Spurs Select Sidy Cissoko with the 44th Overall Pick in the 2023 NBA Draft

[Chinook]

In fact, Cissoko was never really loaned to the d-league. D-league and NBA don't accept loans. Cissoko signed the same kind of contract as other d-league ignite players.

NBA like all leagues respect FIBA rules for international trades.
Basketball players are linked to a country. When they want to play in another country, they must get a letter of clearance from the federation of their initial country. The federation checked with their previous team if they are free to go and then they become linked to their new country.

Last year, Cissoko's agents and Baskonia negotiated the he could leave them for a year to play in D-League and then come back with them at the end of the season. Before signing with the ignite team, Cissoko got a letter of clearance from the Spanish federation to become an US player. At the end of the D-league season he got a letter of clearance from the US basketball federation to be linked back with Spain. That's how it works.

One can imagine Cissoko's agents negotiating again with Baskonia to postpone the buyout by another year but that's highly unlikely.

And it wasn't possible for Cissoko to decide not to come back with Baskonia. FIBA has a tribunal in case players or teams don't respect their contracts.

Thanks, and while I didn't know most of those details, the basic contour is how I assumed it worked prior to hearing about Cissoko's situation. You have to think that this situation might've scared off other teams, meaning he wasn't ever all that likely to be drafted earlier in the draft. The Spurs may have been targeting him at 33 but were confident he'd be around at 44 because of his inability to be signed to a two-way.

I can't see the Spurs paying the max buyout amount (and potentially more so that Cissoko can cover the rest of the amount) and then waiving him in camp. It seems like he should be considered at least a near lock to make the roster.

[spurraider21]

BTW, to me the situation is very simple:

- Spurs knew before drafting Cissoko his contractual situation and that a two way contract wasn't an option.

- Spurs have already offered Cissoko a true NBA contract and the money to pay his buyout.

- The only reason why he hasn't signed it yet is the same why Tre Jones hasn't signed his contract. It would have taken some cap space.
chinook has floated the scenario where cissoko isnt signed to an nba deal until some point in the season. keep him "stashed" until they're able to clear things up closer to the deadline, etc

[BackHome]

That sound pretty cool so legally he belongs to Spain until he and the Spurs can work out a contract and since we drafted him we don’t have to worry about a team poaching him. So probably not until after trade deadline passes depending if we still trying to work out deals.

[spurraider21]

That sound pretty cool so legally he belongs to Spain until he and the Spurs can work out a contract and since we drafted him we don’t have to worry about a team poaching him. So probably not until after trade deadline passes depending if we still trying to work out deals.
yeah but if you fuck with a player who wants a buyout now, you could deal with a scola situation

[Knoxxx]

BTW, to me the situation is very simple:

- Spurs knew before drafting Cissoko his contractual situation and that a two way contract wasn't an option.

- Spurs have already offered Cissoko a true NBA contract and the money to pay his buyout.

- The only reason why he hasn't signed it yet is the same why Tre Jones hasn't signed his contract. It would have taken some cap space.
Those sound like the same bread crumbs that would apply to Barlow's situation.

The notion that Barlow and the Spurs don't already have a deal lined up seems far fetched to me.

[Degoat]

So why hasn’t Sidy or Barlow been signed yet?

[Bruno]

Those sound like the same bread crumbs that would apply to Barlow's situation.

The notion that Barlow and the Spurs don't already have a deal lined up seems far fetched to me.

Barlow and Cissoko are in a quite different situation contractually wise. Maybe you're right and Barlow/Spurs have an agreement but maybe he is looking to get a better offer than what Spurs are currently offering.

Aside of these twos, there is another question: why Mamu still isn't officially signed?

[BacktoBasics]

Barlow and Cissoko are in a quite different situation contractually wise. Maybe you're right and Barlow/Spurs have an agreement but maybe he is looking to get a better offer than what Spurs are currently offering.

Aside of these twos, there is another question: why Mamu still isn't officially signed?

I would image these players aren’t signed so the team can maintain cap flexibility in the event that they are asked to be a third party for a bigger trade.

If these players have an agreement in place I don’t see any reason for them to not wait since the reputation of our club is extremely high when it comes to honoring their word.

[spurraider21]

I would image these players aren’t signed so the team can maintain cap flexibility in the event that they are asked to be a third party for a bigger trade.

If these players have an agreement in place I don’t see any reason for them to not wait since the reputation of our club is extremely high when it comes to honoring their word.
no flexibility left anyway. We’re about 1 mil below the cap pending mamus signing

[BacktoBasics]

no flexibility left anyway. We’re about 1 mil below the cap pending mamus signing

The minimum threshold not the cap.

[spurraider21]

The minimum threshold not the cap.
We are 1 mil below the cap. Well past the floor

[dbestpro]

If he belongs to Spain contractually why not let him play in Spain and develop some more while retaining his rights?

[Mr. Body]

If he belongs to Spain contractually why not let him play in Spain and develop some more while retaining his rights?

I'm guessing he doesn't want to do this. He didn't want to do it last year.

[sfernald]

I'm guessing he doesn't want to do this. He didn't want to do it last year.

Let's do a foreign exchange program then. We'll take Cissoko and we'll send Wesley to Spain! Problem solved and no spurs fans will complain then.

[JeffDuncan]

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Aside of these twos, there is another question: why Mamu still isn't officially signed?


Spotrac shows Mamu on a vet minimum contract now.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/sandro-mamukelashvili-74161/

[JPB]

Spotrac shows Mamu on a vet minimum contract now.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/sandro-mamukelashvili-74161/

He re-signed on July 1st for a one year, 2M contract.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675286228227203077

[spurraider21]

He re-signed on July 1st for a one year, 2M contract.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1675286228227203077
Agreed to it then. Hasn’t formally signed yet. Spurs haven’t announced the transaction

[rankingtear]

Barlow and Cissoko are in a quite different situation contractually wise. Maybe you're right and Barlow/Spurs have an agreement but maybe he is looking to get a better offer than what Spurs are currently offering.

Aside of these twos, there is another question: why Mamu still isn't officially signed?

The answer is Barlow wanting a Bassey type contract which they can only do if they renounce Mamu cap hold. Mamu and Sidy has minimum and second round exceptions that does not require cap space they should sign last. And room MLE only allows contract up to 2 years so they cant sign Barlow to that if they want more control.

[exstatic]

We are 1 mil below the cap. Well past the floor

Yup. Spurs wanted to hit that threshold early, and did with the Bullock trade.

[Bruno]

The answer is Barlow wanting a Bassey type contract which they can only do if they renounce Mamu cap hold. Mamu and Sidy has minimum and second round exceptions that does not require cap space they should sign last. And room MLE only allows contract up to 2 years so they cant sign Barlow to that if they want more control.

Room exception can now be used on a 3 years contract(s). If they try to sign Barlow to a 4 years contract, it could explain, as you said, the delay around Mamu's signing.

[JPB]

Agreed to it then. Hasn’t formally signed yet. Spurs haven’t announced the transaction

Correct, but as mentioned above certainly for flexibility. But he can be considered a spur for next year.

[CGD]

Wonder if the Barlow news unsticks some of these last fringe decisions on Mamu and Sidy?

[exstatic]

Wonder if the Barlow news unsticks some of these last fringe decisions on Mamu and Sidy?

Those two won't be signed until the roster is settled, either by cuts or a consolidation trade. At that point, they will know if they can use cap room or the room exception.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/paulgarcianba/status/1684587734109749248?s=46&t=SKDhLm4K8hOvTJ7uuvc_Ew

Bruno was right.

3 to cut( Graham or Payne/ bullock or osman and birch)

[emanueldavidginobili]

Sidy just signed a 3 year deal.

[exstatic]

Sidy just signed a 3 year deal.

Link or social media post?

[LeBowen]

Link or social media post?

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1684588348944310275

Interesting, I expected a two-way.

Twitter, or should I say X :spin embed isn't working, idk if it's on their side or spurstalk since both are bad atm.

[exstatic]

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1684588348944310275

Interesting, I expected a two-way.

It can’t be a two way, because there is a buyout required for his team in Spain, and two ways can’t use the buyout feature.

[LeBowen]

It can’t be a two way, because there is a buyout required for his team in Spain, and two ways can’t use the buyout feature.

Good point, I forgot about the buyout.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto/status/1684588348944310275

[Mr. Body]

Finished that business. Will trades be forthcoming or just cuts? Those would be some expensive cuts.

[Chinook]

Three year implies room exception.

[Dejounte]

Three players need to go

[exstatic]

Finished that business. Will trades be forthcoming or just cuts? Those would be some expensive cuts.

My guess is, sometime before training camp in September, either the Lillard or Harden trade will get done, and ending contracts will be needed. I wouldn't look for it for at least 5 weeks, though.

If we have to cut them, we'll cut them. It's not really expensive, since it's cap room we needed to fill anyway to get above the floor.

[rankingtear]

Three year implies room exception.
or second round exception.

[FutureMan]

Three players need to go

I just keep coming back to a trade/trades involving Conley, Simmons, & Fournier. Any other players you think the Spurs would/should go after?

[spurraider21]

barring no trades, id assume birch/payne/osman getting waived

[exstatic]

I just keep coming back to a trade/trades involving Conley, Simmons, & Fournier. Any other players you think the Spurs would/should go after?

Lowry.

Fournier is a no go. NY isn't going to pay us anything to take him, since he's an ending contract, and he has no further trade value. You can't play him ahead of the young wings, because they need dev time, so you won't get anything for him at the deadline. He's just a dead roster spot, keeping us from converting Barlow. Rather than trade for him, just cut the 3 players.

BKN thinks they can get positive value for Simmons, and aren't dumping him.

Conley would be OK, but I'm not sure Minnesota needs players like Miami does, and they too might be looking for positive value. If those objections become immaterial, then I'm OK with him

[spurraider21]

Lowry.

Fournier is a no go. NY isn't going to pay us anything to take him, since he's an ending contract, and he has no further trade value. You can't play him ahead of the young wings, because they need dev time, so you won't get anything for him at the deadline. He's just a dead roster spot, keeping us from converting Barlow. Rather than trade for him, just cut the 3 players.

BKN thinks they can get positive value for Simmons, and aren't dumping him.

Conley would be OK, but I'm not sure Minnesota needs players like Miami does, and they too might be looking for positive value. If those objections become immaterial, then I'm OK with him
i dont think brooklyn thinks that. i think they realize its going to cost them significant capital to get off his contract, and theyre not in a position as a team to be giving up the draft picks they do have from pheonix. theyre better off eating the contract than paying for it to go away

[exstatic]

barring no trades, id assume birch/payne/osman getting waived

I'd keep Payne and waive Bullock. Too many young wings that need PT, and Payne actually plays a position of need, and may fetch something at the deadline.

[Ariel]

Three players need to go
The first one is Birch, clearly. The question is, who are the other 2? I think a lot has to do with opportunity, maybe some team has a preference and a consolidation trade happens.
I'm not a fan of the idea of cutting Bullock or Payne outright, they've already shown they can be contributors to a contender and, if we showcase them a bit, they could be flipped by the trade deadline.

[rjv]

birch and osman. not sure about that third player. i think wesley deserves another year, but not at the expense of someone with greater potential or possible trade value.

[spurraider21]

I'd keep Payne and waive Bullock. Too many young wings that need PT, and Payne actually plays a position of need, and may fetch something at the deadline.
we already have graham in that backup role, and branham played a lot of point as a rookie too (not that it went particularly well). they might try some funky stuff with sochan to try to see what works with wemby.

but feels like theres always room for a 3 and D wing. even if bullock isnt coming off his best season

[Chinook]

or second round exception.

We don't know if the Spurs even got that for Cissoko. That exception could go up to four years though. According to Bruno, the room exception is only up to three.

[JR3]

I would be shocked if we get rid of enough players in a trade that actually brings back someone who can contribute on the court.

[Das Texan]

I assume that barring any trades to include contracts, you are looking at the following being waived to make roster limits

1. Birch
2. Bullock/Osman
3. Graham/Payne

Pretty clear cut and simple IMO.

[spurraider21]

I assume that barring any trades to include contracts, you are looking at the following being waived to make roster limits

1. Birch
2. Bullock/Osman
3. Graham/Payne

Pretty clear cut and simple IMO.
yeah. guess when deciding between 2 and 3, you ask yourself which one is more likely to have midseason trade value, and/or which one so we actually want on the team. i thought it seemed the team really took a liking to graham.

[exstatic]

I would be shocked if we get rid of enough players in a trade that actually brings back someone who can contribute on the court.

The only one I can really see as a possibility is Lowry. He fills a position of need, and will probably net something at the deadline, and Miami needs players on their roster.

