Dejounte Murray Trade Rumors: Will He Be Traded to the Atlanta Hawks?

[exstatic]

I see where DJ was working out 30 minutes from the Hawks facility on Saturday.

If Trae Young were working out in Kerrville, I wouldn't GAF. That's 30 minutes from the new Spurs practice facility.

[KingKev]

Newsflash ladies and gents. NBA players workout with other NBA players in the off-season. Have you not noticed DJ has been hopping with elite talent the last few summers and taking advantage of his growing stardom. He has been involved in high level runs, summits and and pro-am games the last few seasons with some of the best.

[spurs1990]

Murray would like expect a max offer once his deal is done. I don't think he's what the Spurs would consider a max player, and their history is expecting their stars to take some sort of home town deal.

The move then is to trade him now and bet on someone developing to be a worthy max player. That player would also be asked to take a haircut.

[Ice009]

If the Spurs aren't trying to trade him and were only responding to an offer the Hawks made, they need to explain it to Dejounte. I don't want him getting mad and then actually asking for a trade.

[KingKev]

Murray would like expect a max offer once his deal is done. I don't think he's what the Spurs would consider a max player, and their history is expecting their stars to take some sort of home town deal.

The move then is to trade him now and bet on someone developing to be a worthy max player. That player would also be asked to take a haircut.

This is just stupid.

[stnick2261]

We need to combine assets into AllStar players. Not splitting AllStar players into multiple assets

[KingKev]

If the Spurs aren't trying to trade him and were only responding to an offer the Hawks made, they need to explain it to Dejounte. I don't want him getting mad and then actually asking for a trade.

This isn’t his first rodeo and he is learning how the business side works. He was very clear during NBA AS interviews about that part. His response to these rumours suggests he realizes they were just that. What conversations go on behind closed doors with DJ and PATFO will be just that; behind closed doors but I seriously doubt this is enough to make him want out.

[mo7888]

We need to combine assets into AllStar players. Not splitting AllStar players into multiple assets

Ok, it sounds good in theory, but what Allstars are attainable to pair with DJ?

[stnick2261]

Ok, it sounds good in theory, but what Allstars are attainable to pair with DJ?

I don't get paid enough to know that answer. All I know is that splitting resources will continue to push back the competitive timeline.

[mo7888]

I don't get paid enough to know that answer. All I know is that splitting resources will continue to push back the competitive timeline.

It will push back the competitive timeline but, if there are no Allstars that we can acquire the timeline for being competitive sooner hasn't even started and won't start.... so in reality your we can trade DJ and push back the timeline...or keep him and remain mediocre and push the timeline back even further...

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Spurs aren't trying to trade him and were only responding to an offer the Hawks made, they need to explain it to Dejounte. I don't want him getting mad and then actually asking for a trade.

Spurs won't tell him and his agent neither. Then DJ will get mad and want out :lol

Seems like people here don't understand how an NBA franchise operates

[JPB]

I don't get paid enough to know that answer. All I know is that splitting resources will continue to push back the competitive timeline.

Right? And that's the difference between making trades on a fan board where it's not our business nor money and actually running an hundred of million dollars NBA franchise.

I mean we got Sochan at 9 this year, I like the pick but would people be happy some pick we could got for DJM would be a Sochan, or even a Kegan Murray or a Shaedon Sharpe...? Can anyone tell if these guys are or will be better than Murray Spurs years investing on and would have to go the whole process again?

[Atl Spur]

Right? And that's the difference between making trades on a fan board where it's not our business nor money and actually running an hundred of million dollars NBA franchise.

I mean we got Sochan at 9 this year, I like the pick but would people be happy some pick we could got for DJM would be a Sochan, or even a Kegan Murray or a Shaedon Sharpe...? Can anyone tell if these guys are or will be better than Murray Spurs years investing on and would have to go the whole process again?

Sochan should be better….. he’s better in some vital areas now:)

[BatManu20]

Damn is this is really about to happen. And this is a really shitty trade for us…

1541496234489307136

[BatManu20]

So not only would we not be getting John Collins back in the deal so that we could flip him elsewhere for future draft capital, we’d only be getting back the corpse of Gallinari and mid-to-late FRP’s… this would be a retarded trade on our end.

[TheChillFactor]

Gallo and a couple non-lottery picks. It must be Primo time.

[Kurik]

Damn is this is really about to happen. And this is a really shitty trade for us…

1541496234489307136

Damn, I don’t know what to think anymore. Are the first round picks that Atlanta and maybe a third team can offer us really worth it? The Spurs will still win just enough games to not be considered tanking unless they trade Poeltl as well.

[Dejounte]

Still standing by the “it’s not going to happen” stance.

I’ll personally write an apology letter to mo7888 if it does. But it won’t.

Logic just says DJ won’t make an effort to reach out to the new rooks if this was anywhere near the realm of possibility. Once the “pact” between DJ and the Spurs is broken, DJ seems like the type of dude to cut ties for good. He’s still keeping those ties when he has no reason to.

[Robz4000]

:lol there's no way this FO is retarded enough to trade Murray for trash like that, and this is coming from an outspoken critic of theirs

[Degoat]

Everybody shitted on Collins now we’re getting Gallo, FML. Lol jk

[KingKev]

:lol there's no way this FO is retarded enough to trade Murray for trash like that, and this is coming from an outspoken critic of theirs

Seriously.

Brian Wright just showed he is capable. We have enough future draft capital as is. More can be had between J Rich and other less important pieces.

[Degoat]

Pure speculation but I wonder if something happened in that locker room during the playin game, I remember DJ being really upset at the refs and maybe something happened

[Spurs9]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/vkVLmyAGIeF0jqg9hQ/giphy.gif

[Leetonidas]

Ugh, I'm going to be so pissed if the Spurs end up with a bunch of mid first rounders for DJ. That guy is also a local sports dude in ATL, so it seems like this might actually be on the verge of happening :depressed

[Leetonidas]

Pure speculation but I wonder if something happened in that locker room during the playin game, I remember DJ being really upset at the refs and maybe something happened

Doubt it. I'm sure Spurs have talked to DJ and probably got his input. They know they are not near contending and probably asked him if he wanted to continue on or be traded with a chance to compete. I don't think they'd cut ties just because he got emotional during a game

[BatManu20]

If we’re trading Dejounte to go full tank-mode for ‘23, then the Knicks’ alleged offer of multiple higher FRP’s is much more compelling than the Hawks would with their picks that will likely be in the 20’s. This would be beyond dumb.

[LeBowen]

Not getting a single good player back would be really dumb unless we get multiple top10 picks.

[Spurs9]

Ugh, I'm going to be so pissed if the Spurs end up with a bunch of mid first rounders for DJ. That guy is also a local sports dude in ATL, so it seems like this might actually be on the verge of happening :depressed

Why ATL specifically though? What picks would those be in return? It seems like we could trade DJ to almost any team with high pick potential that could be better than ATL.

[Seventyniner]

How credible is Zach Klein?

[BatManu20]

If the Spurs do this we riot.

[Degoat]

Man I’m so confused! I kinda understand us trading in Murray while his value is high but he wants to be here and he’s getting better every year!

[Cardinal]

I would imagine that in this trade scenario John Collins would be routed to a third team for additional draft compensation that would flow to the Spurs. Multiple unprotected picks from the Hawks and a third team would be very valuable. You never know what can happen with injuries/trades a few years from now. Look at the Rockets with Brooklyns picks.

[Mugen]

What an absolutely stupid f'n FO if they pull the trigger :lol

[Leetonidas]

Why ATL specifically though? What picks would those be in return? It seems like we could trade DJ to almost any team with high pick potential that could be better than ATL.

I would guess it's probably because DJ wants to go there. Can't think of another reason

[Mr. Body]

I don't get it. Besides, we don't have a trustworthy point guard otherwise.

[RC_Drunkford]

I mean I could see us absorb Gallo into cap space for a 1st, but not by trading DJ. All these Hawks trades sound ridiculous

[Leetonidas]

Would suck too since it would mean the last two fiesta player jerseys i got had the player traded a season later (Got white's in 21, Murray's last year) :lol

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/zachkleinwsb/status/1541504392150614017

[Chinook]

Again, Murray might want a trade, and he might not want it because his feelings are hurt. It's possible he and the team are on good terms, DJM loves Pop like a father, and Murray wants to welcome the rookies AND that he and the team feel like it's best for both sides if he moves to a contender.

