Woj: Poeltl to the Raps

[CGD]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1623698161729429504

Excellent!

[couchman]

If you're on the other side, why does Toronto give up anything at all for a 3 month rental of a player who becomes an UFA after that?
Especially if you're not currently in playoff contention?
They must be desperate to fix the roster and make the playoffs.

Great trade for the Spurs.

[Ariel]

Both Duren and Eason could have been had so cheaply.
Yeah, that's my only gripe with the past draft. I have to believe Charlotte didn't really give teams enough chance at #13, otherwise it's difficult to see how they couldn't get a better offer. And I wanted to get a second lottery pick for Eason all along, he lasted all the way down to #17 and was there for the taking, he was a bargain at that point.

[heyheymymy]

damn that's fire protections terms for SAs advantage

that TOR 2023 2RP is going to be juicy at #39. Hello Amari Bailey or Jordan Walsh.

[heyheymymy]

Probably Boston pick is a late FRP compared to Toronto.

This KL trade is now 4FRP & 3SRP Not bad at all.

good call - I didn't think about that but you're right, it's time to update the Kawhi Leonard trade cascade

[Eaglenole2002]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/02/spurs-declined-celtics-trade-offer-for-jakob-poeltl-that-included-second-round-picks-players.html
League sources tell MassLive that Boston offered Payton Pritchard, Danilo Gallinari and multiple future second-round picks for the big man ahead of Thursday’s deal.

[Leetonidas]

Looking over some Raps forums and they all seem to pretty upset about the protections on the pick :lol lot of "Spurs fleeced us again!" commentary. Just returning the favor for us getting hoodwinked in the KL trade

[Mr. Body]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/02/spurs-declined-celtics-trade-offer-for-jakob-poeltl-that-included-second-round-picks-players.html
League sources tell MassLive that Boston offered Payton Pritchard, Danilo Gallinari and multiple future second-round picks for the big man ahead of Thursday’s deal.

Glad they passed.

[DPG21920]

hahaha stay calm next time DPG :)

Never lol - my mind immediately goes to overdrive…to be fair, as loud as I was, I did also say that I know the pick protection matters and would make picture clearer

[jjspur]

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2023/02/spurs-declined-celtics-trade-offer-for-jakob-poeltl-that-included-second-round-picks-players.html
League sources tell MassLive that Boston offered Payton Pritchard, Danilo Gallinari and multiple future second-round picks for the big man ahead of Thursday’s deal.

Glad they went with the Toronto offer. That Boston offer is crap.

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1623698161729429504

If that's true then I'm happy with the trade.

[slick'81]

If that's true then I'm happy with the trade.

could of been much worse. Pretty much guarantees a first incoming for poodle power

[heyheymymy]

If that TOR 2024 FRP drops right after the protections in #7 or #8 from #9 Poeltl it would be poetic

[Ariel]

If you're on the other side, why does Toronto give up anything at all for a 3 month rental of a player who becomes an UFA after that?
Especially if you're not currently in playoff contention?
You don't. Which is how you know they must be feeling "pretty confident" (*wink* *wink*) that he's re-signing.

[JPB]

If you're on the other side, why does Toronto give up anything at all for a 3 month rental of a player who becomes an UFA after that?
Especially if you're not currently in playoff contention?
They must be desperate to fix the roster and make the playoffs.

Great trade for the Spurs.

They probably have Poeltl's agreement to renew.

Edit: Ariel beating me by 0.0001 seconds.

[slick'81]

They probably have Poeltl's agreement to renew.

we all know poodle loves tor

[BatManu20]

Yea those protections are great. I stand corrected. Good shit B-Wright. Now let’s hope the dominoes fall our way in the draft lottery.

[TD 21]

So I take it blame the (half) black man is on hold?

Solid trade. Glad they didn't take any of the Craptors low level and sneakily old prospects (Banton and Koloko suck and Bassey is better than the latter) as the second asset.

Worst case is probably that the 1st ends up falling somewhere in the mid round, with obviously at least a decent chance of doing better.

If the 2nd more or less maintains current position, it could be packaged with the Spurs current 2nd for a late 1st potentially.

Even Birch's relative albatross becomes a useful matching salary by next season's trade deadline.

[DPG21920]

Odd….I dont know how this worked unless it’s still not reported accurately.

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[baseline bum]

If you're on the other side, why does Toronto give up anything at all for a 3 month rental of a player who becomes an UFA after that?
Especially if you're not currently in playoff contention?
They must be desperate to fix the roster and make the playoffs.

Great trade for the Spurs.

Toronto did the trade to get his Bird Rights so they could go over the cap re-sign him. They wouldn't be able to land him with the MLE if they didn't do this trade.

[DPG21920]

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[Proxy]

good call - I didn't think about that but you're right, it's time to update the Kawhi Leonard trade cascade
you mean the george hill trade cascade

[John B]

This is the good shit right here - "i don't think he's good but i think we should have gotten more for him" lmao jesus christ

Do you think Gobert is so much better? How did Jazz get that much haul? I’ve been in sales for over 25 yrs. It’s timing and marketing… but best of all nothing personal. Spurs are too “nice,” trying to do what’s right for the player. Well nice people get fucked all the time, that’s my point. Poeltl is not the best, but I’m sure Spurs could’ve gotten more

[Mr. Body]

Cue ST meltdown over not getting a player no one heard about a day ago.

