The Touchdown Jesus Statue of Blake Wesley

[Atl Spur]

No shit Blake isn’t ready…are people actually expecting a 19 year-old picked in the bottom 3rd of the 1st round to be some polished product that instantly takes the league by storm? :lol

I think Wesley’s SL play was encouraging. We got to see the flashes that made people claim he had home run potential. He was unsurprisingly inconsistent, but there’s no denying the potential. I’m not so worried about his shot selection/decision-making…he’s a 19 year-old who was forced to be the #1 option as a freshman, and it’s also entirely likely that the SL staff asked/wanted him to show a high level of aggression during SL play. I’m hopeful he’ll improve in some of those areas but everyone should’ve known he’s a project and isn’t going to be some all-star in his first year.
^this
If he puts in the work and remains Hungary/humble , the future is bright! We are very lucky to have him:) I really do like this kid and draft class a whole lot!!

[TD 21]

I think it’s more nuanced than that. Professional athletes are typically not very cultured, just like many Americans in general aren’t, yet many Spurs players are. More specifically, most Spurs players are very team focused, yet he has no shame going 2-17. I’m just curious to see what he’s about. I can see why you made your comment, though.

Probably the best response I've ever received on this board.

[Atl Spur]

Hey Girl!!
Miss Cleo tell us of the future!?!
Will Primo (your boy and last years lotto pick and this years second rounder) be PG?
How many TOs will he average??
PATFO taint licker
Hey Girl-Miss Cleo tell us of the future again
Following that clowns Dejounte’s lead gonna have you doing a lot of recanting statements….. let me teach you how to think little boy:) I told you I’m gonna skewer you and I am dumb dumb!! Yo shitty takes will be revisited ……….girl

[Dejounte]

How the fuck did I get involved in this? I barely interact with you, scrub

[Atl Spur]

Dejounte you ready to say you’re wrong and apologize to me? Come on, you can do it:)

[Atl Spur]

How the fuck did I get involved in this? I barely interact with you, scrub

Quit playing the victim! You say so much slick shit you forgot? So is Blake better than Primo clown?

[Dejounte]

Are you fucking serious right now? Plenty of other folks have said worse about Primo and youre singling ME out? You’re fucking crazy

[Atl Spur]

Are you fucking serious right now? Plenty of other folks have said worse about Primo and youre singling ME out? You’re fucking crazy

Here you go:
Atl Spur insecure as fuck and pissed off people are shitting on his boy Primo so he’s gotta go and trash another player who is getting attention

pretty pathetic tbh


You remember now right?

[Atl Spur]

So who’s better mr super scout? They’re only three or 4 months apart in age……. Who you got?

[Dejounte]

Bro, I’m not doing this pointless ass back and forth with you like you do with GAustex it’s a waste of forum space and we know timvp has bills to pay

[exstatic]

Bro, I’m not doing this pointless ass back and forth with you like you do with GAustex it’s a waste of forum space and we know timvp has bills to pay

The bills get paid by clicks and responses.

[KingKev]

timvp was sourced on the front page of Bleacher Report today!!

[Atl Spur]

Bro, I’m not doing this pointless ass back and forth with you like you do with GAustex it’s a waste of forum space and we know timvp has bills to pay

Who you got? Stop being a drama queen. Put that bum ass avatar name on it!

[PhantomDashCam]

From NBA Draft Big Board - Three Scouts' perspectives on Mr. Wesley's Summer League:




“I like his talent and his skills, but it just didn’t look good, if that makes sense. He took some tough shots, but he’s a project and the Spurs are going to give him every opportunity to play through mistakes.”
“Blake will have to figure it out. He didn’t have any problems getting shots up, but he didn’t shoot good at all. He was definitely aggressive and shot a lot of free throws.”
“I’m not too worried about him because he did stuff you like, he just needs to figure out what’s a good shot and a bad shot, and he’ll need to add a floater to his scoring package.”

[RC_Drunkford]

Blake Wesley basically needs the same development like DJ. Work on his shot. Work on his finishing. Work on his handle. Work on his decision making. Spurs did it with DJ and Wesley is a gym rat so I believe he will get there

[The Truth #6]

Generally not a big fan of all the intense personal arguing that goes on in this forum, but it is intriguing to see Dark ATL Spur emerge. Didn’t see that coming. I think it’s a foreshadow for the dark days to come next season. Lol.

[Maddog]

From NBA Draft Big Board - Three Scouts' perspectives on Mr. Wesley's Summer League:

As I said in another thread if he shot better he would have been a top 10 pick. As said above he can almost always get a shot off. That's saying a lot. Plays defense, a lot better court vision than I expected and doesn't turn it over. Very competitive.
His potential is extremely high. But it's still potential.
I think he does enough to where he's playable now

[KingKev]

Generally not a big fan of all the intense personal arguing that goes on in this forum, but it is intriguing to see Dark ATL Spur emerge. Didn’t see that coming. I think it’s a foreshadow for the dark days to come next season. Lol.

As long as it doesn’t go too far it's all just banter. As someone who throws stones you need to cross your t’s and dot your i’s. That’s my frustration with some takes; information is free these days yet ppl can't take two minutes to research or support their view.

These forthcoming dark days are a necessary but self inflicted reality.

I think most ppl on this board could benefit from watching the NBA and not just following the Spurs by way of social media and box scores.

[PhantomDashCam]

As I said in another thread if he shot better he would have been a top 10 pick. As said above he can almost always get a shot off. That's saying a lot. Plays defense, a lot better court vision than I expected and doesn't turn it over. Very competitive.
His potential is extremely high. But it's still potential.
I think he does enough to where he's playable now

:tu Agree on all points.

Wesley offers a Point of Difference from the PG position the Spurs really haven't had since Prime TP, one who can break Defenses down with Speed/First Step.
His development pathway will be an interesting one to watch and a delicate tightrope to walk.

He obviously needs to add strength but not at the expense of his Speed.
He needs to be more judicious with his shot selection but not so much that is leans towards passivity.
(Those 2 late game 3s in one of the Summer League games are by most basketball metrics, low percentage shots, but it's the chutzpah, god given talents only the great guards have).

The floater, inbetween game should be his primary focus of development this year IMHO, just as the third scout alluded to.

[Atl Spur]

Generally not a big fan of all the intense personal arguing that goes on in this forum, but it is intriguing to see Dark ATL Spur emerge. Didn’t see that coming. I think it’s a foreshadow for the dark days to come next season. Lol.

It’s all love big dog! I just get sick of the double standard BS with this dude….. it’s ok to admit both of our 19 year olds playing in the best league on the planet need work! That man was damn near ready to leave his wife for Blake:)

[Atl Spur]

But on the real, this kid is gonna be a nice asset! If he doesn’t pan out ( highly unlikely ) it won’t be because of effort����

[Ice009]

All you people trashing him over summer league, I don't know what to say. I like seeing this aggressiveness compared to the passive shit we've had to see from White and Walker these past few years. Fucking terrible timid shit from those two the past few years. Sure, he needs to reign it in and can't do this in regular NBA games, but also, is anyone asking the question if the Spurs have instructed him to play this way in SL? I think the Spurs will instruct him on what to clean up, but I'd still rather it all be from a starting point of aggressiveness rather than trying to teach someone to be aggressive.

[Dejounte]

All you people trashing him over summer league, I don't know what to say. I like seeing this aggressiveness compared to the passive shit we've had to see from White and Walker these past few years. Fucking terrible timid shit from those two the past few years. Sure, he needs to reign it in and can't do this in regular NBA games, but also, is anyone asking the question if the Spurs have instructed him to play this way in SL? I think the Spurs will instruct him on what to clean up, but I'd still rather it all be from a starting point of aggressiveness rather than trying to teach someone to be aggressive.

Yeah, it makes it much more bearable to watch when a player has it in mind what he’s going to do and do it without hesitation. He’ll eventually find when to take to take those shots and where his spots are and when that happens, it will be a sight to see.

[Ice009]

Yeah, it makes it much more bearable to watch when a player has it in mind what he’s going to do and do it without hesitation. He’ll eventually find when to take to take those shots and where his spots are and when that happens, it will be a sight to see.

Yeah, this is what I am hoping. I hope they can hone those instincts so that he can balance out what shots to take and when to pass the ball. I love his potential and hope Blake can make the most of it. My favourite types of players are ones that drive to the rack and can draw fouls. He still needs to work a lot, but I hope he can get court time in the NBA and learn on the job. I love the fearlessness I've seen from him.

[Mr. Body]

Just getting rid of his three pump fake the pointers and extremely long twos high in the shot clock will go a ways to help. Then figure out how to attack the rim against help defense better. After that it's learning when he needs to call his own number and when it's more important to cycle the ball.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, his aggressiveness is needed. Totally agree with that. I hope they don’t try to fix him too soon and get him overwhelmed and confused.

[Atl Spur]

Yeah, his aggressiveness is needed. Totally agree with that. I hope they don’t try to fix him too soon and get him overwhelmed and confused.

^ this.

Spurstalk would but Patfo won’t!:)

[John B]

Blake Wesley basically needs the same development like DJ. Work on his shot. Work on his finishing. Work on his handle. Work on his decision making. Spurs did it with DJ and Wesley is a gym rat so I believe he will get there

Wesley >>>> DJ

If DJ got to be an AS, I’d bet Wesley will be and not just a borderline at that. While still very raw, Wesley has more complete game than DJ, outside shot, fearlessly attacking the rim with contact (fans would only wish DJ would do), more natural ballhandler and facilitator, motor, equally fast in pushing the tempo but able to attack and suck the defense because of better offensive skills than DJ. Eventually DJ would get moved because Wesley will for sure pass him imo.

[ismael-robert]

How about Blake to Westbrook comparisons...play same to me...so wes could be his mentor

[Degoat]

Honestly Blake has wayyyyyy more offensive game then DJ coming into his 1st year did. Blake just needs to clean up the decision making and continue being consistent with his shot

[tim_duncan_fan]

Honestly Blake has wayyyyyy more offensive game then DJ coming into his 1st year did. Blake just needs to clean up the decision making and continue being consistent with his shot

Exactly. Wesley is a much more natural player. If he works half as hard as they say Dejounte does, we should be fine at the point long term.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ethman43/status/1549893625617809410

[John B]

https://twitter.com/ethman43/status/1549893625617809410

Wow he looks so much taller since the Summer League :troll:lol

[Atl Spur]

He’s a gym rat……. May end up being a huge steal! DJ will hate BW in a few years.

