Latest Intel on Potential Dejounte Murray Trade

[Mr. Body]

Jake Fischer on Dunc’d On said the most recent he has heard is that John Collins is back in the talks to head to SA if Dejounte goes to ATL

Damn, hang it up, Jake.

[Eaglenole2002]

i saw collin reid's tweet too
I would have posted the tweet if I knew how. I was too lazy to add “per Collin Reid.”

[CGD]

surprisingly quiet day on the Murray front as far as actual new reporting

Reporting generally

[RC_Drunkford]

I think we got the best reports from timvp tbh. Even big news outlets are posting his intel cause they didn't hear anything besides reports from Jake Fischer

[Dex]

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[KingKev]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4Xqlz9as9U

Open growth plates has made it to local TV. Anyone else hear big balls?

[Mugen]

I'd be ok with a bidding war between the Knicks, Wizards, and Hawks tbh :lol

I just don't see any team giving up unprotected picks in this day and age.

[KingKev]

I'd be ok with a bidding war between the Knicks, Wizards, and Hawks tbh :lol

I just don't see any team giving up unprotected picks in this day and age.

Knicks are dumb enough, ATL and Wiz are desperate enough.

[RC_Drunkford]

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Spurs are driving the price up. With all those teams interested, I'm pretty sure some team will overpay massively

[Ariel]

Spurs are driving the price up. With all those teams interested, I'm pretty sure some team will overpay massively
Yup. That would be the smart move. Not sell low to Atlanta, but start a bidding war with NY, Washington, and more... that's how you land a crazy offer.

[Degoat]

Spurs are driving the price up. With all those teams interested, I'm pretty sure some team will overpay massively

Especially with how bad the free agency pool is this off-season, DJ would be the prized acquisition.

[td4mvp2k]

mia and bos calling about him

[paperboy77]

I’m surprised teams are offering that much. 4-5 draft pics can be crippling for a franchise to cough up even for a team with decent draft capital.

Murray is a very good player. I think we at ST over and under value the shit out of our players. Murray is really good and the NBA knows it.

[Mr. Body]

Murray is a very good player. I think we at ST over and under value the shit out of our players. Murray is really good and the NBA knows it.

The Spurs are also frankly selling him cheaply. He's on a very good deal and normally a player of his caliber costs other players of caliber. The Spurs seem to be eliciting only draft capital and perhaps a decent young player or two.

This is a remarkable sale, really. If the Spurs are ready to give him up to near-contending teams for protected picks, they'd be crazy not to jump in.

[AFBlue]

The Spurs are also frankly selling him cheaply. He's on a very good deal and normally a player of his caliber costs other players of caliber. The Spurs seem to be eliciting only draft capital and perhaps a decent young player or two.

This is a remarkable sale, really. If the Spurs are ready to give him up to near-contending teams for protected picks, they'd be crazy not to jump in.

It should be a fair deal for both sides moving in different directions.

[Chinook]

mia and bos calling about him

Boston is 100 percent win-now they don't have the value to offer to add him to their core. Miami is interesting because of how old they are. I mean, they aren't interesting enough outside of a third team offering a premium for Herro, but I guess they add a floor.

[RC_Drunkford]

Murray is a very good player. I think we at ST over and under value the shit out of our players. Murray is really good and the NBA knows it.

our young core gets heavily underrated right now. It's actually very very good, it's just that none of them are franchise players (yet), but 2nd and 3rd options are definitely in that pool.

[CGD]

Yup. That would be the smart move. Not sell low to Atlanta, but start a bidding war with NY, Washington, and more... that's how you land a crazy offer.

Exactly. The only forcing mechanism right now seems to be Gallo’s deal. But that’s ATL’s problem.

I wonder if that’s why Fischer said Collins is back on the table. Honestly that guys value is on the floor (negative asset it feels), and not sure Spurs want to be saddled with trying to find a new home for him.

[slick'81]

Exactly. The only forcing mechanism right now seems to be Gallo’s deal. But that’s ATL’s problem.

I wonder if that’s why Fischer said Collins is back on the table. Honestly that guys value is on the floor (negative asset it feels), and not sure Spurs want to be saddled with trying to find a new home for him.


they dont because nobody is giving up draft capital for collins

[Degoat]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Hospey/status/1541940982433959937?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[slick'81]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Hospey/status/1541940982433959937?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

:lol
poor Dejounte in hiding

[Ariel]

Especially with how bad the free agency pool is this off-season, DJ would be the prized acquisition.
Yes. Bad offseason, and not a lot of perceived good options to upgrade teams, like Donovan Mitchell, for instance. Hopefully the FO is building momentum, and waiting for the right time. If we hold on, the right offer will come. No need to panic and sell low in a rush.

[mo7888]

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The Knicks would be a great landing spot for him.. Third would run him in the ground but if he can make it to FA they'll max him out.

[Ariel]

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My heart goes out to him. Can you imagine being traded to play basketball for a contender elsewhere while earning millions? Hang in there buddy, we're here for you.

[tbdog]

For players, I guess that's a fair argument...and I don't blame them for trying to maximize their value. If one team isn't willing to give you max dollars but another is, then go get paid.

That said, I think "market value" is putting a lot of teams in really shitty situations. There are guys like Kyrie, Leonard, Westbrook, Harden, Simmons, etc...getting paid max (or near-max) value for either not playing, or outright tanking their teams.