[AFBlue]

I don't expect the Spurs front office to get fleeced in any deal. They're operating from a position of strength, having Murray under a very team-friendly contract and him coming off an all-star season.

I'm in full wait and see mode.

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/zachkleinwsb/status/1541504392150614017

yeah, he said based on his convos league sources seem to think it's going down, not that he knows it is personally. i'm holding out hope this is all BS because I'd really hate to lose DJ for such paltry compensation

[Dejounte]

Poor journalism tbh

say it’s on the verge but that it’s not a done deal

maybe it’s just the fan in me, but these guys have to be more careful with words.

[AFBlue]

Would suck too since it would mean the last two fiesta player jerseys i got had the player traded a season later (Got white's in 21, Murray's last year) :lol

Collector's edition!

[Mr. Body]

Still feels off that these ATL area media guys are going to town on these rumors.

[baseline bum]

Don't know WTF Primo did last year to convince the Spurs he's their PG of the future. This is retarded moving Dejounte for picks from a likely 46-55 win team.

[Mugen]

This dumbass organization tanking 3 years too late and setting themselves back to another decade mired in irrelevancy :lol

[Degoat]

Like could we at least get Deandre Hunter or OO in the trade lol

[Dejounte]

Really curious how Spurs PR will handle explaining to the season ticket holders how they gave up their only homegrown all star in a few years.

Casual fans who attend have an attachment to players. Which recognizable player will they turn to next? Keldon?

[AFBlue]

Don't know WTF Primo did last year to convince the Spurs he's their PG of the future. This is retarded moving Dejounte for picks from a likely 46-55 win team.

Middling playoff team for the next two years, unless they believe they can sign an impact free agent this off-season. Blow up at least commits to a direction and builds on a solid base of young talent.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

This is dumb enough to have Wright's name all over it.

[SAGirl]

Doubt it. I'm sure Spurs have talked to DJ and probably got his input. They know they are not near contending and probably asked him if he wanted to continue on or be traded with a chance to compete. I don't think they'd cut ties just because he got emotional during a game
Yup. The denial is strong in the Spurs fandom.

We have known for a long time DJ wants to contend fiercely. This team is far from it and is reluctant to make a move to trade assets for a Player that would raise the team’s ceiling. They seem committed to a long term rebuild process for now. DJ won’t want to stick around for that.

The Spurs have started canvassing interest in him IMO bc of the impending demand for a veteran max contract or very close to it, while they are nowhere near contending. When he’s up for negotiating an extension next summer things could be more complicated, though this could indeed take a long time to find the right trade.

Its possible he was just waiting and seeing what direction the team was taking and now would rather be somewhere else, where before that wasn’t on his mind. Like Ben Simmons finding out he was almost traded switching him

[Mugen]

Great message to the young guys that you can develop your game with the Spurs and eventually you'll get traded to a much better franchise as a reward. :lol

[Ocotillo]

I am going to wait before jumping off the cliff to see what actually happens.

[JPB]

How credible is Zach Klein?

https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1541504392150614017

Already covering his ass...

[Fazzlaa]

Closer. On the picks, one would be your unprotected 2023 FRP for sections 1-14 (I know Knicks own 15-30), and if it doesn’t covey, then unprotected in 2024.

And, boy, I feel terrible for you all for management poised to give Beal that awful deal.

We just have to hope and pray he stays healthy... and goes back to being productive and then he asks for a trade under that environment...

[baseline bum]

Middling playoff team for the next two years, unless they believe they can sign an impact free agent this off-season. Blow up at least commits to a direction and builds on a solid base of young talent.

I get blowing it up but I'm not blowing it up for freaking late first round picks, which is what Atlanta picks would be with a guy like Murray there to cover up for Trae Young's horrific defense.

[lmbebo]

Can't remember who it was on a twitter, but thought it might have been because DJ is a klutch client, looking at his potential future in SA, etc

[goliath]

If its Gallo and 3 or 4 1st I don't see how there aren't alot of other teams out there that could beat that offer

[Degoat]

Yup. The denial is strong in the Spurs fandom.

We have known for a long time DJ wants to contend fiercely. This team is far from it and is reluctant to make a move to trade assets for a Player that would raise the team’s ceiling. They seem committed to a long term rebuild process for now. DJ won’t want to stick around for that.

The Spurs have started canvassing interest in him IMO bc of the impending demand for a veteran max contract or very close to it, while they are nowhere near contending. When he’s up for negotiating an extension next summer things could be more complicated, though this could indeed take a long time to find the right trade.

Its possible he was just waiting and seeing what direction the team was taking and now would rather be somewhere else, where before that wasn’t on his mind. Like Ben Simmons finding out he was almost traded switching him

Thats kinda what I’m thinking, I don’t want them to trade DJ but what ways can the spurs actually raise their ceiling if they keep DJ? Like if we added Ayton to the existing team we’d be at best a 6th seed. You have to get that superstar to contend

[Dejounte]

I am going to wait before jumping off the cliff to see what actually happens.

Whole ado about nothing with ST posters acting as if it’s truth and making posts how folks are in denial :lmao

A lot of point A to point Z reasoning is being made based off zero evidence

[Seventyniner]

https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1541504392150614017

Already covering his ass...

Good catch.

I meant on a scale of zero (TSpence) to 100 (Shams), cause I don't know anything about this guy.

[JPB]

Real hard time believing they'd do it. Maybe smoke screen for another trade :D

[KingKev]

Poor journalism tbh

say it’s on the verge but that it’s not a done deal

maybe it’s just the fan in me, but these guys have to be more careful with words.

They have no accountability. The more reckless they are the more digital metrics they hit on. Th

[AFBlue]

Great message to the young guys that you can develop your game with the Spurs and eventually you'll get traded to a much better franchise as a reward. :lol

Don't be dumb. Situations are situational. If the Spurs felt like they could build a legitimate contender around Murray and other stars, I'm sure they'd be all in on that front. At this point, the only hope would be to overpay for a young guy that hasn't proven he can be the guy (Ayton/Bridges) or that your next go-to scorer (LaVine) works out better than your last one to great effect. Both seem likely to not pan out, even if they were attainable.

[Fazzlaa]

This is dumb enough to have Wright's name all over it.

What is Brian Wright doing?

If Murray is going for Gallo and multiple picks, that should be a fireable offense.

Holt should step in!

[duncan2150]

Like could we at least get Deandre Hunter or OO in the trade lol

no way you deal Dejounte for other things than Hunter and or Okongwu plus picks or something.

Spurs will deal their only all star for picks ? and maybe with these picks they will have another dejounte. Speculating on draft, tanking, is not a good idea, the lottery can punish you.

Do with what you have and if the team is bad then maybe you trade DJ for a big offer.

[Robz4000]

If its Gallo and 3 or 4 1st I don't see how there aren't alot of other teams out there that could beat that offer

:lol 3 late firsts and a player they'd have to buyout for a young all star is beyond awful

[SAGirl]

Again, Murray might want a trade, and he might not want it because his feelings are hurt. It's possible he and the team are on good terms, DJM loves Pop like a father, and Murray wants to welcome the rookies AND that he and the team feel like it's best for both sides if he moves to a contender.
I have been saying for a while the team and DJ are on different timelines. DJ wants to play in a competitive team, the Spurs are far from contending and I won’t blame them if they want to take a measured approach not making win now moves. DJ IMO would eventually tire from that. It would eventually not be a good pairing between team and player.

[AFBlue]

I get blowing it up but I'm not blowing it up for freaking late first round picks, which is what Atlanta picks would be with a guy like Murray there to cover up for Trae Young's horrific defense.

Yeah, not commenting on the specific deal. Moreso the concept. As I stated in a previous post, I don't see the Spurs FO getting fleeced in a deal where they have all the leverage.

[Mr. Body]

This still smells like ATL trying to cook up a market. This was what Morey was trying to do last summer with Ben Simmons. Insisting that there were big offers on the table.

"League sources" just means the Fischer guy.

