If we don’t get Wemba, do we Tank again?

[TrainOfThought5]

86% chance we get Scoot or Miller, or a Thompson twin.

86% chance we need to be discussing more realistic scenarios for moving forward. Do you try to immediately cash in these extra draft picks and get a run at a disgruntled Trade target, or try and tank again, and pair one of the above names with someone of equal caliber talent and see if the whole is greater than the sum of its parts?

[exstatic]

No. You build through the draft. Teams that take shortcuts fail. I also don’t see us throwing games again next year. We could have won 10 more games, and been 5th instead of 3rd, so they’ll swing away with all of the young talent, and let the chips fall where they may. There is also no generational talent coming out. You can see them a year out, and there isn’t one for 2024.

[Spursfanfromafar]

86% chance we get Scoot or Miller, or a Thompson twin.

86% chance we need to be discussing more realistic scenarios for moving forward. Do you try to immediately cash in these extra draft picks and get a run at a disgruntled Trade target, or try and tank again, and pair one of the above names with someone of equal caliber talent and see if the whole is greater than the sum of its parts?

If we dont get Wemba and land up with Scoot/ Miller/ Thompson twins...there is no point to do the 2022/23 strategy of tanking for getting a top pick in the mediocre 2024 draft. Just let the chips fall where they might by letting Sochan, Johnson, Vassell & co along with Scoot/Amen/Miller do their thing. They will still most likely finish in the lottery.

[stnick2261]

There is no one worth tanking for next year. If we don't get someone "franchise-worthy" in this draft, then we'll be naturally getting a good pick anyway (even with trying to win). At this point, we need to try to win every game because we don't want to grow a system of non-competitiveness in our players. We also don't want to enter a season under the salary floor anymore.

Now, we shouldn't be bringing in old veterans to take time away from our young players... but let the young players try to win and let the chips fall where they may.

[cd98]

Regardless, I think we'll be a lottery team next year. There is a lot of talent in this draft, but it takes a couple of years to learn how to win.

[exstatic]

Regardless, I think we'll be a lottery team next year. There is a lot of talent in this draft, but it takes a couple of years to learn how to win.

Without Wemby? 100%. What I was pointing out in my post is that the pre-lottery gap between 3 and 5 (11 games) was bigger than the gap between 5 and 14 (9 games. There's a lot of room to grow and win more games without dropping into the deep lottery.

[spursparker9]

What if the Spurs are actually trying but the result is tanking? :lol

[exstatic]

What if the Spurs are actually trying but the result is tanking? :lol

If we don't win this year, we will be in the lottery next year. In my mind, tanking is an intentional state, dropping games on purpose by holding out players in order to lose. I don't believe the Spurs will do that.

[MultiTroll]

If we don't win this year, we will be in the lottery next year.
Pop will continue his epic battle with Doc Rivers as they keep surpassing others for Most Losses All Time.
Pop will finish 23-24 20+ games ahead of Doc.

Don't wanna think about that.
Wemby will cure all.

[exstatic]

Pop will continue his epic battle with Doc Rivers as they keep surpassing others for Most Losses All Time.
Pop will finish 23-24 20+ games ahead of Doc.

Don't wanna think about that.
Wemby will cure all.

Pop is 13th in all time losses, almost 400 behind Lenny Wilkens.

[MultiTroll]

Pop is 13th in all time losses, almost 400 behind Lenny Wilkens.
Up (or is it Down) from 16th merely a year ago.

Without Wemby, Pop will pass Doc, Cotton Fitz and Jack Ramsey to move into 10th midway thru next season.
Excellent chance to move into at least 9th by seasons end. Jerry Sloan at 803.

[rjv]

why would you tank again if the result of tanking isn't the top prize? so that you can get another 14% chance in a draft with no clear cut #1? spurs have plenty of picks, cap space and assets and they'll still be in the lottery. so, just build and develop and manage your team accordingly.

[MultiTroll]

why would you tank again if the result of tanking isn't the top prize?.
It wouldn't be another total tank like for this years generational Wama.

Rather a partial tank like should we try to get into the Play In or just move down some spots for a lotto pick.

That's what i see happening.

But that's not what's going to happen. We are getting Timmy Duncan II.

[TDomination]

Will we be lottery team next year? Probably
but do we tank? No

it’s time to try and start winning beginning this season, wemby or not

[Rocalcio]

Up (or is it Down) from 16th merely a year ago.

Without Wemby, Pop will pass Doc, Cotton Fitz and Jack Ramsey to move into 10th midway thru next season.
Excellent chance to move into at least 9th by seasons end. Jerry Sloan at 803.

When you have the most games played as a coach, it’s just logical to have a high number of losses. He’s first of all the most winning coach.

[RC_Drunkford]

If we don‘t get Wembanyama this is gonna be a looooong rebuild

[MultiTroll]

He’s first of all the most winning coach.
Timmy Duncan was amazing, wasn't he?