[FutureMan]

i dont think brooklyn thinks that. i think they realize its going to cost them significant capital to get off his contract, and theyre not in a position as a team to be giving up the draft picks they do have from pheonix. theyre better off eating the contract than paying for it to go away

So I keep coming back to Simmons for a few reasons:

1. Spurs would be trading away expiring contracts which should be enticing to BKN. They would be able to chase a major player next year.
2. BKN lost Harris, Curry, Mills, & Watanabe so our role players could help that issue. They need to be good this year and not bank on Simmons since their pick is owed to Houston.
3. They have more picks available then just the PHX picks. They also have Philly’s from the Ben Simmons trade and a Dallas pick which would be amazing.
4. Spurs have so many players to give playing time to so honestly if Simmons doesn’t bounce back (as long as the picks make sense) it’s not the worst thing to happen.

[exstatic]

So I keep coming back to Simmons for a few reasons:

1. Spurs would be trading away expiring contracts which should be enticing to BKN. They would be able to chase a major player next year.
2. BKN lost Harris, Curry, Mills, & Watanabe so our role players could help that issue. They need to be good this year and not bank on Simmons since their pick is owed to Houston.
3. They have more picks available then just the PHX picks. They also have Philly’s from the Ben Simmons trade and a Dallas pick which would be amazing.
4. Spurs have so many players to give playing time to so honestly if Simmons doesn’t bounce back (as long as the picks make sense) it’s not the worst thing to happen.

Spurs are showing an aversion to trading for contracts beyond this season.

[Kevin]

If I was the Nets GM I'd offer one unprotected pick swap to get of the Simmons deal one year early but that's about it.

Next years free agent class is hard to predict. Lots of guys with player options for next year. Lebron, AD, Kawhi, Paul George, Jrue Holiday, Anunoby.

The UFA crop is kinda weak and old. Klay Thompson, Harden, Tobias Harris, Claxton, DDR, Siakim.

It hard to say how badly the Nets want to try the super team route again.

[spurraider21]

So I keep coming back to Simmons for a few reasons:

1. Spurs would be trading away expiring contracts which should be enticing to BKN. They would be able to chase a major player next year.
2. BKN lost Harris, Curry, Mills, & Watanabe so our role players could help that issue. They need to be good this year and not bank on Simmons since their pick is owed to Houston.
3. They have more picks available then just the PHX picks. They also have Philly’s from the Ben Simmons trade and a Dallas pick which would be amazing.
4. Spurs have so many players to give playing time to so honestly if Simmons doesn’t bounce back (as long as the picks make sense) it’s not the worst thing to happen.
i dont think the nets are going to be compelled to move the picks they have just to move off a contract. i dont think this is their window to compete without a legit star. bridges is emerging but i dont think they're pushing the chips in right now and giving up picks to do so

[DPG21920]

So if Mamu signs his deal that will be 4 players that need to be waived/traded right?

[jhfenton]

So if Mamu signs his deal that will be 4 players that need to be waived/traded right?

It's 3 with Mamu signed. It would have been 4 if Barlow had signed an NBA deal.

[TD 21]

Out of the candidates for a consolidation trade (save Birch, they're all too useful to buyout), from most to least in terms of likelihood to be on the team, I'd rank it as follows: McDermott, Graham, Osman, Bullock, Payne, Birch.



So I keep coming back to Simmons for a few reasons:

1. Spurs would be trading away expiring contracts which should be enticing to BKN. They would be able to chase a major player next year.
2. BKN lost Harris, Curry, Mills, & Watanabe so our role players could help that issue. They need to be good this year and not bank on Simmons since their pick is owed to Houston.
3. They have more picks available then just the PHX picks. They also have Philly’s from the Ben Simmons trade and a Dallas pick which would be amazing.
4. Spurs have so many players to give playing time to so honestly if Simmons doesn’t bounce back (as long as the picks make sense) it’s not the worst thing to happen.

Unless it's part of a trade where they acquire a core piece, I don't see the Nets (who supposedly plan to play Simmons at PG) paying to get off him at this point because there's no incentive to otherwise.

I don't see their depth or lack there of (though downgrades, Walker IV, Smith Jr. and Bazley were signed as back end rotation replacements) as an issue for a projected play-in type team.

[FutureMan]

Out of the candidates for a consolidation trade (save Birch, they're all too useful to buyout), from most to least in terms of likelihood to be on the team, I'd rank it as follows: McDermott, Graham, Osman, Bullock, Payne, Birch.




Unless it's part of a trade where they acquire a core piece, I don't see the Nets (who supposedly plan to play Simmons at PG) paying to get off him at this point because there's no incentive to otherwise.

I don't see their depth or lack there of (though downgrades, Walker IV, Smith Jr. and Bazley were signed as back end rotation replacements) as an issue for a projected play-in type team.

I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.

[TD 21]

I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.

But what would that accomplish for the Timberwolves? They're trying to win now and Conley is on an expiring contract as is.

He's a low end starter at this point, but still better than the clear backup options the Spurs could offer.

[exstatic]

I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.

I like Conley, but I'm not sure what Minny's roster situation is, if they can accept a lopsided trade, or if they want positive value in return.

[FutureMan]

But what would that accomplish for the Timberwolves? They're trying to win now and Conley is on an expiring contract as is.

He's a low end starter at this point, but still better than the clear backup options the Spurs could offer.

It just depends on how they value 2nd’s and younger guards.

[exstatic]

I can see both sides of the decision for sure.

Really the player I want is Conley. He has always been a “Spurs guy” to me and I’d love to have a better PG for Wemby. I’m thinking something like Graham, Payne, & Osman for Conley but who knows.

He's literally the only starting quality PG for Minny. Their backup is some 27 YO I never heard of who averaged 4p/3a.

[TD 21]

He's literally the only starting quality PG for Minny. Their backup is some 27 YO I never heard of who averaged 4p/3a.

McLaughlin. He's the only other true PG, but will probably be more of a deep bench player with the addition of Milton.

[JPB]

I like Conely too but not sure Minny traded for him last year only to lose him for a bunch of end of bench guys + a couple of seconds... They may find better offers from a contender at the trade deadline and as been said they're depleted at the PG spot.

[J_Paco]

Sidy signs a standard NBA deal and not a two-way. https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023/7/27/23810026/the-spurs-have-signed-sidy-cissoko-to-a-three-year-deal

I think that brings the roster count to 20 (when including the 2 two-deals for Barlow and Rice).

I don't think the team has made the re-signing of Mamu official, yet. That seems like one of the last dominoes to fall.

[spurraider21]

Sidy signs a standard NBA deal and not a two-way. I think that brings the roster count to 20 (when including the 2 two-deals for Barlow and Rice).

I don't think the team has made the re-signing of Mamu official, yet. That seems like one of the last dominoes to fall.
that was also just made official

[CGD]

barring no trades, id assume birch/payne/osman getting waived

Exactly. I don’t think it’s that hard to connect dots to Payne and Osman being the ones cut since the Spurs got some hard cash in the trades for each of those players. They’ll maybe try a consolidation trade, but I’m not holding my breath. Plus they’d have to cut a 4th player in that case, for example in a Lowry 3 for 1.

I also think they like Bullock the way Wright talked about him at summer league. He’s also the one of the recent acquisitions that has any potential value at the deadline.

[BacktoBasics]

There will likely be teams interested in Payne. He’s a nice backup.

[CGD]

There will likely be teams interested in Payne. He’s a nice backup.

Maybe, but not in a trade for value. Everyone knows spurs have to make 3 cuts, and that he’s likely one of those.

[exstatic]

Maybe, but not in a trade for value. Everyone knows spurs have to make 3 cuts, and that he’s likely one of those.

Yes, we have to make cuts, but if a team wants him, they’ll have to compete with 28 other teams for cut players.

[CGD]

^ I feel he could have been had for very little if someone really wanted him. It’s why PHX had to PAY to get off him.

[exstatic]

^ I feel he could have been had for very little if someone really wanted him. It’s why PHX had to PAY to get off him.

They paid to get off in because of the second apron. They HAD to trade him into cap space to clear cap for themselves
. We will not be so constrained. Players also have different values at the beginning of the season, and at the deadline. Contenders separate from the pack, and are looking for veteran playoff depth, and Cam has played in the Finals.

[Mr. Body]

None of the expiring players has been announced in any fashion, no press conference, no nothing, despite being in the fold for some time now. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but we'll see.

[CGD]

They paid to get off in because of the second apron. They HAD to trade him into cap space to clear cap for themselves
. We will not be so constrained. Players also have different values at the beginning of the season, and at the deadline. Contenders separate from the pack, and are looking for veteran playoff depth, and Cam has played in the Finals.

I think we ARE constrained when it comes to
him but just in a different way: the roster crunch. His path to the team just got even harder after todays news.

I’ll concede that it may well come down to who they think in October 2022 will have more value in February 2023 as between him and Bullock. In a league that values the 3/D archetype, I’m leaning Bullock right now.

[sfernald]

They paid to get off in because of the second apron. They HAD to trade him into cap space to clear cap for themselves
. We will not be so constrained. Players also have different values at the beginning of the season, and at the deadline. Contenders separate from the pack, and are looking for veteran playoff depth, and Cam has played in the Finals.

Keep cam who has finals experience and drop Wesley instead. We don’t have time to develop raw prospects any more. We need to support Wemby with the best players possible from this seasons starting game on and just keep swapping for even better players as we can.

[Mr. Body]

Keep cam who has finals experience and drop Wesley instead. We don’t have time to develop raw prospects any more. We need to support Wemby with the best players possible from this seasons starting game on and just keep swapping for even better players as we can.

We have I think ten players under 23. We have a lot of raw players.

I'm pretty sure the team won't be in the finals next year.

[sfernald]

We have I think ten players under 23. We have a lot of raw players.

I'm pretty sure the team won't be in the finals next year.

I’m saying best players should be put around Wemby. We don’t need to surround him with rooks and prospects. Just good nba players.

Most of our guys under 23 have also proven they are very good players, ie Keldon, Vassell, Sochan and even Branham. Those guys might be young but can contribute. I’m saying drop all the prospect type players and replace them with the best vets available as we go. So keep Bullock and Cam and drop guys like Wesley and Barlow. And then replace Bullock and Cam with someone better as soon as the trade becomes available. That’s what I hope they do.

My preference is that there is never anyone younger than Wemby on the team again. And every year they retool around what Wemby needs to field the best championship contender possible, starting this year (which I will admit we don’t quite know what he needs around him yet).

[Mr. Body]

I’m saying best players should be put around Wemby. We don’t need to surround him with rooks and prospects. Just good nba players.

Most of our guys under 23 have also proven they are very good players, ie Keldon, Vassell, Sochan and even Branham. Those guys might be young but can contribute. I’m saying drop all the prospect type players and replace them with the best vets available as we go. So keep Bullock and Cam and drop guys like Wesley and Barlow. And then replace Bullock and Cam with someone better as soon as the trade becomes available. That’s what I hope they do.

My preference is that there is never anyone younger than Wemby on the team again. And every year they retool around what Wemby needs to field the best championship contender possible, starting this year (which I will admit we don’t quite know what he needs around him yet).

No sense in cutting a developing player for a guy who won't be here by the end of the season. You're on the wrong timeline.

[sfernald]

No sense in cutting a developing player for a guy who won't be here by the end of the season. You're on the wrong timeline.

Let some other team that doesn't have the GOAT on their team develop him and we will get him later if he's any good. With Wemby age doesn't matter, get the absolute best players you can regardless of age. Why waste one year of him? He might be gone in just 8-9 years if we fuck this up. Look at how bad Portland fucked up with Lillard.

[scott]

None of the expiring players has been announced in any fashion, no press conference, no nothing, despite being in the fold for some time now. Doesn't necessarily mean anything, but we'll see.

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About as official of announcement as it gets these days.

[Mr. Body]

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About as official of announcement as it gets these days.

Thanks. They didn't even bother to photoshop Spurs gear on them.

[ismael-robert]

No intros from Brian. I agree on Wesley he needs to be downgraded to a 2way but letting Barlow go would be a huge mistake

[John B]

Wow all these talks about who Spurs are going to cut, and not about Cissoko signing. 3 years. Cidy really impressed and very well be Spurs target at 44.

[ambchang]

I’m saying best players should be put around Wemby. We don’t need to surround him with rooks and prospects. Just good nba players.

Most of our guys under 23 have also proven they are very good players, ie Keldon, Vassell, Sochan and even Branham. Those guys might be young but can contribute. I’m saying drop all the prospect type players and replace them with the best vets available as we go. So keep Bullock and Cam and drop guys like Wesley and Barlow. And then replace Bullock and Cam with someone better as soon as the trade becomes available. That’s what I hope they do.