[Leetonidas]

Not to nitpick but the Hawks barring any other trades still probably wouldn't even hit 50 wins so their picks may be in the 18-22 range versus a late first rounder. Especially if they get rid of Collins too

[mo7888]

Really curious how Spurs PR will handle explaining to the season ticket holders how they gave up their only homegrown all star in a few years.

Casual fans who attend have an attachment to players. Which recognizable player will they turn to next? Keldon?

That part will be tricky I'd think...

[itzsoweezee]

Klutch trying to team up their guys, again. This time at the Spurs’ expense. What are the chances dejounte asks for a trade before training camp starts?

[Degoat]

Not to nitpick but the Hawks barring any other trades still probably wouldn't even hit 50 wins so their picks may be in the 18-22 range versus a late first rounder. Especially if they get rid of Collins too

That’s what’s weird too! There isn’t a whole lot of all star caliber players available right now but is Trae Young and Murray even a good fit? Like the ball needs to be in Trae young’s hands not DJs

[Robz4000]

That part will be tricky I'd think...

Alienating the fans only helps a potential move :stirpot:

[mo7888]

What is Brian Wright doing?

If Murray is going for Gallo and multiple picks, that should be a fireable offense.

Holt should step in!

Fireable offense? Why, because he's not doing a deal with the Wizards?

[Degoat]

Makes a little sense why they drafted 3 rookies

[JPB]

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1539809528941641729

[RC_Drunkford]

Again, Murray might want a trade, and he might not want it because his feelings are hurt. It's possible he and the team are on good terms, DJM loves Pop like a father, and Murray wants to welcome the rookies AND that he and the team feel like it's best for both sides if he moves to a contender.

I doubt Murray wants out. It's more so that he would like to play there with Tre, so the Spurs would do right by him. That's why Atlanta is an option. For the Spurs though, none of this shit makes any sense

[mo7888]

It feels like timvp should get in here on this...

[itzsoweezee]

I doubt Murray wants out. It's more so that he would like to play there with Tre, so the Spurs would do right by him. That's why Atlanta is an option. For the Spurs though, none of this shit makes any sense

You’re right, it doesn’t make any sense for the spurs. This is definitely coming from Murray’s side.

[KingKev]

https://twitter.com/DejounteMurray/status/1539809528941641729

That was 6 days ago

[Fazzlaa]

Fireable offense? Why, because he's not doing a deal with the Wizards?

Nope. Cause he can get way more!

[RC_Drunkford]

You’re right, it doesn’t make any sense for the spurs. This is definitely coming from Murray’s side.

nah it's coming for the Hawks, not Murray. I'm just saying he wouldn't be mad to be traded there. It's not like we're sending him to the Orlando Magic

[spurraider21]

i'd hate dumping murray like that tbh, unless its like a god tier package of unprotected picks + swaps.

only part of it that makes sense is if we are moving murray, taking on gallinari (for further draft capital) makes sense... and the deals that always made the least sense for us were those including murray/collins swap. no point in bringing in collins unless its to build alongside murray. would hate the current spurs team + collins minus murray

[Payote75]

I don't know where it's coming from but if it's DJ that's one thing and still could be handled without giving him away. However if the spurs have some sort of plan then fine if their plan is to tank thats just asinine. There is no guarantee those ping pong balls bounce your way and if you lose the drafting team won't trade that pick for 10 first rounders. We got lucky with Timmy you can force luck it usually ends up bad fate is fate. This would be just so stupid and they aren't a big market like Philly they walking a fine line of becoming the Kings. Speaking of philly how has that worked out for Philly. Please let there be more to this.

[Mugen]

Move this franchise to Austin or Seattle tbh :lol

[rjv]

who the f is zach klein?

[KingKev]

Move this franchise to Austin or Seattle tbh :lol

Vegas because if they do this I’ll need a bender full of hookers and blow.

[Mugen]

Vegas because if they do this I’ll need a bender full of hookers and blow.

Vegas would be great tbh. Two favorite teams in the same city within a 4.5hr drive from LA, chef's kiss tbh

[Leetonidas]

who the f is zach klein?

Local ATL sports reporter

[rjv]

Local ATL sports reporter

does he have any cred?

[exstatic]

So not only would we not be getting John Collins back in the deal so that we could flip him elsewhere for future draft capital, we’d only be getting back the corpse of Gallinari and mid-to-late FRP’s… this would be a retarded trade on our end.
John Collins is good enough to knock our picks into the 20s, but not good enough to get us out of the first round. He’s a treadmill player. He’s also not coming with picks attached. Zero.

[exstatic]

Makes a little sense why they drafted 3 rookies

And two guards.

[rascal]

I want the trade and the Spurs to be a bottom three team and get lucky and land their franchise player.

That's the quickest way to be a contender again.

Keeping Murray keeps the Spurs in the low end of the lottery for years until they get a franchise changing player.

None of the players on the current team including Murray or the players the Spurs drafted this year are franchise changing players. They are nice complementary players but they need the franchise player.

[Leetonidas]

does he have any cred?

Beats me but the local reporters tend to be more plugged in. The amount of noise makes me think they're definitely having conversations. How close they actually are is anyone's guess

[DesignatedT]

Move this franchise to Austin or Seattle tbh :lol

Because they are entertaining the idea of trading Dejounte Murray? Lol

I mean I like Murray and all and I get he was an all star this season due to some other injuries in the NBA, but one more season and he’s gonna start wanting to talk about $40M+/yr extensions. You want to give him that? Definitely don’t think he’s that type of player and likely won’t ever be. Just my opinion.

[rjv]

Beats me but the local reporters tend to be more plugged in. The amount of noise makes me think they're definitely having conversations. How close they actually are is anyone's guess

well, if they're anything like our local reporters, they're clueless but, then again, our local beat is pretty much at the bottom of the food chain. nothing on the wok and shams front at the moment.

[mo7888]

If we do this Hawks deal I wouldn't mind getting oo out of the trade..

[KingKev]

Vegas would be great tbh. Two favorite teams in the same city within a 4.5hr drive from LA, chef's kiss tbh

I’m partial to the next team being back in Vancouver tbh. I really don’t see trading DJ as the reason this team relocates as that is extreme but moves like this proposed trade are the preface.

[Trueblood]

I think we need a third team involved. I think Detroit would be a perfect partner. They just list Grant and have a hole at PF. They could use Collins and at 24 he fits their timeline better. Plus they have an influx of capspace after the draft night trades so they could absorb the salary.
Collins to Detroit
Murray to Atlanta
Detroit 2023 &2025 unprotected FRP to the Spurs
Atlanta 2024 lottery protected FRP to the Spurs
We shouldn't need to take back and salary which means we could make a run for Ayton and trade Jak for another FRP

[exstatic]

This will happen or die by Wednesday. Sometime that day Gallo becomes guaranteed, and I think the cap room created by cutting him was an asset in this deal.

[JPB]

That was 6 days ago
thanks, I know how to read a date.... that's still Murray reacting to a potential trade to Atlanta... Not like his universe changed in one week.

[RC_Drunkford]

I think we need a third team involved. I think Detroit would be a perfect partner. They just list Grant and have a hole at PF. They could use Collins and at 24 he fits their timeline better. Plus they have an influx of capspace after the draft night trades so they could absorb the salary.
Collins to Detroit
Murray to Atlanta
Detroit 2023 &2025 unprotected FRP to the Spurs
Atlanta 2024 lottery protected FRP to the Spurs
We shouldn't need to take back and salary which means we could make a run for Ayton and trade Jak for another FRP

why would the Spurs make a run at Ayton when Murray is too old? They have to get a top pick. Everybody older than 20 should be traded :lol

[Gibbz]

IF...this happens, I'd guess their plan is to throw Primo into the fire--let him run the offense getting him great early experience and allowing them to lose 55+ games to have a shot at potential all-time-level guy Wembanyama.

[rjv]

why would the Spurs make a run at Ayton when Murray is too old? They have to get a top pick. Everybody older than 20 should be traded :lol

spurs should become the Logan's Run world of the NBA

[TD 21]

Great message to the young guys that you can develop your game with the Spurs and eventually you'll get traded to a much better franchise as a reward. :lol

If there's not a specific asset (pick) with a decent or better chance of yielding a star, then yeah they'd look like a feeder franchise at that point.