[Atl Spur]

Do you think Gobert is so much better? How did Jazz get that much haul? I’ve been in sales for over 25 yrs. It’s timing and marketing… but best of all nothing personal. Spurs are too “nice,” trying to do what’s right for the player. Well nice people get fucked all the time, that’s my point. Poeltl is not the best, but I’m sure Spurs could’ve gotten more
You do realize Rudy is more accomplished than Jacob right? Who would have given them more? I’m just wondering how you arrived at this estimation.

[slick'81]

Cue ST meltdown over not getting a player no one heard about a day ago.

meh,spurs accomplished what I wanted. Made the team worse and got a first for poodle:tu

[BatManu20]

What a shit offer by Boston :lol


League sources tell MassLive that Boston offered Payton Pritchard, Danilo Gallinari and multiple future second-round picks for the big man ahead of Thursday’s deal. Ultimately, the Spurs elected to go with the Raptors’ offer which included a top-6 protected first-round pick for 2024, two future second round picks and center Khem Birch.

[The Truth #6]

I don’t know, I would still love if they could get Dalano Banton from the Raptors in this trade; he went to a small college with Charles Bassey, for what it’s worth, and for a horrible team like us he would be another player to consider, etc. I think Banton would be great for passing, ball movement.

[John B]

You do realize Rudy is more accomplished than Jacob right? Who would have given them more? I’m just wondering how you arrived at this estimation.

Poeltl got 1 protected FRP, 1 vs how many for Gobert??. I know he’s not DPOY, but is the difference between the two really that far? I don’t know, but ST been claiming Poeltl is top 10… :(

[rjv]

What a shit offer by Boston :lol


League sources tell MassLive that Boston offered Payton Pritchard, Danilo Gallinari and multiple future second-round picks for the big man ahead of Thursday’s deal. Ultimately, the Spurs elected to go with the Raptors’ offer which included a top-6 protected first-round pick for 2024, two future second round picks and center Khem Birch.

:rollin

[timvp]

What a shit offer by Boston :lol


League sources tell MassLive that Boston offered Payton Pritchard, Danilo Gallinari and multiple future second-round picks for the big man ahead of Thursday’s deal. Ultimately, the Spurs elected to go with the Raptors’ offer which included a top-6 protected first-round pick for 2024, two future second round picks and center Khem Birch.

FWIW, I'm hearing the Celtics actually did offer the Spurs a first round pick (in the form of unswapping that 2028 pick). After they lost out, Boston likely didn't want other teams asking for a first when shopping for a center -- thus this report that they've been offering second rounders all along.

[NASpurs]

Michael Scotto from the Office?

Need better sources tbh.

[Seventyniner]

FWIW, I'm hearing the Celtics actually did offer the Spurs a first round pick (in the form of unswapping that 2028 pick). After they lost out, Boston likely didn't want other teams asking for a first when shopping for a center -- thus this report that they've been offering second rounders all along.

Interesting, thanks for the info. Obviously the Spurs preferred Toronto's offer, but I wonder if it was the seconds that put them over the top? Those seem to be much more valuable that I would have imagined this trade deadline.

[Ariel]

FWIW, I'm hearing the Celtics actually did offer the Spurs a first round pick (in the form of unswapping that 2028 pick). After they lost out, Boston likely didn't want other teams asking for a first when shopping for a center -- thus this report that they've been offering second rounders all along.
That's a good offer, and likely explains why the Spurs got such low protections on Toronto's pick: they had a solid offer to fall back on, so they held their hand. Thanks.

[Robz4000]

Glad the protections on that first were relatively light tbh. Trade is fine by me now.

[Trainwreck2100]

If they waited like 6 hours they could have gotten 5 second round picks

[spurraider21]

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[timvp]

If they waited like 6 hours they could have gotten 5 second round picks

Underrated aspect of the trade. Spurs did well to complete the deal last night before the secondroundapalooza commenced.

[TheChillFactor]

Do you think Gobert is so much better? How did Jazz get that much haul? I’ve been in sales for over 25 yrs. It’s timing and marketing… but best of all nothing personal. Spurs are too “nice,” trying to do what’s right for the player. Well nice people get fucked all the time, that’s my point. Poeltl is not the best, but I’m sure Spurs could’ve gotten more

you don't have any information, yet you're "sure" they could have gotten more. that kind of thinking is why you have been in sales for 25 years.

[John B]

you don't have any information, yet you're "sure" they could have gotten more. that kind of thinking is why you have been in sales for 25 years.

Precisely. But I bet I make your salary in 2-3 orders :lmao

[Fireball]

i wanted to keep him ... tanking is fine but you don't need to throw away everything ... Poeltl is a cornerstone and he was my second favorite player on the team

[quentin_compson]

Getting a lightly protected FRP for Poeltl who is on an expiring contract is definitely good value, in my opinion. I think he will look much better on the Raptors than he has recently with the Spurs. He is a very solid defensive C with a pretty clear-cut ceiling and not likely to get significantly better at anything than he is now.
As for the comparison with Gobert: Gobert more or less single-handedly was the reason for the Jazz being a top 10-ish defensive team in multiple seasons (regular seasons, that is), he is a multiple All Star and DPOY. Poeltl is neither that good nor does he have the accolades, and those matter in trades (maybe more than they should at times, I don't know).

[JeffDuncan]

Do you think Gobert is so much better? How did Jazz get that much haul?…



Everybody knows why the Jazz got so much for Gobert. It’s because the TWolves are crazy.



… I’ve been in sales for over 25 yrs. It’s timing and marketing…



It can also matter if the other party is bat flapping insane.

The Spurs weren’t as lucky at finding a lunatic to trade with. Darn it.

