Keldon Johnson ceiling

[Big Empty]

I see alot of people wanted to involve KJ in a trade scenerio to add another lottery pick. How do yall feel about his ceiling? Is there still room for improvement or is this as good as he’s gonna get? Sorry if there is already and open thread on this my search feature is disabled.

[CGD]

I think we’ve hit it, which is not a knock. The best role for him is super sub off the bench in my view.

It’s to be seen if he accepts that in SA, but it would amazing if he did, since it would clear up a potential log jam at the 3.

Jones-Vassel-Sochan-Wemby-Collins

[Leetonidas]

he's only 23 right? what player reaches their ceiling at 23? we still have 4-5 years before he gets there

[dbestpro]

Keldon is the best player available who can easily be replaced by other players on the team.

[spurraider21]

his ceiling is good trade asset

if wemby is what we think he is, and if vassell continues his trajectory, we dont need a guy who can score 20 clunky points while not being a playmaker and then give up 20 on the other end, or at least we dont need a guy like that to be a starter. he's not THAT far from what we'd need. if he was a more consistent shooter and just an average defender, like tobias harris, that would be better

guys adding more to their game offensively is usually pretty expected. but i dont know how many players have transformed their defense well into their careers.

[Mr. Body]

I feel like not having to shoulder so much of the offensive load will make him better. Still fear his defense can only be so good and he has to improve on his vision.

[td4mvp2k]

your talking about a guy who brings similar traits to what draymond green does for GS. He's a big asset and will be a major player for a winning team.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

As a complementary piece I think he'll be very good. D. White has proven that he's an awesome role player on a great team. Keldon could be similar for the Spurs I think.

[lmbebo]

not married to him on this team. He's movable for the right package.

[itzsoweezee]

He seems definitely like a role player type. He might be a decent backup wing if his shooting improves on a lower workload. Otherwise, he’s just an undersized power forward.

[stnick2261]

We are not going to get 5 All-Stars on one team. KJ is really good for his contract AND he's a good fit for our team. He's a good role player / starter for our team and you don't wanna get rid of someone like that for an unknown in the draft. I would only have seen him being traded if we didn't get Wemby and still needed to shoot for the fences with high-upside prospects.

[John B]

He is what other teams view him.

If we can get an Anthony Black. I’d give up Keldon plus SRP’s.

Anthony Black is bigger at 6’7”. Can facilitate. Better defender. And better all-around game. He is a position of need.

Keldon is a tweener at PF. Sochan/Wemby are better at that position. Keldon is slow(er) at SF. Vassell/Wemby better at closing in. Dallas might want another piece to help Doncic. Keldon is a very charismatic guy and a coaches player. Dallas doesn’t need another big PG (or they could). But I think they need a win now guy to pair with Doncic. And Keldon could be that guy.

I hate to lose Keldon, but he brings the best value and the odd-man out.

[Fireball]

I was not happy with him last season. Wish he would get back to being a 40+% shooter from three. He should be the 4th best player or lower on a team with deep playoff aspirations.

[jhfenton]

I was not happy with him last season. Wish he would get back to being a 40+% shooter from three. He should be the 4th best player or lower on a team with deep playoff aspirations.

After the draft, he may already be the 4th best player on the roster.

I like him. I think he could thrive as the 6th man and crunch time 3rd or 4th option. But he falls below Wemby, Sochan, and Vassell in my evaluation of their importance to the roster.

This year should tell us a lot about whether he'll be able to fit into the longterm plans.

[J_Paco]

Keldon is the best player available who can easily be replaced by other players on the team.

And he's a man without a true position, IMO. He is horrendous on defense, although he tries, and would be better suited as a 6th man off the bench.

Unfortunately, I think the coaching staff and community have embraced him too much for him to be moved (right now).

I would move him now while his value is highest, though.

Moving him for an extra first-round pick in a solid draft to acquire a potential starting PG just makes too much sense.

[Fireball]

After the draft, he may already be the 4th best player on the roster.

I like him. I think he could thrive as the 6th man and crunch time 3rd or 4th option. But he falls below Wemby, Sochan, and Vassell in my evaluation of their importance to the roster.

This year should tell us a lot about whether he'll be able to fit into the longterm plans.

no disagreement here ... lets just hope that less responsibility results in a more stable 3 point shot again

[J_Paco]

no disagreement here ... lets just hope that less responsibility results in a more stable 3 point shot again


If he was two or three inches taller then I would see the value in keeping Keldon. He's just too small and slow laterally to guard starting SF's. And with Sochan around he no longer has to be a starting PF, so he's a man without a long-term position, IMO.

