Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's

[TD 21]

this offseason, whether by trade or on the open market in free agency, to save Wembanyama the brunt of battling against front court behemoths in his first season. The Spurs are also said to be high on Zach Collins' starting potential."

Do the Spurs make sense as a possibility for Chris Paul? (yahoo.com) (https://sports.yahoo.com/do-the-spurs-make-sense-as-a-possibility-for-chris-paul-205452750.html)


I don't buy it, but we'll see.

[Dejounte]

Jake Fischer is definitely a reliable source, IMO. He called the DJ to Atlanta way before anyone else did.

[Uriel]

Bring back Jakob?

[Dejounte]

I wish there was a possibility to nab Kevin Looney. He’d be the perfect C next to Wemby, IMO.

[slick'81]

Bring back Jakob?

god yes

[Uriel]

The article mentions that the Spurs don’t intend to rush the rebuilding process and compete for the playoffs next season by bringing in Chris Paul. This seems to contradict timvp’s reporting that the Spurs are interested in Paul.

[TD 21]

Jake Fischer is definitely a reliable source, IMO. He called the DJ to Atlanta way before anyone else did.

To clarify, I meant the likelihood of them actually doing so, not the veracity of his reporting.

Almost anytime I see national media commenting on this team or people within' the league's supposed thoughts on them, they're way off base. Like the notion of Johnson being a good defender or not realizing that Vassell has surpassed him.

[lefty20]

The article mentions that the Spurs don’t intend to rush the rebuilding process and compete for the playoffs next season by bringing in Chris Paul. This seems to contradict timvp’s reporting that the Spurs are interested in Paul.

Tbf, he was only reporting what a rival scout/exec thought what the Spurs would do.


Most Spurs fans on twitter/here/reddit don't really seem fond of the idea or think it very likely.

[mo7888]

I wish there was a possibility to nab Kevin Looney. He’d be the perfect C next to Wemby, IMO.

I like that..

[Degoat]

Notable Free agent C’s
Brook Lopez, Nikola Vuc, Jakob, Christian Wood, Naz Reid, Mason Plumlee, Thomas Bryant, Drummond, Jock Landale, Drew Eubanks, Moritz Wagner, and Jaxson Hayes.
Not the sexiest group lol maybe will hit the trade market

[DPG21920]

With Collins already here and being willing to bang, not sure its too much of an issue tbh…should absolutely look to fill in depth there too but the FA class is fine for a year of fill in C’s IMO

[playblair]

plz.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrClzgv2Ls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8Gw0rKIhpI

[Mr. Body]

The interest in Ayton has reportedly cooled.

Lol barf

[bluebellmaniac]

Bring back Poodle or Boban.

Boban would be our enforcer. Anyone try to hurt Wemby, BOOM, Boban cracks 'em. He'll get quite a few suspensions, but we got him covered under the table.

[Robz4000]

jeebus it's time for our boy to come home :cry:cry!!!!

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[Mr. Body]

Notable Free agent C’s
Brook Lopez, Nikola Vuc, Jakob, Christian Wood, Naz Reid, Mason Plumlee, Thomas Bryant, Drummond, Jock Landale, Drew Eubanks, Moritz Wagner, and Jaxson Hayes.
Not the sexiest group lol maybe will hit the trade market

Of these, only Lopez, Plumlee, Landale, and Moritz Wagner really are what we're looking for, although each may be looking for a starting slot other than Landale and we can't provide a guarantee. We just need depth.

Maybe Drummond as an option. He's only 29! It feels like he's been around forever.

[spurraider21]

I wish there was a possibility to nab Kevin Looney. He’d be the perfect C next to Wemby, IMO.
i like looney, but he works in GSW because they have zero need for offensive production, between Curry/Thompson/Wiggins/Poole/Draymond. he is good at doing grunt work, but nothing beyond that. at least with poeltl we had some semblance of offensive ability. same with targeting a brook lopez type.

[spurraider21]

Notable Free agent C’s
Brook Lopez, Nikola Vuc, Jakob, Christian Wood, Naz Reid, Mason Plumlee, Thomas Bryant, Drummond, Jock Landale, Drew Eubanks, Moritz Wagner, and Jaxson Hayes.
Not the sexiest group lol maybe will hit the trade market
BroLo would be awesome. otherwise we know that Yak is solid, but will also be expensive. toronto is very motivated to keep him. Plumlee is a good realistic target from that group

Reid/Wagner/Landale can play but i dont think they're what we're looking for to pair with Wemby if we want a guy trying to bang down low with the bigger, more physical centers. they can space things out on offense, which is great, but arent exactly physical. brook lopez is the best of both worlds

[Mr. Body]

Milwaukee is keeping Lopez. There's no real question about that. Plumlee seems like he'd get picked up by a playoff team and we're not there yet, but he's what you want, a banger who doesn't need to start and is a smart player. He made $9 million last year and might want something in that range, though.

[EricB]

The article mentions that the Spurs don’t intend to rush the rebuilding process and compete for the playoffs next season by bringing in Chris Paul. This seems to contradict timvp’s reporting that the Spurs are interested in Paul.

you clearly didn’t read the article

[BatManu20]

From my recollection, the Spurs traded Poeltl to Toronto with a handshake agreement between he and Raptors’ brass that he would re-sign there. Otherwise that trade would’ve made no sense for them tbh.

[BatManu20]

With the lack of Centers on the market, maybe this is why timvp said the Spurs could potentially trade up for Jarace Walker. While he’s not a traditional Center obviously, he’s a big, strong body at 6’8 240 lbs with a 7’2 wingspan that could play some small-ball C beside Wemby and interchange with Zollins tbh.

[Dex]

jeebus it's time for our boy to come home :cry:cry!!!!

https://cdn.nba.com/headshots/nba/latest/1040x760/201965.png

:lmao

[Degoat]

I don’t think Jakob would be a good fit with Wemby either lol he’d clock up the lane for everyone.

[Mr. Body]

From my recollection, the Spurs traded Poeltl to Toronto with a handshake agreement between he and Raptors’ brass that he would re-sign there. Otherwise that trade would’ve made no sense for them tbh.

Everything points to Poeltl staying in Toronto. He's not going anywhere.

[Atl Spur]

Kristraps says hi………. don’t over think this boys:)

[Degoat]

Kristraps says hi………. don’t over think this boys:)

There’s reports that he’s opting into his contract, guess he could be a trade candidate tho

[Chomag]

Steven Adams? I just don't know why that he doesn't get brought up by anyone here.

[Mr. Body]

Porzingis will make like $30 million as an expiring. He's going to be in high demand by playoff teams who would like to get off salary. Washington has a really sweet piece there if they rebuild.

[Mr. Body]

Steven Adams? I just don't know why that he doesn't get brought up by anyone here.

Probably because he's not on the market.

[cd98]

I thought someone here said Poertl is an ideal center next to Wemby. Imagine if the Spurs sign him AND get Raptors’ pick. Of course, after Kawhi title, they’ll still come out ahead.

[Atl Spur]

We can offer KP something along the line of 25+ over 4yrs (100-120 mil ). The frontline of Wemby , KP, Sochan is like whoa!

[Dverde]

Porzingis is a horrible idea

[Atl Spur]

Porzingis will make like $30 million as an expiring. He's going to be in high demand by playoff teams who would like to get off salary. Washington has a really sweet piece there if they rebuild.

He’d have to opt in….

[Atl Spur]

Porzingis is a horrible idea

Uhhh….ok:)

[Mr. Body]

We can offer KP something along the line of 25+ over 4yrs (100-120 mil ). The frontline of Wemby , KP, Sochan is like whoa!

It'd be really awesome wondering when our two big skinny guys will get injured and whether they'll both get hurt at the same time.

[lefty20]

Yeah, the whole point of pairing Wemby with another big body is to prevent the extra wear and tear on him. Putting that on highly paid Porzingis instead would be a good way flush the cap space down the drain.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Uhhh….ok:)

$100m to play a guy at C who plays better at forward? Yeah fuck that. He opted in to his contract anyway.

[Atl Spur]

It'd be really awesome wondering when our two big skinny guys will get injured and whether they'll both get hurt at the same time.

Zach and Charles says hello…… one of your unicorns can always be on the floor:) You guys need to check KP out before making these statements.

[Atl Spur]

$100m to play a guy at C who plays better at forward? Yeah fuck that. He opted in to his contract anyway.

Not so fast sparky……he hasn’t opted in yet:)

[GAustex]

Has Porzingis ever shown bright when the pressure is on in the big moments? I recall he spit the bit with Dallas.

[lefty20]

Zach and Charles says hello…… one of your unicorns can always be on the floor:) You guys need to check KP out before making these statements.

In this scenario, who comes of the bench? The 25-30mil/yr Zinger or the greatest prospect in team sports history?

