Woj: Poeltl to the Raps

[BatManu20]

Knew the pick would be heavily protected.

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[slick'81]

Bye poodle

[John B]

Wow it’s happening. Who’s next?

[024]

wtf why

[slick'81]

Spurs gobbling up those 2nd's:lobt2:

[John B]

So they gave in from 2 FRP’s unprotected.. hmm

[Robz4000]

What are the protections on the pick?

[slick'81]

So they gave in from 2 FRP’s unprotected.. hmm

best they we're going to get,tbh

[baseline bum]

What a joke, especially if it's lottery protected or top 10 protected. Better be something more like top 3 protected or the Spurs got fucking fleeced.

[slick'81]

Gotta be lottery protected

[BatManu20]

Sounds like more moves are coming today (hopefully).

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[baseline bum]

Gotta be lottery protected

Ridiculous if so, you'd be pretty fortunate to get someone as good as Poeltl with a pick in the 10-13 range.

[slick'81]

Ridiculous if so, you'd be pretty fortunate to get someone as good as Poeltl with a pick in the 10-13 range.

great job for spurs if they got better

[John B]

I’m a big Poeltl critique, but I think Spurs got shortchanged with protected FRP and 2 future SRP, if Gobert got 3 FRP unprotected plus 1 protected. I would’ve exoected at keast 1 unprotected FRP for Poeltl plus those 2 SRP tbh

[SPURt]

Yay! 30 yr old Khem Birch! Seriously though, thanks for the memories Jakob! He hasn’t been very good lately, hopefully the first rounder is only top 3 protected

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lol. 2 FRPs tho, turned quickly into 1 *protected* FRP and 2 seconds.

This is only surprising to no one.

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Yay! 30 yr old Khem Birch! Seriously though, thanks for the memories Jakob! He hasn’t been very good lately, hopefully the first rounder is only top 3 protected

Count on it being top-10 protected. Preparing for disappointment and being pleasantly surprised is always my guiding principle.

[BatManu20]

wtf why

Cause he wasn’t re-signing here this summer. Better to get something than nothing.

[BatManu20]

KD just got traded to the Suns lol

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Spurs gobbling up those 2nd's:lobt2:

so sad they put out into the world they wanted 2 FRPs only to get this back for him.

[td4mvp2k]

if he was walking then good job wright. good luck to poeltl real pro :toast

[objective]

Pretty weak. He had played underwhelmingly, but once again Spurs manage to not get any promising young players in return with draft capital.

30 year old Khem. Wonder if the first is is one of those fake firsts, heavy protection that evaporates or extinguishes instead of the protection reducing?

[baseline bum]

Yay! 30 yr old Khem Birch! Seriously though, thanks for the memories Jakob! He hasn’t been very good lately, hopefully the first rounder is only top 3 protected

LOL I think Birch's career highlight was when he outplayed Andre Drummond in a game in high school

[timtonymanu]

Poeltl was solid but not needed for a tanking Spurs team. Seems Raps still love him a lot. I wish him well. I guess we can stop dreaming about the Poeltl Wemby front court

[cd98]

Toronto fleecing Spurs again.

[baseline bum]

Count on it being top-10 protected. Preparing for disappointment and being pleasantly surprised is always my guiding principle.

Don't know, could always be Charlotte pick levels of protected too

[Barfunk]

Toronto fleecing Spurs again.

:lol

[Robz4000]

Ridiculous if so, you'd be pretty fortunate to get someone as good as Poeltl with a pick in the 10-13 range.

This tbh.

[SpurPadre]

Wow, people really see this as a negative? This is a good thing for a tanking team and he wasn't going to re-up with us anyways.

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Don't know, could always be Charlotte pick levels of protected too

of course it will be...

[DPG21920]

I hatteeeeeeee that they took on Khem in the deal. I wont care if its pick 8 or less protected but if its lottery protected and they took on Khem who unlike Jak has 7M guaranteed next season I will puke. So dumb to agree to Khem unless its a hell of a pick

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Wow, people really see this as a negative? This is a good thing for a tanking team and he wasn't going to re-up with us anyways.

it's only a negative that they were so public about expecting 2 FRPs and now being so publicly humiliated for what they actually got. And that's before we know how protected that 1 FRP actually is.

[John B]

Khem Birch is 30 yrs old out on injury. No surprise there :lol

[slick'81]

Toronto fleecing Spurs again.

masai>wright

[RD2191]

Khem Birch is 30 yrs old out on injury. No surprise there :lol
:rollin

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Wasn't a fan of trading Poeltl at all but depending on the pick protections it's a fair price. 2 firsts was always too optimistic.

[Robz4000]

:lol Wright helping out his buddies in Toronto

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Khem Birch is 30 yrs old out on injury. No surprise there :lol

GoSpursNo!

[FutureMan]

Birch for Poeltl is the trade I’ve envisioned since the preseason. I’m itching to see the protection for this pick. Poeltl was picked 9th (and worked out which most players don’t) so depending on the protection this could be a good trade or a bad one.

[stnick2261]

Seeing Khem Birch’s name made me look up an old Facebook post I made June 26, 2014. Had some good takes and some bad… notably:

”Khem Birch, 6'9" PF with 7'1" wingspan. Mountain West Conference Defensive Player of the Year twice. According to win shares, he's a solid starter who can be found around picks 55-58 (we may need to move up in the 2nd round to get him)... I want him. Not much of a scorer, but when he tries, he's aggressive (getting to the line). Blocks like crazy!!! I want him!!

Nikola Jokic, 6'11" with 7'3" wingspan. High Basketball IQ. Good footwork. Scorer. 3pt shooter with a great shot. Rebounds well. High assist rate. Should be available in the early 40s. He is someone I would hope the Spurs buy or trade for an extra early 2nd round pick.”

[John B]

And Poeltl is supposed to be Spurs biggest trade asset, not including Keldon/Vassell. What’s JRich haul? Peanuts??

[slick'81]

And Poeltl is supposed to be Spurs biggest asset. What’s JRich haul? Peanuts??

2nd if your lucky

[cd98]

Never even heard of Birch and I watched the NBA regularly until like 3 years ago.

[slick'81]

Spurs took what they could get last min. Hopefully depending on pick protection it isnt a horrible undersell

[PhantomDashCam]

Poeltl was a good soldier.
A low-maintenance, highly productive starter for a team that never had the shooters necessary to maximise his full capabilities. Toronto as it currently stands, is even worse for him in that regard.

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And Poeltl is supposed to be Spurs biggest trade asset, not including Keldon/Vassell. What’s JRich haul? Peanuts??

2028 3rd rounder

[timtonymanu]

:lol Wright helping out his buddies in Toronto

Spurs: "We do right by our guys, even if they're guys like Nephew."

[cd98]

To be fair, Birch looks perfect for team tank.

[cd98]

2028 3rd rounder

Toronto would probably get us to trade Richardson for a lottery protected 2019 pick.

[TekXX]

Sounds like Spurs settled, did Purtle tell them he wasn't coming back?

[slick'81]

Zollins time

[R. DeMurre]

Spurs fans pushing the SIM LOTTERY button on Tankathon a hundred times in a row to see how often they can land the #1 pick...

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Good luck to Poeltl. He grew on me a bit in his time here but quite frankly I'm glad he's gone now as it kind of puts an end to the obvious pieces from the neph debacle. Will probably help me close that pathetic chapter in spurs fandom a bit more readily.

[Rubberducky]

Dammit Suns, Woj and Shams too busy now with the KD trade to tweet the details on the protections. Gonna make us wait all night.

