of not conveying, and even if it does, it likely won't be much higher than eve the 2 worst of those.

Why are you assuming Detroit and Washington will convey but Charlotte won't? It's not like the Hornets pick is a one-shot. It's three years and then seconds. You're contrasting that with five years of protections into one second and four years of protections and two seconds. As mentioned before, the Denver pick isn't even theirs anymore, so they won't reap the benefits of it conveying. They were able to convince Charlotte to take it, so it's already conveyed its value there, I guess.

I'd rank them:

WSH
CHA
DET

The Wizards pick is one you hope will convey soon with a legit All-Star on their team, and at least it turns into two seconds if it doesn't convey. Also one of those seconds is in the last year of conveyance, so it's more likely to be a decent second.

The Hornets pick is one that could convey soon, but it's not clear what's going to happen now that Bridges is toast. They have a young All-Star, some vet role-players and a competent coach. If they can hold it together, there's a chance that the pick will convey. If it falls apart, at least it's two seconds, though the conveyance window ends a year before the seconds convey, leading to the possibility of the Hornets getting it together just in time to give bad seconds after years of protecting their first.

The Pistons MIGHT be good, but they're a young team, and their pick is protected for five years. Once it expires, they'll only give up one second. It's a really bad pick.

The Denver pick was the best pick of the bunch, which is why Charlotte took it in trade along with some seconds. Considering the Knicks could've left it there, the other two picks would just be gravy. They're good assets to grease the wheels on a trade similar to the Nash pick that was moved around multiple times, though the eventually 10th-overall conveyance that pick had in 2018 was better than we could expect from most of these picks. Maybe it's more like that Dragic first that moved from MIA to PHX to Philly to LAC to OKC that ended up being Tre Mann. That pick was at least unprotected though. Regardless, they aren't bad throw-in picks, but you don't trade a lotto pick for them directly.

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Dieng is meh. Wouldn’t be surprised if he turns into the next Kevin Knox. Thank god the Spurs didn’t draft him.

He'll be fine. My goodness, y’all are gonna turn me into Atl Spur for a guy on another team.

[Eaglenole2002]

Per Tom Orsborn: Spotted Joe Wieskamp wearing a walking boot on his right foot while sitting near courtside at the Aces game.

He said it isn't anything serious. "I'll be good," he added.


Will try to get a full report on Wieskamp from Mitch Johnson when Spurs practice Thursday.

[Dex]

Per Tom Orsborn: Spotted Joe Wieskamp wearing a walking boot on his right foot while sitting near courtside at the Aces game.

He said it isn't anything serious. "I'll be good," he added.


Will try to get a full report on Wieskamp from Mitch Johnson when Spurs practice Thursday.

Oh shit, he's gonna try to force a trade to Los Angeles

[MultiTroll]

Clearly all 4 teams in our division have now left us in the rearview. Now if we can only tank most of our other games, well have a very legitimate shot at Wembanyama.
Will Craig Pop grasp the shot at Wembanyama in the last month of the season vs obviously tanking opponents instead of going for the seed altering wins like the last 2 seasons?

The memories of the 1 2022 play in elimination game vs Pelicans will live forever, right?

[emanueldavidginobili]

He'll be fine. My goodness, y’all are gonna turn me into Atl Spur for a guy on another team.
Haha I feel you. Would you be okay with the Spurs drafting him at 9 or nah?

[BatManu20]

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[John B]

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Primo doesn’t miss legs day for sure :lol

[SAGirl]

Undrafted Lofton giving Chet the business. It is Summer League, but the weight is definitely a problem for Chet’s defense.
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[Mr. Body]

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Elder statesmen of the team.

[Mr. Body]

Have to say Spurs social media is not treating Wiesy like a guy who's not making the team.

[Dejounte]

Yeah, he’s making the cut I think.

IMO, the guys who may on the outs (given their lack of involvement and being featured so far this summer):

JRich
Langford
Poeltl
ZCollins
McDermott

KBD has somewhat been involved… but I’m including him on this list

[Dejounte]

All the whining about McDermott’s contract since he signed with the Spurs has proven to be pointless. His contract has had no impact on the team’s cap flexibility (did you want space for two max players? For what?). He’s far from untradeable no matter how much folks like to spin it.