[rastaspur]

He's got a few things going for him that you just can't teach or obtain through hard work:
(1) quick twitch muscles and a lightning first step.
(2) Length
(3) his X-rays show he's got that dawg in him. He's a gamer. Has pride. Couple that competitive spirit with his penchant for being a gym rat and that's a recipe for turning coal into diamonds.

[Maddog]

https://twitter.com/ethman43/status/1549893625617809410

His Impact contact is going to freak out if he shows him some restaurant menus in SA.....

Love the drive in this Kid. As I said in another thread they seem to have gone for kids who are uber competitive.
He may have the highest ceiling of the three picks.
Of course as a 25th pick- he's got flaws. They are all POTENTIALY correctable- but tricky
Improve his shot and decision making while retaining his aggresiveness

[Ice009]

He's got a few things going for him that you just can't teach or obtain through hard work:
(1) quick twitch muscles and a lightning first step.
(2) Length
(3) his X-rays show he's got that dawg in him. He's a gamer. Has pride. Couple that competitive spirit with his penchant for being a gym rat and that's a recipe for turning coal into diamonds.

Yeah, agree with all of them, and I think your 3rd point is what might separate him from players in the past that have had physical attributes and washed out of the league cause they didn't have much game. This kid is willing to work hard and is competitive. I wish nothing but the best for him. I'm already a fan of his. Hopefully Malaki and Jeremy are the same competitive and work rate wise. Could have three really good ones on our hands from the same draft.


His Impact contact is going to freak out if he shows him some restaurant menus in SA.....

Love the drive in this Kid. As I said in another thread they seem to have gone for kids who are uber competitive.
He may have the highest ceiling of the three picks.
Of course as a 25th pick- he's got flaws. They are all POTENTIALY correctable- but tricky
Improve his shot and decision making while retaining his aggresiveness

Pretty good take on it. He's got lots to work on, but it's all there for him if he's willing to learn and work. He could be great. I hope he reaches it.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/ethman43/status/1550557198614413315

[Spurs Homer]

Has Wesley LEARNED how to make a pass yet?

[BackHome]

Oh Lort give the kid a break he is only 19 years old and he played in Summer League - Spurs swung for the fences in the kid and I think it could be a home run. Yeah he has to iron things out but he is pick 25 again he is pick 25 so don’t get ur panties in a twist if it takes him a year or two to be what you think he can be. Lol

One thing is that all 4 kids have great parents and understand the meaning of hard work - Malaki is the same but he might be to hard the dude is a perfectionist and wants every thing to be perfect and is willing to put in the long hours to achieve that. One thing that I love about Blake is he like DJM has that dog in him he won’t back down and I think all 4 of our draft picks have that which is refreshing

[John B]

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https://twitter.com/ethman43/status/1550557198614413315

Funny how this quote from Wesley could relate to DJ being too out there, not the Spursy way we fans were accustomed to, and could be subconsciously saying off his conversation with the PATFO: “Whatever Pop tells me to say or tells me to do, I’m gonna do it. They want me to go in there to be a point guard, so I’m gonna have to keep my point guard skills, get better, get stronger and be ready to work.”

There was no intention on retaining blubber-mouth DJ imo for a lot of reasons, especially after drafting Blake who I’m sure Pop is salivating as his future starting PG. Blake may not have the craftiness of a Tony Parker at that age, but as sure as hell got the dawg in him to become great.

[KingKev]

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Funny how this quote could relate to DJ being too out there, not the Spursy way we fans were accustomed to: “Whatever Pop tells me to say or tells me to do, I’m gonna do it. They want me to go in there to be a point guard, so I’m gonna have to keep my point guard skills, get better, get stronger and be ready to work.”

There was no intention on retaining blubber-mouth DJ imo for a lot of reasons, especially after drafting Blake who I’m sure Pop is salivating as his future starting PG. Blake may not have the craftiness of a Tony Parker at that age, but as sure as hell got the dawg in him to become great.

Pop isn’t going to be around for Wesley to be his future PG.

[John B]

Pop isn’t going to be around for Wesley to be his future PG.

Man you’re a party-pooper. Can’t I just have 5 minutes of my thoughts? :lol

But it will be a breath of fresh air to have your starting point guard echoing the Coach. It’s early but I think Wesley is a soldier who’s going to just play hard and be coached. I didn’t say DJ didn’t work hard, but he’s someone who when cornered will throw punches on everybody with eyes closed. Soldiers get killed from friendly fire. You need a leader like Tony (man that would be hard to follow) but will not cower despite the toughest grueling from Pop, remained true because he knew the challenges of being the leader.

Anyways, it’s early but I see a lot of dawg in Wesley to overcome challenges. So hoping he’s not another DJ with all talk.

[RC_Drunkford]

but what if Blake Wesley likes strip clubs? Does that mean we have to trade him?

[KingKev]

but what if Blake Wesley likes strip clubs? Does that mean we have to trade him?

Do the strippers stir his drink with their D? Might get a pass as we value diversity here within the prestigious San Antonio Spurs organization.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/HerbalifeNews/status/1553093011608948736

[slick'81]

Spurs can definitely use a good chucker

[Maddog]

Has Wesley LEARNED how to make a pass yet?

4 assists per game

[Russ]

Yeah, his aggressiveness is needed. Totally agree with that. I hope they don’t try to fix him too soon and get him overwhelmed and confused.

Don't worry, guys like this don't get confused.

They just don't, it's not in their nature.

They might suck, they might be ineffective, but they won't be confused (i.e., paralyzed to the point of inaction). Just won't happen.

The Westbrook comparison is apt in one way, but inapt in a more important and telling way.

The comparison is valid because they both don't get confused, no matter what. You could put them in a hall of mirrors, and they wouldn't blink -- they would just charge ahead toward something, some image, head down and confident.

The comparison is inapt because, from the limited snippets I've seen, Wesley can shoot (or at least has the capacity to) from midrange and even three-point land. That's a huge difference. He could be a three-level scorer like Branham (but with completely different avenues to get to that same destination).

Unlike Westbrook, I don't see excessive individualism being a problem. Wesley grew up in a working class burg and went to college in that same place -- a soul-crushing conformist cult of a college.

He'll be fine.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Don't worry, guys like this don't get confused.

They just don't, it's not in their nature.

They might suck, they might be ineffective, but they won't be confused (i.e., paralyzed to the point of inaction). Just won't happen.

The Westbrook comparison is apt in one way, but inapt in a more important and telling way.

The comparison is valid because they both don't get confused, no matter what. You could put them in a hall of mirrors, and they wouldn't blink -- they would just charge ahead toward something, some image, head down and confident.

The comparison is inapt because, from the limited snippets I've seen, Wesley can shoot (or at least has the capacity to) from midrange and even three-point land. That's a huge difference. He could be a three-level scorer like Branham (but with completely different avenues to get to that same destination).

Unlike Westbrook, I don't see excessive individualism being a problem. Wesley grew up in a working class burg and went to college in that same place -- a soul-crushing conformist cult of a college.

He'll be fine.
Who do you think has a higher upside Malaki or Blake?

[Em-City]

Who do you think has a higher upside Malaki or Blake?
Surely Blake has higher ceiling and Malaki higher floor

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Surely Blake has higher ceiling and Malaki higher floor
Doesn't it bother you that Blake can't finish under the basket?

[Russ]

Who do you think has a higher upside Malaki or Blake?


Surely Blake has higher ceiling and Malaki higher floor

Good question. I would agree Malaki probably has the higher floor.

Beyond that, who the heck knows.

Ceilings are generally so outrageous that they look silly, but . . .

For Malaki, maybe Devin Booker.

Blake is tougher. He's built like Ja Morant and has some of the same athleticism, but even as ridiculous as ceilings can be, that's ridiculous.

De'Aaron Fox?

[south side spur]

I’m not sure if it’s been posted but Jim Rome interviewed Wesley 7/28. The podcast is on Apple. I attempted to post the link but I’m not sure if it went through.
https://omny.fm/shows/the-jim-rome-show/7-28-2022-blake-wesley

He’s a very respectful kid as has been mentioned. He acknowledged that he is blessed. However, Wesley says that he is driven by a chip on his shoulder. He feels he’s been overlooked since high school. He says he is attacking everyone drafted ahead of him.

At no point does his tone sound agitated or entitled he is just stating his convictions as matter of fact. He used the word kill to describe his mindset going into his Spurs workout. The interview ends with Wesley highlighting his relationship with Impact Basketball and his introduction to Herbalife nutrition. This kid is impressive. All the doomsday whiners will soon forget Murray.

[Drom John]

The Pyramid Drugstore of Blake Wesley

[Mr. Body]

This dude showed a lot of good things in his first game as a rookie. Had jitters, but clearly a ton of support from his teammates. He knew his sets, was prepared, hit two threes, had a couple great drives when he called his own number (one at the end of a period).

Most important, he was circulating the ball and handling it well as the lead guard.

[RC_Drunkford]

he has a lot to learn, but his speed is elite

[tim_duncan_fan]

If he adds a jumper it'll be hard to deal with Kelson, Vassell, AND him in a couple years.

[Chomag]

He held his own up pretty well for his first Pro game. He made some mistakes here and there but he seemed to respond really well.

[Ariel]

Blake & the rest of the 2022 draftees go a long way to make up for the unprecedented disaster that the 2021 draft class turned out to be.

[objective]

Time for less Barry Allen and more Blake. Less Wally West and more Wesley.

[BackHome]

I just hope Pop doesn’t ruin the kid like all the others

[emanueldavidginobili]

Blake just posted on his story “I’ll be back” with two praying emojis.

[Mr. Body]

Damn

[Chinook]

I just hope Pop doesn’t ruin the kid like all the others

Do you think that is the "trauma" Primo was referencing?

[Mr. Body]

I just hope Pop doesn’t ruin the kid like all the others

Help make an Allstar out of Murray and Keldon?

Why are people such idiots?

[objective]

Did he have an MRI or any kind of update?

[lefty20]

Did he have an MRI or any kind of update?