My preference is that there is never anyone younger than Wemby on the team again. And every year they retool around what Wemby needs to field the best championship contender possible, starting this year (which I will admit we don’t quite know what he needs around him yet).

So your plan is to get rid of players that have potential and have vets that are of marginal improvements, then upgrade on those vets? How do you upgrade? Bullock and Cam just got traded for pretty much negative value to the spurs. The spurs will trade them for better players?

[exstatic]

I’m saying best players should be put around Wemby. We don’t need to surround him with rooks and prospects. Just good nba players.

Most of our guys under 23 have also proven they are very good players, ie Keldon, Vassell, Sochan and even Branham. Those guys might be young but can contribute. I’m saying drop all the prospect type players and replace them with the best vets available as we go. So keep Bullock and Cam and drop guys like Wesley and Barlow. And then replace Bullock and Cam with someone better as soon as the trade becomes available. That’s what I hope they do.

My preference is that there is never anyone younger than Wemby on the team again. And every year they retool around what Wemby needs to field the best championship contender possible, starting this year (which I will admit we don’t quite know what he needs around him yet).

So, just give away all of our draft picks then? Because each and every one will be younger than Wemby.

[spurraider21]

I’m saying best players should be put around Wemby. We don’t need to surround him with rooks and prospects. Just good nba players.

Most of our guys under 23 have also proven they are very good players, ie Keldon, Vassell, Sochan and even Branham. Those guys might be young but can contribute. I’m saying drop all the prospect type players and replace them with the best vets available as we go. So keep Bullock and Cam and drop guys like Wesley and Barlow. And then replace Bullock and Cam with someone better as soon as the trade becomes available. That’s what I hope they do.

My preference is that there is never anyone younger than Wemby on the team again. And every year they retool around what Wemby needs to field the best championship contender possible, starting this year (which I will admit we don’t quite know what he needs around him yet).
I’m really glad the spurs didn’t do this with Duncan

[koriwhat]

I’m really glad the spurs didn’t do this with Duncan

True but Duncan initially stepped into a situation with vets first then came our picks that turned into HOF's. I like our core rn and they can grow with Wemby while plugging in pieces yr after yr whether vets or draftees.

[sfernald]

So, just give away all of our draft picks then? Because each and every one will be younger than Wemby.

Not give them away. But rather use them preciously along with our other tricks (cap space, expiring, etc) to acquire underrated vets we can surround around Wemby.

[sfernald]

So your plan is to get rid of players that have potential and have vets that are of marginal improvements, then upgrade on those vets? How do you upgrade? Bullock and Cam just got traded for pretty much negative value to the spurs. The spurs will trade them for better players?

Upgrade on the vets with the picks used preciously, use of cap space and just generally getting on the better side of the deal. When a great vet comes up at an under market price they need to jump on it if they think he’ll work well with Wemby.

[exstatic]

not give them away. But rather use them preciously along with our other off season tricks to acquire underrated vets we can surround around Wemby.

Young players on rookie contracts are cheap, and they are under control for 5 years, and usually effective after 1 year. That's why everyone, except you, wants them. You can put a better team together with young players than with vets, basically because you can pay 3 FRPs with the mid level exception, but one vet will take that entire amount.

[sfernald]

Young players on rookie contracts are cheap, and they are under control for 5 years, and usually effective after 1 year. That's why everyone, except you, wants them. You can put a better team together with young players than with vets, basically because you can pay 3 FRPs with the mid level exception, but one vet will take that entire amount.

Better to do what Phoenix just did and get actual nba rotation players for vet min. Let other teams be the development teams for the league. Everyone will want to play with Wemby and a shot to be under the bright lights! Spurs + Pop + Wemby will be like Jordan Bulls or LeBron lakers in terms of desirability of team.

[exstatic]

Better to do what Phoenix just did and get actual nba rotation players for vet min. Let other teams be the development teams for the league. Everyone will want to play with Wemby and a shot to be under the bright lights! Spurs + Pop + Wemby will be like Jordan Bulls or LeBron lakers in terms of desirability of team.

1) Have you seen Phoenix's payroll?
2) No one comes here. In Tim's whole HOF career of 19 years, we got one major FA, LaMarcus Aldridge, and he was unhappy. DeMar Derozan was a multi All NBA and Multi All Star before he was traded here. He was neither in 3 seasons here, in spite of putting up some pretty great numbers. In two years in chicago, he has 2 more AS berths and another All NBA team. Players notice this kind of shit. SA is where notoriety goes to die.

[ambchang]

Upgrade on the vets with the picks used preciously, use of cap space and just generally getting on the better side of the deal. When a great vet comes up at an under market price they need to jump on it if they think he’ll work well with Wemby.

Like how the Knicks do it?

EDIT: You actually like how Phoenix does it? Phoenix is millions over the cap with little to show for it, and their future is entirely mortgaged. When the new cap rules came in, Phoenix was the first people people think because of how messed up their situation is.

[sfernald]

Like how the Knicks do it?

EDIT: You actually like how Phoenix does it? Phoenix is millions over the cap with little to show for it, and their future is entirely mortgaged. When the new cap rules came in, Phoenix was the first people people think because of how messed up their situation is.

I like the way Phoenix managed to get a decent bench with nothing but minimums. I don't like the idea of wasting our whole cap on three stars. I like the idea of surrounding Wemby with the best role players possible that fit him and then filling the rest with the best rotation players available as cheaply as possible. I actually think players like Bullock or Osman or Payne may in fact be great fits around him and play much better with him than Branham or Wesley.

[sfernald]

1) Have you seen Phoenix's payroll?
2) No one comes here. In Tim's whole HOF career of 19 years, we got one major FA, LaMarcus Aldridge, and he was unhappy. DeMar Derozan was a multi All NBA and Multi All Star before he was traded here. He was neither in 3 seasons here, in spite of putting up some pretty great numbers. In two years in chicago, he has 2 more AS berths and another All NBA team. Players notice this kind of shit. SA is where notoriety goes to die.

1. Sure, I hate their payroll and the idea of using all our cap on three players. I would rather see a balanced team built around Wemby.

2. We need to change that, change the perception. Make SA cool again.. MSAGA!@ Wemby might be able to do it!

[exstatic]

I like the way Phoenix managed to get a decent bench with nothing but minimums. I don't like the idea of wasting our whole cap on three stars. I like the idea of surrounding Wemby with the best role players possible that fit him and then filling the rest with the best rotation players available as cheaply as possible. I actually think players like Bullock or Osman or Payne may in fact be great fits around him and play much better with him than Branham or Wesley.

Cleveland did what you propose when LeBron was drafted, surrounded him with vets. They won nothing. When he came back, he was surrounded by young players from their rebuild, never really expecting him to return, and they won a title and made several finals appearances.

[sfernald]

Cleveland did what you propose when LeBron was drafted, surrounded him with vets. They won nothing. When he came back, he was surrounded by young players from their rebuild, never really expecting him to return, and they won a title and made several finals appearances.

are you joking? What raw prospects were on that team? That was the year they traded Wiggins (the first pick in the draft) for Kevin love cause they thought he was too raw! That’s a crazy example to pick..

[exstatic]

are you joking? What raw prospects were on that team? That was the year they traded Wiggins (the first pick in the draft) for Kevin love cause they thought he was too raw! That’s a crazy example to pick..

Kyrie, Joe Harris, Dellavadova, Mozgov, Shumpert, Tristan Thompson. I never said raw prospects, I said young players.

They traded Wiggins because LeBron told them to. It wasn't because of an aversion to development. LeBron wanted KLove, and he got him.

[Mr. Body]

I'm glad the FO is more measured than that crazed, fanciful ideas that the fanbase often originates.

[ambchang]

I like the way Phoenix managed to get a decent bench with nothing but minimums. I don't like the idea of wasting our whole cap on three stars. I like the idea of surrounding Wemby with the best role players possible that fit him and then filling the rest with the best rotation players available as cheaply as possible. I actually think players like Bullock or Osman or Payne may in fact be great fits around him and play much better with him than Branham or Wesley.

I guess this is something we just have to agree to disagree. I am concerned about the progress of Wesley, but Branham has shown great promise. Bullock is over his prime, which was never that high to begin with. Osman is average on offence and pretty bad defensively. I really like Payne but he is another Tre Jones, I just can't see how those three can be better fits than Branham, and none of them has the upside of Branham, either. These players can be have for 2nd round picks (which the Spurs have buckets of) at any time, so I don't see a reason to dump players with potential for them at this moment. If Branham or Wesley doesn't pan out, we can then dump them and trade for similar players at any time. At this point, both of them seem to have some type of progress.

[bluebellmaniac]

What we need is the return to The Beautiful Game. I think we are headed that way and we are trying to do it with height. Best way to implement that is to grow it in-house with new players who are selfless and are "over themselves".

It's harder to do with vets and if we have laser focus on it, we will be the next dynasty. But dynasties are built, not lucked into.

That's what I think the long term vision for the team is focused upon.

[sfernald]

I guess this is something we just have to agree to disagree. I am concerned about the progress of Wesley, but Branham has shown great promise. Bullock is over his prime, which was never that high to begin with. Osman is average on offence and pretty bad defensively. I really like Payne but he is another Tre Jones, I just can't see how those three can be better fits than Branham, and none of them has the upside of Branham, either. These players can be have for 2nd round picks (which the Spurs have buckets of) at any time, so I don't see a reason to dump players with potential for them at this moment. If Branham or Wesley doesn't pan out, we can then dump them and trade for similar players at any time. At this point, both of them seem to have some type of progress.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying get rid of high quality players like Branham. I would suggest maybe not draft any more development project and try to draft players like Jalen Williams who are not only ready to help but practically all stars out of the gate. I guess I think Spurs need to stop going for these really young really raw prospects like Wesley and Primo most of all and in general I prefer the known to the unknown. Did you know Cam just scored 30 in the playoffs against Denver just this year? That sounds like an infinitely more useful player to me than Wesley to be honest. There’s probably a 90% chance he never scores 30 points in a playoff game his entire life. And a guy like bullock could easily have a bounce back year with 40%+ three point shooting. He just turned 32. That’s actually in the prime not over it. People are so age-ist against basketball players. It’s at the point where you are over the hill after 25 which is ridiculous.

[exstatic]

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying get rid of high quality players like Branham. I would suggest maybe not draft any more development project and try to draft players like Jalen Williams who are not only ready to help but practically all stars out of the gate. I guess I think Spurs need to stop going for these really young really raw prospects like Wesley and Primo most of all and in general I prefer the known to the unknown. Did you know Cam just scored 30 in the playoffs against Denver just this year? That sounds like an infinitely more useful player to me than Wesley to be honest. There’s probably a 90% chance he never scores 30 points in a playoff game his entire life. And a guy like bullock could easily have a bounce back year with 40%+ three point shooting. He just turned 32. That’s actually in the prime not over it. People are so age-ist against basketball players. It’s at the point where you are over the hill after 25 which is ridiculous.

Athletic prime is 27. You lose physical ability and athleticism from that point.

[Seventyniner]

Athletic prime is 27. You lose physical ability and athleticism from that point.

iirc the average player's prime is around 29 or 30 because the two extra years of experience more than offsets the slight loss in athleticism. 32 is definitely on the downslope though.

[sfernald]

iirc the average player's prime is around 29 or 30 because the two extra years of experience more than offsets the slight loss in athleticism. 32 is definitely on the downslope though.

But it also depends on the specific player and his role. Some players peek at different rates and if you are just a three point shooter like bullock you can manage a longer prime than a player dependent on his athletic gifts. Also miles on the tread is a real thing.

I would say of the players we have recently acquired, maybe cam is the most dependent on his athleticism, and you know he is 28, probably right at the peek of his prime actually. Cedi Osman is 28 too incidentally.

The funny thing is that all of these expiring guys that Spurs picked up have quite a bit of playoff experience. So we are talking about nba players in their prime range with lots of playoff experience. Sounds like exactly who you want to put around your future GOAT.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Keep cam who has finals experience and drop Wesley instead. We don’t have time to develop raw prospects any more. We need to support Wemby with the best players possible from this seasons starting game on and just keep swapping for even better players as we can.

I could see cutting Wesley and then signing him to a 2 way because it’s almost a given no one will pick him up.

[Mr. Body]

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying get rid of high quality players like Branham. I would suggest maybe not draft any more development project and try to draft players like Jalen Williams who are not only ready to help but practically all stars out of the gate. I guess I think Spurs need to stop going for these really young really raw prospects like Wesley and Primo most of all and in general I prefer the known to the unknown. Did you know Cam just scored 30 in the playoffs against Denver just this year? That sounds like an infinitely more useful player to me than Wesley to be honest. There’s probably a 90% chance he never scores 30 points in a playoff game his entire life. And a guy like bullock could easily have a bounce back year with 40%+ three point shooting. He just turned 32. That’s actually in the prime not over it. People are so age-ist against basketball players. It’s at the point where you are over the hill after 25 which is ridiculous.