[baseline bum]

Time to catch up to Detroit and Houston so we can ensure the Spurs get the #5 pick.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Later, Jak!

Jakob is a good player for a playoff team.

Wish we got more than a top 25-protected first rounder though

[couchman]

We're committed to the tank now!
We are likely tanking again next year unless we land Wemby or Scoot, and letting go of Poeltl helps.
I'm dying to know what protections on this pick though

[DPG21920]

Wasn't a fan of trading Poeltl at all but depending on the pick protections it's a fair price. 2 firsts was always too optimistic.

I hate already it was Khem.. ok you dont get GTJ and a first, I get that. But you ask for 2 firsts, get only one and take on 30 year old Khem who has 7M on the books guaranteed next year????

I also dont love that it’s not this years pick??? WHY???

[daslicer]

Spurs fans pushing the SIM LOTTERY button on Tankathon a hundred times in a row to see how often they can land the #1 pick...

I get why they are doing it for this year since Wemby is allegedly supposed to be a generational talent but regardless of whether they get him or not I hope they don't pull this stuff next year.

[slick'81]

Spurs going all in on that 2nd half tank

[cd98]

Well Toronto let us borrow Jakob for a few years during our sojourn into sub-mediocrity. I still think he’s one of the better centers in the league. Just not a star.

[daslicer]

Overall crappy trade. Should have traded Poeltl during the summertime when they could have gotten more.

[baseline bum]

I hate already it was Khem.. ok you dont get GTJ and a first, I get that. But you ask for 2 firsts, get only one and take on 30 year old Khem who has 7M on the books guaranteed next year????

I also dont love that it’s not this years pick??? WHY???

Because Brian Wrong is Ujiri's son again

[cd98]

I hate already it was Khem.. ok you dont get GTJ and a first, I get that. But you ask for 2 firsts, get only one and take on 30 year old Khem who has 7M on the books guaranteed next year????

I also dont love that it’s not this years pick??? WHY???

Probably bc Toronto will likely be in the lottery this year.

[slick'81]

Because Brian Wrong is Ujiri's son again


no shit. From two firsts for poodle to back to tor to get raped

[John B]

Poeltl was a good soldier.
A low-maintenance, highly productive starter for a team that never had the shooters necessary to maximise his full capabilities. Toronto as it currently stands, is even worse for him in that regard.

Poeltl a good soldier?? :lmao I mean I don’t like this trade, but Poeltl is far from a soldier. You need to poke this guy everytime to work, came from offseason unprepared missing FT’s until 3rd of the season already, cowers against credible bigs. I agree he is getting better on FT lately, but too little too late. STILL, I think Spurs got shortchanged. :lol I expected at least 1 unprotected FRP, with what Spurs got for DJ and Derrick. Very underwhelming.

[DPG21920]

Probably bc Toronto will likely be in the lottery this year.

Good - give it to us then if you want Jak or piss off

[slick'81]

Spurs have what? 20 2rp's over the next several years :lmao

[John B]

So Zach starts with Bassey/Barlow as backups. I doubt they play Dedmon-walking, and Khem Bitch.

[timvp]

Damn, I was about to publish. Thought I had a few hours. 2,000 words down the drain :cry




But, yeah, the Raptors have been the team pushing the hardest for Poeltl for months now. Kinda like the trade at first look but have to look further.

[slick'81]

So Zach starts with Bassey/Barlow as backups. I doubt they play Dedmon-walking, and Khem Bitch.


khem bitch:rollin

[slick'81]

This trade was necessary to secure that top 3 worst record

[baseline bum]

Damn, I was about to publish. Thought I had a few hours. 2,000 words down the drain :cry




But, yeah, the Raptors have been the team pushing the hardest for Poeltl for months now. Kinda like the trade at first look but have to look further.

Any idea about the protections? Or did Ujiri just raw dog us again like it was 2018?

[cd98]

This team defense just got awful and it was already bad. Perfect for tanking. But we need Vassel to sit.

[timvp]

Any idea about the protections? Or did Ujiri just raw dog us again like it was 2018?

That's the question I'm trying to answer, tbh.

[DPG21920]

Damn, I was about to publish. Thought I had a few hours. 2,000 words down the drain :cry




But, yeah, the Raptors have been the team pushing the hardest for Poeltl for months now. Kinda like the trade at first look but have to look further.

Please show me what I’m missing. Khem is terrible and has money guaranteed. Sure, SA gets more cap space this year, but it hurts it (SA still ok there but why take on any money) next year for a nothing player and relented on not only getting 2 picks but it’s protected and not even this years pick which looks like it could be lottery??

[slick'81]

Noway spurs we're paying poodle. Think tor got us again but the protection will be telling

[timvp]

I hatteeeeeeee that they took on Khem in the deal. I wont care if its pick 8 or less protected but if its lottery protected and they took on Khem who unlike Jak has 7M guaranteed next season I will puke. So dumb to agree to Khem unless its a hell of a pick

Meh, $7M to the Spurs right now at this stage isn't anything to worry about, IMO. It's not like they are going to be going after a big free agent this summer. They'll continue to have more cap space than they'll know what to do with for the next year, it appears to me, tbh.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I hate already it was Khem.. ok you dont get GTJ and a first, I get that. But you ask for 2 firsts, get only one and take on 30 year old Khem who has 7M on the books guaranteed next year????

I also dont love that it’s not this years pick??? WHY???

It was always going to be Khem for salary matching purposes unless it was a three team trade, look at their contracts - there are hardly other alternatives. It's a cheap deal for a back up big, who cares. Not like the Spurs were going to use cap space in the summer in a meaningful way.

As for the pick being in 2024, it's difficult to know until we get info on the protections but perhaps, being where they are in the standings, they were more open to set a lower protection on their 2024 pick, rather than the 2023 one.

[kht]

COULDNT EVEN GET THE RAPTORS PICK THIS YEAR. fuck any 2nd rounders we coulda gotten. just give us their 2023 1st unprotected

terrible day to be a spurs fan since game 6

[timvp]

Please show me what I’m missing. Khem is terrible and has money guaranteed. Sure, SA gets more cap space this year, but it hurts it (SA still ok there but why take on any money) next year for a nothing player and relented on not only getting 2 picks but it’s protected and not even this years pick which looks like it could be lottery??

As I just posted, $7 million is whatev, IMO. For the next year, cap space doesn't appear like it'll be an issue.

I want to know the protection before I judge the trade, though. I like it well enough if the protection terms are decent.

[DPG21920]

Meh, $7M to the Spurs right now at this stage isn't anything to worry about, IMO. It's not like they are going to be going after a big free agent this summer. They'll continue to have more cap space than they'll know what to do with for the next year, it appears to me, tbh.

But why take KHEM on when you are giving up the best player in the deal?? You have the asset and let’s say Jak was going to cost 20M…Now it would have only been 13M which is worth it for Jak.

Like, I get its “ok” to be lazy but why do they always do this unless taking on that shit contract was for a purpose….like very limited protections. Otherwise make them give you a decent player or expiring. Don’t care if they have enough space it’s just bad business period IMO

[DPG21920]

It was always going to be Khem for salary matching purposes unless it was a three team trade, look at their contracts - there are hardly other alternatives. It's a cheap deal for a back up big, who cares. Not like the Spurs were going to use cap space in the summer in a meaningful way.

As for the pick being in 2024, it's difficult to know until we get info on the protections but perhaps, being where they are in the standings, they were more open to set a lower protection on their 2024 pick, rather than the 2023 one.