And will you be the one to tell them that?

[Atl Spur]

In this scenario, who comes of the bench? The 25-30mil/yr Zinger or the greatest prospect in team sports history?

And will you be the one to tell them that?

They can start together…. Zach is the first big off the bench. Minimal drop off

[Mr. Body]

Lol, wasn't one of the things about KP in Dallas was he refused to protect the rim?

[ismael-robert]

They said bigs who can bang...kp is not that...he can barely stay healthy

[Atl Spur]

Lol, wasn't one of the things about KP in Dallas was he refused to protect the rim?

What was his defensive metrics this year? I’ll wait……

[Degoat]

On a side note, I saw Clan the spurs fan make a video about a clip of primo putting in work in the gym. Think he gets a 2nd chance in the NBA? Or is he china bound lol

[lefty20]

On a side note, I saw Clan the spurs fan make a video about a clip of primo putting in work in the gym. Think he gets a 2nd chance in the NBA? Or is he china bound lol

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He's too young to not get at least one call from some desperate nba team, imo.

[Degoat]

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He's too young to not get at least one call from some desperate nba team, imo.

Video made me sad, had so much going for him and then he flashed his dick one to many times lol

Any chances it’s with the spurs? I mean there’s been so pretty bad crimes and others got another chance

[Atl Spur]

Video made me sad, had so much going for him and then he flashed his dick one to many times lol

Lol…….really?

[SpurSpike]

Notable Free agent C’s
Brook Lopez, Nikola Vuc, Jakob, Christian Wood, Naz Reid, Mason Plumlee, Thomas Bryant, Drummond, Jock Landale, Drew Eubanks, Moritz Wagner, and Jaxson Hayes.
Not the sexiest group lol maybe will hit the trade market

Id love to see Mason Plumlee as a a Spur.

[daslicer]

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He's too young to not get at least one call from some desperate nba team, imo.

NBA players look like superstars when going up against normal people. I played Damon Jones many years ago in a gym. He looked like Michael Jordan out there against regular people. I will say that you are right he will get another look by a few NBA teams but we'll see if he can be a decent player in this league.

[lefty20]

Any chances it’s with the spurs? I mean there’s been so pretty bad crimes and others got another chance

Considering that his behavior had the fallout of Spurs having to settle a lawsuit against the Franchise, I'd consider that avenue closed.

[daslicer]

Video made me sad, had so much going for him and then he flashed his dick one to many times lol

Any chances it’s with the spurs? I mean there’s been so pretty bad crimes and others got another chance

It worked out in the end for the Spurs. If he kept his dick in his pants the Spurs might not have gotten Wemby. They could have won several more games with him possibly and thus preventing them from getting the number 1 pick.

[Ice009]

It worked out in the end for the Spurs. If he kept his dick in his pants the Spurs might not have gotten Wemby. They could have won several more games with him possibly and thus preventing them from getting the number 1 pick.

When you put it that way, it's kind of crazy to think that we may have gotten the number 1 pick in part due to someone flashing his dick one too many times. Absolutely insane.

I also agree with people in regard to his Spurs chances. There is no way they'd give him a second look.

[slick'81]

When you put it that way, it's kind of crazy to think that we may have gotten the number 1 pick in part due to someone flashing his dick one too many times. Absolutely insane.

I also agree with people in regard to his Spurs chances. There is no way they'd give him a second look.

every thing literally had to go right

[Mr. Body]

A target at 33 should be Trayce Jackson-Davis if he's still there. He has what you need here, has strength and ability to take bumps away from Wembanyama. He's old for a draftee, but is rangy, springy, excellent weak side shotblocker, has a good knack for the game and has developed as a playmaker. No jump shot, possibly more of a bench player, but highly professional and probably ready to go.

[SpurPadre]

jeebus (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=22786) it's time for our boy to come home :cry:cry!!!!

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Nah, THIS is THE ICONIC AYRES:

https://media.gettyimages.com/id/182604161/photo/san-antonio-spurs-media-day.jpg?s=1024x1024&w=gi&k=20&c=GqeQAe-muhSkcgDqxHO4CbS1SjJx7oh2WqhlSai4rlo=

[GAustex]

^uncanny how bad his hands were

[Ditty]

Surprised Naz Reid hasn't got much love tbh. He's only going to be 24 when the season started and even outplayed Gobert at times this season imo.

[Robz4000]

Surprised Naz Reid hasn't got much love tbh. He's only going to be 24 when the season started and even outplayed Gobert at times this season imo.

Plenty of posters have been on the bandwagon to sign him this offseason tbh.

[couchman]

Outside of fantasies like Brook Lopez or Poeltl, Naz Reid should be the target

[duncan2150]

Surprised Naz Reid hasn't got much love tbh. He's only going to be 24 when the season started and even outplayed Gobert at times this season imo.

Would be my first choice if we target a big at fa

[couchman]

Quotes from Naz in this article indicate a starting job is important to him as he decides where to play. He’s done w Minny for sure.
(https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/06/wolves-naz-reid-in-search-of-best-fit-as-free-agent.html)

[Ice009]

Quotes from Naz in this article indicate a starting job is important to him as he decides where to play. He’s done w Minny for sure.
(https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/06/wolves-naz-reid-in-search-of-best-fit-as-free-agent.html)

If he's set on a starting only gig, then the Spurs might not be a fit as they wouldn't guarantee him a starting spot, would they?

[heyheymymy]

I read the Spurs were getting Ayres to train with catching tennis balls instead of basketballs to help him improve.

[r0drig0lac]

Wood?

[Mr. Body]

Only if we get Dick.

[buttsR4rebounding]

It worked out in the end for the Spurs. If he kept his dick in his pants the Spurs might not have gotten Wemby. They could have won several more games with him possibly and thus preventing them from getting the number 1 pick.

Naw. Spurs could have won 4 more games and still been the #3 position. Primo wasn’t worth more than 4 wins and if he was he would had some injury like flasher’s crotch and had to sit.

[spurraider21]

Outside of fantasies like Brook Lopez or Poeltl, Naz Reid should be the target
After Plumlee too

[exstatic]

Wood?

Idiot. Dickhead.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I actually find this notion off base. Zollins was the Spurs best player last year after the trade. He seems like the perfect fit next to Wemby. I expect SA to extend Zollins. Maybe even front load into this year. So if they agree to 40 million for 3 years the Spurs decline his team option and give him 48 million for 4 years starting at 13.5 and declining to 10.5. Then look for a back up in case of injury, but you don’t need a banger on the floor for 48 minutes or even 82 games. More like 25 games. And it’s not like Wemby isn’t going to play some center. Plus Sochan is capable of banging if necessary. This notion that the Spurs priority will be finding a center just seems ludicrous to me.

[spurraider21]

Naw. Spurs could have won 4 more games and still been the #3 position. Primo wasn’t worth more than 4 wins and if he was he would had some injury like flasher’s crotch and had to sit.
Primo being on the team would have guaranteed more losses

[Mr. Body]

I actually find this notion off base. Zollins was the Spurs best player last year after the trade. He seems like the perfect fit next to Wemby. I expect SA to extend Zollins. Maybe even front load into this year. So if they agree to 40 million for 3 years the Spurs decline his team option and give him 48 million for 4 years starting at 13.5 and declining to 10.5. Then look for a back up in case of injury, but you don’t need a banger on the floor for 48 minutes or even 82 games. More like 25 games. And it’s not like Wemby isn’t going to play some center. Plus Sochan is capable of banging if necessary. This notion that the Spurs priority will be finding a center just seems ludicrous to me.

You're correct. Collins was at times the best player on the floor after Poeltl's departure. And he's still growing. The only concerns I have are his health and his hotheadedness. I'm looking for roster depth. I like Bassey, and think Mamu and Sochan can provide bodies on post players, but we still need another player. Don't think it's a starter -- IMO Zach has that role. His skill set is perfect for Wembanyama right now. Maybe a bit undersized against the very biggest C's, but he has a nice free-throw shot, can hit threes, can move the ball around. He has a nice post game, that little baby hook, to punish teams when Wemby drags their big out. He's everything we really need just now.

[The Truth #6]

Fischer fanning the smoke to keep his connections probably. He says looking for a center, so probably means point guard in reality.

[RC_Drunkford]

I actually find this notion off base. Zollins was the Spurs best player last year after the trade. He seems like the perfect fit next to Wemby. I expect SA to extend Zollins. Maybe even front load into this year. So if they agree to 40 million for 3 years the Spurs decline his team option and give him 48 million for 4 years starting at 13.5 and declining to 10.5. Then look for a back up in case of injury, but you don’t need a banger on the floor for 48 minutes or even 82 games. More like 25 games. And it’s not like Wemby isn’t going to play some center. Plus Sochan is capable of banging if necessary. This notion that the Spurs priority will be finding a center just seems ludicrous to me.