If I'm a GM, I'm not paying max value for a guy who isn't a top-15 player in the league, but obviously some do and live with the consequences.

Look at the nuggets. 2 Max contracts to two injured players and soon to be super max. Insane.

[John B]

mia and bos calling about him

Great. Let the highest bidder win. I don’t think DJ has a say where Spurs send him

[Twisted_Dawg]

Spurs are driving the price up. With all those teams interested, I'm pretty sure some team will overpay massively

About four years late, but PATFO finally learning to leverage other teams.

[RC_Drunkford]

A bunch of Knicks picks would actually make sense. Brunson and DJ won‘t
make them a contender, they should still be pretty bad

[Payote75]

I know it would be great to luck into Wemby but what's to keep this team from being good now. I would have liked to keep DJ and acquire Collins and sign Ayton or Bamba/Mitchell Robinson then use other pieces for picks and or cheaper assets.
Right there that's a very good team. However if your intent on trading Murray. Still no need to blow it up. Get Collins and Hunter or OO and a pick or two. They want to dump Collins anyway. Make the trade bigger.
Then go after Ayton or one of the other centers use poetrl mcnuggets Richardson Langford for other assets and or picks. We still have a good young team with those other young additions they can grow together and we have picks to add along with this years 3 picks plus maybe some udfa hidden talent. Why try to get 23 picks you will only stay in the rebuild longer.

Because when you hit on another player or two like murray or better then the guys you have now will be wanting money and it never ends. That's how you become the Kings.


Now looking at the warriors yes Steph is special but he is Bryant or lebron but they drafted those 3 then added around them and won again.
Lastly who knows if we make this team and God forbid after all the trade Ayton goes down for the season like robinson and we still get into the lottery. Just build on this youth man add Collins add a.center trade the older pieces. Not to mention if Collins balls out which is possible on the spurs his value could sky rocket.

[DAF86]

And the better center in Zollins.

If you are going to tank, you have to trade Collins.

[CGD]

A bunch of Knicks picks would actually make sense. Brunson and DJ won‘t
make them a contender, they should still be pretty bad

Yep, and the other team DJ won’t make appreciably better is Washington especially if they sign that loser Beal for that mega deal.

[Russ]

Do the Spurs think they're drafted a core and now they can move on from Dejounte Murray?

He's served his purpose?

Thanks for your service.

Keeping options open may be the better approach. At least until they see these guys in Summer League.

[CGD]

I know it would be great to luck into Wemby but what's to keep this team from being good now. I would have liked to keep DJ and acquire Collins and sign Ayton or Bamba/Mitchell Robinson then use other pieces for picks and or cheaper assets.
Right there that's a very good team. However if your intent on trading Murray. Still no need to blow it up. Get Collins and Hunter or OO and a pick or two. They want to dump Collins anyway. Make the trade bigger.
Then go after Ayton or one of the other centers use poetrl mcnuggets Richardson Langford for other assets and or picks. We still have a good young team with those other young additions they can grow together and we have picks to add along with this years 3 picks plus maybe some udfa hidden talent. Why try to get 23 picks you will only stay in the rebuild longer.

Because when you hit on another player or two like murray or better then the guys you have now will be wanting money and it never ends. That's how you become the Kings.


Now looking at the warriors yes Steph is special but he is Bryant or lebron but they drafted those 3 then added around them and won again.
Lastly who knows if we make this team and God forbid after all the trade Ayton goes down for the season like robinson and we still get into the lottery. Just build on this youth man add Collins add a.center trade the older pieces. Not to mention if Collins balls out which is possible on the spurs his value could sky rocket.

A part of me identifies with your view. One problem though is some of the young guys have to get paid soon too (Keldon this year and Vassell next), so there is the risk of being an expensive so-so team as opposed to a meh team but with flexibility

[CGD]

Do the Spurs think they're drafted a core and now they can move on from Dejounte Murray?

He's served his purpose?

Thanks for your service.

Keeping options open may be the better approach. At least until they see these guys in Summer League.

I feel this is where we’re heading: on to the next young core while getting as many assets from the last one.

You can see a world where White, DJ, and Jakob (Lonnie moves on for nothing) nets the Spurs about 7-9 FRPs when it’s all said and told.

[John B]

Do the Spurs think they're drafted a core and now they can move on from Dejounte Murray?

He's served his purpose?

Thanks for your service.

Keeping options open may be the better approach. At least until they see these guys in Summer League.

I think the Spurs would keep him if he’s staying. But I think DJ leaves anything less than Max. And DJ is NOT a max player.

[Ice009]

mia and bos calling about him

lol. No way would I deal with Boston. They have no picks I'd be interested in, and they didn't make a legit offer for Kawhi. I'd say we're only interested in Brown, and then I'd hang up the phone.

[Ice009]

Why can we only edit messages within 1 minute? Is that due to site activity, or is it something permanent going forward?

[Leetonidas]

I wonder what promising young player the Knicks are offering along with those picks

[offset formation]

A part of me identifies with your view. One problem though is some of the young guys have to get paid soon too (Keldon this year and Vassell next), so there is the risk of being an expensive so-so team as opposed to a meh team but with flexibility

I posted on that very topic the other day. It's gonna get very expensive really quickly if we try to re-sign DJ, after extending Johnson, Poeltl, Vassell, then Primo (if he ever develops as PATFO is forecasting, then Sochan, Brenham.

