Latest Inside Info on Jakob Poeltl Trade Rumors

[TDMVPDPOY]

i think the spurms can get by with a collins/bassey front court...sign a vet big for 3 bigs rotation....

i still think with any trade/draft, spurs still need that alpha scorer....

[JuneJive]

Good thing about this years deadline is that there are very few teams that are sellers.

Spurs are in a great position to extract a lot of value.

[mo7888]

Forgot about Bassey tbh. If Poeltl/Collins get traded his contract gets converted imo.

Could be...I just wasn't sure what his injury situation looks like...reports haven't been really detailed..

[tbdog]

I think the spurs need to pull the trigger on a trade. I think. Thad young and raptors protected top 10 1st is on tbh table.

[mo7888]

Reading some of the overnight 'rumors' it kinda feels like NY is going to try and add a piece and with no real stars to chase OG could be the guy they target. That could revive a Toronto-Jak trade as part of a 3 team deal there. Toronto won't go full rebuild or give up an unprotected 1st in this draft but, they could use a couple of the NY picks they get moving OG to satisfy everyone here.

[Dverde]

I think the spurs need to pull the trigger on a trade. I think. Thad young and raptors protected top 10 1st is on tbh table.

Teams will sometimes pay more in reaction to other trades made by their rivals, rarely does it makes sense to do trade so early unless you get exactly what you want.

[Ariel]

Most teams are waiting for bigger chips to fall, likely Toronto (OG, Van Vleet, Gary Trent) & Phoenix (trade for a star? Ayton? Crowder?).
Once the bigger moves happen (or it's known they won't), smaller moves will follow. Poeltl may or may not be moved (I think he will but not at our price target), and Richardson is plan C for a lot of teams, meaning he may have to wait until the very end of the deadline.

[Robz4000]

Could be...I just wasn't sure what his injury situation looks like...reports haven't been really detailed..

Didn't even know he got hurt :depressed

[Mr. Body]

Good thing about this years deadline is that there are very few teams that are sellers.

Spurs are in a great position to extract a lot of value.

I don't know if I agree. There are Bogdanovic and Gordon and other players available. Definitely pieces there for teams wanting to shore up contention.

The issue is that the buyers don't have much to work with in terms of picks/assets.

[KobesAchilles]

So anybody actually want this scrub? Or is it just a buncha wishing on our end?

[Leetonidas]

So anybody actually want this scrub? Or is it just a buncha wishing on our end?

I wouldn't expect to see any real trades until next week, probably all on the day before or day of the deadline

[exstatic]

I wouldn't expect to see any real trades until next week, probably all on the day before or day of the deadline

How can people post here for a while, and not realize that almost everything happens after lunchtime on the deadline day? Boston pulling the trigger on White last year in January was beyond bizarre. Almost never happens.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

How can people post here for a while, and not realize that almost everything happens after lunchtime on the deadline day? Boston pulling the trigger on White last year in January was beyond bizarre. Almost never happens.

The White trade was on deadline day, not in january.

[scott]

The White trade was on deadline day, not in january.

Yeah it was the Bryn trade that was in January.

Exact timeline of Spurs transactions last season, since there always seems to be confusion:

-Aug 3: Signed Doug on the first day of Free Agency, which was a late start due to COVID seasons, though the deal wasn't official via S&T until the 7th
-Aug 6: We take part in that big 5 team trade that send Westbrook to the Lakers. Spurs got Wizards SRP and Chandler Hutchinson for Nikola Milutinov
-Aug 11: We S&T Demar to Chicago
-Aug 25: Signed Bryn Forbes. I think this is officially a holiday in San Antonio
-Jan 19: We trade Bryn to the Nuggets. We got back Juancho, cash and a Nuggets 2028 SRP
-Feb 9: We trade Juancho to Utah and we get Storansky and Utah's 2027 SRP
-TRADE DEADLINE FEB 10:
-We trade Drew, Thad and that Wizards 2022 SRP for Dragic and the pick that became Branham
-We trade Derrick for Romeo, Josh, the pick that became Blake, and a top-1 protected swap in 2028
-June 23: We trade rights to Kennedy Chandler (38th overall) to MEM for Lakers 2024 SRP and cash
-June 30: We trade DJM for Gallo, and all dem picks

[CGD]

Yeah it was the Bryn trade that was in January.

Exact timeline of Spurs transactions last season, since there always seems to be confusion:

-Aug 3: Signed Doug on the first day of Free Agency, which was a late start due to COVID seasons, though the deal wasn't official via S&T until the 7th
-Aug 6: We take part in that big 5 team trade that send Westbrook to the Lakers. Spurs got Wizards SRP and Chandler Hutchinson for Nikola Milutinov
-Aug 11: We S&T Demar to Chicago
-Aug 25: Signed Bryn Forbes. I think this is officially a holiday in San Antonio
-Jan 19: We trade Bryn to the Nuggets. We got back Juancho, cash and a Nuggets 2028 SRP
-Feb 9: We trade Juancho to Utah and we get Storansky and Utah's 2027 SRP
-TRADE DEADLINE FEB 10:
-We trade Drew, Thad and that Wizards 2022 SRP for Dragic and the pick that became Branham
-We trade Derrick for Romeo, Josh, the pick that became Blake, and a top-1 protected swap in 2028
-June 23: We trade rights to Kennedy Chandler (38th overall) to MEM for Lakers 2024 SRP and cash
-June 30: We trade DJM for Gallo, and all dem picks

Wow, that’s helpful perspective. What a busy and productive year it was. Wright earned his check for sure.

[Chinook]

It was the Pistons second, not Wizards. The Washington pick went to Sacramento

[scott]

It was the Pistons second, not Wizards. The Washington pick went to Sacramento

Yes that does sound correct. Basketball Reference has it listed without mentioning that it was DET's pick. https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SAS/2022_transactions.html

[spurraider21]

Yeah it was the Bryn trade that was in January.

