***** Official All-Inclusive 2022 Election Night Thread *****

[Will Hunting]

well prior to her taking office, that had been an easy republican seat for a long time. she took over in an easy cycle, Trump's 2018 midterm. holding the seat in 2020 was also not surprising given it was a general election and trump was massively unpopular. but holding it during Biden's midterm is quite impressive given that district's electoral history
Yeah I was agreeing with you.

The California Dems cratered this year, largely thanks to Newsom spending more time on his Florida vanity project than actually campaigning.

The other CA Dem who performed very well is Josh Harder. He did as well as Biden did in his district despite the Central Valley/Highway 99 districts having totally abysmal turnout from Dems.

[Will Hunting]

Wait even Lauren Bobert ended up winning???



:lmao
She won a Trump +8 district by <1000 votes against a candidate who didn't have any money

Go ahead and pretend you were expecting Trump +8% incumbents to lose in a "red wave" year if that makes you feel better :lol

[daboom1]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mw3IiyXZJds


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https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1593675506712338432?s=20

Hold this L faggot :lol

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1593701514991788039?s=20

Savage :lol

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1593701514991788039?s=20

Savage :lol:lol Qhris doesn't understand words.

[baseline bum]

Wait even Lauren Bobert ended up winning???



:lmao

Very impressive of her to win by two tenths of a percent in a district she was supposed to win by 20 points.

[baseline bum]

Katie Porter continuing to carry Orange County is pretty spectacular tbh

Should have done like Cosmic is always suggesting and run a Republican Light. Don't know where we would have been without Charlie Crist's epic showing in Florida.

[HemisfairArena]

Should have done like Cosmic is always suggesting and run a Republican Light. Don't know where we would have been without Charlie Crist's epic showing in Florida.

You democrats are to stupid to do that,,,youre radicalized and will never run a republican light,,,you already hate Manchin which is a republican light,,,,

[daboom1]

BREAKING: Cochise County BOS just motioned to table the certification of the election until November 28th, when they expect to review all evidence of the proof of legal certification by the accredited Election Assistance Commission labs to use the tabulation machines. This now establishes precedent to do the same in other counties now that Cochise County is validating their results. Arizona cannot certify any election results until all counties have rendered certified results.

https://truthsocial.com/users/realmarkfinchem/statuses/109368472535229158

[ChumpDumper]

BREAKING: Cochise County BOS just motioned to table the certification of the election until November 28th, when they expect to review all evidence of the proof of legal certification by the accredited Election Assistance Commission labs to use the tabulation machines. This now establishes precedent to do the same in other counties now that Cochise County is validating their results. Arizona cannot certify any election results until all counties have rendered certified results.

https://truthsocial.com/users/realmarkfinchem/statuses/109368472535229158

:lmao

[Will Hunting]

BREAKING: Cochise County BOS just motioned to table the certification of the election until November 28th, when they expect to review all evidence of the proof of legal certification by the accredited Election Assistance Commission labs to use the tabulation machines. This now establishes precedent to do the same in other counties now that Cochise County is validating their results. Arizona cannot certify any election results until all counties have rendered certified results.

https://truthsocial.com/users/realmarkfinchem/statuses/109368472535229158
:lol so what? Hobbs will simply file a mandamus action and they’ll be compelled to certify.

[ElNono]

BREAKING: Cochise County BOS just motioned to table the certification of the election until November 28th, when they expect to review all evidence of the proof of legal certification by the accredited Election Assistance Commission labs to use the tabulation machines. This now establishes precedent to do the same in other counties now that Cochise County is validating their results. Arizona cannot certify any election results until all counties have rendered certified results.

https://truthsocial.com/users/realmarkfinchem/statuses/109368472535229158

PHOENIX (AP) — The board overseeing a southeastern Arizona county whose Republican leaders had hoped to recount all Election Day ballots on Friday delayed certifying the results of last week’s vote after hearing from a trio of conspiracy theorists who alleged that counting machines were not certified.

The three men, or some combination of them, have filed at least four cases raising similar claims before the Arizona Supreme Court since 2021 seeking to have the state’s 2020 election results thrown out. The court has dismissed all of them for lack of evidence, waiting too long after the election was certified or asking for relief that could not be granted, in increasingly harsh language.

But Tom Rice, Brian Steiner and Daniel Wood managed to persuade the two Republicans who control the Cochise County board of supervisors that their claims were valid enough for them to delay the certification until a Nov. 28 deadline.

They claimed the U.S. Elections Assistance Commission allowed certifications for testing companies to lapse, and that voided the certifications of vote tabulation equipment used across the state.

That came despite testimony from the state’s elections director that the machines and the testing company were indeed certified. “The equipment used in Cochise County is properly certified under both federal and state laws and requirements,” state Elections Director Kori Lorick told the board. “The claims that the SLI testing labs were not properly accredited are false.”

The move is the latest drama in the Republican-heavy county in recent weeks, which started when GOP board members Tom Crosby and Peggy Judd voted to have all the ballots in last week’s election counted by hand to determine if the machine counts were accurate.

Crosby also defended a lawsuit he and Judd filed against the county elections director earlier this week seeking to force the hand-count. They dropped the case against Lisa Marra on Wednesday. “If our presenters’ request is met by the proof that our machines are indeed legally and lawfully accredited, then indeed we should accept the results,” Crosby said. “However, if the machines have not been lawfully certificated, then the converse is also true. We canot vertify this election now.”

Crosby and Judd then voted to delay certification, with Crosby saying he believed Wood, Steiner and Rice needed to be provided proof since they were “the experts.” Democratic Supervisor Ann English was powerless to overrule them. The delay potentially jeopardizes state certification, set for Dec. 5, and at least one statewide recount.

Lorick issued a statement after the vote vowing legal action to force the board to accept the results. Under Arizona law the formal election canvass can’t be changed by the elected county boards — their only role is to accept the numbers as they are tallied by their elections departments. “If they fail to do so, the Secretary (of State) will use all available legal remedies to compel compliance with Arizona law and protect Cochise County voters’ rights to have their votes counted,” Lorick said.

https://www.azfamily.com/2022/11/19/cochise-county-board-delays-certifying-election-results/

tick tock

[ElNono]

You democrats are to stupid to do that,,,youre radicalized and will never run a republican light,,,you already hate Manchin which is a republican light,,,,

lol those tears

[Isitjustme?]

Should have done like Cosmic is always suggesting and run a Republican Light. Don't know where we would have been without Charlie Crist's epic showing in Florida.

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[Isitjustme?]

BREAKING: https://i.imgur.com/MtNW5d7_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium

[ElNono]

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This is disingenuous though... the Dem party has a much wider gamut than Blue dog vs Squad (both extremes are a minority).

That said, it should also be pointed out that only blue dogs like Manchin or Sinema had stood in the way of this administration. So while they might be slightly favored to win elections, they're also largely a detriment to the party.

[daboom1]

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[Isitjustme?]

This is disingenuous though... the Dem party has a much wider gamut than Blue dog vs Squad (both extremes are a minority).

That said, it should also be pointed out that only blue dogs like Manchin or Sinema had stood in the way of this administration. So while they might be slightly favored to win elections, they're also largely a detriment to the party.

Yeah, I agree overall just providing some balance. MAnchin is fine since its WV. Sinema is useless and should get destroyed in next primary. Dont need some contrarian centrist dickhead to win in AZ unlike WV. Dont know anyone who likes her at this point between lefties, normies, based on recent polling

[Winehole23]

Nonstop contempt for voters and popular sovereignty. Republicans in NC and WI voted to strip their respective governors of powers when Democrats won the elections. When Republicans lose, they just change the government to suit them.

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[Will Hunting]

Yeah, I agree overall just providing some balance. MAnchin is fine since its WV. Sinema is useless and should get destroyed in next primary. Dont need some contrarian centrist dickhead to win in AZ unlike WV. Dont know anyone who likes her at this point between lefties, normies, based on recent polling
She's underwater with independents, which just shows how stupid her brand of politics is. The entire point of her contrarianism is to win independents over, if she's not doing that then it destroys any case to be made for centrism.

[Winehole23]

Sore loser Republicans threaten the life of Maricopa supervisor Bill Gates.

https://twitter.com/FOX10Phoenix/status/1594345128625332225

[daboom1]

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[Will Hunting]

Sore loser Republicans threaten the life of Maricopa supervisor Bill Gates.

https://twitter.com/FOX10Phoenix/status/1594345128625332225
Bill Gates, who's also a Republican

[ChumpDumper]

yx-16-tBnlEHow does the AG certify elections, Qhris?

[Will Hunting]

How does the AG certify elections, Qhris?
Not even the AG, some lowly assistant AG :lmao

[ChumpDumper]

Not even the AG, some lowly assistant AG :lmao
https://colorsofindia.media/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/64734697-11448609-image-a-5_1668911712541.jpg
:rollin

[Will Hunting]

Oh shocker a fat bitch who's affiliated with the Federalist Society

I'm sure what she's doing isn't politically motivated at all!

[ChumpDumper]

I mean even if the board decides not to ignore her, they could just follow her instructions and send the response to her the same time they certify the results at the deadline.

[Will Hunting]

I mean even if the board decides not to ignore her, they could just follow her instructions and send the response to her the same time they certify the results at the deadline.
I'd rather they just ignore her :lol

It's pretty obvious that she's writing a letter and not filing a lawsuit because her boss told her she'd make his office look retarded if she did.

[Leetonidas]

https://colorsofindia.media/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/64734697-11448609-image-a-5_1668911712541.jpg
:rollin

Hater and Chris probably think she's sexy :lol

[baseline bum]

Not even the AG, some lowly assistant AG :lmao

Speaking of the AZ AG, Mayes finished up 510 votes on Hamadeh with all votes counted. :tu

[baseline bum]

Nonstop contempt for voters and popular sovereignty. Republicans in NC and WI voted to strip their respective governors of powers when Democrats won the elections. When Republicans lose, they just change the government to suit them.

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boutons wasn't wrong when he said the madness of the GOP was the central issue of our time a few years ago

[ElNono]

Bill Gates, who's also a Republican

But what about the MiCrOChIpS?

[Isitjustme?]

She's underwater with independents, which just shows how stupid her brand of politics is. The entire point of her contrarianism is to win independents over, if she's not doing that then it destroys any case to be made for centrism.
Yeah, she not making anyone happy (September 22 poll)
https://compote.slate.com/images/e4c4643c-7fae-44a8-9d9d-7d7ba366c5d1.jpeg?width=960

[Will Hunting]

Speaking of the AZ AG, Mayes finished up 510 votes on Hamadeh with all votes counted. :tu
:lmao that filthy Mudslime terrorist losing

[daboom1]

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[ElNono]

The split vote by the board of supervisors in Mohave County in northwest Arizona came with an explicit vow to certify the election on the Nov. 28 deadline. Members called it a political statement to show how upset they were with the issues in Maricopa County, home to Phoenix and about 60% of the the state's voters.

County boards do not have the legal right to either change the results provided by their elections officials or refuse to certify them. And Lorick wrote that if the certification is not received by the secretary of state by Dec. 5, all the Cochise County votes will go uncounted.
That would give a boost to Democrats up and down the ballot in tight state races, since some Republican candidates got as much as 60% of the vote in the county.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-11-21/2nd-arizona-county-delays-certifying-election-for-now

:lmao

[spurraider21]

8HvUmiVdX6Y
Democrats have both AZ senate seats and the governors mansion in Arizona. Here’s why that’s great news for republicans!