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/spurs-107-timberwolves-98-what-said-after-game-nba-san-antonio/273-a748ebaf-f009-4799-85c6-635b0a95db43


Rookie Blake Wesley exited the game with a left knee injury, but MRI revealed no major injury.

No timetable on possible return or any other updates.


Edit: Turns out kens5 was mistaken.... Torn MCL... 2 Months

I'm guessing they confused the X-Ray taken last night as an MRI somehow.

[Chinook]

https://www.kens5.com/article/sports/nba/spurs/spurs-107-timberwolves-98-what-said-after-game-nba-san-antonio/273-a748ebaf-f009-4799-85c6-635b0a95db43



No timetable on possible return or any other updates.

Sounds like they found out midgame about him also being part of Josh's Chippendales

[Mr. Body]

No major injury is a good deal. I was afraid of a lost season like Dejounte.

[BackHome]

The thing I like about Branham and Blake is that they are both ultra competitive and both have great work ethic I think Branham has some OCD because his work ethic is off the charts and everything has to be perfect.

[GAustex]

Get better
Come back stronger
Bravery in the face of adversity
You can do it

[BackHome]

The big issue is one of his “Needs to work on” was finishing at the rim. With this injury it is going to make it even more glaring if he comes back to soon. He needs to add some bulk and strength and then he has to get his mind right. I am sure the Spurs are going to be Ultra cautious with his injury and I would be shocked to see him this season with the Main squad.

Primo screwed us over by being Pulling his Pee Wee Herman if he was not waived I highly doubt Blake would have gotten burn and now not be injured- Double edge sword

[Atl Spur]

Help make an Allstar out of Murray and Keldon?

Why are people such idiots?

That question is a doozie!

[Vince Carter's ankle]

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[ginobilized]

After that steal against Garland last night, I'm renaming this kid:

Wesley Swipes

You read it here first, people

From the poster who brought you Wing Stop

[KingKev]

After that steal against Garland last night, I'm renaming this kid:

Wesley Swipes

You read it here first, people

From the poster who brought you Wing Stop

He definitely has that long DJ Murray archetype build. He made Keldon look like Kyle Lowry out there… physique wise.

[spurraider21]

sorry

Blake + Branham have been reserved as Air B&B

[KingKev]

We should rename Keldon/Vassell “Wing Flop” or maybe “Beyond Meat Wing Stop”

[ginobilized]

sorry

Blake + Branham have been reserved as Air B&B

I'll have to check that out. Legally, my name should still work. I'll check with Tony Buzbee

[tim_duncan_fan]

sorry

Blake + Branham have been reserved as Air B&B

I could see this if they were dunkers

[KingKev]

I could see this if they were dunkers

haha true Blake couldn’t get near that lob last game but probably is missing some bounce. Branham’s games just isn’t above the rim.

[XDT76]

I could see this if they were dunkers

Can also if they keep shooting air balls.

[Uriel]

How is Blake coming along? Is he ready to play in the big boys’ club next year or does he need another year of seasoning?

[spurraider21]

How is Blake coming along? Is he ready to play in the big boys’ club next year or does he need another year of seasoning?
didnt really look close last year. hopefully he put in the work over the offseason. its a tall ask, but we also saw how much dejounte improved early in his career each offseason. though i think rookie murray looked more the part than rookie wesley. in fairness, murray was also on a team that had way more structure, while asking blake to point guard last years spurs is like asking a pilot to fly a plane with one or two engines being shot

[rankingtear]

How is Blake coming along? Is he ready to play in the big boys’ club next year or does he need another year of seasoning?

I think you look at his floater in the summer league, if it still looks like complete garbage then he won't pan out. It means the intangibles they are betting on is not enough.

[Mr. Body]

I think you look at his floater in the summer league, if it still looks like complete garbage then he won't pan out. It means the intangibles they are betting on is not enough.

This summer league ain't gonna make or break him, man.

[rankingtear]

This summer league ain't gonna make or break him, man.

The floater is the no. 1 priority since he was drafted it is the thing that makes the idea of him work. If there is no progress on that end after a year none of it will.

[Mr. Body]

The floater is the no. 1 priority since he was drafted it is the thing that makes the idea of him work. If there is no progress on that end after a year none of it will.

I don't disagree, but he has all summer and into the season to work on these things.

[JPB]

I don't disagree, but he has all summer and into the season to work on these things.

Sure but he already had one and he badly failed. We all agree if he doesn't show decent improvement this year, 3rd string PG or Europe/China is his ceiling.

[J_Paco]

Sure but he already had one and he badly failed. We all agree if he doesn't show decent improvement this year, 3rd string PG or Europe/China is his ceiling.

He looked good - or pretty good relative to his draft position - last Summer League, was doing okay in the G-League, then tore his meniscus, and was promoted to the regular rotation (possibly prematurely).

His raw defensive instincts and athleticism can't be taught. Obviously, if his offense and feel doesn't come around you'll be a lot more right than wrong.

Still, circumstances definitely played a part in how poorly he looked this season at times. We'll see if he can turn the corner and become an actual (deserving) rotation player in year 2.

[John B]

didnt really look close last year. hopefully he put in the work over the offseason. its a tall ask, but we also saw how much dejounte improved early in his career each offseason. though i think rookie murray looked more the part than rookie wesley. in fairness, murray was also on a team that had way more structure, while asking blake to point guard last years spurs is like asking a pilot to fly a plane with one or two engines being shot

Blake was way ahead of Dejounte on their rookie year. Dejounte dribble was loose, no jumpers. The only thing that saved his butt were the people around him. Blake had to play with young players and designed to lose. He is fearless, has that same TP burst of speed. Wemby’s coming should elevate everybody’s game. I look forward to them getting excited about winning and improving.

[RC_Drunkford]

You will be able to really evaluate him by year 3. He will need some time. Just gotta see steady improvement from the kid, which I'm confident of. He has a great work ethic

[Obstructed_View]

Blake was a home run swing. There is no rush. He has skills that you can't teach, has a good attitude and seems to have a good work ethic. If he learns to draw fouls, develops a floater, and kicks to the open man he becomes a game changer. If he adds a consistent three pointer he becomes a superstar.

[K...]

people do realize we are on wemby o clock? as in any player that doesn't get up to speed fast enough gets replaced by a vet or a rookie. And also you don't get to develop on wemby's time. you have bench minutes and g league and your summers. If you botch that your out. We have too many draft picks and cap space to say wesley is anything more than an early prospect. All teams have young players and we need to be looking at them from the view of wemby., So no driving or shooting from wemby's position, no running into wemby. no looking or speaking to wemby without express permission.

If wemby says he wants a foreign PG or a vet, we gotta take wesley to the glue factory.

[BackHome]

Umm I think we got time to develop some players right now and we not ringing until we probably get another high star type of player to pair with him. So you either get lucky and maybe have that star in Blake or your better hope that Atlanta, Chicago, or Toronto crash so we get a lottery pick from them.

[K...]

Umm I think we got time to develop some players right now and we not ringing until we probably get another high star type of player to pair with him. So you either get lucky and maybe have that star in Blake or your better hope that Atlanta, Chicago, or Toronto crash so we get a lottery pick from them.

in wesley year 3 he'll be competing with the FA class and the new lottery pick, that's if we don't trade up this year or gain new young prospects. I like blake, he should stick, but if a new guy sticks faster that's our guy.

[rankingtear]

^ Yeah getting Wemby is the worst thing to happen to Wes at this point. He was a long rebuild prospect and we are not that anymore. We have to get older fast. This is not business as usual.

[Mr. Body]

^ Yeah getting Wemby is the worst thing to happen to Wes at this point. He was a long rebuild prospect and we are not that anymore. We have to get older fast. This is not business as usual.

??

Getting Wembanyama is great for Wesley. He's going to draw off shot blockers. What do you mean? The team isn't going to 'get older faster.' What does that mean?

[rankingtear]

??

Getting Wembanyama is great for Wesley. He's going to draw off shot blockers. What do you mean? The team isn't going to 'get older faster.' What does that mean?

Wemby won't play in the G-League. Are you talking about summer league? Wemby probably plays 1 game there.

[spurraider21]

Blake was way ahead of Dejounte on their rookie year.
I didn’t see that. But as my post said there are caveats to consider

[heyheymymy]

I said at one point during the season that Blake Wesley was already better in year 1 than Lonnie Walker was in his last season with SA and yeah I had to walk that back admittedly but I still kinda stand by it. Walker feasts when Lebron pulled focus away but was worthless to a Spurs team without those distractions imo and even with the optimal system Walker just seems like a basic player. Wes has that certain pop about him.

Wesley would be my pick if I could choose between the two still but it's all in the potential which I really believe in.

Blake Wesley is one to watch next season as others have said and I could see that being true. Blake has all the ingredients but can he put it all together? I feel like Blake Wesley turns a corner next season.

[heyheymymy]

It's funny just realized I "believed in" Walker IV too as did many here during that last season of his and Walker never really turned that corner for us it seems so here we go again I guess lol

my heart will go on lol

[Obstructed_View]

Wemby won't play in the G-League. Are you talking about summer league? Wemby probably plays 1 game there.

Why wouldn't he play in summer league? Duncan played in summer league.

[Mr. Body]

Why wouldn't he play in summer league? Duncan played in summer league.

I don't know if that's a reason for him to play. Anyway, his season has still not ended. Let him recover.

[Mr. Body]

As for Wesley, can we break down his actual issues?

Defense: He looks like a good defender, with the quickness and anticipation to stay in front of his man and quick-handed enough to be trouble. Help-wise is less clear, but he seems to be okay there, too. He's a bit undersize, so will probably have to cover point-of-attack guards and play PG. Might be able to do some SGs.

Playmaking: A bit incomplete, but shows promise. Positive AST/TO ratio, knows where his guys are supposed to be. Able vision kicking-out from drives.

Shooting: Small sample size, but he was a good spot-up shooter. His percentages weren't that great in college, but his shot selection was super erratic. If he can hit those spot-up threes, it's all a different story for him.

Major Issue: He gets the fuck swatted out of him whenever he drives to the hoop. He has little vertical pop. He glides forward into tree limbs with nothing else to do. Lots of embarrassing swats. Even when he doesn't get swatted, his touch around the rim was terrible.