The Spurs should only draft instant All Stars. Got it. Why didn't they think of this before?

[Knoxxx]

The Spurs should only draft instant All Stars. Got it. Why didn't they think of this before?

:rollin

[sfernald]

The Spurs should only draft instant All Stars. Got it. Why didn't they think of this before?

You know what I’m saying. Don’t draft obviously raw teenagers any more. No Primo. No Wesley. No Dieng. Etc… draft guys that look like they can help immediately.

Kris Murray over GG Jackson for example.

[sfernald]

The Spurs should only draft instant All Stars. Got it. Why didn't they think of this before?

That would be really nice, or probably more realistically, trade those picks for sure things, nba vets. Put enough of them together and maybe get actual all stars even.

[BackHome]

Nope this team is going to win or loose based on there homegrown talent ie. Draft

[Ariel]

The Spurs should only draft instant All Stars. Got it. Why didn't they think of this before?
You're just bitter you didn't think of it first.

[BackHome]

So should Sidy stay in the G League most of his first year?

[jjspur]

You know what I’m saying. Don’t draft obviously raw teenagers any more. No Primo. No Wesley. No Dieng. Etc… draft guys that look like they can help immediately.

Kris Murray over GG Jackson for example.

I hear you. Try not to draft guys who have "potential" more than skill, but are sometimes 2 years away from being two years away. Spurs did that with Luka who's on like his fourth team. Potential is a powerful lure to NBA teams but sometimes it just doesn't pan out for what ever reason. Some teams learn that lesson, some don't.

[buttsR4rebounding]

So should Sidy stay in the G League most of his first year?

That would seem to be a sound strategy. He needs to be getting up at least 500 shots a day and tightening up his handles. At this point I would say he is a long shot to ever play a significant role if he could become an average shooter he could be a nice rotation piece.

[Dejounte]

Disagree. There is definitely a pathway for Sidy to become a rotation player sooner than later. The coaches were raving about him during summer league and he has shown a lot more than someone like KBD in all the three years he was here. Sidy’s floor is KBD, IMO. And by floor, I don’t really mean they are similar in any way. I mean production-wise.

[Mr. Body]

You know what I’m saying. Don’t draft obviously raw teenagers any more. No Primo. No Wesley. No Dieng. Etc… draft guys that look like they can help immediately.

Kris Murray over GG Jackson for example.

This is just pure idiocy. It's hard to even comprehend how you process what the draft is, what these players are, or why. The Spurs drafted two players at 20 and 25 last year. One might become an incredible scorer, the other may never pan out. You want to draft neither of them.

It's just some of the stupidest shit, I've got to admit. You're like, "Hey, let's not use that #25 pick at all." Let's not draft Tony Parker. Let's not draft Keldon Johnson. Let's only draft #1 picks.

Jesus.

[Extra Stout]

You know what I’m saying. Don’t draft obviously raw teenagers any more. No Primo. No Wesley. No Dieng. Etc… draft guys that look like they can help immediately.

Kris Murray over GG Jackson for example.
There is a place for drafting high-floor, low-ceiling players. But you won’t score many runs if you can only hit singles.

[BackHome]

Disagree. There is definitely a pathway for Sidy to become a rotation player sooner than later. The coaches were raving about him during summer league and he has shown a lot more than someone like KBD in all the three years he was here. Sidy’s floor is KBD, IMO. And by floor, I don’t really mean they are similar in any way. I mean production-wise.

I am not to sure on this I think he really needs another year in the G League as he is the youngest Spurs player that should not be a issue. He has a lot to work on and think he will be the main focus on that team meaning they are going to force him outside of his comfort zone and be more aggressive on the offensive side of the ball. With his last team he definitely took a back seat to Scoot Henderson, and Leonard Miller, which is good for team ball but not necessarily for his growth.

[ChumpDumper]

Sidy will be with the mothership to start the season so they and we will know pretty quickly how/if he fits in with the team. I imagine he'll get some early playing time in the experiment phase then join the Toros when they start camp to develop whatever the staff saw when he worked with the main squad. As stated it's going to be pretty nice for him to be a focus of development in the G-League instead of a supporting player.

[Mr. Body]

There's room in the league for players who can't score. I mean, this board is inundated with requests to get Ben Simmons all the time.

[Dejounte]

I am not to sure on this I think he really needs another year in the G League as he is the youngest Spurs player that should not be a issue. He has a lot to work on and think he will be the main focus on that team meaning they are going to force him outside of his comfort zone and be more aggressive on the offensive side of the ball. With his last team he definitely took a back seat to Scoot Henderson, and Leonard Miller, which is good for team ball but not necessarily for his growth.

I was responding to the “he won’t ever play a significant role on the team”. He will for sure spend time in the Gleague. I don’t disagree that he has a lot to work on. My point is that he has attributes that players in the past who did make the team, like KBD, didn’t have.

[John B]

The Spurs signing him on a 3 years, very early at this stage of his career, is a great sign they saw something real good on Sidy. I’m confident Sidy was the target at 44 and not Rupert. As I said I trust the Spurs scouting than anybody on this board.

Boris Diaw. Him coming to the Spurs opened a lot to Pop. If I may, the Beautiful Game would have not been possible without Boris. Looking at prospects, I can’t help to say Pop is always looking for a Diaw on a big man, someone who has great bball IQ, can push and facilitate, secondary passes. Mamu, Sidy both have the potential. Bassey also.

[ceperez]

The Spurs signing him on a 3 years, very early at this stage of his career, is a great sign they saw something real good on Sidy. I’m confident Sidy was the target at 44 and not Rupert. As I said I trust the Spurs scouting than anybody on this board.

Boris Diaw. Him coming to the Spurs opened a lot to Pop. If I may, the Beautiful Game would have not been possible without Boris. Looking at prospects, I can’t help to say Pop is always looking for a Diaw on a big man, someone who has great bball IQ, can push and facilitate, secondary passes. Mamu, Sidy both have the potential. Bassey also.

Huge guard that can bulldoze his way to a two-man game with Wemby.

It could be unguardable!

[spurraider21]

There's room in the league for players who can't score. I mean, this board is inundated with requests to get Ben Simmons all the time.
Not being able to shoot is mitigated when you are the primary on-ball guy.

[talkspurs]

There's room in the league for players who can't score. I mean, this board is inundated with requests to get Ben Simmons all the time.

Most of the post on him recently have been about the assets that come with him. it is not for him.

[Mr. Body]

Most of the post on him recently have been about the assets that come with him. it is not for him.

Ehhh. A lot of people think he can 'turn it around' somehow.

[talkspurs]

Ehhh. A lot of people think he can 'turn it around' somehow.

I dont think I have seen many that have wanted just him. I have seen the assets and then if he turns it around even better but they realize that he would still be overpaid and the trade would mostly be for the assets.

[spurraider21]

Ehhh. A lot of people think he can 'turn it around' somehow.
Think the consensus right now is Brooklyn would have to pay to get rid of him. Does anybody here really think we should be paying Brooklyn for simmons?

[Maddog]

Disagree. There is definitely a pathway for Sidy to become a rotation player sooner than later. The coaches were raving about him during summer league and he has shown a lot more than someone like KBD in all the three years he was here. Sidy’s floor is KBD, IMO. And by floor, I don’t really mean they are similar in any way. I mean production-wise.

Hmmm
I'm agreeing to your disagreeing
When I watched the draft unfold, I sort of thought after they unloaded the earlier 2nd round pick they just sort of drafted someone to draft someone. While that maybe true to some extent- He's really surprised me. He's got skills that make him readily playable-feel for the game/ball handling/passing, effort on defense. Definitely has flaws (Brick and foul machine) if he didn't he'd have gone earlier. however fouls got better through summer league.

[tesseractive]

We have a ton of young guys who are more developed and who need NBA minutes right now. I'd rather keep Sidy mostly in Austin where he'll be featured and able to work every night on his shot as well as on refining his defense and reducing his number of fouls. If we have injuries and need someone, then we can call him up and see how he does on the Spurs. I love his potential, but he should have some time to develop.

[Knoxxx]

I really like how strong Cissoko is. How about a Boris Diaw comparison?

So he seems like he should be our third 2-way player, but someone posted (the rumor?) that he was getting a regular contract or has this been substantiated?

[spurraider21]

I really like how strong Cissoko is. How about a Boris Diaw comparison?

So he seems like he should be our third 2-way player, but someone posted (the rumor?) that he was getting a regular contract or has this been substantiated?
he already signed a 3 year nba contract

[rjv]

I really like how strong Cissoko is. How about a Boris Diaw comparison?

So he seems like he should be our third 2-way player, but someone posted (the rumor?) that he was getting a regular contract or has this been substantiated?

when watching cissoko in the summer league, he certainly demonstrated the sort of playmaking boris had. i hope he can eventually develop enough offensively to find a way into the rotation because he does appear to have a nice feel for the game.

[spurraider21]

i dont know that cissoko showed diaw's playmaking so much as he flashed some of that natural passing ability.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I really like how strong Cissoko is. How about a Boris Diaw comparison?

So he seems like he should be our third 2-way player, but someone posted (the rumor?) that he was getting a regular contract or has this been substantiated?

3 year $5.23MM. Basically nothing by today's contract standards. I like him and think there's a ton of upside with this kid. Needs to cure his shooting woes and he could be a steal.

[Chinook]

I don't think Cissoko looks anything like Diaw. Folks need to update their archetypes if they think being 6-8ish with passing is a particularly rare combination nowadays. The Spurs have three such players FFS.

[rjv]

I don't think Cissoko looks anything like Diaw. Folks need to update their archetypes if they think being 6-8ish with passing is a particularly rare combination nowadays. The Spurs have three such players FFS.

while writing my post, i thought there are going to be some posters on this site that are going to equate "demonstrated the sort of playmaking (in summer league)" of diaw as an equivalency. but rather than spend any more time carefully constructing my subjective observation in such a way so as not to allow such an inference i thought "who the fuck cares?" and here i am now spending more time than i would have had i just followed my initial instinct. even though i still don't care any more than i consider 6'8" basketball players to be rarities.

[Knoxxx]

He’s clearly a Diaw 2.0.

[Chinook]

He's basically nothing like Diaw. Boris was a fantastic offensive player who handicapped himself with streaks of passivity. Cissoko is borderline unplayable due to his offense right now. Boris, even when he was lean, always played like a big man. Cissoko plays like a perimeter player. Boris was a meticulous play-maker. Cissoko is more of a heads-up ball-mover who understands passing angles. They're basically night-and-day besides both being French and being able to pass better. Boris played far more like a smaller (and less talented) but more athletic Jokic than he did someone that Cissoko is likely to emulate.

[Seventyniner]

At this point I see a lot more Bogans/Udoka/centerpiece in Sidy than Diaw.

Sidy has room to grow beyond the centerpiece role, of course.

[Knoxxx]

He's basically nothing like Diaw. Boris was a fantastic offensive player who handicapped himself with streaks of passivity. Cissoko is borderline unplayable due to his offense right now. Boris, even when he was lean, always played like a big man. Cissoko plays like a perimeter player. Boris was a meticulous play-maker. Cissoko is more of a heads-up ball-mover who understands passing angles. They're basically night-and-day besides both being French and being able to pass better. Boris played far more like a smaller (and less talented) but more athletic Jokic than he did someone that Cissoko is likely to emulate.

Interesting takes but the comparison was superficial which I thought was obvious. Unplayable? I missed where anyone said he’d be getting minutes other than garbage time.

[Chinook]

Interesting takes but the comparison was superficial which I thought was obvious.

You weren't the only person making the comparison, so I wasn't targeting you. I actually thought your post was tongue-in-cheek. There are quite a few posters here and elsewhere who do seem to think the comparison is more apt than you do. I would love for them to end up being right, but I don't think even a Cissoko that works out would look anything like Boris.


Unplayable? I missed where anyone said he’d be getting minutes other than garbage time.

Actually there are takes in this thread suggesting he might get a rotation spot. But I'm trying to call out that kind of take. I'm saying that Boris was an extremely well-rounded offensive player -- even as a rookie. He wasn't just a tall guy who could pass. He was great at leveraging his opponents to create an advantage that he could use to score or pass. Cissoko's offensive game outside of transition is not there at all. It's weird but the "defensive forward who can't shoot but can pass for some reason" archetype has become fairly common recently. Diaw would still be unique in today's game; Cissoko is not.