[ChumpDumper]

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This is the exact same fake news you posted yesterday, Qhris.

[baseline bum]

Democrats have both AZ senate seats and the governors mansion in Arizona. Here’s why that’s great news for republicans!

AG too

[ElNono]

AG too

They own ducks too

[GAustex]

Very impressive of her to win by two tenths of a percent in a district she was supposed to win by 20 points.
Take the L
But at least you covered

[baseline bum]

Take the L
But at least you covered

LOL red wave

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao that filthy Mudslime terrorist losing

Which state had a bigger blue wave tbh.... AZ or MI?

[Will Hunting]

Which state had a bigger blue wave tbh.... AZ or MI?
MI for sure; Gretch did better in 2022 than she did in 2018.

I wouldn't say Arizona had a "blue wave" when we went from 5-4 to 3-6 and didn't net gain any state leg seats.

The blue wave in Arizona comes in 2024 if Trump/Lake is at the top of the ticket.

[Millennial_Messiah]

MI for sure; Gretch did better in 2022 than she did in 2018.

I wouldn't say Arizona had a "blue wave" when we went from 5-4 to 3-6 and didn't net gain any state leg seats.

The blue wave in Arizona comes in 2024 if Trump/Lake is at the top of the ticket.
Not just Gretch but her two lackeys as well won by similar margins and Prop 3 which was even more of a big fight there than Whitmer, won by like 12-13% iirc. And all three purple House seats went blue in MI this cycle and John James almost lost a solidly pink to red seat. And the state legislature flipped blue for the first time so that state is about to get very blue like Connecticut or Washington State level of blue. Arizona will still be a swing state on the blue side of purple but I have a hard time seeing the GOP win any presidential or senate election in AZ for a long time with Hobbs and a Democrat AG and SoS as well.

[daboom1]

.@KariLake: "We're on a timeline. A very strict timeline when it comes to fighting this botched election, and they're dragging their feet. They don't want to give us the information, so we're asking the courts to force them."

https://truthsocial.com/users/KariLake/statuses/109394821383640653

[Leetonidas]

:lmao:lmao still crying

[ElNono]

:lmao:lmao still crying

Cry me a Lake :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Truth social is garbage just like the alpha edition of the ACA website in 2013

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fh0IatvWYAI44FL?format=jpg&name=small

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[Winehole23]

Mary Peltola is the first Dem to represent Alaska in the House for 50 years.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FiSs7yZWAAI6sFa?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Brazil]

:lol red wave

[Isitjustme?]

:lol red wave

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:lol

[Winehole23]

GA reinstates 6 week abortion ban and early voting for the next week's runoff election.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-supreme-court-allows-early-voting-this-saturday-us-senate-runoff-election

[FrostKing]

https://i.ibb.co/7WQ853f/Screenshot-20221124-150147-Chrome.jpg

:wow

[DMC]

https://i.ibb.co/7WQ853f/Screenshot-20221124-150147-Chrome.jpg

:wow

This has been debunked (the concept that land mass = number of votes). According to the color %, Republicans dominate California, Oregon and Washington.

[ElNono]

https://i.ibb.co/7WQ853f/Screenshot-20221124-150147-Chrome.jpg

:wow

Now do population counts...

[Millennial_Messiah]

GA reinstates 6 week abortion ban and early voting for the next week's runoff election.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/georgia-supreme-court-allows-early-voting-this-saturday-us-senate-runoff-election
This pretty much confirms the RINO conspiracy, tbh :lol

Doug Douchey and Kemp helping the party of the woke win to spite / beat Trump at all costs, tbh.


This has been debunked (the concept that land mass = number of votes). According to the color %, Republicans dominate California, Oregon and Washington.

& New York.

Pretty much everywhere that's not New England, New Mexico, or the very large and very Blue state of Alaska.

[Winehole23]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhnvavHX0AEZnG-?format=jpg&name=medium

[Winehole23]

This pretty much confirms the RINO conspiracy, tbh :lol

Doug Douchey and Kemp helping the party of the woke win to spite / beat Trump at all costs, tbh.Nah, there's no conspiracy, not wanting to be associated with bugfuck crazies like Kari Lake and Herschel Walker is just good political sense. So is kicking MAGA losers to the curb.

[Winehole23]

Zeldin lost despite a presidential level of turnout for the GOP. Unaffiliated voters didn't like him.


Republican turnout was substantially higher than for Democrats, 63 to 47 percent, according to an analysis of unofficial election results obtained by the Times Union from the state Board of Elections.

https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/Voter-turnout-of-Republicans-far-outpaces-17605110.php

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/PamelaHensley22/status/1596579148927238144?s=20

[ElNono]

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[Winehole23]

IA3, NY17, MI10, CA13, CO3

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[Dirks_Finale]

IA3, NY17, MI10, CA13, CO3

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Nice gift from the SCOTUS in an election year will do that, I guess. Got all the THOTS to come out and vote.

But thankfully the Left's agenda comes to an end in Jan. Better bribe Manchin some more to try and get whatever remaining scraps you can :tu

[boutons_deux]

IA3, NY17, MI10, CA13, CO3

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AOC claims the Cuomo machinery, still in place, really fucked up and NY alone lost the House, by bad campaign and letting NY Repugs gerrymander go through.

[ChumpDumper]

Nice gift from the SCOTUS in an election year will do that, I guess. Got all the THOTS to come out and vote.

But thankfully the Left's agenda comes to an end in Jan. Better bribe Manchin some more to try and get whatever remaining scraps you can :tu

What part of the let's agenda hurt you?

[boutons_deux]

What part of the let's agenda hurt you?

and what is the left's so-called agenda? such details are always missing

[Millennial_Messiah]

What part of the let's agenda hurt you?

Ruthless keynesian government spending leading to mass inflation, shutting down US pipelines and energy independence leading to double and worse gas prices. Soft foreign policy leading to the Taliban Afghan Emirate empire and Russia invading Ukraine nell-pell. Soft border policy leading to mass illegal migration

and yes I know the government spending stimulus garbage started in spring 2020 when orange man was still in the white house... to be fair I criticized mr. pumpkin for that back then.

[Winehole23]

AZ will sue to force Mohave and Cochise to certify and that will probably be the end of it.

lol Republican sore losers sniping at other Republicans.

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[ChumpDumper]

Ruthless keynesian government spending leading to mass inflation, shutting down US pipelines and energy independence leading to double and worse gas prices. Soft foreign policy leading to the Taliban Afghan Emirate empire and Russia invading Ukraine nell-pell. Soft border policy leading to mass illegal migration

and yes I know the government spending stimulus garbage started in spring 2020 when orange man was still in the white house... to be fair I criticized mr. pumpkin for that back then.You do know shutting down pipelines doesn't mean production ends, right?

And you wanted to stay in Afghanistan? :lol

The soft-border stuff is just made up.

[Will Hunting]

Ruthless keynesian government spending leading to mass inflation, shutting down US pipelines and energy independence leading to double and worse gas prices. Soft foreign policy leading to the Taliban Afghan Emirate empire and Russia invading Ukraine nell-pell. Soft border policy leading to mass illegal migration

and yes I know the government spending stimulus garbage started in spring 2020 when orange man was still in the white house... to be fair I criticized mr. pumpkin for that back then.
Domestic oil production has gone up since Biden took office; this year we're on pace for the 2nd highest amount of domestic production ever.

The reason we have high gas prices was the deal Trump cut with OPEC+ to slash oil production by 10 million barrels a day back in April 2020. OPEC+ still isn't producing at pre-COVID levels.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Domestic oil production has gone up since Biden took office; this year we're on pace for the 2nd highest amount of domestic production ever.

The reason we have high gas prices was the deal Trump cut with OPEC+ to slash oil production by 10 million barrels a day back in April 2020. OPEC+ still isn't producing at pre-COVID levels.

Yeah, but even if we do, we'll never get our money back from the spring-summer of 2022... the IRS should offer a tax rebate (credit) for it to make amends, honestly. That would go a long way to goodwill.

I never used to blame the Dems for high gas prices because back in the day it was during Bush in late '05 when gas started soaring... that lasted for 10 years until around mid 2015 except for one short lived downturn in late 2008 that went right back up in early 2009.

It was Obama's last two years in which we saw the cheapest pre-covid gas prices sustained since Bush's first term.

Then in the 3-4 month window of covid we had the cheapest prices since the mid 1990s.

But something inevitably did go wrong in around Late Spring 2020 for them to spike, but the cut in production should have only been for 6 months or so. There's no denying that there was a hard spike up at the beginning of 2021 after Biden was inaugurated and then a much bigger spike to abhorrent and intolerable levels in early 2022 and Biden never explained it except blaming it on "russia, russia, russia". The gas prices have to some extent come down since Biden tapped into the strategic oil reserve, and since the beginning of November they're down per usual but there's a confounding variable in that the winter blend of unleaded sold from November to April is poor quality gas that gets lower gas mileage... also, Diesel prices are still at $5 per gallon or worse in most states... additionally, there's a lot of uncertainty about 2023. Will the gas prices look more like 2021 or 2022 in 2023? Hopefully the former, or even better hopefully 2015-2019 standard we've come to know. 2020 was an outlier for many reasons.

[Dirks_Finale]

What part of the let's agenda hurt you?


The consequences of the agenda have hurt us all through inflation, no matter how you are doing financially.

[ChumpDumper]

The consequences of the agenda have hurt us all through inflation, no matter how you are doing financially.The stuff Trump allowed and bragged about?

OK.

[Will Hunting]

The consequences of the agenda have hurt us all through inflation, no matter how you are doing financially.
Agreed, Trump’s agenda of cutting oil production by 10 million barrels a day has hurt all of us.

[baseline bum]

ROFL these MAGAtards at the Maricopa certification today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ci22yUby84

[Millennial_Messiah]

ROFL these MAGAtards at the Maricopa certification today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ci22yUby84

Lake lost

AZ is a blue state and not going back

AZ is East Cal

Goodbye the end

[Winehole23]

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[Dirks_Finale]

Agreed, Trump’s agenda of cutting oil production by 10 million barrels a day has hurt all of us.


Biden using Trump's surplus of oil reserves purchased at a bargain price actually saved the economy from total collapse, though :lol

BTW, how's the 401k looking now compared to the Trump years?

[Dirks_Finale]

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The GOP has essentially conceded the seat and are looking at WV and Montana in 2024.

[Winehole23]

The GOP has essentially conceded the seat and are looking at WV and Montana in 2024.it's true that the 2024 Senate race is gonna be tough for Dems. (R)s screwed themselves with a very weak candidate here

[Will Hunting]

The GOP has essentially conceded the seat and are looking at WV and Montana in 2024.
Ohio will be an easier flip for the GOP than Montana (assuming Tester runs).

The last poll in MT had Tester at +20% approval and Montana voters are a lot more elastic in terms of their willingness to split the ballot.

If the GOP has conceded this seat (I don't think they have - a lot of the high turnout has come from very Republican areas) it's not because they're looking to 2024. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If they've conceded it's because they don't think Walker can win.

[Will Hunting]

Biden using Trump's surplus of oil reserves purchased at a bargain price actually saved the economy from total collapse, though :lol

BTW, how's the 401k looking now compared to the Trump years?
I don't blame Biden for the fact Trump's economic plan (tax cuts and deficit spending) didn't lead to sustained stock price growth.

The GOP economic policy of tax cuts and deregulation is the equivalent of letting a 7 year old eat sour patches for dinner every night.