[SAGirl]

All the whining about McDermott’s contract since he signed with the Spurs has proven to be pointless. His contract has had no impact on the team’s cap flexibility (did you want space for two max players? For what?). He’s far from untradeable no matter how much folks like to spin it.
If you are going to tank nothing matters but getting younger and getting assets.

[Dejounte]

Great to hear from an NBA expert on this board about the one and only path to championships.

[KingKev]

Yeah, he’s making the cut I think.

IMO, the guys who may on the outs (given their lack of involvement and being featured so far this summer):

JRich
Langford
Poeltl
ZCollins
McDermott

KBD has somewhat been involved… but I’m including him on this list


Zollins was guaranteed already and probably has little trade value otherwise. Don’t see any reason to move him. He showed signs last year and will only be better conditioned and more comfortable with the system next year.

Haven’t heard a peep about Langford since he was acquired but still think he gets a training camp invite given he is also fully guaranteed. Could also be used as trade filler if/when we eventually get busy in free agency.

Will be hard to move McDermott without taking bad a bad contract unless it’s part of a larger deal.

JRich probably doesn’t get you more than two SRPs. His leadership/vet presence may be enough reason to keep him.

Time to sell on Jak is now. No reason for him to be here on opening night.

[exstatic]

Those picks are garbage. Like three Charlotte picks all in a row. They only work as minor incentive in three transactions, but they misread the market and ended up getting everything done with just seconds. And they didn't even end up needing the space. That was an absolute faux pas of a trade for them.

Thank you. This board would be howling with rage if those were picks we got in a trade. People HATED that CHA pick we got, and that 2023 DET FRP is more heavily protected than our CHA pick.

[SAGirl]

https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1542161676421812230

oh lord

Bummer.
Bottom line it doesn't really matter, but it is a bummer. Thanks for sharing.

[Ariel]

Why are you assuming Detroit and Washington will convey but Charlotte won't? It's not like the Hornets pick is a one-shot. It's three years and then seconds. You're contrasting that with five years of protections into one second and four years of protections and two seconds. As mentioned before, the Denver pick isn't even theirs anymore, so they won't reap the benefits of it conveying. They were able to convince Charlotte to take it, so it's already conveyed its value there, I guess.
I didn't say Charlotte's pick won't convey, I said there's a real chance it doesn't, since it's a REALLY long shot to do so in 2023 (top 16 protected) and they have basically 2 years to make it to the playoffs (2024 or 2025). Let's compare the picks:
YEAR TEAM / PROTECTED RANGE
2023: Charlotte 1-16 --- Washington 1-14 --- Detroit 1-18 --> unlikely any will convey, might as well be 2024 picks.
2024: Charlotte 1-14 --- Washington 1-12 --- Detroit 1-18 --> better chance of conveying for all 3 picks, but very well may not.
2025: Charlotte 1-14 --- Washington 1-10 --- Detroit 1-13 --> Detroit's pick should convey, Washington's or Charlotte may or may not.
2026: Charlotte *** --- Washington 1- 8 --- Detroit 1-11 --> will surely convey by now, if it didn't, although a late first rounder
2026: Charlotte *** --- Washington *** --- Detroit 1 - 8 --> will surely convey by now, if it didn't, although as a late first rounder
Clearly the Detroit pick is the safest of the 3, with Washington's being a good combination between high ceiling and good chance of conveying. The Charlotte pick as a 2 year bet they make the playoffs (the 2 seasons after next). I think it's extremely unlikely they are not only a playoff team, but outside the bottom 2 playoff teams, which is what is required for it to convey. So I'm not thrilled about the prospects of that pick, IMO it's a tossup.

[Dex]

Bummer.
Bottom line it doesn't really matter, but it is a bummer. Thanks for sharing.

This tweet is a bit dated. I believe another report said he traveled with the team so he must have cleared protocols and hopefully will play some.

[Ariel]

Thank you. This board would be howling with rage if those were picks we got in a trade. People HATED that CHA pick we got, and that 2023 DET FRP is more heavily protected than our CHA pick.
The Detroit pick is guaranteed to convey, given the length and decreasing nature of its protections. The Charlotte pick is not, our best bet is to hope is they don't lose Miles Bridges for nothing, and continue to push hard towards the playoffs. Right now their odds don't look great, but with the play in you can sneak in there as a 10th seed and earn your place with only 2 good games, so it's not out of the question either.

[John B]

Bummer.
Bottom line it doesn't really matter, but it is a bummer. Thanks for sharing.