IF...this happens, I'd guess their plan is to throw Primo into the fire--let him run the offense getting him great early experience and allowing them to lose 55+ games to have a shot at potential all-time-level guy Wembanyama.

That'd be stupid. There's already ample opportunity for him. A 19 year old, who was a projected late 1st, that has yet to establish himself as an NBA player, shouldn't be played out of position (with no one else who can create offense) for something like 30 mpg on a bottom feeder. That's a good way to set him up to fail and destroy his confidence.

[exstatic]

I think we need a third team involved. I think Detroit would be a perfect partner. They just list Grant and have a hole at PF. They could use Collins and at 24 he fits their timeline better. Plus they have an influx of capspace after the draft night trades so they could absorb the salary.
Collins to Detroit
Murray to Atlanta
Detroit 2023 &2025 unprotected FRP to the Spurs
Atlanta 2024 lottery protected FRP to the Spurs
We shouldn't need to take back and salary which means we could make a run for Ayton and trade Jak for another FRP

You’re essentially expecting Detroit to give up a very good chance at Wembayana for John Collins.

Mother of God.

[duncan2150]

who the f is zach klein?

Looks like a good one.

[Gibbz]

That'd be stupid. There's already ample opportunity for him. A 19 year old, who was a projected late 1st, that has yet to establish himself as an NBA player, shouldn't be played out of position (with no one else who can create offense) for something like 30 mpg on a bottom feeder. That's a good way to set him up to fail and destroy his confidence.

:pop: "If I could really do what I wanted to do and I didn't care about anything else in the world, I'd throw him in the frying pan the way we did Tony Parker. But the difference was Tony played a couple of years against grown men in the European Leagues before he came over."

You may be correct, just saying I could see that being the scenario.

[Gibbz]

There are also cases league-wide of current stars playing 30+ minutes their first year on absolute bottom-feeders.

[exstatic]

spurs should become the Logan's Run world of the NBA

RENEW!!

https://www.oscarchamps.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/1976-Logans-Run-01.jpg

[Robz4000]

I think we need a third team involved. I think Detroit would be a perfect partner. They just list Grant and have a hole at PF. They could use Collins and at 24 he fits their timeline better. Plus they have an influx of capspace after the draft night trades so they could absorb the salary.
Collins to Detroit
Murray to Atlanta
Detroit 2023 &2025 unprotected FRP to the Spurs
Atlanta 2024 lottery protected FRP to the Spurs
We shouldn't need to take back and salary which means we could make a run for Ayton and trade Jak for another FRP

:lol add this to the list of god awful trades proposed by ST

[Payote75]

Another year of a possibly even worse season for a chance at a player???? I hope we missing something or there is more involved. We don't have a guarantee that we will get Wemby this is dumb. And I love pop as a coach but if you are coming back and this is the plan why bother? You taking one for the team? Don't lose time you can't get back walk away. We could acquire the whole first round and if we don't win that lottery we end up in basketball limbo.

[TD 21]

:pop: "If I could really do what I wanted to do and I didn't care about anything else in the world, I'd throw him in the frying pan the way we did Tony Parker. But the difference was Tony played a couple of years against grown men in the European Leagues before he came over."

You may be correct, just saying I could see that being the scenario.

I'm not trying to shoot the messenger, just saying it seems far fetched.

The difference was/is, Parker was a PG and got to play with then then best player in the world, who the offense mostly ran through and another future first ballot Hall of Fame player.

[KingKev]

thanks, I know how to read a date.... that's still Murray reacting to a potential trade to Atlanta... Not like his universe changed in one week.

Well that tweet is all over this board so you should probably put some context to your post when posting it 6 days later.

[spurs1990]

Vegas would be great tbh. Two favorite teams in the same city within a 4.5hr drive from LA, chef's kiss tbh

So you have no ties to San Antonio or Texas? How do you become a Spurs fans then. If it was a player then that guys long been gone right.
The team moving to Vegas would probably have a completely different identity - team names, colors et all. They wouldn't be hanging the SA banners in their stadium.

It'd be just picking a random team to start rooting for. And if you're in LA you've got two local teams to pick. That's just puzzling to me my man.

[RC_Drunkford]

apparently Zach Klein has legit sources from the ATL front office. He called the Doncic for Trae Young trade hours before it happened and also predicted the Okongwu pick. Spurs and Hawks are definitely talking

[CGD]

Damn is this is really about to happen. And this is a really shitty trade for us…

1541496234489307136

WTF. I’m trying hard to squint hard to find the deal that makes sense here:

- Unprotected 2023 FRP
- CHA 2023 FRP they own
- AJ Griffen (just drafted)
- Okangwu or Hunter

[Ariel]

I think we need a third team involved. I think Detroit would be a perfect partner. They just list Grant and have a hole at PF. They could use Collins and at 24 he fits their timeline better. Plus they have an influx of capspace after the draft night trades so they could absorb the salary.
Collins to Detroit
Murray to Atlanta
Detroit 2023 &2025 unprotected FRP to the Spurs
Atlanta 2024 lottery protected FRP to the Spurs
We shouldn't need to take back and salary which means we could make a run for Ayton and trade Jak for another FRP
Detroit has M Bagley and they're not stupid. I agree that there should be a third team to take on Collins, but it's not them.

[Mr. Body]

The days of teams trading unprotected first round picks are probably over.

[CGD]

The days of teams trading unprotected first round picks are probably over.

I get it, but what else would make an ATL offer more appealing to say a Knicks offer if not that?

[Mr. Body]

I get it, but what else would make an ATL offer more appealing to say a Knicks offer if not that?

Nothing. None of this makes sense as is. I can only imagine there's something else going on. The Spurs tend to get gunshy when their plans get leaked, so either this is bogus or they're permitting some of this to get out there. Maybe there are other teams or assets moving around underwater.

[objective]

This rumored trade is idiotic, even for Wright

If you want to tank, do what OKC did and use cap space for picks and sit guys if their ankle feels funny. You don't trade away your SGA.

Those picks, 2 or 3 doesn't matter, they're going to be almost worthless picks in the 20s. What a joke.

[T Park]

I don't get paid enough to know that answer. All I know is that splitting resources will continue to push back the competitive timeline.

You’re not trading Murray, a literal borderline all star. For real all stars.

[T Park]

Move this franchise to Austin or Seattle tbh :lol

Kiss off

[eDizzle20]

What’s the goal? Cut Gallo and eat his guaranteed $5MM then put the pressure on the Suns by giving him a max offer? Lol

[BackHome]

apparently Zach Klein has legit sources from the ATL front office. He called the Doncic for Trae Young trade hours before it happened and also predicted the Okongwu pick. Spurs and Hawks are definitely talking

Is he stating that the Spurs did have talks about Collins before the Draft? Or is he stating that there is on going trade talks between the Spurs and Atlanta right now?

[RC_Drunkford]

Is he stating that the Spurs did have talks about Collins before the Draft? Or is he stating that there is on going trade talks between the Spurs and Atlanta right now?

He's saying they are discussing a deal around DJ for Gallo and picks right now. Of course that doesn't mean that the Spurs like the deal, but them still being in talks is definitely legit so it seems

[TDomination]

this would be so dumb. in my opinion this is all talks with no real momentum. just talks.

thinking about it from all angles it does not make sense for anyone.
If we were to actually trade Murray, why to the Hawks? and for Gallanari just cause of his contract? so you give away your all star to a guy with an expiring contract. cool. we have so many young players on this team right now already. 3 frp's seems ludicrous like a waste if they are in their 20's or mid teens. we need a 1st pick which won't happen through a trade.

and as for the hawks go, Tre needs the ball in his hands. So does Murray. Murray as we know is not an off the ball player. the fit would just be awkward.

nothing about this makes sense.

[RC_Drunkford]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from JeffGSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

[BackHome]

Thanks for the clarification RC.........So just curious what are peoples expectations on what is a good trade for us regarding Murray - 3 First Picks or Combo Player and picks? It seems like a third teams has to be involved who do you think it is and what could they give us?

[Atl Spur]

This rumored trade is idiotic, even for Wright

If you want to tank, do what OKC did and use cap space for picks and sit guys if their ankle feels funny. You don't trade away your SGA.

Those picks, 2 or 3 doesn't matter, they're going to be almost worthless picks in the 20s. What a joke.