[JeffDuncan]

i wanted to keep him ... tanking is fine but you don't need to throw away everything ... Poeltl is a cornerstone and he was my second favorite player on the team


Poeltl sets great screens, but that didn’t matter very much on this version of the Spurs.

He can be excellent at the pick and roll, too, but that hasn’t much mattered since Derrick White left.

He was being wasted here. It was time to move on.

[poopbox]

i wanted to keep him ... tanking is fine but you don't need to throw away everything ... Poeltl is a cornerstone and he was my second favorite player on the team

Cornerstone of what :rollin? All we did with him on the team is become a worse and worse team.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/971852605390336000/uA0TeMUO_normal.jpg
Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN
(https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)5m (https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1624827753907322883)Pop had no specific timetable for Birch to be cleared but said last night it would be "quite a while."Might explain why they want to bump Charles Bassey to the big club.

[rascal]

That's a good offer, and likely explains why the Spurs got such low protections on Toronto's pick: they had a solid offer to fall back on, so they held their hand. Thanks.

That still wasn't a great offer as that pick was going to be the worse pick of what the spurs were already getting of the two picks.

But there is a possibilty that both Boston and San antonio could be lottery teams and the spurs could end up with two top five draft picks while Toronto's pick is a guarantee to not be possible to be a top five pick.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/971852605390336000/uA0TeMUO_normal.jpg
Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN
(https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)2h (https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1624827321256493056)While we're talking Spurs roster management, the team doesn't expect Khem Birch to be available to play until after the All-Star break.He has a pre-existing knee issue and Spurs want him checked out by team medical staff in SA before he does basketball activities.

[timvp]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/971852605390336000/uA0TeMUO_normal.jpg
Jeff McDonald @JMcDonald_SAEN
(https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN)2h (https://twitter.com/JMcDonald_SAEN/status/1624827321256493056)While we're talking Spurs roster management, the team doesn't expect Khem Birch to be available to play until after the All-Star break.He has a pre-existing knee issue and Spurs want him checked out by team medical staff in SA before he does basketball activities.

Hmmm, Raptors scouts say Birch was good until he got a knee injury and tried to play through it (last season, I believe). He's never been the same since. I wonder if the Spurs are angling to medically waive him and either have insurance play his remaining contract -- or get an injury exception.

[Fireball]

Cornerstone of what :rollin? All we did with him on the team is become a worse and worse team.

sure that was on Poeltl :lol

[Mr. Body]

Jak with 30, 9 and 6 blocks vs. Orlando.

This is why the "he's playing bad, no one will want him" fears are unfounded. Everyone knows what player he can be.

And, yes, he was worth two picks. Just that no one had them.

[scott]

Jak with 30, 9 and 6 blocks vs. Orlando.

This is why the "he's playing bad, no one will want him" fears are unfounded. Everyone knows what player he can be.

And, yes, he was worth two picks. Just that no one had them.

Go off, Tall King.

What's wild is Jak took 17 shots and took ZERO FTs. That's a wild stat line for a big. Was Orlando just running the other direction whenever he got the ball?

[Mr. Body]

Go off, Tall King.

What's wild is Jak took 17 shots and took ZERO FTs. That's a wild stat line for a big. Was Orlando just running the other direction whenever he got the ball?

I watched parts. He was hitting a lot of his push shots over people. Toronto has enough threats that he gets open looks, too.

[KingKev]

FVV with 15 assists. TD 21 did Massai fleece is again?

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

anyone who's been paying attention to the spurs should know that Jak is a great piece on a good team (i.e. with playmaking, help defense etc) that can set up his strengths and cover his weaknesses



... in theory

[BackHome]

Celtics are going to regret being cheap and not signing him

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

so I am surprised to see how similar Tiago and Jak's #s are ... https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=splitti01&player_id1=poeltja01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=poeltja01

With Jak clearly being the better player ................. and being 5 years younger than Tiago

So Poeltl on track to being a key contributing starter on an NBA title team

[slick'81]

You will be missed poodle power

[John B]

Yup prior to that he was 6pts and 5rbs, and 6pts and 4rbs the game before :lmao

[John B]

so I am surprised to see how similar Tiago and Jak's #s are ... https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=splitti01&player_id1=poeltja01&sum=0&request=1&utm_campaign=2023_01_wdgt_player_comparison&utm_source=bbr&utm_medium=sr_xsite&utm_id=poeltja01

With Jak clearly being the better player ................. and being 5 years younger than Tiago

So Poeltl on track to being a key contributing starter on an NBA title team

Raptors title team?? :lmao

[BatManu20]

Jak definitely balled out tonight. Happy for him tbh.


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[JPB]

Yup prior to that he was 6pts and 5rbs, and 6pts and 4rbs the game before :lmao

Worth 2 FRPs tbh.

[BackHome]

I knew Poodle was a decent player but lets put things into perspective they were playing against a bottom 5 team so not a real challenge. I think though it was a decent trade for both teams not what I wanted but “You get what ya Get and ya don’t throw a Fit”. I wish him the best and I hope when he takes out a girl on a date to see a movie she doesn’t get stabbed like his last date did in San Antonio.

[JeffDuncan]

Jak definitely balled out tonight. Happy for him tbh.


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Maybe the most amazing thing is that it’s less than a week after his last game with the Spurs - and his third game with the Raps in that week. Barely enough time to learn the playbook and get in a couple of practices. Truly an amazing transition. He fit right in. Not something you see every day.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Poeltl was a great Spur. If only he came to the team a couple of years before the downturn began. He would have been a fantastic teammate of Duncan et al. It's sad that the Spurs had to let him go to aid the rebuild. He would have been a perfect No 3 in a team with two Stars or even two hyper scorers. He will remain one of my favorite Spurs ever.