[Will Hunting]

Lake lost

AZ is a blue state and not going back

AZ is East Cal

Goodbye the end
The Arizona GOP (back when it wasn't retarded) built a turnout powerhouse with mail in voting and the Trump/Kelli Ward circus basically destroyed it by telling their base that mail voting isn't reliable.

It's pretty hilarious to see how much the GOP has suppressed its own vote this year.

[Millennial_Messiah]

The GOP has essentially conceded the seat and are looking at WV and Montana in 2024.

Ohio will be an easier flip for the GOP than Montana (assuming Tester runs).

The last poll in MT had Tester at +20% approval and Montana voters are a lot more elastic in terms of their willingness to split the ballot.

If the GOP has conceded this seat (I don't think they have - a lot of the high turnout has come from very Republican areas) it's not because they're looking to 2024. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If they've conceded it's because they don't think Walker can win.

Ohio, West Virginia, Montana, Nevada (Laxalt was the strongest candidate who lost and IMO should run again and Rosen is weaker than CCM), and Wisconsin are all more likely to flip than not, but candidate quality matters. Arizona, Michigan, New Mexico, and Pennsylvania are on the next tier, but you've got to have a strong candidate and very strong campaigning to flip those. You're not going to pick those up by running a Blake Masters, Tudor Dixon, a weatherman and a holistic celebrity doctor. Also, John James is an incredibly weak candidate for Michigan, similar to Herschel Walker. Look at how he BARELY won his almost solid-red district by the skin of his teeth this year after losing out on the Senate 2 cycles in a row. I've heard him speak in-person; he's got the vocabulary and public speaking ability of a 5th grader.


The Arizona GOP (back when it wasn't retarded) built a turnout powerhouse with mail in voting and the Trump/Kelli Ward circus basically destroyed it by telling their base that mail voting isn't reliable.

It's pretty hilarious to see how much the GOP has suppressed its own vote this year.
Yeah that's why the GOP overperformed in places like CA where the Democrats only won statewide by around 15% but underperformed in NV and AZ (among others, like PA/MI) is because Trump, Mike Lindell, Marjorie Taylor-Greene, and that whole MAGA / America First / QAnon cabal told everyone in their base to only vote on election day and that if they voted early or by mail that their votes wouldn't count. The problem is, a lot of those people in the hot southwestern states are older and really only want to vote by mail, and would elect to stay home and not vote at all if their choice is between vote in person election day or not vote at all. And a lot of the MAGA / QAnon base just didn't end up voting at all because when the time got down to election day something else came up and they turned to praying to god that the GOP would win instead of actually voting. {Example: I kept getting emails the last month leading up to the election, from Michigan GOP that the solution to defeating Whitmer was to 'pray Whitmer away'; no joke}

Heck, Oregon has been an exclusively vote by mail state for over 40 years, and that one almost flipped red in 2000 largely due to Nader

When the GOP gets back to fundamentals and actually logistically trying to win elections instead of praying, they will go back to winning elections.

[Will Hunting]

Ohio, West Virginia, Montana, Nevada (Laxalt was the strongest candidate who lost and IMO should run again and Rosen is weaker than CCM), and Wisconsin are all more likely to flip than not, but candidate quality matters. Arizona, Michigan, New Mexico, and Pennsylvania are on the next tier, but you've got to have a strong candidate and very strong campaigning to flip those.
Rosen is weaker than CCM but she won't have the terrible Clark County Hispanic turnout that CCM managed to survive this year.

Laxalt lost in 2018 and 2022, he's a terrible fundraiser and Hispanic voters fucking hate him. At some point you lose votes when you repeatedly run again after losing (e.g., McSally doing worse in 2020 than 2018 despite 2018 being a much better environment for Dems), voter fatigue eventually sets in.

:lmao calling Baldwin's seat more likely to flip than not when Evers just won re-election by 3% and a literal black nationalist came within 25k votes of taking out Ron Johnson, both despite awful Milwaukee turnout
:lmao thinking there's any chance Bob Casey Jr. is losing when John Fetterman just won PA by 5% despite literally not being able to talk
:lmao holding onto the red New Mexico wet dream when that filthy wop Mark Ronchetti couldn't even unseat a scandal plagued incumbent governor
:lmao thinking Michigan might flip when the Dems just took complete control of the state and are about to pass a slew of new voting laws to juice turnout in Detroit

All of your predictions are assuming the 2024 environment is going to be worse for Dems than 2022 was which makes no sense. 2022 was still a pretty unfavorable year for Dems (R+2 generic ballot nationally) and minority turnout was horrendous. The fact Democrats did so well with independents in a Dem midterm year and Biden's unpopularity with independents is a bad dynamic for the GOP that's probably not changing anytime soon.


Yeah that's why the GOP overperformed in places like CA where the Democrats only won statewide by around 15% but underperformed in NV and AZ (among others, like PA/MI) is because Trump, Mike Lindell, and that whole MAGA / America First / QAnon cabal told everyone in their base to only vote on election day and that if they voted early or by mail that their votes wouldn't count.
Well there's more to it than that. The CA GOP (in a rare demonstration of competence) has actually built up a pretty impressive ballot harvesting operation while Newsom did jack shit to help CA Dems win this year. The AZGOP inexplicably told all of its supporters to flood the polls on EDay so they had a huge deficit to make up while the AZ Dems banked a bunch of early votes and could focus EDay canvassing efforts on lower propensity voters.

This year shows how important state level political machines are, and right now the GOP state level operation is in complete shambles in all of the wrong places (PA, AZ, MI, NV, WI).

[daboom1]

The reason we have high gas prices was the deal Trump cut with OPEC+ to slash oil production by 10 million barrels a day back in April 2020. OPEC+ still isn't producing at pre-COVID levels.

:lmao

[ChumpDumper]

:lmaoShow us your take on domestic and OPEC+ production with numbers, Qhris.

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao calling Baldwin's seat more likely to flip than not when Evers just won re-election by 3% and a literal black nationalist came within 25k votes of taking out Ron Johnson, both despite awful Milwaukee turnout
WI).
hey, you're the one trying to convince me early this year that WI is zooming to the right while TX/FL are moving to the left, while none of the above were true.

[Will Hunting]

hey, you're the one trying to convince me early this year that WI is zooming to the right while TX/FL are moving to the left, while none of the above were true.
When did I ever say Florida was moving left? I've been saying for years that the Dems should cut bait and stop dumping money into Florida.

Texas is moving left, just at a much slower rate than everyone says (again, this is what I've said all along).

Wisconsin is moving right, just not fast enough to take out an incumbent who performs as solidly as Baldwin does.

[Millennial_Messiah]

When did I ever say Florida was moving left? I've been saying for years that the Dems should cut bait and stop dumping money into Florida.

Texas is moving left, just at a much slower rate than everyone says (again, this is what I've said all along).

Wisconsin is moving right, just not fast enough to take out an incumbent who performs as solidly as Baldwin does.

Texas leftward trend peaked in 2018 when they had both the suburban coalition and a steady stream of blue in the RGV. Now it's trending back red. Tarrant flipped back red. Austin is pretty maxed out. Houston suburbs trending back red. Not looking like Blexas will happen. The state went from R+2.2 in 2018 to R+6 in 2020 to R+11.5 in 2022, that's a pretty consistent rightward pattern.

Baldwin isn't a blue dog democrat. She's basically ideologically the same as Mandela Barnes without being tied to the black panthers. If you've heard her speak, she's the definition of a twinkle tone leftist. She's basically Warren but more soft spoken. Maybe the most delicate voice in the entire Senate.

[Will Hunting]

Texas leftward trend peaked in 2018 when they had both the suburban coalition and a steady stream of blue in the RGV. Now it's trending back red. Tarrant flipped back red. Austin is pretty maxed out. Houston suburbs trending back red. Not looking like Blexas will happen. The state went from R+2.2 in 2018 to R+6 in 2020 to R+11.5 in 2022, that's a pretty consistent rightward pattern.
it's not really when you're comparing across different elections and different environments + when you're not weighing it against national partisanship.

For example, the R+11.5% governor race you're using actually trended left compared to the 2018 governor race despite the environment being much worse for Dems overall.



Baldwin isn't a blue dog democrat. She's basically ideologically the same as Mandela Barnes without being tied to the black panthers. If you've heard her speak, she's the definition of a twinkle eyed leftist. She's basically Warren but more soft spoken.
Again this is your retarded fallacy that blue dogs always perform well and progressives always perform terribly.

Whatever her ideology is, she's been a consistent overperformer in the 2 senate races she's won. The idea that Baldwin isn't a good statewide candidate in Wisconsin isn't a serious opinion.

[daboom1]

Texas is moving left

:lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

Again this is your retarded fallacy that blue dogs always perform well and progressives always perform terribly.

It depends on the state. In 2016 Wisconsin woke up and realized that, outside of Madison city limits, it's not -actually- Massachusetts. A lot of tougher boned people there. In 2018 she was the incumbent in a blue wave year and there wasn't really much either side could do about that, either to primary her out or beat her in the general. But she's much more cut out realistically for a northeastern or west coast state than an upper midwest state.

She'll lose in 2024 but it'll be less than 5%. Tiffany or Gallagher are potentially strong candidates. But knowing Trump he'll probably prop up someone stupid like some ex Packers player or something.

Tim Michels was a less than stellar pick for governor. Should have gone with the insta-win in Rebecca Kleefisch (spelling?) -sure she was more moderate on social issues, but she would have beaten Evers by a bigger margin than Johnson beat Barnes instead of outright losing to Evers

[Dirks_Finale]

Ohio will be an easier flip for the GOP than Montana (assuming Tester runs).

The last poll in MT had Tester at +20% approval and Montana voters are a lot more elastic in terms of their willingness to split the ballot.

If the GOP has conceded this seat (I don't think they have - a lot of the high turnout has come from very Republican areas) it's not because they're looking to 2024. The two aren't mutually exclusive. If they've conceded it's because they don't think Walker can win.

Trump won Montana easily so I actually think this is one of those weird states where they could send out a Trumper, Q-anon guy and knock off Tester. They just have to find one with half a brain who can successfully align Tester with Joe Biden.

[Dirks_Finale]

When did I ever say Florida was moving left? I've been saying for years that the Dems should cut bait and stop dumping money into Florida.

Texas is moving left, just at a much slower rate than everyone says (again, this is what I've said all along).

Wisconsin is moving right, just not fast enough to take out an incumbent who performs as solidly as Baldwin does.

No :lol

I mean yes, it sort of was, then Biden broke the border and halted that progression.

On top of that, I think we are becoming more tribal. Libs are leaving places like TX/FLA and moving to blue states and Republicans are feeling California and NY for red states, etc.

[ElNono]

No :lol

I mean yes, it sort of was, then Biden broke the border and halted that progression.

On top of that, I think we are becoming more tribal. Libs are leaving places like TX/FLA and moving to blue states and Republicans are feeling California and NY for red states, etc.

Not really. It's just that Californians and New Yorkers are moving to blue cities like Austin (or San Antonio). Then those get gentrified, and move on to the next town.

It really is a matter of time urban outvotes rural in TX. It might take a while, but that part is somewhat inevitable.

At some point the GOP will have to figure out how to cater the urban voters. It won't be pretty though.

[DarrinS]

Not really. It's just that Californians and New Yorkers are moving to blue cities like Austin (or San Antonio). Then those get gentrified, and move on to the next town.