Huh? Thad young is sitting right there…

[slick'81]

Yea,this is not a great trade but a top 5 or soo protected would be nice

[timvp]

I'm not a big fan of this draft in the 10 to 25 range so I like it being 2024 -- as long as the pick isn't exceptionally protected.

[Robz4000]

:lol it's a top 20 protected pick

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

COULDNT EVEN GET THE RAPTORS PICK THIS YEAR. fuck any 2nd rounders we coulda gotten. just give us their 2023 1st unprotected

terrible day to be a spurs fan since game 6

No one is giving away their Wambanyama ticket. People should be way more reasonable when judging trades.

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So Zach starts with Bassey/Barlow as backups. I doubt they play Dedmon-walking, and Khem Bitch.

Bassey might just play better than Poeltl was over the last 2 weeks.

Bassey potentially getting some consistent run in SA might just be the one silver lining I take from this depending on how protected the pick turns out to be.

[baseline bum]

As I just posted, $7 million is whatev, IMO. For the next year, cap space doesn't appear like it'll be an issue.

I want to know the protection before I judge the trade, though. I like it well enough if the protection terms are decent.

Define decent

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I can’t imagine this being worse than any offer we got tomorrow afternoon tbh! That’s probably my biggest issue

[DPG21920]

I dont understand this always cavalier attitude of being lazy in deals just because “you can” lol. I really dont. Thad Young was right there for the taking.

I dont really care if SA doesn’t have plans for the cap space, Khem is a bad deal and no reason SA should have had that forced upon them IMO because its not good period. Not bad does not equal good.

It’s money they could have used to absorb maybe a Simmons deal next year vs not. Or whatever. Just no reason to be lazy for no good reason like saying it’s ok to overpay for a car just because you are rich. Value is value and SA better have gotten a GREAT pick for both relenting on 2 firsts and taking KHEM

[baseline bum]

:lol it's a top 20 protected pick

Link?

[DPG21920]

No one is giving away their Wambanyama ticket. People should be way more reasonable when judging trades.

WHat? Just protect it top 3 and problem solved..

[slick'81]

Nba low balling spurs into a corner again

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Top 1-3 protected is probably the only way I’d say decent

[slick'81]

Top 1-3 protected is probably the only way I’d say decent

that be great imo

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Huh? Thad young is sitting right there…

Doubt he was ever in play, he's a part of their rotation. Spurs have zero need of him.

The contract of Birch is cheap. It's weird getting wound up on the contract coming back. It's all about the pick's protections - this is what makes or breaks the deal from the Spurs perspective. Who cares if the Spurs have 60 mil or 53 mil of cap space plus a back up big in the summer.

[DPG21920]

Doubt he was ever in play, he's a part of their rotation. Spurs have zero need of him.

The contract of Birch is cheap. It's weird getting wound up on the contract coming back. It's all about the pick's protections - this is what makes or breaks the deal from the Spurs perspective. Who cares if the Spurs have 60 mil or 53 mil of cap space plus a back up big in the summer.

Correct to a degree (which I already said). If it’s lightly protected like pick 8 or less. Don’t care much for Khem side because that was compensation for doing it. Top 10 or worse then I think it’s pretty silly to take on Khem for that when your asking price was 2 firsts and you only got one. And it’s not cheap. Khem isnt an nba player IMO. He’s eating up a solid number (not for Spurs but in general). He’s a league min guy

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

WHat? Just protect it top 3 and problem solved..

It's solved if they wanted to do it. Clearly they weren't going to and no one else was.

[Rubberducky]

Top4 protected would be nice, Top10 is acceptable, but I think it's time to burn it all down when it inevitably pops up in the teen's.

Course we won't know until tmrw since one of the biggest trades in NBA history came 5 minutes later.

[R. DeMurre]

Moses Brown to the Spurs, according to Shams...

[szkorhetz]

For who?

[DPG21920]

It's solved if they wanted to do it. Clearly they weren't going to and no one else was.

You have to start asking questions then if SA messed up letting Jak tank his value playing for this bad team with no point guard vs trading him in off season etc…

I was just refuting your point about it being about Wemby when that is so easily resolved as I mentioned.

[Robz4000]

For who?

Cash Considerations

[DPG21920]

Moses Brown to the Spurs, according to Shams...

Fake

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Doubt he was ever in play, he's a part of their rotation. Spurs have zero need of him.

The contract of Birch is cheap. It's weird getting wound up on the contract coming back. It's all about the pick's protections - this is what makes or breaks the deal from the Spurs perspective. Who cares if the Spurs have 60 mil or 53 mil of cap space plus a back up big in the summer.

Part of a 26-30 roster rotation? Come on man. Toronto is and was going nowhere. Thad was the better option for us.

Yet, it appears as though we got manhandled.

And I'll say this if it's actually a top 15 or 20 protected pick as someone stated above, inaddition to this Birch nonsense, Wright has got to go.

[Robz4000]

Moses Brown is ass tbh.

[Robz4000]

Fake

:lol

[DPG21920]

Again, I too am awaiting the pick. Big picture thats all that matters. I dont care if y’all think I’m being pedantic either; this FO has a lot to prove and every move is critical. Yes, some matter more than others and not making huge mistakes is the only important thing.

However, details matter. Every little thing matters in the nba and every edge. Don’t be lazy; dont do things for free and dont fall on the crutch of having “enough” cap space to justify not getting optimal deal. But again, if it’s a top 8 or less pick? I will consider that payment for taking such a dumb player back

[timvp]

I dont understand this always cavalier attitude of being lazy in deals just because “you can” lol. I really dont. Thad Young was right there for the taking.

I dont really care if SA doesn’t have plans for the cap space, Khem is a bad deal and no reason SA should have had that forced upon them IMO because its not good period. Not bad does not equal good.

It’s money they could have used to absorb maybe a Simmons deal next year vs not. Or whatever. Just no reason to be lazy for no good reason like saying it’s ok to overpay for a car just because you are rich. Value is value and SA better have gotten a GREAT pick for both relenting on 2 firsts and taking KHEM

To be totally honest, the reason why I like this deal at first blush is because the other Raptors deal that I heard about today was Thaddeus, Banton and a heavily protected first that immediately flipped to a second rounder if it didn't convey. I'd rather the Spurs get Birch, a not as heavily protected first (hopefully) and two seconds.

This deal also looks better than what the Celtics were offering (PP, Gallo and that 2028 pick outright instead of the swap).

[DPG21920]

Again, I too am awaiting the pick. Big picture thats all that matters. I dont care if y’all think I’m being pedantic either; this FO has a lot to prove and every move is critical. Yes, some matter more than others and not making huge mistakes is the only important thing.

However, details matter. Every little thing matters in the nba and every edge. Don’t be lazy; dont do things for free and dont fall on the crutch of having “enough” cap space to justify not getting optimal deal. But again, if it’s a top 8 or less pick? I will consider that payment for taking such a dumb player back

[Larry O]

In my opinion, I can see Dedmon walking and bye-bye to Birch in a buyout, and Bassey gets called up from the ATX to come off the bench. Zollins will get the nod to start in the post Poeltl era. But time will tell though...

[R. DeMurre]

Fake


oh, shit, you're right. The fake Shams account got me.

[PhantomDashCam]

Poeltl a good soldier?? :lmao I mean I don’t like this trade, but Poeltl is far from a soldier. You need to poke this guy everytime to work, came from offseason unprepared missing FT’s until 3rd of the season already, cowers against credible bigs. I agree he is getting better on FT lately, but too little too late. STILL, I think Spurs got shortchanged. :lol I expected at least 1 unprotected FRP, with what Spurs got for DJ and Derrick. Very underwhelming.