Yup that was June 29.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/spurs-jeremy-sochan-recovers-from-covid-19/

Sochan has been unable to practice with the Spurs (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/SA/san-antonio-spurs/) after recently testing positive for COVID-19, according to Tom Osborn of the San Antonio Express-News. He returned to the Spurs' facilities Tuesday and will join the team in Las Vegas for the 2022 NBA 2k23 Summer League, independent NBA writer Matthew Tynan reports.
This will ultimately be a small blip to the start of Sochan's professional career, but his inability to take part in practice since being drafted two weeks ago means that he's a candidate to spend more time spectating in Las Vegas than participating. Looking further ahead, Sochan will likely spend his rookie season in a reserve role behind Keldon Johnson.

[rjv]

in a nutshell, sochan has cleared one part of protocol in that he is no longer positive for COVID and can be around the team. he has not cleared the conditioning part of protocol as of yet and this would be what would keep him out of playing in the summer league, unless he can clear this hurdle in time to participate in a game or two.

[spurs10]

Glad Sochan is at least with them.

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Haha I feel you. Would you be okay with the Spurs drafting him at 9 or nah?

Yes, he was my top pick at 9 (assuming Murray and Mathurian were gone as most, but not all boards projected).

I then wanted Daniels then Sochan. Daniels was gone at 8. We then passed on Dieng, and got Sochan who I think will be great and with whom I'm very happy. (This isn't the same for me as us passing on Sengun last year to move up for Primo way ahead of where he was slotted). OKC then traded 3 FR picks to move back up and get. He'll be fine. More than fine.

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Yup that was June 29.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/spurs-jeremy-sochan-recovers-from-covid-19/

Sochan has been unable to practice with the Spurs (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/teams/SA/san-antonio-spurs/) after recently testing positive for COVID-19, according to Tom Osborn of the San Antonio Express-News. He returned to the Spurs' facilities Tuesday and will join the team in Las Vegas for the 2022 NBA 2k23 Summer League, independent NBA writer Matthew Tynan reports.
This will ultimately be a small blip to the start of Sochan's professional career, but his inability to take part in practice since being drafted two weeks ago means that he's a candidate to spend more time spectating in Las Vegas than participating. Looking further ahead, Sochan will likely spend his rookie season in a reserve role behind Keldon Johnson.

The last sentenceis what royally pisses me off. Behind Keldon Johnson means Pop is still trying to make Keldon a 4. Everyone on this board knows Keldon is misplaced there.

[Mr. Body]

The last sentenceis what royally pisses me off. Behind Keldon Johnson means Pop is still trying to make Keldon a 4. Everyone on this board knows Keldon is misplaced there.

That's CBS saying this. They have no idea what the team is going to do.

[John B]

The last sentenceis what royally pisses me off. Behind Keldon Johnson means Pop is still trying to make Keldon a 4. Everyone on this board knows Keldon is misplaced there.

Yeah I wanted to delete but part of the article.

Well Chinook thinks McD and Keldon will still be at 3 and 4. But I’m with you. I don’t want Keldon at 4 especially since we also picked up Roby. But again, I think they should start Sochan from day 1 especially if Poeltl is playing next to him. Though it might even be harder to move McD and his salary unless they showcase him. I don’t know.

[Seventyniner]

The Detroit pick is guaranteed to convey, given the length and decreasing nature of its protections. The Charlotte pick is not, our best bet is to hope is they don't lose Miles Bridges for nothing, and continue to push hard towards the playoffs. Right now their odds don't look great, but with the play in you can sneak in there as a 10th seed and earn your place with only 2 good games, so it's not out of the question either.

That's where the difference between 1-16 and 1-14 protections comes in. Sneaking into the playoffs via the play-in all but guarantees the #15 or #16 pick.

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Haha I feel you. Would you be okay with the Spurs drafting him at 9 or nah?

Yes, he was my top pick at 9 (assuming Murray and Mathurian were gone as most, but not all boards projected).

I then wanted Daniels then Sochan. Daniels was gone at 8. We then passed on Dieng, and got Sochan who I think will be great and with whom I'm very happy. (This isn't the same for me as us passing on Sengun last year to move up for Primo way ahead of where he was slotted). OKC then traded 3 FR picks to move back up and get. He'll be fine. More than fine.

[exstatic]

Yeah I wanted to delete but part of the article.