[tesseractive]

He's basically nothing like Diaw. Boris was a fantastic offensive player who handicapped himself with streaks of passivity. Cissoko is borderline unplayable due to his offense right now. Boris, even when he was lean, always played like a big man. Cissoko plays like a perimeter player. Boris was a meticulous play-maker. Cissoko is more of a heads-up ball-mover who understands passing angles. They're basically night-and-day besides both being French and being able to pass better. Boris played far more like a smaller (and less talented) but more athletic Jokic than he did someone that Cissoko is likely to emulate.

I mean, all of this is dead on. But Spurs fans as much as anyone in the league feel the joy of having guys who can really see the floor and use less-obvious passing angles to their advantage. He made some clever passes in summer league. When you can put guys like that on the floor beyond just the point guard, it opens up some great options.

But yeah, he has to develop his offensive game before any of that matters.

[rjv]

Interesting takes but the comparison was superficial which I thought was obvious. Unplayable? I missed where anyone said he’d be getting minutes other than garbage time.

i thought that was rather obvious, too.

[sfernald]

I mean, all of this is dead on. But Spurs fans as much as anyone in the league feel the joy of having guys who can really see the floor and use less-obvious passing angles to their advantage. He made some clever passes in summer league. When you can put guys like that on the floor beyond just the point guard, it opens up some great options.

But yeah, he has to develop his offensive game before any of that matters.
There was this guy in the 80s who was 6'8" and could pass but couldn't shoot worth shit. And he played point guard with a little success, something called Showtime.

[exstatic]

There was this guy in the 80s who was 6'8" and could pass but couldn't shoot worth shit. And he played point guard with a little success, something called Showtime.

You’re one of the “fall behinds” who hasn’t processed how the game has changed. Comparing todays game to 40 years ago isn’t rational or smart.

[sfernald]

You’re one of the “fall behinds” who hasn’t processed how the game has changed. Comparing todays game to 40 years ago isn’t rational or smart.

So you are one of "those guys" who thinks Magic would struggle in today's nba LOL.

[tesseractive]

There was this guy in the 80s who was 6'8" and could pass but couldn't shoot worth shit. And he played point guard with a little success, something called Showtime.

So exactly how many guys are you saying we should put on the court that can't spread the floor? Wemby can't do it consistently yet. Sochan can't. Tre Jones can't. So is this #4 for you?

And dude, Sidy has a ton of potential, but no one (except you, apparently) is going to get him confused with Magic.

[J_Paco]

He's basically nothing like Diaw. Boris was a fantastic offensive player who handicapped himself with streaks of passivity. Cissoko is borderline unplayable due to his offense right now. Boris, even when he was lean, always played like a big man. Cissoko plays like a perimeter player. Boris was a meticulous play-maker. Cissoko is more of a heads-up ball-mover who understands passing angles. They're basically night-and-day besides both being French and being able to pass better. Boris played far more like a smaller (and less talented) but more athletic Jokic than he did someone that Cissoko is likely to emulate.

I was watching a 'Thinking Basketball' video on YouTube about Reggie Miller. Well, the narrator (Ben Taylor, the best NBA YouTuber/Blogger/Podcaster by a country mile) shortly spoke about Derrick McKey.

I had forgotten how good of a "heads up" passer (to steal your phrase) and general playmaker McKey was for Indiana. I immediately thought of Sidy and that he could conceivably fit a similar archetype for the Spurs.

Obviously, this isn't the 90's /early 2000's, so you can't play off of only defense and some playmaking. Yet, I definitely see the vision of drafting him especially if he can get his fouling under check and becomes a "stopper" on defense.

On offense I think all he needs is a 'pet move' (think Bruce Brown and his floater game) and a reliable perimeter shot to see rotation minutes. Basically, help be a pressure release valve like Brown learned how to do in Brooklyn and to an even better degree in Denver.

[sfernald]

So exactly how many guys are you saying we should put on the court that can't spread the floor? Wemby can't do it consistently yet. Sochan can't. Tre Jones can't. So is this #4 for you?

And dude, Sidy has a ton of potential, but no one (except you, apparently) is going to get him confused with Magic.

No, I agree I was just saying that archetype of player can work. There’s so many people on this board that only see absolutes and exclaim their opinion like it is the only obvious truth when it absolutely is not that it gets pretty annoying around here. There’s several dudes on here that absolutely have to win every argument on here and will revert to calling names such as idiot inevitably (you know who you are).

Anyways, no actually I think Wemby is probably best surrounded by vet three point shooters. Luckily we picked up a few of those in trade such as Payne, Bullock and Osman. Throw Doug out there too. Ideally I would like Wemby out there with four other 40%+ three point shooters who are also excellent defenders. Hopefully that is where they are headed with all these trades and player movement. I love Sochan and I like Sidy (don’t care about the others) but these guys are going to need to learn to shoot if we want to have a chance against the big boys! I like their defense already so at least they have a chance.

[Knoxxx]

i thought that was rather obvious, too.

No worries/hard feelings. He cleared it up but quoting me as a catch all to reply to was confusing at best.

Sidy is obviously raw but I think we mostly all like his passing skills shown to date and his attacking mentality. Subject to not committing a foul a minute of course…

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1686832609353981952

[spurraider21]

1686865437613522945

any particular reason why they would want to use cap space and not the second round exception? any benefits to doing so?

[Chinook]

1686865437613522945

any particular reason why they would want to use cap space and not the second round exception? any benefits to doing so?

I don't know if the Spurs even had that exception available. If it doesn't create a solid hold like first-rounders do, it might've gone away as soon as it showed up.

[rankingtear]

1686865437613522945

any particular reason why they would want to use cap space and not the second round exception? any benefits to doing so?
The third year of the new exception has to be a team option instead of non guaranteed.

[ambchang]

So you are one of "those guys" who thinks Magic would struggle in today's nba LOL.

Honestly, I don’t think magic would be close to as good in todays nba as he was in the 80s. He’d likely still be a good player, even all star, but he’d not be a top 10 player ever with todays rules. He won’t be able to park his butt in the paint and wait for cutters as the new rules will not allow him to do so. He’d be crowded with two or three guys his height so he can’t see over them. He’d be left wide opened out in the three point line. He wouldn’t be able to run the fast breaks because teams defend fast breaks much better.

He will still have exceptional vision and he’d likely be a better shooter because the game demands it. But I’d doubt he would be a top ten player of all time because you can’t win five championships and make nine finals building around a player like that, let alone the cap wont allow a team to have magic, Kareem, worthy and a deep lineup like the lakers did. And magic is my favourite non spurs player of all time.

Besides, I’m not sure sidy will ever even be a homeless man’s magic.

[sfernald]

Honestly, I don’t think magic would be close to as good in todays nba as he was in the 80s. He’d likely still be a good player, even all star, but he’d not be a top 10 player ever with todays rules. He won’t be able to park his butt in the paint and wait for cutters as the new rules will not allow him to do so. He’d be crowded with two or three guys his height so he can’t see over them. He’d be left wide opened out in the three point line. He wouldn’t be able to run the fast breaks because teams defend fast breaks much better.

He will still have exceptional vision and he’d likely be a better shooter because the game demands it. But I’d doubt he would be a top ten player of all time because you can’t win five championships and make nine finals building around a player like that, let alone the cap wont allow a team to have magic, Kareem, worthy and a deep lineup like the lakers did. And magic is my favourite non spurs player of all time.

Besides, I’m not sure sidy will ever even be a homeless man’s magic.

lol, I get it it’s been a while. You need to go back and refresh your memory a bit.

https://youtu.be/prvjNFHSOj0

To this day there’s been nobody like Magic.

[GAustex]

Magic’s ability to get where he wanted easily was his biggest benefit and ultimately his downfall…

[NickiRasgo]

Honestly, I don’t think magic would be close to as good in todays nba as he was in the 80s. He’d likely still be a good player, even all star, but he’d not be a top 10 player ever with todays rules. He won’t be able to park his butt in the paint and wait for cutters as the new rules will not allow him to do so. He’d be crowded with two or three guys his height so he can’t see over them. He’d be left wide opened out in the three point line. He wouldn’t be able to run the fast breaks because teams defend fast breaks much better.

He will still have exceptional vision and he’d likely be a better shooter because the game demands it. But I’d doubt he would be a top ten player of all time because you can’t win five championships and make nine finals building around a player like that, let alone the cap wont allow a team to have magic, Kareem, worthy and a deep lineup like the lakers did. And magic is my favourite non spurs player of all time.

Besides, I’m not sure sidy will ever even be a homeless man’s magic.

If we going to put player's game back then in today's NBA, we have to put in account that those player can adapt in today's game esp. with those attitude and mentally.
Obviously back then, they're slow and stiff but doesn't mean that if they're in today's NBA is that they won't be able to adapt so basically it's like similar to inflated rate when it comes to money.
Maybe an example is Brook Lopez who came to the league not a 3PT shooter but worked on his game when the NBA is starting to change due to Curry's effect and he's now considered one of the best 3PT shooter big man in the current league.
Players now are really good when it comes to skill (especially offensively) compared back then but they're not mentally tough or good as before - to be fair this is an issue in today's society so this is another topic.

Tho I get your point but it's really hard and unfair to compare players in different era if we are going to compare it literally.

[Bruno]

With the additional money given to pay his buyout, Spurs have spend $3.8M on Cissoko. They are quite high on him.

This money spend is another piece to try to understand Spurs move on draft night when they traded #33. The theory that his agent told teams not to pick him because he has a deal with another team (like Blazers did with Ruppert and Bucks with Chris Livingston) looks more solid. Spurs traded #33 because they knew Cissoko would still be there at #44.

Cissoko ability to be a good nba player will obviously depends on whether or not he can fix his jumpshot. Spurs have hired a new shooting coach (Jimmy Baron), we will see what he can do with him.

[onechance87]

With the additional money given to pay his buyout, Spurs have spend $3.8M on Cissoko. They are quite high on him.

This money spend is another piece to try to understand Spurs move on draft night when they traded #33. The theory that his agent told teams not to pick him because he has a deal with another team (like Blazers did with Ruppert and Bucks with Chris Livingston) looks more solid. Spurs traded #33 because they knew Cissoko would still be there at #44.

Cissoko ability to be a good nba player will obviously depends on whether or not he can fix his jumpshot. Spurs have hired a new shooting coach (Jimmy Baron), we will see what he can do with him.
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Man if cissoko can get a decent jumper...He will be a nice companion growing with wemby

[ambchang]

lol, I get it it’s been a while. You need to go back and refresh your memory a bit.

https://youtu.be/prvjNFHSOj0

To this day there’s been nobody like Magic.

I watch his highlights regularly. I have the entire 1985 finals series on tape and watch that once a few months or so. I watch the 80 playoff highlights and 87 and 88 playoff highlights all the time.

I have watched the video you posted at least a dozen times before and it addressed none of my points. The rules are totally different now vs then and magics main advantage in size is not as uncommon now as it was then. Can he adapt and excel? Sure. Lebron came in the league without an outside shot and now he’s a very good shooter. Magics defence was also very underrated as he does read the passing lanes extremely well, but the fact remains that teams can no longer be constructed like they were in the 80s due to cap rules and a large part of magics greatness was the lakers making nine finals and winning five of them.

[ambchang]

If we going to put player's game back then in today's NBA, we have to put in account that those player can adapt in today's game esp. with those attitude and mentally.
Obviously back then, they're slow and stiff but doesn't mean that if they're in today's NBA is that they won't be able to adapt so basically it's like similar to inflated rate when it comes to money.
Maybe an example is Brook Lopez who came to the league not a 3PT shooter but worked on his game when the NBA is starting to change due to Curry's effect and he's now considered one of the best 3PT shooter big man in the current league.
Players now are really good when it comes to skill (especially offensively) compared back then but they're not mentally tough or good as before - to be fair this is an issue in today's society so this is another topic.

Tho I get your point but it's really hard and unfair to compare players in different era if we are going to compare it literally.

True. Which itself highlights the lack of validity in the original point in how sidy will be effective despite not having an outside shot. Actually it’s even worse for Sidy because he doesn’t have any finishing ability now. I think he can improve because he seems like a hard worker but to say that he can contribute right now is highly doubtful.

[JPB]

doesn't make sense to compare players from different eras and type of BB... Would Magic play today, he would have grown up as a player in today's BB and his game would reflect that. He wouldn't play like a 80s player. He would probalby also focus more on defense, comparing to the 80s where he din't have to.