Exact timeline of Spurs transactions last season, since there always seems to be confusion:

-Aug 3: Signed Doug on the first day of Free Agency, which was a late start due to COVID seasons, though the deal wasn't official via S&T until the 7th
-Aug 6: We take part in that big 5 team trade that send Westbrook to the Lakers. Spurs got Wizards SRP and Chandler Hutchinson for Nikola Milutinov
-Aug 11: We S&T Demar to Chicago
-Aug 25: Signed Bryn Forbes. I think this is officially a holiday in San Antonio
-Jan 19: We trade Bryn to the Nuggets. We got back Juancho, cash and a Nuggets 2028 SRP
-Feb 9: We trade Juancho to Utah and we get Storansky and Utah's 2027 SRP
-TRADE DEADLINE FEB 10:
-We trade Drew, Thad and that Wizards 2022 SRP for Dragic and the pick that became Branham
-We trade Derrick for Romeo, Josh, the pick that became Blake, and a top-1 protected swap in 2028
-June 23: We trade rights to Kennedy Chandler (38th overall) to MEM for Lakers 2024 SRP and cash
-June 30: We trade DJM for Gallo, and all dem picks
theres also the Vonleh trade

[scott]

theres also the Vonleh trade

That was this season.

[Russ]

What is Wiseman's contract status?

(Sorry for the meltdown.)

[JeffDuncan]

What is Wiseman's contract status?



James Wiseman

2022-23, $9.6 M.
2023-24, $12 M. (team option)

[Dverde]

Kuminga and Moses Moody seem to be better prospects at this point than Wiseman. I used to like Wiseman, but it seems he isn’t going to be anything special.

[Thomas82]

James Wiseman

2022-23, $9.6 M.
2023-24, $12 M. (team option)

I have a hard time seeing them pick up that option.

[tonight...you]

What is Wiseman's contract status?

(Sorry for the meltdown.)
It's not cool by any stretch of the imagination and his agent is most likely going to milk his status to it's fullest intent.

Then again... if zero teams sign him...

He could be free game.
I would definitely take a sit back and watch approach instead of being proactive on a player like Wiseman.

[tonight...you]

wrong thread

[KingKev]

I have a hard time seeing them pick up that option.

I think their lux tax multiplier at this point is 3-4x so that final year actually
costs them 30-40mm ish

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I have a hard time seeing them pick up that option.

They've already picked it. It'll cost them a lot and shows they're not ready to accept they've made a huge mistake.

[Thomas82]

They've already picked it. It'll cost them a lot and shows they're not ready to accept they've made a huge mistake.

So they went on and compounded that mistake. I never thought he was a good fit for them in the first place.

[Mr. Body]

The word, I think, is that Wiseman was the pick of the Warriors owner and his failson.

[Dverde]

Wiseman feels like Darko Milicic all over again.

[mo7888]

Wiseman feels like Darko Milicic all over again.

Darko will have the better career when it's all said and done..

[Mr. Body]

Yeah Darko was in the league for a while, even if he wasn't great. The horror with him was that Detroit passed on some HOFs. Wiseman was in a bad draft.

[Ariel]

#2: Darko Milicic
#3: Carmelo Anthony
#4: Chris Bosh
#5: Dwyane Wade
Ouch :lol

[CGD]

#2: Darko Milicic
#3: Carmelo Anthony
#4: Chris Bosh
#5: Dwyane Wade
Ouch :lol

That’s still so disgraceful every time I see it. What that Dumars as GM?

[KingKev]

#2: Darko Milicic
#3: Carmelo Anthony
#4: Chris Bosh
#5: Dwyane Wade
Ouch :lol

They pick any of those three and they could have had a few more chips lol

[Ariel]

That’s still so disgraceful every time I see it. What that Dumars as GM?
Yeah, Dumars was the GM, but Hammond (his second) was Darko's biggest proponent.
There were many factors contributing to that disgraceful pick.
First, we were in the midst of an era of dominant big men, coming from a sandwich of Spurs-3xLakers-Spurs championships that saw Tim & Shaq dominate. So the widespread belief was that you needed to build around a big man, so whenever in doubt, that archetype was heavily favored.
Second, we were at the peak of a Euro hype, after a sudden influx of overseas players (coming from mainly from Europe) like Dirk, Gasol, Yao Ming, TP, Manu and others, meant that no GM wanted to be perceived as the idiot that missed the next overseas great. Before anyone says so, I know Manu is Argentinian, but he was just coming as a Euroleague MVP and was linked to that talent pool (I am Argentinian, in fact). That put in motion the hype pendulum that would swing between highs in Andrea Bargnani @ 1, and lows in Luka @ 5 (recency bias).
Then there was a media campaign lead by ESPN's Chad Ford, who traveled to Serbia and started to write these pieces romanticizing the raw environment of basketball in Eastern Europe as opposed to the US, that made Darko sound like Rocky in the fourth iteration of his saga. I suspect he thought he'd be perceived as the genius that would capture in writing the birth of a legend, and pushed it so much that he ended up buying his own BS and securing his demise (he fell out of favor at ESPN and got fired a few years later). A lot of people found that narrative very appealing.
Then there was the high stakes gambler syndrome. The Pistons had to choose between several very well known prospects to add to an already very good core that would go on to win the championship on the following season. The obvious choice was Carmelo Anthony, who came off a historic season at Syracuse, to the point that many people thought he should go no. 1 even ahead of LeBron.
However, there was this mystery man from afar, who fit the big man, Euro trend, with little to no evidence for him other than a short solo workout, and the Chad Ford fueled hype worked his magic on Pistons' Joe Hammond. They probably figured they'd be the geniuses who saw farther ahead than anyone else, and had the (dis?) advantage of not needing that pick to pan out because they already had a contender in place. So they rolled the dice on the mystery box, and the rest is history.
This story shouldn't be forgotten, as it entails a huge lesson to learn, where concrete evidence pointing to a certain outcome is disregarded in favor of a supposed high gain with little to nothing to support it other than hope. (Samanic, Primo anyone?).