Well Chinook thinks McD and Keldon will still be at 3 and 4. But I’m with you. I don’t want Keldon at 4 especially since we also picked up Roby. But again, I think they should start Sochan from day 1 especially if Poeltl is playing next to him. Though it might even be harder to move McD and his salary unless they showcase him. I don’t know.

Roby isn’t NEAR good enough to displace an acknowledged undersized Keldon. KJ just shits all over him.

Kawhi didn’t start out of training camp. He got the nod 20ish games in.

[Ariel]

That's where the difference between 1-16 and 1-14 protections comes in. Sneaking into the playoffs via the play-in all but guarantees the #15 or #16 pick.
Hence why I said "the Charlotte pick as a 2 year bet they make the playoffs (the 2 seasons after next)" because I'm assuming it's next to impossible it conveys in 2023 under those guarantees. 2024/2025 via play in is our best bet.

[Seventyniner]

Hence why I said "the Charlotte pick as a 2 year bet they make the playoffs (the 2 seasons after next)" because I'm assuming it's next to impossible it conveys in 2023 under those guarantees. 2024/2025 via play in is our best bet.

Gotcha. With Burning Bridges gone, it's very hard to see the Hornets making the top 6 in the East this year.

[exstatic]

Gotcha. With Burning Bridges gone, it's very hard to see the Hornets making the top 6 in the East this year.
They don’t have to finish in the top6 in the East, they have to finish with the 14th or better overall NBA record, and not lose a playin game. The draft isn’t compartmentalized by conference. Their pick would just have to be between 17 and 30, regardless of conference standings. The could finish 8th if there are 2 WC teams that have worse records, but make the playoffs, and they don’t lose the play in.

[wildbill2u]

Agreed, he's definitely going to need more weight on that frame to withstand a grueling season in the NBA

Adding weight on such a tall skinny frame can be a two-edged sword. These freakishly tall skinny guys can be very vulnerable to overloading those bones, especially feet, with lots more weight and muscle. Perhaps The most memorable player who had enormous problems with his feet was Bill Walton, but remember Gred Oden, Andrew Bynum, and Brad Daugherty should be on that list of bigs whose physical structure simply wasn't capable of supporting their playing skills and requirements over a long career. There are others who soldiered on with injuries, but may have never found the peak stardom of a long career.

[SpursFan86]

Sochan ruled out for all of Summer League…sigh

[spurraider21]

Undrafted Lofton giving Chet the business. It is Summer League, but the weight is definitely a problem for Chet’s defense.
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fitst one definitely looked like an offensive foul tbh, based on how he was using his off arm

[Ariel]

They don’t have to finish in the top6 in the East, they have to finish with the 14th or better overall NBA record, and not lose a playin game. The draft isn’t compartmentalized by conference. Their pick would just have to be between 17 and 30, regardless of conference standings. The could finish 8th if there are 2 WC teams that have worse records, but make the playoffs, and they don’t lose the play in.
Well... technically they don't have to have the 14th or better overall record either. They could have the 6th record in the East and have every Western team have a better record than every Eastern team, so they'd have the 21st best record and still pick at 17 because the 7th and 8th seed in the East would pick 15 & 16. You'd have a better chance of Putin winning Nobel Peace Prize, but still :lol

[Mugen]

Sochan OUT all of Summer League

So dumb tbh :lol

[Seventyniner]

They don’t have to finish in the top6 in the East, they have to finish with the 14th or better overall NBA record, and not lose a playin game. The draft isn’t compartmentalized by conference. Their pick would just have to be between 17 and 30, regardless of conference standings. The could finish 8th if there are 2 WC teams that have worse records, but make the playoffs, and they don’t lose the play in.

You're right. I'm still assuming the West is better than the East overall but that hasn't been the case recently. The Hornets just need to make the playoffs and have a better record than at least 2 other playoff teams for their pick to fall outside of the top 16.

That's certainly more possible than just them finishing top 6 in the East. We might end up rooting for the West 9 or 10 seed to make the playoffs for exactly this reason.

[T Park]

Sochan OUT all of Summer League

So dumb tbh :lol


Ridiculous. Kid glove treatment of a 19 year old is insane.

[siraulo23]

wtf :lol hypr went down a little bit

but we still have primo, malachi and wesley so cant wait for tomorrow

[The Truth #6]

The Grizz have two “fat guys with skills” in Lofton and Roddy. Interesting. I like Roddy but even I was surprised they traded up to get him. Anyway.

