Latest Spurs Trade Rumors Before the 2022 NBA Draft [Archive] - Page 2

objective

06-23-2022, 05:24 AM

Dieng had offers from France Pro A, one by the Paris basketball team ( according to the coach himself) but he choosed to go to Australia. It could be for money, it could be for showcasing himself.

But he had offers in France.

And I suppose I didn't explain things enough

But yes, the Showcasing is what it is, but it's a 'scam', and a good one Or rather, playing NBA teams for suckers.

I don't think those guys would have been as successful as standing out against the backdrop of the talent in the French league.

Each of the guys I named, who did play the showcase game successfully, were over drafted. Their potential was an illusion, buoyed by something in the makeup of NBA media and teams that sees French players in other leagues that subconsciously equals, "They were too good for France and had to stretch their talents elsewhere".

But 8 suspect it's a farce, a trick played on the NBA by smart players and their agents.

RC_Drunkford

06-23-2022, 05:31 AM

I assume this were the Hawks reaching out. If the Spurs really want Collins they should reach out to Indy to see what they want for Brogdon and make it a 3-team deal. I think ATL would do Brogdon for Collins straight up.

If the Spurs trade DJ they have basically admitted that what they did the past 5 years was idiotic

rascal

06-23-2022, 06:19 AM

Not the only site. Many are down on him. DeanonDraft's take is a doozy (https://deanondraft.com/2022/06/18/what-does-the-shaedon-sharpe-mystery-box-contain/

From towards the end of his analysis... "even in late round 1 or early round 2 I would rather take a high IQ non-athlete like Trevor Keels over a dunce like Sharpe."

He's a fool and wrong as Sharpe is going inside the top 10.

RC_Drunkford

06-23-2022, 06:25 AM

What‘s also funny is that the last trade discussion around John Collins was centered around Harrison Barnes :lol Hawks are probably just trying to increase the price by leaking this info

Mr. Body

06-23-2022, 06:27 AM

What‘s also funny is that the last trade discussion around John Collins was centered around Harrison Barnes :lol Hawks are probably just trying to increase the price by leaking this info

Yep. This is how you create a market. Or try to.

Maddog

06-23-2022, 06:29 AM

Interesting
I understand the argument for trading Murray
Having watched a lot of Collins- I don't see the attraction. Also, if he's so good why is Atlanta trying offload him?

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 07:21 AM

Dieng had offers from France Pro A, one by the Paris basketball team ( according to the coach himself) but he choosed to go to Australia. It could be for money, it could be for showcasing himself.

But he had offers in France.
I think Lamelo and Giddey succeeding there, could have influenced him.

Still, he remains for me a very risky project with high bust potential. His highlights look good, until you realize he cant really shoot and only the few shots he made are in those clips. Talk about misleading.

He reminds me of Samanic in being a player with a lot of theoretical skills that aren't really good enough, also in being showcased as a shooter that can’t shoot.

His upside is also not sky high for such a risk. He has roleplayer potential. Hes at best Batum, but Batum was much better at his age and had a better shot. The odds are he’s below Batum level. TBH, I don’t even like him with 20 bc he has no bankable skill.

Ultimate boom or bust projects are why teams end up with a bust taken in the lottery gambling on upside and youth on guys that dont have a single skill they can contribute right away, while passing up better players bc they are older or have a perceived flaw like shorter arms than desired, tweener size, or character. Still those flawed guys have skill, and can play basketball. They end up panning out somewhere. Their flaw wasn’t that they can’t play basketball well enough.

This is one case where being super young is misleading as a positive. You let him get away with things that in a year or two will drop him completely from your board. If he doesn't develop you don't have a player that can do anything well. A lot of things need to go right to hit on this one. That is why I would not take him this high.

A caveat, Spurs may think his shot is fixable to get him at 9. That is one of those things where time will tell. If he's drafted I hope they are right.

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 07:27 AM

Interesting
I understand the argument for trading Murray
Having watched a lot of Collins- I don't see the attraction. Also, if he's so good why is Atlanta trying offload him?
I suppose they wan at assets for him to trade to the Spurs for Murray.

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 07:52 AM

Trading DeJounte now is trading him at his all time peak value, and most likely the highest trade value he will ever have tbh. 2 years left on a great team friendly contract, just came off an all-star season.

Nailing this move could set the Spurs up well.

The significance of this rumor for me is that it marks the beginning of a process where he will ultimately end up being traded. It can be a year from now, but it's probably happening. It doesn’t even have to end up being to ATL. Manny could be interested to, which is why they need to turn D’Angelo into other assets the Spurs want.