Wrights an idiot again?? Gotcha……Clowns🤡

[LeBowen]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from Jeff (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1013)GSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

Ok, nothing to see here, we're safe.

We like what we have. :pop:

[spurraider21]

Move this franchise to Austin or Seattle tbh :lol
vegas tbh

want the raiders/spurs in the same city tbh. there were those small rumors of the raiders moving to SA. having them both move to Vegas would be nice though

[Leetonidas]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from JeffGSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

:lol as opposed to partial rebuild mode?

[exstatic]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from JeffGSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

You can if you know how.

[ tweet ]tweet number string, only[ /tweet ]. Remove the spaces before and after the brackets

[BackHome]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from Jeff (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1013)GSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

I call that BS - No way would the Spurs be talking about a trade this far without getting Pop to sign off on it that makes no sense.

[slick'81]

So now atl is trying to fleece us:lol gallo to cut and three late firsts from atl to make Dejounte happy because we sure as hell cant build a winner:lobt2:fckn spurs smh

[spurs1990]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from JeffGSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

The owner(s) should be making the call. Can't believe coach has this much say

[TD 21]

:lmao At this organization, always leaving their fans twisting in the wind. Wright could have easily made some cliche, perfunctory comment during his multiple media availabilities since the rumors began.

Now we get to sit on pins and needles again waiting and hoping that they don't make a colossal mistake to set this franchise further back.

[Leetonidas]

The owner(s) should be making the call. Can't believe coach has this much say

Pop is the president of basketball ops as well, not just the coach

[slick'81]

The owner(s) should be making the call. Can't believe coach has this much say

we have no ownership. Just kids playing with daddys old team

[RC_Drunkford]

1541536590211813378

[exstatic]

:lmao At this organization, always leaving their fans twisting in the wind. Wright could have easily made some cliche, perfunctory comment during his multiple media availabilities since the rumors began.

Now we get to sit on pins and needles again waiting and hoping that they don't make a colossal mistake to set this franchise further back.

Gallo becomes guaranteed on Wednesday, killing the potential deal. If you can’t wait that long, you’re a fucking child.

[Twisted_Dawg]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from JeffGSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

I just listened to the 1250 radio interview Zach Klein just had that JeffG cites. Left wondering how a reporter in Atlanta, or his sources, have any inside knowledge of what's rolling around in Pop's head.

[RC_Drunkford]

Thanks for the clarification RC.........So just curious what are peoples expectations on what is a good trade for us regarding Murray - 3 First Picks or Combo Player and picks? It seems like a third teams has to be involved who do you think it is and what could they give us?

I don't want to do it period. But a haul would most likely mean at least 3 unprotected picks including swaps who would most likely end up in the top 10 plus at least 1 young player. The team that gets him would have to massively overpay


You can if you know how.

[ tweet ]tweet number string, only[ /tweet ]. Remove the spaces before and after the brackets

thanks, was wondering why it never worked. I used the whole link before and the tweet always used to show up


The owner(s) should be making the call. Can't believe coach has this much say

Dictatorvich holding the franchise hostage, nothing new tbh

[Mugen]

Can't embed tweets here anymore but from Jeff (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=1013)GSpursZone twitter account:

According to @ZachKleinWSB (https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB) in a chat w/@SASportsStar (https://twitter.com/SASportsStar)
a D. Murray deal depends on Pop and if he wants to blow the team up and go into full rebuild mode.

Crofl so now the old man wants to blow it up? Where was that 3 years ago when literally every single fan with half a brain knew they weren't winning shit as soon Uncle Dennis was done with them.

I really need to know what the Sniff Crew thinks about this when they were adamant against tanking but now that this dumbass FO finally realizes years too late what should have been done then it becomes another genius move by PATFO :lmao

[RC_Drunkford]

I just listened to the 1250 radio interview Zach Klein just had that JeffG cites. Left wondering how a reporter in Atlanta, or his sources, have any inside knowledge of what's rolling around in Pop's head.

he has legit intel from the Hawks FO. He called the Doncic for Trae Young trade hours before it went down.

[dbestpro]

Murray may never be at a better trade value. He is great indivdually at many different things but for some reason that does not translate to making everyone else around him better. Get three number one picks, make the move, and trial by fire for Primo.

[Mugen]

If trading Murray means the franchise finally gets to walk away from the old man that's been holding them hostage for the last 5 years, I'm all for it.

Imagine basing the future of your organization on the whims of some 80yo has been whose only claim to relevance in the last 7 years is Durant dragging his ass to a gold medal :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Crofl so now the old man wants to blow it up? Where was that 3 years ago when literally every single fan with half a brain knew they weren't winning shit as soon Uncle Dennis was done with them.

I really need to know what the Sniff Crew thinks about this when they were adamant against tanking but now that this dumbass FO finally realizes years too late what should have been done then it becomes another genius move by PATFO :lmao

It's idiotic tbh. I can't see Pop going for it though, he's stubborn. What pisses me off is that they don't seem to pick a direction. If you contemplate tearing it down and don't do it, you better be trading for a starting PF and make a run at someone like Ayton in FA. But stop with this middle of the pack "we like what we have" shit

[slick'81]

Right, wth is pop gonna finish his tenure winning 20 games because tony parker told him the french kid is the next mj:lol

[Mugen]

I like the dummies here advocating for "selling high" on Murray and getting back 3 non-lottery first rounders like that's some type of good haul :lol

[td4mvp2k]

Murray may never be at a better trade value. He is great indivdually at many different things but for some reason that does not translate to making everyone else around him better. Get three number one picks, make the move, and trial by fire for Primo.
yup a no brainer and the spurs know this. im sure both teams want to get this deal done before free agency starts.

[RC_Drunkford]

In other news Sean Marks just stepped down as the Brooklyn Nets GM

[jhfenton]

I don't want to do it period. But a haul would most likely mean at least 3 unprotected picks including swaps who would most likely end up in the top 10 plus at least 1 young player. The team that gets him would have to massively overpay.

I don't see that Atlanta has attractive picks to trade. They have protected picks from other teams and their own picks. There's no combination of that that would be a good return for Murray.

[slick'81]

3 late firsts and giving in to make murray happy is not cashing in or selling high. Jesus,people

[Mr. Body]

In other news Sean Marks just stepped down as the Brooklyn Nets GM

Huh. He has a good eye for bargain talent. The way he rebuilt with nothing was impressive. Then he went all in with big personalities and it didn't work. Kyrie is too much of a headcase and, really, Durant is just as toxic.

[slick'81]

In other news Sean Marks just stepped down as the Brooklyn Nets GM


briam wright aint going anywhere

[Mr. Body]

My thing, among others, is trading Murray right now -- what message does this send to the rest of the players? Play too well and you'll get booted before you can make any money? It's bizarre.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1541545398837415936

[TD 21]

Gallo becomes guaranteed on Wednesday, killing the potential deal. If you can’t wait that long, you’re a fucking child.

:lmao Old man apologist upset at someone criticizing his precious PATFO.

[slick'81]

My thing, among others, is trading Murray right now -- what message does this send to the rest of the players? Play too well and you'll get booted before you can make any money? It's bizarre.

first kawhi,derozan and now murray! Wtf is sa doing? Its a fckn disaster if that happens

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer/status/1541545398837415936

Have now heard the same as Zach, because the person he heard it from was me, and the person I heard it from was the interior of my rectum.

[duncan2150]

Have now heard the same as Zach, because the person he heard it from was me, and the person I heard it from was the interior of my rectum.

:spin haha i don't understand what this guy is talking about.

[Kevin]

Since the Kawhi saga Spurs fans have been begging for a tank and now their on the verge of doing it and everyone is panicking. Three firsts and an expiring is not bad. Murray is a good player but he's not KD or AD level.

[AFBlue]

Two ATL reporters involved in a circle jerk with the ATL FO.

[RC_Drunkford]

My thing, among others, is trading Murray right now -- what message does this send to the rest of the players? Play too well and you'll get booted before you can make any money? It's bizarre.

:pop: "sign an extension with us and we will trade you." Remember we already did the same with Derrick White



Since the Kawhi saga Spurs fans have been begging for a tank and now their on the verge of doing it and everyone is panicking. Three firsts and an expiring is not bad. Murray is a good player but he's not KD or AD level.


because it's too late. The roster is 23.4 years old. How much younger do you want to get?