I don’t know what to tell you. Soldier doesn’t simply refer to physicality or having a battle hardened quality (although it certainly can though that’s not what I’m necessarily referring to here).

Since he came to the Spurs, he never played less than 80% of his eligible games.
He was never involved in conduct detrimental to team culture.
He just went out there, performed his role and anchored a team with defensive sieves such as DDR, Doug McDermott, Bryn Forbes and Keldon Johnson at one point or another.

[FutureMan]

The more I think about it, top 5-7 is where the protection should land… we’ll see if Wright knows what he is doing.

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Again, I too am awaiting the pick. Big picture thats all that matters. I dont care if y’all think I’m being pedantic either; this FO has a lot to prove and every move is critical. Yes, some matter more than others and not making huge mistakes is the only important thing.

However, details matter. Every little thing matters in the nba and every edge. Don’t be lazy; dont do things for free and dont fall on the crutch of having “enough” cap space to justify not getting optimal deal. But again, if it’s a top 8 or less pick? I will consider that payment for taking such a dumb player back

And even then, it's so grossly below the expectation bar they themselves evidently eagerly put out into the public sphere of not moving Poeltl for less than 2 FRPs or one unprotected and young player with some upside.

They might have gotten none of those things. Which is why I'll officially be on the fire Wright bandwagon once we find out the protections. A top 10 protected is far too much for me given Poeltl was a top 10 and was heavily sought after by his initial draft team. That should easily be a top 5, or top 8, AT WORST, protected pick.

[DPG21920]

To be totally honest, the reason why I like this deal at first blush is because the other Raptors deal that I heard about today was Thaddeus, Banton and a heavily protected first that immediately flipped to a second rounder if it didn't convey. I'd rather the Spurs get Birch, a not as heavily protected first (hopefully) and two seconds.

This deal also looks better than what the Celtics were offering (PP, Gallo and that 2028 pick outright instead of the swap).

Correct. If Khem was the cost of compensation? Fine. I get it. But until we know I am assuming worst. But I would have been ok walking away with Jak and paying him functionally 13M in year 1 even if deals weren’t good enough too.

I honestly think, if TOR deal is pick 10 or worse protected (so 10-14) that I would rather have fully unprotected BOS pick and keep SA own.

[spurraider21]

Yeah. Yaks subpar play meant spurs had to cave

[DPG21920]

Like I easily take the BOS deal lol…am I crazy. I value having your own picks more than a lot of things…so a chance to get basically a fully unprotected pick and keep your own? Ya, I get it that SA can still swap if its pick 2 and thats amazing…..but unless this raps pick protection is SO light, is a lottery protected first from TOR better than keeping your own pick? I dont know about that…

[slick'81]

Raptors use kawhi to ring and get poodle power back:lobt2:

[RC_Drunkford]

really depends on the protections, but seems the Spurs got fleeced here

[tim_duncan_fan]

Raptors use kawhi to ring and get poodle power back:lobt2:

Had us train him for a couple years and then got him back for the 28th pick in the draft lol

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Raptors use kawhi to ring and get poodle power back:lobt2:

Wright gifting low cost loans and LOBs to Toronto.

[DPG21920]

What happened to Jaks value? I wanted Josh and Doug and Jak moved pre-season for this very reason….Hard to argue anyone improved their value by waiting and it was obvious all should be trade candidates too.

Oh well. Hopefully we get some collective good news on the picks and more moves to keep this train rolling at least. As of now, UTA, HOU, OKC and a few others have more assets than SA unfortunately and our division is absolutely brutal with Dallas landing their star in Luka, MEM getting Ja, NO getting Zion (and having extra picks) and god forbid HOU landing Wemby while owning all of BKY picks.

That’s why I nitpick. It’s an arms race and SA is behind and can’t cut corners and or get lazy/fleeced.

[timvp]

Like I easily take the BOS deal lol…am I crazy. I value having your own picks more than a lot of things…so a chance to get basically a fully unprotected pick and keep your own? Ya, I get it that SA can still swap if its pick 2 and thats amazing…..but unless this raps pick protection is SO light, is a lottery protected first from TOR better than keeping your own pick? I dont know about that…

The value of that Boston pick is difficult to figure out. If you're already getting the better pick (as long as it's not Boston's #1 overall pick), you're limiting the upside quite a bit.

Let's see what kind of protections this pick has. And let's see if it still flips to a second rounder right away.

Plus, I want to know if the Spurs got their second round pick this year. That looks like it could be quite valuable. A 30-something pick and a first rounder that isn't heavily protected -- and another second rounder? Yeah, pretty good -- especially compared to these other trades that were scaring me today :lol

[DPG21920]

The value of that Boston pick is difficult to figure out. If you're already getting the better pick (as long as it's not Boston's #1 overall pick), you're limiting the upside quite a bit.

Let's see what kind of protections this pick has. And let's see if it still flips to a second rounder right away.

Plus, I want to know if the Spurs got their second round pick this year. That looks like it could be quite valuable. A 30-something pick and a first rounder that isn't heavily protected -- and another second rounder? Yeah, pretty good -- especially compared to these other trades that were scaring me today :lol

I mean, it’s 2028 with the Spurs pick….how good of a pick from TOR would it have to be to choose that over your own pick? I would say anything 10+ and the BOS deal looks MUCH better

[slick'81]

Atleast the spurs didnt sign and trade jakob for absolutely nothing

[Rubberducky]

Someone on a Raptors forum just pointed out that the trade fails in trade machine.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I mean, it’s 2028 with the Spurs pick….how good of a pick from TOR would it have to be to choose that over your own pick? I would say anything 10+ and the BOS deal looks MUCH better

To me the important part of the protections isn't the initial one, but whether they get reduced in the following years. Say, top 10, top 8, top 8 or something like that would be great. If it turns into 2nds immediately then obviously the value plummets.

[itzsoweezee]

Stop trading with Toronto. Wtf

[slick'81]

Spurs desperately need a top2 pick in this upcoming draft

[timvp]

That 2023 Raptors second rounder would be 39 right now. That'd be a pretty sweet one to get in this trade, IMO.

[slick'81]

Stop trading with Toronto. Wtf

its like brian wrights goto:lmao

[offset formation]

SRPs are so overvalued on this board. They rarely if ever turn into even 3 yr vets, let alone 10 yr vets, let alone all-star vets. Let alone HOF vets.

"So on a flat base, the odds that a team will find a player who sticks in the league for three-plus years in the second round are roughly the same as finding a player who isn’t good enough to ever play."

From a really good article I read recently:

https://the-cauldron.com/the-2nd-round-and-misuse-of-probability-402639df1038#:~:text=In%20that%20time%2C%20at%20le ast,percent%20of%20the%20total%20sample.

[DPG21920]

To me the important part of the protections isn't the initial one, but whether they get reduced in the following years. Say, top 10, top 8, top 8 or something like that would be great. If it turns into 2nds immediately then obviously the value plummets.

Absolutely - on the surface though with the only known (Khem) it screams SA settled and Jaks value wasn’t good….which then begs two questions: Why did SA tank his value and hold on too long and/or why didnt SA just keep him since he’s a good player (and this is from someone that wanted him traded - I just never thought his value fell so far assuming this pick is lottery protected or falls off sharply as you said)

[slick'81]

That 2023 Raptors second rounder would be 39 right now. That'd be a pretty sweet one to get in this trade, IMO.
Lightly protected 1st and tor next two seconds

[DPG21920]

That 2023 Raptors second rounder would be 39 right now. That'd be a pretty sweet one to get in this trade, IMO.