Moving him to a contender or a team with extra first-round picks to move is a better idea.

And I really don't think he has much upside left besides becoming savvier and a better decision maker.

[Stump]

Unless there is a great deal sitting out there, I'd rather wait a year and see how he fits with this team. Swapping him for another 19-year-old honestly makes this team a little too young. I'd rather Wembanyama be surrounding with guys a little bit further along in their emotional and professional development.

[Ignazzz]

Remember Dallas (#10 pick and possible destination for Keldon) dont need Young prospect for Luka. No way that spurs add some 2rds. Dallas team is in need to shake the things… not us

[td4mvp2k]

Remember Dallas (#10 pick and possible destination for Keldon) dont need Young prospect for Luka. No way that spurs add some 2rds. Dallas team is in need to shake the things… not us
i'd give them collins instead with picks

[exstatic]

I was not happy with him last season. Wish he would get back to being a 40+% shooter from three. He should be the 4th best player or lower on a team with deep playoff aspirations.

I think the tank was harder on him than any other Spur. Why would he care if his 3s go in if we're trying to lose?

[rascal]

We are not going to get 5 All-Stars on one team. KJ is really good for his contract AND he's a good fit for our team. He's a good role player / starter for our team and you don't wanna get rid of someone like that for an unknown in the draft. I would only have seen him being traded if we didn't get Wemby and still needed to shoot for the fences with high-upside prospects.

No but you need two and three would be great.

[Fireball]

I think the tank was harder on him than any other Spur. Why would he care if his 3s go in if we're trying to lose?

he probably also took much more threes which were not catch and shoot

[dbestpro]

Before the draft


https://www.si.com/nba/spurs/news/san-antonio-spurs-top-5-pick-keldon-johnson-nba-trade-rumors

[poopbox]

The new Poeltl. Get him out of here before teams figure out he is just a streaky 3 point shooter who gets swallowed up by any defender with length

[rankingtear]

Wait and see what fits and doesn't around Wemby.

[BatManu20]

Dangle him to Portland to see if they have any interest since they’re looking to trade the #3 pick. Obv a long shot, but a package of Keldon + multiple picks that they could then use to trade for another starter elsewhere might be an intriguing package. Unlikely but doesn’t hurt to pickup the phone. Otherwise I think he’s a Spur for another season to see how he fits alongside Wemby. Could be trade-bait at the trade deadline next Spring. We’ll see.

[jjspur]

Some people have said to wait a year to see how Keldon and Wemby play together and I'm in agreement. You need a certain amount of a veteran presence on any winning team. I don't mean like McDoogie or Devonte, those guys are getting up there in years and only have limited value anyway. He's not the most efficient player, I'll give you that, but he is a needed veteran/ leading presence on a very young team. You don't trade that for a 18-19 year old kid who looked good in college but may or may not ever pan out in the pro's. Be patient for at least a year and lets see what happens. You want to trade Keldon, trade him for another established player rather than a 10-25 pick.

[Mr. Body]

Keldon may really thrive next to Wembanyama. I feel his game suffered having to carry too much of a load. Wemby will cover up a lot of defensive issues and that will also help Keldon. While I do think he was next on the 'to be moved' list, this was before Wembanyama became a reality. The team likely expected to do the Murray-Poeltl dance and get future assets for him. Now, that's not the case, it seems.

Whether they would trade him for specific assets is another matter.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He is useful. A forward that can guard several positions. He scores points without having to run the offense through him.

It's really hard to evaluate him. His efficiency took a huge dive last season playing tank ball. The year before he was pretty damn efficient.

As others have pointed out, he is several years away from his athletic peak and should continue to improve.

I don't know what his ceiling is but trading him now seems a bit selling low.

[wildbill2u]

He's already replaceable. Front line should be Wemby, Collins, Sochan.

[couchman]

I think Keldon will be a much more efficient scorer when he isn't forced to be a team's first or second option.
His 3 point shooting in particular will really benefit from getting some kick outs and having the defense forced to focus on someone else.
He's only 23, so there's reason to think his entire game will continue to improve over the next 4-5 years as long as he stays healthy and keeps working hard.
What I don't see getting much better is his defense. He just doesn't have the physical attributes to be very good there.
Perhaps his defense will be more tolerable if he has a great rim protector behind him.
The biggest challenge is that he is a tweener. I like him more as a 3 than a 4, but he doesn't really belong at either spot.