[Mr. Body]

Eh, sucks that Sochan is out, but I was more interested in everyone else. He's more of a multiplier anyway, so the formless quality of summer league doesn't capture his skills, really.

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Ridiculous. Kid glove treatment of a 19 year old is insane.

Primo says it reinforces his belief the Spurs orhanization really cares about their players.

[K...]

Ridiculous. Kid glove treatment of a 19 year old is insane.

he's are most NBA ready pick in forever. people went insane last year wanting PRIMO in the starting line. They know what they got cuz soch is an player from a major school with plenty of tape. It's fine if he skips bc we got barlow.

[Chinook]

We have no idea if Sochan is fully recovered. I wanted to see him too, but this wasn't going to determine his future.

[TimDunkem]

Sochan OUT all of Summer League

So dumb tbh :lol
Makes no sense whatsoever.

[John B]

I guess Spurs never break protocol regardless what age.

[lefty20]

Sochan OUT all of Summer League

So dumb tbh :lol

PATFO committing to the Tank early, I like it.

Need more of these ridiculously precautionary DNPs in the reg season.

[FkLA]

OKC got another KD :wow

[Uriel]

I would understand keeping Sochan out of one or two games of summer league so he can regain his conditioning. But to keep him out of all of it? My goodness.

[itzsoweezee]

Undrafted Lofton giving Chet the business. It is Summer League, but the weight is definitely a problem for Chet’s defense.
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Regardless of anything in this video, Holmgren is still going to be an excellent help defender.

[itzsoweezee]

Sochan OUT all of Summer League

So dumb tbh :lol

Lol

I don’t even care at this point. Sochan is irrelevant as long as the Spurs are tanking hard

[BatManu20]

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[Dejounte]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DistantSpecificBlacknorwegianelkhound-size_restricted.gif

preview of the starting lineup?

wesley with the ball at the top of the key makes him look like the pg, imo

If we go according to this clip:

Pg Wesley
Sg Branham
Sf Primo
Pf Woodard
C Barlow

[Dejounte]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DistantSpecificBlacknorwegianelkhound-size_restricted.gif

preview of the starting lineup?

wesley with the ball at the top of the key makes him look like the pg, imo

If we go according to this clip:

Pg Wesley
Sg Branham
Sf Primo
Pf Woodard
C Barlow

and at the end of the play, Woodard inbounds it to Wesley to run it full court

[mystargtr34]

Looking forward to seeing Banchero and Smith, then Ivey and Sharpe in the next two games!!

[Cardinal]

Very interesting that Wesley might be the starting PG. He does fit the Dejounte mold

[emanueldavidginobili]

Sucks Sochan is out, but my first impression in a Spurs uniform I would rather have him at full capacity without any excuses.
Regardless i'm really excited to see Primo, Branham, Wesley, and Barlow. Gives more time for Barlow who is a very intriguing prospect.

[Mr. Body]

Jabri Smith looks small.

[Dejounte]

I got this hockey shit on espn and i have no idea when it’s going to end

[Mr. Body]

ESPNU

[BatManu20]

I got this hockey shit on espn and i have no idea when it’s going to end

Game is on ESPNU

[BatManu20]

Banchero is huge. Easily 6’11 at least, maybe 7’0. That report of a growth spurt was legit. L he makes Jabari Smith look small.

[mystargtr34]

Man RJ Hampton has no basketball brain. Just running around dribbling, missing open teammates, driving into traffic, taking terrible shots.

[Dejounte]

Man RJ Hampton has no basketball brain. Just running around dribbling, missing open teammates, driving into traffic, taking terrible shots.

lonnie walker redux

[BatManu20]

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[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1545231395995336705

[Dejounte]

Banchero’s got the moves. This dude is going to be a problem. Hopefully sochan can lock that shit down

[mystargtr34]

What's the over under for when this jackass Mark Jones calls someone "hotter than fish grease" in a summer league game.

[Mr. Body]

Still don't get why Orlando played their game with the first pick.

[Mr. Body]

What's the over under for when this jackass Mark Jones calls someone "hotter than fish grease" in a summer league game.

They had Tom Tolbert the other night. Man I forgot how awful he is.

[Dejounte]

Still don't get why Orlando played their game with the first pick.

Orlando got all the Rox fans hyped up about selecting Banchero. Now theyre stuck with Jabari “Rudy Gay” Smith

[BatManu20]

What's the over under for when this jackass Mark Jones calls someone "hotter than fish grease" in a summer league game.