[exstatic]

Yeah, Dumars was the GM, but Hammond (his second) was Darko's biggest proponent.
There were many factors contributing to that disgraceful pick.
First, we were in the midst of an era of dominant big men, coming from a sandwich of Spurs-3xLakers-Spurs championships that saw Tim & Shaq dominate. So the widespread belief was that you needed to build around a big man, so whenever in doubt, that archetype was heavily favored.
Second, we were at the peak of a Euro hype, after a sudden influx of overseas players (coming from mainly from Europe) like Dirk, Gasol, Yao Ming, TP, Manu and others, meant that no GM wanted to be perceived as the idiot that missed the next overseas great. Before anyone says so, I know Manu is Argentinian, but he was just coming as a Euroleague MVP and was linked to that talent pool (I am Argentinian, in fact). That put in motion the hype pendulum that would swing between highs in Andrea Bargnani @ 1, and lows in Luka @ 5 (recency bias).
Then there was a media campaign lead by ESPN's Chad Ford, who traveled to Serbia and started to write these pieces romanticizing the raw environment of basketball in Eastern Europe as opposed to the US, that made Darko sound like Rocky in the fourth iteration of his saga. I suspect he thought he'd be perceived as the genius that would capture in writing the birth of a legend, and pushed it so much that he ended up buying his own BS and securing his demise (he fell out of favor at ESPN and got fired a few years later). A lot of people found that narrative very appealing.
Then there was the high stakes gambler syndrome. The Pistons had to choose between several very well known prospects to add to an already very good core that would go on to win the championship on the following season. The obvious choice was Carmelo Anthony, who came off a historic season at Syracuse, to the point that many people thought he should go no. 1 even ahead of LeBron.
However, there was this mystery man from afar, who fit the big man, Euro trend, with little to no evidence for him other than a short solo workout, and the Chad Ford fueled hype worked his magic on Pistons' Joe Hammond. They probably figured they'd be the geniuses who saw farther ahead than anyone else, and had the (dis?) advantage of not needing that pick to pan out because they already had a contender in place. So they rolled the dice on the mystery box, and the rest is history.
This story shouldn't be forgotten, as it entails a huge lesson to learn, where concrete evidence pointing to a certain outcome is disregarded in favor of a supposed high gain with little to nothing to support it other than hope. (Samanic, Primo anyone?).

Sammich was picked at 19, not near the top of the draft. At that pick number, if you’re NOT taking a big swing, you’re doing it wrong. Primo was picked at #12, another low reward slot. Comparing those to Darko is the worst kind of pretzel logic.

[Ariel]

Sammich was picked at 19, not near the top of the draft. At that pick number, if you’re NOT taking a big swing, you’re doing it wrong. Primo was picked at #12, another low reward slot. Comparing those to Darko is the worst kind of pretzel logic.
Huh? I didn't say those blunders were at the same level, I said the same principle applies and even laid it down for you to assimilate: "concrete evidence pointing to a certain outcome is disregarded in favor of a supposed high gain with little to nothing to support it other than hope".
You can take a CALCULATED swing based on EVIDENCE, the problem is when all there is behind it is HOPE. Not hard to understand, provided your neurons can follow the breadcrumbs.

[exstatic]

Huh? I didn't say those blunders were at the same level, I said the same principle applies and even laid it down for you to assimilate: "concrete evidence pointing to a certain outcome is disregarded in favor of a supposed high gain with little to nothing to support it other than hope".
You can take a CALCULATED swing based on EVIDENCE, the problem is when all there is behind it is HOPE. Not hard to understand, provided your neurons can follow the breadcrumbs.

A big swing is never based on evidence, at least not late in the draft. If there were evidence, Sammich goes top 10.

[R. DeMurre]

^^^ There's an interesting debate going on now amongst some Twitter draft guru types on the Floor vs Upside topic, and it centers on Golden State, who choose guys like Wiseman and Kuminga based on their perceived higher upside, while passing on guys like Franz Wagner and Tyrese Haliburton, who were (very) High Floor guys. I think it's a good debate-- guys who concretely demonstrate that they can be extremely effective players/leaders in college often have a lot of value, and often the perceived "shortcomings" with things like raw athleticism can be overstated-- think Jokic, Doncic, and even someone like Walker Kessler from last year's draft. For me, a lot of the time, the so-called higher upside concept can frequently be based more on stereotypes and hopes than anything else.. one of the first times I noticed this was in the 2008 draft, where many in the Kevin Love vs Micheal Beasley debate argued that Love was the "high IQ" guy and Beasley was supposedly the Uber Athlete with the higher upside... but in truth their agility and leaping numbers at the combine were remarkably similar, which shouldn't have been the case since Love was a big and Beasley was a combo forward. That year, there was another player-- Joe Alexander from West Virginia-- who crushed the combine with historically good test scores, and was drafted at #8 mainly because he was perceived as one of the best athletes in the class. He never panned out. I don't think there's a one-philosophy-fits-all when it comes to draft analysis-- there are so many factors and nuances from team to team, player to player, and year to year. But I think it's worth noting that High Upside isn't necessarily a better option than Very High Floor in many instances.

[scott]

Curry out for some period of time. Warriors might be ready to pull the plug on this season, fully taking them out of the Jak contention (if they were still contemplating it at all)

[mo7888]

Curry out for some period of time. Warriors might be ready to pull the plug on this season, fully taking them out of the Jak contention (if they were still contemplating it at all)

You'd think they'd want to dump salary and lower their tax bill....but how much and who?

[szkorhetz]

Jakob on the new look Mavs makes a ton of sense.

[CGD]

Curry out for some period of time. Warriors might be ready to pull the plug on this season, fully taking them out of the Jak contention (if they were still contemplating it at all)

Agree, but I think Jakob was never a serious fit there. Still think Raptors and Celtics make the most sense.

[CGD]

Jakob on the new look Mavs makes a ton of sense.

Interesting.

Doug + Jakob for Bert would be an interesting framework except I don’t think Dallas has the draft capital now to entice the Spurs.

[Chinook]

If the Spurs still like Wiseman while GS is over him, you could see a deal happen even if Curry's out for a while. Maybe it could involve Collins rather than Poeltl given that Zach fits in that offense and has option value whereas the Spurs wouldn't be punting on a first-rounder they could get for Poeltl from another deal.

[JPB]