I know that's what these guys do for a living but I'd hate to have to manage assets 3 and 4 years down the road, especially in an era post Big Three when you can't count on these guys signing team friendly contracts to keep everyone together. And again, it would be a nice problem to have to have so many players needing pay raises, but still, I can already forsee a potential log jam come 4 years down the road.

And it's something that PATFO, see R.C, always handled well until the end of the Duncan era. But in the transition period to Wright, we royally fucked up multiple contracts and just finished paying off Demarre Carroll to hopefully put that debacle of a run behind us. But man did their mishandling of that help expedite this team's purgatory phase we're currently living through.

Not sure how much would have been different had neph stuck to the plan, so really that's who I really blame for these last 4 or 5 years.

[exstatic]

Alright, that's fair...but I can also see why that gives the Spurs, in particular, a reason to be reluctant to work with Klutch going forward. And the fact that our two best players right now (Murray and Johnson) are rep'd by them is not great

Murray has been with Klutch since day one, and already signed a new deal with us while repped by them. KJ switched pretty quickly into his rookie deal.

[slick'81]

Murray has been with Klutch since day one, and already signed a new deal with us while repped by them. KJ switched pretty quickly into his rookie deal.


for real whats next? Move kj quickly :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

I posted on that very topic the other day. It's gonna get very expensive really quickly if we try to re-sign DJ, after extending Johnson, Poeltl, Vassell, then Primo (if he ever develops as PATFO is forecasting, then Sochan, Brenham.

I know that's what these guys do for a living but I'd hate to have to manage assets 3 and 4 years down the road, especially in an era post Big Three when you can't count on these guys signing team friendly contracts to keep everyone together. And again, it would be a nice problem to have to have so many players needing pay raises, but still, I can already forsee a potential log jam come 4 years down the road.

And it's something that PATFO, see R.C, always handled well until the end of the Duncan era. But in the transition period to Wright, we royally fucked up multiple contracts and just finished paying off Demarre Carroll to hopefully put that debacle of a run behind us. But man did their mishandling of that help expedite this team's purgatory phase we're currently living through.

Not sure how much would have been different had neph stuck to the plan, so really that's who I really blame for these last 4 or 5 years.

no it's not. Spurs got 32 million in cap space, can open up another 31 million by moving McDermott, Richardson and Langford and have almost an entire bench unit on rookie deals. They could easily add an Ayton and even a John Collins while having DJ on his contract for another 2 years. Proceed to pay Keldon on his first extension then in 2024 extend Murray and Vassell and just trade someone like John Collins away having 2 years left on his deal and start Sochan. Pay Primo in 2025. Things would start to get tricky in 2026, but by then they should know what to do. Most of our players coming off of rookie deals will get their first extension which is a contract like the one Murray is on now, so those a great value deals. Cap space is one thing the Spurs don't have to worry about for a while.

[RC_Drunkford]

for real whats next? Move kj quickly :lol

that will be the talk next year

[Mr. Body]

I wonder what promising young player the Knicks are offering along with those picks

Obi Toppin had an intriguing year, but I wouldn't take him. That's it.

[Mr. Body]

for real whats next? Move kj quickly :lol

Yes. If DJM is gone this summer, they'll start dumping Keldon and Vassell. We're turning into the Florida Marlins churning players after they get good.

[RC_Drunkford]

I know it would be great to luck into Wemby but what's to keep this team from being good now. I would have liked to keep DJ and acquire Collins and sign Ayton or Bamba/Mitchell Robinson then use other pieces for picks and or cheaper assets.


that would've been my approach too with Ayton, OG and John Collins at the top of my list, but the Spurs would never ever be that aggressive on the trade and free agency market. I don't think they ever were. If they keep DJ around it's most likely the same thing we did last season. If they trade him they absolutely need to tank, makes no sense to reload the roster then.

[slick'81]

Yes. If DJM is gone this summer, they'll start dumping Keldon and Vassell. We're turning into the Florida Marlins churning players after they get good.


:wow

[Ariel]

There's a 95% chance Brunson signs with the Knicks. But in the unlikely event he doesn't, the Knicks will be desperate to shrug the embarrassment off as quickly as possible, and DM would be the perfect plan B. They might be willing to part with the MSG, if need be. Fingers crossed.

[Ariel]

Yes. If DJM is gone this summer, they'll start dumping Keldon and Vassell. We're turning into the Florida Marlins churning players after they get good.
No. If DM is gone, Poeltl and Richardson are next, not Keldon and Vassell.

[Mr. Body]

No. If DM is gone, Poeltl and Richardson are next, not Keldon and Vassell.

Of course, but I mean of the Spurs' own draft picks.

[RC_Drunkford]

There's a 95% chance Brunson signs with the Knicks. But in the unlikely event he doesn't, the Knicks will be desperate to shrug the embarrassment off as quickly as possible, and DM would be the perfect plan B. They might be willing to part with the MSG, if need be. Fingers crossed.