You know it’s coming if someone gets hot :lol

[Dejounte]

Jabari already has 3 fouls :lmao

[Mr. Body]

Josh Christopher -- perfect Rockets guard. Can't see anything but the rim.

[mystargtr34]

They had Tom Tolbert the other night. Man I forgot how awful he is.

The only reason I don't mind Tom Tolbert is because he was calling the Finals in 2003 when Duncan was putting up near quadruple doubles.

[Dejounte]

Jabari not commanding any respect as a top 3 pick. These fools wont pass the ball to him at all

[PhantomDashCam]

TyTy has a terrific feel for the game. Has made some really nice passes. Has to get the body right but I can see why the Spurs liked him.

[Mr. Body]

Jabari not commanding any respect as a top 3 pick. These fools wont pass the ball to him at all

It's a disaster to be drafted by the Rockets. It's a chuck fest for their guards.

[BatManu20]

Christopher isn’t going to pass the ball tonight is he. Dude’s just chucking every time he touches it.

[mystargtr34]

Its a moot point but I wonder how close the Spurs were to taking TyTy over Blake Wesley at 25. Wesley's potential is much higher but TyTy has a higher floor.

[BatManu20]

TyTy has a terrific feel for the game. Has made some really nice passes. Has to get the body right but I can see why the Spurs liked him.

One of the biggest steals of the First Round considering they got him at 29.

[PhantomDashCam]

WTF is Kyle Kuzma wearing. Highlight of Summer League right there.

[Dejounte]

Oh man. Banchero just clowned Jabari on that play. Made him lose his dribble then blocked the shit out of him

[BatManu20]

Banchero clearly the best player on the floor. Orlando made the right decision with that #1 pick.

Tari Eason looks good defensively too, as expected. Once he cleans up that 3-point shot, I think he’s gonna be a damn good role player at this level.

[Dejounte]

Hate to go rascal with this post

but Jabari has no burst with the dribble to get by his man and he only has average handles so he cant compensate for it with that

rockets drafted a role player with the 3rd pick :lmao

[Mr. Body]

Yeah Smith was very clearly going to be a very expensive role player.

[mystargtr34]

Yeah its only one game :lol but its pretty clear to see the different levels between Banchero and Jabari.

[Mr. Body]

Caleb Houstan looks like he has decent size.

[Mr. Body]

Jabari Smith really slow reacting in help defense. He doesn't have much burst.

[BatManu20]

Banchero vs. Chet will be fun.

[mystargtr34]

Also seeing Banchero standing next to Tari Eason, who is 6'6.75" without shoes, it looks like he is at least 3, maybe 4 inches bigger. I'd say he's at least a legit 6'10" without shoes, which is huge. Legit centre height. He might even be closer to 6'11" without shoes.

[mystargtr34]

Banchero will probably be close to a 20-10-5 player his rookie year imo.

[Mr. Body]

Banchero will probably be close to a 20-10-5 player his rookie year imo.

And Orlando won't win any more games.

[Mr. Body]

Kinda feel bad for JSJ -- his team is a wreck and won't likely get any better soon culture-wise. He actually looks unselfish.

[Mnky]

Man Banchero pulling a chet and going off in his debut.

His defense has been really impressive. Man is switching at the 3 pt line and causing havoc with center height. If he plays like that every night, and not just the ones he's motivated for, he can be a real difference maker for them next year. I really like this rookie class. They're making a bunch of teams fun to look forward to watching.

Not as down on smith as others. Guy still has the Best shot, of the bigs this year. Definitely struggling with the rockets gameplan. He doesn't seem part of it at all. He's also a legit defender but his team seems all over the place.

No wonder he was so depressed when he got drafted by them. Poor kid. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Josh Christopher, Summer League legend.

[Dejounte]

Rockets are a team of players with low feel and low iq from top to bottom

[Mnky]

Eason Game IQ looks as bad as advertised. Stands out more doing silly plays than any hustle plays. Rockets really need a good coach to teach them the game. Tons of talent, no idea what to do with it.

[Dejounte]

Rockets are a team of players with low feel and low iq from top to bottom

basically this is rascal’s dream team of players with burst and athleticism but no brain

[exstatic]

Jabri Smith looks small.

We won’t know until we get to see him in photos with other players[/sarcasm]

[Mnky]

Think jabaris game looks a lot different with a real team. He was the only guy passing every possession, rest of his team were playing for a job I guess, hardly looking his way.