[heyheymymy]

Damn Weiskamp, Thad Young, Poeltl, Raps are like SA North lol

Had Kawhi and Danny Green back then too

[heyheymymy]

Kinda getting sellers remorse here now. That is a sick stat line for Poeltl.

When you extrapolate to actually surrounding him with good players he is a beast.

[Rocalcio]

Kinda getting sellers remorse here now. That is a sick stat line for Poeltl.

When you extrapolate to actually surrounding him with good players he is a beast.

I love Jakob and I will miss him, but don’t expect him to have those numbers on a regular basis. The deal we got with Toronto is good.

[ragas]

Yup prior to that he was 6pts and 5rbs, and 6pts and 4rbs the game before :lmao

And still had the best net-rating by far. Damn, your Poeltl hate is on another level.

[aksyunstar]

Idk why people are surprised by this. Jakob had similar performances like that this season. Might happen more often now that he's in a better team. It just sucks no team wanted to risk 2 FRP's for a player that could be a rental.

[tonight...you]

Jak definitely balled out tonight. Happy for him tbh.


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Lol.
Respect on his good game, but that is not elite D being played there. I suspect that kind of D is why no fouls and the high percentage.

[The Truth #6]

He occasionally has good games.

[Leetonidas]

He occasionally has good games.

Exactly. We gonna bump this thread the next time he has a 6/4/2 game also?

[slick'81]

Exactly. We gonna bump this thread the next time he has a 6/4/2 game also?

Well weve been doing it with white and dejounte

[John B]

And still had the best net-rating by far. Damn, your Poeltl hate is on another level.

Didn’t he score 6 pts on the last two games prior? :lol Hey, I rooted for him to get better playing along a bigger body SF, but his stats remained the same, still cowered against big men. He was inconsistent to say the least. I’ll be happy for him playing better, but again he’ll probably going to play good to show his naysayers, and try to get that lucrative contract, but then will fizzle away as he always does. Goodluck to Jak :toast

[pad300]

I knew Poodle was a decent player but lets put things into perspective they were playing against a bottom 5 team so not a real challenge. I think though it was a decent trade for both teams not what I wanted but “You get what ya Get and ya don’t throw a Fit”. I wish him the best and I hope when he takes out a girl on a date to see a movie she doesn’t get stabbed like his last date did in San Antonio.

WTF? This ain't a story I recall hearing on spurstalk... Got a link?

[TD 21]

:lmao At Craptors fanboy excited for the inevitable rush of Poeltl blurbs in articles/podcasts and on tv from the usual suspects.

Those treadmill addicts are headed straight for a play-in berth and possible 8th seed/round 1 curb stomping at the hands of the Celtics/Bucks, where they'll pretend they accomplished something while throwing away the high pick the league was going to hand them again.

[DPG21920]

WTF? This ain't a story I recall hearing on spurstalk... Got a link?

https://foxsanantonio.com/news/local/sources-victim-of-brutal-stabbing-at-palladium-theater-was-there-with-a-spurs-player

[jjspur]

He occasionally has good games.

He's definitely a good player and probably worth a bit more than we got, but lets see how many more "good games" he has this season before anyone gets sellers remorse.

[The Truth #6]

:lmao At Craptors fanboy excited for the inevitable rush of Poeltl blurbs in articles/podcasts and on tv from the usual suspects.

Those treadmill addicts are headed straight for a play-in berth and possible 8th seed/round 1 curb stomping at the hands of the Celtics/Bucks, where they'll pretend they accomplished something while throwing away the high pick the league was going to hand them again.

Your Toronto issue is fascinating to observe.

[Raven]

atrocious deal, but oh well, we aren't attempting to win games any time soon

[KingKev]

WTF? This ain't a story I recall hearing on spurstalk... Got a link?

It is purported a chubby Asian guy who looks like the yellow M&M did this. He was wearing a custom Spurs jerssey marked “scumbag” TD 21

:lmao :lmao

[TD 21]

It is purported a chubby Asian guy who looks like the yellow M&M did this. He was wearing a custom Spurs jerssey marked “scumbag” TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781)

:lmao :lmao

:lmao At Craptors fanboy, continues to be obsessed with and wrong about my appearance and race.

[The Truth #6]

He's definitely a good player and probably worth a bit more than we got, but lets see how many more "good games" he has this season before anyone gets sellers remorse.

it looks like we are agreeing here.

[heyheymymy]

Looking at TORs financial situation and roster composition how tf is this not a quarter season rental?

Even if the Raps could afford to sign Poeltl there is a logjam on bigs.

Does Poeltl hit open FA this summer?

[rascal]

That raptors pick will be well into the 20s next year. The Raptors have a deep team.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

Raptors title team?? :lmao

*on track to being good enough to be a key contributing starter on an nba title team

whether or not he rings would be up to the rest of the team, sir isaac

[DPG21920]

Looking at TORs financial situation and roster composition how tf is this not a quarter season rental?

Even if the Raps could afford to sign Poeltl there is a logjam on bigs.

Does Poeltl hit open FA this summer?

No way IMO. Why make that deal if you aren’t prioritizing him? OG finally traded in off season during draft?

[mo7888]

That raptors pick will be well into the 20s next year. The Raptors have a deep team.

Then why isn't that the case this year? It's the same players...