Spurs aren't keeping Murray long term. They are in the first couple of years of a rebuild that they chose to make slow and gradual. Murray is a player in his prime that is growing tired of losing. I don’t see the Spurs making win now moves to appease him, because they remain knee deep in a slow rebuild. They dont really want to tank, and are open to fleecing moves like Derricks. They are not above trading anyone but they expect a haul. On the flip side, they aren’t making efforts to sign any significant FA and dont want to give up a single asset to add talent like gong after Ayton for example. (And this is just an example)

Basically they are in the business of collecting assets, drafting and developing youngins until they hit. Murray will outgrow that.

I was in shock bc I have talked about this for a while, and yet when it became a mainstream topic my main reaction was denial. Truth is, Id rather keep Murray, but I already see the way this is going, and I want the Spurs to get a.haul for him. To set themselves up for a rebuild like New Orleans. Lost a lot of talent, but were able to rebuild a team with a ton of assets gathered. Grizzlies kind of the same after trading Gasol and Conley — they were lucky in getting Ja — but they collected assets and drafted well and turned things around quickly.

The mistake would be holding on to him past the point where he can continue to tolerate the losing and then there is urgency. Still I dont expect a trade to happen quickly at all. Spurs have leverage here. It took a while to trade White, Murray will take longer.

Ice009

06-23-2022, 09:21 AM

I think this is complete BS But…… DJs value is at an all time high, could be some problems behind the scenes we don’t know about. The Instagram post about Udoka and the person who didn’t believe in him, and the playin game. Him getting into foul trouble early and if he acted poorly in the Lockeroom could have made the spurs start second guessing his long term fit with the team. None the less I can’t see us trading him now.

When was the locker room thing? Was this against NO? Also, someone else mentioned a spat with Pop on the bench? When did those things happen as I don't remember said incidents.

mookie2001

06-23-2022, 09:27 AM

Timvp DO NOT listen to Mac Miller today.

poopbox

06-23-2022, 09:28 AM

:lol at Dejounte getting traded. It would probably take a great young player and 3 unprotected lottery picks to make that happen. No team has that type of capital except for OKC and Houston and neither one is trading for Murray.

Spurs tend to do the opposite of this. We didn't hear anything about White until he was traded. Murray name being in the wind is against the spurs MO.

Not to say he won't ever be traded. But it's not happening anytime soon. The spurs aren't that far away from being a perennial playoff team. Just need to get a real pf and real center. They can do both this year.

rjv

06-23-2022, 09:33 AM

. . . . for example, trading 25 and 38 to move up a couple spots to get a player they really like is a no-brainer due to their vast collection of picks.

i'd be okay with this or, better yet, the spurs trading the 9th and 20th to move up just a couple of spots and possibly grabbing mathurin.

John B

06-23-2022, 09:35 AM

It’s uncharacteristics of the Spurs to be taking calls on their no. 1 guy, letting know he’s available. I agree with Sagirl that DJ will eventually get moved, and it doesn’t have to be today. I think DH has expressed frusrations, and the PATFO is catering on his demands and getting the best haul for him. I think if they would do it, they should it before the draft and leverage them on the players that they want. Personally, I would welcome a pairing of Ivey and Collins by the end of the day, however the PATFO work on the details, or a Davis and Collins. Personally I see Davis as having the bigger upsides than Murray. I’ve discussed before that I believe Murray has reached his ceiling and will just improve marginally. DJ is a borderline All-Star. He avoids contact ariund the rim, preventing him from getting to the line more. He settles on the elbow shot and crossover, relatively less effective in closing the game and playoffs situation. While Davis relishes contacts, where he earns 25% of his points. But more so, I think Davis is the better leader. Honestly I’m tired of DJ’s twitter-happy fingers, not very Spursy. I think DJ pads stats to get individual glory. That MIP award was on his head, and steals leader. Many times I see him gable for a steal, and gets burned with his guy blowing him by. These are not Big 3 characteristics, who could care less if their names are mentioned in the nightly highlights.

I think we will see some trades uncharacteristics of the Spurs. And it started with Derrick. Poeltl will be moved. The roster was just flawed from the Kawhi debacle that the PATFO to patch, but it doesn’t work. And I have a feeling they have decided to overhaul it finally. Buckle up Spurs fan!

Chinook

06-23-2022, 09:38 AM

Both White and Murray have been in trade rumors -- even to Atlanta -- for years now. I do think this rumor is baseless, but it comes from a logical place.

Also, Murray's not going to go for a superstar package.

BacktoBasics

06-23-2022, 09:50 AM

Murray isn't really that far out of the timeline. If you're going to have a impactful player that is older than the timeline you want to be the pg anyway. He has many good years ahead of him and I don't believe he's at peak value today anymore than he would be this time next year.