Knicks just traded Noel and Burks to the Pistons so I'm pretty sure he's signing there. They could still be in play to add Murray though, they have interested in pairing them together

[Payote75]

But if done right someone like Collins let's say in 3 or 4 years when his contract expires we can trade him before hoping Sochan has developed. If your not going to pay core players i hate to say it but we will never have a big 3 or big anything because we small market and times are different in free agency. I know the warriors are an outlier but to field and long last good to great team you need to spend and go over the threshold by more than you used to or you will always be stuck in limbo land unless you hit on 2 or 3 superstars with your 3 picks this year but that's like lightening in a bottle. I see all points of view and if we aren't going for the gusto at least field the best team you can when you have the chance. Can't watch shitty basketball year after year.
Typically if you trade for Collins keep murray sign Ayton or one of the centers your at least growing a nucleous with maybe replacing one player at any given time like Keldon when he is up you have next guy up. I don't agree with this way of rebuilding if that's what they are doing. You will run into the same issues every couple years assuming you even hit on these picks.

[Ariel]

Knicks just traded Noel and Burks to the Pistons so I'm pretty sure he's signing there. They could still be in play to add Murray though, they have interested in pairing them together
Sure, which is why I said 95% sure... and I agree, DM should still be strongly considered regardless, I'm just talking about the level of desperation the Knicks would fall into, in the admittedly unlikely event it doesn't come to fruition.

[mo7888]

Knicks just traded Noel and Burks to the Pistons so I'm pretty sure he's signing there. They could still be in play to add Murray though, they have interested in pairing them together

I'd like the Knicks pucks better than Atlanta's myself...I do wonder if they use their cap space on Brunson then what do we have to take in salary to do it? Fournier(3yrs) or Randle (4yrs)?

[Payote75]

It still makes sense depending on what you have and if you are reloading with 23 and 24 year old then a primo vassell Keldon is way fine. If your going to go the penny pinch draft way you need to have next man up so they need to continue that.they will never form a super team through FA.
It's so annoying to watch others get it right and we we are always a day late and a dollar short last 6 years.

[wildbill2u]

Try telling that to the fringe All-Stars. Everybody out there trying to grab their bag whether they deserve it or not...and the Spurs are especially susceptible being in a small-market.

I know DJ has been all about team and Spurs culture and what not...but IF he is still a Spur when extension time comes, we'll see if he walks the walk. Tim, Tony, Manu...all those guys took lesser deals to keep the team together and stay competitive.

Will Murray follow suit, or milk that cash cow for all it is worth?

Those Big 3 guys knew they had something going for the long term here in SA, especially after Tim turned down the Orlando deal. DJ knows he has nothing going here for a ring unless a miracle occurs. If he has a chance to ring by going to another team, God Bless him for all he's given us and God Speed wherever he goes. I think the team would do right by him in a trade to a contender. "Cause that's who the Spurs are."

[RC_Drunkford]

I'd like the Knicks pucks better than Atlanta's myself...I do wonder if they use their cap space on Brunson then what do we have to take in salary to do it? Fournier(3yrs) or Randle (4yrs)?

yup one of them

[mo7888]

yup one of them

If we did that I might try and flip him + McDermott to the lakers for Westbrook and an unprotected future 1st (2026) and clear Westbrook's salary next summer.

[BatManu20]

Dejounte to the Knicks confirmed.


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[objective]

Knicks got off that money cheap

OKC got a future top 5 protected first for 1 year 8 million of JaMychal Green

[cjw]

If we did that I might try and flip him + McDermott to the lakers for Westbrook and an unprotected future 1st (2026) and clear Westbrook's salary next summer.

This is tremendously valuable for the Lakers - they get off a guy they can’t play and that they can’t trade (to anyone but pretty much the Spurs given cap) for two potential rotation pieces with Lebron & Davis.

I need a pick swap too on top of that 2026 unprotected. It’s literally their only shot to salvage anything with Lebron.

[mo7888]

This is tremendously valuable for the Lakers - they get off a guy they can’t play and that they can’t trade (to anyone but pretty much the Spurs given cap) for two potential rotation pieces with Lebron & Davis.

I need a pick swap too on top of that 2026 unprotected. It’s literally their only shot to salvage anything with Lebron.

I'm good with that..

[mo7888]

Knicks got off that money cheap

OKC got a future top 5 protected first for 1 year 8 million of JaMychal Green

I think I read that Detroit actually values those guys and wanted their presence with the young guys..

[Mr. Body]

I think I read that Detroit actually values those guys and wanted their presence with the young guys..

Noel still has value and I think Burcks can still play, yeah.

[MannyIsGod]

I honestly don't know why anyone here wouldn't understand what the Spurs are doing. No one on this team is untradeable. That is pretty much the bottom line. During the big 3 era, if anyone had called the Spurs asking for any of those 3, the Spurs promptly hang up. But we have no one of that caliber on this team currently. I am immensely overjoyed watching DJM become what he is and I think a lot of people here sold him short for a long time, but in the end he is not a first option and on a title team he's probably not a 2nd option. That is the bottom line. And if you have a player that isn't someone you think you can build around, and you can get a gigantic haul of assets for him as opposed to overpaying him on a contract, then it makes perfect sense to do this. I don't think the Spurs want to do a true tank, but the haul they get for DJM may make it the obvious choice.

Its also possible that they take a completely opposite path and go after Ayton or Lavine but it definitely seems like in the meantime they're going to listen to offers for DJM and if the package is good enough they won't wait to see whats possible in free agency. Thats how I read this and I think its pretty hard to read it any other way.