[buttsR4rebounding]

Since the Raptors didn't trade FVV or Gary Trent you have to expect they will try to keep them. FVV is looking for a 5 year max contract (which I don't think he'll get), but will assuredly get something close to $40 million/year. Trent probably $25 to $30 million per year. If they re-sign Poeltl (which I expect) it is likely $18+/year. No one is going to give the Raptors a hometown discount since Raptor's players pay the highest income tax of any team's players in the league. Even if they trade the OB they'll have to likely take some salary back. Then the following year comes Pascal's new contract. Ouch! They will be repeat tax offenders for the foreseeable future after that. If they don't improve their play that will be an expensive buck for a firecracker bang.

[mo7888]

No way IMO. Why make that deal if you aren’t prioritizing him? OG finally traded in off season during draft?

Either OG or Pascal will have to move if they're resigning everyone else I'd think

[rascal]

Then why isn't that the case this year? It's the same players...

Injuries
I expect them to climb up the standings down the stretch run when they get their players back and Poeltl also adding more front court depth.

[mo7888]

Injuries
I expect them to climb up the standings down the stretch run when they get their players back and Poeltl also adding more front court depth.

I honestly haven't followed them close enough to know their injury situation. I've watched them play a few times before the Jak Trade and they just didn't look like a cohesive team to me. My guess would have been chemistry issues for one reason or another..

[exstatic]

Since the Raptors didn't trade FVV or Gary Trent you have to expect they will try to keep them. FVV is looking for a 5 year max contract (which I don't think he'll get), but will assuredly get something close to $40 million/year. Trent probably $25 to $30 million per year. If they re-sign Poeltl (which I expect) it is likely $18+/year. No one is going to give the Raptors a hometown discount since Raptor's players pay the highest income tax of any team's players in the league. Even if they trade the OB they'll have to likely take some salary back. Then the following year comes Pascal's new contract. Ouch! They will be repeat tax offenders for the foreseeable future after that. If they don't improve their play that will be an expensive buck for a firecracker bang.

$40M per year for FVV? Toronto isn’t paying him that without the threat of someone else using their cap room to do so, and no one but us does have that kind of room.

They may just be waiting for the summer trade market for FVV and GTJ.

[KingKev]

^ Gramps nailed it.

Raps have dealt with injuries and poor roster construction this year. They have the assets to retool though. One of FVV/GTJ is out the door I bet. One of OG, Siakim and Barnes are probably going to be moved also though I doubt it’s Siakim or Barnes.

Raps salary cap isn’t great but very manageable. They are in a position to facilitate trades for GTJ and FVV. One has to go so those two are actually in comp to take a discount if they want to stay.

Jak is probably a longer term piece for them but also becomes a S&T asset if they can’t come to an agreement.

Failed season for sure but they have lever to pull to keep part of the squd together and upgrade.

[Ariel]

No need to speculate, Masai explicitly said he didn't pull the trigger because the deals he was expecting weren't there, and that they'd wait until the offseason. Personally I think Masai is going for a king's ransome for his players, I might lower my expectations a little bit. Also I wouldn't go over 30M for Van Vleet, and would hesitate to pay more than 20M for Gary Trent Jr.

[rjv]

van vleet may wind up becoming the consolation for whatever team does not wind up with kyrie.

[TD 21]

Nice try. They've been relatively healthy, they're just not good. They're the definition of a treadmill team, only they're in bed with the media like no one this side of the Warriors, so they're hyped and disseminated to the masses as if they're any more relevant than the others who are routinely ridiculed.

They did pretty much what I said they'd do at the trade deadline. I'd laugh if injury prone Anynoby tears something and/or someone outright signs Van Cheat (Magic?) or Trent Jr., leaving them again holding the bag.

[CGD]

Man this looks so depressing on paper:

Leonard became —>

Keldon
Birch
Branham
23 SRP TOR
24 FRP TOR
24 SRP LAL
25 FRP CHI
25 SRP CHI
25 SRP TOR

[exstatic]

Man this looks so depressing on paper:

Leonard became —>

Keldon
Birch
Branham
23 SRP TOR
24 FRP TOR
24 SRP LAL
25 FRP CHI
25 SRP CHI
25 SRP TOR

You’re depressed because the trade turned out to be for 4 FRPs, and a pocket full of seconds? That’s much better than it looked on trade day.

[Atl Spur]

Man this looks so depressing on paper:

Leonard became —>

Keldon
Birch
Branham
23 SRP TOR
24 FRP TOR
24 SRP LAL
25 FRP CHI
25 SRP CHI
25 SRP TOR

That’s a haul my guy!

[Sugus]

Man this looks so depressing on paper:

Leonard became —>

Keldon
Birch
Branham
23 SRP TOR
24 FRP TOR
24 SRP LAL
25 FRP CHI
25 SRP CHI
25 SRP TOR

Man, I hate this reductionist "deconstruction" of a trade's return. No, you can't just ignore the players we got back in the trade, and the years they played for the Spurs (which was exactly what the Spurs were going for when they made that trade, whether fans like it or not).

The Spurs got years of still-prime Derozan, years of Poeltl anchoring their defense, in return for Nephew. Those don't stop being a part of the return just because they don't play for the Spurs anymore -- were you expecting them to retire as Spurs or something? Picks ain't all there is to trades.

[XDT76]

Man this looks so depressing on paper:

Leonard became —>

Keldon
Birch
Branham
23 SRP TOR
24 FRP TOR
24 SRP LAL
25 FRP CHI
25 SRP CHI
25 SRP TOR

A player with chronic injury who has availability issue on his last year of contract turning into 4 FRP, 4 SRP and a role player. How many trades are better than this?