So you are saying you would take on that 2nd rounder for Khem’s deal in isolation?

[DPG21920]

I am going to jump off of a very high cliff if HOU lands Wemby lol

Mavs: Generational talent in Luka

NO: Possible multi all nba maybe MVP caliber if healthy Zion + extra picks

MEM: Franchise engine in Ja and JJJ

HOU: Generational talent possibly in Wemby + all of imploded BKY picks

SA: Khem Birch and a lottery protected pick lmao

[offset formation]

Someone on a Raptors forum just pointed out that the trade fails in trade machine.

Bwa haahahahaha

[slick'81]

https://youtu.be/SYg-_S6HiOA

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https://youtu.be/SYg-_S6HiOA

You starting his ST fan page slick?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Absolutely - on the surface though with the only known (Khem) it screams SA settled and Jaks value wasn’t good….which then begs two questions: Why did SA tank his value and hold on too long and/or why didnt SA just keep him since he’s a good player (and this is from someone that wanted him traded - I just never thought his value fell so far assuming this pick is lottery protected or falls off sharply as you said)

I would have also favoured keeping Jak, even at something like 4/80 in the summer, but as far as trade value goes, I doubt his was ever that high. Role players that are about to get paid don't fetch 2 firsts, never have, let alone good firsts.

[timvp]

Someone on a Raptors forum just pointed out that the trade fails in trade machine.

That's a good point :lol

Guessing the Spurs get Banton too.

[offset formation]

That's a good point :lol

Guessing the Spurs get Banton too.

Now we're cooking with gas...or hot air...one of the two.

[DPG21920]

I would have also favoured keeping Jak, even at something like 4/80 in the summer, but as far as trade value goes, I doubt his was ever that high. Role players that are about to get paid don't fetch 2 firsts, never have, let alone good firsts.

He’s a winning guy though so I at least expected a pick equal to or better than where he was drafted (10) + no ballast and maybe a player that has value (like a Richardson type).

[DPG21920]

End of the day I am glad he’s gone. I didn’t want SA paying a Center who has quite frankly fallen off some 20M or anything close. I doubt he gets that. I bet 65m or something like that. But SA isnt going to be a playoff team even with Wemby and they arent finding a PG next year that is playoff ready either so Jak would still fall off.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

It's funny that the discourse "Poeltl is a good rim protector" inflated last season by local residents, based on really very impressive, but deceptive statistics, began to fade this season. Some attribute the weak performance of the Austrian to the unwillingness of the rest of the team to defend. Others - on the wrong scheme. Still others on the lack of personal motivation. People don’t want to admit that there was nothing special there, because last season they all actively told how good Poeltl is.
He's a role player that has never cost 2 FRP.

[Ditty]

A chance for six total first round picks in the 2024 and 2025 draft. A lot of draft assets to play with if we hit the lotto for Wemby.

[illusioNtEk]

Based on how bad this deal was for us IMO... I have reason to believe Toronto "owes us one" in the future.

[baseline bum]

To be totally honest, the reason why I like this deal at first blush is because the other Raptors deal that I heard about today was Thaddeus, Banton and a heavily protected first that immediately flipped to a second rounder if it didn't convey. I'd rather the Spurs get Birch, a not as heavily protected first (hopefully) and two seconds.

This deal also looks better than what the Celtics were offering (PP, Gallo and that 2028 pick outright instead of the swap).

Fucking hell, so this is going to be heavily protected huh?

[TDMVPDPOY]

raiding picks, but still cant get anyone with capspace or getting anything back quality wise if patfo missed out on the powerball

[duncan2150]

It's an average deal imo, not bad not really good but this is close to Poeltl value. A first and two second for him seems logic.

Not bad overall

[Big Empty]

Purtle was solid, but not worth 2 FRPs. If he was a defensive anchor we wouldnt have a Wemby lottery record and historically bad defense. Im a tank supporter btw. Every nba team knew that despite our Rudy Gobert comparisons

[baseline bum]

It's an average deal imo, not bad not really good but this is close to Poeltl value. A first and two second for him seems logic.

Not bad overall

It's going to be a horrible deal if it has protection that causes it to be likely to convert into two seconds like the Charlotte pick.

[gambit1990]

I am going to jump off of a very high cliff if HOU lands Wemby lol

Mavs: Generational talent in Luka

NO: Possible multi all nba maybe MVP caliber if healthy Zion + extra picks

MEM: Franchise engine in Ja and JJJ

HOU: Generational talent possibly in Wemby + all of imploded BKY picks

SA: Khem Birch and a lottery protected pick lmao
it’s almost as if someone made a thread predicting this …

[rankingtear]

End of the day I am glad he’s gone. I didn’t want SA paying a Center who has quite frankly fallen off some 20M or anything close. I doubt he gets that. I bet 65m or something like that. But SA isnt going to be a playoff team even with Wemby and they arent finding a PG next year that is playoff ready either so Jak would still fall off.

Poeltl already got that contract once TOR traded for him.

[ambchang]

That birch contract alone is worth 2 SRPs. Poetl for a protected first is weak.

Better have another interesting prospect coming in and the protection not be anything more than top 3.

[Ariel]

That birch contract alone is worth 2 SRPs.
Difficult to argue with that, considering Dedmon's expiring was worth 1 2nd, and Birch is under contract for 1 season beyond this one @7M

[Vince Carter's ankle]

That birch contract alone is worth 2 SRPs. Poetl for a protected first is weak.

Better have another interesting prospect coming in and the protection not be anything more than top 3.
What team made that offer for an overrated role player who can't handle star big men and would be a weak spot in playoff clutch situations on an expiring contract?

[scott]

In the end, Jak was not a cultural fit

[KingKev]

Should we just merge with our besties the Toronto Raptors?

I’m glad we got anything for Jak. Paying him 20/yr this offseason wasn’t going to age well. Anyone who though he was worth 2FRPs or an unprotected FRP was always clueless.

Now lets dump JRich for an expiring and an SRP and close out this miserable season in epic fashion. I see us hopefully getting 2-4 more FRPs for Keldon and Vassell in the coming 2-3 years. Hopefully by then we have a drafted a few cornerstone type talents.

[JPB]

That's just the max spurs could get. Better that than nothing. they don't dictate the market and demand wasn't that high for Poetl. They were never getting 2 unprotected fRPs.

[JPB]

KD just got traded to the Suns lol

4FPRs and a FRP swap, Oomph!

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

That's just the max spurs could get. Better that than nothing. they don't dictate the market and demand wasn't that high for Poetl. They were never getting 2 unprotected fRPs.

Yeah a lot of posters and analysts have read the market in a wrong way it seems. Look at Utah's trade - they traded 3 players, each one worth a lottery protected first in a vacuum, plus 3 seconds for a single top 4 protected Lakers pick, which turns into a single second immediately. Basically if Lakers are that bad post LeBron Utah might end up with a 2027 34th pick for their troubles. Two of the three second round picks they're trading could end up being better than this.

Hopefully something changes today but it doesn't seem like selling teams are getting good value at all.

[mo7888]

Any reports on the Toronto protections yet?

[duncan2150]

Any reports on the Toronto protections yet?

not reported yet

[KingKev]

Yeah a lot of posters and analysts have read the market in a wrong way it seems. Look at Utah's trade - they traded 3 players, each one worth a lottery protected first in a vacuum, plus 3 seconds for a single top 4 protected Lakers pick, which turns into a single second immediately. Basically if Lakers are that bad post LeBron Utah might end up with a 2027 34th pick for their troubles. Two of the three second round picks they're trading could end up being better than this.

