The Olde Town Pub of Dominick Barlow

[Chinook]

So apparently the Spurs signed Dominick Barlow to a two-way deal.

This is what ESPN said about him:


November 11, 2021: (Mock draft) -- Automatically eligible for the 2022 NBA draft as a 2021 high school graduate who elected to sign with a professional league, some eyebrows were raised by Barlow's decision to forgo college considering he was only the No. 80-ranked recruit in his high school class. So far, that decision hasn't looked as bad as it did when announced in September, as Barlow had a strong showing at the OTE pro day in front of 60 NBA scouts, and has been performing very well in six games played thus far as well, improving his draft stock in the process.

What Barlow lacks in pure size (6-foot-9) or strength (214 pounds) he makes up for with an impressive combination of fluidity, explosiveness, smarts and budding skill. He's regularly tasked with guarding players much smaller than him on the perimeter, and does a nice job of getting in a deep stance, turning his hips agilely and covering ground to make plays at the rim. While he's not the most physical rebounder or interior defender, the fact that he can legitimately guard players much smaller than him gives Barlow great versatility to tap into, and the soft touch around the rim and intriguing passing creativity he displays hint at good things to come down the road offensively as well. Barlow has yet to make a 3-pointer in six games but is shooting 82% from the free throw line and has made a number of difficult pull-up jumpers inside the arc, indicating plenty of room for growth in this area.

It remains to be seen how much value NBA teams will see in a prospect like Barlow who isn't blessed with incredible long-term upside, doesn't play a position that is all that hard to find, and is probably pretty far away from stepping on a NBA court at 18 years old, making him far from a lock to hear his name called. With another year on his contract at OTE, it's not hard to envision him finding a niche at the pro level in the summer of 2023 with the many things he brings to the floor, and it would not be surprising to see him develop into a NBA player down the road if he continues to improve. -- Jonathan Givony

Doesn't seem to be the center I wanted, but he is a big with potential.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Typical 2 years away from being 2 years away prospect, but apparently talented. Will be interesting seeing his role in Austin.

Whoever's mad about the 38th pick being traded should consider it as Barlow being taken there due to the willingness to sign a two-way. I actually liked Chandler there but oh well.

[td4mvp2k]

dont know much about him but he has the size they need

[timvp]

Nice! Was a top 60 prospect for me -- had him on the Big Board. He moves extremely well for a big man, is 6-foot-10 with a 7-foot-3 wingspan and his shooting stroke looks believable. He played trash competition on Overtime Elite so it was difficult to get a read on him but he's really intriguing, IMO.

Barlow was on Mitch Johnson's combine scrimmage team so the Spurs probably already got a good read on him. I would have been happy with Barlow at 38 after going with Sochan and the two guards ... so I'm thrilled with him as a two-way.

Big wins tonight, boys.

[Chinook]

Typical 2 years away from being 2 years away prospect, but apparently talented. Will be interesting seeing his role in Austin.

Whoever's mad about the 38th pick being traded should consider it as Barlow being taken there due to the willingness to sign a two-way. I actually liked Chandler there but oh well.

Yep, I considered that. There were some decent players who didn't get picked, and the Spurs using a two-way on them rather than using it on a random vet definitely takes some of the sting. I don't know if Barlow was the guy I wanted, but it seems like he's a guy folks didn't really get to see much of in general. Maybe the Spurs feel like there's something there. Not enough to take at 38, but we'll see.

[Chinook]

Some of the few YouTube highlights:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQ7ZlrIvpLc&ab_channel=TheScoutingRapport



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tQY9PphisY&ab_channel=TheScoutingRapport

[timvp]

ESPN had Barlow 48 so that's a good get for an undrafted two-way, tbh.

[Chinook]

ESPN had Barlow 48 so that's a good get for an undrafted two-way, tbh.

I mean, if you told me the Spurs were going to trade down from 38 to 48 then draft a guy to give a two-way to, I wouldn't be that mad. Blah, blah, still good players there and all, but I wouldn't hate the value. I guess the team really scouted the PF position this year. Obviously Sochan being a pick, but Minott and Houstan being so heavily linked to the team makes me think the Spurs really wanted to come out of tonight with at least one or two guys at that position.

[benefactor]

Yeah this is fucking solid. Spurs are having a great night. Best night of the post Duncan era tbh

[Chinook]

Holy shit, Barlow is 6-9 barefoot with a 7-3 wingspan. It wouldn't surprise me if he had a higher standing reach than Duren. He wouldn't be a giant center, but it's a position he might be able to grow into.

[SAGirl]

Interesting. I can’t deny though that he seems like yet again the Spurs skimping on big man talent and going with super value options, but they had more pressing needs than big men help.

Glad you ended up getting a big man prospect Chinook.

[Ariel]

I was a little disappointed we passed on some viable prospects in the 2nd round, but all in all this felt like a dream draft for me. True, we're not coming away with a franchise player, and we might barely make the top 5 most improved teams after the draft (I have Detroit, Houston and Orlando top 3, and OKC and us behind), but I think we made the most of what we had, and give how many scares we went through in the last few days (Caleb Houstan, Max Christie, Minott at 20, and so on) it feels ungrateful to ask for more than we got: an extremely versatile defensive stalwart and playmaker with excellent size and bball IQ, an excellent shooter with good size and extremely high character and work ethic, and a very athletic guard who can defend and score, all of whom are extremely young and with significant upside. So this night, major props to the FO for their job.

[AFBlue]

This thread title would have been more appropriate for Sochan given his English roots.

[Maddog]

Nice! Was a top 60 prospect for me -- had him on the Big Board. He moves extremely well for a big man, is 6-foot-10 with a 7-foot-3 wingspan and his shooting stroke looks believable. He played trash competition on Overtime Elite so it was difficult to get a read on him but he's really intriguing, IMO.

Barlow was on Mitch Johnson's combine scrimmage team so the Spurs probably already got a good read on him. I would have been happy with Barlow at 38 after going with Sochan and the two guards ... so I'm thrilled with him as a two-way.

Big wins tonight, boys.

He's 19 and 3 months old
Why wasn't he drafted? The above would seem to have him as a pick. 6'10, 7'3" wingspan. Combine numbers confirm size and decent to good athleticism- Makes FT at a good rate to suggest that his shooting stroke is real...

[SAGirl]

I was a little disappointed we passed on some viable prospects in the 2nd round, but all in all this felt like a dream draft for me. True, we're not coming away with a franchise player, and we might barely make the top 5 most improved teams after the draft (I have Detroit, Houston and Orlando top 3, and OKC and us behind), but I think we made the most of what we had, and give how many scares we went through in the last few days (Caleb Houstan, Max Christie, Minott at 20, and so on) it feels ungrateful to ask for more than we got: an extremely versatile defensive stalwart and playmaker with excellent size and bball IQ, an excellent shooter with good size and extremely high character and work ethic, and a very athletic guard who can defend and score, all of whom are extremely young and with significant upside. So this night, major props to the FO for their job.
When you mentioned Caleb Houston it just made me think he was the Spurs target at 38, but bc he went earlier then they just sold the pick. Houstan size would have fit in with adding another 6’8” player, this one more of a project but someone to make them more comfortable having depth and size to develop.

We will never know if the Spurs had actually given that promise. Lol

[Ariel]

When you mentioned Caleb Houston it just made me think he was the Spurs target at 38, but bc he went earlier then they just sold the pick. Houstan size would have fit in with adding another 6’8” player, this one more of a project but someone to make them more comfortable having depth and size to develop.

We will never know if the Spurs had actually given that promise. Lol
Houstan missed the combined and that started speculations that he might have received a promise, and given the reasons you mention and that the Spurs had multiple picks in the range he could conceivably go, they were one of the teams he was linked to (OKC being the other). But that's just about the whole foundation of the rumor, and it simply could have been a minor injury, or simply strategy (worked for Sharpe). That said, eventually it came out that he had multiple workouts, which would contradict the notion that he received a draft promise to keep himself from other teams, and he was eventually passed on both by the Spurs (at 25) and OKC (at 30 -traded to Denver- and 34 -Jaylin Williams-) to end up drafted by the Magic at 32. So, all in all, I think the most likely explanation is that there was no promise to begin with, and if there was, it was from Orlando and not the Spurs, IMO.