It really is a matter of time urban outvotes rural in TX. It might take a while, but that part is somewhat inevitable.

At some point the GOP will have to figure out how to cater the urban voters. It won't be pretty though.


They flee shitty policy states to advocate for same shitty policies in their new states? Makes perfect sense.

[Th'Pusher]

They flee shitty policy states to advocate for same shitty policies in their new states? Makes perfect sense.

What are the shitty policies they’re fleeing? State taxes? Legalized drugs? Homeless policy?

[DarrinS]

What are the shitty policies they’re fleeing? State taxes? Legalized drugs? Homeless policy?

All of the above

[ElNono]

They flee shitty policy states to advocate for same shitty policies in their new states? Makes perfect sense.

Because policy is not why they flee. If they didn't like that, they wouldn't move to another blue city.

What happens is gentrification, and they eventually just get priced out. Exactly what's happening to Austin right now.

[Dirks_Finale]

Not really. It's just that Californians and New Yorkers are moving to blue cities like Austin (or San Antonio). Then those get gentrified, and move on to the next town.

It really is a matter of time urban outvotes rural in TX. It might take a while, but that part is somewhat inevitable.

At some point the GOP will have to figure out how to cater the urban voters. It won't be pretty though.


I think the Dems plan to expedite that is a blanket amnesty. If you get full control in 2024, I'd be shocked if we did not see it.

[ElNono]

I think the Dems plan to expedite that is a blanket amnesty. If you get full control in 2024, I'd be shocked if we did not see it.

Then you'll be shocked. There's nothing to gain for Democrats with an amnesty. They're already getting the latino votes they're going to get. Especially since the GOP insists on calling non-cuban latinos pretty much criminals.

Democrats should be thanking Trump for that. The last president to do a blanket amnesty was Reagan, and he pretty much locked in the Cubans voters into the red team.

About the urban growth, it's simply organic. Take a look at this:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/985183/size-urban-rural-population-us/

and it's not just a US phenomenon, it's worldwide. ie:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/urban-and-rural-population

That said, all this means is that the GOP will have to rely much less on rural and figure out how to cater to urban voters.

[boutons_deux]

"It really is a matter of time urban outvotes rural in TX. It might take a while"

==============

Although Texas has a large rural population, the majority of Texans live in urban areas (or metropolitan statistical areas).

In 2010, 84.7 percent of the Texas population lived in urban areas,

and 75.4 percent lived in urban areas with 50,000 or more people.

https://www.texasalmanac.com/articles/texas-population-still-growing

===============

2020 picture of Texas comes into focus:

A diverse state dominated by major metros

https://kinder.rice.edu/urbanedge/2020-picture-texas-comes-focus-diverse-state-dominated-major-metros

No Dem has won statewide office for decades.

[spurraider21]

Because policy is not why they flee. If they didn't like that, they wouldn't move to another blue city.

What happens is gentrification, and they eventually just get priced out. Exactly what's happening to Austin right now.
when it comes to housing a it usually comes down to a more basic supply and demand issue. just building more homes, even market rate housing, luxury apartments, etc, generally increases affordability through the region (because people with the money will flock to those new shiny places, and prices will ease on the vacated homes). but if the demand growth keeps outpacing supply growth, you might not get there. thats why you just need to build build build and not think twice tbh

[spurraider21]

When did I ever say Florida was moving left? I've been saying for years that the Dems should cut bait and stop dumping money into Florida
yep. and dems bailing on florida means they can stop trying to appease cuban voters and move forward with normalizing relations with countries like cuba, venezuela, etc

[leemajors]

when it comes to housing a it usually comes down to a more basic supply and demand issue. just building more homes, even market rate housing, luxury apartments, etc, generally increases affordability through the region (because people with the money will flock to those new shiny places, and prices will ease on the vacated homes). but if the demand growth keeps outpacing supply growth, you might not get there. thats why you just need to build build build and not think twice tbh

Not if you have nifty software like RealPage for landlords!

[spurraider21]

BREAKING: Cochise County BOS just motioned to table the certification of the election until November 28th, when they expect to review all evidence of the proof of legal certification by the accredited Election Assistance Commission labs to use the tabulation machines. This now establishes precedent to do the same in other counties now that Cochise County is validating their results. Arizona cannot certify any election results until all counties have rendered certified results.

https://truthsocial.com/users/realmarkfinchem/statuses/109368472535229158
1598447202409631769

:lol tick tock

[Millennial_Messiah]

If Warnock wins, the Dems are essentially geographically maxed out in the Senate, except for Susan Collins' seat.

Yes they'll have a 51-49 majority for 2 years but Tester/Sherrod/Manchin going down in 2024 is just simply the chickens coming home to roost. The GOP has much more room to grow in the senate in all 3 cycles especially the 2024 cycle than the Dems do. Even in 2026 the GOP will be playing more offense (Georgia, NM, MI's weak incumbent, MN's weaker incumbent etc) than defense (Maine). In 2028 the GOP will have to defend WI but everything else is pretty much offense again (GA, AZ, NV, PA). But the really big opportunity for mass scale flippage is in 2024 no doubt.

[spurraider21]

If Warnock wins, the Dems are essentially geographically maxed out in the Senate, except for Susan Collins' seat.

Yes they'll have a 51-49 majority for 2 years but Tester/Sherrod/Manchin going down in 2024 is just simply the chickens coming home to roost. The GOP has much more room to grow in the senate in all 3 cycles especially the 2024 cycle than the Dems do. Even in 2026 the GOP will be playing more offense (Georgia, NM, MI's weak incumbent, MN's weaker incumbent etc) than defense (Maine). In 2028 the GOP will have to defend WI but everything else is pretty much offense again (GA, AZ, NV, PA). But the really big opportunity for mass scale flippage is in 2024 no doubt.
yes, we all know the senate is just affirmative action for republicans. 2024 is a bad map for democrats obviously, but their silver lining is it comes during a general election where somebody as unpopular as trump might be leading the ticket and he might be hand picking dumbass senate candidates again

(and dont flatter yourself, i'm out of town, and my main computer which has ElNono's blocker tool didnt travel with me)

[Millennial_Messiah]

yes, we all know the senate is just affirmative action for republicans

(and dont flatter yourself, i'm out of town, and my main computer which has ElNono's blocker tool didnt travel with me)
Now's your chance to take me off ElNono's blocker tool; I'm quite a normal person these days. Please... I invite you :toast

yes I lean GOP, but I'm not alt right and not spamming up the NFL boards like before

[spurraider21]

Now's your chance to take me off ElNono's blocker tool; I'm quite a normal person these days. Please... I invite you :toast

yes I lean GOP, but I'm not alt right and not spamming up the NFL boards like before
i cant take you off the blocker tool unless i'm on that computer. you have ~1 month :lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

i cant take you off the blocker tool unless i'm on that computer. you have ~1 month :lol
Well follow my posting the next month and even recent post history. It's pretty normal. Just look at the NFL board this year compared to say, 2015 or 2016.

I remember you originally put me on iggy because I said Benson Mayowa > Khalil Mack. :lol but the reality is posting hundreds of times in each week's NFL thread was a bit much even looking back at it

Where are you vacationing? A month is quite awhile.


but their silver lining is it comes during a general election where somebody as unpopular as trump might be leading the ticket and he might be hand picking dumbass senate candidates again


That's a good point. Trump needs to acknowledge his 2022 failures and learn from it if he's going to continue to be de facto party leader.

The GOP needs to take a page out of the CA GOP / NY GOP playbook at get equally competent as Democrats have been for awhile at ballot harvesting. They're learning, but more slowly than surely in some states (AZ, NV, PA, MI, WI obviously). WI should be a R+7 state but the Dems kick the GOP ass in early vote and ballot harvesting. Nevada should be R+whatever but only the Democrats do early, mail in voting and ballot harvesting there. Georgia is a curious case where Kemp gets the early vote turnout but everyone else there all the way to the senate and Trump way underperform.

e.g. Fetterman won not because he's a good candidate or because PA is bluer than 2016, but because Dr. Oz is a laughably bad candidate and the Trump wing of the GOP telling people not to vote unless they're going to vote on election day in person is a losing strategy. Stacey Abrams is a far better candidate than Fetterman, but the PA Dems smoked the GOP in the ballot harvesting and early/mail in vote process while Kemp was equally competent with Abrams in the early/mail ins and obviously won big margins on election day.

Appreciate Kemp for trying to prop up Herschel Walker in the runoff, but his best opportunity to win was in the general on the Kemp ticket. Walker is another terrible celebrity candidate and even worse than Oz because he can't speak without putting his foot in his mouth. Oz lost because he was seen by the western 7/8 of the state as a Muslim carpetbagger and PA Dems are competent with election stuff. Masters lost because he's a no name, the GOP got outspent, and Arizona GOP is laughably bad with election stuff. Nevada, Laxalt lost for similar reasons but we'll see if Nevada changes their laws with the new GOP governor

I do think Trump Inc. primarying out Romney in Utah is a very good idea, because it's a deep red state and there's no reason to have a Susan Collins vote in deep-red Utah, like Liz Cheney in Wyoming. But trying to replace someone like Sinema with a far right MAGA pro life type would be forfeiting that race. Similar goes for the upper midwest states. In Wisconsin you have to run someone competent but relatively moderate on social issues like abortion because that falls in line with Wisconsinites.

The bluer/purpler the state, the more that Trump/MAGA Inc needs to bite the bullet and just elect an electoral juggernaut RINO who will at least vote republican over 90% of the time even if they're not "based on all the issues". A far righty Maga Mormon in Utah is fine, but to win the second tier of possible senate flips like AZ/NV/WI/MI/PA/NM/VA you sometimes just need to find the most electable candidate. a McCormick would do well, maybe not win, but do well against Casey in PA, better than Oz, if the GOP plays their cards right. A ton of the McCormick vote in the western 7/8 of PA stayed home or voted for Fetterman for reasons already explained.

[Dirks_Finale]

Cant access it, unfortunately. Don't have a premium account.

And and agree with the last part. I don't care how bad inflation is, the GOP has to figure out an actual platform and run with it. Halloween Fentanyl candy was always stupid and only the very gullible fell for it.




Then you'll be shocked. There's nothing to gain for Democrats with an amnesty. They're already getting the latino votes they're going to get. Especially since the GOP insists on calling non-cuban latinos pretty much criminals.

Democrats should be thanking Trump for that. The last president to do a blanket amnesty was Reagan, and he pretty much locked in the Cubans voters into the red team.

About the urban growth, it's simply organic. Take a look at this:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/985183/size-urban-rural-population-us/

and it's not just a US phenomenon, it's worldwide. ie:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/urban-and-rural-population

That said, all this means is that the GOP will have to rely much less on rural and figure out how to cater to urban voters.

[Dirks_Finale]

If Warnock wins, the Dems are essentially geographically maxed out in the Senate, except for Susan Collins' seat.

Yes they'll have a 51-49 majority for 2 years but Tester/Sherrod/Manchin going down in 2024 is just simply the chickens coming home to roost. The GOP has much more room to grow in the senate in all 3 cycles especially the 2024 cycle than the Dems do. Even in 2026 the GOP will be playing more offense (Georgia, NM, MI's weak incumbent, MN's weaker incumbent etc) than defense (Maine). In 2028 the GOP will have to defend WI but everything else is pretty much offense again (GA, AZ, NV, PA). But the really big opportunity for mass scale flippage is in 2024 no doubt.