And the fact he could play 1 to 5, as an uber talented passing/creating, trip dub big who was unstopable on fast break would be his force today where the transition game is key and there's no defesne... I mean we have an MVP who just won the title as an uber talented passing/creating big... And Magic was actually more athletic than Jokic. Magic could grab a rebound and coast to coast his way to a lay up or a dime.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Era comparisons are stupid. If Jokic played in the 80's he wouldn't have been a three point threat and people today would say that he couldn't play in the modern game. Oh... he's too slow defensively, look how out of shape he is, he'd get run off the floor, he would get killed in small ball lineups. It's bullshit. Great players are great in any era. Magic was a basketball savant. He was the smartest player I've ever seen. Magic would be an MVP candidate today or in any era. It's a dumb argument to begin with, but an even dumber one when talking about Magic in particular because the single most translatable skill in any era is basketball IQ.

[rascal]

Magic Johnson was 14-2 against the Spurs in the playoffs.

[daslicer]

Era comparisons are stupid. If Jokic played in the 80's he wouldn't have been a three point threat and people today would say that he couldn't play in the modern game. Oh... he's too slow defensively, look how out of shape he is, he'd get run off the floor, he would get killed in small ball lineups. It's bullshit. Great players are great in any era. Magic was a basketball savant. He was the smartest player I've ever seen. Magic would be an MVP candidate today or in any era. It's a dumb argument to begin with, but an even dumber one when talking about Magic in particular because the single most translatable skill in any era is basketball IQ.

One thing people also forget is that great players tend to have great work ethic. That work ethic would allow them to adapt to any era.

[Spurs Homer]

Era comparisons are stupid. If Jokic played in the 80's he wouldn't have been a three point threat and people today would say that he couldn't play in the modern game. Oh... he's too slow defensively, look how out of shape he is, he'd get run off the floor, he would get killed in small ball lineups. It's bullshit. Great players are great in any era. Magic was a basketball savant. He was the smartest player I've ever seen. Magic would be an MVP candidate today or in any era. It's a dumb argument to begin with, but an even dumber one when talking about Magic in particular because the single most translatable skill in any era is basketball IQ.


^ this

[sfernald]

True. Which itself highlights the lack of validity in the original point in how sidy will be effective despite not having an outside shot. Actually it’s even worse for Sidy because he doesn’t have any finishing ability now. I think he can improve because he seems like a hard worker but to say that he can contribute right now is highly doubtful.

You can just look at current existing players that fill the archetype. Look at Josh Giddey. He’s 20 years old, 6’8” and can’t shoot worth a shit. He’s not the point guard but more of a ball handling forward. And yet he had an incredible year with 17 pts, 8 rebs and 6 assists. Just face it, your point is completely bogus, absolute statements usually in fact are.

[sfernald]

One thing people also forget is that great players tend to have great work ethic. That work ethic would allow them to adapt to any era.

Yes, and as Mitch said as far as greatness goes, the most underrated factor by far is the brain. And that will translate across the eras.

[ambchang]

You can just look at current existing players that fill the archetype. Look at Josh Giddey. He’s 20 years old, 6’8” and can’t shoot worth a shit. He’s not the point guard but more of a ball handling forward. And yet he had an incredible year with 17 pts, 8 rebs and 6 assists. Just face it, your point is completely bogus, absolute statements usually in fact are.

Giddey shot 32.5% from 3 last year on 3 attempts a game, and shot 48% from the field overall. It's not great, but I wouldn't call that "can't shoot worth a shit", especially when compared to Sidy, who shot 30% from the field and 17% from 3, ins summer league.

Also if you want to talk about absolute statements, I am not sure how you qualify statements as such "Sidy will be fine because Magic was fine 40 years ago in a totally different game", and "Giddey was fine last year despite being far superior in the one aspect Sidy has shown the biggest weakness is" as. Are those relative statements?

What about absolute statements in fact are? Is that completely bogus too? Really,m do you even think through things you write? Speaking of my point, which one is it? That Magic from the 80s would not be as dominant in today's game as he was in the 80s? I actually have little doubt. I don't see how a team can win 5 titles and go to the finals 9 times in 12 years in today's cap situation, and a large part of any player's greatness was team success.

My point is simple, Sidy will struggle out of the gate, and would be difficult to play, especially on a team like the Spurs which is not blessed with strong outside shooting. Tre and Sochan, both fine players would are likely to start and/or play heavy minutes, are not the greatest shooters. I think Sochan will improve quite a bit on that front this year (just a hunch) but I am not seeing Durant 2.0 here, so Sidy, at best, will play spot or garbage minutes. It is best for him to hone his stills it the G-league, and work to improve his finishing. I would love for him to do so, because I do love the way he plays in how he passes and play d, but to overlook his huge gaping weakness in his finishing and just act like a cheerleader is rather over optimistic. If Sidy can be compared to Magic and Giddey, then all the GMs really dropped the ball allowing him to go mid second round. He should be a low lottery pick, at worst.

To address the Magic comments, the goal post changed, the idea is to say if 80s Magic will dominate like he did in today's game because you were comparing Magic to Sidy. My answer is no, he likely won't, because he can't shoot (but still leagues better than Sidy), but then now it is about how his work ethic will make him into at least a decent shooter which defeats the entire point of Sidy's weakness, which is he can't shoot. Somebody brought up Jokic, he could shoot, as well as pass with the best of them. There were some questions about his defence but I think it's overblown, he reads spacing exceptionally well (my point about Magic), and he is huge. I think Larry Bird will still be exceptional in today's league despite him being slow and all. he was slow in the 80s, and yet he reads the game ridiculously well, like Magic, but will he be as good as he was in the 80s? I doubt it. But if he grew up with all the training and everything then will he be as good as he was in the 80s? Possible, but again the team construction aspect would be interesting, as I can't see a team that can afford him, Parish, McHale, Dennis Johnson, and a strong bench. The cap just won't allow it.

[CGD]

With the additional money given to pay his buyout, Spurs have spend $3.8M on Cissoko. They are quite high on him.

This money spend is another piece to try to understand Spurs move on draft night when they traded #33. The theory that his agent told teams not to pick him because he has a deal with another team (like Blazers did with Ruppert and Bucks with Chris Livingston) looks more solid. Spurs traded #33 because they knew Cissoko would still be there at #44.

Cissoko ability to be a good nba player will obviously depends on whether or not he can fix his jumpshot. Spurs have hired a new shooting coach (Jimmy Baron), we will see what he can do with him.

This makes a lot of sense to me especially with the buyout component to it. I’m sure that scared people off the further he dropped. All told, still less than the cost of the final FRP in the draft.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Giddey shot 32.5% from 3 last year on 3 attempts a game, and shot 48% from the field overall. It's not great, but I wouldn't call that "can't shoot worth a shit", especially when compared to Sidy, who shot 30% from the field and 17% from 3, ins summer league.

Also if you want to talk about absolute statements, I am not sure how you qualify statements as such "Sidy will be fine because Magic was fine 40 years ago in a totally different game", and "Giddey was fine last year despite being far superior in the one aspect Sidy has shown the biggest weakness is" as. Are those relative statements?

What about absolute statements in fact are? Is that completely bogus too? Really,m do you even think through things you write? Speaking of my point, which one is it? That Magic from the 80s would not be as dominant in today's game as he was in the 80s? I actually have little doubt. I don't see how a team can win 5 titles and go to the finals 9 times in 12 years in today's cap situation, and a large part of any player's greatness was team success.

My point is simple, Sidy will struggle out of the gate, and would be difficult to play, especially on a team like the Spurs which is not blessed with strong outside shooting. Tre and Sochan, both fine players would are likely to start and/or play heavy minutes, are not the greatest shooters. I think Sochan will improve quite a bit on that front this year (just a hunch) but I am not seeing Durant 2.0 here, so Sidy, at best, will play spot or garbage minutes. It is best for him to hone his stills it the G-league, and work to improve his finishing. I would love for him to do so, because I do love the way he plays in how he passes and play d, but to overlook his huge gaping weakness in his finishing and just act like a cheerleader is rather over optimistic. If Sidy can be compared to Magic and Giddey, then all the GMs really dropped the ball allowing him to go mid second round. He should be a low lottery pick, at worst.

To address the Magic comments, the goal post changed, the idea is to say if 80s Magic will dominate like he did in today's game because you were comparing Magic to Sidy. My answer is no, he likely won't, because he can't shoot (but still leagues better than Sidy), but then now it is about how his work ethic will make him into at least a decent shooter which defeats the entire point of Sidy's weakness, which is he can't shoot. Somebody brought up Jokic, he could shoot, as well as pass with the best of them. There were some questions about his defence but I think it's overblown, he reads spacing exceptionally well (my point about Magic), and he is huge. I think Larry Bird will still be exceptional in today's league despite him being slow and all. he was slow in the 80s, and yet he reads the game ridiculously well, like Magic, but will he be as good as he was in the 80s? I doubt it. But if he grew up with all the training and everything then will he be as good as he was in the 80s? Possible, but again the team construction aspect would be interesting, as I can't see a team that can afford him, Parish, McHale, Dennis Johnson, and a strong bench. The cap just won't allow it.

I'm not sure exactly what your point is regarding Magic. Is it, "If we had a time machine and brought back Magic from 1987 would he still be as dominant a player in today's NBA?" Notwithstanding the salary cap stuff, I honestly think he would be. It might take him a minute to get accustomed to the style of play, but I could make an argument that he would be even better in today's pace and space open floor game where they don't allow hand checking on the perimeter. His numbers would be absolutely insane. And why do you think a 52% career FG shooter (85% from the line --- 90% over his last 3 seasons including one season where he led the league) can't shoot? Regarding the salary cap... all of that is relative to the competition as well. So Magic wouldn't have the same talent around him but his competition wouldn't either. Playing field gets leveled for everybody and as much as Magic (and Bird for that matter) had great teammates, I would argue that he elevated their games a lot more than they ever elevated his.

[ambchang]

I'm not sure exactly what your point is regarding Magic. Is it, "If we had a time machine and brought back Magic from 1987 would he still be as dominant a player in today's NBA?" Notwithstanding the salary cap stuff, I honestly think he would be. It might take him a minute to get accustomed to the style of play, but I could make an argument that he would be even better in today's pace and space open floor game where they don't allow hand checking on the perimeter. His numbers would be absolutely insane. And why do you think a 52% career FG shooter (85% from the line --- 90% over his last 3 seasons including one season where he led the league) can't shoot? Regarding the salary cap... all of that is relative to the competition as well. So Magic wouldn't have the same talent around him but his competition wouldn't either. Playing field gets leveled for everybody and as much as Magic (and Bird for that matter) had great teammates, I would argue that he elevated their games a lot more than they ever elevated his.

I didn’t say he can’t shoot first. Some guy used magic’s shooting to compare it to sidy.

As for my point, the 80s pace was insane fast. So I don’t see much change in that regard. Magic wasn’t overly impacted by hand checking because of his size and strength compared for shoe guarding him. He was neutralized with size multiple times in the playoffs and regular season. Players like Pippen Moncrief gave him some (and some is relative) trouble. They were rare in the 80s. Not so much today.

If he was to teleport to todays game then he would still be a nice player, but one who can win this much? Not likely. Winning is a huge part of a players legacy, it’s part of a larger narrative. What magic did in the 80s was insane and the reason for that was that the team was stacked. Sure magic was a huge reason they were stacked but there was immense talent. There are some players who are more suited to different styles and even the greats are the same.

[Chinook]

A player not being able to shoot is a real problem. It's too easy to out-efficient a team that relies on twos -- even at-the-basket twos. Yes, great players warp rules around them, but if you dropped Magic or even Shaq in the modern game, they wouldn't have the same pull on the league than they would in their own times. Curry, Lillard and Harden bent the modern NBA, and it would be really hard for a guy who was a 19/5/11 guy to come in and redirect rules and styles to make up for the fact that it's way too easy for mid-tier players to keep up with his scoring. DMDR doesn't get the respect he deserves for being one of the best inside-the-arc perimeter players of his era, because the three is just so much more powerful and the league is far too scared to give that up. It's just too hard to tell how great player would do in eras they didn't build and without the benefit of the cache they earned.

What is much easier to tell is that there's negative reason to be talking about a player like Magic when considering Cissoko. This is why I keep talking about the Diaw comparison. No, this is not a superficial thing. Some people seem to be fundamentally misinterpreting what they were seeing on the floor, in my opinion. No, Sidy didn't show any type of primary play-making ability. Nothing he did should give anyone consideration that a team would be depending on him to run an offense -- no not even in garbage time or in the d-league. Being able to throw pretty passes is nice, but it's not special, and it's one of the least important things about being a play-maker. What Sidy showed was the potential to be a nice piece in an offense that is moving the ball. He can good-to-great, and that level of selflessness and IQ is worth something for sure. It will endear him to teammates, and it might increase the overall efficiency of an offense when he's on the floor -- provided he can be in situations where he is legit dangerous to score to the point that he can create the gaps in the defense his IQ and selfless nature lets him exploit. If his shot gets right, he'll be a useful rotation player. He'd have many more things that'd have to break right for him to be more than that. Otherwise, he's much closer of the projection list to, say, Joffery Lauvergne, who also flashed a talent for throwing spectacular look-ahead passes during the early part of his Spurs stint before he fell back to Earth and became the memeist Spurs pick this side of Jeff Ayres.