This team is one good player away from making the playoffs and a star away from being a threat to get past the second round. Unless its an absurd haul I don't see any reason to move DJ. This draft and offseason has the potential to move the needle and it would be worth at least getting to the trade line or next years off season to find out.

manufan10

06-23-2022, 09:50 AM

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JuneJive

06-23-2022, 09:51 AM

#Cavs have had conversations with San Antonio about Murray going back to February at the trade deadline, when they also inquired about Derrick White.

Ariel

06-23-2022, 09:56 AM

Holiday was 30 and was on his final year of contract when he was traded.
Dejounte is 25 and has one of the most team friendly contracts in the league. 16M, 17M next two years.
We should be getting more than the Holiday deal.
Agreed. Plus not all firsts are created equal, getting 3 firsts from a team that is playoff bound in that timespan, isn't all that enticing to me. You need multiple tries + years of development, and once you get there you don't give it away. I'm not opposed to a trade if it brings something we REALLY need, but it better be "an offer we can't refuse".

RC_Drunkford

06-23-2022, 10:08 AM

Spurs should still try to get Collins without involving Murray, Keldon or Vassell tbh

Seventyniner

06-23-2022, 10:12 AM

Mugen

06-23-2022, 10:15 AM

Spurs should still try to get Collins without involving Murray, Keldon or Vassell tbh

This. Such a no brainer that I'm confident it isn't even on Wright's radar :lol

cd98

06-23-2022, 10:25 AM

I don't see the logic in the Collins/Murray trade for the Spurs, unless they don't think he's worth paying. I would say Atlanta would have to give up a lot more than Collins.

John B

06-23-2022, 10:29 AM

Spurs should still try to get Collins without involving Murray, Keldon or Vassell tbh

That one might require a help from a Jedi

Chinook

06-23-2022, 10:30 AM

Do you consider the Jrue Holiday package to be that of a superstar?

No, I consider a great young player and three unprotected lotto picks a superstar package.

I don't think the Spurs want a Jrue package either, to be fair. They'd want something concrete rather than just "value". They didn't do that with White, and I think they regret it. If Murray's not traded today, I don't think he'll be traded before next off-season/draft.

BatManu20

06-23-2022, 10:32 AM

stephen jackson

06-23-2022, 10:34 AM

If we wanted Collins that bad why didn’t we just sign him last year , stupid man spurs don Harris confirmed it was talked about idk what they doing but Collins isn’t a franchise player alongside dj yes but not trade dj for him, unless spurs have fallen in love with a pg in this draft which may be the case

Ariel

06-23-2022, 10:34 AM

No, I consider a great young player and three unprotected lotto picks a superstar package.

I don't think the Spurs want a Jrue package either, to be fair. They'd want something concrete rather than just "value". They didn't do that with White, and I think they regret it. If Murray's not traded today, I don't think he'll be traded before next off-season/draft.
If the Spurs are willing to trade Murray, it'll be when the right offer appears, and that exceeds us. Might be at the trade deadline, usually some team is desperate enough to massively overpay.

KingKev

06-23-2022, 10:40 AM

Do you consider the Jrue Holiday package to be that of a superstar?

It was extensive and at the time looked like an overpay.

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 11:22 AM

… We didn't hear anything about White until he was traded. Murray name being in the wind is against the spurs MO.

Not to say he won't ever be traded. But it's not happening anytime soon. The spurs aren't that far away from being a perennial playoff team. Just need to get a real pf and real center. They can do both this year.
Sorry to burst your bubble poopbox but I have to point out that Murray and White both were rumored to be in trade talks before last season started after Derozan was trade. The Spurs weren’t selling them, or putting them on the market cheaply, but they had interest around the league and the rumor was that teams were calling and the Spurs were asking for a lot. Nowhere was it said they weren’t open to trading them, and they also didn’t deny it.

Eventually they found a trade for White that complied with their requests. It didnt happen that same summer, but it happened within the year.

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 11:30 AM

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Well this at least confirms that Fischer wasnt selling a lie…. Atlanta not having the assets to give the Spurs, or being unwilling to, but then leaking it to the media..

IMO to get Murray’s eyes on the situation.

Dex

06-23-2022, 11:40 AM

Dejounte is petty and takes things personally. He’s talked nonstop about wanting to be a Spur for a long time. So he’s probably not real happy to be seeing his name involved in a bunch of potential trades tbh. Just waiting for him to unfollow the Spurs on social media now :lol

He’ll still re-sign here in two years if we offer him the Max, but that’s a whole other conversation that needs to be had.