Besides that we can get 3 future 1st round picks in the 20s just by taking on bad contracts and keeping Murray

[KingKev]

Since the Kawhi saga Spurs fans have been begging for a tank and now their on the verge of doing it and everyone is panicking. Three firsts and an expiring is not bad. Murray is a good player but he's not KD or AD level.

We can tank WITH Murray. We are that bad. We already have the draft capital and a rediculous amount of young players jn the system.

We aren’t as savvy as OKC. They have a clue. If this is true we clearly don’t.

You think OKC would trade SGA to us for McDermott and 3 FRPs?

[Degoat]

If it’s just Gallo + picks, I’ll be pretty pissed. OKC has all the picks in the world and they still suck lol so much luck goes into drafting the next guy.

[Degoat]

If it’s just Gallo + picks, I’ll be pretty pissed. OKC has all the picks in the world and they still suck lol so much luck goes into drafting the next guy.

[slick'81]

Since the Kawhi saga Spurs fans have been begging for a tank and now their on the verge of doing it and everyone is panicking. Three firsts and an expiring is not bad. Murray is a good player but he's not KD or AD level.


4 years too late

[slick'81]

Tards here convincing themselves this is as good as it gets:lol

[Kevin]

4 years too late

Agreed. Time to jump off the treadmill and start tanking.

[widowmaker]

Bad, bad, bad move trading Murray for a corpse and 3 non lottery draft picks. They should hang tight throughout the season and see what happens during the season maybe something better pops up.

[Atl Spur]

A lot of moving pieces…….

[Atl Spur]

A lot of moving pieces…….

[Ignazzz]

Great gift for fans for 50 yrs anni

[rankingtear]

Looks like it is close 48 hour window if it includes Gallo.

[RC_Drunkford]

Gallo becomes guaranteed on Wednesday, killing the potential deal. If you can’t wait that long, you’re a fucking child.

seems like Gallo's contract becoming guaranteed actually helps facilitate the deal to match salaries

[BackHome]

I don't know if Atlanta wants Murray and for us to take Galo:

3 first picks ( 2 for Murray and one for taking Galo contract)

Atlanta trades Collins to a team and that team gives us:

A young player and a first or 2 first round picks

[Mugen]

Just some really inspiring stuff for the incoming draft class. Work hard, improve your game, and we can trade you to a real franchise when the time comes :lol

And local morons will still come to games to support the only game in town. Must be nice to be PATFO in SA, zero accountability from the fans and the toothless local media...

[scott]

I'm gonna stay optimistic, but I'm also not convinced the Spurs won't do something stupid like get a terrible return for DJ and then turn around and do some baffling like extend Jak.

[BackHome]

But I thought you want them in Vegas...lol

[T Park]

Just some really inspiring stuff for the incoming draft class. Work hard, improve your game, and we can trade you to a real franchise when the time comes :lol

And local morons will still come to games to support the only game in town. Must be nice to be PATFO in SA, zero accountability from the fans and the toothless local media...



So what do you want fans like us to do. Go down there and stick a finger in Brian wright’s chest? ����

[T Park]

Just some really inspiring stuff for the incoming draft class. Work hard, improve your game, and we can trade you to a real franchise when the time comes :lol

And local morons will still come to games to support the only game in town. Must be nice to be PATFO in SA, zero accountability from the fans and the toothless local media...



So what do you want fans like us to do. Go down there and stick a finger in Brian wright’s chest? 🙄🙄

[mo7888]

I'm gonna stay optimistic, but I'm also not convinced the Spurs won't do something stupid like get a terrible return for DJ and then turn around and do some baffling like extend Jak.

That would truly be baffling..

[baseline bum]

vegas tbh

want the raiders/spurs in the same city tbh. there were those small rumors of the raiders moving to SA. having them both move to Vegas would be nice though

Don't see the appeal Vegas holds for sports teams. Either the area is going to have to drastically cut its water use, thus limiting growth and probably causing population decline, or they're going to lose access to electricity from Hoover Dam by turning Lake Mead into a dead pool, which is way worse.

[mo7888]

I'm gonna stay optimistic, but I'm also not convinced the Spurs won't do something stupid like get a terrible return for DJ and then turn around and do some baffling like extend Jak.

That would truly be baffling..

[Mugen]

So what do you want fans like us to do. Go down there and stick a finger in Brian wright’s chest? 

I expect you to defend every retarded move this rudderless FO and garbage coach do as they're stuck in basketball purgatory for the next decade tbh :lol

[Atl Spur]

Just some really inspiring stuff for the incoming draft class. Work hard, improve your game, and we can trade you to a real franchise when the time comes :lol

And local morons will still come to games to support the only game in town. Must be nice to be PATFO in SA, zero accountability from the fans and the toothless local media...

You left out the piece of paying him life changing money…….carry on. Nothing is forever homie!

[Mugen]

So what do you want fans like us to do. Go down there and stick a finger in Brian wright’s chest? 

I expect you to defend every retarded move this rudderless FO and garbage coach do as they're stuck in basketball purgatory for the next decade tbh :lol

[Atl Spur]

Just some really inspiring stuff for the incoming draft class. Work hard, improve your game, and we can trade you to a real franchise when the time comes :lol

And local morons will still come to games to support the only game in town. Must be nice to be PATFO in SA, zero accountability from the fans and the toothless local media...

You left out the piece of paying him life changing money…….carry on. Nothing is forever homie!

[Robz4000]

Don't see the appeal Vegas holds for sports teams. Either the area is going to have to drastically cut its water use, thus limiting growth and probably causing population decline, or they're going to lose access to electricity from Hoover Dam by turning Lake Mead into a dead pool, which is way worse.

They'll prolly just steal water from the Edwards aquifer like they're stealing San Antonio's sports teams.

[Robz4000]

Don't see the appeal Vegas holds for sports teams. Either the area is going to have to drastically cut its water use, thus limiting growth and probably causing population decline, or they're going to lose access to electricity from Hoover Dam by turning Lake Mead into a dead pool, which is way worse.

They'll prolly just steal water from the Edwards aquifer like they're stealing San Antonio's sports teams.

[Mugen]

You left out the piece of paying him life changing money…….carry on. Nothing is forever homie!

Yeah because the Spurs are the only team in the league that could do that :lol

Congrats on being a diehard fan of a glorified minor league franchise that serves as a feeder team for better organizations tbh.

[Atl Spur]

Murray is NOT a franchise piece…..period! Same cats shitting on Westbrook over here slurping Murray for ONE good year.

[Mugen]

You left out the piece of paying him life changing money…….carry on. Nothing is forever homie!

Yeah because the Spurs are the only team in the league that could do that :lol

Congrats on being a diehard fan of a glorified minor league franchise that serves as a feeder team for better organizations tbh.

[slick'81]

Murray is NOT a franchise piece…..period! Same cats shitting on Westbrook over here slurping Murray for ONE good year.


https://static01-nyt-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/static01.nyt.com/images/2016/07/26/obituaries/27xp-MISSCLEO-obit/27xp-MISSCLEO-obit-jumbo.jpg

[Joseph Kony]

Murray is NOT a franchise piece…..period! Same cats shitting on Westbrook over here slurping Murray for ONE good year.
No shit dude. Most people are pissed because it sounds like SA is considering taking a trash deal full of mid to late firsts and Gallinari for DJ, not because they're considering trading him. We all understand why, but the proposed return sounds like ass thus far

tbf, we dont know how plugged in any of these guys are. no noise from SAs side so who really know what the actual proposed deal is. But expiring Gallo + a couple 20ish picks doesnt sound like a great return for a 25 year old allstar on a great deal coming off a historic individual season

[Atl Spur]

Yeah because the Spurs are the only team in the league that could do that :lol

Congrats on being a diehard fan of a glorified minor league franchise that serves as a feeder team for better organizations tbh.

Yeah because that’s what we’ve been…… find another team if you can’t stomach change. Crybaby

[Atl Spur]

Yeah because the Spurs are the only team in the league that could do that :lol

Congrats on being a diehard fan of a glorified minor league franchise that serves as a feeder team for better organizations tbh.