Yeah, Dumars was the GM, but Hammond (his second) was Darko's biggest proponent.
There were many factors contributing to that disgraceful pick.
First, we were in the midst of an era of dominant big men, coming from a sandwich of Spurs-3xLakers-Spurs championships that saw Tim & Shaq dominate. So the widespread belief was that you needed to build around a big man, so whenever in doubt, that archetype was heavily favored.
Second, we were at the peak of a Euro hype, after a sudden influx of overseas players (coming from mainly from Europe) like Dirk, Gasol, Yao Ming, TP, Manu and others, meant that no GM wanted to be perceived as the idiot that missed the next overseas great. Before anyone says so, I know Manu is Argentinian, but he was just coming as a Euroleague MVP and was linked to that talent pool (I am Argentinian, in fact). That put in motion the hype pendulum that would swing between highs in Andrea Bargnani @ 1, and lows in Luka @ 5 (recency bias).
Then there was a media campaign lead by ESPN's Chad Ford, who traveled to Serbia and started to write these pieces romanticizing the raw environment of basketball in Eastern Europe as opposed to the US, that made Darko sound like Rocky in the fourth iteration of his saga. I suspect he thought he'd be perceived as the genius that would capture in writing the birth of a legend, and pushed it so much that he ended up buying his own BS and securing his demise (he fell out of favor at ESPN and got fired a few years later). A lot of people found that narrative very appealing.
Then there was the high stakes gambler syndrome. The Pistons had to choose between several very well known prospects to add to an already very good core that would go on to win the championship on the following season. The obvious choice was Carmelo Anthony, who came off a historic season at Syracuse, to the point that many people thought he should go no. 1 even ahead of LeBron.
However, there was this mystery man from afar, who fit the big man, Euro trend, with little to no evidence for him other than a short solo workout, and the Chad Ford fueled hype worked his magic on Pistons' Joe Hammond. They probably figured they'd be the geniuses who saw farther ahead than anyone else, and had the (dis?) advantage of not needing that pick to pan out because they already had a contender in place. So they rolled the dice on the mystery box, and the rest is history.
This story shouldn't be forgotten, as it entails a huge lesson to learn, where concrete evidence pointing to a certain outcome is disregarded in favor of a supposed high gain with little to nothing to support it other than hope. (Samanic, Primo anyone?).

You just summed up why I wouldn't trade 2 or 3 for 6 and 9... Never try to be smartest cat in the room but just evaluate "facts" and risks .

[cd98]

Spurs did a good job of positioning themselves if the opportunity came. But I just don't see it coming. I don't think they make any trades at the deadline. I just don't. And while it would've been possible if the Lakers were like a 5th seed, the fact that they are just as likely to not make even the play-in tells you that they are not going to pull the trigger and trade away their two first rounders. I mean, unless they could get Durant or something like that and I just don't think they have the assets to pull that kind of deal off and certainly they don't have the time.

[baseline bum]

Interesting.

Doug + Jakob for Bert would be an interesting framework except I don’t think Dallas has the draft capital now to entice the Spurs.

2027 unprotected would do it

[MultiTroll]

Kywie Irving just traded to Dallas.

[Degoat]

I have doubts the spurs trade Jakob tbh I think the likeliest scenario is JRich and Zach get traded

[rascal]

I have doubts the spurs trade Jakob tbh I think the likeliest scenario is JRich and Zach get traded

Spurs asking price might be too high for any trade to happen.

[CGD]

I have doubts the spurs trade Jakob tbh I think the likeliest scenario is JRich and Zach get traded

I agree especially if the possibility of a S&T option is available in the summer. Spurs will also have the benefit of knowing what happened in the draft which will inform their own interest in keeping him or not.

[cd98]

I think we stand pat. We've been doing well at winning the lottery. No need to change things right now.

[poopbox]

Just trade this dude for a lottery protected first and get it over with.

[DesignatedT]

If he isn't gonna take the 4/$58 deal then yeah just get some sort of first for him before he walks. If he takes the max extension that's even better.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Trade him to Boston, let him ring and then re-sign him in the offseason. Best of both worlds.

[wildbill2u]

R. Demurri: Funny you should mention Kevin Love. I just looked him up the other day and he is still putting up decent numbers after a long career although his minutes have gone down for the last few years.

[TD 21]

The Spurs have made Isaiah Roby, Josh Richardson, and Doug McDermott available and are looking to be the third team that takes on salary for assets to facilitate deals.

I’ve written a lot about how high the demand is for capable centers on the market. In tandem with that, the asking price for Spurs center Jakob Poeltl on an extension is high enough (well north of $15 million per year) to make bidders think twice.

NBA Trade Intel: What I'm Hearing on Knicks, Jazz, Nuggets, More (actionnetwork.com) (https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-knicks-jazz-nuggets-deadline-rumors)

[KingKev]

Isaiah Roby isn’t worth a heavily protected 2029 SRP. Just get him off of waivers or from the G league

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs have made Isaiah Roby, Josh Richardson, and Doug McDermott available and are looking to be the third team that takes on salary for assets to facilitate deals.

I’ve written a lot about how high the demand is for capable centers on the market. In tandem with that, the asking price for Spurs center Jakob Poeltl on an extension is high enough (well north of $15 million per year) to make bidders think twice.

NBA Trade Intel: What I'm Hearing on Knicks, Jazz, Nuggets, More (actionnetwork.com) (https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-knicks-jazz-nuggets-deadline-rumors)

Smells like writerly bullshit. Of course Isaiah Roby is available. The other two have been available for a while. Fifteen mil a year is not too much for a good center nowadays. It's less than what Myles Turner makes per.

[scott]

Next they’re going to tell us KBD is available. The horror!

[KingKev]

Next they’re going to tell us KBD is available. The horror!
@John B proclaimed his as the next Danny Green so he is basically untouchable. Def worth an unprotected FRP. He has been coached by COACH POP and is a GREAT SOLDIER. He scored 30 pts once.

[scott]

@John B proclaimed his as the next Danny Green so he is basically untouchable. Def worth an unprotected FRP. He has been coached by COACH POP and is a GREAT SOLDIER. He scored 30 pts once.

I didn’t believe we were truly tanking until just now.

[tonight...you]

@John B proclaimed his as the next Danny Green so he is basically untouchable. Def worth an unprotected FRP. He has been coached by COACH POP and is a GREAT SOLDIER. He scored 30 pts once.
You have the way you fan out and John has the way he fans out.
He ain't doing anybody harm.
I don't see a reason to go after him for him being overly optimistic except to just be a hurtful dude.

[KingKev]

You have the way you fan out and John has the way he fans out.
He ain't doing anybody harm.
I don't see a reason to go after him for him being overly optimistic except to just be a hurtful dude.

Forum members need to back up their hope floats for 12th-15th men. Coach Pop can’t turn Stanley Johnson into Kahwhi Leonard. David Robinson can’t turn every player into a dominate big man, Manu can’t turn Branham into a 6th man facilitator and Chip England’s successor can’t turn Wesley into Steph Curry.

No one gives AF about KBD, Langford, Barlow, Bassey, Roby, hell I could go on for days. These guys have ZERO trade value.

[scott]

Yo, leave my man Bassey out of this.

[KingKev]

Yo, leave my man Bassey out of this.

I hope he gets a chance to prove his worth.

[tonight...you]

Forum members need to back up their hope floats for 12th-15th men. Coach Pop can’t turn Stanley Johnson into Kahwhi Leonard. David Robinson can’t turn every player into a dominate big man, Manu can’t turn Branham into a 6th man facilitator and Chip England’s successor can’t turn Wesley into Steph Curry.