That’s actually a good idea since the Spurs need to reach the salary floor they could overpay him now and have him on the roster for cheap later when they back in the playoffs

[onechance87]

Surprised Naz Reid hasn't got much love tbh. He's only going to be 24 when the season started and even outplayed Gobert at times this season imo.

Would be nice to have a nice young center with wemby

[exstatic]

Would be nice to have a nice young center with wemby

Yes, because none of Zach, Mamu, or Charles checks those boxes.

[spurrunner]

There is no way they'd give him a second look.

I bet he'd give the spurs another look

[TD 21]

Surprised Naz Reid hasn't got much love tbh. He's only going to be 24 when the season started and even outplayed Gobert at times this season imo.

I mentioned him pre Wembanyama. At this point, I don't see him as a good fit since he'd be an expensive fourth big and I'd rather provide opportunity for Bassey or even Mamukelashvili, who's skillsets make sense given the top three bigs.



I actually find this notion off base. Zollins was the Spurs best player last year after the trade. He seems like the perfect fit next to Wemby. I expect SA to extend Zollins. Maybe even front load into this year. So if they agree to 40 million for 3 years the Spurs decline his team option and give him 48 million for 4 years starting at 13.5 and declining to 10.5. Then look for a back up in case of injury, but you don’t need a banger on the floor for 48 minutes or even 82 games. More like 25 games. And it’s not like Wemby isn’t going to play some center. Plus Sochan is capable of banging if necessary. This notion that the Spurs priority will be finding a center just seems ludicrous to me.

That's how I see it too. I'm fine with some veteran, low cost fringe rotational C or combo big on a short term contract for depth, but no way I'd splurge on some rotational rim running C to clog things up and limit the younger bigs minutes.

[tbdog]

I still think Spurs will target Grant Williams.

[exstatic]

I still think Spurs will target Grant Williams.

There’s an obsession on ST to target players who haven’t broken out yet, but who have exhausted their cheap rookie contracts. Eight point Keldon? Why? We have the real thing already.

[rankingtear]

So the choice is extending Wemby career vs developing our bargain bin center rotation. Even our farce FO should get this right.

[CGD]

There’s an obsession on ST to target players who haven’t broken out yet, but who have exhausted their cheap rookie contracts. Eight point Keldon? Why? We have the real thing already.

Second draft baby!

I mean it’s not unreasonable. The track record may not be excellent, but the profile is there: young player, draft “experts” saw SOME upside potential just 3-4 years ago, and some are legit in shitty fit situations.

Bottom line: It’s not THAT far off of a gamble than want folks are proposing here in throwing all sorts of assets to move up to 13-18th pick in the draft…

[The Truth #6]

Jacquez, then Trayce Jackson Davis, then Jordan Walsh for me. Walsh is a poor man’s Sochan, but actually more similar to Rodman specifically with the manic energy. Could Walsh be like Detroit Rodman for us? I would roll the dice. I’m against Maxwell Lewis lazy types.

[TD 21]

So the choice is extending Wemby career vs developing our bargain bin center rotation. Even our farce FO should get this right.

I don't get the sarcasm/snobbery due to draft pedigree. Collins is a fringe starter with a skillset that should complement Wembanyama and Bassey is a fringe rotation player (probably just rotational, but I'll err due to small sample size).

The Heat just made their 2nd (and were a shot away from making it in '22) Finals in 4 years, with a bunch of undrafted players playing relatively prominent roles, but somehow the re-building Spurs need a 90s C rotation to either limit Sochan's role or shoehorn him into a position(s) that'll make the offense untenable.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs won championships with Centers like Rasho Nesterovic and Francisco Elson.

[rascal]

Jacquez, then Trayce Jackson Davis, then Jordan Walsh for me. Walsh is a poor man’s Sochan, but actually more similar to Rodman specifically with the manic energy. Could Walsh be like Detroit Rodman for us? I would roll the dice. I’m against Maxwell Lewis lazy types.

Walsh is very poor offensively.

I'd rather have Andre Jackson if you want a wing defender who is a better finisher at the rim than Walsh at least although both are poor shooters.

[John B]

Zach Collins will be the starting C. I think Pop already made that clear. If there’s a C coming in, it will be a veteran C playing backup. I think Spurs will continue to develop Bassey and Barlow, both showed glimpses of great potential.

Rather, I like the Spurs to pursue a defensive starting PG like Anthony Black to pair with Wemby.

[rankingtear]

I don't get the sarcasm/snobbery due to draft pedigree. Collins is a fringe starter with a skillset that should complement Wembanyama and Bassey is a fringe rotation player (probably just rotational, but I'll err due to small sample size).

The Heat just made their 2nd (and were a shot away from making it in '22) Finals in 4 years, with a bunch of undrafted players playing relatively prominent roles, but somehow the re-building Spurs need a 90s C rotation to either limit Sochan's role or shoehorn him into a position(s) that'll make the offense untenable.

They are going to get a vet center. Wemby is priority no. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. If he does not get to the his prime window healthy even Sochan does not matter.

[TD 21]

They are going to get a vet center. Wemby is priority no. 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. If he does not get to the his prime window healthy even Sochan does not matter.


I'm fine with some veteran, low cost fringe rotational C or combo big on a short term contract for depth

[Mr. Body]

Zach Collins will be the starting C. I think Pop already made that clear. If there’s a C coming in, it will be a veteran C playing backup. I think Spurs will continue to develop Bassey and Barlow, both showed glimpses of great potential.

Rather, I like the Spurs to pursue a defensive starting PG like Anthony Black to pair with Wemby.

They can go for both. They can get a defensive PG at almost any point in this draft, with Amari Bailey and Marcus Sasser there at 33. The backup center wouldn't come out of this draft, IMO, unless they find TJD at 33 and want him.

They can see if Jock wants to come back, but I think he earned himself money. They're as likely to see what they can do with Bassey/Mamu/Barlowe.

[exstatic]

They can go for both. They can get a defensive PG at almost any point in this draft, with Amari Bailey and Marcus Sasser there at 33. The backup center wouldn't come out of this draft, IMO, unless they find TJD at 33 and want him.

They can see if Jock wants to come back, but I think he earned himself money. They're as likely to see what they can do with Bassey/Mamu/Barlowe.

Bailey isn’t a PG. Even as a SG on TaT, his asst/TO ratio is listed as a negative trait. If he were a PG, it would be multiple red minuses instead of one.

[Mr. Body]

Bailey isn’t a PG. Even as a SG on TaT, his asst/TO ratio is listed as a negative trait. If he were a PG, it would be multiple red minuses instead of one.

That's fair. To me, I'm more concerned about guarding opposing guards. The team has enough creation on the offensive side that a facilitating point is more of a nice-to-have.

[The Truth #6]

Walsh is very poor offensively.

I'd rather have Andre Jackson if you want a wing defender who is a better finisher at the rim than Walsh at least although both are poor shooters.

If Walsh was a great shooter, then he wouldn’t be available in the second round. Being a poor shooter, obviously could be fatal, but at least he’s a defensive player who can cover many positions, so to me, at least he has some chance of making it in the league, especially with his manic, work ethic and energy. So again, big picture, most second rounders never last, I can only think of a couple second rounders on our team in the last few decades. So I’m starting with the idea of who is a hard worker, who is extremely athletic, has at least one elite NBA skill, and then go from there.

[DAF86]

The Spurs won championships with Centers like Rasho Nesterovic and Francisco Elson.

Yeah, and presidents were elected without the vote of women, but times have changed.

[rascal]

If Walsh was a great shooter, then he wouldn’t be available in the second round. Being a poor shooter, obviously could be fatal, but at least he’s a defensive player who can cover many positions, so to me, at least he has some chance of making it in the league, especially with his manic, work ethic and energy. So again, big picture, most second rounders never last, I can only think of a couple second rounders on our team in the last few decades. So I’m starting with the idea of who is a hard worker, who is extremely athletic, has at least one elite NBA skill, and then go from there.

Andre Jackson > Walsh

[rascal]

Naw. Spurs could have won 4 more games and still been the #3 position. Primo wasn’t worth more than 4 wins and if he was he would had some injury like flasher’s crotch and had to sit.

Primo wasn't any good. He wouldn't have played any better than who the spurs were playing.

[Mr. Body]

Yeah, and presidents were elected without the vote of women, but times have changed.

If the Spurs win championships it won't be with centers any better than those.

[DAF86]

If the Spurs win championships it won't be with centers any better than those.

This "Wemby isn't a center" shtick is so damn retarded :lol

If the Spurs win championships with Wemby, it will be with him on the middle and 4 guys playing wide on his sides.