[spurraider21]

A player not being able to shoot is a real problem. It's too easy to out-efficient a team that relies on twos -- even at-the-basket twos. Yes, great players warp rules around them, but if you dropped Magic or even Shaq in the modern game, they wouldn't have the same pull on the league than they would in their own times. Curry, Lillard and Harden bent the modern NBA, and it would be really hard for a guy who was a 19/5/11 guy to come in and redirect rules and styles to make up for the fact that it's way too easy for mid-tier players to keep up with his scoring. DMDR doesn't get the respect he deserves for being one of the best inside-the-arc perimeter players of his era, because the three is just so much more powerful and the league is far too scared to give that up. It's just too hard to tell how great player would do in eras they didn't build and without the benefit of the cache they earned.

What is much easier to tell is that there's negative reason to be talking about a player like Magic when considering Cissoko. This is why I keep talking about the Diaw comparison. No, this is not a superficial thing. Some people seem to be fundamentally misinterpreting what they were seeing on the floor, in my opinion. No, Sidy didn't show any type of primary play-making ability. Nothing he did should give anyone consideration that a team would be depending on him to run an offense -- no not even in garbage time or in the d-league. Being able to throw pretty passes is nice, but it's not special, and it's one of the least important things about being a play-maker. What Sidy showed was the potential to be a nice piece in an offense that is moving the ball. He can good-to-great, and that level of selflessness and IQ is worth something for sure. It will endear him to teammates, and it might increase the overall efficiency of an offense when he's on the floor -- provided he can be in situations where he is legit dangerous to score to the point that he can create the gaps in the defense his IQ and selfless nature lets him exploit. If his shot gets right, he'll be a useful rotation player. He'd have many more things that'd have to break right for him to be more than that. Otherwise, he's much closer of the projection list to, say, Joffery Lauvergne, who also flashed a talent for throwing spectacular look-ahead passes during the early part of his Spurs stint before he fell back to Earth and became the memeist Spurs pick this side of Jeff Ayres.
the reason i dont think the joffrey comparison is apt is because sidy also looks like he should be a plus defender. if you are just comparing their apparent passing skill, thats a different story, but then also less useful and a much more limited means of comparison.

[rjv]

A player not being able to shoot is a real problem. It's too easy to out-efficient a team that relies on twos -- even at-the-basket twos. Yes, great players warp rules around them, but if you dropped Magic or even Shaq in the modern game, they wouldn't have the same pull on the league than they would in their own times. Curry, Lillard and Harden bent the modern NBA, and it would be really hard for a guy who was a 19/5/11 guy to come in and redirect rules and styles to make up for the fact that it's way too easy for mid-tier players to keep up with his scoring. DMDR doesn't get the respect he deserves for being one of the best inside-the-arc perimeter players of his era, because the three is just so much more powerful and the league is far too scared to give that up. It's just too hard to tell how great player would do in eras they didn't build and without the benefit of the cache they earned.

What is much easier to tell is that there's negative reason to be talking about a player like Magic when considering Cissoko. This is why I keep talking about the Diaw comparison. No, this is not a superficial thing. Some people seem to be fundamentally misinterpreting what they were seeing on the floor, in my opinion. No, Sidy didn't show any type of primary play-making ability. Nothing he did should give anyone consideration that a team would be depending on him to run an offense -- no not even in garbage time or in the d-league. Being able to throw pretty passes is nice, but it's not special, and it's one of the least important things about being a play-maker. What Sidy showed was the potential to be a nice piece in an offense that is moving the ball. He can good-to-great, and that level of selflessness and IQ is worth something for sure. It will endear him to teammates, and it might increase the overall efficiency of an offense when he's on the floor -- provided he can be in situations where he is legit dangerous to score to the point that he can create the gaps in the defense his IQ and selfless nature lets him exploit. If his shot gets right, he'll be a useful rotation player. He'd have many more things that'd have to break right for him to be more than that. Otherwise, he's much closer of the projection list to, say, Joffery Lauvergne, who also flashed a talent for throwing spectacular look-ahead passes during the early part of his Spurs stint before he fell back to Earth and became the memeist Spurs pick this side of Jeff Ayres.

that's some damn good circumlocution right there.

[sfernald]

I didn’t say he can’t shoot first. Some guy used magic’s shooting to compare it to sidy.

As for my point, the 80s pace was insane fast. So I don’t see much change in that regard. Magic wasn’t overly impacted by hand checking because of his size and strength compared for shoe guarding him. He was neutralized with size multiple times in the playoffs and regular season. Players like Pippen Moncrief gave him some (and some is relative) trouble. They were rare in the 80s. Not so much today.

If he was to teleport to todays game then he would still be a nice player, but one who can win this much? Not likely. Winning is a huge part of a players legacy, it’s part of a larger narrative. What magic did in the 80s was insane and the reason for that was that the team was stacked. Sure magic was a huge reason they were stacked but there was immense talent. There are some players who are more suited to different styles and even the greats are the same.

When Magic started his career he really couldn’t shoot. He developed his shooting over time like Lebron, another big guy who couldn’t shoot very well when he came into the league. Maybe Sidy can improve his shooting too?

[Chinook]

the reason i dont think the joffrey comparison is apt is because sidy also looks like he should be a plus defender. if you are just comparing their apparent passing skill, thats a different story, but then also less useful and a much more limited means of comparison.

I don't think Cissoko and Lauvergne are similar players. I'm more commenting on how being able to make flashy passes isn't itself an important skill. I think most folks don't even remember that was a thing Joff used to do. They remember the bad hands, turnovers and overall lack of physicality.

[ambchang]

When Magic started his career he really couldn’t shoot. He developed his shooting over time like Lebron, another big guy who couldn’t shoot very well when he came into the league. Maybe Sidy can improve his shooting too?

I’m not sure if sidy could. I would love him to and given he’s 19, chances are he would. That said, it’s not the original point (at least from how I read it). The original point is that sidy can’t contribute now because he is a poor finisher, which he is. He would have to be absolutely elite in at least another thing to compensate for that. Saying he could improve in shooting in the future so that he would be able to contribute highlights how his lack of finishing ability will definitely limit his playability.

[Knoxxx]

Did anyone consider in addition to being a good young prospect that Wemby may greatly enjoy having another young kid from France on the team and they may even hang out some offcourt?

[Obstructed_View]

Did anyone consider in addition to being a good young prospect that Wemby may greatly enjoy having another young kid from France on the team and they may even hang out some offcourt?

Sidy is the 2023 Antonio Daniels.

[GAustex]

Jack Haley

[Obstructed_View]

Jack Haley
Yep, I think that was the other one. :lol

[sfernald]

I think it's just that I'm super excited about Sidy's potential. You don't see guys with his natural gifts. He has a crazy sort of strength and power than reminds me of Jalen Williams. I feel like he just has to learn to make better decisions. That might just be tons of gameplay that gets him there quick. So I'm all for getting him as much g league time as possible if he's not getting any playing time on the team.

[rankingtear]

This is their new Stanley Johnson. Sidy perfectly fits the way Pop played Stanley.

[exstatic]

This is their new Stanley Johnson. Sidy perfectly fits the way Pop played Stanley.

It was a career aberration, but SJ shot 45% from 3 on 1.5 atts/gm. I can't see Sidy shooting that on any amount of attempts.

[wildbill2u]

Looks like a g league fixture until he learns to shoot if he can.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

This is their new Stanley Johnson. Sidy perfectly fits the way Pop played Stanley.

I liked Stanley Johnson. I was gonna sad to see him go.

[J_Paco]

This is their new Stanley Johnson. Sidy perfectly fits the way Pop played Stanley.

Nice comp.

Sidy also reminds me of Justise Winslow before all the injuries (and his inability to improve his perimeter shooting) derailed his career.

Obviously, Sidy is a lot more raw than even Winslow was coming out of Duke, but their skillsets & body types are very similar.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1723171628056735912

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1723168519930409408

[CorrectCrusader]

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1723171628056735912

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1723168519930409408

Lol I shuddered when I saw this but then saw the scoreboard. tf is going on in austin lol

[tim_duncan_fan]

Lol I shuddered when I saw this but then saw the scoreboard. tf is going on in austin lol

Same shit that's going on here, probably. Lmao

But yo, that's an epic dunk by Sidy. I hope this guy really becomes something.

[onechance87]

any stats....how was his shooting....how did rice do

[SPURt]

https://twitter.com/nbagleague/status/1723171628056735912

https://twitter.com/austin_spurs/status/1723168519930409408
Who is that announcer :lol straight off the farm

[BackHome]

They lost by 40 points they played even worse then how there big brothers played last night. To be honest I don’t even think any of these guys could crack the line up of a good college team not 1 player was in the positive for +/-

[rjv]

They lost by 40 points they played even worse then how there big brothers played last night. To be honest I don’t even think any of these guys could crack the line up of a good college team not 1 player was in the positive for +/-

that’s usually what happens when you lose by 40.

[exstatic]

They lost by 40 points they played even worse then how there big brothers played last night. To be honest I don’t even think any of these guys could crack the line up of a good college team not 1 player was in the positive for +/-

Rice started for UT last year.

I think using all three 2way spots, plus drafting Sidy was an attempt to shore up their talent level. They might also consider an extended stay for Blake Wesley, since he’s not in the rotation.

Austin’s been pretty bad for a few years.

[dbestpro]

Would like to see Sidy get some burn with the big club just for the defense.

[sfernald]

Is Sidy getting some play in gleague?

[ismael-robert]

Is Sidy getting some play in gleague?

Guess u didn't see videos 4 posts up

[sfernald]

Guess u didn't see videos 4 posts up

I meant is he getting a lot of minutes and playing well? Besides the cool dunk obviously.

[spurraider21]

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[objective]

Is he still in Austin? Don't rookies usually get activated for the RRT?

[onechance87]

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rather him get a chance over champ....

[Mugen]

Yeah would be nice to bring Sidy up to the big leagues for the last stretch of the season.

[Atl Spur]

Plays mean but smart! Pops gotta love this kid!!!

[Ariel]

Cissoko's all around game was never the issue, the question is: can he shoot? like, AT ALL? This season he's shooting 15.4% from 3, but let's chalk it up to small sample. For his G League career, he's shooting 27% from 3 and 65% from the line. Needs to work on that A LOT if he's going to be successful in the NBA, can't have a roster filled with non shooters. Oh well, at the very least beats drafting a Thompson at 4/5, I guess :lol

[CGD]

Bring him up.

[Chinook]

It's crazy how common the archetype of a defensive forward who can make plays but is unable to shoot is. It's like Thad Young had as much of an impression on young aspiring basketball players as Curry did.

[objective]

Cissoko's all around game was never the issue, the question is: can he shoot? like, AT ALL? This season he's shooting 15.4% from 3, but let's chalk it up to small sample. For his G League career, he's shooting 27% from 3 and 65% from the line. Needs to work on that A LOT if he's going to be successful in the NBA, can't have a roster filled with non shooters. Oh well, at the very least beats drafting a Thompson at 4/5, I guess :lol

15%

That's like double Zach Collins since Tre became the starter.

Fits right in, practically a flamethrower

[spurraider21]

It's crazy how common the archetype of a defensive forward who can make plays but is unable to shoot is. It's like Thad Young had as much of an impression on young aspiring basketball players as Curry did.
Watch Ryan Dunn get drafted and work on his playmaking instead of his shooting :lol

[Atl Spur]

It's crazy how common the archetype of a defensive forward who can make plays but is unable to shoot is. It's like Thad Young had as much of an impression on young aspiring basketball players as Curry did.

It really just highlights how hard it is to master the skill of great shooting ( passable shooting ). Some overcome it but it’s an Achilles heal for most unfortunately. I like buddys attitude

[John B]

You can tell Pop likes the guy’s defense and motor, on top of his potential PF skills. No doubt Sidy will get his chances.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/N_Magaro/status/1760793762790285667

[ginobilized]

He plays hungry on defense and passes well. Who does the "big" team have that does that?