[John B]

Nice! Was a top 60 prospect for me -- had him on the Big Board. He moves extremely well for a big man, is 6-foot-10 with a 7-foot-3 wingspan and his shooting stroke looks believable. He played trash competition on Overtime Elite so it was difficult to get a read on him but he's really intriguing, IMO.

Barlow was on Mitch Johnson's combine scrimmage team so the Spurs probably already got a good read on him. I would have been happy with Barlow at 38 after going with Sochan and the two guards ... so I'm thrilled with him as a two-way.

Big wins tonight, boys.

Good info. I like him already.

[John B]

Maybe he’d make me forget Liddell at 38 or Kamagate.

[Kurik]

I’ve only watched the highlights but seems like he has a decent feel for the game and where to be.

[cutewizard]

He could be our own version of the Unicorn, albeit a Unicorn Jr hehehe

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=268aHnoxpf8

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=268aHnoxpf8

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8aCJqJ0gXg&t=297s

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tQY9PphisY&t=187s

[BackHome]

This thread title would have been more appropriate for Sochan given his English roots.

Yeah I think someone got them confused with Sochan cause Barlow is a New Jersey boy....

[CGD]

Man I feel bad for Joe Weiskamph. He’s gonna have a lot of competition

[Ariel]

Maybe he’d make me forget Liddell at 38 or Kamagate.
I'm hoping for that too :lol

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Ye. Come on Chinook, it's Ye Olde Towne Pub

[John B]

Man I feel bad for Joe Weiskamph. He’s gonna have a lot of competition

Don’t sleep on Joe Dirt. The guy got 42 inch vertical at the Combine :wow

[Mr. Body]

Yeah I think Wiesy stays for now. Last summer was about getting shooters and it was a direction that basically failed. I remember some of us discussing whether Corey Kispert could possibly be a good pick at 12. Forbes failed. McDermott essentially failed. Wieskamp is part of that push. Name of the game now is versatility and potential growth.

But we still need shooters and Wieskamp is cheap, growing into his game, and deserves a bit more time to see.

[Chinook]

I think Barlow and Wieskamp are the two-way guys this year unless Joe gets an international deal or something.

[Mnky]

I like this kid. Got a fire and elite burst you want to see down low in today's game. Definitely has tons of potential. Great 2 way signing. Look forward to watching Austin Spurs next year with some of these guys. Really great draft night.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab-2NwrYC8k

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Smart way to use the 2 way deal. Young guy who is rough around the edges but athletic and ha the potential to be something special

the G league team gonna be fun this year.

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Impossible as it is, getting Barlow, as a non-drafted 2-way signing, made this draft make sense. Put some meet on his bones and he's got the potential to play center. And he adds a platoon at the 4, so that potentially that spot goes from one of your worst spots to one of the best in 2 or 3 years with Sochan.

I went from quite pissed to quite happy over a 2 way. lol

[poopbox]

Undrafted and on a 2 way. If he sees 100 minutes of real game time over the course of his contract I would be shocked

[Maddog]

Undrafted and on a 2 way. If he sees 100 minutes of real game time over the course of his contract I would be shocked

Well statistically speaking you are absolutely correct
As I asked earlier why wasn't he drafted?

However hope springs eternal
And it's draft time where we spend hours discussing players who for the most part never amount to much....

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[Chinook]

Eubanks and KBD were also two-ways, and Forbes and Eubanks were undrafted players who made the team out of college. While the odds of Barlow being a rotation player in a couple of years aren't great, there's plenty of precedent. He's not on an SL or tryout contract.

[Biggems]

I like the fire and hunger inside this kid. He has his eyes on the prize, a legit NBA contract. He is willing to put in the work to make it happen. As Kenny Smith would say. "He is eating soup with a fork right now."

[Degoat]

I think it’s been discussed but I wanna say Barlow is repped by Primos agent, good karma when working with agents tbh

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1542501716402139136

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TrevorWrites/status/1542916455389282304

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/OvertimeElite/status/1542640964644265985

[PhantomDashCam]

As always, thanks for all your efforts in posting these u/d through various threads ace3g.

Spurs may have something here. Very unorthodox pathway to the NBA. Excited to watch his development.

[Maddog]

https://twitter.com/TrevorWrites/status/1542916455389282304

I ask again
Why wasn't he drafted?
TIMVP mentioned something about his agents asking not to be drafted.

[John B]

I ask again
Why wasn't he drafted?
TIMVP mentioned something about his agents asking not to be drafted.

I read somewhere that he asked not to be drafted (if that’s possible) and preferred getting in the NBA through a 2way contact. This kid’s willing to put in the works. Very Spursy.

[JeffDuncan]

I ask again
Why wasn't he drafted?
TIMVP mentioned something about his agents asking not to be drafted.


It may surprise people that, for the player, there is no financial advantage to being drafted in the 2nd round versus being undrafted. The contract rules are exactly the same. First-round picks benefit from special contract rules, but 2nd-round picks don’t.

It appears that the Spurs, after getting a good look at Barlow, promised him a two-way contract. The Spurs probably also told him they couldn’t draft him with their 2nd round pick, because of other plans. (They traded it.)

So Barlow accepted the guarantee from the Spurs, instead of the uncertainty of staying in the draft, where he could end up with nothing. A wise decision, I think. The acquaintance with coach Johnson surely helped.

[Dejounte]

Watching a little bit more of this guy

he doesn’t score or facilitate from the post at all

which leaves me in doubt that he can play C, which I initially had thought he could do. He theoretically could if he was strong enough to handle bigs on defense. It’s hard to find footage of this guy.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/tom_orsborn/status/1544799866718539777

[Chinook]

"She kept pushing me." I think that's true for most of our mothers, at least at the beginning.

[KingKev]

It may surprise people that, for the player, there is no financial advantage to being drafted in the 2nd round versus being undrafted. The contract rules are exactly the same. First-round picks benefit from special contract rules, but 2nd-round picks don’t.

It appears that the Spurs, after getting a good look at Barlow, promised him a two-way contract. The Spurs probably also told him they couldn’t draft him with their 2nd round pick, because of other plans. (They traded it.)

So Barlow accepted the guarantee from the Spurs, instead of the uncertainty of staying in the draft, where he could
end up with nothing. A wise decision, I think. The acquaintance with coach Johnson surely helped.

It’s all a negotiation so having the right representation helps. Look at Kennedy Chandler.

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"She kept pushing me." I think that's true for most of our mothers, at least at the beginning.

Ba dum dum tss

[Maddog]

It may surprise people that, for the player, there is no financial advantage to being drafted in the 2nd round versus being undrafted. The contract rules are exactly the same. First-round picks benefit from special contract rules, but 2nd-round picks don’t.

It appears that the Spurs, after getting a good look at Barlow, promised him a two-way contract. The Spurs probably also told him they couldn’t draft him with their 2nd round pick, because of other plans. (They traded it.)

So Barlow accepted the guarantee from the Spurs, instead of the uncertainty of staying in the draft, where he could end up with nothing. A wise decision, I think. The acquaintance with coach Johnson surely helped.

I understand that there's no real difference between undrafted and second round for a player, but what was to prevent another team from drafting him?
He definitely looks a lot more intriguing than a lot of players taken in the second round

[wildbill2u]

I like him. Great length and wingspan to go with amazing nimbleness, handling and athleticism for that size--and probably still growing. In Addition, I like his body structure from ground to shoulders. It looks pretty damn solid with the ability to put on some more weight and muscle without losing his current athleticism.

Also, did you notice he has the ability to move, pivot and shoot with his off (left) hand. I've watched KBD miss so many layups where he'd get loose from his man and blow the shot at the rim. This kid just may be a real find for the PF spot.

[rjv]

barlow may be the beneficiary of sochan being ruled out.