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Yeah, I'm proud of Murray's progress and him become an All-Star and all that...but dude needs to realize he is not untouchable. In fact, there are very few guys in this league that are untouchable, and that short list includes the likes of Curry, Giannis, Joker, Luka, LeBron, Embiid, etc. We are talking MVP level guys.

Murray needs to realize he is not at their level.

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 11:58 AM

Do you consider the Jrue Holiday package to be that of a superstar?
Jrue was no superstar but context matters. He went to a team that was making the ultimate desperate win now moves to retain Giannis Antetokoumpo. He wouldnt have been worth that deal in any other situation and at the time everyone was shocked Milwaukee gave up that much for him. It turned out well for them. I love stories with a happy ending. I have been happier for Giannis and team winning a year ago than I have been for any other team winning since the Spurs in 2014.

(My next team I am rooting for is Grizzlies. I dont know if they will get there, but Id definitely be happy to see them succeed).

Anyways, context matters. Even White went for a deal that was perceived and seems, for a player of his caliber, as a ton. He also went to a contender that needed and wanted to make win now moves.

We shall see what happens with Murray. He can be worth a lot in the right situation.

rjv

06-23-2022, 12:01 PM

Jrue was no superstar but context matters. He went to a team that was making the ultimate desperate win now moves to retain Giannis Antetokoumpo. He wouldnt have been worth that deal in any other situation and at the time everyone was shocked Milwaukee gave up that much for him. It turned out well for them. I love stories with a happy ending. I have been happier for Giannis and team winning a year ago than I have been for any other team winning since the Spurs in 2014.

(My next team I am rooting for is Grizzlies. I dont know if they will get there, but Id definitely be happy to see them succeed).

Anyways, context matters. Even White went for a deal that was perceived and seems, for a player of his caliber, as a ton. He also went to a contender that needed and wanted to make win now moves.

We shall see what happens with Murray. He can be worth a lot in the right situation.

yeah, i was too. the bucks are my team on the side.

DC23

06-23-2022, 12:24 PM

Dejounte Murray's father weighs in -

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poopbox

06-23-2022, 12:37 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble poopbox but I have to point out that Murray and White both were rumored to be in trade talks before last season started after Derozan was trade. The Spurs weren’t selling them, or putting them on the market cheaply, but they had interest around the league and the rumor was that teams were calling and the Spurs were asking for a lot. Nowhere was it said they weren’t open to trading them, and they also didn’t deny it.

Eventually they found a trade for White that complied with their requests. It didnt happen that same summer, but it happened within the year.

There's a difference between rumors of trade talks and actual trade talks. I mean last year there were "rumors" the lakers would trade lebron, which we know isn't happening unless he says so since he pretty much runs the team.

I'd go so far as to say Dejounte would be more likely to just not sign another contract with the spurs after the next 2 years than he is to get traded by the spurs. The only teams that would have the haul we would want, which would be a really good young player and at least 3 nearly unprotected lottery picks, are teams like houston and okc, and they are trying to tank so they have no interest in a player like dejounte who will help them win more than they want.

Collins for Murray and anything else Atlanta has is a very stupid trade. Collins for anything Cleveland has other than Evan Mobley is a stupid trade and even if they did that trade we should be getting every first round pick the cavs can legally give us.

And the writing was kind of on the wall for Derrick or Lonnie last year when we drafted Primo...

dbestpro

06-23-2022, 12:45 PM

Mr. Body

06-23-2022, 12:47 PM

Dejounte Murray's father weighs in -

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Damn, now I feel like the rumor was complete smoke screen.

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 01:17 PM

Dejounte Murray's father weighs in -

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He made peace with his son. That was a really good story Murray shared of him making peace with his father. Appreciate him reaching out to fans. DJ cant get in on this other than eyes and popcorn emoji.

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 01:19 PM

There's a difference between rumors of trade talks and actual trade talks. I mean last year there were "rumors" the lakers would trade lebron, which we know isn't happening unless he says so since he pretty much runs the team.

I'd go so far as to say Dejounte would be more likely to just not sign another contract with the spurs after the next 2 years than he is to get traded by the spurs. The only teams that would have the haul we would want, which would be a really good young player and at least 3 nearly unprotected lottery picks, are teams like houston and okc, and they are trying to tank so they have no interest in a player like dejounte who will help them win more than they want.

Collins for Murray and anything else Atlanta has is a very stupid trade. Collins for anything Cleveland has other than Evan Mobley is a stupid trade and even if they did that trade we should be getting every first round pick the cavs can legally give us.