[Mr. Body]

I honestly don't know why anyone here wouldn't understand what the Spurs are doing. No one on this team is untradeable. That is pretty much the bottom line. During the big 3 era, if anyone had called the Spurs asking for any of those 3, the Spurs promptly hang up. But we have no one of that caliber on this team currently. I am immensely overjoyed watching DJM become what he is and I think a lot of people here sold him short for a long time, but in the end he is not a first option and on a title team he's probably not a 2nd option. That is the bottom line. And if you have a player that isn't someone you think you can build around, and you can get a gigantic haul of assets for him as opposed to overpaying him on a contract, then it makes perfect sense to do this. I don't think the Spurs want to do a true tank, but the haul they get for DJM may make it the obvious choice.

Its also possible that they take a completely opposite path and go after Ayton or Lavine but it definitely seems like in the meantime they're going to listen to offers for DJM and if the package is good enough they won't wait to see whats possible in free agency. Thats how I read this and I think its pretty hard to read it any other way.

I think literally everybody understands this.

[MannyIsGod]

I think literally everybody understands this.

Then you obviously haven't been reading the thread.

[MultiTroll]

I heard the Spurs might keep DJ and they might trade him.

[DPG21920]

Again, imo, if things were truly close heading into draft I don’t see how it doesn’t get done honestly. The calls and interest are coming and teams won’t miss out on getting a young all star over pick protections.

Someone will cave (just my 2c)

[mo7888]

I heard the Spurs might keep DJ and they might trade him.

I heard otherwise...

[slick'81]

Again, imo, if things were truly close heading into draft I don’t see how it doesn’t get done honestly. The calls and interest are coming and teams won’t miss out on getting a young all star over pick protections.

Someone will cave (just my 2c)


if the spurs get the protections they want on those picks sure.

[Mr. Body]

Then you obviously haven't been reading the thread.

Lol, you're chiding and scolding vapors, fella. No one's said what you think they've said.

[Payote75]

I think literally everybody understands this.

Not only do we get it but taking it even further ....yes if someone had called for a trade during the big 3 era we would have hung up but that's just for Duncan really. We didn't really know what we had in Parker and Manu. We had to let them play then add pieces around them but until they came into there own pop was abusing Parker constantly and even Manu. So while we understand what's going on what good is it to continue to amass young talent then dump it once it does develop. I think we have enough to withstand a DJ trade but get assets to add and maybe a pick 4 picks and it's just a repetitive cycle. Also money was a lot different then these contracts today are nuts and the Spurs don't seem to want to spend like they used to or at least not yet.

they also botched shit up when most of us were clamoring to trade LA and DD when their value was still high we could have had one of these current stars on oThe teams to go along with DJ but we over played our hand and instead handed out loyalty contracts to gasol or a puzzling signing of Carroll. You have a core right now that you the front office and coaches are saying how Vassell and Primo are absolutely shining and honed in on their weaknesses this off season and been fantastic you have DJ you have Keldon you have assets to draft future piece you have assets to trade older assets for more cap and picks and you have boat load of cap space. It doesn't take a genius.

If if you want to trade DJ fine but add to the existing young core mix in a pick or two but still do the other moves. The Warriors did it the Spurs way with there core 3 but they did it by basically ahnilialating the threshold then retooled around the core 3 and they were able to do it because money was no object. I don't expect that from the Spurs which is why they should go with a mix of this core and other young talent.

[MannyIsGod]

Lol, you're chiding and scolding vapors, fella. No one's said what you think they've said.

Do you exist just to be annoying? Are you this insufferable in real life? You know you don't have to reply right? You can just sit there and not say shit rather than be antagonistic at every turn just to seem smart in a place that I don't think anyone considers you smart.

[MannyIsGod]

Again, imo, if things were truly close heading into draft I don’t see how it doesn’t get done honestly. The calls and interest are coming and teams won’t miss out on getting a young all star over pick protections.

Someone will cave (just my 2c)

Especially once free agency starts drying up. With there not being many good all star caliber players out there and the NBA being as wide open as its ever been, yeah, I think some team will eventually want to give up what the Spurs want. But are the Spurs just going to sit on their hands at the start of free agency and wait? If they've decided to do a true tank then I think thats obviously yes, but it would surprise me if thats the choice they made at this point (then again I was surprised to see these rumors were true soooo).

[John B]

Well will know by Thursday, won’t we?

If you ask me, I’d swap Murray with Simmons and maybe add fillers like J-Rich/McDermont. Let Simmons revive his career in San Antonio, then get Turner or Ayton.

[John B]

Morey could’ve had Murray than Harden. I think either team would like Murray as a young defensive who can help facilitate.

[Dejounte]

Well will know by Thursday, won’t we?

If you ask me, I’d swap Murray with Simmons and maybe add fillers like J-Rich/McDermont. Let Simmons revive his career in San Antonio, then get Turner or Ayton.

Thank God you are not in charge of anything

[John B]

Thank God you are not in charge of anything

:lmao Well that’s just my take. For now everybody’s just speculating. So that’s that :lol

[rastaspur]

Well will know by Thursday, won’t we?