[cutewizard]

Barlow looked comfortable in the summer league

[John B]

Barlow looked comfortable in the summer league

He’s a great find, and only 19! Only good things could come from getting him this early and Barlow willing to put in the work. And if any “growth spurt” still possible, sonofabitch I’m in!

[ceperez]

He’s a great find, and only 19! Only good things could come from getting him this early and Barlow willing to put in the work. And if any “growth spurt” still possible, sonofabitch I’m in!

Indeed. He's got a 7'3" wingspan too. A lot of upside.

[John B]

Indeed. He's got a 7'3" wingspan too. A lot of upside.

Man we have five 19 years old ala Fav 5 :lol

[BatManu20]

The Spurs have officially signed Dominick Barlow to a two-way contract.

[BatManu20]

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[John B]

The Spurs have officially signed Dominick Barlow to a two-way contract.

Great find.

[Atl Spur]

I hope they don’t rush his development! He may still be growing:)

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/oqYYiK7LBNc

Honestly, Barlow looks like how I thought Sochan would look, albeit a skinny and taller version. Obviously, I hope Sochan is much more. But Barlow looks incredibly agile out there. He needs to work on his hands though.

[Dejounte]

The sad thing is, since he’s on a two way, we shouldnt expect him to carve out a role on the big club until next year at the earliest. So if anyone wants to follow his development, better watch all the g league games. IMO, this signing is peak Spurs and is one of the best in years. I know it’s early, but I feel they knocked this one out of the ballpark. I don’t like to make extreme claims like this one, but when I do, it’s because I have a strong feeling (just like I did with Wesley and JWill, who rose to #12 pick).

[rjv]

Barlow has a nice skill set but he seems to work hard and is engaged on the court. The kid is still out to prove something. He's very raw but I will be definitely following his progress in the G League this season.

[Chinook]

He arguably played against lower competition than he would have had he gone to a good college. I know he wasn't highly recruited, but I'm just saying he has a long way to grow. It would help if he's actually able to grow a bit more. He's big enough to be a center if he puts on weight, but another inch or two would seal it. His floor game is interesting, but I'd much rather him focus on spot-up shooting and rolling right now. He seems to have stone hands, which is concerning for potential as a finisher. Defensively, I liked everything I saw from him. He's going to be competent on that end, but he does seem like he'll be too small to be a true game-defining guy. I think he's going to have to make it as a combination of offense or defense. He's got good potential on both ends, but he seems to lack the elite potential at either to make it solely based on that.

[DAF86]

He arguably played against lower competition than he would have had he gone to a good college. I know he wasn't highly recruited, but I'm just saying he has a long way to grow. It would help if he's actually able to grow a bit more. He's big enough to be a center if he puts on weight, but another inch or two would seal it. His floor game is interesting, but I'd much rather him focus on spot-up shooting and rolling right now. He seems to have stone hands, which is concerning for potential as a finisher. Defensively, I liked everything I saw from him. He's going to be competent on that end, but he does seem like he'll be too small to be a true game-defining guy. I think he's going to have to make it as a combination of offense or defense. He's got good potential on both ends, but he seems to lack the elite potential at either to make it solely based on that.

I don't know. If you look at the teams that are making it on the NBA right now, their crunch time lineups don't usually have incredible tall centers. Draymond Green, Horford, Adebayo, Powell/Kleber, just to name the latest conference finalists.

[Dejounte]

His defense on Kuminga and even Wiseman was super impressive. Not fouling and even made them miss.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

"She kept pushing me." I think that's true for most of our mothers, at least at the beginning.

:lol Very nice.

[wildbill2u]

He's a growing kid who is growing into his body while maintaining great athleticism instead of having some awkwardness. We don't have anyone on the roster with his physical attributes. I believe he will be the Spurs "steal" of this year. The other guys we took were well-known and at major schools where they were scouted intensively. This kid was pretty much under the radar.

Little things i picked up: Moves well without ball to get open. Pretty good handle for a big guy (spin moves, cross over) can take a hit and complete the shot, athletic blocks and rebounds. 3 pt range ok. Now we face the conundrum of whether he plays in Austin to hone his game or gets real world experience with the big club.

[Atl Spur]

He's a growing kid who is growing into his body while maintaining great athleticism instead of having some awkwardness. We don't have anyone on the roster with his physical attributes. I believe he will be the Spurs "steal" of this year. The other guys we took were well-known and at major schools where they were scouted intensively. This kid was pretty much under the radar.

Little things i picked up: Moves well without ball to get open. Pretty good handle for a big guy (spin moves, cross over) can take a hit and complete the shot, athletic blocks and rebounds. 3 pt range ok. Now we face the conundrum of whether he plays in Austin to hone his game or gets real world experience with the big club.

I hope austin for a year; no rush to bring him up. Reps is what he will need at this level of competition.

[John B]

I don't know if there's any intention of drafting a stash with Barlow in mind. That could be a CIA-Ginobili on asking about international contract to throw off the scent :lol

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

He is looking like a great pick up. Dude is a good athlete for a big and plays hard all the time. Austin Spurs are going to be fun to watch this season with him and the other rookies we have.

I do hope Sochan plays more with the big club though.

[Dejounte]

Barlow is the first player ever from Overtime Elite that has signed a contract with an NBA team

the other two are on X10 deals

Overtime Elite is a league that was only set up a year ago. It is backed by Durant, Melo, and others. The way I understand it, is that the focus for setting it up is to allow aspiring teens to have access to adult basketball training to prepare them for their future basketball career.

so this is a very unique path.

and if Barlow makes it, then in a way this will be similar to how Manu was drafted— the Spurs trailblazing a way for finding good players in places other teams didn’t want to look yet

[Chinook]

I far prefer the Ignite to the Elite. It's a much better level of competition and exposes the players. Of course having a league of like players could make sense, especially if it stops becoming the expectation that players are one-and-done and thus can build some continuity. Having more alternatives to the NCAA is a good thing, but if I were a top recruit, I would totally pick the Ignite at this point.

[Ariel]

Barlow is the first player ever from Overtime Elite that has signed a contract with an NBA team

the other two are on X10 deals

Overtime Elite is a league that was only set up a year ago. It is backed by Durant, Melo, and others. The way I understand it, is that the focus for setting it up is to allow aspiring teens to have access to adult basketball training to prepare them for their future basketball career.

so this is a very unique path.

and if Barlow makes it, then in a way this will be similar to how Manu was drafted— the Spurs trailblazing a way for finding good players in places other teams didn’t want to look yet
I think it's for players 16 to 19. It has yet to find it's niche, but I suspect it may end up as an alternative to high schoolers rather than College or the G League. But yes, being a pioneer is a good way to reap big time rewards before everyone else catches on. It's just amazing at how little cost that opportunity came (Barlow). Seems like a great find.

[Seventyniner]

I think it's for players 16 to 19. It has yet to find it's niche, but I suspect it may end up as an alternative to high schoolers rather than College or the G League. But yes, being a pioneer is a good way to reap big time rewards before everyone else catches on. It's just amazing at how little cost that opportunity came (Barlow). Seems like a great find.

It sounds like Overtime Elite and the Ignite are not always mutually exclusive. A player could go to Overtime at 16 and get picked up by the Ignite at 18 if he's good enough, then get drafted a year later.

[cutewizard]

Barlow could be our Kevin Mchale

Hope he learns from Duncan a lot

[John B]

I suspect Barlow was their target all-along as their 4th pick having Primo's agent and all, and played wonderfully on Spurs plan, not having enough roster spot. I wonder which other teams could be interested in him. He did perform well at the Combine.

[John B]

https://youtu.be/TQ7ZlrIvpLc

[Chinook]

It's also possible the Spurs end up agreeing to upgrade Barlow to a full contract once the dust settles. He may or may not be willing to sign a Hinkie special, but a two-way deal isn't a vehicle to control that it might seem. It has a more restrictive RFA process than a regular deal does. With Poeltl and the others still being on the team, it makes sense for Barlow to not being on the main roster. But if Jakob does get sent out without another center coming back, then Barlow might end up playing enough to require upgrading his contract. We'll have to see him in camp against actual NBA bigs before worrying about that, though.