No one gives AF about KBD, Langford, Barlow, Bassey, Roby, hell I could go on for days. These guys have ZERO trade value.
You can think so and demand so. I get and respect that.
I don't even disagree with your assessments, generally.
I, myself, think fans can be fans and let their own expectations let themselves down as they go.
No need to berate, belittle, or bully unless they decide to be the aggresor to others and you.

[offset formation]

Yo, leave my man Bassey out of this.

Langford too. Dude has abilities on both ends. Just needs consistent run, health, and confidence.

[KingKev]

Langford too. Dude has abilities on both ends. Just needs consistent run, health, and confidence.

Let’s not mistake that for trade value. Ppl have been asking if we are “showcasing” guys like KBD. That is a joke. Langford, Zollins and Tre Jones have small trade value (and I like all 3) as throw ins or sweeteners on a bigger deal.

[offset formation]

Let’s not mistake that for trade value. Ppl have been asking if we are “showcasing” guys like KBD. That is a joke. Langford, Zollins and Tre Jones have small trade value (and I like all 3) as throw ins or sweeteners on a bigger deal.

Understand and agree. He could build value in time though if things fall the right way.

[SequSpur]

Poetl is the only big man in the NBA that can't shoot threes. Nobody wants this dude. Cmon man!

[XDT76]

Poetl is the only big man in the NBA that can't shoot threes. Nobody wants this dude. Cmon man!
Are Drummond and McGee now playing guards?

[SequSpur]

Are Drummond and McGee now playing guards? oh my bad... forgot he is in the category as them two horrible big men too

[BackHome]

Forum members need to back up their hope floats for 12th-15th men. Coach Pop can’t turn Stanley Johnson into Kahwhi Leonard. David Robinson can’t turn every player into a dominate big man, Manu can’t turn Branham into a 6th man facilitator and Chip England’s successor can’t turn Wesley into Steph Curry.

No one gives AF about KBD, Langford, Barlow, Bassey, Roby, hell I could go on for days. These guys have ZERO trade value.

It really doesn’t matter what you think it what a GM thinks - I have seen a lot of shitty trades in the NBA just like drafting it just takes one team to like you to get picked or traded.

[KingKev]

It really doesn’t matter what you think it what a GM thinks - I have seen a lot of shitty trades in the NBA just like drafting it just takes one team to like you to get picked or traded.

Yeah I guess you are spot on there. Drafting Primo is a prime example even before his side hobby was exposed.

All of those players I mentioned if a GM had a hard on would still only get you are a few SRPs at most.

[Ariel]

Keldon's stock isn't at its highest. He's under contract for 4 seasons beyond this one, and it's front loaded. If he improves his efficiency (which IMO he could do with a better supporting cast where he's not no. 1 option), given the structure of his contract and the projected cap raise, he'll become a bargain and his trade value could go up significantly. I'd hold on to him for a year or so, unless we get an offer "we can't refuse".
Tre has value as a projected good backup, I'd keep him unless a) his salary demands are too high, b) we land Scoot c) the offer is too good (unlikely at this point).
Vassell should keep improving, no reason to trade him unless extension talks go awry

[mo7888]

Keldon's stock isn't at its highest. He's under contract for 4 seasons beyond this one, and it's front loaded. If he improves his efficiency (which IMO he could do with a better supporting cast where he's not no. 1 option), given the structure of his contract and the projected cap raise, he'll become a bargain and his trade value could go up significantly. I'd hold on to him for a year or so, unless we get an offer "we can't refuse".
Tre has value as a projected good backup, I'd keep him unless a) his salary demands are too high, b) we land Scoot c) the offer is too good (unlikely at this point).
Vassell should keep improving, no reason to trade him unless extension talks go awry

I'd wait on Keldon too... if you're gonna move him I'd think the draft would be the earliest you'd want to do that... but he had netter numbers playing as a 2nd option next to DJ last year and I don't think DJ creates that much gravity...so unless it's a real good offer I'd keep him and play him as a 2nd or 3rd option again.

[KingKev]

Keldon's stock isn't at its highest. He's under contract for 4 seasons beyond this one, and it's front loaded. If he improves his efficiency (which IMO he could do with a better supporting cast where he's not no. 1 option), given the structure of his contract and the projected cap raise, he'll become a bargain and his trade value could go up significantly. I'd hold on to him for a year or so, unless we get an offer "we can't refuse".
Tre has value as a projected good backup, I'd keep him unless a) his salary demands are too high, b) we land Scoot c) the offer is too good (unlikely at this point).
Vassell should keep improving, no reason to trade him unless extension talks go awry


Agreed.

Keldon was set up to fail this year unfortunately as he became the man by default. My hopes for him were that he could piggy back on last year and with his slimmed down physique and repatriation to the 3 he could improve as a defender plus maybe show a little savvy to find his teammates when the defence collapses.

His contract it still a great asset as you mentioned and will never be under water. I still see the most likely scenario as him being moved in the next 12-18 months unless he adds another dynamic to his game be it consistent 3pt shooting on volume or impactful defender/rebounder.

Vassell is more of a natural scorer and his size and length at the two should hopefully help him become an impactful defender. If he signs a Keldon type deal his clock starts ticking also.

I wouldn’t overpay Tre Jones but we may have to as he is needed as our only true PG be it for stability and consistency and to help the rest of the young team develop. I think it may surprise ppl what he gets this offseason. Might not be far off from 15/yr on a shorter deal than Keldon/Vassell.

[MannyIsGod]

There's no fucking way tre is getting anywhere near 15 per from the spurs. That's insane.

[The Truth #6]

It feels like consensus has turned against Keldon, I think unfairly in some ways. He has some great skills but also limitations. I like that he gets to the rim often. I hope he can improve his passing, that would be helpful.

It’s a shitty season. Pop deemphasizing defense hasn’t been good for Keldon.

[Manuismyhomeboy]

Well we just traded for Dedmon…Poetel on his way out?

[Ariel]

Well we just traded for Dedmon…Poetel on his way out?
Sure. Nothing says we no longer need our starting center like getting Dewayne Dedmon.

[SPURt]

Sure. Nothing says we no longer need our starting center like getting Dewayne Dedmon.
:lmao Spurstalk is undefeated

[cd98]

Agreed.

