Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's

[DAF86]

By all means, go through the list of available players and find a proven center who can defend, rebound, stretch the floor, commands little money, and doesn't care for long term job security. I'll be all for it!!!

This might be a crazy idea but what about Zach Collins?

[Ariel]

This might be a crazy idea but what about Zach Collins?
Does he have a FA identical twin? Or you're talking cloning?

[Mitch Cumsteen]

I wonder if we have something that could be put together to entice Vancouver into giving up Steven Adams.

What do yall think we would have to give up?

Spurs should try to get Big Country Reeves in the deal as well.

[DAF86]

Does he have a FA identical twin? Or you're talking cloning?

An identical twin wouldn't have his same name, would he? Poor attempt at being a smartass, tbh.

We don't need a starting C. We have just picked up a HoF project center. If the Spurs want to ease him into the league at PF, we also already have a perfectly fine other starting center in Collins.

[rankingtear]

Collins probably played 1 season worth of games in the last 4. This is Bassey second major knee injury in 3 years. The FO has their medicals, if they say they need a starting C then the health of those 2 guys are a big reason.

[Chomag]

Spurs should try to get Big Country Reeves in the deal as well. Heh, he's a 9 year pro he isn't that old. Chill fellas

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

People who peruse box scores to make player evaluations get sniffed out pretty quickly.

As a season ticket holder and a fan of the franchise before Timmy touched down in North Carolina, I would say don’t be so hard on yourself and your player evaluations. LMAO.

I don’t think Mamu is a bad player and I understand why some gravitate towards him. Especially a certain subsection of fans………. I just feel that his offensive abilities don’t make up for his defensive limitations. I will not cry over the team keeping him or letting him go.

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As a season ticket holder and a fan of the franchise before Timmy touched down in North Carolina, I would say don’t be so hard on yourself and your player evaluations. LMAO.

I don’t think Mamu is a bad player and I understand why some gravitate towards him. Especially a certain subsection of fans………. I just feel that his offensive abilities don’t make up for his defensive limitations. I will not cry over the team keeping him or letting him go.
Money can't buy knowledge.

[BackHome]

I am cool with him he is a decent bench player but as people have said you want to surround Wemby with talent and also with high good team mates. That kind of showed when he was at Wemby press conference I kind of figured that he would be back and I think he will have some good games for us.

As far as talent or getting a PG or Center I am cool with filling those two positions through home grown talent who knows what Blake, Malaki will show us this upcoming season they could ball out like Reeves did with the Flakers. If they don't work out we probably got 3 draft picks to pick up a good PG or C in the next draft ............

[bluebellmaniac]

Money can't buy knowledge.

Actually it does, quite often...

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Actually it does, quite often...

Lol OK.

[jesterbobman]

With Brook off the market, I don't think there are any starting caliber / clearly better than Zach players left.

If you can't get someone who you think is a clear upgrade, I think it makes sense to roll with what you have and see. There'll be chances to upgrade later (through the draft / free agency), and I don't think the Spurs were going to be contending this year anyway. I think it made sense to sign good players (Brook, Reaves, etc), but there's no point paying for someone else's equivalent depth just to get a different guy.

[Mr. Body]

With Brook off the market, I don't think there are any starting caliber / clearly better than Zach players left.

If you can't get someone who you think is a clear upgrade, I think it makes sense to roll with what you have and see. There'll be chances to upgrade later (through the draft / free agency), and I don't think the Spurs were going to be contending this year anyway. I think it made sense to sign good players (Brook, Reaves, etc), but there's no point paying for someone else's equivalent depth just to get a different guy.

IMO we never needed someone better than Zack, we needed a solid backup for Zack.

And that's still Plumlee.

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IMO we never needed someone better than Zack, we needed a solid backup for Zack.

And that's still Plumlee.

Agree. But for available cap space, most of us wouldn't be opposed to a center who can compete to start as well.

[TDMVPDPOY]

how about nurkic trade?

[Kurik]

how about nurkic trade?

Horrible contract which goes up every year.

[mystargtr34]

I like Plumlee and mentioned him as a target a few weeks ago. But the Clippers will definitely want to keep Plumlee he was solid for them backing Zubac. But given the Clippers are way over the tax I’m not sure what the max they can offer is? Perhaps a cap expert can advise like Chinook.