[Maddog]

It's also possible the Spurs end up agreeing to upgrade Barlow to a full contract once the dust settles. He may or may not be willing to sign a Hinkie special, but a two-way deal isn't a vehicle to control that it might seem. It has a more restrictive RFA process than a regular deal does. With Poeltl and the others still being on the team, it makes sense for Barlow to not being on the main roster. But if Jakob does get sent out without another center coming back, then Barlow might end up playing enough to require upgrading his contract. We'll have to see him in camp against actual NBA bigs before worrying about that, though.

I'm still intrigued by the fact no one drafted him in the second round or he was lightly recruited out of high school

[ceperez]

https://youtu.be/TQ7ZlrIvpLc

(1) Runs ahead of everyone on the break.
(2) Makes most of his free throws
(3) Has good handles for his size
(4) Can hit the 3
(5) Can finish with contact.
(6) 7'3" winspan that you cannot teach!

I don't get why he wasn't drafted.

He's only 19 and you can see that his legs aren't that strong. But he's got the frame to build muscle.

Smith drafted #3 had trouble scoring on him.

19 year olds aren't expected to have a big impact on the NBA. But if we look at the growth trajectory of Keldon who was 19 when he was drafted, there's a lot of upside here.

[John B]

(1) Runs ahead of everyone on the break.
(2) Makes most of his free throws
(3) Has good handles for his size
(4) Can hit the 3
(5) Can finish with contact.
(6) 7'3" winspan that you cannot teach!

I don't get why he wasn't drafted.

He's only 19 and you can see that his legs aren't that strong. But he's got the frame to build muscle.

Smith drafted #3 had trouble scoring on him.

19 year olds aren't expected to have a big impact on the NBA. But if we look at the growth trajectory of Keldon who was 19 when he was drafted, there's a lot of upside here.

Absolute steal. I was hoping that they’d draft a Duren, Williams but couldn’t get that high. I was pretty bummed. But watching this kid, wtf? This kid deserves a late 1st round, at least early second round, but undrafted and on a two-way? :lol

[Maddog]

A little further digging and he get's even more intriguing.
I and others don't understand why no one took a flyer on him in the second round and even more so why wasn't he heavily recruited out of high school?
Turns out last year his growth plates were still open....
Looks like he is still adjusting to his body.
Probably explains the light recruiting , but still don't get why someone didn't take a flyer in the second round. Like most non 1st round picks the odds are against him amounting to much- but there's a lot there to make you want invest in him


Just last year, Dominick Barlow was playing for Dumont High School and dominating the competition in North Jersey.

Listed as a 6-foot-5 senior, he dropped 38 points on New Milford, 33 on River Dell and 32 on Bergenfield in January and February of 2021.

Little more than a year later, Barlow, now measuring at 6-10 after a growth spurt during the winter and spring of 2020-21,

https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/05/nba-draft-combine-18-year-old-nj-native-dominick-barlow-could-hear-his-named-called-at-the-nba-draft-after-pursuing-unique-path.html

[The Truth #6]

Primo and Barlow’s agent seems to really like open growth plates. It’s a creative schtick I suppose in trying to find clients.

[XDT76]

A little further digging and he get's even more intriguing.
I and others don't understand why no one took a flyer on him in the second round and even more so why wasn't he heavily recruited out of high school?
Turns out last year his growth plates were still open....
Looks like he is still adjusting to his body.
Probably explains the light recruiting , but still don't get why someone didn't take a flyer in the second round. Like most non 1st round picks the odds are against him amounting to much- but there's a lot there to make you want invest in him



https://www.nj.com/sports/2022/05/nba-draft-combine-18-year-old-nj-native-dominick-barlow-could-hear-his-named-called-at-the-nba-draft-after-pursuing-unique-path.html
:rollin
Any chance that Blake and Malaki have a growth spurt this year?

[CGD]

The Overtime Elite model is interesting (though Ignite has better players so far).

It reminds me of the international soccer model where big clubs scour talent from across the globe and put kids as young as 10 years old in their "academies," which includes schooling, housing for family, and of course development. Cesc Fàbregas is an example (not saying we should expect that from Barlow, lol!)

[Dejounte]

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1616615633306763264?s=46

The forgotten child.

Dude has been killing it lately.

Historically, undrafted players barely make it in the NBA. But then again, it’s unprecedented that a player has ever been taken from the Overtime Elite. If there is a brain to go along with his talent, then he could be harnessed into something special.

[CGD]

If moves are made here at the deadline, i think we'll start seeing him more at the big club

[Mr. Body]

Can anyone explain why he had to do OTE instead of an actual learning environment last year? Or was it his choice?

[Chinook]

Places like Ignite and Elite are here to stay. The mission should be making those teams better rather than trying to push prospects away. Even if the Ignite is the better model, there's only one of them, which means some prospects wouldn't get the minutes to show anything to scouts.

[Mr. Body]

Places like Ignite and Elite are here to stay. The mission should be making those teams better rather than trying to push prospects away. Even if the Ignite is the better model, there's only one of them, which means some prospects wouldn't get the minutes to show anything to scouts.

No doubt they're here to stay. They get Klutch and ESPN money/involvement. But something shitty's going on with young players and how the NBA is having to project futures. I don't remember players who have shown absolutely nothing the year before drafted getting drafted before -- guys like Peyton Watson and Brandon Boston. The NBA is taking massive swings on Wiseman and others.

If Ignite and Elite are immovable, then, yes, they have to be improved, because they're not doing any favors for the players they have.

[CGD]

^ well it’s not like college ball is showing the way either. And the recent SCOTUS decision on college sports will only make the ignite et al model more appealing

[The Truth #6]

In theory, those places would help with technical training with skills, but even if they were able to do that, I have doubts how much they would help with working in a normal team environment and accepting proper coaching and things like that.

[emanueldavidginobili]

1620099169418612739

Good thread right here on Barlow, the kid is a very intriguing prospect.

[Mr. Body]

In theory, those places would help with technical training with skills, but even if they were able to do that, I have doubts how much they would help with working in a normal team environment and accepting proper coaching and things like that.

Right. Working on skills is one thing. Playing in games is another. Playing in games that count is what you want. No games that Ignite or Elite play in matter one single bit. Sure, you're playing against grown men and athletes and whatever, and those players want contracts, but this still isn't a good game environment. In college, you still get hostile arenas, better coaches gameplanning against you, and if you lose games, you're dropping in conference standings and missing out on year-end tournaments. Possessions matter because games matter.

[CGD]

Lets just bring the kid up for the balance of the season

[John B]

Right. Working on skills is one thing. Playing in games is another. Playing in games that count is what you want. No games that Ignite or Elite play in matter one single bit. Sure, you're playing against grown men and athletes and whatever, and those players want contracts, but this still isn't a good game environment. In college, you still get hostile arenas, better coaches gameplanning against you, and if you lose games, you're dropping in conference standings and missing out on year-end tournaments. Possessions matter because games matter.

Scoot texted. He’s slotted to get drafted #2 and playing for Ignite

[wildbill2u]

Perhaps Barlow still adjusting to his growth spurt as some have speculated, but damn he still has a lot of mobility and handling ability when I look at him in games. Tall, but not too hefty right now. Could he be the fabled unicorn PF we've been searching for?

[Mr. Body]

I like what I saw from him tonight. I hope they keep him up and just play him.

[John B]

If he continues, Pop will need to create a spot for him. KBD as a filler? It will be interesting who gets moved this trade deadline.

[wildbill2u]

I watched him a lot during the game to focus in on his skillset. One of the most telling things about him was when he got isolated above the 3 pt. line on defense against their PG Mackey (?) No. 10. In one instance Mackey tried several moves against Barlow and Barlow had the right foot work to counter and stay with him. Mackey finally tried to drive around him and Barlow was right on him all the way to the basket and altered his shot. We've never had a center or even a 6'10" PF that could do that in my memory. Larry Kenon comes to mind but I think he was always a SF.

Another time he came from the corner to attempt a rebound/dunk OVER Embeid from behind. He got called for a foul but it surprised the hell out of Embeid and got some props from the Sixers broadcast team.