Hopefully something changes today but it doesn't seem like selling teams are getting good value at all.

Agreed. The reality is we also have very little of value to sell to begin with.

[exstatic]

Spurs: "We do right by our guys, even if they're guys like Nephew."

They didn’t do right by Nephew. They fucked him, and made him give up $39M on his subsequent contract by not trading him to LA.

[KingKev]

They didn’t do right by Nephew. They fucked him, and made him give up $39M on his subsequent contract by not trading him to LA.

This is true. They also fucked themselves. Atleast TO has been a friendlier trading partner since.

[Mr. Body]

They didn’t do right by Nephew. They fucked him, and made him give up $39M on his subsequent contract by not trading him to LA.

Is this sarcasm? Lol

[Mr. Body]

I'm glad to move on. He clearly had trouble playing for a shitty team. It's going to be hard to replace him, but maybe Bassey pans out some.

Meanwhile, people are bitching about Khem. Who Bayes about Khem.

[exstatic]

Is this sarcasm? Lol

No. Not taking the Bird contract offered by TOR cost him $39M.

[Degoat]

The deals fair tbh I just hate that we never seem to get a young prospect in return

[Mr. Body]

No. Not taking the Bird contract offered by TOR cost him $39M.

No, the language about not doing right by him. Why did they owe him anything?

[Mr. Body]

The deals fair tbh I just hate that we never seem to get a young prospect in return

They might still get that Buju Banton fellow.

[KingKev]

The deals fair tbh I just hate that we never seem to get a young prospect in return

This. So much dead cap and useless 2nd round picks. How are we not able to find young prospects who have fallen out of favour elsewhere?

Getting Langford is the closest to that.

[Mr. Body]

Romeo Langford is your young prospect. That's what a young prospect looks like.

This team also has four nineteen year olds already. It has two draft picks this year, more upcoming. And Charles Bassey. Exactly how many players do you think can play at a time.

[ambchang]

What team made that offer for an overrated role player who can't handle star big men and would be a weak spot in playoff clutch situations on an expiring contract?

I honestly would rather take the Boston deal

[Degoat]

Romeo Langford is your young prospect. That's what a young prospect looks like.

This team also has four nineteen year olds already. It has two draft picks this year, more upcoming. And Charles Bassey. Exactly how many players do you think can play at a time.

When you’re a crappy team as many as possible to see who can be here for the long term.

[ambchang]

Yeah a lot of posters and analysts have read the market in a wrong way it seems. Look at Utah's trade - they traded 3 players, each one worth a lottery protected first in a vacuum, plus 3 seconds for a single top 4 protected Lakers pick, which turns into a single second immediately. Basically if Lakers are that bad post LeBron Utah might end up with a 2027 34th pick for their troubles. Two of the three second round picks they're trading could end up being better than this.

Hopefully something changes today but it doesn't seem like selling teams are getting good value at all.

Worst case scenario for Jazz is if the Lakers just miss the playoffs but somehow leap frog everyone and got a top 4 pick. Stuff like this always happens for the Lakers.

[Mr. Body]

When you’re a crappy team as many as possible to see who can be here for the long term.

Cf my how many players can you play at a time comment

Great, so you get another Romeo Langford to eat up the development of your other players.

[Degoat]

Cf my how many players can you play at a time comment

Great, so you get another Romeo Langford to eat up the development of your other players.

Nope they get the minutes that Jakob, Richardson have eaten up. And guys are in and out constantly on a tanking team, there’s plenty of opportunity to be had.

[Ariel]

Cf my how many players can you play at a time comment

Great, so you get another Romeo Langford to eat up the development of your other players.
I think we can do 3/year if we speed up the rotation. Langford may be a usable role player down the road, but have to make a decision on him this offseason. May be kept on a short contract, say 2 years with last one a team option, but beyond that at some point you have to cut the cord. If his ceiling is backup defensive wing, you can't keep yourself from trying better prospects for that. I'd give him one more season to show how much he can improve, then move on.

[KingKev]

Nope they get the minutes that Jakob, Richardson have eaten up. And guys are in and out constantly on a tanking team, there’s plenty of opportunity to be had.

Yeah tough to argue there isn’t enough opportunity to go around. If Isaiah Roby isn’t developing ebough it’s probably because he isn’t an NBA player. That statement holds true for 1/5th of our roster.

[Chomag]

What's the point of getting more cap space if Spurs don't use it?

[CGD]

They must be still figuring out the pieces. Even from a roster space perspective, spurs would have to cut or send out someone if TOR sends out another player.

General thoughts right now: I like this given the circumstances.

[Mr. Body]

Nope they get the minutes that Jakob, Richardson have eaten up. And guys are in and out constantly on a tanking team, there’s plenty of opportunity to be had.

Nah there's plenty of young mouths right now. I can't imagine adding another Romeo Langford at the moment. What's the point?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

They must be still figuring out the pieces. Even from a roster space perspective, spurs would have to cut or send out someone if TOR sends out another player.

General thoughts right now: I like this given the circumstances.

Toronto have to send someone cheap to make the deal work, say Banton. Spurs would cut Dedmon to make it work.

But it's possible they're also working on expanding the deal, could even become a part of a potentially upcoming OG trade.

[szkorhetz]

Toronto have to send someone cheap to make the deal work, say Banton. Spurs would cut Dedmon to make it work.

But it's possible they're also working on expanding the deal, could even become a part of a potentially upcoming OG trade.
I still don't get why they want to trade OG.
For me he seems like a good complementary to Scottie.

[MannyIsGod]

I think it's fine to wait to see if this is a good trade but it certainly isn't a bad trade. They set a high price and many of you "fans" are clowning them for it as it they didn't do that they would have somehow been better off? Yall.sound like expert negotiators tbh. I think poeltl has been mediocre this season so that didn't help much but in any event this strengthens the tank that started in the summer. Honestly my biggest worry was that today would come and go with Jakob still on the team.

[KingKev]

I still don't get why they want to trade OG.
For me he seems like a good complementary to Scottie.

Now that they have a true 5 OG, Siakim and Barnes are a tad redundant. He is also inline for a nice pay raise after next year. Perfect time to sell high.

Paying GTJ, OG and FVV over the next two years is just silly. Sell high and rebalance the roster.

[CGD]

They must be still figuring out the pieces. Even from a roster space perspective, spurs would have to cut or send out someone if TOR sends out another player.

General thoughts right now: I like this given the circumstances.

Actually, not sure where the idea that TOR has to send another player to match salaries came from. Jakob-Birch works straight up.

[The Truth #6]

Hey, it sounds like we got two unprotected picks!

Just not in the first round…

Bolano looks like a decent player if we can get him. Good passer/court vision.

Boston trade might have been better but we’ll see.

[Atl Spur]

This. So much dead cap and useless 2nd round picks. How are we not able to find young prospects who have fallen out of favour elsewhere?

Getting Langford is the closest to that.

Way to shortsighted….. the 2nd round is a modern day goldmine!

[poopbox]

no shit. From two firsts for poodle to back to tor to get raped

We were never getting 2 1st for Poeltl. Nobody ever at any point in time offered 2 1st for Poeltl. That was just an outright lie the front office was pushing. Nobody in the nba is paying that for Poeltl skillset.

Don't let the T wolves and Hawks trade fool you. Those teams front offices are super desperate and had to sign a splash player cause they jobs are on the line. That is why they gave up all that draft capital, cause if it doesn't work they getting fired in the off season so why would they care about draft picks for a team 3 years after they are all gone? Deals like that are not, and won't ever be, the norm.

