Trade Rumor: Cedi Osman to Spurs (Edit: Trade complete. Osman, Stevens and a second round pick to Spurs.)

[spurraider21]

Taking shitty opportunities now to forego better ones later isn't great.

It's a shitty FA class. You don't FOMO on these guys. There are better ways to improve the team this season than shitty July panic signings.
Took no opportunities last year or this year. But yeah I’m sure one day we’ll get that perfect opportunity

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Took no opportunities last year or this year. But yeah I’m sure one day we’ll get that perfect opportunity
Strawman. What opportunities do you want in a tank year? We are less than a month into the Wembanyama era.

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Strawman. What opportunities do you want in a tank year? We are less than a month into the Wembanyama era.

I can't wait for the collective approval whenever it comes from the board to start moving forward on free agent signings. Perhaps you guys can forecast for those idiots like me when that year will be that we finally get to make an offer.

Here's a guess: You guys will all nod like robits in unison whenever they finally do decide to dip their toes into free agency. It's kinda creepy how much this board slobbers the nob of PATFO like sheep and then claps like a bunch of seals when they get a second rou der for taking on Cedi Osman and Stevenson BUT REMAIN UNDER THE SALARY FLOOR.

[ChumpDumper]

Took no opportunities last year or this year. But yeah I’m sure one day we’ll get that perfect opportunityOf course they took opportunities both years.

Not the ones you wanted. You're going to be pissed forever if this is how you go through life. It is definitely a way to be on ST.

Prepare to be pissed more when they start the season at the salary floor. And that won't be because of PATFO.

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Of course they took opportunities both years.

Not the ones you wanted. You're going to be pissed forever if this is how you go through life.

Cedi Osman is not an opportunity. Do you have knowledge that we offered a single contract to any player that might just possibly be better than Khem Birch or any of the other 2 or 3 back bench players?

[ChumpDumper]

Cedi Osman is not an opportunity.Of course that trade was an opportunity.


Do you have knowledge that we offered a single contract to any player that might just possibly be better than Khem Birch or any of the other 2 or 3 back bench players?What would that have to do with anything?

They don't do the things you want them to do.

So what?

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Of course that trade was an opportunity.

What would that have to do with anything?

They don't do the things you want them to do.

So what?


No, you're absolutely right. I'm not the GM and certainly not tasked with using my views of how to better the roster. But I have the right to critique their moves and yet theres a substantial number of folks on this board that lockstep attack any posters daring question it. It's like we won 52 games last year, not 22. Like we have a roster that has no holes and needs to help yet we have folks like Barlow that shoots a jumpshot with sideways rotation.

[ChumpDumper]

No, you're absolutely right. I'm not the GM and certainly not tasked with using my views of how to better the roster. But I have the right to critique their moves and yet theres a substantial number of folks on this board that lockstep attack any posters daring question it. It's like we won 52 games last year, not 22. Like we have a roster that has no holes and needs to help yet we have folks like Barlow that shoots a jumpshot with sideways rotation.No one is saying you can't criticize the team's moves if that's what you want to do.

Now what?

I am pretty sure the reduced revenue that comes with a tank affects the amount of spending the team is allowed to do.

Now what?

Everything makes more sense and I'm a lot less angsty than when I didn't consider things outside of my armchair GM desires.

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No one is saying you can't criticize the team's moves if that's what you want to do.

Now what?

I am pretty sure the reduced revenue that comes with a tank affects the amount of spending the team is allowed to do.

Now what?

Everything makes more sense and I'm a lot less angsty than when I didn't consider things outside of my armchair GM desires.

This board is nothing but armchair GMs. That's what makes it fun. But it seems there's one take on this board that catches mire shit than anything else and that's challenging our FO as though they've been above reproach. Here's the reality. We cashed in on a 14% shot in the dark to greatly accelerate our return to basketball relevancy. Otherwise, we were tied for the 2nd worst record in the NBA. To me at least, we ought to be searching high and low to upgrade our back end of the bench, at minimum.

[ChumpDumper]

This board is nothing but armchair GMs. That's what makes it fun. But it seems there's one take on this board that catches mire shit than anything else and that's challenging our FO as though they've been above reproach. Here's the reality. We cashed in on a 14% shot in the dark to greatly accelerate our return to basketball relevancy. Otherwise, we were tied for the 2nd worst record in the NBA. To me at least, we ought to be searching high and low to upgrade our back end of the bench, at minimum.I'm sure the Spurs would've done something different this summer had they not gotten the 1st pick.

But they did.

Now what?

Everything they've done fits my expectations based on my guesses how the business and basketball sides of this franchise are being run. Makes it easier all around for me.

I understand if you have different viewpoint. There's no need to get angry with me for not being as angry as you.

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I'm sure the Spurs would've done something different this summer had they not gotten the 1st pick.

But they did.

Now what?