[Maddog]

A player with chronic injury who has availability issue on his last year of contract turning into 4 FRP, 4 SRP and a role player. How many trades are better than this?

A player who was going to leave no matter what and essentially stated he wouldn't resign with anyone but a LA team.

Look at what OKC got for Durant
Look at what Orlando got for Shaq

Of course Toronto got a title out him- albeit with incredible breaks- but a title nonetheless

[slick'81]

A player who was going to leave no matter what and essentially stated he wouldn't resign with anyone but a LA team.

Look at what OKC got for Durant
Look at what Orlando got for Shaq

Of course Toronto got a title out him- albeit with incredible breaks- but a title nonetheless

The spurs have been basically been taking what they can get. Although the Celtics and murray trade (despite the cha pick) have been pretty good

[Rocalcio]

A player who was going to leave no matter what and essentially stated he wouldn't resign with anyone but a LA team.

Look at what OKC got for Durant
Look at what Orlando got for Shaq

Of course Toronto got a title out him- albeit with incredible breaks- but a title nonetheless

I know we probably could have landed Ingram and someone else from Lakers at the time, but I’m mostly glad Pop didn’t grant Leonard the trade he wanted. Sending his ass to Toronto should also be taken into account when we discuss the benefits of this trade. He was probably pissed and that satisfy me.

[CGD]

That’s a haul my guy!

Ok, Ok, Ok. I get it guys:

Brian keeps getting it Wright

[CGD]

Man, I hate this reductionist "deconstruction" of a trade's return. No, you can't just ignore the players we got back in the trade, and the years they played for the Spurs (which was exactly what the Spurs were going for when they made that trade, whether fans like it or not).

The Spurs got years of still-prime Derozan, years of Poeltl anchoring their defense, in return for Nephew. Those don't stop being a part of the return just because they don't play for the Spurs anymore -- were you expecting them to retire as Spurs or something? Picks ain't all there is to trades.

Fair, but some would argue the Spurs should have torn it down sooner instead of getting 3-4 mediocre years with those players.

[K...]

Fair, but some would argue the Spurs should have torn it down sooner instead of getting 3-4 mediocre years with those players.

Which is dumb. There is nothing better about tanking. Were getting great value now, hard to argue trading LMA would get better outcomes.

[CGD]

A player with chronic injury who has availability issue on his last year of contract turning into 4 FRP, 4 SRP and a role player. How many trades are better than this?

It puts into perspective how good the Spurs are drafting late. Two of those vaunted FRPs were the 20th and 29th pick in their respective drafts. How many other teams screw that up?

[CGD]

Which is dumb. There is nothing better about tanking. Were getting great value now, hard to argue trading LMA would get better outcomes.

Well we're tanking now, but if there were ever a draft to do it this was the one I suppose.

[John B]

Jak playing tonight with 4pts, 4 rebounds and Raps up early, going against Valanciunas. This could be interesting for Poodle's fans :lol

[spurraider21]

man, for the longest time i remember poeltl constantly got bodied by valunciunas. he's going off against him today

[Rocalcio]

Jak playing tonight with 4pts, 4 rebounds and Raps up early, going against Valanciunas. This could be interesting for Poodle's fans :lol

Too bad for you, he finished with 21 points, 18 rebounds, 3 steals.

[ragas]

Jak playing tonight with 4pts, 4 rebounds and Raps up early, going against Valanciunas. This could be interesting for Poodle's fans :lol

You nailed it :clap

[John B]

Too bad for you, he finished with 21 points, 18 rebounds, 3 steals.

Hey I said he’s doing good early :lol

[slick'81]

Hey I said he’s doing good early :lol


poodle power

[offset formation]

Man, I hate this reductionist "deconstruction" of a trade's return. No, you can't just ignore the players we got back in the trade, and the years they played for the Spurs (which was exactly what the Spurs were going for when they made that trade, whether fans like it or not).

The Spurs got years of still-prime Derozan, years of Poeltl anchoring their defense, in return for Nephew. Those don't stop being a part of the return just because they don't play for the Spurs anymore -- were you expecting them to retire as Spurs or something? Picks ain't all there is to trades.

"Anchoring" is a strong word. Too strong given where we finished in his tenure here.

[XDT76]

Too bad for you, he finished with 21 points, 18 rebounds, 3 steals.

How did he got 18 rebounds, sometimes he can't even do that in 2 games for us.

[Mr. Body]

How did he got 18 rebounds, sometimes he can't even do that in 2 games for us.

Pretty clearly he was checked out. Also, TOR has actual floor spacers.

[exstatic]

Pretty clearly he was checked out. Also, TOR has actual floor spacers.

As a team,our 3G% is better than theirs, .341 to .335.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Pretty clearly he was checked out. Also, TOR has actual floor spacers.

They really don't, it's by far their biggest problem, which is why they're terrible at half court offense. They win by running.

[XDT76]

Pretty clearly he was checked out. Also, TOR has actual floor spacers.

Poeltl has 11 D Reb, pretty sure that has nothing to do with TOR spacers. I am not surprised by his OR. However he was known to be mediocre on DR.

[Rocalcio]

How did he got 18 rebounds, sometimes he can't even do that in 2 games for us.

14 today, I have the feeling he will get more rebounds at Toronto. Maybe the game plan implies that.

[slick'81]

Poodle power meet the klaw


https://youtu.be/BLQZmjB252g

[CGD]

Double whammy: he punt kicks him in the nuts to create the space and then as Jakob is reeling he dunks on him. Filthy

[KingKev]

Healthy KL is a still a top 10 player in the league.