I am shocked the spurs were able to get multiple picks for Poeltl at all. He sucks at offense. Get's shit on by any big with a pulse. Spends half the year making 40% of his freethrows, and his a foul magnet 1 out of every 5 games he play's.

Let me ask you this, if the spurs had traded two 1st round picks to obtain Poeltl, would you think that was a good trade? If not, then why do you think some other team would, and should, do it?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Actually, not sure where the idea that TOR has to send another player to match salaries came from. Jakob-Birch works straight up.

It doesn't work straight up unless there are other deals, because with Poeltl's contract Toronto become a taxpaying team, which limits the amount they can get back in a trade to 125% + 100K. There likely will be more moves, or the trade expanded.

[Fireball]

just horrible

[Mugen]

:lol Let's be real, it's BWrong....that 1st rounder is probably top 28 protected and will never convey

[DPG21920]

Poeltl already got that contract once TOR traded for him.

Not at all. I mean, seems logical, but I doubt he gets 20M

[Dex]

I think it's fine to wait to see if this is a good trade but it certainly isn't a bad trade. They set a high price and many of you "fans" are clowning them for it as it they didn't do that they would have somehow been better off? Yall.sound like expert negotiators tbh. I think poeltl has been mediocre this season so that didn't help much but in any event this strengthens the tank that started in the summer. Honestly my biggest worry was that today would come and go with Jakob still on the team.

Yep, when you are having a garage sale you mark everything for $5 more than you think it's worth, expecting that anybody interested in it is going to want to shave off five bucks and will walk away feeling like they got a deal.

If they happen to pay that extra 5 bucks, even better.

[CGD]

It doesn't work straight up unless there are other deals, because with Poeltl's contract Toronto become a taxpaying team, which limits the amount they can get back in a trade to 125% + 100K. There likely will be more moves, or the trade expanded.

I see now, thx

[CGD]

just horrible

What else did you want?
Obviously we still have to see the protections

[Ariel]

The one thing that kind of disappoints me, is that we weren't able to add Koloko to the mix. He's better value than the 2nd rounders, and I'd think with Poeltl on board, he should become expendable in Toronto.

[SpurSpike]

Hard to believe there wasn't at least 1 team that would give us an unprotected 1st round pick for a starting caliber center.

[Rev Hill]

The terms around the protected pick is the key...I get why teams do it, but typically on the end of the pick recipient it means "if the pick is good we can't have it; but its ours when its crap".

[Eaglenole2002]

There was very little point in signing Jakob after this season. As long as it’s a likely to convey FRP, I don’t see how anyone could have an issue with this deal. It’s something for nothing, and it’s not like we k or of another offer that’s a slam dunk.

[poopbox]

I don’t know what to tell you. Soldier doesn’t simply refer to physicality or having a battle hardened quality (although it certainly can though that’s not what I’m necessarily referring to here).

Since he came to the Spurs, he never played less than 80% of his eligible games.
He was never involved in conduct detrimental to team culture.
He just went out there, performed his role and anchored a team with defensive sieves such as DDR, Doug McDermott, Bryn Forbes and Keldon Johnson at one point or another.

But all of these teams were terrible defensively so he didn't really anchor anything.

That is the problem with Poeltl. There is this thought that he is somehow a good defender who does something for your team. He's not. If you already have good defenders he won't fuck it up, but if you have bad defenders he is not good enough to fix it.

Which is why he was never getting 2 1st round picks. Cause nobody is paying that for a player that doesn't actually fix your defense.

It's all nice and cute he got all these good solo advanced defensive metrics. The end result of that for us was awful defense and giving up tons of points, so why would we care?

[DPG21920]

Yeah a lot of posters and analysts have read the market in a wrong way it seems. Look at Utah's trade - they traded 3 players, each one worth a lottery protected first in a vacuum, plus 3 seconds for a single top 4 protected Lakers pick, which turns into a single second immediately. Basically if Lakers are that bad post LeBron Utah might end up with a 2027 34th pick for their troubles. Two of the three second round picks they're trading could end up being better than this.

Hopefully something changes today but it doesn't seem like selling teams are getting good value at all.

None of UTA guy are very good. They are all average to below average and so easily replaced and they cleared Conleys deal off their books entirely. So they got paid at worst a 2nd to clear 15M off their books and at best? Get pick 5 for guys that are all MLE type players and all easy to obtain.

It’s why I built the trade I did for SA with Josh/Doug/COllins/Tre for that same 1 first. I had the value pretty well pegged I would say for this market. Jak deal is still a bit disappointing- it was clear in off season these guys should be moved and that holding on to them would do nothing but nuke value and it appears that happened some. To what degree? tough to tell but no way anyone can argue holding them helped.

But Spurs taking on a bad deal in Khem makes no sense unless they got paid to do it. Just have to see. Because in a bubble, would you have taken on Khems deal in isolation for 2 2nd? Maybe thats fair given SA cap situation. But then that makes it 1 FRP for Jak and the protections matter huge.

[John B]

Hard to believe there wasn't at least 1 team that would give us an unprotected 1st round pick for a starting caliber center.

B-but Poeltl is a top 10 center :lol

[TheChillFactor]

I’m a big Poeltl critique, but I think Spurs got shortchanged with protected FRP and 2 future SRP, if Gobert got 3 FRP unprotected plus 1 protected. I would’ve exoected at keast 1 unprotected FRP for Poeltl plus those 2 SRP tbh

This is the good shit right here - "i don't think he's good but i think we should have gotten more for him" lmao jesus christ

[CGD]

Hard to believe there wasn't at least 1 team that would give us an unprotected 1st round pick for a starting caliber center.

If he still had more years on his deal maybe, but that was never likely in my view.

[Cabrito]

Would people feel better if the Spurs demanded they wanted only one first pick for Poetl? He is on an expiring deal and a strong role player. That’s all Poetl is and because we didn’t fleece Toronto doesn’t mean we got fleeced.

[LeBowen]

Would've rather kept him and tried our luck with S&T in the summer than this garbage deal.
Had to get at least one decent prospect back if the pick is protected.

[Ariel]

B-but Poeltl is a top 10 center :lol
That's not it. He's definitely an above average center, but he's expiring and getting exposed because of how bad the team is. And probably unmotivated. But this same Poeltl on a team that makes him look better and a good long term contract, that'd be a different story. Context makes a HUGE difference.

[DPG21920]

I think it's fine to wait to see if this is a good trade but it certainly isn't a bad trade. They set a high price and many of you "fans" are clowning them for it as it they didn't do that they would have somehow been better off? Yall.sound like expert negotiators tbh. I think poeltl has been mediocre this season so that didn't help much but in any event this strengthens the tank that started in the summer. Honestly my biggest worry was that today would come and go with Jakob still on the team.

Ya - at end of the day paying Jak was the worst thing. This team isnt winning any time soon and he’s good on a winner. His value was down because we have no lead guard and is that changing soon? He gets way more expensive at the same time so it just didnt make sense. I am glad their heads in the FO are in the right spot; just disappointed at the moment in the initial return especially if it’s a fully lotto protected pick.

But I like the direction and hope Richardson and Doug (or at least one) are moved too. Keep it going. This is an arms race and every asset counts.

[Mr. Body]

That's not it. He's definitely an above average center, but he's expiring and getting exposed because of how bad the team is. And probably unmotivated. But this same Poeltl on a team that makes him look better and a good long term contract, that'd be a different story. Context makes a HUGE difference.