[scott]

We’ve all kind of written him off… but does Khem Birch fit the roll of vet backup center on this team? Is whatever injury he has really going to result in him being waived/injured? Can he get his passport figured out?

Assuming we bring back Mamu, which almost feel is a certainty, we currently have Collins, Bassey, Mamu, Birch on the roster. And that’s before even thinking about Barlow. Where we gonna get room for all these Cs?

[exstatic]

We’ve all kind of written him off… but does Khem Birch fit the roll of vet backup center on this team? Is whatever injury he has really going to result in him being waived/injured? Can he get his passport figured out?

Assuming we bring back Mamu, which almost feel is a certainty, we currently have Collins, Bassey, Mamu, Birch on the roster. And that’s before even thinking about Barlow. Where we gonna get room for all these Cs?

I think it’s something chronic, and they traded for him with the expressed purpose of obtaining an insurance settlement. You don’t do that if he has more basketball to be played.

[RC_Drunkford]

There’s an obsession on ST to target players who haven’t broken out yet, but who have exhausted their cheap rookie contracts. Eight point Keldon? Why? We have the real thing already.

says the guy who was obsessed with throwing 30 million at Jalen Smith

[offset formation]

We’ve all kind of written him off… but does Khem Birch fit the roll of vet backup center on this team? Is whatever injury he has really going to result in him being waived/injured? Can he get his passport figured out?

Assuming we bring back Mamu, which almost feel is a certainty, we currently have Collins, Bassey, Mamu, Birch on the roster. And that’s before even thinking about Barlow. Where we gonna get room for all these Cs?

Birch for sure is in the rearview and Barlow shouldn't be included going forward imo. Mamu has the ability to play PF. Bassey has flashed incredible post capabilities. He could be a monster next to Wemby. IMO, you see how the roster feels through the draft, then maybe make a move. Certainly would not waste a pick there. Picks should only be at PG and wing (beyond Wembanyama, of course.)

[Atl Spur]

$100m to play a guy at C who plays better at forward? Yeah fuck that. He opted in to his contract anyway.

I don’t think he’s opting innnnnnnnnnnnn!!!! Lol. Keep your eyes open :)

[mo7888]

I don’t think he’s opting innnnnnnnnnnnn!!!! Lol. Keep your eyes open :)

I'm going to indulge this for a second (mainly because I like KP). If KP and Wembanyama are your 4 and 5 then you need a 3 strong enough to check the opposing Center... I'm not sure Sochan can do that.... although, with the talk of is moving up into the top 10... Jarace Walker could..(I feel like i just put on a tin foul hat for some reason)..

[scott]

This is also a good time for me to remind everyone that you are all sleeping on my man Bassey. By the end of this season his deal is going to look like the steal of the century.

[slick'81]

This is also a good time for me to remind everyone that you are all sleeping on my man Bassey. By the end of this season his deal is going to look like the steal of the century.

spurs gave him money for a reason

[Atl Spur]

I'm going to indulge this for a second (mainly because I like KP). If KP and Wembanyama are your 4 and 5 then you need a 3 strong enough to check the opposing Center... I'm not sure Sochan can do that.... although, with the talk of is moving up into the top 10... Jarace Walker could..(I feel like i just put on a tin foul hat for some reason)..

Be bold homie….. if rui can guard jokic with help defense, what would Sochan do?

[tbdog]

There’s an obsession on ST to target players who haven’t broken out yet, but who have exhausted their cheap rookie contracts. Eight point Keldon? Why? We have the real thing already.

Because his game will go well with Wemby, plus he is young and you're hoping that partnership will last.

[exstatic]

Because his game will go well with Wemby, plus he is young and you're hoping that partnership will last.

He’s homeless Keldon. We have that skill set covered.

[kobyz]

Ayton? Send phx Zollins, KBD, MCbuckets and Devonte Graham which is a deal that give them some well needed depth and cap relief after next year

[Mr. Body]

Ayton? Send phx Zollins, KBD, MCbuckets and Birch which is a deal that give them some well needed depth and cap relief

Ayton is soft as baby shit, was unplayable against Denver, is a wimpy headcase and makes an absurd amount of money per season. There's no fucking way the FO is even looking at him.

In fact, I don't even know what teams want to mess with that shit.

[kobyz]

Ayton is soft as baby shit, was unplayable against Denver, is a wimpy headcase and makes an absurd amount of money per season. There's no fucking way the FO is even looking at him.

In fact, I don't even know what teams want to mess with that shit.

had a down year But still has promise, was a big part of a finals team and could use change of scenery to get on track, he's worth to take a chance on when you don't give much to get him

[Mr. Body]

had a down year But still has promise, was a big part of a finals team and could use change of scenery to get on track, he's worth to take a chance on when you don't give much to get him

Fuck no dude

[CGD]

had a down year But still has promise, was a big part of a finals team and could use change of scenery to get on track, he's worth to take a chance on when you don't give much to get him

No for so many reasons. Might as well get KP whose expiring.

[objective]

I also don't understand the Grant Williams talk. He routinely was out of the Celtics playoff rotation and people want to pay him? The guy who would have to sit on the bench so Payton Pritchard could play? Average 5 points per game in the playoffs, this guy? 4 points a game in the Finals?

He's been living off of 2 hot games against the Bucks in a 7 game series. Paying Grant Williams is like paying premium for Big Baby.

[TeKu]

I also don't understand the Grant Williams talk. He routinely was out of the Celtics playoff rotation and people want to pay him? The guy who would have to sit on the bench so Payton Pritchard could play? Average 5 points per game in the playoffs, this guy? 4 points a game in the Finals?

He's been living off of 2 hot games against the Bucks in a 7 game series. Paying Grant Williams is like paying premium for Big Baby.

He's a big body that can bang in the paint, play reasonable team defence and spread the floor (40% 3p over last 2 years on good volume). Plus he's a year older than KJ (24) so can fit/grow with the team. No idea why he didn't play more in the playoffs but it did seem like Mazzulla didn't trust him, or at least favoured his guard rotation over him which pushed Brown/Tatum etc down positions.

His 'type' would do well next to Wemby. I'd like him here but not sure where the minutes come from and doubt he signs up to be the 4th big.

[kobyz]

No for so many reasons. Might as well get KP whose expiring.

Give one reason, KP bad fit

[Mr. Body]

How is Grant Williams 24 dude looks like he's 48.

[heyheymymy]

Please no Ayton, KP or Grant Will plz

[EricB]

had a down year But still has promise, was a big part of a finals team and could use change of scenery to get on track, he's worth to take a chance on when you don't give much to get him


Ayton is a loser. Keep losers the fuck away from this franchise.

[EricB]

Flip Keldon for a top 10 pick, pay Kuzma who’s a better overall player.

[Mr. Body]

Flip Keldon for a top 10 pick, pay Kuzma who’s a better overall player.

Kuzma has said he'd rather play bad in a place like LA and get the attention than play well in Oklahoma and no one notices.

[tbdog]

He's a big body that can bang in the paint, play reasonable team defence and spread the floor (40% 3p over last 2 years on good volume). Plus he's a year older than KJ (24) so can fit/grow with the team. No idea why he didn't play more in the playoffs but it did seem like Mazzulla didn't trust him, or at least favoured his guard rotation over him which pushed Brown/Tatum etc down positions.

His 'type' would do well next to Wemby. I'd like him here but not sure where the minutes come from and doubt he signs up to be the 4th big.

Agree. He makes sense and doesn't break the bank. Wemby, Sochan and Williams is a great foundation for defense. Johnson is kinda the odd one out unless Spurs think Sochan is a legit unorthodox pg, where the attack comes from the wings.

[EricB]

Kuzma has said he'd rather play bad in a place like LA and get the attention than play well in Oklahoma and no one notices.

Give him the bag and gain fame playing with Wemby. Cut a fat hog in the ass as they would say back in the day.

[kobyz]

Ayton is a loser. Keep losers the fuck away from this franchise.

Try make him a winner

[RC_Drunkford]

Keldon is better than Grant Williams and Kyle Kuzma. Also Zach Collins puts up Ayton like stats and doesn't play video games all night for 1/4th of his salary

[bluebellmaniac]

Kuzma.... No.

[Mr. Body]

Give him the bag and gain fame playing with Wemby. Cut a fat hog in the ass as they would say back in the day.

No, hon.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Got the smoke screen going. Good. Zach and Bassey will do the banging.

[Mr. Body]

Got the smoke screen going. Good. Zach and Bassey will do the banging.

Phrasing?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

lol

[KobesAchilles]

I mean is anybody gonna make an offer on Grant Williams? He’s in that Lonnie Walker category. Something like 2 years 15 million would probably do it for him. He would be a great guy off the bench. He has size and toughness and we just need him to hit the open 3. He wouldn’t be starting.