He sets up in the corner a lot, even though the Spurs are playing him at center. Not afraid to shoot the 3 from anywhere either. I'd really like to see him paired with Poertle or Collins more at PF.

[Rocalcio]

I watched him a lot during the game to focus in on his skillset. One of the most telling things about him was when he got isolated above the 3 pt. line on defense against their PG Mackey (?) No. 10. In one instance Mackey tried several moves against Barlow and Barlow had the right foot work to counter and stay with him. Mackey finally tried to drive around him and Barlow was right on him all the way to the basket and altered his shot. We've never had a center or even a 6'10" PF that could do that in my memory. Larry Kenon comes to mind but I think he was always a SF.

Another time he came from the corner to attempt a rebound/dunk OVER Embeid from behind. He got called for a foul but it surprised the hell out of Embeid and got some props from the Sixers broadcast team.

He sets up in the corner a lot, even though the Spurs are playing him at center. Not afraid to shoot the 3 from anywhere either. I'd really like to see him paired with Poertle or Collins more at PF.

Maxey

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PHdzNAVCEA

[wildbill2u]

Still like him although some other players are coming on stronger maybe (Big Mamu & Chamagnie). He just doesn't get separation anywhere he moves on offense. Able to knock down short jumpers which isn't all that easy and put back some bunnies off easy rebounds, but looks like a lot of rookies on offense who are afraid to take their opportunities. He needs to press harder in this opportunity to play more minutes with the big club against quality opponents.

[Mr. Body]

Still like him although some other players are coming on stronger maybe (Big Mamu & Chamagnie). He just doesn't get separation anywhere he moves on offense. Able to knock down short jumpers which isn't all that easy and put back some bunnies off easy rebounds, but looks like a lot of rookies on offense who are afraid to take their opportunities. He needs to press harder in this opportunity to play more minutes with the big club against quality opponents.

He seems more in a Clint Capela mold. Not quite the same, but not there for offense. Trying to get his rotations and defense down and then eventually build up a post game. To me he looks pretty nice - makes nice reads and passes, has good instincts down low on D, bodies guys up, doesn't pout or get down. I think they know he's on a longer timeline and he'll spend time in G-League next year.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PHdzNAVCEA

Good vid that gets into why I think a lot of players have problems in the NBA. It's not because of talent, it's because a lot of being a professional happens off the court. Staying prepared, taking care of yourself, getting ready mentally, occupying time. It's not all about getting out there and overwhelming guys with your crossover.

[Mal]

He looks like he will stick around

[Mr. Body]

I like a lot of things about Dom. He moves really well in space for his size, has good athleticism, is learning the nuances. What strikes me is he has really good hands on defense and that's really big.

[RC_Drunkford]

He's a long time project. Spurs will keep him around as they should

[John B]

21 and 19 in 34 mins today.

[Mr. Body]

He's improved a lot. True, against limited competition, but he's in the right spots doing the right things. Kudos to him.

[Dejounte]

Is Barlow the 2nd overall pick of the 2023 draft or Brandon Miller? Sheesh!

[scott]

Maybe C depth ain't so bad

[Dejounte]

Lock him up for four years tbh

[jermaine]

I glad we didn't sign anotha big. I wanna see what he got

[Kurik]

Lock him up for four years tbh

Agreed, even if he tops out as a 4th big a 4 year 8-9m deal would be great.

[CGD]

Lock him up for four years tbh

Agree. Said this elsewhere, but I think they’re gonna give him every chance to earn a contract. I think they like him. He just has to show out and take it.

[NickiRasgo]

Barlow does look like a combination of Lopez Twins and Bronny James. lol

[Mr. Body]

I'm not irked by not signing a center this offseason.

[Dejounte]

Barlow is ending Kai Jones’ career tonight lol

[Kurik]

I'm not irked by not signing a center this offseason.

Hopefully they sign one after the game to a real contract.

[Ariel]

Unfortunately I missed the first half, but it looks like Barlow is killing it. It's still one preseason game, but at the very least I'd say not many 2nd rounders look better than Barlow and Champagnie, the young guys we picked up last year seem like a great bunch.

[Mr. Body]

Unfortunately I missed the first half, but it looks like Barlow is killing it. It's still one preseason game, but at the very least I'd say not many 2nd rounders look better than Barlow and Champagnie, the young guys we picked up last year seem like a great bunch.

Barlow and Champagnie aren't even second rounders.

[scott]

Unfortunately I missed the first half, but it looks like Barlow is killing it. It's still one preseason game, but at the very least I'd say not many 2nd rounders look better than Barlow and Champagnie, the young guys we picked up last year seem like a great bunch.

I'd also say no first rounders on CHA look better than Barlow and Champ, including the #2 overall!

[BatManu20]

The most impressive a Spur has looked in SL since fat-head tbh. Hope it continues.

[Ariel]

Barlow and Champagnie aren't even second rounders.
No kidding. I'm making a point that they look better than any 2nd round pick in the past 2 years... I'd say probably better than any 23 pick or worse (last year Kessler went 22 and Braun 21, other than that I might say top 20).

[Obstructed_View]

I just love this kid. How do you not root for him?

[scott]

Nembhard and Jaden Hardy maybe? Kenneth Lofton did up 42 in an NBA game

[CGD]

I hope they don’t screw it up. Just sign him now and figure it out the roster spots later. Can always cut Berch and the two inbound from Cleveland.

[CGD]

Nembhard and Jaden Hardy maybe? Kenneth Lofton did up 42 in an NBA game

Obviously Herb Jones can’t be overlooked.

[scott]

Obviously Herb Jones can’t be overlooked.

Ah, I thought Ariel was just talking this past draft and last year. If including 2021, we already have the guys I'd want from that second round... Bassey and Mamu!

[Dejounte]

What about dem OTE guys?? Eh? Eh??

Btw, how is Barlow’s fit with Wemby? Too rail thin?

[Dejounte]

Investing and committing to Barlow now means less likely signings of vet FA’s later, or maybe even marquee FA’s. You can only have so many roster spots for people.

[DAF86]

What about dem OTE guys?? Eh? Eh??

Btw, how is Barlow’s fit with Wemby? Too rail thin?

Great fit, imho. 2 guys that can exchange the 2 bigmen position at will, both good off the ball too.

[Kurik]

Investing and committing to Barlow now means less likely signings of vet FA’s later, or maybe even marquee FA’s. You can only have so many roster spots for people.

It’s a good problem to have if someone worthwhile comes along, Spurs can easily cut or package someone with second round picks to open up a spot.

[scott]

A few more SL performances like this and Dom may deserve a 4/10 along the lines of what Bassey got... but giving that to him is going to make hitting the floor much more difficult. Dom might need to wait until midseason to hit his payday.

[slick'81]

Dirty dom's coming out party

[Dejounte]

Unfortunately I missed the first half, but it looks like Barlow is killing it. It's still one preseason game, but at the very least I'd say not many 2nd rounders look better than Barlow and Champagnie, the young guys we picked up last year seem like a great bunch.

This goes back to my point in the Sidy thread (not related to anything you and I talked about) that second round picks are a crapshoot for talent and it’s all about receptiveness and hard work from that point on. The value of the Spurs program is what shines here, not the Spurs’ scouting skills. I mean, scouting-wise, they probably focus on character first and foremost with those second round / undrafted picks.

Barlow is a great dude who has been putting the work in and making the most out of his opportunities.

[DAF86]

This goes back to my point in the Sidy thread (not related to anything you and I talked about) that second round picks are a crapshoot for talent and it’s all about receptiveness and hard work from that point on. The value of the Spurs program is what shines here, not the Spurs’ scouting skills. I mean, scouting-wise, they probably focus on character first and foremost with those second round / undrafted picks.

Barlow is a great dude who has been putting the work in and making the most out of his opportunities.

He also has a 9 feet standing reach while being mobile and having a jumpshot, tbh. Spurs have had many great character guys that worked hard but just didn't have the tools, tbh.