Question is, what do they run on? Gas prices are returning to Trump era range and you can only ride the anti-woke train so far. SCOTUS telling the $2 whores you cant snuff out your baby has backfired and you have to wonder what SCOTUS is up to now and when some eavesdropping, crazed liberal is ready to release the dirt on it.

[Will Hunting]

Question is, what do they run on? Gas prices are returning to Trump era range and you can only ride the anti-woke train so far. SCOTUS telling the $2 whores you cant snuff out your baby has backfired and you have to wonder what SCOTUS is up to now and when some eavesdropping, crazed liberal is ready to release the dirt on it.
:lol still blaming liberals for the Dobbs opinion being leaked when it’s obvious Alito leaked the opinion to freeze Kavanaugh and Gorsuch

[Winehole23]

Federal Judge grants motion for sanctions on team Kari Lake for filing a frivolous lawsuit. It's what should have happened to Trump about 60 times after he lost the election, hope this sort of thing becomes more common if sore loser Republicans keep filing garbage lawsuits like this.

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[Millennial_Messiah]

Question is, what do they run on? Gas prices are returning to Trump era range and you can only ride the anti-woke train so far. SCOTUS telling the $2 whores you cant snuff out your baby has backfired and you have to wonder what SCOTUS is up to now and when some eavesdropping, crazed liberal is ready to release the dirt on it.
It's not quite Trump era or the last 2 years of Obama era low. It's more like a median of Obama's first six years average / Bush's last 3 years.

I think if the Dems plan on keeping gas reasonable and inflation and spending down, they need to in good faith offer an inflation-compensation tax credit for 2022 without having to itemize deductions and lose your standard. One separate one for everyone not on foodstamps or other government assistance for the food and general goods inflation, and the other for mileage due to gas expense. People when filing tax returns should be able to impute how many miles they drove when gas was record high and the difference between 2022 and 2019 gas price based on the national average or the June 2022 average for the state(s) they drove the most in, that difference should be reimbursed as a pure tax credit. If the Democrats want to ever earn any brownie points with me, now is their chance. Trust people to input the numbers in good faith, maybe provide a screenshot or two of their odometer if they have it, but generally limit the audits to people who claim insanely high miles like six-figure.

The anti-woke train is stale for sure, but the dems would be wise to hold back the radical queers as much as possible and return to being blue dogs. A Joe Manchin would win in a landslide in this type of environment where the majority of voters in most states are independent or party elastic. But we can't have green new deal climate jihad, that's far worse to our nation's economy and well being than a few trans faggots and queers here and there.

One thing I always thought the Republicans should have given up on like 20+ years ago was that of abortion. If you believe in freedom you don't believe the government should have control of what a person (i.e. woman) does with her own body. That's it and that's all. If you don't believe in both abortion rights and gun rights then you're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Roe v Wade codification should have been done LONG before gay marriage codification... and what about weed? How come the Dems haven't held true to their long awaited promise to deliver on federally legal weed codified? That should have been done long before gay marriage as well. Heck that should have been done in the 1960s and 70s when more people were getting high than not.


Federal Judge grants motion for sanctions on team Kari Lake for filing a frivolous lawsuit. It's what should have happened to Trump about 60 times after he lost the election, hope this sort of thing becomes more common if sore loser Republicans keep filing garbage lawsuits like this.


Lake needs to give it up, but she should have never challenged Karrin Taylor-Robson in the first place. Robson would have been governor elect and beaten Hobbs by over 5%. It's clear that people see Lake as a radical religious QAnon extremist type. She has a career waiting for her on Newsmax though.


:lol still blaming liberals for the Dobbs opinion being leaked when it’s obvious Alito leaked the opinion to freeze Kavanaugh and Gorsuch
If Trump actually deeply cared about his motley crew of hand-selected house and senate candidates and actually wanted them to win instead of getting embarrassed, he would have told his 3 appointees to vote for stare decisis and codification of Roe, regardless of what Alito and Thomas wanted.

[Winehole23]

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[Dirks_Finale]

It's not quite Trump era or the last 2 years of Obama era low. It's more like a median of Obama's first six years average / Bush's last 3 years.

I think if the Dems plan on keeping gas reasonable and inflation and spending down, they need to in good faith offer an inflation-compensation tax credit for 2022 without having to itemize deductions and lose your standard. One separate one for everyone not on foodstamps or other government assistance for the food and general goods inflation, and the other for mileage due to gas expense. People when filing tax returns should be able to impute how many miles they drove when gas was record high and the difference between 2022 and 2019 gas price based on the national average or the June 2022 average for the state(s) they drove the most in, that difference should be reimbursed as a pure tax credit. If the Democrats want to ever earn any brownie points with me, now is their chance. Trust people to input the numbers in good faith, maybe provide a screenshot or two of their odometer if they have it, but generally limit the audits to people who claim insanely high miles like six-figure.

The anti-woke train is stale for sure, but the dems would be wise to hold back the radical queers as much as possible and return to being blue dogs. A Joe Manchin would win in a landslide in this type of environment where the majority of voters in most states are independent or party elastic. But we can't have green new deal climate jihad, that's far worse to our nation's economy and well being than a few trans faggots and queers here and there.

One thing I always thought the Republicans should have given up on like 20+ years ago was that of abortion. If you believe in freedom you don't believe the government should have control of what a person (i.e. woman) does with her own body. That's it and that's all. If you don't believe in both abortion rights and gun rights then you're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Roe v Wade codification should have been done LONG before gay marriage codification... and what about weed? How come the Dems haven't held true to their long awaited promise to deliver on federally legal weed codified? That should have been done long before gay marriage as well. Heck that should have been done in the 1960s and 70s when more people were getting high than not.



Lake needs to give it up, but she should have never challenged Karrin Taylor-Robson in the first place. Robson would have been governor elect and beaten Hobbs by over 5%. It's clear that people see Lake as a radical religious QAnon extremist type. She has a career waiting for her on Newsmax though.


If Trump actually deeply cared about his motley crew of hand-selected house and senate candidates and actually wanted them to win instead of getting embarrassed, he would have told his 3 appointees to vote for stare decisis and codification of Roe, regardless of what Alito and Thomas wanted.

Well wages have also gone up since then, so I think proportionally the gas prices are about where they should be at right now.

With you on weed legalization. I hold the libertarian position on drugs.

[FrostKing]

Who won?

[Ef-man]

1598447202409631769

:lol tick tock

The knee is bent. :lol

https://www.cnn.com/2022/cochise-county-arizona-certify-midterm-election

[Millennial_Messiah]

The knee is bent. :lol

https://www.cnn.com/2022/cochise-county-arizona-certify-midterm-election

Well if Cochise refused to certify, there's a good chance the math in that House district would have flipped that red district blue.... AZ-02 I believe it is? Eli Crane's district.


Well wages have also gone up since then, so I think proportionally the gas prices are about where they should be at right now.

With you on weed legalization. I hold the libertarian position on drugs.
Well wages have gone up and tipflation is a thing (though it's still the customer's choice and I don't tip anyone except full service restaurant servers) but there's a massive labor shortage and the fake low unemployment number is skewed because it fails to account for discouraged workers mooching off the government or otherwise 18-65 and not disabled but not working (i.e., John Fetterman types living off their parents well into their 30s and 40s with no job). I believe that a law should be passed that the unemployment number should account for all of those who are able to work who are out of a job, including discouraged workers, freeloaders, single parents, stay at home parents, and those who otherwise choose not to work. Not just the 3-4% or so of job applicants who can't find a job.

What we need to do is fight back and reverse inflation back to about 10-12 years ago and get more Americans to work. Fill those short staffed service jobs even if it means each worker gets a smaller piece of the pie, i.e. wage stagnation. Get rid of welfare and government assistance/unemployment for those who are not disabled and are 18-65 and physically able to work. Raise interest rates high to discourage borrowing and encourage smart saving up and spending the right way, and also that slashes inflation and encourages people to buy safe inflation-beating bonds instead of highly risky investments like stocks and crypto which give people panic attacks, increase stress, and reduce life expectancy. No more foreign aid for Ukraine or anywhere else. That money needs to be spent in the USA only. Also the defense contractors still make way too much US taxpayer money.

[Winehole23]

Election night winner: progressive health care initiatives.


THE 45,000 OR so residents of Dunn County live off on the western side of Wisconsin, not far from central Minnesota, but not close to much of anything. Like other rural counties, it leans heavily Republican, going by double digits to Donald Trump in 2020. This year, Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., notched a 14-point margin there, and Tim Michels beat the incumbent Democratic Gov. Tony Evers by 9 percentage points.

But when it came to health care, Dunn County voters said they would support a national health insurance program. The overwhelmingly Republican residents of this farming community approved a ballot measure that affirms their support for a single-payer public health insurance program. The idea, which passed 51-49, ran 11 points ahead of Evers, who was reelected statewide, and 16 points ahead of Senate candidate Mandela Barnes.

The largely unnoticed rural election result affirmed support for nationalizing and expanding health insurance, a program popularly known as Medicare for All. While the national media discourse about the election largely ignored health care issues beyond abortion rights, voters across the country registered support for progressive reforms focused on improving health care access and reining in the for-profit industries that dominate the medical system.

In Arizona and South Dakota, like in Dunn County, progressive health care initiatives outpaced Democratic Party candidates by a wide margin. Arizona voters passed Proposition 209, a measure that reduces the allowable interest rate for medical debt and expands exemptions for what can be garnished by medical debt collectors, with a landslide 72 percent in favor. South Dakota became the 40th state to expand Medicaid coverage, making an additional 40,000 residents eligible.

Oregon passed Measure 111, making it the first state to enshrine a right to “cost-effective, clinically appropriate affordable health care” for every resident in the state constitution. In Massachusetts, voters enacted Question 2, which forces dental insurance companies to spend at least 83 percent of premiums on actual dental care, rather than administrative costs and profits.https://theintercept.com/2022/11/29/wisconsin-medicare-for-all-health-care/

[Monostradamus]

https://komonews.com/amp/news/nation-world/arizona-certifies-2022-election-despite-gop-complaints-republican-kari-lake-democrat-secretary-of-state-katie-hobbs-false-claims-2020-election-vote-county-ballot-tabulation

Arizona certifies 2022 election despite GOP complaints

:lmao daboom1

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[Trill Clinton]

https://www.thecoli.com/media/kari-lake.22014/full

[ElNono]

https://komonews.com/amp/news/nation-world/arizona-certifies-2022-election-despite-gop-complaints-republican-kari-lake-democrat-secretary-of-state-katie-hobbs-false-claims-2020-election-vote-county-ballot-tabulation

Arizona certifies 2022 election despite GOP complaints

:lmao daboom1

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FlimsyAchingAxolotl-max-1mb.gif


tick tock :lmao:lmao:lmao

[Millennial_Messiah]

tick tock :lmao:lmao:lmao


https://komonews.com/amp/news/nation-world/arizona-certifies-2022-election-despite-gop-complaints-republican-kari-lake-democrat-secretary-of-state-katie-hobbs-false-claims-2020-election-vote-county-ballot-tabulation

Arizona certifies 2022 election despite GOP complaints

:lmao daboom1 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=54188)


What choice did they have?

Failing to certify could have jeopardized Eli Crane, Schweikert, and other Republicans downstream

The AZ GOP needs to flush out the Kari Lake's out of the system and get back to the basics that won them elections for decades before 2018

[Millennial_Messiah]

Will Hunting :lmao

"CA-13 will not go red"

https://www.kcra.com/article/california-us-house-district-3-gray-concedes-duarte/42139406

Duarte is the WINNER!