Now, this is only one issue. It's a very big one, and he probably has some small ones, but his swing issue is whether he can solve this problem. To me, his ceiling looks to be a role-player. I don't think we're seeing a star here, I don't know if we're seeing a long-time Spur, but this may be a guy who can stick in the league and do perfectly alright with his career. It all depends on upping his efficiency. And that depends in large part on what happens on his drives.

Because... silver lining... he gets to the rim to get swatted due to getting past his man so often. The blow-by is no issue. That's great. One analyst pointed out that he takes off the ground too early, meaning his momentum is taken in gliding - at low-level - to the rim and, of course, there's nowhere else to go once he's committed. If he takes another dribble and expends more energy actually going north, that can help. Or he can develop a floater. Or develop pull-up jumpers. The paint is already his: the problem is trying to yam it, which ain't gonna happen.

It's everything in between the three-point line and the rim that he needs to figure out. Slow down after that blow-by. Quickly assess the landscape. See the kick-outs, dump-downs, the floaters, or the stop-and-pops. His tendency is to ignite the jump and there's nothing he can do. If he extends his options, works on using the window, the angles, then he's much better.

[Obstructed_View]

I don't know if that's a reason for him to play. Anyway, his season has still not ended. Let him recover.

That makes sense. Certainly no need to play him every game. He's going to arrive in game shape. Might as well see what he can do.

[Obstructed_View]

As for Wesley, can we break down his actual issues?

Defense: He looks like a good defender, with the quickness and anticipation to stay in front of his man and quick-handed enough to be trouble. Help-wise is less clear, but he seems to be okay there, too. He's a bit undersize, so will probably have to cover point-of-attack guards and play PG. Might be able to do some SGs.

Playmaking: A bit incomplete, but shows promise. Positive AST/TO ratio, knows where his guys are supposed to be. Able vision kicking-out from drives.

Shooting: Small sample size, but he was a good spot-up shooter. His percentages weren't that great in college, but his shot selection was super erratic. If he can hit those spot-up threes, it's all a different story for him.

Major Issue: He gets the fuck swatted out of him whenever he drives to the hoop. He has little vertical pop. He glides forward into tree limbs with nothing else to do. Lots of embarrassing swats. Even when he doesn't get swatted, his touch around the rim was terrible.

Now, this is only one issue. It's a very big one, and he probably has some small ones, but his swing issue is whether he can solve this problem. To me, his ceiling looks to be a role-player. I don't think we're seeing a star here, I don't know if we're seeing a long-time Spur, but this may be a guy who can stick in the league and do perfectly alright with his career. It all depends on upping his efficiency. And that depends in large part on what happens on his drives.

Because... silver lining... he gets to the rim to get swatted due to getting past his man so often. The blow-by is no issue. That's great. One analyst pointed out that he takes off the ground too early, meaning his momentum is taken in gliding - at low-level - to the rim and, of course, there's nowhere else to go once he's committed. If he takes another dribble and expends more energy actually going north, that can help. Or he can develop a floater. Or develop pull-up jumpers. The paint is already his: the problem is trying to yam it, which ain't gonna happen.

It's everything in between the three-point line and the rim that he needs to figure out. Slow down after that blow-by. Quickly assess the landscape. See the kick-outs, dump-downs, the floaters, or the stop-and-pops. His tendency is to ignite the jump and there's nothing he can do. If he extends his options, works on using the window, the angles, then he's much better.

I agree on all points. He seems to have the vision and the willingness to hit open teammates, and that first step breaks down so many defenses. Teaching him the part between blowing by the defender and getting his shit stuffed is the key, but I really think coaching will be able to fix it. If he shows up this year with a reliable three it shrinks his time line down significantly.

[Obstructed_View]

I said at one point during the season that Blake Wesley was already better in year 1 than Lonnie Walker was in his last season with SA and yeah I had to walk that back admittedly but I still kinda stand by it. Walker feasts when Lebron pulled focus away but was worthless to a Spurs team without those distractions imo and even with the optimal system Walker just seems like a basic player. Wes has that certain pop about him.

Wesley would be my pick if I could choose between the two still but it's all in the potential which I really believe in.

Blake Wesley is one to watch next season as others have said and I could see that being true. Blake has all the ingredients but can he put it all together? I feel like Blake Wesley turns a corner next season.

Lonnie is strictly a jump shooter, and he is timid and streaky. I don't remember him going into the paint with authority unless there was no defender near him. He pulled up for weak layups more often than most of us would like.

Prior to his injury, Blake was playing very well. If he can start the season at at least that level, he is ahead of Lonnie.

[Stump]

Why wouldn't he play in summer league? Duncan played in summer league.
He will likely play for France in August, so there is some uncertainty about load management will be handled early on.

[rankingtear]

Why wouldn't he play in summer league? Duncan played in summer league.
He still got the world cup after the French League playoffs, maybe he plays 1 or 2 games. I just don't see the point for a player like him who still has a lot of games left before camp.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah you guys are right. SL is gonna be his only chance to rest.

[JPB]

It's funny just realized I "believed in" Walker IV too as did many here during that last season of his and Walker never really turned that corner for us it seems so here we go again I guess lol

my heart will go on lol

There's always a part of wishful thinking in beliiving in a player also because he happens tp play for your team. You hope or want him to succeed as much as you beleive it...

My issue with Wesley is that we're not talking about something that should be fixed (his uncapicity to finish) but something that should be litterally created since he showed he just can't do it for now at that level... So that's the question, can he do it? Does he have that in him?

[BackHome]

Lonnie main problem was a lack of defensive awareness he had no clue where to be and what to do on the defensive side. As far as Wesley he is light years in front of Lonnie on that side of the ball and I honestly think he likes to play defense which is refreshing in this day and age.

[Mr. Body]

Lonnie main problem was a lack of defensive awareness he had no clue where to be and what to do on the defensive side. As far as Wesley he is light years in front of Lonnie on that side of the ball and I honestly think he likes to play defense which is refreshing in this day and age.

Wesley grew up with Jaden Ivey in South Bend. They used to defend each other going full blast up and down an empty court. You can see the results of that in regards.

[Uriel]

Hoping to see big things out of this kid from South Bend tonight.

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[SayTown]

Really liked his defensive hustle and speed with the ball last game, looking forward to see what he does tonight.

[Dejounte]

Anyone also realize that the slower his ascension would be, the more cap friendly his extension will be? Here’s hoping he shows his upside closer to the end of his contract….

it’s probably too late for Branham if Branham continues his trajectory. Branham might get the Vassell deal if he keeps it up. I think he’s farther along than Vassell was, tbh

[Obstructed_View]

Blake has shown no sign of fading when it matters. Yeah, the three at the end of the last game wasn't the best, but he was open, and he didn't hesitate. He is utterly fearless, which makes him the polar opposite of Lonnie.

[Em-City]

Anyone also realize that the slower his ascension would be, the more cap friendly his extension will be? Here’s hoping he shows his upside closer to the end of his contract….

it’s probably too late for Branham if Branham continues his trajectory. Branham might get the Vassell deal if he keeps it up. I think he’s farther along than Vassell was, tbh

at this rate, with the war chest of draft picks, he may not get extended.

[spurraider21]

at this rate, with the war chest of draft picks, he may not get extended.
Has nothing to do with the trove of draft picks. We knew he was blazing fast when we drafted him. He has to shown something more to get another contract.

[John B]

Wesley will be fine. I don’t remember DJM much better at that age. DJM was always picked when he dribbled in traffic, couldn’t shoot and never attempted to take it strong in the rim. All of those Wesley does better now at that age. But like Wesley, DJM was a gym rat. I am not worried about Wesley.

[spurraider21]

Wesley will be fine. I don’t remember DJM much better at that age. DJM was always picked when he dribbled in traffic, couldn’t shoot and never attempted to take it strong in the rim. All of those Wesley does better now at that age. But like Wesley, DJM was a gym rat. I am not worried about Wesley.
Every player isn’t guaranteed to have the same developmental path as dejounte

[John B]

Every player isn’t guaranteed to have the same developmental path as dejounte

That’s not what I’m saying though. People are overly critical of Wesley, Dejounte was worst at that age.

[Atl Spur]

Blake will need some time to learn how to become a pg / secondary facilitator ( decision making is lower tier ). I can tell his handle is better than last year but he must dribble with purpose and develop a floater. You can tell the kid cares but he must understand the gravity of the roster situation.

[Trill Clinton]

My confidence in this kid is low. He has a Westbrook-esque ability to make bonehead decisions too often.

[slick'81]

My confidence in this kid is low. He has a Westbrook-esque ability to make bonehead decisions too often.


He does kind of remind me of a shittier version of russ. Hes definitely a work in progress

[Mr. Body]

Wesley will be fine. I don’t remember DJM much better at that age. DJM was always picked when he dribbled in traffic, couldn’t shoot and never attempted to take it strong in the rim. All of those Wesley does better now at that age. But like Wesley, DJM was a gym rat. I am not worried about Wesley.

I remember Dejounte unable to get it past Lonzo Ball in one game. It was like a wall. Not long after, he was the better player and was picked 27 slots later (in a different draft).

[MannyIsGod]

That’s not what I’m saying though. People are overly critical of Wesley, Dejounte was worst at that age.

Eh, I don't think this is remotely true.

DJM started over half the games in his SECOND year and did a good enough job that the Spurs told Tony they were moving him to the bench.

Does anyone here realistically think that has a chance of being the case with Wesley? I don't see that at all.

[Obstructed_View]

My confidence in this kid is low. He has a Westbrook-esque ability to make bonehead decisions too often.

Just remember that this is his time to make mistakes. If he has 20 turnovers in summer league nobody gives a shit if he's learning what and what not to do when the games start to matter.

[Obstructed_View]

Eh, I don't think this is remotely true.

Which part? People being overly critical, or DJM being worse than Beedub? (yes, serious question)

[Mr. Body]

Hard to compare Wesley to our memories of Murray. What Dejounte became clouds our understanding. We didnt need Murray at that point, hadn't seen such a development, and now we're seeing raw materials again and there's a lot of impatience.

To me, Murray had some nice things going. His length, defensive potential, his rebounding.