Hear hear. People are stupid, what's new?

Poeltl with a good perimeter defense is a very good team defender. That's not what this team has, like, at all.

[DPG21920]

I am very happy Spurs FO have decided to trade and pick direction. It was a sore spot and sorely lacking for years. They still hold onto guys for too long IMO and haven’t figured out how to maximize value yet.

It was obvious Josh and any other guy that was a real trade candidate should have been strongly considered to move last season or this off season before their values lessened.

[exstatic]

No, the language about not doing right by him. Why did they owe him anything?

Read the original post. Someone said the Spurs DID right by him, and I was refuting that.

[exstatic]

When you’re a crappy team as many as possible to see who can be here for the long term.

You cant develop that many players at one time. Players come into the league so raw, that you have to teach the, everything,rocker step, triple threat position,etc.

[tbdog]

I actually thought it would Thad Young and a top 10 protected was out there. Young would have bought out. So at least we might get a second for birch next season. Probably not. And this two seconds gives more flexibility in the future. But it comes down to the protection. And it's year. Top 10 protected for next years draft would be good value.

[SpurSpike]

Guess we will see how good this trade is when

a. We find out the protections
b. What kind of contract Poeltl ends up getting once he hits free agency. Poeltl strikes me as the type of player that would sign a team friendly contract...

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Guess we will see how good this trade is when

a. We find out the protections
b. What kind of contract Poeltl ends up getting once he hits free agency. Poeltl strikes me as the type of player that would sign a team friendly contract...

This is an important point. I doubt Poeltl gives up a cent because this is his big opportunity to make money and his next contract will take him through his prime years.

One thing we can be certain about it that after having contract extension talks with him the Spurs FO know exactly what he's looking for and this knowledge might have had its role in the reasons for the trade.

[KingKev]

This is the good shit right here - "i don't think he's good but i think we should have gotten more for him" lmao jesus christ

Lol I was just about to write something similar
John B you are true die hard fan through thick and thin and I respect that.

[rankingtear]

1-6 until 2026 the good draft. Yeah good trade. +This year's second.

[DPG21920]

This is an important point. I doubt Poeltl gives up a cent because this is his big opportunity to make money and his next contract will take him through his prime years.

One thing we can be certain about it that after having contract extension talks with him the Spurs FO know exactly what he's looking for and this knowledge might have had its role in the reasons for the trade.

Agree 100% - this combined with their situation makes getting a pick where more palatable than paying a guy so much money that wont help you have better than the worst defense in the league or win games any time soon. Spurs need to keep cap clear from limited upside guys who are older part of core.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/TheTyJager/status/1623698161729429504

[Mr. Body]

Next step is replacing Poeltl. No easy feat.

Damn, I wish CHA opened up bidding for Duren at least a little. Can't believe they traded him - although Mark Williams is looking pretty good -- but they didn't get much for him.

[Ariel]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-mikal-bridges-jae-crowder-og-anunoby-knicks-raptors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

[Atl Spur]

We are doing Spurs type things…….let the grown folk handle this:)

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Whoa 1-6 protections only, for a 3 year window + that 2023 Toronto second, which will be decent.

This is better than expected tbh. Well done Brian Wright.

[Mugen]

Those protections aint bad at all, I take it back on BWrong for this one tbh :lol

[Ariel]

This was a good trade, guys, we weren't getting a better return than that, given the circumstances.

[RC_Drunkford]

this is not bad. Now I totally expect Wright to flip the 2023 2nd into a first

[DPG21920]

Whoa 1-6 protections only, for a 3 year window + that 2023 Toronto second, which will be decent.

This is better than expected tbh. Well done Brian Wright.

I am very happy now. Please disregard all previous statements and I love KHEM

[tonight...you]

I ain't mad at it.
Keep the moves coming.

[Leetonidas]

Was hoping for a 1-4 or 5 protection but that's not that bad at all. Glad spurs got something for Jak and sent him where he wanted to go. Wonder if Spurs are still working to make any more deals or are they going to roll with Collins and Birch as their only Cs

[mo7888]

Very nice... I love it! Excellent work..

[Atl Spur]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-mikal-bridges-jae-crowder-og-anunoby-knicks-raptors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

Nice!

[Atl Spur]

Those protections aint bad at all, I take it back on BWrong for this one tbh :lol

Lol…..we thank you!

[DPG21920]

Hell of a deal and ya, I would 100x take Khem + 2 unprotected 2nds + top 6 only 1st for 3 years

Vs Thad + lottery protected first

Phenomenal job by Wright man. Please be true :cry

[MultiTroll]

https://youtu.be/SYg-_S6HiOA

Video contains one of the handful of treys he has made in his career. :toast

[Mr. Body]

Poeltl was drafted at #9, so he could potentially net a later draft pick better than where he was drafted.

[timvp]

Hell of a deal and ya, I would 100x take Khem + 2 unprotected 2nds + top 6 only 1st for 3 years

Vs Thad + lottery protected first

Phenomenal job by Wright man. Please be true :cry

Yeah, wow, love those protections. And the 2023 second. Great stuff. No brainier compared to Thad and lottery protected pick.

The Boston trade still tempting but I pick this one. The Raptors look like they could be a lottery team next year. They will have a hard time keeping FVV, GTJ and Poeltl. They gotta lose at least one, it looks like. Maybe two.

[DPG21920]

Yeah, wow, love those protections. And the 2023 second. Great stuff. No brainier compared to Thad and lottery protected pick.

The Boston trade still tempting but I pick this one. The Raptors look like they could be a lottery team next year. They will have a hard time keeping FVV, GTJ and Poeltl. They gotta lose at least one, it looks like. Maybe two.

Agree - with this context and 3 years of only top 6? I love it. Would be cool if SA found a way to still trade with BOS again before 2028 to get back control of their own pick too. Now? Lets get at least one more of Josh/Doug/Collins outta here…what are you hearing on that front?

[duncan2150]

I am very happy now. Please disregard all previous statements and I love KHEM

hahaha stay calm next time DPG :)

[Rubberducky]

https://media.giphy.com/media/111ebonMs90YLu/giphy.gif

[KingKev]

Next step is replacing Poeltl. No easy feat.

Damn, I wish CHA opened up bidding for Duren at least a little. Can't believe they traded him - although Mark Williams is looking pretty good -- but they didn't get much for him.

Both Duren and Eason could have been had so cheaply.

[timvp]

Agree - with this context and 3 years of only top 6? I love it. Would be cool if SA found a way to still trade with BOS again before 2028 to get back control of their own pick too. Now? Lets get at least one more of Josh/Doug/Collins outta here…what are you hearing on that front?

Article should publish any second now...

[JADG79]

Yeah, wow, love those protections. And the 2023 second. Great stuff. No brainier compared to Thad and lottery protected pick.

The Boston trade still tempting but I pick this one. The Raptors look like they could be a lottery team next year. They will have a hard time keeping FVV, GTJ and Poeltl. They gotta lose at least one, it looks like. Maybe two.

Probably Boston pick is a late FRP compared to Toronto.

This KL trade is now 4FRP & 3SRP Not bad at all.

[Dverde]

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-mikal-bridges-jae-crowder-og-anunoby-knicks-raptors-grizzlies/
Toronto’s 2024 first-round pick is protected No. 1-6 in 2024, 2025, and 2026, and the Raptors sent unprotected 2023 and 2025 second-round picks as part of the trade to acquire Poeltl from the Spurs, HoopsHype has learned

My hope was top six protected. Great trade. I can’t believe the return, Raptors must love poodle.