[objective]

He's a big body that can bang in the paint, play reasonable team defence and spread the floor (40% 3p over last 2 years on good volume). Plus he's a year older than KJ (24) so can fit/grow with the team. No idea why he didn't play more in the playoffs but it did seem like Mazzulla didn't trust him, or at least favoured his guard rotation over him which pushed Brown/Tatum etc down positions.

His 'type' would do well next to Wemby. I'd like him here but not sure where the minutes come from and doubt he signs up to be the 4th big.

I don't get it. I understand that he's young, and, well, stocky, but other than attempting 3s and supposed to be a good defender I don't think he's good enough to justify his contract.

He reportedly turned down 4/50. Nate Duncan has talked him up for the Spurs at a salary starting around 16-18 million a year.

That's an absurd amount of money for a guy who doesn't really score, doesn't block shots, doesn't get steals and kind of disappears from games and rotations. 6 rebounds per 36?

I don't think the Spurs should themselves into that kind of player with those years and that kind of money.

[TeKu]

I don't get it. I understand that he's young, and, well, stocky, but other than attempting 3s and supposed to be a good defender I don't think he's good enough to justify his contract.

He reportedly turned down 4/50. Nate Duncan has talked him up for the Spurs at a salary starting around 16-18 million a year.

That's an absurd amount of money for a guy who doesn't really score, doesn't block shots, doesn't get steals and kind of disappears from games and rotations. 6 rebounds per 36?

I don't think the Spurs should themselves into that kind of player with those years and that kind of money.

$16m is 12% of the cap, so not crazy at all for a 3rd big. If you're paying that it's because you think he's more than what he showed this season, not a star, but a really good cog to mesh with stars. And there's a fair case for that given how he never had a settled role in the Celtics rotation. Supposedly the starters wanted him to be paying more but Mazzulla had different ideas, weird stuff going on with that squad this season.

But I think he wants the chance to start, which won't be here, and if he can't find that then would probably prefer 3rd big on the Celtics than elsewhere.

[talkspurs]

$16m is 12% of the cap, so not crazy at all for a 3rd big. If you're paying that it's because you think he's more than what he showed this season, not a star, but a really good cog to mesh with stars. And there's a fair case for that given how he never had a settled role in the Celtics rotation. Supposedly the starters wanted him to be paying more but Mazzulla had different ideas, weird stuff going on with that squad this season.

But I think he wants the chance to start, which won't be here, and if he can't find that then would probably prefer 3rd big on the Celtics than elsewhere.

He would be the 4th big here. Collins, Sochan, Wemby. 12% is a lot to pay for a 3rd big let alone 4th. If he was the 4th best on the team it may not be bad but teams that give out these contracts are the ones that end up in bad position.

[rankingtear]

I would sign Vooch, from the reports i think he would be willing to do 2 years 50. Big body, low key vet, international, shooting, playmaking, post defense, pretty durable last few years, and still young enough to be a good backup C after his contract. We would hit the floor and have cap flexibility in the future. Still gives Collins breathing room to take that spot after a year if he progresses. Zollins and Bassey have yet to show they can hold up playing big minutes in a 82 game season much less protect Wemby his first 2 years, I would not risk it. Atleast get Mason Plumlee. We can and should use the money upto the tax line specially for the guys who would take 2 year deals.

[D-Robinson 50 fan]

I’m not hating on Mamu and think he has got some talent, but why do so many Spurs fans seem to really like this dude? LMAO.

He has some interesting offensive talent, but he is bad defensively and a bad tweener aka he isn’t big enough to guard solid bigs and isn’t quick enough to guard mobile bigs. Zach needs a need contract, I like Bassey and I think Barlow is worth another 2 way deal, but Mamu is the odd man out with the bigs currently on the roster.

[TD 21]

"San Antonio was known to be waiting with a short-term contract for Reid and the hope of pairing him with Victor Wembanyama in the frontcourt, sources said. Now the Spurs (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/san-antonio/) will have to turn to other targets, perhaps someone like Pelicans center Jonas Valančiūnas, as New Orleans and San Antonio recently did business on offloading Devonte’ Graham’s contract, and the Pelicans, sources said, have since made Valanciunas available in search of more mobile, rim-protecting big men."

2023 NBA free agency: With John Collins trade, forwards dominating early discussions (yahoo.com) (https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-free-agency-with-john-collins-trade-forwards-dominating-early-discussions-151510087.html)

[drpill]

I’m not hating on Mamu and think he has got some talent, but why do so many Spurs fans seem to really like this dude? LMAO.

He has some interesting offensive talent, but he is bad defensively and a bad tweener aka he isn’t big enough to guard solid bigs and isn’t quick enough to guard mobile bigs. Zach needs a need contract, I like Bassey and I think Barlow is worth another 2 way deal, but Mamu is the odd man out with the bigs currently on the roster.

IMO he is a pretty exciting player to watch, he's demonstrated a knack for making clever plays and big shots. Agreed he is not a perfect fit defensively, but I really do want to keep him around to see how he develops. He's more than big enough to guard just about anyone ("Listed at 6’11 with an improving 240-pound frame and a 7’1 wingspan," per NBA.com draft profile (https://www.nba.com/draft/2021/prospects/sandro-mamukelashvili)), but he plays a finesse game so he maybe lacks the physicality you're looking for.

Personally I think there are going to be some eye popping moments throughout the season with Mamu and Wembanyama on the floor together.

[Mr. Body]

I’m not hating on Mamu and think he has got some talent, but why do so many Spurs fans seem to really like this dude? LMAO.

He has some interesting offensive talent, but he is bad defensively and a bad tweener aka he isn’t big enough to guard solid bigs and isn’t quick enough to guard mobile bigs. Zach needs a need contract, I like Bassey and I think Barlow is worth another 2 way deal, but Mamu is the odd man out with the bigs currently on the roster.

He's an incredible passer for his size. No, he's not odd man out.

[Mr. Body]

The Spurs are going to rip teams apart with ball movement.

[BatManu20]

I’d be fine with Valunciunas so long as we don’t overpay. He’s an expiring this season so he wouldn’t fetch a FRP or anything like that. He always balls out when he plays the Spurs though, so I’m here he’s very much on their radar.

[Obstructed_View]

I’m not hating on Mamu and think he has got some talent, but why do so many Spurs fans seem to really like this dude? LMAO.

He has some interesting offensive talent, but he is bad defensively and a bad tweener aka he isn’t big enough to guard solid bigs and isn’t quick enough to guard mobile bigs. Zach needs a need contract, I like Bassey and I think Barlow is worth another 2 way deal, but Mamu is the odd man out with the bigs currently on the roster.

People who peruse box scores to make player evaluations get sniffed out pretty quickly.

[R. DeMurre]

I like Mamu's game and am rooting for him, but I have to be realistic-- playing alongside Giannis would in theory be perfect for a 6'11 center who's a good passer and can occasionally hit a three. That fact that Milwaukee waived him and his minimum contract is pretty telling. Could he be a 5th big? Sure.

[Spursfanfromafar]

I think the targetting centers talk is baseless. The C rotation is set with Collins, Bassey & Mamu unless the Spurs get an offer that they cannot refuse. What the Spurs lack is a good PG to set up the team and who can reasonably shoot threes. Jones is a great back-up, but isn't the ideal starter. Graham doesn't cut it and Wesley is too raw.

The Wizards are flush with three PGs in Tyus Jones, Monte Morris & Delon Wright, besides Jordan Poole who will be a combo guard. The asking price for Morris might be a tad too high, but I think the Spurs shouldn't hesitate in trying to pry out Delon Wright if they have the possibility. He is a good defender, an acceptable shooter and can be around for a relatively short contract (expiring next year).

[Mr. Body]

Mamu could definitely suck.

[RC_Drunkford]

Mamu said at the Wemby press conference that he would like to be back, but doesn't know his status. So it's still up in the air

[RC_Drunkford]

I think the targetting centers talk is baseless. The C rotation is set with Collins, Bassey & Mamu unless the Spurs get an offer that they cannot refuse.

If that's the case the Spurs wouldn't be interested in Naz Reid and reports said they were and had a deal ready for him

[Mr. Body]

Mamu said at the Wemby press conference that he would like to be back, but doesn't know his status. So it's still up in the air

He's really like Champagnie where they benefit from the team not wanting to expend a lot of resources on positions yet, certainly not depth for its own sake. They both played well down the stretch and it would be surprising to not see them get a chance. We need shooters. We could use a big who will hustle and move the ball around.

[rankingtear]

Mamu is fun but what do you even do with him. His a 24 year old does whatever and guards no one.

[Mr. Body]

Mamu is fun but what do you even do with him. His a 24 year old does whatever and guards no one.

Do you actually watch the games or do you just make stuff up?