Banchero looks great. Also think he will benefit with the real team too. Will.be an exciting player in Orlando. League media is about to give him the Laker treatment tbh.

[BackHome]

Banchero will definitely want rookie of the year bragging rights.

[Degoat]

Caleb Houstan had a pretty solid game tbh lot of ST doubted him

[Ariel]

Here to watch Sharpe play. So far, can confirm he doesn't have a wooden leg. One concern gone, 999 left to go.

[Dejounte]

Duren got injured? How is Sharpe sitting already?

[Dejounte]

He’s back.

this detroit team is going to be good with the Cade / Ivey / Hayes trio

[Dejounte]

Wtf? Sharpe back in street clothes after playing a couple minutes lmfao

[TeKu]

Duren looks really nice!

[Ditty]

Sharpe looked like he injured his forearm earlier.

[Mr. Body]

Sharpe hasn't played in well over a year, unsurprising he's only gone a few minutes.

Ivey is going to get hurt in this league.

Duren looks great. Unbelievable Charlotte sold him so quickly and cheaply. I doubt they even announced he was available.

[John B]

Ivey to Duren. Ivey has that burst ala Ja out there.

[John B]

Ivey showtime!

[John B]

Ivey showcasing

[John B]

I thought that boy Jabari Walker looks familiar, son of ex-Spur and member of 1999 champion Samaki.

[mystargtr34]

Shaedon Sharpe playing 6 minutes total is such a Shaedon Sharpe thing to happen

[John B]

Detroit would be fun to watch

[tim_duncan_fan]

How did Duren look overall?

Late night worries: did we use the 9th pick on a defensive role player?

[John B]

Man Ivey with burst and can fly. This kid is fun to watch.

[John B]

How did Duren look overall?

Late night worries: did we use the 9th pick on a defensive role player?

Duren didn't even play the 2nd half I think.

Nah, Sochan is so much more than just a defensive guy. It's messed up we don't get to see him sooner

[tim_duncan_fan]

Duren didn't even play the 2nd half I think.

Nah, Sochan is so much more than just a defensive guy. It's messed up we don't get to see him sooner

Hope you and PATFO are right

[Dejounte]

Sharpe to undergo MRI on his shoulder

you cant make this stuff up

his conditioning is probably poor because he’s lazy and uninspired

[KingKev]

Free Lil Shine!!!!

[Ice009]

Man Ivey with burst and can fly. This kid is fun to watch.

Darn, good on him. I don't like reading this as Jaden Ivey is the guy I wanted most in the draft. Maybe I would have went Banchero, but the Spurs never had a shot at trading for the number one pick. I thought the Spurs could have had a realistic shot at the number 4 pick, though, and possibly could have gotten Ivey with it.

[John B]

Darn, good on him. I don't like reading this as Jaden Ivey is the guy I wanted most in the draft. Maybe I would have went Banchero, but the Spurs never had a shot at trading for the number one pick. I thought the Spurs could have had a realistic shot at the number 4 pick, though, and possibly could have gotten Ivey with it.

Nah Sochan is what the Spurs need and a better all-around player. Yeah there was a possession there his guy blew by Ivey and went scathed to the rim. Ivey will be fun to watch alright, but so is Sochan on how he affects the game on both sides of the court. Not only Sochan will be a defensive anchor of the team, like a Gorilla tape plugging all defensive leaks, but more especially once the coaching staff develops his Point Forward skills, Sochan would be so much special.

[Rocalcio]

And because the Spurs had a lot of Frenchies on their team in recent years.

Hopefully another one is coming.

[Degoat]

I’ve got a feeling Wesley is going to really impress during the SL, I’m excited!

[Russ]

Car's gassed up and I'm out the door to see Malaki Branham (or whoever else may show up).

[MannyIsGod]

is Sochan playing today? Do we know?

[MannyIsGod]

N/m I just saw the news. Bummer.

[John B]

Car's gassed up and I'm out the door to see Malaki Branham (or whoever else may show up).

Wow have a great time :toast

[Atl Spur]

Car's gassed up and I'm out the door to see Malaki Branham (or whoever else may show up).

Enjoy! It’s a really cool experience I’m sure.

[Big Empty]

What time the Spurs play

[John B]

What time the Spurs play

5pm EST / vs Cavs / NBATV