[BackHome]

My issue with him is that I think he is a PF but he is only 6'6 and so far he has not shown any improvement on any outside shooting. But that is OK when they signed him I new he was a project so with those you definitely have to wait until year 3 before you hope to see any big changes

[Russ]

My issue with him is that I think he is a PF but he is only 6'6 and so far he has not shown any improvement on any outside shooting. But that is OK when they signed him I new he was a project so with those you definitely have to wait until year 3 before you hope to see any big changes

GG Jackson maybe might have been just a little bit better pick at that point in the draft.

[Mr. Body]

GG Jackson maybe might have been just a little bit better pick at that point in the draft.

GG Jackson was an atrocious pick, absolutely awful in a historical sense. It's a miracle that he's actually productive and we'll see if it lasts.

[Russ]

GG Jackson was an atrocious pick, absolutely awful in a historical sense.

Not an awful pick at 45. Not even close.

The Spurs need to learn to use those 2d round picks -- there are obvious advantages (over 1st round picks) if they hit and little downside if they don't.

The Spurs have a lot of 2d rounders going forward, so they better learn how to use them -- that's where winning teams are often built.

[Mr. Body]

Not an awful pick at 45. Not even close.

The Spurs need to learn to use those 2d round picks -- there are obvious advantages (over 1st round picks) if they hit and little downside if they don't.

The Spurs have a lot of 2d rounders going forward, so they better learn how to use them -- that's where winning teams are often built.

Yeah, he had about ten blazing red flags. There was no way the Spurs would have taken him. I mean, cry about it I guess. There was like a one percent chance he'd ever turn out, considering what he'd been doing. I still don't know if he'll do this long-term. Teams figure players out and he's a headcase.

Cissoko was the swing you're talking about. We already made that swing. And it was a pretty good swing. I mean, I'd rather have Trayce Jackson-Davis like I was calling for last year, but whatever.

But I guess Jackson is another player this fucking fanbase is going to obsess over for ages. Again, just go be a Memphis fan if you like him so much.

[Russ]

Yeah, he had about ten blazing red flags. There was no way the Spurs would have taken him. I mean, cry about it I guess. There was like a one percent chance he'd ever turn out, considering what he'd been doing. I still don't know if he'll do this long-term. Teams figure players out and he's a headcase.

Cissoko was the swing you're talking about. We already made that swing. And it was a pretty good swing. I mean, I'd rather have Trayce Jackson-Davis like I was calling for last year, but whatever.

But I guess Jackson is another player this fucking fanbase is going to obsess over for ages. Again, just go be a Memphis fan if you like him so much.

Calm down, man.

I don't like guys with red flags either (although I like em a lot more in the 2d round).

I've seen Isaiah Collier twice in person -- he's got red flags all over the place IMO. When the team huddles he walks off by himself with his back to the team and looks longingly at the tunnel to the dressing room (maybe he just needs to take a piss).

I haven't seen GG Jackson in person but I've seen him play long stretches of NBA games (vs highlight reels.)

He always has a smile on his face and engages with his teammates, helps em up from the floor, that kind of thing.

His last five games he's averaged 20.2 points, shooting .457 from 3 and .579 from 2.

He's 6'9", he's only 19 and he's doing this in the NBA -- most of the 19-year olds we talk about are in college or the G League and they don't even have such stats there.

The 2d round is the place where you take guys you think may have issues (even if you turn out to be wrong).

[SpursBills]

Calm down, man.

I don't like guys with red flags either (although I like em a lot more in the 2d round).

I've seen Isaiah Collier twice in person -- he's got red flags all over the place IMO. When the team huddles he walks off by himself with his back to the team and looks longingly at the tunnel to the dressing room (maybe he just needs to take a piss).

I haven't seen GG Jackson in person but I've seen him play long stretches of NBA games (vs highlight reels.)

He always has a smile on his face and engages with his teammates, helps em up from the floor, that kind of thing.

His last five games he's averaged 20.2 points, shooting .457 from 3 and .579 from 2.

He's 6'9", he's only 19 and he's doing this in the NBA -- most of the 19-year olds we talk about are in college or the G League and they don't even have such stats there.

The 2d round is the place where you take guys you think may have issues (even if you turn out to be wrong).

Think it's dangerous to second guess and re-litigate not picking GG Jackson if you're only looking at his NBA performance. He had very legitimate attitude concerns as well as issues with his feel in college. Maybe a guy like this pans out occasionally, but your downside risk is also significant. What if you end up with a Kevin Porter Jr for example? Sure you can cut him eventually if he doesn't pan out, but in the meantime he's probably not doing your locker room and your young players any favors.

[Russ]

Think it's dangerous to second guess and re-litigate not picking GG Jackson if you're only looking at his NBA performance.

It may be a lotta things but it's not a second guess -- I was calling for GG if he fell to the 2d round a month before the draft.


Yet another benefit of getting Wemby is that the Spurs are back in their comfort zone again -- late first round/early second.

No entitled overpaid prima donnas in the 2-5 range. Picking that early is (unfortunately) a great equalizer that minimizes draft expertise.

The Spurs can once again go after raw projects like GG Jackson (and a ton of others) who may fall. More upside with less anxiety on the line -- I love it.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301903&page=2&p=10894084&viewfull=1#post10894084

And right after the draft.


They passed on Leonard Miller and GG Jackson, both guys with NBA bodies of the kind the Spurs could use (if they had any additional attributes). But the Spurs know who they can develop and who they can't, I trust their judgment in that area.

Rayan Rupert might end up looking good at 33 but who knows.

On the other side of the coin, bullets dodged, glad they passed on Jordan Walsh and Amari Bailey (not bad players but probably won't move the needle much on a crowded roster).

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301903&page=2&p=10894084&viewfull=1#post10894084

[onechance87]

It may be a lotta things but it's not a second guess -- I was calling for GG if he fell to the 2d round a month before the draft.




https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301903&page=2&p=10894084&viewfull=1#post10894084

And right after the draft.



https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301903&page=2&p=10894084&viewfull=1#post10894084

damn...spurs need to hire you as a scout....who u liking in this draft this year tho

[Ariel]

GG Jackson was an atrocious pick, absolutely awful in a historical sense. It's a miracle that he's actually productive and we'll see if it lasts.
There is no such thing as an atrocious late 2nd round pick.

[SpursBills]

It may be a lotta things but it's not a second guess -- I was calling for GG if he fell to the 2d round a month before the draft.




https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301903&page=2&p=10894084&viewfull=1#post10894084

And right after the draft.



https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301903&page=2&p=10894084&viewfull=1#post10894084

Damn dude, that's a great call. Did not see GG excelling like he has and I think that prospects like him are still too risky for my taste, but you're definitely looking like a prophet on that one

:bobo

[hoopdreams11]

Sidy not playing well tonight 0-7 and a technical foul

[spurraider21]

everyone: spurs need more shooting

also everyone: why isnt sidy playing more with the big boys?

[BackHome]

Yeah, he has a big hill to climb but at least he can go make some money in Europe.

[offset formation]

15%

That's like double Zach Collins since Tre became the starter.

Fits right in, practically a flamethrower

Same as Amen Thompson tbh

[emanueldavidginobili]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4gxG6wv10_/?igsh=MW1iNWk4ZGJiZWZ6NA==

It’s not embedding correctly for Instagram. I haven’t seen any full games from Sidy or have looked at his stats this year but god damn these highlights are pretty damn impressive. Also got the game winner in OT last night. Not sure if it’s possible considering the roster room but if possible bring this kid up for the last bunch of games. This highlight real surprised the shit out of me.

[objective]

Game winner?

"That's not who we are." :pop:

[itzsoweezee]

He may not be a shooter, but he has other nba skills, unlike the bricklayers that currently fill up the roster

[emanueldavidginobili]

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[John B]

1768490318893076558

1768464140031468024

Sidy has a great future, has great motor, can facilitate and plays hard-nosed defense. He needs to work on sinking shots consistently, and then he would earn minutes with the big club. I’m rooting for this kid.

[BackHome]

To me Sidy was always a project and should be in the G League for a solid two years as he has many things he needs to work on. Which is not a bad thing he has potential but he has to be coached and has to get the playing time in order to grow and make progress in the things he is being taught. The biggest thing he needs to work on after this season is over is still his shooting the 3 ball and also his mid range game needs work....but as they say "Baby Steps"..

[Biggems]

I am glad we drafted Sidy. I still wish we could have also drafted Jackson-Davis. That is ok though.

This year, some of my second round guys are moving up quickly and that saddens me.

I am a big fan of Dillon Jones from Weber St. He was a late 2nd earlier this year, but now several mocks have him going in the 20s of the first round. I like Jones cause he fills up the stat sheet. He gets you double digit points, is a very good rebounder, is a very good passer, and also tries on defense (though he is not a world beater on that end). He is a natural leader out there.

I like Zach Edey, probably the only one, but he too has moved into the 20s of the first round in many mocks. I was hoping to get him in the late 2nd and use him for situational defensive moments and to cover the inbound late in games. He is very good at drawing fouls in college, shoots a lot of FTs and a good percentage. Not sure if he could do the same in the NBA, but it would have been worth the risk of the pick IMO.

I was a fan of PJ Hall early on, but I have soured on him. He isn't as consistent as I would like and I feel like he will really struggle in the NBA, since he is only average height and average athleticism. Somehow, he has shown to be the first round of a few mocks.


I hope Jones falls to us in the 2nd round. Another player that I hope falls to the 2nd round is Tyler Kolek from Marquette. I do not feel he is worthy of a first round pick, but he sure would be a nice addition and a mid-2nd round selection.

[Russ]

The Austin game against the Capital City Go Go (really) is live on Bally TV now.

[Dejounte]

Sidy with another big game

https://x.com/nbagleague/status/1769146928263299406?s=46

[onechance87]

Sidy with another big game

https://x.com/nbagleague/status/1769146928263299406?s=46

rather have these two getting playing time over branham and champ

[BackHome]

I think the Spurs should look at shutting it down a little early and just bring in Barlow, Duke, and Sidy, some big game playing time. That will at least give us a gauge on where they stand and maybe change who we pick in the second round in the draft.

[Ariel]

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1631321/

He's shooting 40.5% from the field, 14.3% from 3, and 63% from the line. I like his game, but it's hard to envision him having a future with the team unless he drastically improves those numbers.

[Splits]

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1631321/

He's shooting 40.5% from the field, 14.3% from 3, and 63% from the line. I like his game, but it's hard to envision him having a future with the team unless he drastically improves those numbers.

:lmao I thought that must have been due to small sample size, but dude is jacking 4 3PA/game? wtf

[ChumpDumper]

Sidy with another big game

https://x.com/nbagleague/status/1769146928263299406?s=46

Sidy looked good today in the hustle and fastbreak departments, but he still doesn't know how to play basketball yet. The whole team played pretty good D for as small as the lineup was but the ghost of Hamidou Diallo scored 35 points as well, so you can kind of see the level where Cissoko and Duke are. I don't think Jamaree Bouyea has real NBA potential but we're lucky to have a guy who can run an offense and he's been a steal machine since he was signed.

[JPB]

1768490318893076558

1768464140031468024

Not a shot at Sidy but that was a terrible shot and decision.
The simple fact he even thought he could drive (not at all his forte) tells about the level of the G league. It was a gross, out of control, slow drive where he runs right into his defender then throws an Hail Mariah that bounces on the rim, the backboard and somehow goes in.

No way he even tries that in the NBA.

[Dejounte]

Not a shot at Sidy but that was a terrible shot and decision.
The simple fact he even thought he could drive (not at all his forte) tells about the level of the G league. It was a gross, out of control, slow drive where he runs right into his defender then throws an Hail Mariah that bounces on the rim, the backboard and somehow goes in.

No way he even tries that in the NBA.

if there was a place and time to try things, it’s the gleague tbh

[CGD]

:lmao I thought that must have been due to small sample size, but dude is jacking 4 3PA/game? wtf

Brutal

[BackHome]

Well to be honest your not going to be a better shooter if you don't shot the ball so keep on heaving them 3's

[rascal]

Not a shot at Sidy but that was a terrible shot and decision.
The simple fact he even thought he could drive (not at all his forte) tells about the level of the G league. It was a gross, out of control, slow drive where he runs right into his defender then throws an Hail Mariah that bounces on the rim, the backboard and somehow goes in.

No way he even tries that in the NBA.

His movements are just weird. He isn't explosive or quick and really struggles to get off the ground, looks to have a flabby body look with added weight. Very slow release on his shot.

[Russ]

Well to be honest your not going to be a better shooter if you don't shot the ball so keep on heaving them 3's

There's only one way out if you're a Spurs player, take em and make em.

If you don't take (when open), Pop will bench you.

If you don't make em, Pop will cut you.

You have to take a swing.

As the Dominican baseball players said, when asked why they were such free swingers and seldom walked -- "You don't walk off the island."