[rankingtear]

Do you actually watch the games or do you just make stuff up?

Yeah pop just let him play his game. Let Mamu be mamu.

[Spursfanfromafar]

If that's the case the Spurs wouldn't be interested in Naz Reid and reports said they were and had a deal ready for him

Yeah. Reid offered a profile of a center who is a good back-up, quite good on offense, both at the rim and as a floor-spreader and could have been available for relatively cheap. Basically if he was available, it was an offer that the Spurs couldn't have refused. He would have been an upgrade over Mamu.

But getting a similar C with a small salary commitment and an upgrade over the Collins-Bassey-Mamu brigade is practically a fruitless search now that Reid is out of the market and others like Poeltl/ Lopez / etc would be relatively expensive.

[Degoat]

We honestly just need a banger down low, maybe Mamu can do that? Sochan and Wemby will protect the rim with shot blocking.

[spurraider21]

I think the targetting centers talk is baseless. The C rotation is set with Collins, Bassey & Mamu unless the Spurs get an offer that they cannot refuse. What the Spurs lack is a good PG to set up the team and who can reasonably shoot threes. Jones is a great back-up, but isn't the ideal starter. Graham doesn't cut it and Wesley is too raw.

The Wizards are flush with three PGs in Tyus Jones, Monte Morris & Delon Wright, besides Jordan Poole who will be a combo guard. The asking price for Morris might be a tad too high, but I think the Spurs shouldn't hesitate in trying to pry out Delon Wright if they have the possibility. He is a good defender, an acceptable shooter and can be around for a relatively short contract (expiring next year).
i dont think the spurs are (nor should they be) considering Bassey/Mamu certainties when it comes to being parts of an effective center rotation. they think bassey has game/upside, but we havent really seen that play out yet. mamu is obviously a talented player, but can he can only really survive out there if he's accompanied by another big. luckily, collins/wemby are versatile enough where they can seamlessly switch between the 4 and 5.

but if we need a big to contend with the burly centers that they dont think wemby can handle, collins is the only guy on the roster right now we can throw out there confidently, and he can be foul prone at times. adding another legit "big" center like Jonas, Jakob, BroLo is something the team seems compelled to do.

[spurraider21]

I’d be fine with Valunciunas so long as we don’t overpay. He’s an expiring this season so he wouldn’t fetch a FRP or anything like that. He always balls out when he plays the Spurs though, so I’m here he’s very much on their radar.
https://i.gyazo.com/2054c72c31a01ab9cb71e4e32b3a3b50.png

[RC_Drunkford]

He's really like Champagnie where they benefit from the team not wanting to expend a lot of resources on positions yet, certainly not depth for its own sake. They both played well down the stretch and it would be surprising to not see them get a chance. We need shooters. We could use a big who will hustle and move the ball around.

they both nice plug and play guys, that's why I expect them to be back

[TrueSpursFan]

Mamu said at the Wemby press conference that he would like to be back, but doesn't know his status. So it's still up in the air

I didn’t even see that, that video up on YouTube?

[CGD]

"San Antonio was known to be waiting with a short-term contract for Reid and the hope of pairing him with Victor Wembanyama in the frontcourt, sources said. Now the Spurs (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/san-antonio/) will have to turn to other targets, perhaps someone like Pelicans center Jonas Valančiūnas, as New Orleans and San Antonio recently did business on offloading Devonte’ Graham’s contract, and the Pelicans, sources said, have since made Valanciunas available in search of more mobile, rim-protecting big men."

2023 NBA free agency: With John Collins trade, forwards dominating early discussions (yahoo.com) (https://sports.yahoo.com/2023-nba-free-agency-with-john-collins-trade-forwards-dominating-early-discussions-151510087.html)

One year of Valančiūnas, sure, I’m here for that.

[Degoat]

Why would NOLA want to get rid of Valanucianas

[spurraider21]

article says they want a more mobile center, tho im not sure how we really contribute to that. obviously not gonna give zollins

[CGD]

Why would NOLA want to get rid of Valanucianas

It’s in the article bro

[Mr. Body]

article says they want a more mobile center, tho im not sure how we really contribute to that. obviously not gonna give zollins

Not a lot of mobile, shotblocking centers available unless they want - snort - Mo Bamba. They have one on their roster who's not any good in Jackson Hayes. I could see them going after Robert Williams.

[BatManu20]

https://i.gyazo.com/2054c72c31a01ab9cb71e4e32b3a3b50.png

Wow it’s even worse than I thought. He’s basically an All-Star when he plays us.

[spurraider21]

Wow it’s even worse than I thought. He’s basically an All-Star when he plays us.
always seemed bizarre that poodle couldnt handle him. seemed like his type of matchup

[CGD]

Yeah, he always crushed us especially on the offensive glass.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Seems like the Spurs have been chasing Valenciunas ever since he was draft eligible. He would make sense on this roster, Bassey and Mamu be damned. I like what Collins brings to the table, but Valenciunas probably has 20 pounds on him. They need someone with bulk and he's got skills as well as decent range. Not much of a rim protector, but I think they have that area covered as of last week. Yes, please. Sign me up.

[mo7888]

I'd be very happy with Valanciunas. If we got him and Lowry, I'd consider this a very successful summer post draft.

[RC_Drunkford]

I didn’t even see that, that video up on YouTube?

Ain't no video. One of the Spurs beat writers asked him and posted his response on twitter

[LeBowen]

always seemed bizarre that poodle couldnt handle him. seemed like his type of matchup

Tbh, Jakob often got shit on by bigs good in the post. They just baited him into early foul trouble.
He's a great team defender and rim protector, but questionable in the post.

I wouldn't be against Valanucianas, getting him would also mean that Spurs want to win as many games as possible.
If they're serious about getting a good C, then we're also probably getting an actual NBA level starting point guard.

[Kurik]

To be honest I’d probably be ok with offering the Charlotte First round pick for JV, maybe increase the protection on it if that’s even a thing and offer a couple second round picks.

[spurraider21]

To be honest I’d probably be ok with offering the Charlotte First round pick for JV, maybe increase the protection on it if that’s even a thing and offer a couple second round picks.
give them the josh richardson SRP's back :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Lopez would be great on the Spurs next to Wemby. Pipedream, I assume, because I believe the Bucks will do all they can to retain him. Unless the new coach in Milwaukee wants to change things up a bit.

[TD 21]

I'd be very happy with Valanciunas. If we got him and Lowry, I'd consider this a very successful summer post draft.

I wouldn't. Hopefully they don't target a starting C (would limit rotational flexibility), especially one with poor feel, who can't protect the rim, defend in space or space the floor (low volume and slow release = no one guards him from 3), like Valanciunas. He'll also be 30-31 and in a contract season.

Can't stand Lowry and like Van Vleet, don't ever want to see him in this uniform. Ref baiting clown, who despite the national media Craptors fanboy hype, is on his last legs.

[mo7888]

I wouldn't. Hopefully they don't target a starting C (would limit rotational flexibility), especially one with poor feel, who can't protect the rim, defend in space or space the floor (low volume and slow release = no one guards him from 3), like Valanciunas. He'll also be 30-31 and in a contract season.

Can't stand Lowry and like Van Vleet, don't ever want to see him in this uniform. Ref baiting clown, who despite the national media Craptors fanboy hype, is on his last legs.

I don't assume its a given that Valanciunas is a starter. I do like Lowry on this team very much for a year. Good locker room guy that can run an offense and is fine coming off the bench. It would raise our floor. Now Van Fleet i dont really want, even though he's the better player currently. I'm not interest in paying $30M/yr + long-term for what he brings.

[spurraider21]

id rather absorb an expiring Lowry who can give us one solid year than go and sign Vanvleet coming off the season he just had

[TD 21]

I don't assume its a given that Valanciunas is a starter. I do like Lowry on this team very much for a year. Good locker room guy that can run an offense and is fine coming off the bench. It would raise our floor. Now Van Fleet i dont really want, even though he's the better player currently. I'm not interest in paying $30M/yr + long-term for what he brings.

Whether literal or not, Valanciunas is a minimum 20 mpg player. He'd also probably pout with a reduced role on a team of this caliber.

Lowry is moody, prickly and "fine coming off the bench" for a pseudo contender. He'd probably try to work out a buyout if traded here.

[Mr. Body]

Val is looking for his next contract. I'm sure he'd want to be out there playing as much as possible. Lowry is near the end of his career.

[J_Paco]

With Collins already here and being willing to bang, not sure its too much of an issue tbh…should absolutely look to fill in depth there too but the FA class is fine for a year of fill in C’s IMO

They have Collins, Bassey and Mamu as their center depth. I'd look to add another cheap veteran, but spending anymore cap space on the position would be foolish.