Keldon was set up to fail this year unfortunately as he became the man by default. My hopes for him were that he could piggy back on last year and with his slimmed down physique and repatriation to the 3 he could improve as a defender plus maybe show a little savvy to find his teammates when the defence collapses.

His contract it still a great asset as you mentioned and will never be under water. I still see the most likely scenario as him being moved in the next 12-18 months unless he adds another dynamic to his game be it consistent 3pt shooting on volume or impactful defender/rebounder.

Vassell is more of a natural scorer and his size and length at the two should hopefully help him become an impactful defender. If he signs a Keldon type deal his clock starts ticking also.

I wouldn’t overpay Tre Jones but we may have to as he is needed as our only true PG be it for stability and consistency and to help the rest of the young team develop. I think it may surprise ppl what he gets this offseason. Might not be far off from 15/yr on a shorter deal than Keldon/Vassell.

Man, I think Keldon will be just fine. Neither he nor Vassell register as best player on a team, but they do register as NBA starters. They'll be fine. Both are years away from their primes. They are good players. Add a couple lottery picks on rookie salaries and we'll be good in short order if we draft/develop right. We aren't the Sacramento Kings. Johnson has been a solid scorer and would be top notch with a little improvement on defense and three point shooting. That's clearly within his reach and he clearly shows the drive to improve.

[KobesAchilles]

So does anybody actually want this guy? Seems like every contender would be chomping at the bit to get a Top 10 Center. Spurstalk takes here man :lmao

[Ariel]

Dedmon's contract for next season is non guaranteed. This season we're below he minimum salary, so taking in his contract doesn't cost one dollar. Also, Miami is sending US a 2028 2nd round pick. So this is mainly about finance and flexibility on he part of the Heat, and we get a 2nd round pick for helping out. Can Poeltl be traded besides this deal? sure. But this doesn't necessarily mean anything in that regard.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Man, I think Keldon will be just fine. Neither he nor Vassell register as best player on a team, but they do register as NBA starters. They'll be fine. Both are years away from their primes. They are good players. Add a couple lottery picks on rookie salaries and we'll be good in short order if we draft/develop right. We aren't the Sacramento Kings. Johnson has been a solid scorer and would be top notch with a little improvement on defense and three point shooting. That's clearly within his reach and he clearly shows the drive to improve.

No, if we were the Kings we would have drafted Haliburton and actually would have an all-star caliber player.

[KingKev]

So does anybody actually want this guy? Seems like every contender would be chomping at the bit to get a Top 10 Center. Spurstalk takes here man :lmao

Crazy nobody want’s to pay multiple FRPs for the chance to pay Jak 80m/4yrs in free agency

Crazy!!!!!!

[rjv]

damn. i come in here for updates and get trapped in that damn ST loop each time.

[Mr. Body]

damn. i come in here for updates and get trapped in that damn ST loop each time.

Come back earlier on Thursday.

[Ariel]

If that offer from Boston that involved turning the protected '28 swap into an unprotected pick still holds, I'd seriously consider taking it. Boston is unlikely to keep Jakob long term at his price range and we can still put in a serious offer in free agency, so I'd take the value now which for a rental is pretty good, and gamble we can sign him for the long term later, which in the end may or may not happen whether we trade him or not, so might as well take something now.

[cd98]

No, if we were the Kings we would have drafted Haliburton and actually would have an all-star caliber player.

Well they were like 1 for 13 in the lottery. But the Kings traded Haliburton, so the Kings.

[SpursGuy91]

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[buttsR4rebounding]

Well they were like 1 for 13 in the lottery. But the Kings traded Haliburton, so the Kings.

And got another all-star back.

[scott]

I don’t have a subscription to the Athletic, but apparently they are saying the Wizards have emerged as a team interested in Jak… which is interesting.

[KingKev]

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Fucking do it. GTJ could be flipped this summer. Any draft compensation is a bonus.

Worst comes to worst he is a perfect tank commander for years to come. He’d be dropping 40 a night on this current Spurs team.

[Mr. Body]

TOR seems confident they can move Anunoby for three FRPs. Obvs. it depends on where those picks are. But it might make them feel more comfortable getting closer to the Jakob Poeltl asking price.

I don't know enough about Trent to know why they're moving him. He seems like the type of efficient shooter lots of teams are looking for right now they way there's a market for Eric Gordon. He pushes against the logjam of guards this team is trying to develop, so I dunno what the shortterm is.

[Mr. Body]

I see Trent has a player option for $18.5 million next year. Yikes.

[timvp]

I see Trent has a player option for $18.5 million next year. Yikes.
He's opting out.

[Mr. Body]

He's opting out.

He's going to make more than that?

[timvp]

As I wrote in the article, Trent's involvement is in a three team trade -- not him coming to SA. I'll look into it now though. Maybe it changed and Spurs would hold onto him with hopes of getting better value for him down the road...

[timvp]

He's going to make more than that?

Yeah. He'll get $20+ million a year on the open market.

[exstatic]

I see Trent has a player option for $18.5 million next year. Yikes.

Yeah. If he doesn’t pick that up, you’re left with whatever draft capital you got.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah. He'll get $20+ million a year on the open market.

And people think it's wild Poeltl is worth less than that?

[MultiTroll]

Is Trent a threat to the tank?

[KingKev]

He's going to make more than that?

absolutely getting 20-25mm a year on a longer term deal. Not saying i’d pay him that but GTJ is > Keldon or Vassell.

[Ariel]

I would be careful of swapping Poeltl for GTJ without a first on top, mainly because Poeltl's market Is more restricted and it'll be easier to resign him or force a S&T, whereas GTJ is more likely to walk outright.

[RC_Drunkford]

They should do the trade before the game tonight, so they can switch teams and suit up for the other one right away :lol

[Degoat]

I like Gary Trent Jr tbh but he would hurt the tank

[mo7888]

I like Gary Trent Jr tbh but he would hurt the tank

Nah...he and Keldon without Jak protecting the rim would give up 150 points a night.....might be fun to watch though..

[RC_Drunkford]

I would love to get that 2023 Raptors pick

[CGD]

Read that Wizards registering interest in ol’ Jake. Deni Avideh?

[Ariel]

I would love to get that 2023 Raptors pick
I think you'd have a better chance of looking up and catching a flying pig.
Hope I have to eat my words, though. They'd be tasty.

[Ariel]

If Poeltl is going to the Raptors, it could make sense to get back Koloko in the package. Maybe GTJ + future protected first (not '23) or Koloko?