I hope Pop doesn't catch Lenny Wilkens for most losses. But it's possible.

Wama Wama Wama!

[Big Empty]

We’ll probably still be a lotto team if we dont get a top 2 pick. Wemby and Scoot could potentially help get us into the round 1 playoffs if Pop dont send them to Austin. Even if they do start, i cant see them playing 34 minutes a game all season. We’ll still have a top 13 pick next year too unless Sochan and Vassell continue their development. I think KJ has peaked

[Mr. Body]

They'll probably be much closer to the team that started and ended the season and will play defense and not sit players out. Another 10 wins or so and that puts them in the 5-8 lottery range. Tanking doesn't make much sense, except in a year where Wembanyama is available. Winning around 30-35 games makes the young players more competitive in a learning environment and you still get a good enough pick.

[Robz4000]

If we don't get Wemby we riot.

[mo7888]

86% chance we get Scoot or Miller, or a Thompson twin.

86% chance we need to be discussing more realistic scenarios for moving forward. Do you try to immediately cash in these extra draft picks and get a run at a disgruntled Trade target, or try and tank again, and pair one of the above names with someone of equal caliber talent and see if the whole is greater than the sum of its parts?

We don't have to try and tank if we don't get Wemby.... that'll take care of itself. We don't cash in picks and let nature take its course.

[playblair]

posters in this thread who say the 2024 draft is mediocre are casuals who dont know basketball......yes spurs tank....there are 5 prospects fat superior than wemby next draft.....

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[MultiTroll]

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[poopbox]

No. You build through the draft. Teams that take shortcuts fail. I also don’t see us throwing games again next year. We could have won 10 more games, and been 5th instead of 3rd, so they’ll swing away with all of the young talent, and let the chips fall where they may. There is also no generational talent coming out. You can see them a year out, and there isn’t one for 2024.

Lakers signed Lebron, traded all their young players for Anthony Davis, won a chip, and are now back in the WCF:lol

[exstatic]

Lakers signed Lebron, traded all their young players for Anthony Davis, won a chip, and are now back in the WCF:lol

We're not the Lakers and we don't have their payroll ability. Even so, they've failed more than they've succeeded, missing the playoffs multiple times with Bron and AD. With our lease up in less than 10 years, we can't afford to shoot for one title, surrounded by a decade of suckage. I'm talking about building a team for a decade at the minimum, deep playoff runs and a chip or two.

[itzsoweezee]

You ask this question like the spurs have a choice. Absent Wemby, and even probably with him, the spurs are going to be really bad next year.

[itzsoweezee]

posters in this thread who say the 2024 draft is mediocre are casuals who dont know basketball......yes spurs tank....there are 5 prospects fat superior than wemby next draft.....

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LOL

[exstatic]

You ask this question like the spurs have a choice. Absent Wemby, and even probably with him, the spurs are going to be really bad next year.

Being bad is different from tanking.

[ambchang]

If we don't get Wemby we riot.

If we do we party until it turns into a riot.

[Joseph Kony]

the Spurs will probably be pretty bad regardless, even more so without Wemby, so they wont need to "tank" imo

[scott]

tbh, even if we end up with a rookie who makes a minimal first year contribution (say, a Thompson) I think there is a decent, yet less than 50%, chance we could be a play-in spot contender. The league is so terrible these days, it doesn't take a lot to find yourself in this range. Granted, I think we'll be immediately bounced rather than being a Lakers/Heat type play-in team, but I still think we aren't that far off from that caliber of team if we caught some breaks and slightly overachieved.

And once again, to be clear, this is not me stating we are good team :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

tbh, even if we end up with a rookie who makes a minimal first year contribution (say, a Thompson) I think there is a decent, yet less than 50%, chance we could be a play-in spot contender. The league is so terrible these days, it doesn't take a lot to find yourself in this range. Granted, I think we'll be immediately bounced rather than being a Lakers/Heat type play-in team, but I still think we aren't that far off from that caliber of team if we caught some breaks and slightly overachieved.

And once again, to be clear, this is not me stating we are good team :lol

I was going to disagree with you, but you're right, the league sucks. Last year's Spurs team, as awful as they were, required some skilled tanking...err coaching, from Pop, otherwise they would have won 4 or 5 more games. Get those and add a handful more and next year's team could win 32+ games. Scary.

[exstatic]

I was going to disagree with you, but you're right, the league sucks. Last year's Spurs team, as awful as they were, required some skilled tanking...err coaching, from Pop, otherwise they would have won 4 or 5 more games. Get those and add a handful more and next year's team could win 33-35 games. Scary.

I think it would have been more than that. There were both questionable coaching and questionable health hold outs. I think the only legit injuries that should have caused players to miss time were Devin's meniscus, and Blake's MCL. Everything else was smoke and mirrors, IMHO. The Spurs turned their reputation for caution up to 11.