[Dejounte]

He also has a 9 feet standing reach while being mobile and having a jumpshot, tbh. Spurs have had many great character guys that worked hard but just didn't have the tools, tbh.

Barlow having measurements like that wasn’t any secret, which goes to my point about scouting for talent secondary. You can name a ton of players with great physical tools, but no rhyme or reason to them. Just look at Kai Jones’ failed career.

[Robz4000]

Time to trade Wemby to build around Barlow?

[DAF86]

Barlow having measurements like that wasn’t any secret, which goes to my point about scouting for talent secondary. You can name a ton of players with great physical tools, but no rhyme or reason to them. Just look at Kai Jones’ failed career.

Yeah, Spurs have had quite a bit of those too, tbh. It's all about opportunities and being in the right moment at the right time. The difference between the G-league and a life saving contract many times comes down to landing on the right team at the right moment, and it is not a condition reserved solely to the Spurs, tbh.

[BackHome]

Yeah, I mentioned that the Spurs really got guys with good character with the work ethic that you want in your organization in last year and this years draft and pickups. They definitely stayed far away from the Luka/Primo type of players.......

[Spurs Homer]

Just the way barlow is moving tells me he has been putting in work…

he runs better, moves better, jumps better, shoots better, looks fluid and coordinated compared to just last season where he looked gangly and a bit stiff and unpolished…

[John B]

Just the way barlow is moving tells me he has been putting in work…

he runs better, moves better, jumps better, shoots better, looks fluid and coordinated compared to just last season where he looked gangly and a bit stiff and unpolished…

I hope this continues JC and Barlow, and likewise the rest of our young guys. Wemby coming put an urgency for everybody to get better fast or be left off. This team is just going to get better, and they’re in for the ride. And with the same age, how nice it is to collect rings together? I expect everybody working hard than ever on their game.

[NickiRasgo]

Hope he gets that multi-year contract - similar with Bassey or Champagne.


https://youtube.com/shorts/2TKGchOSjNo?feature=share4

[ace3g]

Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CuQq4sZrSkb/)

Some photos from tonight

[vander]

so how much do the Spurs have to pay him to reach the floor?

[RC_Drunkford]

so how much do the Spurs have to pay him to reach the floor?

1.8 million I think. Just give him 2 and we there

[emanueldavidginobili]

Great game from Barlow, he has great control of his body. That cross over spin with the finish with his left hand was impressive and shows a sign of his potential to score on his own. Shit his last game he played he dropped 21/19 granted it was against the Mavericks scrubs but an NBA game nonetheless.

[couchman]

Best thing was the lack of hesitation.
Barlow knew what opportunities he was looking for and took them confidently when they came.
His shot is a little flat footed though… curious if that keeps being open for him without more elevation.

[slick'81]

Dirty dom definitely was feeling that midrange

[spurraider21]

Dirty dom definitely was feeling that midrange
Imo that’s his ticket to the nba. Is he’s gonna be a small 5, he’ll need at least that much range.

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[emanueldavidginobili]

https://youtu.be/D9SbuQ7HLo4


As Couchman noted a couple post ago, the lack of hesitation pops out in this highlight of last nights game. Kids just catching it and shooting it confidently without thinking twice about it. I don’t know If it’s his lower body when he shoots it or something but when he shoot’s it, it does remind me of LMA sort of.

[Mr. Body]

https://youtu.be/D9SbuQ7HLo4


As Couchman noted a couple post ago, the lack of hesitation pops out in this highlight of last nights game. Kids just catching it and shooting it confidently without thinking twice about it.

Barlow is really springy and agile for his size. He moves very quickly and can get those second jumps up fast. Not only a good shotblocker, his hands are really good at chest level and below, reacting to passes and can dig when a guy is passing him. He's a defensive threat and can rebound outside his area fairly well.

[Seventyniner]

As Couchman noted a couple post ago, the lack of hesitation pops out in this highlight of last nights game. Kids just catching it and shooting it confidently without thinking twice about it. I don’t know If it’s his lower body when he shoots it or something but when he shoot’s it, it does remind me of LMA sort of.

Thanks for the vid. :bobo

That fast break dunk at the end had a tiny bit of that Dr J rock the baby feel.

LMA got most of his midrange jumpers from isos in the block iirc while Barlow's jumpers last night were mostly pick and pop, though in today's league it's a bit strange to see that action inside the arc. Barlow does need that range to be a credible offensive threat, and I wonder if him taking so many was a point of emphasis by the coaching staff.

[Mr. Body]

Thanks for the vid. :bobo

That fast break dunk at the end had a tiny bit of that Dr J rock the baby feel.

LMA got most of his midrange jumpers from isos in the block iirc while Barlow's jumpers last night were mostly pick and pop, though in today's league it's a bit strange to see that action inside the arc. Barlow does need that range to be a credible offensive threat, and I wonder if him taking so many was a point of emphasis by the coaching staff.

I see no reason he can't extend it more in time. It's a bit slow but it doesn't look bad at all.

[kobyz]

You think a team gonna try steal him from us with big offer?

[Kurik]

You think a team gonna try steal him from us with big offer?

I doubt it but if a team tries to I believe the Spurs can match anything. A big offer for Barlow to me would be 2-3m a year.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1676255147037425666

[spurraider21]

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[spurraider21]

Main flaws pointed out were his passing (missed cutters) and drop coverage rim protection. But very high on wide/lateral defense and switch ability. Also thinks given how young he is, plausible his shooting range extends possibly out to corner 3s.

That will be huge if he’s gonna be a small 5 or a big wing

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1676255147037425666

I think Kai Jones has taken over the mantle. Dude sucked massively.

[Mr. Body]

Thread

1676311203709087745

Great clip. His footwork and movement on the perimeter is really good.

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1676255147037425666

What does the part on the left say? Twitter is deader than disco and I can't read it.

[tonight...you]

What does the part on the left say? Twitter is deader than disco and I can't read it.
"I probably watch more bad NBA teams than anyone else so trust me when I say that Dominick Barlow is the worst player to step on a professional basketball court in the last decade."

Edit: posted by some guy named Chuck Goldberg

[spurraider21]

Great clip. His footwork and movement on the perimeter is really good.
Austin Reaves esque

[ace3g]

What does the part on the left say? Twitter is deader than disco and I can't read it.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0NA1ZBWIAAQrCC?format=png&name=small

[Mr. Body]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0NA1ZBWIAAQrCC?format=png&name=small

Someone paid Elon for a blue checkmark AND is an idiot??

[Pauleta14]

Someone paid Elon for a blue checkmark AND is an idiot??

It usually goes by pair

[scott]

1.8 million I think. Just give him 2 and we there

Where is this number coming from? I come up with closer to $4.5MM

If we’re only at 1.8, then we’re golden. If we are at 4.5, things get more complicated.

[Extra Stout]

Where is this number coming from? I come up with closer to $4.5MM

If we’re only at 1.8, then we’re golden. If we are at 4.5, things get more complicated.
I would not lose sleep over it. To believe the Spurs are going to miss the salary floor is to believe they are incapable of finding competent accountants.

The terms of all those announced re-signings are not final anyway.

[scott]

Zero sleep is being lost, but alas this is a discussion board: a place where these things are discussed.

[spurraider21]

I would not lose sleep over it. To believe the Spurs are going to miss the salary floor is to believe they are incapable of finding competent accountants.

The terms of all those announced re-signings are not final anyway.
They probably give a bump to champ, Jones, Mamu from the reported offers to reach the floor and call it a day.

i would hope they just waive stevens and bring somebody else aboard. Having 2 of our roster spots on stevens and birch would be pretty disappointing. Unless they think birch can contribute but tbh I’ve read nothing about him being expected to play

[scott]

They probably give a bump to champ, Jones, Mamu from the reported offers to reach the floor and call it a day.

i would hope they just waive stevens and bring somebody else aboard. Having 2 of our roster spots on stevens and birch would be pretty disappointing. Unless they think birch can contribute but tbh I’ve read nothing about him being expected to play

Stevens seems almost assured to be waived at this point, he’s the 16th man on the roster as it is. Birch and Stevens being waived makes 14 and leaves room if they wanted to bring Barlow up full time. They could guarantee Stevens before waiving him and eat up another $1.4MM, but at that point I’m sure Champ, Tre, Mamu and Barlow would be kind of looking around wondering why that money couldn’t go to them…

I think it they give Barlow $2.50-3, then could do some fun stuff with Tre and Champ to front load and eat up another $1m, which only leaves another $500k-$1M to have to dole out among those guys. I’m sure they can do it… but I think they’ll want to get Barlow locked in around the $2.5 number since that where’s Bassey is at.