[Ariel]

If it's Washington, they can't trade a pick until '28 or '29. An unprotected '28 pick would be great.

[CGD]

As I wrote in the article, Trent's involvement is in a three team trade -- not him coming to SA. I'll look into it now though. Maybe it changed and Spurs would hold onto him with hopes of getting better value for him down the road...

Is the 3rd team Phoenix or New York?

[Twisted_Dawg]

If Trent and Poeltl don't play tonight, then something might be in the works.

[The Truth #6]

They should do the trade before the game tonight, so they can switch teams and suit up for the other one right away :lol

Or trade him at half time and he switches in the second half??

[Seventyniner]

Or trade him at half time and he switches in the second half??

h9KvKRCD1mc

[buttsR4rebounding]

Poeltl is the only starter not on the injury report for tonight's game. If he sits tonight he has probably played his last game as a Spur this season. Although I can see the Spurs trading him and also trying to re-sign him in the offseason.

[spurs10]

:wakeup

[The Truth #6]

h9KvKRCD1mc

Ha. It will be hilarious if he gets traded to another team and then starts playing totally differently… Shooting three pointers, etc…

[buttsR4rebounding]

Ha. It will be hilarious if he gets traded to another team and then starts playing totally differently… Shooting three pointers, etc…

He shot a 3 the other night...he'll be a stretch 5 before you know it.

[exstatic]

Poeltl is the only starter not on the injury report for tonight's game. If he sits tonight he has probably played his last game as a Spur this season. Although I can see the Spurs trading him and also trying to re-sign him in the offseason.

No one would ever trade with us again.

[buttsR4rebounding]

No one would ever trade with us again.

Because there is such honor throughout the NBA. As soon as it is a team's best interest to trade with us they will. Maybe the team he is traded to has a beef, but unlikely anyone else would give a rat's ass.

[KingKev]

Because there is such honor throughout the NBA. As soon as it is a team's best interest to trade with us they will. Maybe the team he is traded to has a beef, but unlikely anyone else would give a rat's ass.

Yeah, not all front offices are as stubborn as PATFO. Most GM’s don’t have an unlimited leash and actually
value winning.

[RC_Drunkford]

Or trade him at half time and he switches in the second half??

I like that idea :lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Read that Wizards registering interest in ol’ Jake. Deni Avideh?

Hard to say what the Wizards would give up. They are $400,000 over the luxury tax threshold so you know that they are going to want to send out enough on any trade to get below that. Delon Wright plus Taj Gibson plus draft compensation works. Wright has another year at $8 million. That could be insurance against Tre getting an offer the Spurs don't want to match. I'd actually rate Wright as better than Tre. Tre gets to the basket better, but Wright is a better passer, defender and shooter. Gibson is washed, but so is Dieng.

[exstatic]

Hard to say what the Wizards would give up. They are $400,000 over the luxury tax threshold so you know that they are going to want to send out enough on any trade to get below that. Delon Wright plus Taj Gibson plus draft compensation works. Wright has another year at $8 million. That could be insurance against Tre getting an offer the Spurs don't want to match. I'd actually rate Wright as better than Tre. Tre gets to the basket better, but Wright is a better passer, defender and shooter. Gibson is washed, but so is Dieng.

I can’t see them taking Wright for another year. He is almost 31. If Tre bounces, we can just run point by committee.

We need salary to make the floor. I’d rather just take Will Barton and draft comp.

[stnick2261]

If it's Washington, they can't trade a pick until '28 or '29. An unprotected '28 pick would be great.

Absolute dream scenario: We get Washington's '28 unprotected pick. Lottery comes around and Washington wins #1.... Boston wins #2... and we have both picks

[Ariel]

OK, another scenario as Boston's interest surfaces again: Poeltl for Gallinari, Pritchard, unrestricted '28 Boston pick (promoted from swap). Please, someone offer something, for God sakes! :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

OK, another scenario as Boston's interest surfaces again: Poeltl for Gallinari, Pritchard, unrestricted '28 Boston pick (promoted from swap). Please, someone offer something, for God sakes! :lol

I'd prefer Trent Jr. and Raptors 2023 pick

[heyheymymy]

Spurs:

Danilo Gallinari (13.2mm guaranteed, 6.4mm 22/23 torn ACL out for season and 6.8mm 23/24)
Peyton Prichard (2.1mm 22/23 and 4mm team option 23/24)
BOS 2026 FRP (lightly protected?)
BOS 2028 FRP (swap lifted, SA gets pick unprotected)

Celtics:

Poeltl

[Ariel]

I'd prefer Trent Jr. and Raptors 2023 pick
I didn't read that option anywhere, but in any case, I'm pretty certain Masai isn't giving up an unprotected, projected high lottery pick, with a real shot at Wemby, for a better than average center at an expiring contract. That on top of Trent Jr. If a 1st round pick is involved, it's likely protected, and in the distant future.

[Ariel]

It's interesting to note that Gallinari's contract is FULLY GUARANTEED and RUNS ONE MORE SEASON BEYOND THIS ONE. So basically we wouldn't just be trading them Poeltl, we'd be taking an extra 6M a year for one more year. So they're both adding a valuable piece, and dumping an undesirable contract. That elevates the price tag.

[mo7888]

It's interesting to note that Gallinari's contract is FULLY GUARANTEED and RUNS ONE MORE SEASON BEYOND THIS ONE. So basically we wouldn't just be trading them Poeltl, we'd be taking an extra 6M a year for one more year. So they're both adding a valuable piece, and dumping an undesirable contract. That elevates the price tag.

I'm that case we might keep Galinari into the summer and assess options then.

[scott]

I didn't read that option anywhere, but in any case, I'm pretty certain Masai isn't giving up an unprotected, projected high lottery pick, with a real shot at Wemby, for a better than average center at an expiring contract. That on top of Trent Jr. If a 1st round pick is involved, it's likely protected, and in the distant future.

TOR pick top 2 or 4 protected would be best case scenario, but it requires Masai to believe this is a weak draft class. Top 8 protected still runs too high of a risk of not conveying.

[heyheymymy]

maybe lift those protections on the 26 pick then lol

2 clean FRPs

I might throw in that MIA 2028 2RP to seal the deal

[Dverde]

No way Raptors giving up their pick this year.

[mo7888]

TOR pick top 2 or 4 protected would be best case scenario, but it requires Masai to believe this is a weak draft class. Top 8 protected still runs too high of a risk of not conveying.