Yeah because that’s what we’ve been…… find another team if you can’t stomach change. Crybaby

[Mugen]

Sniff Crew gonna have to go full damage control this week :lol

[rankingtear]

Another motivation of trading Murray is the risk of losing him in 2 years, because there is zero chance he agrees on an extension. One of the downside of his salary being so cheap relative to market value.

[Mugen]

Yeah because that’s what we’ve been…… find another team if you can’t stomach change. Crybaby

:lol That's exactly what they've been the last several years:

-Kawhi traded = Raps Championship
-Derozan traded = Bulls best season in years
-DWhite traded = Celtics Finals Appearance

They've literally been a feeder team for better organizations since Kawhi dunked all over them. Dejounte is just next in line. But please keep clinging to the past when they were propped up by literally the most selfless, franchise player of all time :lol

[Mugen]

Yeah because that’s what we’ve been…… find another team if you can’t stomach change. Crybaby

:lol That's exactly what they've been the last several years:

-Kawhi traded = Raps Championship
-Derozan traded = Bulls best season in years
-DWhite traded = Celtics Finals Appearance

They've literally been a feeder team for better organizations since Kawhi dunked all over them. Dejounte is just next in line. But please keep clinging to the past when they were propped up by literally the most selfless, franchise player of all time :lol

[Atl Spur]

No shit dude. Most people are pissed because it sounds like SA is considering taking a trash deal full of mid to late firsts and Gallinari for DJ, not because they're considering trading him. We all understand why, but the proposed return sounds like ass thus far

tbf, we dont know how plugged in any of these guys are. no noise from SAs side so who really know what the actual proposed deal is. But expiring Gallo + a couple 20ish picks doesnt sound like a great return for a 25 year old allstar on a great deal coming off a historic individual season

Because I don’t know the deal…….I’ll keep my mouth shut. Emotional ass dudes on here ( not you )crying about shit they don’t any stock in! MF cry about your portfolio vs a team you follow for ENTERTAINMENT.

[Atl Spur]

No shit dude. Most people are pissed because it sounds like SA is considering taking a trash deal full of mid to late firsts and Gallinari for DJ, not because they're considering trading him. We all understand why, but the proposed return sounds like ass thus far

tbf, we dont know how plugged in any of these guys are. no noise from SAs side so who really know what the actual proposed deal is. But expiring Gallo + a couple 20ish picks doesnt sound like a great return for a 25 year old allstar on a great deal coming off a historic individual season

Because I don’t know the deal…….I’ll keep my mouth shut. Emotional ass dudes on here ( not you )crying about shit they don’t any stock in! MF cry about your portfolio vs a team you follow for ENTERTAINMENT.

[BackHome]

Man it's like they turned the light on and all the Cockroaches are coming out...:lol

[rascal]

Usually when you hear a lot of rumors, and a trade is not happening, then nothing happens.

The trades that really happen they just happen without all this back and forth talk and leaked rumors.

[rascal]

Usually when you hear a lot of rumors, and a trade is not happening, then nothing happens.

The trades that really happen they just happen without all this back and forth talk and leaked rumors.

[Degoat]

Because I don’t know the deal…….I’ll keep my mouth shut. Emotional ass dudes on here ( not you )crying about shit they don’t any stock in! MF cry about your portfolio vs a team you follow for ENTERTAINMENT.

That guy always talks about Sniffing Pops ass, has some sorta crush or fetish for Pop lol

[BackHome]

Because I don’t know the deal…….I’ll keep my mouth shut. Emotional ass dudes on here ( not you )crying about shit they don’t any stock in! MF cry about your portfolio vs a team you follow for ENTERTAINMENT.

I feel ya man my portfolio is getting crushed if this Inflation doesn't get worked out I will be working till I am 80...:dizzy

[Atl Spur]

I feel ya man my portfolio is getting crushed if this Inflation doesn't get worked out I will be working till I am 80...:dizzy

You and I both��

[Atl Spur]

That guy always talks about Sniffing Pops ass, has some sorta crush or fetish for Pop lol

Word? You got your few minutes of fame.

[Cardinal]

I think some of y’all losing your minds need to re-read the timvp article that spawned this thread. Nothing that has come out so far casts that info into doubt.

[spurraider21]

Don't see the appeal Vegas holds for sports teams. Either the area is going to have to drastically cut its water use, thus limiting growth and probably causing population decline, or they're going to lose access to electricity from Hoover Dam by turning Lake Mead into a dead pool, which is way worse.
not everybody just watched john oliver's segment on that

[Twisted_Dawg]

Maybe, just maybe, PATFO is trying to generate a bidding war for Dejounte with other teams around the league.

Hopefully they've learned to be better negotiators after the Kawhi ass rape return.

[baseline bum]

not everybody just watched john oliver's segment on that

Was watching these fisherman on Lake Mead the other day on youtube who were saying they're seeing the shit drop 8 inches a day right now :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Jake Fischer just said on his show he doesn't know anything about how far negotiations are, so basically nothing close to being finalized at all it seems

[slick'81]

Jake Fischer just said on his show he doesn't know anything about how far negotiations are, so basically nothing close to being finalized at all it seems


Fck jake fischer

[itzsoweezee]

Let the tank begin, finally. Only four years too late.

[PhantomDashCam]

Not sure you draft Sochan with the intention of blowing it up, starting from scratch.
Wright himself referred to him as a “connector”, “fits well with the group”…
There were arguably higher upside picks available.

If DJ was to get traded, I do believe that a godfather type offer would have to be on the cards.
Nothing we have heard so far suggests that’s the case.

I also remember reading on multiple occasions that the Spurs covet Bogdanovic from ATL so I would figure he would have to be a returning piece. Wether that has changed Post-Draft will be something to watch.

[tonight...you]

Jake Fischer is getting his Tspence sugar rush.

[CGD]

Jake Fischer just said on his show he doesn't know anything about how far negotiations are, so basically nothing close to being finalized at all it seems

Jake “rectum” Fischer

[KingKev]

Not sure you draft Sochan with the intention of blowing it up, starting from scratch.
Wright himself referred to him as a “connector”, “fits well with the group”…
There were arguably higher upside picks available.

If DJ was to get traded, I do believe that a godfather type offer would have to be on the cards.
Nothing we have heard so far suggests that’s the case.

I also remember reading on multiple occasions that the Spurs covet Bogdanovic from ATL so I would figure he would have to be a returning piece. Wether that has changed Post-Draft will be something to watch.


Great points. Also, thanks for getting rid of the fathead, fathead avatar!

[Spurs9]

Its all a negotiating tactic tbh to draw other teams in.

[BacktoBasics]

None of this passes the sniff test. They’re one good player away from making a nice playoff run.

The rumors only have them returning picks and Gallo. Just doesn’t make sense.

[Kurik]

Not sure you draft Sochan with the intention of blowing it up, starting from scratch.
Wright himself referred to him as a “connector”, “fits well with the group”…
There were arguably higher upside picks available.

If DJ was to get traded, I do believe that a godfather type offer would have to be on the cards.
Nothing we have heard so far suggests that’s the case.

I also remember reading on multiple occasions that the Spurs covet Bogdanovic from ATL so I would figure he would have to be a returning piece. Wether that has changed Post-Draft will be something to watch.


I don’t disagree that there are higher upside players but Sochan’s ceiling is all nba defender and he’s 19. To me he has plenty of upside in an unusual mold. I think the Spurs kind of knew they would get 1 of Branham or Wesley but did not expect both.

[talkspurs]

I want the trade and the Spurs to be a bottom three team and get lucky and land their franchise player.

That's the quickest way to be a contender again.

Keeping Murray keeps the Spurs in the low end of the lottery for years until they get a franchise changing player.

None of the players on the current team including Murray or the players the Spurs drafted this year are franchise changing players. They are nice complementary players but they need the franchise player.

I am sure this is what was said about jokic, kawhi, Giannias, and others. the only #1 pick that jump to mind that is considered franchise is embid. You have Ja and luka that were top 3. That still is 3 top 3 vs 3 not top 3. btw I dont consider durant and lehype as they are old. if you do that you also have to include curry .

[Degoat]

None of this passes the sniff test. They’re one good player away from making a nice playoff run.

The rumors only have them returning picks and Gallo. Just doesn’t make sense.