[MannyIsGod]

Which part? People being overly critical, or DJM being worse than Beedub? (yes, serious question)

People are critical of Wesley but overly so? No. But also, he's not anywhere near where DJM was going into his second year IMO.

[exstatic]

Eh, I don't think this is remotely true.

He legit couldn't run a passable pick and roll until season 4. He did miss season 3 with his ACL tear, so, his third season.

[John B]

I remember Dejounte unable to get it past Lonzo Ball in one game. It was like a wall. Not long after, he was the better player and was picked 27 slots later (in a different draft).

I think Bev bullied him all over the court at one point it was painful to watch. DJM didn’t have good handles, too high, all hyped :lol Easily Wesley is wayyy better than DJM then. Chilax people. Wesley is already a very good defender, can shoot and dribble. He doesn’t defer like Lonnie. He just added some 10 lbs muscle over the Summer and could be affecting his shots somewhat. He’ll be fine.

[MannyIsGod]

DJM has a VORP of 1.1 his second season in the NBA. Mainly due to his defense, but I really don't think Wesley gets anywhere near that this year. I just don't see it. Feel free to bump this if he does.

[Mr. Body]

I think Bev bullied him all over the court at one point it was painful to watch. DJM didn’t have good handles, too high, all hyped :lol Easily Wesley is wayyy better than DJM then. Chilax people. Wesley is already a very good defender, can shoot and dribble. He doesn’t defer like Lonnie. He just added some 10 lbs muscle over the Summer and could be affecting his shots somewhat. He’ll be fine.

Im completely bullish on Wesley. I wasn't even on Friday. He creates advantages on both sides of the ball that are not easy to do. The Spurs have done well in drafting guys with superior skills and talents in certain categories who need development elsewhere. Malaki has incredible scoring skills for his age, but is a bad defender. Cissoko is a great movement passer and solid defender but needs to straighten out his scoring. Wesley has a great burst and really nice defensive chops but is very raw.

[MannyIsGod]

I think Bev bullied him all over the court at one point it was painful to watch. DJM didn’t have good handles, too high, all hyped :lol Easily Wesley is wayyy better than DJM then. Chilax people. Wesley is already a very good defender, can shoot and dribble. He doesn’t defer like Lonnie. He just added some 10 lbs muscle over the Summer and could be affecting his shots somewhat. He’ll be fine.

Some of y'all are seriously underrating what DJM was in year 2 because he wasn't the best offensively.

If we compare rookie year stats, DJM was pretty bad with a -4.8 BPM. This is mainly due to him being very bad offensively, but even then he was already pretty decent on D. Especially for a rookie. But overall a -4.8 BPM is not a good player

Blake Wesley was literally twice as bad, with a BPM of -9.6!!!! He was way worse offensively than DJM but way worse defensively as well. Its just not even close.

Wesley has some great abilities, but he is RAW AF and he's got a whole hell of a long way to go.

[Obstructed_View]

People are critical of Wesley but overly so? No. But also, he's not anywhere near where DJM was going into his second year IMO.

Yeah I agree on the first, disagree on the second. My real issue, and his improvement can talk me off that ledge, is that he's a shooting guard. Let him run, let him barrel down the court, let him shoot, just don't make him initiate in half court. In the role that matches his skillset, I think he's far past where Murray was at the same point.

As for his defense, I think his individual defense could definitely become elite if he would learn Bruce Bowen defense and stop reaching in, which he currently does without fucking fail. Also if he improves on his closeouts, which have been the absolute worst part of his game.

[Obstructed_View]

Some of y'all are seriously underrating what DJM was in year 2 because he wasn't the best offensively.

If we compare rookie year stats, DJM was pretty bad with a -4.8 BPM. This is mainly due to him being very bad offensively, but even then he was already pretty decent on D. Especially for a rookie. But overall a -4.8 BPM is not a good player

Blake Wesley was literally twice as bad, with a BPM of -9.6!!!! He was way worse offensively than DJM but way worse defensively as well. Its just not even close.

Wesley has some great abilities, but he is RAW AF and he's got a whole hell of a long way to go.
I'm gonna take every defensive stat from last year with a grain of salt. Defense did most of the heavy lifting for the tank, tbh.

[John B]

Instagram Baller was worst. He couldn’t dribble in traffic without getting picked. He couldn’t shoot the 3. He didn’t once attempted to attack the rim without that double-pump layup. Come on :lol

Parker was told to give the helm because he was getting old and Spurs are transitioning to a new era. Not because DJM was outplaying him. DJM didn’t avg double figure until his 4th season.

[DAF86]

Murray was starting games in his rookie season for a 60 wins team and holding his own.

What are you smoking people? Dejounte >>>> Wesley at this point of their careers.

[John B]

People are comparing Wesley rookie tanking year with a playoff team that DJM had. DJM was getting good space. He had Ginobili, TP and a playoff team to play with. Wesley had… Graham and half of the season he was recovering from injury.

[daslicer]

Murray was starting games in his rookie season for a 60 wins team and holding his own.

What are you smoking people? Dejounte >>>> Wesley at this point of their careers.

He only started 8 games during his rookie year and only played a total of 38 games.

[MannyIsGod]

People are comparing Wesley rookie tanking year with a playoff team that DJM had. DJM was getting good space. He had Ginobili, TP and a playoff team to play with. Wesley had… Graham and half of the season he was recovering from injury.

Uh, YOU are comparing the two by saying he's further along than DJM. Don't start the comparison then complain when people point out its not even close?

DJM was definitely FAR from the worst in his second season. There's virtually no indication Wesley will be a net positive player in the NBA this season. If you think Wesley will out perform DJM's second season I'd be happy to make a bet on this.

[CorrectCrusader]

Hard to compare Wesley to our memories of Murray. What Dejounte became clouds our understanding. We didnt need Murray at that point, hadn't seen such a development, and now we're seeing raw materials again and there's a lot of impatience.

To me, Murray had some nice things going. His length, defensive potential, his rebounding.

Wesley has his nice things too. The uber athleticism, the speed, the pesky defense.

[MannyIsGod]

Yeah I agree on the first, disagree on the second. My real issue, and his improvement can talk me off that ledge, is that he's a shooting guard. Let him run, let him barrel down the court, let him shoot, just don't make him initiate in half court. In the role that matches his skillset, I think he's far past where Murray was at the same point.

As for his defense, I think his individual defense could definitely become elite if he would learn Bruce Bowen defense and stop reaching in, which he currently does without fucking fail. Also if he improves on his closeouts, which have been the absolute worst part of his game.

He's 100% a more gifted scorer - or a more natural scorer if you prefer - than DJM, so right out of the gate he had an advantage on DJM there. But literally every other facet of the game he's way behind so its not fair to say he's ahead of the developmental curve than DJM was at the same point. The implication here is that he's going to exceed what DJM has become which I put at a very low percentage outcome for Wesley.

As for the defense, I don't totally buy that we should disregard the stats from last year, but even if we do that Wesley was STILL far worse than DJM offensively in their rookie seasons.

[exstatic]

He only started 8 games during his rookie year and only played a total of 38 games.

And even with starting 8 games, he was averaging 8.5 minutes per contest, and essentially playing SF, since he could neither shoot nor dribble at an NBA level.

[John B]

Uh, YOU are comparing the two by saying he's further along than DJM. Don't start the comparison then complain when people point out its not even close?

DJM was definitely FAR from the worst in his second season. There's virtually no indication Wesley will be a net positive player in the NBA this season. If you think Wesley will out perform DJM's second season I'd be happy to make a bet on this.

I’m just saying people are too critical of Wesley. 1. He was coming off injury that took half of his rookie season. 2. He was playing with a tanking team with the likes of Graham, etc., the line-up was different every game, no continuity, so it’s not fair to run any rating. I’m comparing him to DJM, because I don’t remember DJM any better. As mentioned, he couldn’t dribble in traffic, no outside shots, not even attempting to attack the basket. I trust Spurs development coaches throughtout the years. Wesley is uber competitive (unlike Lonnie). And he’s working day and night as per his interview. So yeah, I’m confident he’ll be fine, is all I’m saying.

[Dejounte]

It’s unfair to use the “DJ was starter on so and so teams” argument not because of what others said above, but because we can’t assume Wesley wouldn’t perform just as well. There are so many factors involved that you can’t compare both situations. There are synergies that need to be factored in. It could very well been that DJ was at the right place, at the right time when he got that role. He didn’t exactly earn it. The Spurs thrusted him into it, as he was one of the few projects they had at the time. No win loss record ever truly tell the story. If that was the case, we would see more consistently good teams or consistently bad teams but the reality is, one season a team could be great and then the next, they could be shit. That happens to teams that don’t even make much changes.

[BacktoBasics]

People are critical of Wesley but overly so? No. But also, he's not anywhere near where DJM was going into his second year IMO.

Wesley missed a lot of potential time to grow while being injured his rookie season. Then when healthy it took some time to acclimate.

I’m not super high on Blake but I’m not low on him either. He needs a relatively healthy year. He’s a project and a good one.

[DAF86]

He only started 8 games during his rookie year and only played a total of 38 games.

So, yeah, basically what I said. :lol

[daslicer]

So, yeah, basically what I said. :lol

You were trying to imply that he had a significant role when he didn't when you said he was starting and holding his own. That is why I posted his stats.

[DAF86]

You were trying to imply that he had a significant role when he didn't when you said he was starting and holding his own. That is why I posted his stats.

No, I said what I said, what you got from it is your problem.

Pop trusted Murray with the starting gig whenever Tony was out because he was a much more advanced player than what Wesley is today. Do you see Pop starting rookie Wesley on those championship level teams? Not a chance in hell.

[exstatic]

No, I said what I said, what you got from it is your problem.

Pop trusted Murray with the starting gig whenever Tony was out because he was a much more advanced player than what Wesley is today. Do you see Pop starting rookie Wesley on those championship level teams? Not a chance in hell.

No, he had two other HOF players to buffer him. He could neither dribble or shoot at an NBA level, and mostly played SF because of his rebounding and defense.

[John B]

No, I said what I said, what you got from it is your problem.

Pop trusted Murray with the starting gig whenever Tony was out because he was a much more advanced player than what Wesley is today. Do you see Pop starting rookie Wesley on those championship level teams? Not a chance in hell.