222-213 is the FINAL SCORE. :toast

[Leetonidas]

GA runoff happening today

[ElNono]

GA runoff happening today

TwItTeR FrAuD! Elon is on it...

[boutons_deux]

55 - 45 is holding, probably a reasonable appx of final count

Dems 51 - 49, expand SCOTUS, 5 more like the current 3,

for 8 legit - 6 corrupt

for the 5:

Pete Buttiegieg

Deb Haaland

a muslim

another Jew

lesbian woman

[spurraider21]

needle still in the "tossup" range but on the cusp of leaning blue

[spurraider21]

now leaning warnock

[Trainwreck2100]

55 - 45 is holding, probably a reasonable appx of final count

Dems 51 - 49, expand SCOTUS, 5 more like the current 3,

for 8 legit - 6 corrupt

for the 5:

Pete Buttiegieg

Deb Haaland

a muslim

another Jew

lesbian woman

lol sinema isn't expanding the court, all they'll be able to do is ran through judges because they won't need equal representation on judiciary committee

[boutons_deux]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/06/us/elections/results-georgia-us-senate-runoff.html

[boutons_deux]

Probably Warnock
77% CHANCE OF WINNING

[spurraider21]

woof. now "probably warnock"

[boutons_deux]

woof. now "probably warnock"

79% chance of winning, 53% counted

[spurraider21]

to win, walker was supposed to overperform compared to november by about 1% across the board. looking like he's underperforming if anything

[spurraider21]

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those reddest, most rural counties are incidentally the smallest ones that are having very little impact on the broader results

[spurraider21]

needle evening out a bit.. now only at 66% confidence in warnock

still, looks like walker is going to need an overperformance in the atlanta metro area. dekalb, fulton, etc. but thus far, his overperforming areas have been the deep red ones, not thoses leaning blue. still a lot of vote to be counted, and margins are still very tight

[Brazil]

:lol dat tsunami keeps delivering

[boutons_deux]

ouch, 1% diff

[spurraider21]

back into tossup territory per the needle. nate silver thinks the needle is being conservative

edit: needle has been paused as they investigate some data issue. probably explains why the numbers were shifting so quickly despite little to no significant overperformances by walker

[spurraider21]

if this is any indication of what's to come, walker is in trouble

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[Leetonidas]

Walker now with the slight lead with 63% total reporting

[spurraider21]

Walker now with the slight lead with 63% total reporting
dekalb has reported like 5%

fulton/cobb/chatham all under 60. gwinett right at 60

warnock has plenty of raw votes coming in, unless he has significantly underperformed in those areas relative to november

[Trill Clinton]

1600299782635163648

[spurraider21]

yep, warnock ahead now that dekalb got a big chunk of their votes in. still under 50% coming from there

[Millennial_Messiah]

1600299782635163648

Too premature


yep, warnock ahead now that dekalb got a big chunk of their votes in. still under 50% coming from there
Yes, Walker was up 2.2% before half of DeKalb dumped

the GOP always complains about the straight lines but that's how big cities work. They dump lots of precincts at a time and those precincts are compact and very blue.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Walker re-took the lead but Atlanta metro still almost half of the vote still to count

[boutons_deux]

walker up by 2000 votes, 74% in

[Millennial_Messiah]

walker up by 2000 votes, 74% in

I don't see any realistic way Warnock loses. 74-75% in but all of the Atlanta metro counties are between 50-60% and have the highest populations in the state.

[boutons_deux]

walker up 4k votes, fuck

[boutons_deux]

6000

[boutons_deux]

wow, warnock plus 1000 votes, crazy

[boutons_deux]

warnock up 30K

[Trill Clinton]

walker up by 2000 votes, 74% in

the right wing weekend at herschel's experiment is over
https://media.tenor.com/8zUyU3lh7csAAAAC/vince-carter-its-over.gif

[spurraider21]

warnock is gonna ring, tbh

[boutons_deux]

warnock up 15K

perhaps Repugs will stop with the celebrity candidates, like Trash, Walker, Oz

[spurraider21]

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[Reck]

Early night. Lol

[Millennial_Messiah]

Warnock +2.6%. Beatable incumbent, bad GOP candidate. He'll lose in 2028 against a competent candidate. Ossoff, too.


Early night. Lol
Based Kemp for fixing the election integrity in Georgia :toast :tu

Hopefully Nevada is next, with the GOP governor coming in, tbh.

Arizona and California are still a big problem in that department.

[Reck]

Warnock +2.6%. Beatable incumbent, bad GOP candidate. He'll lose in 2028 against a competent candidate. Ossoff, too.


Based Kemp for fixing the election integrity in Georgia :toast :tu

Hopefully Nevada is next, with the GOP governor coming in, tbh.

Arizona and California are still a big problem in that department.

Trump will be the gift that will keep on giving. Republicans will be forced to outright reject him. But in doing that they still lose because bitter Trump will run as a third option and fuck shit up for Desantis.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trump will be the gift that will keep on giving. Republicans will be forced to outright reject him. But in doing that they still lose because bitter Trump will run as a third option and fuck shit up for Desantis.

Nope, the GOP will primary him out or in any case Blumpkin will be forced out by his own party to suspend and cancel his campaign at some point in 2023 and retire from politics, under penalty of maybe some criminal sanctions and Trump doesn't want to spend the rest of his life in jail. DeSantis will be the clear favorite and the base will unite around him. Blumpkin will NOT run as a third party candidate.

Also, the bogus QAnon rhetoric that non-Trump candidates can't max out the rural base and the rust belt WWC base is ludicrous. Just look at Youngkin's performance in VA last year. Youngkin outperformed Blumpkin in the rust belt portion of western and southwestern VA. DeSantis will outperform Trump in VA/PA/MI/WI as well as AZ/GA/NV/NM.

[boutons_deux]

Have Bannon and Trash declared HW winner?

[ElNono]

tick tock

[Trill Clinton]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/EdFu9m8ckGO3e/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47zl1ucal2zc83ggfojk7r2ad5irrl ma9yo05m575b&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[TimDunkem]

https://i.imgur.com/wo1dplM.jpeg

[Ef-man]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/EdFu9m8ckGO3e/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47zl1ucal2zc83ggfojk7r2ad5irrl ma9yo05m575b&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

He's a bad man!!! :tu

[boutons_deux]

warnock +56K with 95% in

Time to expand SCOTUS to 14

[FrostKing]

I'm returning to Europe as conservative

In my 30s I switched

[FrostKing]

warnock +56K with 95% in

Time to expand SCOTUS to 14
"My team"

[Ef-man]

"My team"

Good thing you will not have to worry about your old team losing as you are now seeking full time membership in "Team Poland."

Just be grateful that Dems support Team NATO, unlike team losers. :tu

[Spurminator]

The GOP ran probably the worst Senate candidate I can recall in my lifetime, were outspent 2-1, and only lost by 2 points. Candidates no longer matter. We might as well just vote for algorithms.

[baseline bum]

The GOP ran probably the worst Senate candidate I can recall in my lifetime, were outspent 2-1, and only lost by 2 points. Candidates no longer matter. We might as well just vote for algorithms.

Roy Moore was worse

[Spurminator]

Roy Moore was worse

They're both pieces of shit but one of them at least had public service experience. Either way, that's another example of how the candidate himself doesn't matter.

[Isitjustme?]

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[Millennial_Messiah]

The GOP ran probably the worst Senate candidate I can recall in my lifetime, were outspent 2-1, and only lost by 2 points. Candidates no longer matter. We might as well just vote for algorithms.
It's still a pink state despite what you saw with Trump and Trump's candidates he stuck his neck out publicly for (Perdue, Loeffler, Walker) -- Walker was the worst of them too. They need to do personal life background checks and public speaking exams before allowing them to participate in a primary.


They're both pieces of shit but one of them at least had public service experience. Either way, that's another example of how the candidate himself doesn't matter.
No, Moore was far worse and pretty much confirmed to be a pedophile. Losing a deep red state is far worse than losing an elastic pink state.


warnock +56K with 95% in

Time to expand SCOTUS to 14
Won't happen with the GOP house majority.

[baseline bum]

They're both pieces of shit but one of them at least had public service experience. Either way, that's another example of how the candidate himself doesn't matter.

I'd amend it to gop candidate quality matters slightly in the sense that truly horrible gop candidates like Walker, Moore, Oz, Kari Lake turn off independent voters who usually skew gop. But shitbag evangelicals will show up in numbers for anyone with the magic R next to his name on the ballot so you're never going to win big in dixie.

[ElNono]

I thought this was a good read on Walker's candidacy:

Herschel Walker Is an American Tragedy (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/herschel-walker-georgia-black-americans/672373/)

[Trill Clinton]

Right wingers and pedophilia go together like peanut butter and jelly


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[ChumpDumper]

Right wingers and pedophilia go together like peanut butter and jelly


1599217568803262464

Groomer!

[Will Hunting]

The GOP ran probably the worst Senate candidate I can recall in my lifetime, were outspent 2-1, and only lost by 2 points. Candidates no longer matter. We might as well just vote for algorithms.
They lost by 2 points in the same state where Brian Kemp won by 8 points.

Candidate quality absolutely matters, even in the very inelastic deep south.

[Spurminator]

They lost by 2 points in the same state where Brian Kemp won by 8 points.

Candidate quality absolutely matters, even in the very inelastic deep south.

That's a 10 point swing out of a possible 54. That may be big on today's political environment but the bar should be higher.

Fact is 49% of Georgian voters voted for an absolute political retard.

[Will Hunting]

That's a 10 point swing out of a possible 100. That may be big on today's political environment but the bar should be higher.
A 10 point swing in a racially polarized, inelastic state is pretty big imo.

Keep in mind, one big difference is that parties used to give up on candidates after they found out about major character flaws. Now senate seats are so valuable that they keep pouring money into it no matter how flawed the candidate is. If the GOP didn't give up on someone like Todd Akin and kept funding his race, he'd have probably come a lot closer to winning.

[boutons_deux]

That's a 10 point swing out of a possible 54. That may be big on today's political environment but the bar should be higher.

Fact is 49% of Georgian voters voted for an absolute political retard.

they vote mindlessly, even against their own advantage, for any POS with "R"

[Spurminator]

A 10 point swing in a racially polarized, inelastic state is pretty big imo.

Keep in mind, one big difference is that parties used to give up on candidates after they found out about major character flaws. Now senate seats are so valuable that they keep pouring money into it no matter how flawed the candidate is. If the GOP didn't give up on someone like Todd Akin and kept funding his race, he'd have probably come a lot closer to winning.

It's significant for sure in today's environment. Maybe I'm viewing the past through rose colored glasses but I feel like even in my lifetime we've lived in an America where Herschel Walker would have gotten no more than 30% of the vote (had he even gotten the GOP nomination at that time)

[Will Hunting]

It's significant for sure in today's environment. Maybe I'm viewing the past through rose colored glasses but I feel like even in my lifetime we've lived in an America where Herschel Walker would have gotten no more than 30% of the vote (had he even gotten the GOP nomination at that time)
Yeah I think the dynamic you're not used to is laughably bad, borderline sociopathic candidates being able to win primaries in open races just by touting a Trump endorsement.

Primary races have historically been when candidates like Kari Lake, Mark Finchem, Herschel, Blake Masters, etc. got sniffed out.

[Millennial_Messiah]

A 10 point swing in a racially polarized, inelastic state is pretty big imo.