[PhantomDashCam]

I wouldn't trade KJ for anybody in this draft outside of Wemby and Scoot tbh.

Splits from W/L last season...






Wins/Losses
GP
MIN
PTS
FGM
FGA
FG%
3PM
3PA
3P%
FTM
FTA
FT%
OREB
DREB
REB
AST
TOV
STL
BLK
PF
FP
DD2
TD3
+/-


Wins
17
33.1
24.6
9.1 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGM&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
18.4 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
49.4
2.4 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3M&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
6.5 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
36.0
4.2
5.2
80.7
0.6 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=OREB&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
4.6 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=DREB&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
5.3 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=REB&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
3.2 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
2.5 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=TOV&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
1.1 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=STL&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
0.2 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=BLK&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
1.8
37.2
2
0
6.3


Losses
46
32.6
21.0
7.6 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGM&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
17.4 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FGA&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
43.6
2.0 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3M&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
6.4 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=3&sct=plot&section=game)
31.8
3.8
5.2
72.8
1.0 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=OREB&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
4.0 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=DREB&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
5.0 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=REB&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
2.8 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=AST&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
2.0 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=TOV&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
0.6 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=STL&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
0.2 (https://www.nba.com/stats/events/?CFID=&CFPARAMS=&ContextMeasure=BLK&GameID=&PlayerID=1629640&Season=2022-23&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=&flag=1&sct=plot&section=game)
2.1
31.4
3
0
-13.0

[spursparker9]

KJ ceiling should be Rudy Gay.

Someone that seems to be the star of the team but did not ever became an All Star

[Extra Stout]

KJ’s ceiling on a good team is bench tweener forward. He scored 22 ppg because somebody has to take the shots on a bad team. If somebody offers a first-round pick for him, you take it.

[PhantomDashCam]

KJ’s ceiling on a good team is bench tweener forward. He scored 22 ppg because somebody has to take the shots on a bad team. If somebody offers a first-round pick for him, you take it.

Looking back on the 2019 draft, 10 of the players picked before KJ are either out of the league or will struggle to potentially get a contract beyond the league minimum next season.

To go a step further - there would be only probably 5-6 guys you would draft ahead of KJ in that being a redraft (based on cumulative production and projected improvement), which puts him firmly in lottery type discussions. Any old first round pick would likely struggle to return his type of production.

[lmbebo]

KJ’s ceiling on a good team is bench tweener forward. He scored 22 ppg because somebody has to take the shots on a bad team. If somebody offers a first-round pick for him, you take it.

He's worth more than 1 first round pick. Proven player, young, good contract.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

KJ’s ceiling on a good team is bench tweener forward. He scored 22 ppg because somebody has to take the shots on a bad team. If somebody offers a first-round pick for him, you take it.
How much are you willing to bet that a better player than Keldon will be selected with this pick in the future?

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't think people should view Keldon as expendable. Even if he would come in as a scorer of the bench he'd be super valuable. We need to build a vicious 10-man rotation that makes life tough for every team in the league

[SpursGenius]

I see alot of people wanted to involve KJ in a trade scenerio to add another lottery pick. How do yall feel about his ceiling? Is there still room for improvement or is this as good as he’s gonna get? Sorry if there is already and open thread on this my search feature is disabled.
He has hit his ceiling. Time to unload him while value high.

[The Truth #6]

He can be a good trash man, playing off ball with periodic threes and thunderous dunks. He could finally find his role next year. I say wait. He’s a perfect teammate.

[rankingtear]

He is a tweener and pop played him at the wing 3/2 more this season. No surprise that it did not really work out defensively. He was better playing 4/3 last season despite the consensus in here. His post defense and Iso against bigger players is actually good because of his strength. He probably hit his ceiling on defense. On offense I think he would be really good 2nd or 3rd option. He shot 40% on threes with DJ on 5 attempts a game , and he made leaps on his driving game this year. I think he is a super efficient 1 2 dribble scorer, the potential he flashed his first summer league game. I predict a 50-40 player the next year or two.

I do think he would be involved in speculation around the 3-4-5 pick.

Hard to part with those picks with it not being a swap though. DAL would do it for #10, I think KJ has more value than that pick.

[BackHome]

He's already replaceable. Front line should be Wemby, Collins, Sochan.

I don’t see Collins as a long term solution as he is so injury prone and he fouls so much but I do like his grit.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I don’t see Collins as a long term solution as he is so injury prone and he fouls so much but I do like his grit.