And the writing was kind of on the wall for Derrick or Lonnie last year when we drafted Primo...
I agree with you. This trade was not a serious trade I think. The Spurs asked for a ton, same as Philly was asking for 4 first rounds picks for a Ben Simmons that was a malcontent and refused to play. It doesnt mean more serious attempts can be made behind closed doors.

John B

06-23-2022, 01:21 PM

Sorry to burst your bubble poopbox but I have to point out that Murray and White both were rumored to be in trade talks before last season started after Derozan was trade. The Spurs weren’t selling them, or putting them on the market cheaply, but they had interest around the league and the rumor was that teams were calling and the Spurs were asking for a lot. Nowhere was it said they weren’t open to trading them, and they also didn’t deny it.

Eventually they found a trade for White that complied with their requests. It didnt happen that same summer, but it happened within the year.

I’m just curious that White was still shocked when traded if rumors were there and the FO was not denying then. Because usually the FO would just nip that, to not create distraction to the team. But I agree that Murray would eventually get moved. It’s so uncharacteristic of the Spurs to have that rumor circling around, that Murray could be available on a Jrue Holiday type of haul. That to me means that PATFO is ready to part with DJ, maybe catering to his frustrations, maybe fed-up with his twitter-happy fingers. The Kawhi debacle was just a few years ago, and mostly the reason why the Spurs had such a flawed lineup. For sure that’s on their mind, to prevent anything remotely similar happening without getting the haul that they want. Again, I agree Murray’s days are numbered. And the FO is hard on working to get this right.

poopbox

06-23-2022, 01:30 PM

Damn, now I feel like the rumor was complete smoke screen.

Of course it was. Nothing more than Atlanta trying to drive the price up for Collins. Trying to get teams interested in him to pony up because "we might trade him for an all star"

SAGirl

06-23-2022, 01:34 PM

I’m just curious that White was still shocked when traded if rumors were there and the FO was not denying then. Because usually the FO would just nip that, to not create distraction to the team. But I agree that Murray would eventually get moved. It’s so uncharacteristic of the Spurs to have that rumor circling around, that Murray could be available on a Jrue Holiday type of haul. That to me means that PATFO is ready to part with DJ, maybe catering to his frustrations, maybe fed-up with his twitter-happy fingers. The Kawhi debacle was just a few years ago, and mostly the reason why the Spurs had such a flawed lineup. For sure that’s on their mind, to prevent anything remotely similar happening without getting the haul that they want. Again, I agree Murray’s days are numbered. And the FO is hard on working to get this right.

The FO is not going to nip rumors bc truth is probably they are picking up the phone and hearing offers all the time. Its like Demar not hearing that the Raptors trading him until it was a done deal. Teams dont generally want those to leak because a lot of trades get really close and then fail to go through, and they dont want players finding out if nothing happened.

Usually when you learn of a trade in the media its usually something that was discussed but its now dead, and yet one of the parties has interest in leaking it for some reason.

Also, the fact this particular trade didnt go down, doesnt mean others arent being discussed constantly, or revisited.

Some players learn of their trades through a Woj tweet unfortunately. I think Haliburton also said his trade to Indiana caught him by surprise.

Teams usually don't leak anything that is real. Even the most minor thing like calling an agent to tell him a trade is going down that then fails at the last moment can have horrible consequences.

REmember the beginning of Simmons becoming a malcontent in Philly started when he was told privately that he was traded. Allegedly he was packing or something (memory is fuzzy) getting ready to travel to new team, when the trade didn't go through for something I cant remember. But he knew he was almost traded, and from there on, knew the team wasn't committed to him. He finished the season, and then the rest is what it is. When they didn't win and he got criticism he said he didn't have to cooperate with raising his value for a trade and that was on the FO and things got worse from there.

I bet there are a lot of almost trades that don't go down. Why was this one leaked? This was not a Spur leak. It had to be ATL, to raise the interest in Collins maybe? Or some calculation for the future. Ruffling feathers and seeing if someone falls.

Leetonidas

06-23-2022, 01:35 PM

Very quiet so far today...

John B

06-23-2022, 01:37 PM

Murray is a great player, but the question I always ask myself is "does he make the other players around him better?" Because we have not seen that without a doubt is one of the reasons why the Spurs will entertain offers. Trade him while the value is high.

I hate to say DJ’s a system player, because DJ can do a lot. But boy everytime Tre gets almost triple-double when he starts, makes me want to think.

One thing though. DJ doesn’t get double-triple team, nobody on the current roster, to create open man. It would have to be a motion offense, crisp passing and that takes meticulous practices, no margin of error. That’s why if it doesn’t work early, they find themselves in a deep hole. And being a young team who don’t have the experience to hang their hat on, starts playing isolation games. Can DJ ever ascend to that level? Not if he keeps settling elbow shots, crossover jumpshots. Nobody double-team that. It’s too predictable and relatively easier to depend on close games and playoffs
situations.