If you ask me, I’d swap Murray with Simmons and maybe add fillers like J-Rich/McDermont. Let Simmons revive his career in San Antonio, then get Turner or Ayton.

http://dirt.umkc.edu/files/Bilbordlse.htm

[John B]

http://dirt.umkc.edu/files/Bilbordlse.htm

:rolleyes

[Kurik]

How many posts can John B fit on one page?

[Dejounte]

How many posts can John B fit on one page?

If you bring up Johnny Davis and ask him how much he wants to trade DJ, the answer is 999.

[The Janitor]

Is it just me or is this trade talk insane? Why spend 6 years developing a guy at the most difficult position in the NBA, get him to All-Star level on a great contract with 2 years left, then trade him and reset everything just as your team is improving and has a ton of great young players you've developed? Trading Dejounte would be going to full tank mode, and then you have to say to the guys you've spent all this time not tanking with, now we want you to lose. Or you haver to trade them. None of that makes a bit of sense to me.

What I saw from the SPurs last season was improvement but an inability to finish games because we didn't have a #1 scoring option any more - Dejounte is a fine #2/3, but he's not a #1. And given that, seems to me you prioritise getting that #1 guy by sending out some assets other than Dejounte and seeing just how good the team can be.

[John B]

How many posts can John B fit on one page?

:lol

[John B]

I have a feeling that DJM was told that the Spurs will go on rebuild through draft and not going to sign any big names, and he wants out. The Spurs are going to get as much FRP’s unprotected for him and roll with 2023 draft which promises to be deep.

Personally they should’ve done this 5 years ago. We’ll soon all find out. But I got a feeling we’re rolling with the same guys folks :depressed:depressed:depressed

[John B]

Is it just me or is this trade talk insane? Why spend 6 years developing a guy at the most difficult position in the NBA, get him to All-Star level on a great contract with 2 years left, then trade him and reset everything just as your team is improving and has a ton of great young players you've developed? Trading Dejounte would be going to full tank mode, and then you have to say to the guys you've spent all this time not tanking with, now we want you to lose. Or you haver to trade them. None of that makes a bit of sense to me.

What I saw from the SPurs last season was improvement but an inability to finish games because we didn't have a #1 scoring option any more - Dejounte is a fine #2/3, but he's not a #1. And given that, seems to me you prioritise getting that #1 guy by sending out some assets other than Dejounte and seeing just how good the team can be.

Because DJ is not worth the Max contract, but can get 4 FRP’s possibly minimal protection that could reset. I think Primo is being groomed and Spurs will follow his timeline.

[John B]

So Lonnie is staying unless he gets a ridiculous offer.

[slick'81]

If you bring up Johnny Davis and ask him how much he wants to trade DJ, the answer is 999.

ill take the over:lol and dont get him started on poodle

[John B]

Freaking sucks. Well ST will get its wish.
Primo, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Zollins
Poeltl should be traded soon.
That should guarantee a top 3 pick

[The Janitor]

Yeah, so we wait another 3 years for Primo to even approach Dejounte (is Primo even a PG?), by which time all the guys you've just spent 3 years developing are on expensive contracts or gone. What is the point? This would be getting half way to where you want to be then going back to square one.

[poopbox]

Again, imo, if things were truly close heading into draft I don’t see how it doesn’t get done honestly. The calls and interest are coming and teams won’t miss out on getting a young all star over pick protections.

Someone will cave (just my 2c)

Don't think it's a question of caving, who even has 4 1st round no to lightly protected picks to give? Only two teams I can think of is OKC and Houston, so if they are not involved then I don't know where a team would get those picks from. And they won't be involved cause both are trying to out tank the spurs.

I also haven't seen anything for years as far as the draft picks go. If they want all 4 of those picks to be within the next 2 years then pretty much impossible if you don't get okc or houston involved.

[The Janitor]

And btw, there is absolutely no "guarantee" of anything in the draft any more - a full tank gets you a 14% chance at #1. Whoop-di-do-dah.

[jiggy_55]

IF the spurs are giving serious consideration to trading Dejounte, I have no problem with that but they've got to leverage the situation to the best of their abilities and get the maximum return. We are under no pressure to trade Dejounte now, not with him having 2 more years on his contract. We can still trade him from now until next summer and not lose much if any leverage at all. So I hope they are doing their best to get a ransom from whichever teams are interested, and there should be quite a few. The Hawks don't attract me much as a fan because they project to be decent and have no super young players or expected lottery draft picks that would make a deal a no brainer. Other thank Okongwu there is nothing to excite the Spurs there, and even Okongwu while a beast on defense and highly athletic, isn't your so called modern day big man who can shoot or spread the floor. Even if ATL offered unprotected first round picks they would project to be in the 15-20 range, if not more. This would apply to most teams who might be interested in Dejounte as he should improve any team he goes to such as Minnesota, NYK, Washington, etc... This means the best possible deals might come from a 3-way deal where the spurs can get a better treasure of assets.

Finally, if we do trade Dejounte then I see no reason to keep the likes of Poeltl, J-rich, or even McDermott and they should be traded before the season starts too. Play the young guys (Primo, Tre, Vassell, Keldon, Sochan, Branham, Wesley, Jock, Collins, and any young guys acquired via the other trades) and let them gain experience, and in the meantime lose a bunch of games and try to get a few top picks in 2023 via the trades and Spurs own first round pick.

[Fireball]

i have not followed the discussion around the Murray trade rumors ... but with so many failed star combos in the NBA how do Young/Murray play together effectively?