Ideally I see him coming off the bench and being an important part of that squad. Let him come in and goon when needed.

[KingKev]

Keldon had his work cut out for him this year and he faired pretty wel all things considered. If he can become a decent defender he has a role on this team moving forward, otherwise I’m putting him on the block by the deadline to continue to keep the books clean for when we actually start looking like a playoff threat as he is easily replaceable.

[wildbill2u]

He is at ceiling now, starting because he was all there was on one of the worst teams in the league. No true position as he is a tweener at SF and can't guard there. Better for him and the Spurs if we are able to find him a spot somewhere that might bring in a decent draft pick and move him asap. He won't be a starter on any other team in the league.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

He won't be a starter on any other team in the league.
Which of these players is unconditionally better than Keldon?

Isaac Okoro, Dorian Finney-Smith, Cameron Johnson, De'Andre Hunter, Patrick Williams, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Deni Avdija, Kyle Kuzma, Jerami Grant, Matisse Thybulle, Jarred Vanderbilt, Talen Horton-Tucker, Ochai Agbaji, Reggie Bullock, Tim Hardaway Jr., Luguentz Dort, Kyle Anderson, Jaden McDaniels, Harrison Barnes, Dillon Brooks

[Mr. Body]

Which of these players is unconditionally better than Keldon?

Isaac Okoro, Dorian Finney-Smith, Cameron Johnson, De'Andre Hunter, Patrick Williams, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Deni Avdija, Kyle Kuzma, Jerami Grant, Matisse Thybulle, Jarred Vanderbilt, Talen Horton-Tucker, Ochai Agbaji, Reggie Bullock, Tim Hardaway Jr., Luguentz Dort, Kyle Anderson, Jaden McDaniels, Harrison Barnes, Dillon Brooks

Good stuff. I think Keldon is very much undersold by this board. I've long thought he'd be ferocious on Denver, for example, with a good passer with gravity hitting him. I've moved back from wanting to trade him. Of course, I think he was the next to be moved pre-Wemby, but that's changed. His scoring and effort will be important next year. The starting five is a big question, but that's okay.

[exstatic]

Which of these players is unconditionally better than Keldon?

Isaac Okoro, Dorian Finney-Smith, Cameron Johnson, De'Andre Hunter, Patrick Williams, Jalen Smith, Aaron Nesmith, Deni Avdija, Kyle Kuzma, Jerami Grant, Matisse Thybulle, Jarred Vanderbilt, Talen Horton-Tucker, Ochai Agbaji, Reggie Bullock, Tim Hardaway Jr., Luguentz Dort, Kyle Anderson, Jaden McDaniels, Harrison Barnes, Dillon Brooks

Probably Cam Johnson and Jaden McDaniels.

[BacktoBasics]

How much are you willing to bet that a better player than Keldon will be selected with this pick in the future?

I wouldn’t take that bet.

[Extra Stout]

There are only two starting forward spots next year. Wembanyama will be one of them. Who’s the other one, KJ or Sochan? If Sochan, is it really realistic to bring KJ off the bench as a sixth man backup 4? I mean, I guess if he’s fine with that role, it IS his ideal role. I just don’t know if he’s quite the glue guy he has been if he has to go from leading scorer and multi-year starter to a bench role.

[Mr. Body]

There are only two starting forward spots next year. Wembanyama will be one of them. Who’s the other one, KJ or Sochan? If Sochan, is it really realistic to bring KJ off the bench as a sixth man backup 4? I mean, I guess if he’s fine with that role, it IS his ideal role. I just don’t know if he’s quite the glue guy he has been if he has to go from leading scorer and multi-year starter to a bench role.

No, it's not a good fit for him, which is why Johnson would likely start. The first unit needs his shooting and spacing. Sochan would come off the bench.

[Extra Stout]

How much are you willing to bet that a better player than Keldon will be selected with this pick in the future?
With the Spurs picking? Better than 50/50 odds. Advanced stats are not friendly to KJ. Last year was his “breakout” year and he put up a 0.1 VORP.

[Extra Stout]

No, it's not a good fit for him, which is why Johnson would likely start. The first unit needs his shooting and spacing. Sochan would come off the bench.
Benching Sochan is not a great idea either. Which is why the mind glides back over to trading KJ because he has a lower ceiling.