[Extra Stout]

OK, then for example Spotrac could be off by $800,000 on its estimate for Tre and $400,000 on its estimate for Julian if those contracts are actually front-loaded, which seems likely.

Khem Birch, who is unlikely ever to suit up, can be cut (eventually, assuming there are no trades soon in which his salary is needed to match).

Lamar Stevens can be guaranteed. Or cut.

Then Dominick Barlow could be signed to a deal like Champagnie’s. Boom, salary floor.

[buttsR4rebounding]

The more I see of Stevens the more I like him. He ranked in the 97th percentile in on ball defense. If his offense can come close to the summer league game you have to keep him over Osman.

[Mnky]

The more I see of Stevens the more I like him. He ranked in the 97th percentile in on ball defense. If his offense can come close to the summer league game you have to keep him over Osman.

Yea I think people aren't very familiar with him. Cavs fans loved him. His defense is legit, and that alone I think gives him a chance to stick around but we might just be doing him a favor and advertising him. He's a hard worker and has been diligent on his outside game development. He fits the Wemby team as a 3 and D option with some experience and leadership qualities.
He isn't a great player but definitely one of those guys who could help the young guys stay up. Spurs suddenly have a lot of wing options though so I don't know what they do there.

[scott]

The more I see of Stevens the more I like him. He ranked in the 97th percentile in on ball defense. If his offense can come close to the summer league game you have to keep him over Osman.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post… but I think you are confusing two different players.

Lamar Stevens is entering his 4th year in the NBA, who we just traded for. He isn’t on the Summer League team.

Erik Stevenson is a 6’4” rookie guard out of West Virginia who is on the Summer League team and trying to impress his way onto a G-League roster.

[BackHome]

Erik has a sweeet looking 3 ball and he got a little hopes in him I don’t think me makes the big boy team but would like to see what he can do in G League.

[cutewizard]

Barlow can play

[timvp]

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The most exciting thing about Barlow is his combination of having a 9-foot-plus standing reach and the quickness to switch onto guards. Add in naturally good timing for blocks and rebounds and that's a really good base to build a player.

[jermaine]

He stays on his feet well too... He's a great onball defender.

[duncan2150]

He looks longer than 6'9 with that 7'3 wingspan and he has long and especially large hands based on the combine

[slick'81]

Yea, this dude is a long asf 6'9

[Seventyniner]

The most exciting thing about Barlow is his combination of having a 9-foot-plus standing reach and the quickness to switch onto guards. Add in naturally good timing for blocks and rebounds and that's a really good base to build a player.

but but but he's the worst player to set foot on a NBA court in the last decade :cry :cry :cry

[scott]

Everyone still trying to lock up Barlow today? Or maybe we wait and see how he does on the 2-way a little while longer?

[Dejounte]

Everyone still trying to lock up Barlow today? Or maybe we wait and see how he does on the 2-way a little while longer?

Yes. Today he played a role and he played it real well. As a big man in today’s nba, you’re not going to be consistently featured on offense unless your name is Jokic or Embiid.

[scott]

Yes. Today he played a role and he played it real well. As a big man in today’s nba, you’re not going to be consistently featured on offense unless your name is Jokic or Embiid.

Also, I should point out that my question was a sincere one - not being snarky. I only caught the end of the game and the boxscore.

Roster is definitely full now though. We need to waive Stevens and Birch just to get to the floor. Someone else would have to move to make room for Barlow. Maybe more consolidation to come?

[cutewizard]

perfect back up to Wemby in the 4

lets bring them onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[Dejounte]

After tonight, Barlow is the only player that’s been consistently good through all summer league games, even in that one game where he didnt score much.

[SpursFan86]

That mid-range is money...would like to see him try extending out to the 3 point line though. Being a ~35% shooter from 3 even with relatively low volume would be huge.

Regardless, gotta like what he's shown so far. He's done a little bit of everything out there.

[Kurik]

Barlow got pushed around a lot, played a bad game defensively but he competed and showed aggression on the offense. Hope they figure out a way to get him on a bubbly-esque deal.

[Ariel]

After tonight, Barlow is the only player that’s been consistently good through all summer league games, even in that one game where he didnt score much.
He's definitely proven he belongs and deserves a long term commitment from the team. Hard to believe this guy went undrafted.

[slick'81]

Dirty Dom slowly coming along

[wildbill2u]

He occasionally passes up wide open shots from the elbow and he's a pretty good shotmaker from there. If he rachets up his aggression a bit instead of retreating to shy rookie mode, he will be another Spurs scouting steal. I think he has some unique skills on both offense and defense for his height, principally because of his quick feet. We are about to change the direction of the league to taller more agile forward line.

[Mr. Body]

He occasionally passes up wide open shots from the elbow and he's a pretty good shotmaker from there. If he rachets up his aggression a bit instead of retreating to shy rookie mode, he will be another Spurs scouting steal. I think he has some unique skills on both offense and defense for his height, principally because of his quick feet. We are about to change the direction of the league to taller more agile forward line.

He also has quick and good hands on both sides of the ball. I like his demeanor, too. He's very even keeled and doesn't carry bad possessions with him.

[ace3g]

Any workarounds yet to embed IG posts again?

Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CuiN4sRvZcA/)

[ace3g]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lckPxF2lyf0

[koriwhat]

Barlow has looked pretty good in these SL games thus far. Even when his offense doesn't materialize he still is a plus on defense. I like Barlow so much this time of yr compared to last yr this same time. :tu

Champ & Barlow are a good 1-2 combo.

[playblair]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lckPxF2lyf0
who is that pawg thot behind barlow in thumbnail.........

[playblair]

Any workarounds yet to embed IG posts again?

Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/CuiN4sRvZcA/)
no........if u want to post ig pics go to an ig pic downloader & upload to a pic site.......if u want to upload video do the same but upload to streamable......

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

Barlow should’ve been got locked up. Hopefully they can get him a deal similar to Julian because the guy played well at the end of the regular season and it has bled over into summer league also. He is young, athletic, can shoot, has a good wingspan, and seems to be learning how to process the game well also.

I like him as an actual rotation player in the upcoming season.

[mudd]

so who do the spurs cut to add Dom

[DAF86]

so who do the spurs cut to add Dom

15 men roster, right? Or is it 17?

If it's 15, I'm guessing:

Tre/Graham/Wesley
Vassell/Branham/Champagnie
Keldon/McDermott/Sissoko
Sochan/Barlow/Mamu
Wemby/Collins/Bassey

Although, I don't see Osman getting cut either.

[Obstructed_View]

so who do the spurs cut to add Dom

I suck at salary and trade stuff, but I'm assuming the Spurs are going to help out with at least one more trade and maybe get rid of a couple of guys for someone they plan to cut outright. They had stated that they intended to sign a breakout guy from summer league, which means they have plans for freeing up space. They have a while to see what develops. I just hope nobody throws so much money at him that he can't turn it down in the meantime.

[Obstructed_View]

15 men roster, right? Or is it 17?

If it's 15, I'm guessing:

Tre/Graham/Wesley
Vassell/Branham/Champagnie
Keldon/McDermott/Sissoko
Sochan/Barlow/Mamu
Wemby/Collins/Bassey

Although, I don't see Osman getting cut either.

18, 15 regular, three 2-way IINM.

[Mr. Body]

He's not a G-League player to me. Maybe for tune-ups, but he's a rotation guy at this point. Expectations from Dec/Jan completely transformed.

[Kurik]

Barlow is basically more ready than Wesley to contribute, not that I dislike Wesley but one has progressed further.