I hate to keep going back to Davis. But he has dribble penetration, sucking double-triple team. That’s an All-Star if he can develop that even more. I think Davis is an underrated passer because of a lack of better teammates in Wisconsin. That’s why if ever DJ gets moved, I think Davis can take some of the PG responsibilities along with Primo or whoever.

KobesAchilles

06-23-2022, 02:09 PM

I mean if we aren’t willing to pay DJ $40 million a year then why are we going to hang on to him? He’s at his all time max value trade wise. He hasn’t led us really anywhere except being mediocre. Ivey is a hell of an interesting project. Even if he’s a bust the thought of his potential alone has to give us pause. Plus this French guy is supposedly the next sure thing. People are as high on him as Luka. And getting rid of just DJ gives us a shot to pick him next year and a real one at that. That being said, we better not end up with Collins. That dude is trash.

slick'81

06-23-2022, 02:09 PM

Seems like a whole lotta bs but well see

Ron Swanson

06-23-2022, 03:05 PM

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We need a Harris/TSpence source-off today.

objective

06-23-2022, 03:31 PM

Murray is a great player, but the question I always ask myself is "does he make the other players around him better?" Because we have not seen that without a doubt is one of the reasons why the Spurs will entertain offers. Trade him while the value is high.

The question I would ask is what can he become with more help. I don't mean star players, but a vertical threat big. Derrick White in San Antonio threw very few lobs gets to Boston and it increases several hundred percent, left and right to the Boston bigs.

Murray put up sky high numbers without any vertical help, and it's amazing. How much better can be be with a release valve like that?

John B

06-23-2022, 04:02 PM

The question I would ask is what can he become with more help. I don't mean star players, but a vertical threat big. Derrick White in San Antonio threw very few lobs gets to Boston and it increases several hundred percent, left and right to the Boston bigs.

Murray put up sky high numbers without any vertical help, and it's amazing. How much better can be be with a release valve like that?

Tre almost averaged triple-doubles everytime he starts. I’m not saying DJ is not a good rebounder, defender. But he is closer to a system-player in San Antonio offense imo. Have you seen him bounce-pass on traffic? Make a wrap-around pass on traffic, throw a lob amidst crowd like CP0 and Trae do? Nope. DJ is not a true point guard and NOT indispensable at that position. So it wouldn’t help him dramatically with a better target. Sure he will be open more. DJ will be a 2nd or 3rd option. and it will help him getting open, not being option.

objective

06-23-2022, 04:27 PM

Tre almost averaged triple-doubles everytime he starts. I’m not saying DJ is not a good rebounder, defender. But he is closer to a system-player in San Antonio offense imo. Have you seen him bounce-pass on traffic? Make a wrap-around pass on traffic, throw a lob amidst crowd like CP0 and Trae do? Nope. DJ is not a true point guard and NOT indispensable at that position. So it wouldn’t help him dramatically with a better target. Sure he will be open more. DJ will be a 2nd or 3rd option. and it will help him getting open, not being option.

I see him make bounce passes all the damn time because Poeltl needs it at his waist

Let's see Trae Young try to throw lobs to the Spurs bigs, it ain't happening

Lob in a crowd for Dejounte? For who? Watch Derrick season highlights in Boston, lobs in crowds galore, that didn't happen in SA

John B

06-23-2022, 04:48 PM

I see him make bounce passes all the damn time because Poeltl needs it at his waist

Let's see Trae Young try to throw lobs to the Spurs bigs, it ain't happening

Lob in a crowd for Dejounte? For who? Watch Derrick season highlights in Boston, lobs in crowds galore, that didn't happen in SA

Bruh DJ is not a true PG. He might be passing assists created by pick and roll (that includes the bounce passes that you mean), but you don’t see him bounce passing on traffic like Harden, having court vision like the LaMelo. I doubt Collins joing the Spurs he’d get a lob pass from DJ, maybe from Tre Jones yeah. If you can’t distinguish a true point guard to what DJ does, then I can’t help you.

John B

06-23-2022, 04:50 PM

I see him make bounce passes all the damn time because Poeltl needs it at his waist

Let's see Trae Young try to throw lobs to the Spurs bigs, it ain't happening

Lob in a crowd for Dejounte? For who? Watch Derrick season highlights in Boston, lobs in crowds galore, that didn't happen in SA

Bruh DJ is not a true PG. He might be passing assists created by pick and roll (that includes the bounce passes that you mean), but you don’t see him bounce passing on traffic like Harden, having court vision like Melo. I doubt Collins joing the Spurs he’d get a lob pass from DJ, maybe from Tre Jones yeah. If you can’t distinguish a true point guard to what DJ does, then I can’t help you.