Keep in mind, one big difference is that parties used to give up on candidates after they found out about major character flaws. Now senate seats are so valuable that they keep pouring money into it no matter how flawed the candidate is. If the GOP didn't give up on someone like Todd Akin and kept funding his race, he'd have probably come a lot closer to winning.
Not necessarily. Yes they shilled for Walker when it was too little too late, but McConnell put next to no resources into Arizona, PA governor, Nevada, Michigan, etc. And none of the candidates, not even Walker, were Todd Akin or Roy Moore level bad.


Yeah I think the dynamic you're not used to is laughably bad, borderline sociopathic candidates being able to win primaries in open races just by touting a Trump endorsement.

Primary races have historically been when candidates like Kari Lake, Mark Finchem, Herschel, Blake Masters, etc. got sniffed out.
Yeah I don't buy the argument that both GA and AZ aren't at least light pink states still, but they're states where you can't expect to win with ultra maga types. Trump needs to exclusively make endorsements in R+15 or redder states. No doubt he'll find someone to primary out Romney, and Romney will go the way of Liz Cheney. But you can't expect to run the Kari Lake/Herschel types in light pink states and expect to win, they've gotten too blue for that. Heck even in the 90s those two states were light blue and each voted for Clinton once. Those have scarcely been solid red states in recent memory except for maybe the war hawks like Dubya and McCain.

As for WV, it's either Justice or Mooney, but I'm kind of thinking Trump might prefer Mooney. Either way there will be a void to fill in either the governor mansion or a house seat there.

[Isitjustme?]

She's underwater with independents, which just shows how stupid her brand of politics is. The entire point of her contrarianism is to win independents over, if she's not doing that then it destroys any case to be made for centrism.


Yeah, she not making anyone happy (September 22 poll)
https://compote.slate.com/images/e4c4643c-7fae-44a8-9d9d-7d7ba366c5d1.jpeg?width=960

Lol

https://www.newsweek.com/krysten-sinema-departure-democrats-closed-doors-1766036

[Winehole23]

Sore loser look at me dance.

The grift never stops.

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[benefactor]

:lol...everyone knew this was coming.

:cry muh fraud :cry

I can't wait for Trump to pick her as his VP

[Winehole23]

Courts are getting tired of the weak bullshit Republican sore losers keep bringing.

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[Millennial_Messiah]

:lol...everyone knew this was coming.

:cry muh fraud :cry

I can't wait for Trump to pick her as his VP

...only for the ticket to fall behind 400 delegates by March, cry foul for a couple weeks, lose a lawsuit or two, cry a little while, and then announce suspension of campaign and endorsing DeSantis.

[Will Hunting]

...only for the ticket to fall behind 400 delegates by March, cry foul for a couple weeks, lose a lawsuit or two, cry a little while, and then announce suspension of campaign and endorsing DeSantis.
:lmao since when has Trump ever been a good sport about losing elections?

If he loses to RDS, he's going to scream fraud, going to claim the establishment rigged the convention against him, and he'll refuse to endorse DeSantis or do anything to help DeSantis win.

Trump is going to interpret losing in the primary as an act of betrayal by the political party that he thinks he saved.

[Winehole23]

...only for the ticket to fall behind 400 delegates by March, cry foul for a couple weeks, lose a lawsuit or two, cry a little while, and then announce suspension of campaign and endorsing DeSantis.it's more likely Trump will mount an independent campaign from a prison cell, tbh.

[Will Hunting]

it's more likely Trump will mount an independent campaign from a prison cell, tbh.
Trump is too lazy and fat to do all the work that an independent candidate needs to do to get on the ballot, it's more likely that he'd do what he did in the Georgia 2021 runoffs where he passive aggressively sabotaged Perdue/Loeffler only this time he'd be much more direct and blatant about it (i.e., he gave both of them a very limp endorsement, he wouldn't do that for DeSantis).

[Winehole23]

Trump is too lazy and fat to do all the work that an independent candidate needs to do to get on the ballot, it's more likely that he'd do what he did in the Georgia 2021 runoffs where he passive aggressively sabotaged Perdue/Loeffler only this time he'd be much more direct and blatant about it (i.e., he gave both of them a very limp endorsement, he wouldn't do that for DeSantis).Notice I didn't say it was likely, just somewhat more likely than Trump endorsing DeSantis after losing to him in a primary.

[baseline bum]

Trump is too lazy and fat to do all the work that an independent candidate needs to do to get on the ballot, it's more likely that he'd do what he did in the Georgia 2021 runoffs where he passive aggressively sabotaged Perdue/Loeffler only this time he'd be much more direct and blatant about it (i.e., he gave both of them a very limp endorsement, he wouldn't do that for DeSantis).

You don't think he'd do it out of spite and hire a hype man to get him on ballots nationwide? Seems like a great way to grift some more money while burning down Republicans who aren't loyal to him anymore. Trump's as petty as they come so exacting a grudge against the GOP while also being able to skim fat stacks of donations seems win-win.

[Will Hunting]

You don't think he'd do it out of spite and hire a hype man to get him on ballots nationwide? Seems like a great way to grift some more money while burning down Republicans who aren't loyal to him anymore. Trump's as petty as they come so exacting a grudge against the GOP while also being able to skim fat stacks of donations seems win-win.
He’s already able to grift a bunch of money while doing jackshit. I think he’ll just keep doing that.

[baseline bum]

He’s already able to grift a bunch of money while doing jackshit. I think he’ll just keep doing that.

I don't know, I think he'd make more in a grift as a presidential candidate standing up to the RINOs who are trying to silence him while also getting ugly revenge on everyone who is ready to kick him to the curb. He's such an egomaniac he would love burning McConnell to the ground for trying to ally with Desantis. Plus you can see how much Trump loves doing his political rallies.

[benefactor]

He's gonna third party their asses. I'd put money on it.

[pgardn]

He's gonna third party their asses. I'd put money on it.

This would be fantastic.
A lesson in backing an idiot.

[Isitjustme?]

I'd bet my money Trump on winning the primaries once he gets in actual debates with DeSantis.

[ChumpDumper]

Trump is too lazy and fat to do all the work that an independent candidate needs to do to get on the ballotI don't think he has to do much personally aside from signing a bunch of paperwork and making a few videos asking for petition signatures. His unpaid minions will gladly do anything for daddy.

[Dirks_Finale]

This would be fantastic.
A lesson in backing an idiot.

Your side backed all his candidates this time, some of which who won, which contributes to the chaos that y'all complain about.

The right and left should work together to get Trump completely out of the picture.

[Momo]

Your side backed all his candidates this time, some of which who won, which contributes to the chaos that y'all complain about.

The right and left should work together to get Trump completely out of the picture.
The right should kill themselves. Problem solved.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Trump is too lazy and fat to do all the work that an independent candidate needs to do to get on the ballot, it's more likely that he'd do what he did in the Georgia 2021 runoffs where he passive aggressively sabotaged Perdue/Loeffler only this time he'd be much more direct and blatant about it (i.e., he gave both of them a very limp endorsement, he wouldn't do that for DeSantis).

The biggest problem was not the "very limp endorsement" but he basically told his base to stay home for the runoffs because he told them the election system in GA is rigged and thus their votes wouldn't count if they did get out

[Will Hunting]

The biggest problem was not the "very limp endorsement" but he basically told his base to stay home for the runoffs because he told them the election system in GA is rigged and thus their votes wouldn't count if they did get out
Right but he wouldn’t give DeSantis a limp endorsement if he lost to him. He’d openly and directly try to sabotage DeSantis.

[baseline bum]

The biggest problem was not the "very limp endorsement" but he basically told his base to stay home for the runoffs because he told them the election system in GA is rigged and thus their votes wouldn't count if they did get out

You don't think he's going to call the primaries rigged if he loses?

[baseline bum]

Your side backed all his candidates this time, some of which who won, which contributes to the chaos that y'all complain about.

The right and left should work together to get Trump completely out of the picture.

Why? Trump's the liability to you, not to the democracts after costing the fascists the last three elections.

[Will Hunting]

Your side backed all his candidates this time, some of which who won, which contributes to the chaos that y'all complain about.

The right and left should work together to get Trump completely out of the picture.
It’s not our fault that the median Republican voter thinks Democrats eat babies and can be so easily conned into supporting the most retarded, unelectable candidate in the primary.

the Dems supporting Trump candidates in the primaries like Mastriano and that knuckle dragging monkey Joe Gibbs was smart politics.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Right but he wouldn’t give DeSantis a limp endorsement if he lost to him. He’d openly and directly try to sabotage DeSantis.

You think he'd run third party or he'd outright endorse Biden?



the Dems supporting Trump candidates in the primaries like Mastriano and that knuckle dragging monkey Joe Gibbs was smart politics.
I can't speak for Mastriano, but your take on John Gibbs (MI-03) is outright wrong. Knuckle dragging monkey certainly doesn't apply to him. Herschel Walker... you could apply that label to him. Gibbs is the opposite. He's an intellectual that has a master's degree from Stanford and has studied abroad in Japan and China. He knows multiple languages and he's a more eloquent speaker than Obama in his prime. I met him in person 4-5 times this past late summer/early fall (leading up to the election). The only reason he lost is because of Prop 3 propping up the Dems statewide (no pun intended), he's way too hardcore Christian nationalist in a relatively secular district and state, and the Democratic "independent commission" gerrymandering drew all the big cities in that area such as to be like D+8.

[Will Hunting]

Speaking of Joe Gibbs (pictured below right after he had a feces flinging fit), why do black Republicans always look like the lowest common denominator most braindead spear chucker that a white supremacist cartoonist would probably draw as a caricature of black people?

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/11/12/PDTN/16b501c6-86b3-4ca3-8b4a-a0c726740386-john_gibbs.jpg

[Millennial_Messiah]

Speaking of Joe Gibbs (pictured below right after he had a feces flinging fit), why do black Republicans always look like the lowest common denominator most braindead spear chucker that a white supremacist cartoonist would probably draw as a caricature of black people?

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2021/11/12/PDTN/16b501c6-86b3-4ca3-8b4a-a0c726740386-john_gibbs.jpg

You've never met him, so shut the fuck up. I don't agree with him on his religion and missionary-around-the-world crap that he's done, but he's far from a stereotypical angry black nigga. I personally know the guy.

Chances are that both Warnock and Mandela Barnes are much more likely to fit your description compared to Gibbs.

P.s. -- It's John Gibbs, not Joe. If you can't even get the name right, you should probably shut the fuck up before attempting to talk about or bash someone.

[Will Hunting]

You think he'd run third party or he'd outright endorse Biden?



I can't speak for Mastriano, but your take on John Gibbs (MI-03) is outright wrong. Knuckle dragging monkey certainly doesn't apply to him. Herschel Walker... you could apply that label to him. Gibbs is the opposite. He's an intellectual that has a master's degree from Stanford and has studied abroad in Japan and China. He knows multiple languages and he's a more eloquent speaker than Obama in his prime. I met him in person 4-5 times this past late summer/early fall (leading up to the election). The only reason he lost is because of Prop 3 propping up the Dems statewide (no pun intended), he's way too hardcore Christian nationalist in a relatively secular district and state, and the Democratic "independent commission" gerrymandering drew all the big cities in that area such as to be like D+8.
Joe Gibbs thinks the 2020 election was rigged and that Democrats literally eat babies.

also “hardcore Christian nationalist” and “intellectual” are mutually exclusive. You can’t be an intellectual who thinks the world is 5,000 years old and that men should be governed by a book of fairytales.