[spurraider21]

think mamu gets cut if barlow forces his way onto the 15 man

and i like mamu

[jermaine]

Barlow needs to play somehow, some way. Idc

[jhfenton]

I suck at salary and trade stuff, but I'm assuming the Spurs are going to help out with at least one more trade and maybe get rid of a couple of guys for someone they plan to cut outright. They had stated that they intended to sign a breakout guy from summer league, which means they have plans for freeing up space. They have a while to see what develops. I just hope nobody throws so much money at him that he can't turn it down in the meantime.

That would make sense, because right now they have 17 guys with value for 15 full roster spots, counting Barlow, Osman, and Bullock (but not counting Birch and Stevens). It'd be a shame to waive Osman and Bullock for no return.

Rice is the one confirmed 2-way, with room for 2 more.

[MannyIsGod]

Barlow really reminds me of a young Malik Rose.

[exstatic]

That would make sense, because right now they have 17 guys with value for 15 full roster spots, counting Barlow, Osman, and Bullock (but not counting Birch and Stevens). It'd be a shame to waive Osman and Bullock for no return.

Rice is the one confirmed 2-way, with room for 2 more.

People are going to flip out like they did with Bassey last year, but Barlow is going to be a 2 way until after the February trade deadline so that they can monetize at least Cedi. They'll take care of him and convert him late in the year like they did Bassey.

That is, barring accepting a one for many trade before the season.

[MannyIsGod]

People are going to flip out like they did with Bassey last year, but Barlow is going to be a 2 way until after the February trade deadline so that they can monetize at least Cedi. They'll take care of him and convert him late in the year like they did Bassey.

They may not get that option. This all depends on whether or not Barlow wants to go get an actual NBA contract. Spurs may be forced to either let him walk or match if he signs an offer sheet.

[wildbill2u]

Barlow is going to wind up the SL with stats that show him to be at least the 3rd best Spur player at a minimum. He is very stable and reliable on offense and defense.

[slick'81]

Give me 10 pitchers up in this bitch for dirty dom!

[mudd]

They may not get that option. This all depends on whether or not Barlow wants to go get an actual NBA contract. Spurs may be forced to either let him walk or match if he signs an offer sheet.
What is Barlow's upside with the big jump he took since last year. Impressive range of motion in the paint and money in the midrange. IMHO better then Bullock.

[The Truth #6]

I’m guessing training camp might help clarify roster spots and contracts, et cetera.

[exstatic]

I’m guessing training camp might help clarify roster spots and contracts, et cetera.

Stevens won't make it that far. They need to cut him by 1 August to avoid his guarantee. AFAIK, Birch has never been around the team at all. Can't imagine them bringing him into camp, either.

[Mr. Body]

Just listen to his teammates talk about Barlow in interviews. He knows he's staying. They know he's staying. They'll likely consolidate and trade or just cut. It's all planned out, they just need to see what happens with other activities. Barlow is 100% a Spur.

[itzsoweezee]

My favorite player on the summer league roster (excluding wemby). He needs to be on the team

[Cloud786]

Barlow = David West on offense

[RC_Drunkford]

Barlow = David West on offense

That‘s a good comparison

[mystargtr34]

Barlow = David West on offense

Nice comp. Agree.

[cutewizard]

If the first team is resting then

WEemby, Barlow, Champ, Malawi and Tre is not bad hmm.....

[cutewizard]

Malaki

[TD 21]

Given the lack of space to convert to standard this off season, i'm guessing the compromise will be to re-sign on a two-way and if he maintains/further progresses, they'll revisit it post trade deadline if they've cleared out some roster space or at the latest the following off season.

Impressed with his improvisation in the DHO game. Instead of just handing off every time, he keeps the defense off balance with reverses and ball fakes into pull-up mid rangers or spin moves into layups.

[BackHome]

I think he stays on a two way until we can do some trades but I am sure there is a wink wink deal in place I am not worried about loosing him. He knows he is in a very good place as we picked him when he was undrafted that shows we believe in him when others didn't and he seems to be a loyal type of guy

[exstatic]

I think he stays on a two way until we can do some trades but I am sure there is a wink wink deal in place I am not worried about loosing him. He knows he is in a very good place as we picked him when he was undrafted that shows we believe in him when others didn't and he seems to be a loyal type of guy

I think so, too, as this will be one of the last seasons we’ll be able to carry contracts to barter at the deadline for assets and longer contracts. We caught kind of a break with Primo crashing and burning, causing no extension next summer, but the following year, we have THREE scheduled, so that will be the end of contract flipping.

[Ocotillo]

Ten standout players from NBA Summer League

Champ's photo was used but he didn't make their list, Dom did.


Everyone came to Spurs games to watch Wembanyama, but many people left impressed with Barlow, too.

Barlow was on a two-way contract with the Spurs last season after being undrafted out of Overtime Elite, but he looks like someone the Spurs need t lock up with a roster spot contract (at the minimum or close to it, but still) before another team grabs him. Barlow had 17 points and six rebounds against the Trail Blazers, comes with an NBA body, and could be another success story for the Spurs' development program.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ten-standout-players-nba-summer-000655407.html

[Dejounte]

Barlow turning out to be everything we’d hope Samanic to be.

[slick'81]

He's easily a rotation player right now. He's making strides quickly

[onechance87]

hoping he keeps impoving....Would be awesome to have another young big along side wemby

[Mitch Cumsteen]

You don't want to overreact to a few summer league games, but Barlow seems to have made huge strides. He was so lost during the regular season. He looks so much more comfortable and his mid range game has been revelatory. They need to get him under contract, but it's crazy how many really young dudes they have on this roster. Almost half the roster can't even drink legally.

Wemby 19
Sidy 19
Sochan 20
Barlow 20
Branham 20
Wesley 20
Champagnie 22
Bassey 22
Vassell 22
Keldon 23

[spurraider21]

Barlow turning out to be everything we’d hope Samanic to be.
Wut lol

[Dejounte]

Wut lol

Versatile switchable big tbh

[spurraider21]

Versatile switchable big tbh
The hopes for Samanic were very different tbh. Especially offensively. Don’t think we ever saw him as a C type

[superbigtime]

the guy's GOTTA be a keeper

[RC_Drunkford]

the Spurs will need to figure out how to keep this group under contract. Which is why I like the Bassey and Champagnie contracts. Barlow needs to be locked up into that kind of deal as well, cause at some point we will have to let some of these guys go.

[spurraider21]

the Spurs will need to figure out how to keep this group under contract. Which is why I like the Bassey and Champagnie contracts. Barlow needs to be locked up into that kind of deal as well, cause at some point we will have to let some of these guys go.
think more people are going to be moved than we think between now and the start of next season. especially if we wind up with 3 first rounders.

[TekXX]

Need to see it against NBA competition.

[ceperez]

The hopes for Samanic were very different tbh. Especially offensively. Don’t think we ever saw him as a C type

The read was Samanic had the tools but none of the motivation. Barlow seems to have the tools and a drive.

There so much talent in the league now that you want players who keep improving year after year.

Barlow seemed to have gotten stronger and that's a good sign.

Wesley is problematic because the needle doesn't seem to have moved in terms of gaining more skill. He obviously is quick but he's still making mistakes.

[John B]

I like Barlow but it wouldn’t hurt to also practice outside shooting. His mid-range is already reliable but if he could extend to the arch on occassions, would be great. But already I’m a fan.

[John B]

The hopes for Samanic were very different tbh. Especially offensively. Don’t think we ever saw him as a C type

Agree. Samanic was that “modern mobile big with guard skills” who can stretch the floor. Although I have to admit, he could post during those Bubble League or whatever it was called and seemed to be the best player on the court. Still hurt.

[ambchang]

I have also liked Barlow because mostly of his reported attitude. He is quick on his feet and just has that will to improve. A little worried about his shooting form though, it looks like a push shot, maybe not as ugly as Bill Cartwright's but he seems to push it up high over his head, then flicks it with his wrists. He's definitely making them, but I am not sure how that would extend his range.