[lefty20]

I like Plumlee and mentioned him as a target a few weeks ago. But the Clippers will definitely want to keep Plumlee he was solid for them backing Zubac. But given the Clippers are way over the tax I’m not sure what the max they can offer is? Perhaps a cap expert can advise like Chinook.

Gotta be vet min, like what they gave Westbrook.

[Mr. Body]

I like Plumlee and mentioned him as a target a few weeks ago. But the Clippers will definitely want to keep Plumlee he was solid for them backing Zubac. But given the Clippers are way over the tax I’m not sure what the max they can offer is? Perhaps a cap expert can advise like Chinook.

They might have his Bird rights or whatever. Looking at their boards, it seems like Zubac might be on the auction block (as mentioned here before). I think they want to keep both, but yeah, the cap situation is bad for them and they're going hard for Harden.

Suppose Zubac can pop free or Plumlee can be poached, but the first has a two year contract and Plumlee will likely want more than one year. I'm not sure the Spurs want that.

[Mr. Body]

Gotta be vet min, like what they gave Westbrook.

Plumlee made something like $8 mil last season. I don't think he'd stay for minimum.

[CGD]

Trade for Jonás and be done with it

[lefty20]

Plumlee made something like $8 mil last season. I don't think he'd stay for minimum.

Hmm, prolly true. I forgot about bird rights. So they could go over min, but I'm nor sure if they'd do so if they are near the 2nd apron territory.

Spurs can definitely try to poach him away if they're not confident in Barlow being the 3rd big this year.

[Mr. Body]

Hmm, prolly true. I forgot about bird rights. So they could go over min, but I'm nor sure if they'd do so if they are near the 2nd apron territory.

Spurs can definitely try to poach him away if they're not confident in Barlow being the 3rd big this year.

It's the sort of thing where I think the Spurs may be hovering around the Harden and Lillard situations. But... who knows

[SpursFan86]

Still a little hard for me to believe we don’t go out and try to get another legitimate option at center. In a perfect world where you know Zollins and Bassey are healthy, then we’re probably fine. But we’re an injury or two away from it pretty much just being Mamu with Victor playing spot minutes at the 5 as well (which, by all accounts seems like something they’re wanting to avoid for the most part in year one).

Guessing Birch gets waived and Barlow spends most of his time in the G league but if injuries strike maybe they’re banking on Barlow giving spot minutes. Just a real lack of experience between all the potential guys behind Zollins though. Bassey/Mamu/Barlow have combined for a little over 2000 NBA minutes in their careers :lol

[Gagnrath]

He's a big body that can bang in the paint, play reasonable team defence and spread the floor (40% 3p over last 2 years on good volume). Plus he's a year older than KJ (24) so can fit/grow with the team. No idea why he didn't play more in the playoffs but it did seem like Mazzulla didn't trust him, or at least favoured his guard rotation over him which pushed Brown/Tatum etc down positions.

His 'type' would do well next to Wemby. I'd like him here but not sure where the minutes come from and doubt he signs up to be the 4th big.


He was in and out of the rotation because their current "Coach" is in way over his head and because he has a tendency to get banged up. Mazzulla is also an offense first guy. I don't see him agreeing to be fourth big either. I also don't see him as significantly more useful than Zach Collins. The issue with having both of them is that each are 50 to 60 games a year and no one wants to count on it not being 15 of the same games they are out.

[exstatic]

There was also a growing belief that they would trade up, and did the opposite, tbh.

Pretty sure OKC foiled our plan to select Cason by trading for 11.

[spurraider21]

Pretty sure OKC foiled our plan to select Cason by trading for 11.
They traded for 10. We coulda still moved up for Bufkin

[Mr. Body]

Pretty sure OKC foiled our plan to select Cason by trading for 11.

I think it was Utah.

[Mr. Body]

They traded for 10. We coulda still moved up for Bufkin

Oh yeah? Which team was trading their picks? Toronto? New Orleans? Because that's it.

[spurraider21]

Oh yeah? Which team was trading their picks? Toronto? New Orleans? Because that's it.
We had a deal in place for 11, is the story we’ve heard. We could have made that deal for Bufkin. The deal to 11 was called off because okc moved up to 10 and took Wallace

And that’s assuming there were no deals to be had with the other teams up to 15

[ChumpDumper]

Having one deal to move into the lottery is significant. Having multiple contingencies to move into the lottery if the first falls through seems unrealistic.