Of course Pop would play DJM in Tony’s absence. He was the backup PG :lol Who would he play, Nicolas Laprovittola??

Starting Patty instead would take his production off the 2nd unit and chemistry. Pop had to start DJM.

And yes given the same situation, Pop would play Wesley if he were the backup PG. Come on man.

[DAF86]

Of course Pop would play DJM in Tony’s absence. He was the backup PG :lol Who would he play, Nicolas Laprovittola??

Starting Patty instead would take his production off the 2nd unit and chemistry. Pop had to start DJM.

And yes given the same situation, Pop would play Wesley if he were the backup PG. Come on man.

If it were between Wesley and Laprovittola, I'm pretty sure he would have went with Laprovittola. Wesley isn't ready for prime time yet. Not saying Murray was at that time, but at least he could play a role and stay out of the way. Blake is too raw not to fuck up at the level of execution that team played with.

[DAF86]

No, he had two other HOF players to buffer him. He could neither dribble or shoot at an NBA level, and mostly played SF because of his rebounding and defense.

Well, Wesley can't do that, so.

[John B]

If it were between Wesley and Laprovittola, I'm pretty sure he would have went with Laprovittola. Wesley isn't ready for prime time yet. Not saying Murray was at that time, but at least he could play a role and stay out of the way. Blake is too raw not to fuck up at the level of execution that team played with.

I’ll bump this when Wesley starts balling. Wesley will be a stud I’m telling you. That kid has too much dog in him, he almost broke in a fight with Malaki :lol Do you watch him dunk against bigs?? Undeterred, albeit getting blocked but he keeps on coming back. He doesn’t backdown. You never underestimate a player like that.

I don’t remember not once did DJM attack the rim with contact in his rookie year. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

[The Truth #6]

He can’t elevate and generally has very poor touch. To me, those are the hurdles from the beginning. I think his shooting touch can improve some, but not sure about the weak vertical. I think his dogged determination works against him when he gets into the lane because he keeps trying to get to the rim but too often gets blocked horribly. He has to balance his will to fight with some actual bbiq, eventually.

[exstatic]

Well, Wesley can't do that, so.

Blake shot 38.5% from long as a rookie.

[exstatic]

He can’t elevate and generally has very poor touch. To me, those are the hurdles from the beginning. I think his shooting touch can improve some, but not sure about the weak vertical. I think his dogged determination works against him when he gets into the lane because he keeps trying to get to the rim but too often gets blocked horribly. He has to balance his will to fight with some actual bbiq, eventually.

Blake Wesley's combine max vert is 36". While that's not world beating, it also isn't weak.

[Mr. Body]

Blake's issue isn't elevation so much as where he takes off. He uses more momentum getting to the hoop and by the time he's airborne he's staying below the rim. He's also predictable once he's in the air. He's never going to be a guy who yams it over people but he's learning his angles better.

[The Truth #6]

Blake Wesley's combine max vert is 36". While that's not world beating, it also isn't weak.

That’s interesting. Seems way less in games. Body’s point is interesting also, but seems like he would have worked to correct his jumping-timing a long time ago if that is indeed the issue.

[DAF86]

I’ll bump this when Wesley starts balling. Wesley will be a stud I’m telling you. That kid has too much dog in him, he almost broke in a fight with Malaki :lol Do you watch him dunk against bigs?? Undeterred, albeit getting blocked but he keeps on coming back. He doesn’t backdown. You never underestimate a player like that.

I don’t remember not once did DJM attack the rim with contact in his rookie year. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

That wouldn't make what I'm saying untrue, tbh.

[DAF86]

Blake shot 38.5% from long as a rookie.

Murray shot 39.1% :lol

Either way, neither had enough of a sample size on 3's to make this a relevant argument, tbh.

[Eaglenole2002]

Just not seeing sognificant improvement. Still no floater. Loose handles. Blocked a bunch at the rim. No point guard feel. Seems robotic and predetermined with his passes.

He’s young, but he really has only this season left to show he’s worth rostering before we need to cut bait. It seems like maybe to salvage him he needs to focus more on 3 and D and be a secondary ball handler. I don’t see how his instincts can improve enough to be a useful player at PG on a good team.

[exstatic]

Just not seeing sognificant improvement. Still no floater. Loose handles. Blocked a bunch at the rim. No point guard feel. Seems robotic and predetermined with his passes.

He’s young, but he really has only this season left to show he’s worth rostering before we need to cut bait. It seems like maybe to salvage him he needs to focus more on 3 and D and be a secondary ball handler. I don’t see how his instincts can improve enough to be a useful player at PG on a good team.

He’s played half of a rookie season.

[Obstructed_View]

He’s played half of a rookie season.

He was out for less than six weeks if I remember correctly.

[SpursFan86]

It’s a little silly to spend time debating whether DJM or Wesley were the better rookie…both were miserable and clearly not NBA-level players at that point in their development. It’s like arguing whether shit or vomit tastes better :lol

- Both had single digit PERs
- Both were terrible finishers (they both could hardly crack 50% at the rim)
- Both were turnover prone (DJM averaged 4.2 TOs per 36, Wesley was at 3.5)

Wesley was a year younger than Murray, in a much less conducive situation to succeed, and lost significant time due to injury…but regardless, they were both awful. Does this mean Wesley will turn into the next Dejounte? Of course not - plenty of players suck as rookies and then just truly end up never being legitimate NBA players :lol But the point is that it just really is far too early to write off Wesley. Even if he spends most of his sophomore season in the G League (or in the NBA but playing at a terrible level), I don’t think that necessarily means he’s doomed. He was widely considered to be a major project going into the draft; no one should’ve ever expected him to contribute as a rookie. The only reason he played as much as he did was because we were tanking and had a terrible team.

People should continue to exercise patience throughout this year. If he still just looks completely lost and overwhelmed this time next year then sure, you can hit the panic button and question whether it’s time to cut bait.

[Obstructed_View]

If it takes Wesley five years to figure it out, he will be an all-star level player for at least a decade. The downside of that is he will do it for another team.

[SpursFan86]

If it takes Wesley five years to figure it out, he will be an all-star level player for at least a decade. The downside of that is he will do it for another team.

Honestly the slower developmental arc plays to our benefit. If he booms this year or the next we’ll have to throw major money at him to retain him. The ideal scenario would be one where he comes on more slowly and finally looks like league average player in year 3…then we extend him for a very reasonable deal and he officially breaks our shortly after.

Obviously somewhat of a pipe dream, but just saying that it could be a good thing if he takes a little longer to develop. Not like we’re dying for him to be a contributor to a playoff team in years 2 or 3.

[exstatic]

He was out for less than six weeks if I remember correctly.

He played 37 total games. That is less than half of an 82 game season.

[Seventyniner]

Honestly the slower developmental arc plays to our benefit. If he booms this year or the next we’ll have to throw major money at him to retain him. The ideal scenario would be one where he comes on more slowly and finally looks like league average player in year 3…then we extend him for a very reasonable deal and he officially breaks our shortly after.

Obviously somewhat of a pipe dream, but just saying that it could be a good thing if he takes a little longer to develop. Not like we’re dying for him to be a contributor to a playoff team in years 2 or 3.

The best thing for the Spurs would be for Wesley to show just enough to get a modest extension, then break out immediately after. Unlikely to happen though, compared to him breaking out earlier or never doing so at all.

[Obstructed_View]

He played 37 total games. That is less than half of an 82 game season.
Yeah, that's not how that works for a rookie.

[Obstructed_View]

Honestly the slower developmental arc plays to our benefit. If he booms this year or the next we’ll have to throw major money at him to retain him. The ideal scenario would be one where he comes on more slowly and finally looks like league average player in year 3…then we extend him for a very reasonable deal and he officially breaks our shortly after.

Obviously somewhat of a pipe dream, but just saying that it could be a good thing if he takes a little longer to develop. Not like we’re dying for him to be a contributor to a playoff team in years 2 or 3.
Yeah it could work out that way. It's a good notion. I certainly hope he stays around.

[exstatic]

Yeah, that's not how that works for a rookie.

How does it work? He wasn’t being regularly sat, maybe 5 games. He played when healthy. That was 37 games.

[Eaglenole2002]

He’s played half of a rookie season.

Plus 11 GLeague games, an offseason and now summer league. I get it. He’s young. But I don’t think it’s unfair to have expected more tangible improvement going into his second summer league.

[spurraider21]

He played 37 total games. That is less than half of an 82 game season.
and 14 gleague games

[tonight...you]

He played 37 total games. That is less than half of an 82 game season.
And a bunch of pick-up games of 21!

Sorry... just following the current parade.

[exstatic]

And he beat the crap out of some olds at the Y!

[exstatic]

Malaki’s 37th game was January 28th, and people were calling him a wasted pick too. Then, February happened, and he was in the running for rookie of the month.

[Obstructed_View]

How does it work? He wasn’t being regularly sat, maybe 5 games. He played when healthy. That was 37 games.
He wasn't locked in a freezer or sitting on a couch. He was hurt for a few weeks but the rest of the time he's working out, running drills and practicing with Austin. That is a full season.

[exstatic]

He wasn't locked in a freezer or sitting on a couch. He was hurt for a few weeks but the rest of the time he's working out, running drills and practicing with Austin. That is a full season.

None of that is NBA basketball, which is where you cut your teeth.

He missed more than a few weeks. He was injured on the 30th of October, and didn’t return until January 13th. That’s 2 1/2 months.

[Ice009]

He can’t elevate and generally has very poor touch. To me, those are the hurdles from the beginning. I think his shooting touch can improve some, but not sure about the weak vertical. I think his dogged determination works against him when he gets into the lane because he keeps trying to get to the rim but too often gets blocked horribly. He has to balance his will to fight with some actual bbiq, eventually.

What was his vertical anyway? Was it measured at the draft combine? Edit : Just read Exstatic posted his combine vertical a few posts below. I guess 36 inches isn't too bad.