Top 8 is fine as long as the protection drops to top 4 next season and unprotected after that...

[Ariel]

I'm that case we might keep Galinari into the summer and assess options then.
Gallinari is unlikely to be of any use on the court for the remainder of his contract. He'll be a negative asset until next trade deadline, where he could be used as an expiring filler in a larger trade.

[scott]

No way Raptors giving up their pick this year.

I tend to agree, unless Masai feels this is a weak draft. I really want us to find a way into the back end of the lottery for a guy like Black.

I'd even go as far to offer:

Jak + 2025 SAS FRP (unprotected) for Top 2 Protected TOR pick in 2023 (unprotected in 2024 if does not convey).

I'm assuming we will be better than ATL by 2025, but you can send theirs instead of ours if we think we'll still be rebuilding.

[poopbox]

Raptors pining to get Poeltl back is pretty weird

[exstatic]

I'd prefer Trent Jr. and Raptors 2023 pick

That’s a fever dream. No one is trading a potential lottery pick at the deadline.

[The Truth #6]

Gallinari is unlikely to be of any use on the court for the remainder of his contract. He'll be a negative asset until next trade deadline, where he could be used as an expiring filler in a larger trade.

What a great life he has.

[mo7888]

Gallinari is unlikely to be of any use on the court for the remainder of his contract. He'll be a negative asset until next trade deadline, where he could be used as an expiring filler in a larger trade.

That's my point...

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1623475975878021121

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Why do PATFO want Gary Trent Jr. so badly is the real question. Weird trade tbh.

[Robz4000]

Why do PATFO want Gary Trent Jr. so badly is the real question. Weird trade tbh.

Pop loves no-defense chuckers tbh.

[BatManu20]

Gotta see what the actual package is if he gets moved back to TOR. If we’re getting a pick from them, I imagine it’s pretty heavily protected.

[Ariel]

Why do PATFO want Gary Trent Jr. so badly is the real question. Weird trade tbh.
I don't think it's the Spurs that want Gary Trent Jr so bad, but probably more like:
1) They feel they NEED to move Poeltl now (floor raising vet on an expiring contract)
2) They can't get what they would like (2 firsts)
3) They have to be flexible in order to extract as much value as possible (taking back players, contracts, etc).
Personally I'm not against taking back Gary Trent Jr, but I think we should not do that without an extra first, mainly because I'm less confident in our ability to extract value from him as a S&T than I am with Poeltl, due what I perceive to be more teams targeting him with enough cap space to sign him outright, as opposed to Poeltl whose suitors are likely contenders over the cap (except for maybe OKC).

[KingKev]

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Perfect. One protected FRP with an expiring is his value. Get it done.

[KingKev]

Pop loves no-defense chuckers tbh.

GTJ would be our second best guaed/wing behind Langford.

[Robz4000]

GTJ would be our second best guaed/wing behind Langford.

Did Vassell die tbh?

[KingKev]

Did Vassell die tbh?

On defence? He never was birthed.

[spurraider21]

are people still convinced that poeltl's play isnt hurting his value?

[Mr. Body]

are people still convinced that poeltl's play isnt hurting his value?

Has absolutely nothing to do with this. Unless you think GMs are infants who are weeks old.

[KingKev]

Has absolutely nothing to do with this. Unless you think GMs are infants who are weeks old.

It absolutely does. Mason Plumlee and Jak are both worth an SRP at this point.

[K...]

are people still convinced that poeltl's play isnt hurting his value?

more to do with good teams being tapped out of value and playing late against the clock

[Dverde]

I’m still in the camp of keeping him and trying to re-sign him.

[DPG21920]

are people still convinced that poeltl's play isnt hurting his value?

This is part of the risk I spoke about and got crap for. and people want to pay him 20M like that helps his value?

[DPG21920]

It absolutely does. Mason Plumlee and Jak are both worth an SRP at this point.

Bet?

[Robz4000]

On defence? He never was birthed.

Still leagues better than Trent Jr. tbh.

[KingKev]

Still leagues better than Trent Jr. tbh.

Trent has shown periods where he is far more active and disruptive in the passing lanes. Vassell has not ever shown that.

[Mr. Body]

It absolutely does. Mason Plumlee and Jak are both worth an SRP at this point.

Lol, you must think GMs try to trade for a scrub who gets 30 points in some random game. Dumb.

[Robz4000]

Trent has shown periods where he is far more active and disruptive in the passing lanes. Vassell has not ever shown that.

:lol the fuck?

[Joseph Kony]

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Who??? :lol

[KingKev]

Lol, you must think GMs try to trade for a scrub who gets 30 points in some random game. Dumb.

Yeah like half this board with KBD. Jak is a solid role player yet still not that valuable.

[BatManu20]

The way Jak is playing tonight, Toronto may have changed their minds already tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

If the Raptors add in Delano then you have to get that trade done. That guy is just oozing with potential. In a few years time, I’m sure he will be an all star with the proper development. Sure I’ve never heard of him and sure he is a rando scrub. but here on Spurstalk, he will get his own thread “oversized birdcage of Banton.” There will be endless debate about him and his floor/ceiling, and people will clamor Patfo has done it again when he scores 15 points in game 81 of the season on 5 three point makes.

[Robz4000]

The way Jak is playing tonight, Toronto may have changed their minds already tbh.

On the plus side, if this level of play continues it'll drag down his market value this Summer so the Spurs wouldn't have to pay him as much to retain him.

[Leetonidas]

The way Jak is playing tonight, Toronto may have changed their minds already tbh.

Nah he's lowkey helping his new team win :lol

[Mr. Body]

Christ, you people. They traded for Thad Young and he didn't even play all year. Why are you continually idiotic about this point?

[DPG21920]

If spurs get TOR pick plus GTJ that is a solid haul especially if they can flip GTJ for another pick.

[KingKev]

Christ, you people. They traded for Thad Young and he didn't even play all year. Why are you continually idiotic about this point?

It was a pick swap with salary cap benefits for the Raps. They drafted Koloko and we drafted Branham. Both decent draft picks.

[poopbox]

On defence? He never was birthed.

:lmao

It is funny that devin best defensive year was his rookie year.

[Mr. Body]

It was a pick swap with salary cap benefits for the Raps. They drafted Koloko and we drafted Branham. Both decent draft picks.

They literally wanted Thad Young. This "showcasing players" or "he's playing us out of a draft pick" is just stupid. It doesn't happen that way. Just stop.