[Chinook]

Difference between Poeltl and Collins is that Zach would've fouled him. Jakob got caught in no man's land. Collins loves giving up and-1s, but given Kawhi's take off, there's no way he'd've completed the dunk against Zach.

[The Truth #6]

I would have liked to see Zollins give KL a hard foul.

[BatManu20]

Epic failure by Masai and the Raps if Poeltl dips in Free Agency. Thought there was a handshake agreement in place that he’d re-sign there if traded for. Guess not. Wild.

1671162416569409541

[CorrectCrusader]

Epic failure by Masai and the Raps if Poeltl dips in Free Agency. Thought there was a handshake agreement in place that he’d re-sign there if traded for. Guess not. Wild.

1671162416569409541

Turtle please come back home

[Mr. Body]

Based on if the Raptors tear it all down, which they don't seem to want to do. A lot of talk about trading Siakam but I don't see them doing this. Anunoby might be moved, maybe.

[BatManu20]

Turtle please come back home

He’d still be in a rebuild situation here lol. If he wants a title contender though, he’s likely going to have to take a pay-cut, which I don’t see happening. He’s in like for what will most likely be the highest-paying contract of his career. Would be dumb to pass on that imo.

[BatManu20]

A team like PHX should be looking at trading Ayton for a couple wing defenders/depth and then signing Poeltl. That’d make them a better team tbh.

[baseline bum]

A team like PHX should be looking at trading Ayton for a couple wing defenders/depth and then signing Poeltl. That’d make them a better team tbh.

Don't they not even have exceptions under the new CBA? Though they'd definitely be better off trading Ayton for Poeltl.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Turtle was one of my favorite players. But that ship has sailed. The Spurs need to spend their cap space for PGs/ shooters.. The C spot is covered with Zach, Bassey & Mamu and ... Wemby for the long term.

[CorrectCrusader]

He’d still be in a rebuild situation here lol. If he wants a title contender though, he’s likely going to have to take a pay-cut, which I don’t see happening. He’s in like for what will most likely be the highest-paying contract of his career. Would be dumb to pass on that imo.

Any year with Wemby is a year to win!

[Mr. Body]

Don't they not even have exceptions under the new CBA? Though they'd definitely be better off trading Ayton for Poeltl.

They should do this. I don't think anyone wants Ayton, though.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Raptor fans are mad at Masai for being undecided about the direction of the team. It'd be interesting if they decide to rebuild, and a lot of clues point that direction including their new head coach. It'd increase the value of the pick they owe us and might even make them consider trading this year's pick for their '24 back. Something like 13 for Tor '24 and 33 (or Cha '24) would be beneficial for both teams if a player the Spurs like is there at 13.

[CGD]

They aren't rebuilding. I think ATL is a good trade partner match for them if they move Pascal that could allow them to reload instead. This team seems promising:

DJ, Bogdan, OG, Barnes, Jakob

[spurraider21]

They aren't rebuilding. I think ATL is a good trade partner match for them if they move Pascal that could allow them to reload instead. This team seems promising:

DJ, Bogdan, OG, Barnes, Jakob
is that the hawks or raptors lineup? :lol

[CGD]

^ ha, I was thinking a Siakam <> DJ/Bogdan swap. Salaries are close and probably some picks need to be added one way or another.

[cd98]

I want Raptors to be bad because we have their pick but not so bad that it becomes lottery protected.

[mo7888]

They aren't rebuilding. I think ATL is a good trade partner match for them if they move Pascal that could allow them to reload instead. This team seems promising:

DJ, Bogdan, OG, Barnes, Jakob

Is that team better than ours when we had DJ and Jak in the SL? Maybe a little better record because they're playing in the east, but not much.

[mo7888]

Trent Jr just opted in on his contract for $18M. This makes it harder for Tor to resign Jak and FVF abd stay under the tax.

[spurraider21]

oh wow. not that i was particularly interested, but i had just assumed he'd opt out

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Weird decision by Trent, his market must have been bad. Perhaps he’s opting in as part of an agreement for a trade.

[spurraider21]

Weird decision by Trent, his market must have been bad. Perhaps he’s opting in as part of an agreement for a trade.
its a rough market tbh

these are the only teams projected to be operating under the cap this offseason (see projected practical column)

https://i.gyazo.com/08b02dffe7a6cd6506d30775a1bb7bee.png

some other teams like the lakers could generate some space, but it would require them to renounce all their good FAs and decline all the team options, etc, so this is the realistic list. none of these teams are going to want to give a guy like Trent a big deal, and i'm not sure he'd have a huge sign and trade market either

[Mr. Body]

Orlando fans thought they could make a run for Trent.

[Ariel]

Weird decision by Trent, his market must have been bad. Perhaps he’s opting in as part of an agreement for a trade.
I think he realized it's a bad market for him and an extension with Toronto is the best option available. VanVleet is surely gone, and I hope Poeltl is as well (I don't think so but we can always wish).

[ismael-robert]

As much as I like him if u can't hit threes don't kno that anyone wants u nowadays

[exstatic]

As much as I like him if u can't hit threes don't kno that anyone wants u nowadays

Since he moved on to Chicago, DeRozan has made one All NBA team,and two all star games. He doesn’t shoot the three often or very accurately. Teams would want him, and he’s a wing player.

[TD 21]

Trent. Jr. opting in and the expectation being that they work together on a long term contract, is shocking.

Still, I can't see them losing Poeltl (if they do, that'd be the most inexplicably trade I can remember).

They're too arrogant to re-build and too cheap to pay the tax (not that they should for this mediocre, low ceiling outfit), so expect more or less the same.