[Dejounte]

Heres what the insider on the Hawks board has to say

https://i.ibb.co/r7fqC3T/6-D1758-C5-85-F8-48-F7-A82-A-3-A8-DA1149-B5-E.png

[AFBlue]

Heres what the insider on the Hawks board has to say

https://i.ibb.co/r7fqC3T/6-D1758-C5-85-F8-48-F7-A82-A-3-A8-DA1149-B5-E.png

Good. Love that the Spurs are unrelenting in their demands and building up the bidding war. Should come to a head soon,.as I'm sure they want to have a direction by the start of free agency.

[exstatic]

So Lonnie is staying unless he gets a ridiculous offer.

No? Where on earth did you get that thought? They LITERALLY just drafted not one, but TWO replacements for his timid ass.

[exstatic]

i have not followed the discussion around the Murray trade rumors ... but with so many failed star combos in the NBA how do Young/Murray play together effectively?

Not our problem, and frankly, I don’t care if it implodes.

[KingKev]

Heres what the insider on the Hawks board has to say

https://i.ibb.co/r7fqC3T/6-D1758-C5-85-F8-48-F7-A82-A-3-A8-DA1149-B5-E.png

Haha it actually sounds like he and Spurstalk are in agreement; not happening unless a massive overpay.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Doesn't seem like this Hawks insider knows anything, he sounds butthurt that someone with legit sources - timvp - has actual information.

[Dverde]

Heres what the insider on the Hawks board has to say

https://i.ibb.co/r7fqC3T/6-D1758-C5-85-F8-48-F7-A82-A-3-A8-DA1149-B5-E.png

Well 1 and 2 are correct. DJ would make them title contenders if they only had to give up Danilo.

[Dex]

Knicks just traded Noel and Burks to the Pistons so I'm pretty sure he's signing there. They could still be in play to add Murray though, they have interested in pairing them together

Knicks also have like 8 FRPs up for grabs, and they are probably more valuable than Atlanta's because even with Brunson and Murray, Knicks gonna Knick.

They could be that "other EC team" that timvp was talking about

[Dex]

Well 1 and 2 are correct. DJ would make them title contenders if they only had to give up Danilo.

I still don't see Trae and DJ as a great pairing...both are ball dominant and opposing teams will just pack the paint and let them try to win from three

[Dex]

And btw, there is absolutely no "guarantee" of anything in the draft any more - a full tank gets you a 14% chance at #1. Whoop-di-do-dah.

THIS!

If you're tanking for a single guy (Wembanyama) that requires a #1 pick, prepare for disappointment.

Just to remind people, Spurs had like a 20% chance of moving into the top 4 this year...and in the end, we still ended up at #9.

[Ignazzz]

THIS!

If you're tanking for a single guy (Wembanyama) that requires a #1 pick, prepare for disappointment.

Just to remind people, Spurs had like a 20% chance of moving into the top 4 this year...and in the end, we still ended up at #9.

top 6 is really good

[Dex]

top 6 is really good

True, it's definitely better than being in the late lottery....but everyone seems to have their sights set on one guy. A lot of cards have to fall right to get there.

[CGD]

Knicks also have like 8 FRPs up for grabs, and they are probably more valuable than Atlanta's because even with Brunson and Murray, Knicks gonna Knick.

They could be that "other EC team" that timvp was talking about

It’d likely have to be a Derrick Rose and picks for DJ swap after the various housekeeping trades Knicks did today. Wild to think Rose only makes 2M less than DJ next year.

[mo7888]

It’d likely have to be a Derrick Rose and picks for DJ swap after the various housekeeping trades Knicks did today. Wild to think Rose only makes 2M less than DJ next year.

I think Fournier is more likely since thibbs loves him some Derrick Rose so much...

[Dex]

I think Fournier is more likely since thibbs loves him some Derrick Rose so much...

I'd be cool with Fournier...he always seemed like a Spursy guy, and is also not the kind of talent that would derail a rebuild. Would be a good vet to have around the young guys, too

[mo7888]

I'd be cool with Fournier...he always seemed like a Spursy guy, and is also not the kind of talent that would derail a rebuild. Would be a good vet to have around the young guys, too

Yep...he also might be tradeable at the deadline to a contender....or we could package him with Doug and maybe Richardson for Westbrook to clear salary for next summer if need be..

[CGD]

I think Fournier is more likely since thibbs loves him some Derrick Rose so much...

Not a fan, but just saw his last year is a team option. So that’s 36M over two years. Not ideal, but could grease the wheels for more assets coming back.

[Degoat]

Browsing the hawks fan site, as a spurs fan what the hawks team is, is exactly what we DO NOT want to be lmao they’re considering giving up years of draft capital to be at best a 5th seed in the East and probably lose to the 4th seed in the 1st round ever year.

[Excessive Egotist]

Knicks also have like 8 FRPs up for grabs, and they are probably more valuable than Atlanta's because even with Brunson and Murray, Knicks gonna Knick.

They could be that "other EC team" that timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) was talking about

Relative to Knicks, I'd bet we come away with Toppin, Reddish, and 4 FRPs. Not sure if Reddish or Toppin are any good, but if they stink fine. Lock in those top four lottery odds. If they produce, we can move them for additional assets or, wildly, just keep them and let them play.