[spurraider21]

Having one deal to move into the lottery is significant. Having multiple contingencies to move into the lottery if the first falls through seems unrealistic.
Could just make the same deal for 11 they already had in place of having contingencies is unrealistic (it shouldn’t be)

[Mr. Body]

We had a deal in place for 11, is the story we’ve heard. We could have made that deal for Bufkin. The deal to 11 was called off because okc moved up to 10 and took Wallace

And that’s assuming there were no deals to be had with the other teams up to 15

No, that's just what ST thought initially. The deal was Utah trying to move up.

[ChumpDumper]

Could just make the same deal for 11 they already had in place of having contingencies is unrealistic (it shouldn’t be)

Probably unrealistic since were talking another team and everything that goes into negotiations plus any other teams also trying to make deals.

[spurraider21]

No, that's just what ST thought initially. The deal was Utah trying to move up.
Ok that’s fine. Whenever held #11 was willing to move the pick. Get in there

[ChumpDumper]

Ok that’s fine. Whenever held #11 was willing to move the pick. Get in thereTeams say no.

Now what?

[spurraider21]

Teams say no.

Now what?
no trade ever gets done if this is how people went about their business

Somebody is willing to move off their pick. It’s a matter of price. If their ask was ridiculous/bananas, utah wouldn’t agree to move up for it in the first place (assuming it was utah moving up and not us)

This particularly in a scenario where the FO identified way out that they didn’t like anything they saw in FA. If you don’t want to make improvements in FA or via the draft and your plan is just to add victor to the tank team, then that’s just a vision i don’t get behind

[ChumpDumper]

no trade ever gets done if this is how people went about their business

Somebody is willing to move off their pick. It’s a matter of price.Sure, and the Spurs had a deal worked out with a team that was willing to move which took time and negotiation.

There's no reason to think they could just plug and play that same deal wherever they wanted.

[spurraider21]

Sure, and the Spurs had a deal worked out which took time and negotiation.

There's no reason to think they could just plug and play that wherever they wanted.
cool. The spurs had a deal worked out to 11? Then move up to 11 and take bufkin

[ChumpDumper]

cool. The spurs had a deal worked out to 11? Then move up to 11 and take bufkinMaybe they didn't want that.

Maybe they had a deal they were willing to make for a specific player and that player was gone.

I understand the desire to do something NOW when you've been poring over player profiles for months.

[Mr. Body]

Ok that’s fine. Whenever held #11 was willing to move the pick. Get in there

Utah had their 16 or whatever it was to move up. The Spurs had nothing. Goddamn dude

[spurraider21]

Maybe they didn't want that.

Maybe they had a deal they were willing to make for a specific player and that player was gone.

I understand the desire to do something NOW when you've been poring over player profiles for months.
so their one plan to improve the roster (aside from wemby of course) in a combination of the draft and FA was exactly one trade up scenario for Cason Wallace? Seems pretty dumb imo

[ChumpDumper]

so their one plan to improve the roster (aside from wemby of course) in a combination of the draft and FA was exactly one trade up scenario for Cason Wallace? Seems pretty dumb imoYou're free to think every single thing the Spurs do is dumb if you like.

[spurraider21]

You're free to think every single thing the Spurs do is dumb if you like.
No. They’ve done a lot of things I’ve praised. I think having exactly one specific scenario as your only plan to improve the roster is dumb though

[ChumpDumper]

No. They’ve done a lot of things I’ve praised. I think having exactly one specific scenario as your only plan to improve the roster is dumb thoughMaybe there were others that fell through or weren't worth it considering the flexibility that still exists with the cap space.

It's dumb to think they had exactly one plan or thinking they will have no plans going forward.

[spurraider21]

Maybe there were others that fell through or weren't worth it considering the flexibility that still exists with the cap space.

It's dumb to think they had exactly one plan or thinking they will have no plans going forward.
in 2 years with mountains of cap space, what we have to show for it is the 2nd rounder from dedmon and now cedi osman and a 2030 second rounder. I’m told this is simply the best that could be done

the last time we owned a high value second rounder we traded it for two distant second rounders

[ChumpDumper]

in 2 years with mountains of cap space, what we have to show for it is the 2nd rounder from dedmon and now cedi osman and a 2030 second rounder. I’m told this is simply the best that could be doneI simply didn't say that.