[Mr. Body]

Trent might have been a planned opting in. This can get him to a team that's over the cap with things already worked out.

[Uriel]

Bring back Jakob. And Murray too. Hell, why not throw in Primo while you’re at it?

[BatManu20]

Bring back Jakob. And Murray too. Hell, why not throw in Primo while you’re at it?

Jakob wants to play for a contender, and neither Pee-Wee Primo nor Murray and his IG drama will ever be Spurs again tbh.

[scott]

If Jak leaves, that trade will have to go down as one of the worst in history - perhaps only surpassed if Kyrie leaves Dallas

[John B]

Poeltl will test the market. I’m not blaming him for getting the most, which could be his highest paycheck. But yes, this guy is all about the money

[ismael-robert]

Since he moved on to Chicago, DeRozan has made one All NBA team,and two all star games. He doesn’t shoot the three often or very accurately. Teams would want him, and he’s a wing player.

And what's he known for? Always crumbling in playoffs

[onechance87]

other then raptors....who needs a center and can offer him money

[EricB]

Bring back Jakob. And Murray too. Hell, why not throw in Primo while you’re at it?

mid bring back Poeltl and Murray.

they’re both quality players.


you’d be foolish to not want them back.

[GAustex]

Do not want Murray

[KobesAchilles]

If Jak leaves, that trade will have to go down as one of the worst in history - perhaps only surpassed if Kyrie leaves Dallas
Pippen for Olden Polynice. Tractor Taylor for Dirk. Vlade for Kobe. Harden for Ben Simmons is way worse tbh.

[Ariel]

Pippen for Olden Polynice. Tractor Taylor for Dirk. Vlade for Kobe. Harden for Ben Simmons is way worse tbh.
Gobert to Minnesota, Tatum + future pick for Fultz. Yes, Poeltl would be a senseless costly rental, but we've seen much worse.

[Ariel]

Trent might have been a planned opting in. This can get him to a team that's over the cap with things already worked out.
Could have worked a S&T.

[mystargtr34]

Can we re-sign Poeltl then trade him in 3 months for another FRP to a contender :lol.

[mystargtr34]

Dejounte is not a winning basketball player. Next to useless off the ball, can’t shoot.

His defense is decent but even that’s become overrated.

If you put the ball in his hands and maximise his effectiveness he’s not good enough to elevate a team to a winning record.

That trade with the Hawks was highway robbery.

[couchman]

I disagree about DJMs skills as a player. He’s good. But there is NO WAY I want him influencing the culture we build around Wemby.
Making a run at Poeltl is tempting but probably won’t happen

[Mal]

How can he test the market, where there is no market, since barerly anyone have cap space for free agent

[Ice009]

I disagree about DJMs skills as a player. He’s good. But there is NO WAY I want him influencing the culture we build around Wemby.
Making a run at Poeltl is tempting but probably won’t happen

Yeah, I agree. It's not solely based on his skills for me. It's more about his attitude and personality. I don't want that around Victor at all. Victor is already ahead in that department IMO. I don't want Murray dragging him down. If Murray had actually grown the way I thought he did before being traded, then I wouldn't mind him back. I just wouldn't want him causing issues in the locker room and influencing players the wrong way. Wembanyama is already a true Spur IMO based just on his personality and maturity at such a young age already. Even if the Spurs have even the tiniest issue about selecting him number one health wise, there is no issues about the type of person he is on and off the court.

[Dex]

Poeltl will test the market. I’m not blaming him for getting the most, which could be his highest paycheck. But yes, this guy is all about the money

I don't blame him. Now is his time to collect that check, probably the last big deal he is going to get.

I doubt he feels a huge sense of loyalty for the team that dealt him to acquire Kawhi for one season, then for some reason gave up assets for a mid-season rental when they weren't even really in the contending picture. Maybe he really likes Toronto, maybe not...but I agree he will go to the highest bidder and I doubt that will be the Spurs.


How can he test the market, where there is no market, since barerly anyone have cap space for free agent

Yeah, this is a really crappy year to be an FA since a bunch of teams are going to be making moves to shed salary and try to avoid the new CBA rules.

[Maddog]

How can he test the market, where there is no market, since barerly anyone have cap space for free agent


I don't blame him. Now is his time to collect that check, probably the last big deal he is going to get.

I doubt he feels a huge sense of loyalty for the team that dealt him to acquire Kawhi for one season, then for some reason gave up assets for a mid-season rental when they weren't even really in the contending picture. Maybe he really likes Toronto, maybe not...but I agree he will go to the highest bidder and I doubt that will be the Spurs.



Yeah, this is a really crappy year to be an FA since a bunch of teams are going to be making moves to shed salary and try to avoid the new CBA rules.

I'm far form an expert, but wonder if the new CBA is going to limit the market or salary for players like this-very good role players.

[Dex]

I'm far form an expert, but wonder if the new CBA is going to limit the market or salary for players like this-very good role players.

I think it depends on how teams approach.

Obviously, the Suns are going all-in with three guys (Booker, KD, and Beal). They won't be affected by the second apron for a couple years so they have a window, but it's going to become very expensive and very difficult to fill out talent around those three. Ishbia seems willing to open his wallet for the short term.

Other teams who are already in the tax and pushing the second apron will be looking for cheap talent, which means they would be low-balling players like Poeltl and hoping the chance to contend brings them in.

Stars are always going to get paid, so I think it will have a significant effect on the mid-tiers and role players

[CGD]

I’d only bring him back if there is a “dunks” incentive in his contract.