I guess it’s not a terrible problem for such a bad team to have — a logjam at forward — but it is a problem. If other teams value him the way some in this forum do, then it seems like a no-brainer to shop him in order to move up from 33 in the draft. If he’s worth an alleged lottery pick (which I doubt) it’s even more of a no-brainer.

[exstatic]

With the Spurs picking? Better than 50/50 odds. Advanced stats are not friendly to KJ. Last year was his “breakout” year and he put up a 0.1 VORP.

I consider year 3 as his breakout. Last year, his USG was way too high, and his game suffered. He was asked to do way too much, and it showed.

year 3: WS 4.9 VORP 0.9 3G% .398
year 4: WS 1.3 VORP 0.1 3G% .329

[Chinook]

Why not actually see if Sochan has continued his growth as a shooter before assuming he can't do so? Even now Johnson is streaky more than he is good. Benching Sochan isn't the worst thing in the world, but it shouldn't be the default idea. For all the talk about how the Spurs need to solely worry about developing Wemby, that's premature. They are trying to win a title, not MVP trophies. They aren't going to bypass their current top rookie just so they can play four out with a twig teenager. This is going to be a slow build, and everyone from the PG to Collins is going to have to improve their shooting to make it work. It's not uniquely Sochan's problem, and it's not not Wemby's problem.

[J_Paco]

I'd much rather have a taller, defensive-minded SF playing alongside Vassell, Sochan, and Wemby long-term.

If the Spurs can acquire a better fitting prospect or current NBA player then I would have no issue with moving Keldon.

I think his motor and energy would be better utilized like how Bruce Brown is/was used in Brooklyn (first year with KD, Irving, and Harden) and now with Denver. Although, Brown is a better defender and more crafty finishing in the paint.

[K...]

I'd much rather have a taller, defensive-minded SF playing alongside Vassell, Sochan, and Wemby long-term.

If the Spurs can acquire a better fitting prospect or curren NBA player. then I would have no issue with moving Keldon.

I think his motor and energy would be better utilized like how Bruce Brown is/was used in Brooklyn (first year with KD, Irving, and Harden) and now with Denver. Although, Brown is a better defender and more crafty finishing in the paint.

Do you mean a center? Lol. Wemby plays whatever position he wants and it Won't be center.

I see people are being whacky about leaving wemby as a driving SF. I agree with the thoughts on keldon otherwise

[K...]

My promotion of sochan is in part the intuition that a new euro star might bond with our charismatic euro glue guy. Maybe wemby bonds with johnson's county boy hobbies, but i doubt it.

If keldon wants to stay he better learn french quickly

[Extra Stout]

So what, hypothetically, could Keldon Johnson, the #33 pick, and the Hornets’ 2024 pick get?

[Kirbyk21]

So what, hypothetically, could Keldon Johnson, the #33 pick, and the Hornets’ 2024 pick get?

Throw in Doug M. or potentially the Atlanta pick swap and you maybe looking at #3 from the Blazers?

[RC_Drunkford]

I don't see it as a problem weather Sochan or Keldon come off the bench. Your 6th man usually gets starter level minutes and the thing these guys want the most is win basketball games

[spurraider21]

I don't see it as a problem weather Sochan or Keldon come off the bench. Your 6th man usually gets starter level minutes and the thing these guys want the most is win basketball games
sochan/wemby/collins could just be in a 3 man rotation at the big positions with bassey sprinkling in

dont really see keldon/sochan meaningfully competing for minutes anymore, unless the spurs want to try Sochan at the 3 with a very big lineup including sochan/wemby/another big

[mo7888]

So what, hypothetically, could Keldon Johnson, the #33 pick, and the Hornets’ 2024 pick get?

#5 or #6 ....a little tweaking and it gets you in the conversation at #3

[scott]

sochan/wemby/collins could just be in a 3 man rotation at the big positions with bassey sprinkling in

dont really see keldon/sochan meaningfully competing for minutes anymore, unless the spurs want to try Sochan at the 3 with a very big lineup including sochan/wemby/another big

I like the idea of Sochan/Keldon/Wemby being your 3-man rotation at the 3/4 with Doug and Mamu and maybe even Champagnie sprinkled in. Collins/Bassey/Mamu getting the C minutes.

[Mr. Body]

#5 or #6 ....a little tweaking and it gets you in the conversation at #3

Are we still thinking the Spurs would send Keldon to the Detroit Pistons gulag?

And why would Orlando want Keldon? They're thick with forwards as it is.

[mo7888]

Are we still thinking the Spurs would send Keldon to the Detroit Pistons gulag?