Getting a 3-and-D wing, another combo forward, or retaining KBD (on a team friendly deal) are all bigger priorities.

Obviously, outside of either retaining or replacing Tre Jones.

[Dverde]

Val is looking for his next contract. I'm sure he'd want to be out there playing as much as possible. Lowry is near the end of his career.

Water is also wet.

[playblair]

bediako will make the team as the starting center.......he was the anchor of the best defense in college basketball.......when he got injured alabama became pedestrian on defense.... no need to sign a free agent

[Mr. Body]

Water is also wet.

Point?

[Seventyniner]

Whether literal or not, Valanciunas is a minimum 20 mpg player. He'd also probably pout with a reduced role on a team of this caliber.

Lowry is moody, prickly and "fine coming off the bench" for a pseudo contender. He'd probably try to work out a buyout if traded here.

I have been assuming that the Spurs' pursuit of Reid and Valanciunas was to have one of them start at C, and that they would pursue Lowry with the intent of starting him at PG. But I could be wrong.

[FkLA]

WTF is up with RC and the Spurs' obsession with Valenciunas?

Nobody needs an archaic center. Would much rather pay to bring Jak back.

[CGD]

Real talk: what percent chance do you give to Poeltl being back with the team at the start of the season?

Can’t read the Raptors at all!

[Mr. Body]

Real talk: what percent chance do you give to Poeltl being back with the team at the start of the season?

Can’t read the Raptors at all!

Zero.

It would be very bad form to resign him at this point. Word is he's going to extend with them anyway.

[CGD]

Zero.

It would be very bad form to resign him at this point. Word is he's going to extend with them anyway.

I hear you, just wonder what happens is Siakam is moved. Does that mean they’re rebuilding? In any case it seems good for the Spurs who own their pick!

[spurraider21]

WTF is up with RC and the Spurs' obsession with Valenciunas?

Nobody needs an archaic center. Would much rather pay to bring Jak back.
can get 1 on an expiring deal. would need to give the other one an expensive 4 year deal

[Eaglenole2002]

Real talk: what percent chance do you give to Poeltl being back with the team at the start of the season?

Can’t read the Raptors at all!

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but they gave Sidy No. 25. I think of Jak was under serious contention they’d hve kept the number available.

[FkLA]

can get 1 on an expiring deal. would need to give the other one an expensive 4 year deal

Given RC's obsession with him, I'd assume it's more than a one year rental if they're targeting him specifically.

But if it is just a one year rental why not get that from a more modern center? Val's style of play is so useless.

[Mr. Body]

??

Where's this talk of obsession coming from?

[Extra Stout]

??

Where's this talk of obsession coming from?
Obviously if a topic is being discussed a lot in this forum, it must mean we are manifesting the thoughts of the Spurs’ front office. It’s spiritual.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have been linked to Val multiple times going back to his draft in 2011. The team was supposedly entertaining trading Parker to Toronto for him. That was the rumor Tony called a smokescreen for the Spurs trying to use Hill to draft Kawhi. I imagine the Spurs tried to get Val in the Leonard trade and were rebuffed. Jonas is one of a long (long) line of bigs draft pundits crowned as "The Next Duncan". How much the Spurs coveted him, we don't know. But they've certainly had rumors floating around concerning him.

[scott]

Getting Big Daddy Val would at least mean 4 less occasions per year of him bending us over.

Hilarious tidbit about Mamu at the Wemby presser. We have a guy who isn’t under contract, doesn’t know the status of anything… but fuck it, he’s gonna show up to see the Wemby. Love it.

[mookie2001]

This board has an obsession with any player who could possibly be uncircumcised. No joke.

The eternal struggle.

[cutewizard]

Who is Bediako

[ismael-robert]

Didn't realize Bassey is lowest paid player in nba...spurs set another record! I make more than a nba player!

[John B]

Who is Bediako

7'0 21 yrs old, Brandon Miller's teammate. He anchored Alabama's defense. He signed a one-year deal with the Spurs. I'm curious to see him in the Summer league.

[TrueSpursFan]

Ain't no video. One of the Spurs beat writers asked him and posted his response on twitter

cool thanks

[itzsoweezee]

I’m guessing plumlee, or maybe Poetl, depending on how much money they need to spend

[cutewizard]

Can we get Jakob for how much?

[CGD]

Can we get Jakob for how much?

The Raps beat reporter mused that Raps could bring him back at around $63m/3yrs. So $20M a year, which isn’t my favorite.

[Dex]

The Raps beat reporter mused that Raps could bring him back at around $63m/3yrs. So $20M a year, which isn’t my favorite.

:lmao That is a HELL NO.

People here were complaining when he was making $8M a year.

I know the Spurs have some cap to play with and I wouldn't mind seeing Poeltl come back, but only for like half that price.

[lmbebo]

Can't see Poetl going for 10M/yr. Guy from Chicago getting 20m/yr...

[CGD]

Can't see Poetl going for 10M/yr. Guy from Chicago getting 20m/yr...

Yeah, but at least he can shoot

[dbestpro]

7'0 21 yrs old, Brandon Miller's teammate. He anchored Alabama's defense. He signed a one-year deal with the Spurs. I'm curious to see him in the Summer league.

He is a banger, physical player and made all defense team in the conference as a sophomore. Could be gold found under the rock.

[BackHome]

2024 Draft not really strong on big boy centers though I am sure Donovan Clingan 7'2 Center playing on Connecticut will be one of the players they go after in next years draft

[BackHome]

2024 Draft not really strong on big boy centers though I am sure Donovan Clingan 7'2 Center playing on Connecticut will be one of the players they go after in next years draft

[Dverde]

The Raps beat reporter mused that Raps could bring him back at around $63m/3yrs. So $20M a year, which isn’t my favorite.

That sounds about right to me. I don’t think that offer is outrageous, you just don’t want to be the team paying it.

[SpurSpike]

Thomas Bryant is a free agent. He had a good run with the lakers last year when Davis was injured between Dec 16 - January 7th.

During that time he averaged 17 points with 68% shooting percentage with 10 rebounds in 29 minutes a game. He even hit 55% of his 3 point shots...

[Degoat]

Thomas Bryant is a free agent. He had a good run with the lakers last year when Davis was injured between Dec 16 - January 7th.

During that time he averaged 17 points with 68% shooting percentage with 10 rebounds in 29 minutes a game. He even hit 55% of his 3 point shots...


He’s the main C I’ve been spectating they go for.

[Kurik]

Thomas Bryant would be fine on a 1 year, he’s just not really known as a good defender.

[JuneJive]

He's rubbish. Dieng would be more useful.

[slick'81]

Finally the free agency spending spree will begin:lol

[Spurs9]

:lmao That is a HELL NO.

People here were complaining when he was making $8M a year.

I know the Spurs have some cap to play with and I wouldn't mind seeing Poeltl come back, but only for like half that price.

Exactly, why does everyone want him back so badly? He was OK but not at those prices. Don't think our FO is dumb enough to give a contract like that.

[Knox]

PURTLE for a 3-year $40 million front loaded declining annual salary?

[spurraider21]

PURTLE for a 3-year $40 million front loaded declining annual salary?
more like 3/60 range

[EricB]

People think it’s 2007 prices for good players apparently

[tbdog]

Exactly, why does everyone want him back so badly? He was OK but not at those prices. Don't think our FO is dumb enough to give a contract like that.

Poeltl makes sense with Victor. Doesn't matter who you bring out to guard the outside, you can still protect the paint.

[KobesAchilles]

Poeltl makes sense with Victor. Doesn't matter who you bring out to guard the outside, you can still protect the paint.
Except he doesn’t make any sense this year at all and maybe even going forward. Victor isn’t a 3 point shooter, Sochan isn’t a 3 point shooter, Tre isn’t a 3 point shooter, and Jak isn’t a 3 point shooter. That would make for the worst spacing group in the entire nba

[DAF86]

There was also a growing belief that they would trade up, and did the opposite, tbh.

[Mugen]

:lol They're not gonna get Jak. He's just using the Spurs to drive up his price but he'll be back in Toronto.

[Chinook]

There was also a growing belief that they would trade up, and did the opposite, tbh.

But Wright actually confirmed that's what the Spurs wanted to do. Unlike the draft everything is basically one and done, free agency should be where they have a lot of chances execute their plan.

[scott]

Going after Jak if Toronto isn't interested is one thing. Actively competing with them for Jak is another, and would be a bad move. Toronto has been a good trade partner for us as of late. Jak isn't worth destroying that relationship for.

[Ariel]

There was also a growing belief that they would trade up, and did the opposite, tbh.
That's just flawed reasoning, they could have easily tried unsuccessfully. In fact it was known many teams were trying to move up, especially in picks 17-19 and couldn't get anything done.