Right? I mean I’m not completely against trading DJ but Gallo + picks is a joke to me.

[BackHome]

Surfing the Web so it looks like the natives are restless the Celtics want in and New York want's in depending on what happens to Brunson. They definitely got the draft picks after the trades they made this past week. So may the best or worst organization win..:)

[Chinook]

The bitching from edgelords about the team tanking is outdated. The Spurs want to move the All-Star that they drafted in the 20s. Apparently, they're willing to do that because the guy they picked at 12 last year is still someone they think will be better. So either you want the team to tank because you trust their judgement with prospects and thus should not panic about a Murray trade, or you don't trust their judgment because they think Primo is a great prospect and thus shouldn't want the Spurs to tank.

Brian Wright also doesn't make particularly bad trades. I think that narrative died last year. The Leonard trade was the Leonard trade. The Bertans trade wasn't that bad and was made under false pretenses. Every other trade was fine. Outside the one time where folks meddled with the team and forced their hand, the Spurs have always drove a hard bargain on trades -- and that's resulted in them letting someone like Aldridge walk. Why people would believe the Spurs would go from Collins and three barely protected picks to Gallo and lotto-protected picks off the back of a throwaway line from a guy who keeps admitting he doesn't actually know anything is doomerism. I keep saying I don't believe the Spurs intend to trade Murray right now, and I stand by that. But if they did, it wouldn't be the worse thing

[RC_Drunkford]

so Gallo's contract being guaranteed seems to be a move in general, not really related to a DJ trade. Fischer does say the Spurs seem to be gearing up for a rebuild or at least some parts of the Spurs FO are feeling out that situation. The guy doesn't have any Spurs intel though, so he's probably just guessing

[Dverde]

None of this passes the sniff test. They’re one good player away from making a nice playoff run.

The rumors only have them returning picks and Gallo. Just doesn’t make sense.

I agree it doesn’t make sense. Pretty sure Spurs would want Bogdan back. Danilo makes sense if they don’t like John Collins and his huge long contract.

[Biggems]

https://hoopshabit.com/2022/06/26/nba-trades-dejounte-murray-san-antonio-spurs/amp/2/

Very interesting trade proposals

[CGD]

None of this passes the sniff test. They’re one good player away from making a nice playoff run.

The rumors only have them returning picks and Gallo. Just doesn’t make sense.

I hear you man, and I go back and forth on the tank v max Ayton camps by the hour(!) , but if there was ever a year to start the tank it’s now. Apparently the French kid is just that special.

[tonight...you]

The bitching from edgelords about the team tanking is outdated. The Spurs want to move the All-Star that they drafted in the 20s. Apparently, they're willing to do that because the guy they picked at 12 last year is still someone they think will be better. So either you want the team to tank because you trust their judgement with prospects and thus should not panic about a Murray trade, or you don't trust their judgment because they think Primo is a great prospect and thus shouldn't want the Spurs to tank.

Brian Wright also doesn't make particularly bad trades. I think that narrative died last year. The Leonard trade was the Leonard trade. The Bertans trade wasn't that bad and was made under false pretenses. Every other trade was fine. Outside the one time where folks meddled with the team and forced their hand, the Spurs have always drove a hard bargain on trades -- and that's resulted in them letting someone like Aldridge walk. Why people would believe the Spurs would go from Collins and three barely protected picks to Gallo and lotto-protected picks off the back of a throwaway line from a guy who keeps admitting he doesn't actually know anything is doomerism. I keep saying I don't believe the Spurs intend to trade Murray right now, and I stand by that. But if they did, it wouldn't be the worse thing
I'm of the opinion that these trade rumors are fluff.
But if it does have legs and it does go through... I'm now willing to look at Timvp's assertion that the team looks at Primo as the man to run the point with eyes wide open.
Maybe even allowing a tank season riding around his development as the PG and all of his mistakes in the process.

[PhantomDashCam]

I don’t disagree that there are higher upside players but Sochan’s ceiling is all nba defender and he’s 19. To me he has plenty of upside in an unusual mold. I think the Spurs kind of knew they would get 1 of Branham or Wesley but did not expect both.

That’s very fair. He also appears to have innate leadership qualities and has been playing against older players seemingly his entire life. PATFO may feel somewhat comfortable that he, along with some of the young carry overs can help fill that rather large void undoubtedly left with a DJ trade.


Great points. Also, thanks for getting rid of the fathead, fathead avatar!

:lol End of an era…

[Degoat]

None of this passes the sniff test. They’re one good player away from making a nice playoff run.

The rumors only have them returning picks and Gallo. Just doesn’t make sense.

Right? I mean I’m not completely against trading DJ but Gallo + picks is a joke to me.

[CGD]

If anything I hope it give other teams FOMO and they get involved.

[Degoat]

Take this for what you will… That Hawks “insider” on their fan website said this.

I got three updates
Most of the league thinks that Atlanta and SA trade should be made soon. SA brass all realizes that they are best going for Wemby, Henderson, Smith, and the Thompson twins and the fact that 2023 draft is so deep, they want as many picks as possible.
Atlanta is working with Gallinari to close out the trade. I know, you already know this shit but its confirmed.
Kyrie decided he wasn't passing on 40 million and losing his BR. He made a business decision and Brooklyn called his bluff.
Ayton market is greatly depressed as Detroit has moved to Miles Bridges. I am told PHX and him expect to work out a deal in a favorable range with Ayton.

[slick'81]

Take this for what you will… That Hawks “insider” on their fan website said this.

I got three updates
Most of the league thinks that Atlanta and SA trade should be made soon. SA brass all realizes that they are best going for Wemby, Henderson, Smith, and the Thompson twins and the fact that 2023 draft is so deep, they want as many picks as possible.
Atlanta is working with Gallinari to close out the trade. I know, you already know this shit but its confirmed.
Kyrie decided he wasn't passing on 40 million and losing his BR. He made a business decision and Brooklyn called his bluff.
Ayton market is greatly depressed as Detroit has moved to Miles Bridges. I am told PHX and him expect to work out a deal in a favorable range with Ayton.



:vomit::vomit:

[BackHome]

https://hoopshabit.com/2022/06/26/nba-trades-dejounte-murray-san-antonio-spurs/amp/2/

Very interesting trade proposals

One and two not bad.....

[Dejounte]

Take this for what you will… That Hawks “insider” on their fan website said this.

I got three updates
Most of the league thinks that Atlanta and SA trade should be made soon. SA brass all realizes that they are best going for Wemby, Henderson, Smith, and the Thompson twins and the fact that 2023 draft is so deep, they want as many picks as possible.
Atlanta is working with Gallinari to close out the trade. I know, you already know this shit but its confirmed.
Kyrie decided he wasn't passing on 40 million and losing his BR. He made a business decision and Brooklyn called his bluff.
Ayton market is greatly depressed as Detroit has moved to Miles Bridges. I am told PHX and him expect to work out a deal in a favorable range with Ayton.


I followed this guy for two offseasons and he’s had zero “reports” that have come to fruition yet people still eat it up

[Chinook]

I followed this guy for two offseasons and he’s had zero “reports” that have come to fruition yet people still eat it up

Yeah, it's weird that an insider for one team knows what "most of the league" thinks.

[RC_Drunkford]

Take this for what you will… That Hawks “insider” on their fan website said this.

I got three updates
Most of the league thinks that Atlanta and SA trade should be made soon. SA brass all realizes that they are best going for Wemby, Henderson, Smith, and the Thompson twins and the fact that 2023 draft is so deep, they want as many picks as possible.
Atlanta is working with Gallinari to close out the trade. I know, you already know this shit but its confirmed.
Kyrie decided he wasn't passing on 40 million and losing his BR. He made a business decision and Brooklyn called his bluff.
Ayton market is greatly depressed as Detroit has moved to Miles Bridges. I am told PHX and him expect to work out a deal in a favorable range with Ayton.


as far as I know for all these years he never made one right call. This has all basically been reported or is common logic. Doesn't mean anything tbh

[slick'81]

Yeah, it's weird that an insider for one team knows what "most of the league" thinks.


not weird at all. More like complete bs

[RC_Drunkford]

if the Spurs want as many picks as possible in the 2023 draft they can just take on bad contracts and move J-Rich and voila they got 3 picks