KingKev

06-23-2022, 04:51 PM

Bruh DJ is not a true PG. He might be passing assists created by pick and roll (that includes the bounce passes that you mean), but you don’t see him bounce passing on traffic like Harden, having court vision like the LaMelo. I doubt Collins joing the Spurs he’d get a lob pass from DJ, maybe from Tre Jones yeah. If you can’t distinguish a true point guard to what DJ does, then I can’t help you.

It’s somewhere in between but lets not forget KBD dropped 30 points once and you proclaimed him the next Danny Green. You’ve had rediculous assertions on guys like Landale also.

Dejounte

06-23-2022, 04:55 PM

It’s never 25, 50, or 75 with john B

this dude goes 100 on all his takes

He’s like a tier below Atl Spur

RC_Drunkford

06-23-2022, 04:56 PM

it's funny that people here think DJ can't throw a lob pass when he did that as a rookie :lol

objective

06-23-2022, 04:57 PM

Bruh DJ is not a true PG. He might be passing assists created by pick and roll (that includes the bounce passes that you mean), but you don’t see him bounce passing on traffic like Harden, having court vision like Melo. I doubt Collins joing the Spurs he’d get a lob pass from DJ, maybe from Tre Jones yeah. If you can’t distinguish a true point guard to what DJ does, then I can’t help you.

He's not the best at every pass, I've posted before at how Primo might be the best in the team already at delivering over the top with touch, and that LMA liked playing with White more because he was better feeding the post compared to young Dejounte.

But if you can't see how he's improved and what can still improve, then that's that

KingKev

06-23-2022, 04:59 PM

Bruh DJ is not a true PG. He might be passing assists created by pick and roll (that includes the bounce passes that you mean), but you don’t see him bounce passing on traffic like Harden, having court vision like the LaMelo. I doubt Collins joing the Spurs he’d get a lob pass from DJ, maybe from Tre Jones yeah. If you can’t distinguish a true point guard to what DJ does, then I can’t help you.

It’s somewhere in between but let’s not forget KBD dropped 30 points once and you proclaimed him the next Danny Green. You’ve had ridiculous assertions on guys like Landale and choose D White over DJ because DJ got in a verbal altercation with Pop.

KingKev

06-23-2022, 05:00 PM

It’s never 25, 50, or 75 with john B

this dude goes 100 on all his takes

He’s like a tier below Atl Spur

John B’s alter ego

John B

06-23-2022, 05:15 PM

rascal

06-23-2022, 05:42 PM

slick'81

06-23-2022, 05:49 PM

The Spurs have to come down on their ridiculos trade demands if they are serious in making a trade or else they'll be rolling out the same team as last year with a couple of role player rookies added.

probably exactly what will happen,tbh. I dont mind them trying to sell high on murray but they aren't getting what they want for poodle power

baseline bum

06-23-2022, 05:51 PM

jjspur

06-23-2022, 06:01 PM

The Spurs have to come down on their ridiculos trade demands if they are serious in making a trade or else they'll be rolling out the same team as last year with a couple of role player rookies added.

They are just trying to see if any team actually bites, there are always a few dumb teams out there. But you're right. the first demands are usually quite ridiculous. Its an old negotiating ploy, something like a Jedi mind trick. It basically only fools the stupid.

BacktoBasics

06-23-2022, 06:02 PM

The Spurs have to come down on their ridiculos trade demands if they are serious in making a trade or else they'll be rolling out the same team as last year with a couple of role player rookies added.

No they don’t. This forum way over values potential against production. If they’re going to move a guy coming off a career all star year then that potential needs to come in multiple picks. We have little reason to make a move now unless it’s clearly to our benefit. Murray isn’t old or on an expiring contract. Id rather see the draft and FA shake out before I start wanting to come off any demands.

jjspur

06-23-2022, 06:03 PM

The Spurs have to come down on their ridiculos trade demands if they are serious in making a trade or else they'll be rolling out the same team as last year with a couple of role player rookies added.<br>
<br>They are just trying to see if any team actually bites, there are always a few dumb teams out there.  But you're right. the first demands are usually quite ridiculous.  Its an old negotiating ploy, something like a Jedi mind trick.  It basically only fools the stupid.

rascal

06-23-2022, 06:13 PM

Everyone on the roster is tradeable but I want no part of Murray for Collins.