I've also always wondered, can NBA players improve their vertical much when entering the league with the training/nutrition they're able to get? I know genetics play a big part, but I always thought you can increase it if you do a specific programs/training (I remember Jordan Kilganon (professional dunker) I think it was that said cardio isn't good for your vertical, so if that is true, being an NBA player running around the court doesn't help with trying to increase your vertical. I guess that is where genetics come in if you can still do that while still having a massive vertical, you've got great genetics. This is also another reason I think Zion Williamson is a waste, as if I had his genetics, I wouldn't piss it away getting fat and chasing porn stars. What a joke to not take those gifts seriously. He doesn't deserve to have them. Sorry for going off topic there, but thinking about someone like that with those tools/gifts pisses me off).

Anyway, If I were Wesley, I'd be doing everything I can to increase my vertical, as that would unlock his game going to the rim even more if he can finish over the top of people. He's got the aggressiveness and determination, but it just seems his vertical is holding him back a bit. I know you don't need the biggest vertical to finish as TP was an amazing finisher (one of the best IMO), but not sure what else Blake is doing wrong that he gets blocked a lot of the time? Is it his timing on jumps, is he showing the ball too much, is he not changing pace enough when going to the basket? TP also had amazing footwork down low. Not sure if Blake can get to that level footwork wise?

By the way, I love Blake, so I am not taking shots at him. I just want him to put it all together to succeed out there. I was one of the posters here that was willing to give Lonnie more chances than anyone as I believed in his potential. Blake wants it a lot more than Lonnie ever did, so I am more that willing to give him time to figure it all out.

[rankingtear]

No floater. Nothing works for him without it. This was the priority since last year and they completely scrapped it. What is the plan now?

[JPB]

Wesley won't be here in 3 years. And yes, oh yeah, fuck yeah, you can quote me on that.

[MannyIsGod]

None of that is NBA basketball, which is where you cut your teeth.

He missed more than a few weeks. He was injured on the 30th of October, and didn’t return until January 13th. That’s 2 1/2 months.

it wasn't NBA basketball because he wasn't ready for NBA basketball.

its wild, I'm not saying the dude is going to be a bust (although I do think it more likely than not) but you guys are just giving this guy so many excuses. Yes, being hurt is a detriment as you can't workout, but you're still on an NBA team and still receiving coaching the entire time. You're still reviewing film, you're still learning and you're still a professional basketball player. Dude wasn't in a coma.

Its not impossible that dude is much better by the time training camp comes around, but RIGHT NOW, dude is not noticeably better than the end of last year at which point he was literally one of the very worst players in the NBA.

[wildbill2u]

Wesley Assets: 1. Speed 2. vertical jump OK. 3. Attitude/determination to make NBA

Wesley Debits: 1. shooting. 2. Finishing 3. BBIQ 4. handle 5. Black hole. 6. fouling 7. If he doesn't have the natural skill set of a PG, Do any of his debits really lead us to expect a full rotational Shooting Guard?

I probably forgot some points either way, but you can add to the list. I remember some posters made a couple of mentions, describing him as a deer. HMMM? Where have we heard that before?

Remember what Sir Charles said, describing a certain kind of player with physical skills but little else:." Deer can run fast and jump high....but you don't find any deer playing in the NBA."

[scott]

I can't even remember what 2nd year DJM looked like... but what does it even matter? Blake isn't DJM, he's Blake. And right now Blake looks like he has a long way to go. Hopefully he gets there, seems like a good kid... but so did Lonnie.

[talkspurs]

I dont think this is possible but does anyone know if he can be cut and resigned on a two way. I dont think the Spurs would do that even if they could but he is one that I dont see them picking up his 3rd year option.

[south side spur]

Murray 2017 Summer League

4 games
6 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 spg, 4 to


Wesley 2023 Summer League

6 games
12.83 ppg, 3.66 apg, 6.16 rpg, 1.33 spg, 3.16 to

[rankingtear]

DJ was just behind because of family circumstances in his early years. Wes is just bad. There is a difference.

[SpursFan86]

So what are we expecting in terms of this upcoming season? I think at this point we can all agree that him being the backup PG for the big league team is out the window :lol Does he spend a good chunk of time in Austin?

[slick'81]

So what are we expecting in terms of this upcoming season? I think at this point we can all agree that him being the backup PG for the big league team is out the window :lol Does he spend a good chunk of time in Austin?

3rd pg at best in garbage time is probably his ceiling right now

[MultiTroll]

3rd pg at best in garbage time is probably his ceiling right now
Beginning his 2nd season with the big club, could Wesley start 161 out of 162 games?
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/22/61/77/21700589/4/1200x0.jpg

[spurraider21]

Forbes was a better player then than Wesley is now tbh

[SpursFan86]

Guess I’m just wondering whether they’d rather have him get a bunch of playing time in Austin, or have him buried at the end of the bench with the main team. If they’re really dead set on evaluating him I guess they could choose to still play him substantial minutes in San Antonio at the expense of the team probably being worse off this year.

[spurraider21]

Wesley definitely needs to be in Austin full time. Maximize the reps. Unless injuries dictate otherwise

[JPB]

Murray 2017 Summer League

4 games
6 ppg, 3.8 apg, 5.5 rpg, 1.5 spg, 4 to


Wesley 2023 Summer League

6 games
12.83 ppg, 3.66 apg, 6.16 rpg, 1.33 spg, 3.16 to

His rookie year in Summer League, Murray (when he actually tried) averaged 10.8 pts in Vegas and 21.0 pts in Salt Lake City. The number you gave correspond to his second year where for some reason (probably being pissed or injured I do'nt know) he didn't even tried (0.176% and 0.316% shooting)... By the way, Nikola Jokic in SL: 8pts, 6rbds, 1.4 ass... So I guess Wesley is gonna be a multiple MVP.

But that's Wesley's problem, which isn't trying, that's trying too much to do things he can't and not doing things he should. Give any of these kids the green light (like Wesley obviously has been by the spurs who want to see if he improved) and they'll post Wesley's number in SL... Maybe not the 3.66/3.16 ass/to ratio tho... It's not about the numbers, not to mention Blake is a sophomore and those are not outstanding numbers, it's about his play.

[south side spur]

His rookie year in Summer League, Murray (when he actually tried) averaged 10.8 pts in Vegas and 21.0 pts in Salt Lake City. The number you gave correspond to his second year where for some reason (probably being pissed or injured I do'nt know) he didn't even tried (0.176% and 0.316% shooting)... By the way, Nikola Jokic in SL: 8pts, 6rbds, 1.4 ass... So I guess Wesley is gonna be a multiple MVP.

But that's Wesley's problem, which isn't trying, that's trying too much to do things he can't and not doing things he should. Give any of these kids the green light (like Wesley obviously has been by the spurs who want to see if he improved) and they'll post Wesley's number in SL... Maybe not the 3.66/3.16 ass/to ratio tho... It's not about the numbers, not to mention Blake is a sophomore and those are not outstanding numbers, it's about his play.

Murray averaged 12.5 ppg his rookie summer league. The fact that you believe this was Dejounte really trying and is some sort of validation of Murray outperforming Wesley is confusing. There’s no need to embellish.

https://airalamo.com/2016/07/18/dejounte-murray-summer-league-review/

After Murray threw up a 21 point, 5 rebound debut against the Celtics in which he shot an efficient 8/12 from the floor, he began to show how raw he was.

In the following four games, Murray was incredibly inefficient, as his lack of shooting and decision making overshadowed his natural ability. Murray’s four game slump made him look like he just wasn’t ready to contribute on this level, even though his potential was clearly there.

For a point guard, averaging 8.5 points, one assist, and four turnovers per game is a nightmare. Even though his rebounding and defense were legitimate bright spots, Murray’s performance after his debut was down right awful.

[lefty20]

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Can apply to this current Spurs squad as well, imo.

Playmaking by committee, we don't need one shorty pounding the air outta the ball or burning half of the shot clock trying to "set the table".

[HankChinaski]

He'll have the rest of the off season after SL to work with the coaching staff after his recent play on what he should be focusing on and plenty of tape illustrating why.

See how he looks after December then make a decision over the summer

[ivanfromwestwood]

:bang Is it too soon to cut him? This dude couldn't finish at the basket if his career depended on it

[John B]

On Blake defense, I think he is one of the better perimeter defenders out there, and that's a big start. His handles are getting so much better.. He is so much stronger and that would only help him finish

[spurraider21]

:bang Is it too soon to cut him? This dude couldn't finish at the basket if his career depended on it
he wont be cut, but im not sure its a lock that they'll pick up his 3rd year option. they have 2 weeks to decide that.

with how many expiring deals we're already looking at though (mcdermott, osman, collins, graham*), i think they'll pick it up regardless

[onechance87]

On Blake defense, I think he is one of the better perimeter defenders out there, and that's a big start. His handles are getting so much better.. He is so much stronger and that would only help him finish

meh....hes just another cory joseph at this point

[Seventyniner]

he wont be cut, but im not sure its a lock that they'll pick up his 3rd year option. they have 2 weeks to decide that.

with how many expiring deals we're already looking at though (mcdermott, osman, collins, graham*), i think they'll pick it up regardless

Wesley's 4th year salary in 2025-2026 is around $4.7M. If the cap goes up 10% each of the next two years that $4.7M would represent about 2.9% of the cap. imo that's little enough that it's well worth picking up that option because if he ends up being a late bloomer the Spurs get a chance to find out while he's still on the team.

His roster spot is a bigger constraint than his salary.

[Seventyniner]

meh....hes just another cory joseph at this point

Wesley is nothing like CoJo in terms of skillset, but CoJo carved out a long career as a solid backup PG. Wesley having a similar impact in the league would be amazing.

[Kurik]

meh....hes just another cory joseph at this point

Don’t put Wesley on Joseph’s level.

[John B]

meh....hes just another cory joseph at this point

And CoJo on his 14th season?? :rollin

[tim_duncan_fan]

Hi shooting is rough, but I am not done with him. Above-average defense. He'll work on the finishing. He'll be alright.

[ismael-robert]

He's Lonnie without the jumping ability

[onechance87]

And CoJo on his 14th season?? :rollin

i ment like average shooter with decent ball handling that plays d....We have that already with tre jones....Hope he would
step up and end up being the starter for this team...Dont look like it tho

[Mr. Body]

Gatdamn I can't say how wrong you all are about him. What a bunch of noobs.

[Obstructed_View]

Keep waiting for him to show anything. He has no court vision, he can't shoot, he can't hit free throws, and the team just bled points while he was on the floor. I'm seeing zero improvement.