[spurraider21]

I simply didn't say that.
What do you think they could have done better

[ChumpDumper]

What do you think they could have done betterDunno specifically. I didn't have any pet deals or players I wanted for myself. I can see how someone with more knowledge could. I do know there were certainly opportunities passed up because they had enough assets to overpay for just about anything during the draft or free agency had they wanted to do so.

So what?

There's still opportunities out there and will continue to be well into the season. I'm fine with dealing with those possibilities (like getting in on a Lillard trade, for example) that mourning something I built up in my mind but didn't happen.

[Ariel]

They traded for 10. We coulda still moved up for Bufkin

We had a deal in place for 11, is the story we’ve heard. We could have made that deal for Bufkin. The deal to 11 was called off because okc moved up to 10 and took Wallace

And that’s assuming there were no deals to be had with the other teams up to 15
I never read anything to that effect. Do you have a source, or is it just speculation on your part?

[K...]

when we drafted wemby we switched from "good picks are worth it because we need to find elite talent with multiple prospects" to " good picks are best spent getting an off the shelf superstar who wants out, or a young prospect available because of $$ concerns or dumb clubs.

If guys like duren , mark williams or halliburton were in the draft and we could get him, then we boofed. But odds are bufkin aint shit and lillard would blow him away in value even given the cost to acquire and salary needed. The delta between prospects like wesley and whatever was in the draft is not high enough to get bent about.

With no good bigs in the draft, and very few in FA i am prepared to be underwhelmed.

[ChumpDumper]

when we drafted wemby we switched from "good picks are worth it because we need to find elite talent with multiple prospects" to " good picks are best spent getting an off the shelf superstar who wants out, or a young prospect available because of $$ concerns or dumb clubs.

If guys like duren , mark williams or halliburton were in the draft and we could get him, then we boofed. But odds are bufkin aint shit and lillard would blow him away in value even given the cost to acquire and salary needed. The delta between prospects like wesley and whatever was in the draft is not high enough to get bent about.

With no good bigs in the draft, and very few in FA i am prepared to be underwhelmed.This is true enough. There are always one or two draftees who really surprise, but this draft seemed very top heavy and the dropoff after the first two tiers looked very significant IMO. It's difficult because so much more projection has to be made with the younger draftees today.

[exstatic]

I wonder if we have something that could be put together to entice Vancouver into giving up Steven Adams.

What do yall think we would have to give up?

From Vancouver,I straight up want Big Country.

[SpursFan86]

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[exstatic]

I think it was Utah.

Nope. OKC swapped 12 with Dallas to get 10, and they selected Cason at that spot.

[Mr. Body]

Nope. OKC swapped 12 with Dallas to get 10, and they selected Cason at that spot.

I'm saying it was Utah that wanted to get to 11 to take Wallace.

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So if it cost the same assets to get Allen as to get Lillard, are you pulling the trigger?

[RC_Drunkford]

So if it cost the same assets to get Allen as to get Lillard, are you pulling the trigger?

nope. Collins seems like a much better fit next to Wemby if you ask me

[SpursFan86]

So if it cost the same assets to get Allen as to get Lillard, are you pulling the trigger?

Good question…I mean the fit is pretty solid IMO. Guess you’d prefer a big with a little more range to help keep the paint unclogged but aside from that he’s a lot of what we’d want to pair with Victor. Plus we’d still have Zollins so that Victor gets some minutes with a stretch big out there with him. He’s also young and on a reasonable contract through 2026 ($20MM a year I believe).

Would have to really think about it but I feel like we could come up with a package that would entice Cleveland while still maintaining plenty of our future draft picks and young talent. Obviously depends on Cleveland’s asking price but I’m guessing it’s be quite a bit less than what Portland wants for Lillard.

All that being said, I highly doubt SA will make any big moves like that. Fun to imagine though :lol

[Dverde]

Nothing against Jarrett Allen, but I see no world he lands with the Spurs.

[Russ]

From Vancouver,I straight up want Big Country.

Reaves already signed, man.

[CGD]

Reaves already signed, man.

Nice