That was a three team trade. I'm not high on Collins but I'd move Murray for Ivey.

rascal

06-23-2022, 06:15 PM

<br>
<br>They are just trying to see if any team actually bites, there are always a few dumb teams out there. But you're right. the first demands are usually quite ridiculous. Its an old negotiating ploy, something like a Jedi mind trick. It basically only fools the stupid.

They will be missing out as other teams will be selling off realistic offers and the Spurs will miss out because they are sending out ridiculous demands.

rascal

06-23-2022, 06:17 PM

No they don’t. This forum way over values potential against production. If they’re going to move a guy coming off a career all star year then that potential needs to come in multiple picks. We have little reason to make a move now unless it’s clearly to our benefit. Murray isn’t old or on an expiring contract. Id rather see the draft and FA shake out before I start wanting to come off any demands.

Then you're happy putting out the same team with a couple of draft picks added.

objective

06-23-2022, 06:18 PM

Lol how I touch a wrong chord with DJ’s fans.

Hey I’m not hating on DJ. But just imo DJ is NOT indispensable as a starting PG of the team. For lack of a better word, DJ is close to a “system player” when it comes to setting assist. As mentioned, Tre gets almost double-triple when he starts. Primo with better vision, I don’t doubt will be better as soon as he tighten his handles. As many of you remember, DJ didn’t have the craftiest handles when he first joined. That vision of Beverly bullying him at mid-court comes to mind.

I'm not a Dejounte Stan, I wanted him gone a couple of preseasons ago, but he keeps improving. Hell I wanted Payton II over him in the draft.

But I don't see Primo as any more of a 'true' point guard because he can't get to the rim with his slow speed and zero explosion. He can't get a step on gleague players without a screen. He'll be like Lonzo, a secondary connector and transition passer.

And if the trade is for #4 to take Ivey, well he's not more of pg than Dejounte either, he's just years behind where Dejounte is now.

ace3g

06-23-2022, 06:32 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV-WrxUXoAQA7G-?format=jpg&name=large

rascal

06-23-2022, 06:37 PM

No they don’t. This forum way over values potential against production. If they’re going to move a guy coming off a career all star year then that potential needs to come in multiple picks. We have little reason to make a move now unless it’s clearly to our benefit. Murray isn’t old or on an expiring contract. Id rather see the draft and FA shake out before I start wanting to come off any demands.

That's not how trades work where you clearly get over on the other team.

Trades have to benefit both teams and if you're only looking for trades where you clearly make better in the deal then you won't be trading anyone.

scott

06-23-2022, 06:45 PM

scott

06-23-2022, 06:45 PM

BacktoBasics

06-23-2022, 06:46 PM

Then you're happy putting out the same team with a couple of draft picks added.

Don’t be a fucking ahole. A true sign of someone’s inability to defend their comments is to put words in someone’s mouth.

It’s a worthwhile debate but not if you’re going to resort to being a child.

BacktoBasics

06-23-2022, 06:49 PM

That's not how trades work where you clearly get over on the other team.

Trades have to benefit both teams and if you're only looking for trades where you clearly make better in the deal then you won't be trading anyone.
Lopsided trades happen all the time. Being that there is no sense of urgency to make a move they can let it play out. Trading your best player at 25 when you’re probably one player away from making the playoffs comes with its own set of risks. I’d assess at the trade line and next seasons draft. I don’t think now is the time to move DJ unless it’s a no brainer.

ace3g

06-23-2022, 06:49 PM

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1540119644748390400

rascal

06-23-2022, 06:51 PM

Don’t be a fucking ahole. A true sign of someone’s inability to defend their comments is to put words in someone’s mouth.

It’s a worthwhile debate but not if you’re going to resort to being a child.

If you only want to make a trade that clearly benefits you then you aren't likely making any trades.

If you aren't making any trades you're coming back with the same team except the couple of rookies they add tonight because free agency is not likely going to get you anyone big.

BacktoBasics

06-23-2022, 07:03 PM

If you only want to make a trade that clearly benefits you then you aren't likely making any trades.

If you aren't making any trades you're coming back with the same team except the couple of rookies they add tonight because free agency is not likely going to get you anyone big.

I’ve read your post for awhile and never thought you were this dumb before. I never said that I only wanted things to be one sided. Only that now is an appropriate time to ask high. There are too many positive factors working for this team to simply settle on making a deal based on potential when we have a very solid proven piece in DJ. I reserve the right for that opinion to remain fluid and change over time.

We’d be well served to look for a player(s) to pair with him at his age before deciding that moving him for unproven assets is the right risk worth taking. We have a lot invested in him and if you’re going to have an impactful player that older than our timeline you want it to be the pg. A savvy defensive oriented vet is super important. If we build around him over the next 3 years it’ll be worth it.

Or it won’t and he’s still movable this time next year.