If there is a roster crunch, why not cut him, tbh?

[tim_duncan_fan]

What's the crunch?

[Obstructed_View]

meh....hes just another cory joseph at this point
CJ contributed on a title team. He dunked on Serge Ibaka against OKC and helped turn that series around. At this point, Wesley becoming CJ would be amazing.

[Ditty]

I have been a Wesley supporter but it seems like he needs another season in Austin if he wants any type of NBA career...

[John B]

You sll know that PG is the hardest position, setting the tempo, distributing, creating offense. Already he’s above average defender, his handles are much improved, he can push the ball. It’s baby step steps to the toughest job in the NBA.

[Mr. Body]

You sll know that PG is the hardest position, setting the tempo, distributing, creating offense. Already he’s above average defender, his handles are much improved, he can push the ball. It’s baby step steps to the toughest job in the NBA.

He's doing fine. Just ignore the gaggle of idiots. They have no idea what they're looking at.

[Chinook]

I think he's doing some things well and isn't likely to be cut. But I also don't particularly like what I see out there. PG remains the biggest long-term need on the roster at this point.

[buttsR4rebounding]

He's Lonnie without the jumping ability

Please…..they are almost opposites. Lonnie played no D and was out of position frequently with low, low , low BBIQ. Wesley plays very good D, seems to have decent BBIQ but thinks he’s a mason.

[Mr. Body]

Please…..they are almost opposites. Lonnie played no D and was out of position frequently with low, low , low BBIQ. Wesley plays very good D, seems to have decent BBIQ but thinks he’s a mason.

Yes, thank you. Lonnie and Blake are almost complete opposite players.

[JPB]

He's doing fine. Just ignore the gaggle of idiots. They have no idea what they're looking at.

I have a clear idea of what I'm looking at, which is a guy who isn't doing fine at all, and hasn't shown anything yet after one year that lets suggest he can have a real impact or place on this team.

4 pts at 2/10, 4 ass/2to, -16 +/- tonight and not the defensive ace some desperately try to make him. maybe confusing activity and efficiency or BBIQ... Yeah, he's gesticulating out there, but to no avail and for no real positive production. I don't know if he'll ever find a place in this league but as of now he's a scrub who can't finish for his life at the rim, which in a team where Wemby will open a lot of lines is a deal breaker. He's still G League material at this point, just hoping he'll somehow get it there, but does he have the tools for that?

That's just blind love, "hey look, Wesley is moving on a BB court!"

[ismael-robert]

I'm referring to offense...neither of them ccan figure out how to finish...all that speed n driving ability with no touch

[Atl Spur]

Blake isn’t a point guard…… he needs a lot of work!

[onechance87]

if blake dont progress this season...Would like to see rice running the offence at some point

[Obstructed_View]

You sll know that PG is the hardest position, setting the tempo, distributing, creating offense. Already he’s above average defender, his handles are much improved, he can push the ball. It’s baby step steps to the toughest job in the NBA.
He can't shoot. He can't score in the paint. The Spurs offense doesn't require a point guard do anything other than dribble the ball up the floor.

[John B]

He can't shoot. He can't score in the paint. The Spurs offense doesn't require a point guard do anything other than dribble the ball up the floor.

You’re just hating. Wesley definitely can shoot and finish just not on a consistent basis, and that’s what he needs to work on.

[spurraider21]

You’re just hating. Wesley definitely can shoot and finish just not on a consistent basis, and that’s what he needs to work on.
I mean i can shoot and score just not on a consistent basis either but I’m not getting any offers

anybody can make shots. That’s not what matters

[Obstructed_View]

You’re just hating. Wesley definitely can shoot and finish just not on a consistent basis, and that’s what he needs to work on.
Lol hating. What a retarded response. Nobody was more excited that the Spurs drafted Wesley, and few have followed his career as a Spur more closely than I have. I'm dying for him to do well and improve, but I'm watching him play. I think he made one shot tonight and he missed every free throw I saw him take. They also coughed up a 14 point lead. The promise he showed right up until his injury last year is a faint memory. He has put up a bit of effort on defense, but the rest of his game is disappointing. He is currently showing a poor feel for the game, something that started in summer league and has generally failed to show improvement.

The Spurs reached for him because his physical gifts meant he might become a superstar. He doesn't even look like a rotation NBA player at this point. Not a promising career arc.

[EricB]

Dude just turned 20 and y’all are treating him like just turned 26.

some goofy ass people in here

[onechance87]

Dude just turned 20 and y’all are treating him like just turned 26.

some goofy ass people in here

we been searching for a pg the last few years,If wesley aint trying to step up and take advantage of what this team needs
then we gotta start looking elsewhere

[JPB]

Dude just turned 20 and y’all are treating him like just turned 26.

some goofy ass people in here

Nope, we're just judging what we're seeing right now, not extrapolating on supposed skills and talent lke some do. I'm a not a prophet and won't tell Wesley is done for the NBA since he's indeed 20, but there are plenty of 20 young NBA players that at least show something that let you imagine they belong, not to mention will star... Wesley hasn't so far, while exposing his inability to finish, really shoot or display some real BBIQ or anything that would make you want to say positive things about him... Oh yeah, he's fast... OK, but what productive things is he doing with that?


And saying he is doing OK is after last night game is just wrong. It feels like a few guys decided they liked him and are already happy to see him dribble the ball on a BB court. This isn't that "legendary" workout anymore, but real organised elite BB, and so far he showed nothing that indicate he could even crack the rotation, other than in garbage time if he actually make the big team. There's a reason, spurs players talk about PG duties by committee and Sochan should start the season there, they don't believe Wesley can make the job, even on the second squad, and barring injuries he should still spend a lot of time in Austin... He doesn't belong right now.

[Mr. Body]

Dude just turned 20 and y’all are treating him like just turned 26.

some goofy ass people in here

It's beyond stupid. This team has slowly turned late picks into his players, like five of them recently, and they're ready to cut him after a single injury shortened rookie year. Goofy as hell.

[John B]

It's beyond stupid. This team has slowly turned late picks into his players, like five of them recently, and they're ready to cut him after a single injury shortened rookie year. Goofy as hell.

Goofy stupid who knows more than Pop evaluating players

[exstatic]

meh....hes just another cory joseph at this point

Cory Joseph has played 790 games, and earned $72M. He was also a rotation player on a championship team. There are many players selected in the top 10 who don’t hit those milestones.

[spurraider21]

Gatdamn I can't say how wrong you all are about him. What a bunch of noobs.


He's doing fine. Just ignore the gaggle of idiots. They have no idea what they're looking at.
you seem personally offended that people aren’t pleased with Wesley’s play

or in general seem to believe they people who don’t agree with you must be idiots

[Mr. Body]

you seem personally offended that people aren’t pleased with Wesley’s play

or in general seem to believe they people who don’t agree with you must be idiots

I'm baffled by the talk about cutting him or saying he's awful. It's ridiculous basketball analysis and just dumb group think. It's impressive that a franchise that is so intelligent has such shortsighted fans. We would have cut Kyle Anderson, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray, Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell well before they became good players.

It's objectively idiotic. I don't mind saying so.

[rankingtear]

Why can't we cut the worst player in the league?

[exstatic]

Why can't we cut the worst player in the league?

Cuts before Blake: Birch, Champagnie

[spurraider21]

I'm baffled by the talk about cutting him or saying he's awful. It's ridiculous basketball analysis and just dumb group think. It's impressive that a franchise that is so intelligent has such shortsighted fans. We would have cut Kyle Anderson, Derrick White, Dejounte Murray, Keldon Johnson and Devin Vassell well before they became good players.

It's objectively idiotic. I don't mind saying so.
The spurs also cut Samanic after 1 year

[spurraider21]

Cuts before Blake: Birch, Champagnie
I’d also say Graham. He seems like an afterthought based on preseason minutes. Even with Tre out. Mamu another option as well though i don’t see that happening

birch is still the easy obvious answer to get us down to 15. Just remains a question if we can afford to trot out this version of Wesley if the goal is to win games this year. Otherwise he’s going to need to play a lot of austin ball, but that also cuts into Rice’s ability to get exposure there at point

[exstatic]

The spurs also cut Samanic after 1 year

Two years. He was also a lazy headcase, and was not cut for basketball skill reasons.

[The Truth #6]

I think it's okay to acknowledge both things. He generally has sucked, but that's because he's young and has a lot to learn, and it's okay to give him more time.

[exstatic]

I’d also say Graham. He seems like an afterthought based on preseason minutes. Even with Tre out. Mamu another option as well though i don’t see that happening

birch is still the easy obvious answer to get us down to 15. Just remains a question if we can afford to trot out this version of Wesley if the goal is to win games this year. Otherwise he’s going to need to play a lot of austin ball, but that also cuts into Rice’s ability to get exposure there at point

Rice was signed because Austin over the years has had problems keeping a PG for the whole season. I don't consider a non-drafted near 25 YO to be a SA development project. He's older than every player on the roster that was drafted by the Spurs, plus guys like Mamu and Bassey. He's on a 2way because gleague contracts are crap, and they don't want him bolting to Europe or Mexico in the middle of the season like past Austin PGs have. When Wesley is in Austin, Rice shoots well enough to slide over to the 2, and play off the ball.

[spurraider21]

Two years. He was also a lazy headcase, and was not cut for basketball skill reasons.
You’re right about two years. But whatever the underlying cause, he was cut because he wasn’t playing well enough or showing the improvement and growth they needed to see

assuming birch is the cut, next year the spurs will have Collins, Osman, McDermott, and Graham (most likely) off their books. They will also have at least 2 first round picks coming in. If they want to say, re-sign Collins and add FA help, you might be seeing another roster crunch.

i don’t believe Wesley gets cut this year but i don’t think it can be taken for granted that he will be on the roster to start next season and that he’s simply going to be granted a second redshirt year. He’s going to have to play into that spot.

[Mr. Body]

Samanic was cut because of attitude and effort. Otherwise he'd still be on the team.

Blake's attitude and effort don't seem to be an issue at all. Anyway, this is turning into a negativity circle jerk and it's pointless. Off to other things.

[The Truth #6]

If Sochan starts playing really well as their "point guard" and with Tre locking down the backup spot, that's a possibility where Blake's development path gets a tighter look.