[Will Hunting]

DP

[Will Hunting]

You've never met him, so shut the fuck up. I don't agree with him on his religion and missionary-around-the-world crap that he's done, but he's far from a stereotypical angry black nigga. I personally know the guy.

Chances are that both Warnock and Mandela Barnes are much more likely to fit your description compared to Gibbs.

P.s. -- It's John Gibbs, not Joe. If you can't even get the name right, you should probably shut the fuck up before attempting to talk about or bash someone.
:lol did I strike a nerve making fun of the Michigan GOP’s pet monkey?

Jamal Gibbs will never hold elected office and will die early from clogged arteries and diabeetus. Cope and seethe.

[benefactor]

:lol did I strike a nerve making fun of the Michigan GOP’s pet monkey?

Jamal Gibbs will never hold elected office and will die early from clogged arteries and diabeetus. Cope and seethe.
I find it hilarious how their party hates blacks, Mexicans, etc. but love to trot out dumb jigs and Uncle Toms in an effort to say :cry but we got some blacks too :cry

[Millennial_Messiah]

You can’t be an intellectual who thinks the world is 5,000 years old and that men should be governed by a book of fairytales.
You and I don't agree with that, but over 80% of the western world does. That includes quite a lot of left leaners as well as people with master's degrees and doctorate degrees.

[Will Hunting]

:lmao trying to argue that a literal fucking pizzagate conspiracy theorist is ACKSHULLY a brilliant intellectual

Gee, I wonder how this guy didn't win a purple congressional seat!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gibbs_(government_official)
https://i.ibb.co/hX7pXqJ/Capture.png

[Will Hunting]

You and I don't agree with that, but over 80% of the western world does. That includes quite a lot of left leaners as well as people with master's degrees and doctorate degrees.
:lmao show your proof that 80% of the Western world doesn't think the world is 5,000 years old (especially the Western world outside of the US)

[Will Hunting]

Not gonna let the "intellectualism" from Monkey Gibbs regarding John Podesta and Comet Ping Pong wallow at the bottom of the page!

"OOGA BOOGA PODESTA OOGA BOOGA PIZZA GIMME DAT FRY CHICKIN! WE WUZ KANGS!"

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/200722153815-john-gibbs-2018-file.jpg?q=x_290,y_78,h_984,w_1749,c_crop/h_270,w_480

https://i.ibb.co/hX7pXqJ/Capture.png

[Millennial_Messiah]

:lmao show your proof that 80% of the Western world doesn't think the world is 5,000 years old (especially the Western world outside of the US)

There's a map out there from RealLifeLore (IIRC) that draws a vertical line at roughly 70º East (longitude) and states that approximately half of the world's population lives on either side of that vertical line [and 180º West (the middle of the Pacific ocean)].

So, let's call the half of the world that lives to the West of that vertical line Western, and the other half are Eastern.

Then you begin to look at the percentages of religious demographics to the West of that line, paired with the populations of the countries to the west of that line... the Abrahamic population, that believes in a unitary creator and the earth is only thousands of years old (Christianity/Islam/ arguably Judaism) is well over 80%, and closer to 90%. The teeny tiny populations of the countries with sizeable atheist/agnostic/eastern religion/nontheistic minority proportions, are dwarfed by the enormous Christian and Muslim countries which are heavily populated and have a well over 90% abrahamic observance rate (think most especially the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, even the US to some extent).

The reason the world has not given up religion is because religious people simply procreate more, that's just how it's always been and still is. Liberal non-religious countries will always have a very small birth rate.

[Will Hunting]

There's a map out there from RealLifeLore (IIRC) that draws a vertical line at roughly 70º East (longitude) and states that approximately half of the world's population lives on either side of that vertical line [and 180º West (the middle of the Pacific ocean)].

So, let's call the half of the world that lives to the West of that vertical line Western, and the other half are Eastern.

Then you begin to look at the percentages of religious demographics to the West of that line, paired with the populations of the countries to the west of that line... the Abrahamic population, that believes in a unitary creator and the earth is only thousands of years old (Christianity/Islam/ arguably Judaism) is well over 80%, and closer to 90%. The teeny tiny populations of the countries with sizeable atheist/agnostic/eastern religion/nontheistic minority proportions, are dwarfed by the enormous Christian and Muslim countries which are heavily populated and have a well over 90% abrahamic observance rate (think most especially the Middle East, Africa and Latin America, even the US to some extent).

The reason the world has not given up religion is because religious people simply procreate more, that's just how it's always been and still is. Liberal non-religious countries will always have a very small birth rate.
Just because someone identifies as Christian doesn’t mean they believe the world is only 5,000 years old. The average Western Christian is someone who doesn’t even go to church once a month.

:lmao “arguably Judaism”…75% of the Jewish population is secular and barely practices. We don’t believe the world is 5,000 years old and you know this.

As far as Mudslimes yes they’re all terrible people and I always favored Trump’s travel ban.

[baseline bum]

Just because someone identifies as Christian doesn’t mean they believe the world is only 5,000 years old. The average Western Christian is someone who doesn’t even go to church once a month.

:lmao “arguably Judaism”…75% of the Jewish population is secular and barely practices. We don’t believe the world is 5,000 years old and you know this.

As far as Mudslimes yes they’re all terrible people and I always favored Trump’s travel ban.

Meh Trump's travel ban never applied to Saudi Arabia who is our worst enemy in the middle east and makes the Ayatollah look progressive.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Just because someone identifies as Christian doesn’t mean they believe the world is only 5,000 years old. The average Western Christian is someone who doesn’t even go to church once a month.

:lmao “arguably Judaism”…75% of the Jewish population is secular and barely practices. We don’t believe the world is 5,000 years old and you know this.

As far as Mudslimes yes they’re all terrible people and I always favored Trump’s travel ban.

:lmao So you're Jewish but you throw around the "K" word like it's candy? :lmao


Meh Trump's travel ban never applied to Saudi Arabia who is our worst enemy in the middle east and makes the Ayatollah look progressive.

Agreed, and it was Saudi Arabia that spearheaded Al Qaeda and 9/11 and ISIS. Bin Laden himself was a proud Saudi. Just do your history research on the House of Saud and their radical brand of Islam in the early 20th century that completely destroyed the relatively peaceful Hashemite Muhammadan Arabian empire that controlled that territory for centuries.

[Winehole23]

a New York Times review of public documents and court filings from the United States and Brazil, as well as various attempts to verify claims that Mr. Santos, 34, made on the campaign trail, calls into question key parts of the résumé that he sold to voters.

Citigroup and Goldman Sachs, the marquee Wall Street firms on Mr. Santos’s campaign biography, told The Times they had no record of his ever working there. Officials at Baruch College, which Mr. Santos has said he graduated from in 2010, could find no record of anyone matching his name and date of birth graduating that year.

There was also little evidence that his animal rescue group, Friends of Pets United, was, as Mr. Santos claimed, a tax-exempt organization: The Internal Revenue Service could locate no record of a registered charity with that name.

His financial disclosure forms suggest a life of some wealth. He lent his campaign more than $700,000 during the midterm election, has donated thousands of dollars to other candidates in the last two years and reported a $750,000 salary and over $1 million in dividends from his company, the Devolder Organization.

Yet the firm, which has no public website or LinkedIn page, is something of a mystery. On a campaign website, Mr. Santos once described Devolder as his “family’s firm” that managed $80 million in assets. On his congressional financial disclosure, he described it as a capital introduction consulting company, a type of boutique firm that serves as a liaison between investment funds and deep-pocketed investors. But Mr. Santos’s disclosures did not reveal any clients, an omission three election law experts said could be problematic if such clients exist.

And while Mr. Santos has described a family fortune in real estate, he has not disclosed, nor could The Times find, records of his properties.https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/nyregion/george-santos-ny-republicans.html

[Winehole23]

At the same time, new revelations uncovered by The Times — including the omission of key information on Mr. Santos’s personal financial disclosures, and criminal charges for check fraud in Brazil — have the potential to create ethical and possibly legal challenges once he takes office.

Mr. Santos did not respond to repeated requests from The Times that he furnish either documents or a résumé with dates that would help to substantiate the claims he made on the campaign trail. He also declined to be interviewed, and neither his lawyer nor Big Dog Strategies, a Republican-oriented political consulting group that handles crisis management, responded to a detailed list of questions.

[ChumpDumper]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/nyregion/george-santos-ny-republicans.html

:lol the NY democrats couldn't find this out by themselves?

[Winehole23]

:lol the NY democrats couldn't find this out by themselves?nor the newspapers. apparently the GOP dngaf.

[Will Hunting]

Fat fuck JR Majewski similarly just made shit up about his past career, Kaptur was just competent enough to call it out.

The DCCC should just centralize all of its oppo research given how many Republican grifters now run every year.

[Will Hunting]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/19/nyregion/george-santos-ny-republicans.html


:lol the NY democrats couldn't find this out by themselves?
The DCCC apparently had an 87 page oppo document on Santos and it didn't mention any of this.

Sean Patrick Maloney has got to be the worst DCCC Chairman of my lifetime.

[pgardn]

It’s vital that proper red team candidates have a solid resume in lying and grifting.

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1605036082755645440?t

[ChumpDumper]

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1605036082755645440?t

"Plaintiff must show at trial that the BOD printer malfunctions were intentional, and directed to affect the results of the election, and that such actions did actually affect the outcome."

:lmao good luck proving Tonergate, Qhris

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1605036082755645440?t
:lol

8 out of 10 counts, including all counts against Katie Hobbs herself... WERE dismissed

1605034422729859074

and since there are no counts left against Hobbs...

1605315338388004864

[spurraider21]

:lmao 1 day after Lake tweets that Hobbs will have to testify, her lawyers withdraw their subpoena and Hobbs will not testify

i dont know how you continue believing what these clowns say on TV when what they are willing to tell the courts always pale in comparison

[Leetonidas]

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1605036082755645440?t

:lol you think Kari Lake can still win lmao

[Will Hunting]

:lol

8 out of 10 counts, including all counts against Katie Hobbs herself... WERE dismissed

1605034422729859074

and since there are no counts left against Hobbs...

1605315338388004864
It’s really 8.5 out of 10 counts, because on one of the counts the judge didn’t dismiss he grossly narrowed the type of claim Lake was allowed to try and prove.

[baseline bum]

:lmao 1 day after Lake tweets that Hobbs will have to testify, her lawyers withdraw their subpoena and Hobbs will not testify

i dont know how you continue believing what these clowns say on TV when what they are willing to tell the courts always pale in comparison

Trumper feelings don't care about facts.

[Dirks_Finale]

Just because someone identifies as Christian doesn’t mean they believe the world is only 5,000 years old. The average Western Christian is someone who doesn’t even go to church once a month.

:lmao “arguably Judaism”…75% of the Jewish population is secular and barely practices. We don’t believe the world is 5,000 years old and you know this.

As far as Mudslimes yes they’re all terrible people and I always favored Trump’s travel ban.

:lol

[daboom1]

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1605655245735878657?t

[clambake]

Woohoo

[spurraider21]

https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1605655245735878657?t
i sincerely doubt you are actually following the proceedings and instead are just beep booping as usual, but its already been explained that if the printer (used to make duplicate ballots) was inadvertently set to "shrink to fit" setting, it would cause this to happen

[spurraider21]

:lol judge just overruled an objection for hearsay and says "if its hearsay, you can address it in cross examination"... bizarre rules in arizona if that's a proper ruling