[mo7888]

Not a fan, but just saw his last year is a team option. So that’s 36M over two years. Not ideal, but could grease the wheels for more assets coming back.

As long as the player isn't a licker room pariah I doubt we care which it is...he's just salary ballast that we can hopefully leverage in a future deal.... I can envision Rose, Fournier, or Randle being leveraged in a future trade....I think Fournier is the best locker room fit though... probably a better influence on the young guys..

[mo7888]

Browsing the hawks fan site, as a spurs fan what the hawks team is, is exactly what we DO NOT want to be lmao they’re considering giving up years of draft capital to be at best a 5th seed in the East and probably lose to the 4th seed in the 1st round ever year.

If they think this trade gets them to the 5th seed then they're doing it....I think they are being wildly optimistic though...I wouldn't bet on them making the playoffs..

[rjv]

:lmao Well that’s just my take. For now everybody’s just speculating. So that’s that :lol

yeah, ST gets real weird around trade time. like everyone is on shrooms. then everyone sobers up when nothing happens.

[Degoat]

If they think this trade gets them to the 5th seed then they're doing it....I think they are being wildly optimistic though...I wouldn't bet on them making the playoffs..

True now that I think about you’re right! Lmao they wouldn’t be better than the Celtics, 76ers, Bucks, Nets, Heat, Raptors, Bulls, probably not even the Cavs

[John B]

yeah, ST gets real weird around trade time. like everyone is on shrooms. then everyone sobers up when nothing happens.

I know some gets really sensitive and gets upset when you don’t share their views :oops

[rjv]

Knicks also have like 8 FRPs up for grabs, and they are probably more valuable than Atlanta's because even with Brunson and Murray, Knicks gonna Knick.

They could be that "other EC team" that timvp (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=8) was talking about

i think the knicks just gave the pistons back their 2023 FRP so that takes some value away because that would have been a great trade asset for the knicks.

[mo7888]

True now that I think about you’re right! Lmao they wouldn’t be better than the Celtics, 76ers, Bucks, Nets, Heat, Raptors, Bulls, probably not even the Cavs

They'll be fighting with Charlotte and Washington for the 9th and 10th seed...

[Dex]

yeah, ST gets real weird around trade time. like everyone is on shrooms. then everyone sobers up when nothing happens.

Hey, what else do we have to talk about? Baseball? Golf?

[BillMc]

Hey, what else do we have to talk about? Baseball? Golf?

Girls? Cars? How the Knicks will screw up again?

[John B]

Girls? Cars? How the Knicks will screw up again?

Or we can talk about Westbrick opting in on his 47.1 mil deal :lmao

[Dex]

Or we can talk about Westbrick opting in on his 47.1 mil deal :lmao

And the Lakers thought they were get Kyrie for $6M :lmao

[exstatic]

Relative to Knicks, I'd bet we come away with Toppin, Reddish, and 4 FRPs. Not sure if Reddish or Toppin are any good, but if they stink fine. Lock in those top four lottery odds. If they produce, we can move them for additional assets or, wildly, just keep them and let them play.

Toppin is large sized Lonnie, a guy who is athletic as hell, and has little clue what to do on the court. Reddish is pure trash.

[mo7888]

And the Lakers thought they were get Kyrie for $6M :lmao

They can get Lonnie for $6m...

[John B]

They can get Lonnie for $6m...

They might. Tbh Lonnie’s occasional highlight reels sell tickets, if you don’t mind losing :lol

[KingKev]

They can get Lonnie for $6m...

Their tax payer exception likely goes to Monk.

[rjv]

and yet not a peep from woj or shams, just a lot of recycled tweets and speculation.

[mo7888]

Their tax payer exception likely goes to Monk.

I was half way making a joke...although Monk might get more elsewhere...

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

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[BillMc]

Or we can talk about Westbrick opting in on his 47.1 mil deal :lmao


And the Lakers thought they were get Kyrie for $6M :lmao
:lol

[rjv]

LOL at LAL

[John B]

1542117337188507649

Wiz don’t need Davis if they get DJ :lol And they remain a bad team. Let’s go BW

[CGD]

1542117337188507649

I dont understand how ATL with Gallo is capable of putting something together, but Washington is not.

[scott]

Wiz don’t need Davis if they get DJ :lol And they remain a bad team. Let’s go BW

At some point you’re gonna hafta move on from Johnny Davis

[Mr. Body]

Spurs don't need Davis now that they drafted Branham and Wesley.

[Ariel]

I dont understand how ATL with Gallo is capable of putting something together, but Washington is not.
It's more like we WON'T part with what it would take and we CAN'T make it work without it. But in a vacuum, both WAS and NY have what it takes and then some.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I dont understand how ATL with Gallo is capable of putting something together, but Washington is not.

Because Atlanta have all of their picks and young players that Spurs like, whereas Washington don’t have neither the players, nor control over their pick until 2026.

Gallo is just contract ballast. The player doesn’t matter.

[John B]

At some point you’re gonna hafta move on from Johnny Davis

:lol

[paperboy77]

our young core gets heavily underrated right now. It's actually very very good, it's just that none of them are franchise players (yet), but 2nd and 3rd options are definitely in that pool.

Oh well... Let's make the best of it. I hate to admit it but if the Spurs had a feeling DJ wasn't going to stick after his 2 years were up, this was the best possible move.