And why would Orlando want Keldon? They're thick with forwards as it is.

I'm not thinking we're gonna do anything in particular. I was just answering the question re: what kind of pick would that particular package bring.

As for what we actually do, there's no way to really have a confident feel about that. We've got more options or paths that we can take than I can ever remember. We can all postulate on what we think the FO will do, but the options are so plentiful that nobody here should have to strong of a conviction about that.

[CGD]

^ agree. Money is on this coming year bring a consolidation year, meaning they assess what they have and start seeing next year as the one to add bigger pieces. This consolidation, however, could mean they move the chaff by the trade deadline, and Keldon could end up being in the mix if he doesn’t like the sixth man role he is destined for.

[Dejounte]

If he’s winning, he won’t care what role he has.

[scottspurs]

Keldon and Sochan are the closest the Spurs have to having Jimmy Butler type “dogs” on the team. They will need that edge coming into this next chapter. Also don’t forget Pop specifically vouched for Keldon being on the last Olympic team. He loves the kid. Realistically his production will go down as he becomes more efficient but I love his future as a 6th man on a contender.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Barring major roster changes, which is quite possible tbh, Keldon has to start because of his shooting, however streaky. A Tre-Vassell-Sochan-Wemby-Collins starting line-up won't work in 2020s NBA. The spacing would be terrible with only a single good 3 point shooter, which would drag everyone's game and efficiency down. Nowadays you need at least 3 good shooters on the floor at all times.

If they get a vet center who can shoot, say Lopez, and a good shooting PG, then sure, Keldon might go to the bench.

[bluebellmaniac]

Throw in Doug M. or potentially the Atlanta pick swap and you maybe looking at #3 from the Blazers?

How would trading the Atl pick swap work in a trade? We'd trade picks with Atl and then give that pick to the other team? The other team would not be getting rights to swap with Atl. Hmmm.

[Extra Stout]

Barring major roster changes, which is quite possible tbh, Keldon has to start because of his shooting, however streaky. A Tre-Vassell-Sochan-Wemby-Collins starting line-up won't work in 2020s NBA. The spacing would be terrible with only a single good 3 point shooter, which would drag everyone's game and efficiency down. Nowadays you need at least 3 good shooters on the floor at all times.

If they get a vet center who can shoot, say Lopez, and a good shooting PG, then sure, Keldon might go to the bench.
When you examine the holes in the lineup and the necessary trade-offs… this will still be a bad team next season.

[The Truth #6]

I like Keldon but I don’t see him as a great leader. Solid but not yet someone who will challenge other players as far as I can tell. Outside of Sochan, Zollins, and Blake, the team may be too nice. It’s a balance for sure. Don’t need fake leaders like Murray, but some more intensity to match this new Wemby phase is needed. That’s why I think veteran leadership is probably more important than a point guard, and easier to find. The losing and bad defense of last year will have to change and it will be a work in progress. I imagine Pop will need to revert to old ways in some degree.

But I don’t see Keldon yet as a two way player or obvious leader but let’s see. He may rise to the occasion.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

When you examine the holes in the lineup and the necessary trade-offs… this will still be a bad team next season.

Yeah but fortunately they seem to have an exhaustive plan for building around Wemby, so I'm sure they have a clear idea about what moves they need, what players they want, how they envision the roster next season, then in 3 years, etc.

[Extra Stout]

Yeah but fortunately they seem to have an exhaustive plan for building around Wemby, so I'm sure they have a clear idea about what moves they need, what players they want, how they envision the roster next season, then in 3 years, etc.
If I were in charge, I’d be aiming towards contention in the 2025-26 season, and until then, the priority would be Wemby’s development.

[Kirbyk21]

How would trading the Atl pick swap work in a trade? We'd trade picks with Atl and then give that pick to the other team? The other team would not be getting rights to swap with Atl. Hmmm.

In essence wouldn’t they just get the Spurs first rounder with the option to trade with ATL? So worst case they get spurs pick and best case they exchange with ATL?

[BatManu20]

lol at people who thought we were trading Keldon. Brian Wright is in love tbh.


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[kobyz]

With his awkward form, I don't see him becoming a consistent and reliable 3 point shooter, and therefore, being undersized, he's not more than a sixth man on contender

[Mr. Body]

He already is a consistent and good three point shooter.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I'd take him over Draymond tbh.

[tim_duncan_fan]

His three% probably goes up a little with presumably a lot less attention on him this year.