[Ariel]

Going after Jak if Toronto isn't interested is one thing. Actively competing with them for Jak is another, and would be a bad move. Toronto has been a good trade partner for us as of late. Jak isn't worth destroying that relationship for.
Yeah, I agree with this especially just a few months removed from the trade. If it was next year then it'd be fair game, this might damage relations with Toronto and possibly other front offices, and that would likely outweigh whatever gains you get from Poeltl.

[DAF86]

That's just flawed reasoning, they could have easily tried unsuccessfully. In fact it was known many teams were trying to move up, especially in picks 17-19 and couldn't get anything done.

It's no reasoning, it's an observation. Just like it is also an observation that the Spurs were suppossedly interested in Chris Paul, and how is also an observation that the Spurs are suppossedly taking a patient approach to see how guys develop around Wemby.

I think it would be a mistake to go for a big time signing in the center position, mainly because Wemby will irremediably end up being the starting center sooner or later, but also because you don't know what kind of frontcourt partner would fit better on his side. On paper, a guy like Jakob makes little to no sense.

[Leetonidas]

I think the whole idea that SA would be looked upon negatively for going after Jak is overstated. He is a FA, the Spurs have 30M in capspace, and he did not extend with the Raptors (not that anyone expected him to). he's completely fair game imo. Not like it's never happened before

[R. DeMurre]

Except he doesn’t make any sense this year at all and maybe even going forward. Victor isn’t a 3 point shooter, Sochan isn’t a 3 point shooter, Tre isn’t a 3 point shooter, and Jak isn’t a 3 point shooter. That would make for the worst spacing group in the entire nba


This is the one thing that makes me wonder about Mo Bamba-- he's a decent three point shooter, and would draw a defending big out of the middle to give Wemby & co. more paint space. Bamba's been a relative disappointment to this point, but I think he's plausibly a net neutral guy, and the NBA has never seen a C with a 7'10" wingspan lurking behind a PF with an 8' wingspan before.

[Leetonidas]

Mo Bamba sucks. Dude is still living off draft hype after all these years :lol there's a reason a bad team like ORL dumped him for nothing basically. For being so large he has 0 bbiq, 0 passion for the game, and he is a complete traffic cone on defense. his potential is all theoretical

[timtonymanu]

Mo Bamba sucks. Dude is still living off draft hype after all these years :lol there's a reason a bad team like ORL dumped him for nothing basically. For being so large he has 0 bbiq, 0 passion for the game, and he is a complete traffic cone on defense. his potential is all theoretical

He was bad on the Lakers that they played the corpse of Tristan Thompson over him.

[buttsR4rebounding]

We should only be going after players that can help space the floor regardless of what position we are trying to fill. The bulk of the team is set and that is a huge need. I actually really like Zollins as the starting center. He was the best player on the team after the trade. I realize there are injury concerns, but it's not like this is the big "make a push for the playoffs" year. If you want to go after someone as a back up fine, but don't be spending money on another starting center.

[Ariel]

It's no reasoning, it's an observation. Just like it is also an observation that the Spurs were suppossedly interested in Chris Paul, and how is also an observation that the Spurs are suppossedly taking a patient approach to see how guys develop around Wemby.

I think it would be a mistake to go for a big time signing in the center position, mainly because Wemby will irremediably end up being the starting center sooner or later, but also because you don't know what kind of frontcourt partner would fit better on his side. On paper, a guy like Jakob makes little to no sense.
You're making an observation (that a widespread belief didn't come to fruition) to implicitly suggest something else (that another belief may also be false). I'm just saying I wouldn't put too much stock on past events either way. Also I don't agree with your conclusion that Wemby will inevitably end up the starting center, while I don't rule him out at center at some point, I think it's a pretty safe bet that it won't happen during the next 3 years, which would be the likely duration of said contract. Personally I wouldn't go for Poeltl either, I'd offer Plumlee something like 20/2 to keep Wemby from getting banged up now that he's paper thin and go from there. You've got the best of both worlds, help him start his career with the right foot, while keeping financial flexibility going forward.

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think the whole idea that SA would be looked upon negatively for going after Jak is overstated. He is a FA, the Spurs have 30M in capspace, and he did not extend with the Raptors (not that anyone expected him to). he's completely fair game imo. Not like it's never happened before

We have a winner...this is absolutely true.

[DAF86]

You're making an observation (that a widespread belief didn't come to fruition) to implicitly suggest something else (that another belief may also be false). I'm just saying I wouldn't put too much stock on past events either way. Also I don't agree with your conclusion that Wemby will inevitably end up the starting center, while I don't rule him out at center at some point, I think it's a pretty safe bet that it won't happen during the next 3 years, which would be the likely duration of said contract. Personally I wouldn't go for Poeltl either, I'd offer Plumlee something like 20/2 to keep Wemby from getting banged up now that he's paper thin and go from there. You've got the best of both worlds, help him start his career with the right foot, while keeping financial flexibility going forward.

That's even a worse fit than Poeltl, because he's Poeltl lite, only way worse.

Wemby will be playing lots of minutes already alongside guys like Sochan and Tre. Pairing him with yet another non-shooter and providing him with sub-optimal spacing wouldn't exactly be giving him the best scenario to succeed, tbh.

[DesignatedT]

I agree with the premise that Wemby needs to be surrounded by shooters for the most part but you still need a bigger center down low who can bang when Wemby is off the court and against certain matchups. A player like Plumlee coming off the bench for 20mpg is not a bad idea and is actually a necessity.

[spurraider21]

I agree with the premise that Wemby needs to be surrounded by shooters for the most part but you still need a bigger center down low who can bang when Wemby is off the court and against certain matchups. A player like Plumlee coming off the bench for 20mpg is not a bad idea and is actually a necessity.
yep. i just hope its not Zubac lol

the nice thing about the BroLo prospect is you hit 2 birds. surround wemby with another shooter, but also a bigger center down low that can bang with other bigs

[Ariel]

That's even a worse fit than Poeltl, because he's Poeltl lite, only way worse.

Wemby will be playing lots of minutes already alongside guys like Sochan and Tre. Pairing him with yet another non-shooter and providing him with sub-optimal spacing wouldn't exactly be giving him the best scenario to succeed, tbh.
Well obviously, it's 2 years 20M rather than 4 years 80M. Furthermore, in those 2 years the Spurs won't need the cap space, and when they do need it (2 years down the road, when hopefully we're good) he comes off the books. It's a stop gap that can give you 20 mpg, not a long term starter. Pop can be smart and avoid putting all 3 of those guys (Tre, Sochan and Plumlee) together with Wemby for long stretches. You're thinking '25, not '23.

[DesignatedT]

yep. i just hope its not Zubac lol

the nice thing about the BroLo prospect is you hit 2 birds. surround wemby with another shooter, but also a bigger center down low that can bang with other bigs

Agreed. I hope the Spurs are in touch with Lopez. Even if you have to overpay on a shorter term deal.

[DAF86]

Well obviously, it's 2 years 20M rather than 4 years 80M. Furthermore, in those 2 years the Spurs won't need the cap space, and when they do need it (2 years down the road, when hopefully we're good) he comes off the books. It's a stop gap that can give you 20 mpg, not a long term starter. Pop can be smart and avoid putting all 3 of those guys (Tre, Sochan and Plumlee) together with Wemby for long stretches. You're thinking '25, not '23.

Sure, but why not find a stop gap that actually fits?

[Joseph Kony]

Lopez is not coming here :lol

[Degoat]

Lopez is not coming here :lol

We’re gonna end up with Robin Lopez aren’t we lol

[objective]

One of Jake Fischer's rumors is that Houston has/will offered Lopez 2/40 and are waiting on an answer

[DAF86]

The Spurs should be targeting a starting PG over a starting C, tbh. Some of these Spurs' rumours have me scratching my head, I hope it's all smoke because I don't like the names/moves being throwing around: resigning Tre to 4/40, Plumlee being the #1 free agent target. These are the complete opposite of moves that fit the process.

[slick'81]

The Spurs should be targeting a starting PG over a starting C, tbh. Some of these Spurs' rumours have me scratching my head, I hope it's all smoke because I don't like the names/moves being throwing around: resigning Tre to 4/40, Plumlee being the #1 free agent target. These are the complete opposite of moves that fit the process.


youd think theyd learned from patty/pau

[Ariel]

Sure, but why not find a stop gap that actually fits?
By all means, go through the list of available players and find a proven center who can defend, rebound, stretch the floor, commands little money, and doesn't care for long term job security. I'll be all for it!!!

[Chomag]

I wonder if we have something that could be put together to entice Vancouver into giving up Steven Adams.

What do yall think we would have to give up?

[Mr. Body]

I wonder if we have something that could be put together to entice Vancouver into giving up Steven Adams.

What do yall think we would have to give up?

What year is this?