Everything they've done fits my expectations based on my guesses how the business and basketball sides of this franchise are being run. Makes it easier all around for me.

I understand if you have different viewpoint. There's no need to get angry with me for not being as angry as you.


Not angry with you in the least Chump. In fact, I generally enjoy your takes on this board. I'm just frustrated by the reflexive hostility to criticism of PATFO on this board. Gets old.

[spurraider21]

Of course they took opportunities both years.

Not the ones you wanted. You're going to be pissed forever if this is how you go through life. It is definitely a way to be on ST.

Prepare to be pissed more when they start the season at the salary floor. And that won't be because of PATFO.
I’m a fan of a few sports teams. When good things happen i get happy. When good things don’t happen i don’t get happy. It’s a pretty simple version of sports fanhood

its served me well for a while. The spurs have generally been very well run and the raiders have generally been very poorly run.

[cutewizard]

8ts Spursssssssss time fellas

[cutewizard]

We are totally back

[ChumpDumper]

Not angry with you in the least Chump. In fact, I generally enjoy your takes on this board. I'm just frustrated by the reflexive hostility to criticism of PATFO on this board. Gets old.You're free to feel however you like. Maybe it's the degree of angst that's throwing me after the Spurs told us exactly what they were going to do this summer. I certainly expect hostility towards my viewpoint even if it's just explanatory and not advocacy.


I’m a fan of a few sports teams. When good things happen i get happy. When good things don’t happen i don’t get happy. It’s a pretty simple version of sports fanhood

its served me well for a while. The spurs have generally been very well run and the raiders have generally been very poorly run.
I guess the possibilities were so plentiful it was easy to get one's hopes up into the stratosphere. I looked at the business side to narrow things down in my head. The floor theory is panning out so far but that can change.

[Obstructed_View]

I can't wait for the collective approval whenever it comes from the board to start moving forward on free agent signings. Perhaps you guys can forecast for those idiots like me when that year will be that we finally get to make an offer.

Here's a guess: You guys will all nod like robits in unison whenever they finally do decide to dip their toes into free agency. It's kinda creepy how much this board slobbers the nob of PATFO like sheep and then claps like a bunch of seals when they get a second rou der for taking on Cedi Osman and Stevenson BUT REMAIN UNDER THE SALARY FLOOR.
I swear you guys are like a kid in a shopping cart screaming WHY DO YOU HATE FOOD? because we passed the first aisle without putting anything in the basket.

So clearly you understand that the Spurs were not going to go sign a big free agent veteran during a 20-win tank season. That's now put to rest.

The Spurs could have done anything they wanted this year. How hard is it to understand that nothing has come up that they want yet? The fact is that the salary floor is not going to be hard to get to and there are a ton of opportunities to get there. You're screeching about a problem that isn't hard to solve. We still have all of summer league and there will be other trade opportunities. There are a lot of guys the Spurs have acquired that they would have no problems trading.

You've been screaming for the Spurs to shoot since they inbounded the ball. The shot clock is at about 17. Relax.

I personally like about 15 or 16 guys on the current roster and I don't want to waste draft picks or money on any asset that makes the team have to jettison one of them prematurely. Clearly the front office feels close to the same way I do. Not surprising since they kept a super young, promising core throughout a monumental grind of a tank season and now wants to keep it together for at least another couple of weeks. It's unlikely that every single one of them happens to develop the way we want, but you gotta see them first.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but movement does not equal progress. If you think it does, then Houston is the team you should be rooting for.

[JPB]

Disagree. They moved up. They accomplished their goal. I dont care about overpaying etc..if it means consolidation or getting what you want (whether we agree or not with the players etc…).

I dont care about it and honestly Cedi sucks too lmao - I was not saying that Dipo deal specifically was amazing - its more their mindset compared to SA. OKC has so many picks etc they could easily rest on that and take it easy. But they are moving up in draft, still taking guys on etc and their collective mindset last few years is just relentless asset accumulation and talent accumulation

Maybe SA would have done some of that if not for Wemby. But Victor changes everything. Let's see who between SA and OKC has the best next decade.

[JPB]

I swear you guys are like a kid in a shopping cart screaming WHY DO YOU HATE FOOD? because we passed the first aisle without putting anything in the basket.

You've been screaming for the Spurs to shoot since they inbounded the ball. The shot clock is at about 17. Relax.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but movement does not equal progress. If you think it does, then Houston is the team you should be rooting for.

Quality stuff, tbh. Allow me to contact you if I need a couple pertinent analogies.

[Eaglenole2002]

I think PATFO know they need another big-time player, but the right player wasn’t/isn’t available. They put a lot of value in continuity and optionality. I think they believe in a core of Wemby/Vassell/Keldon/Sochan and want to see how things fit together. How much money will Vassell get? Can he become a legit primary ball-handling scorer or PNR partner with Wemby? Does Keldon’s game mesh with this core? Sochan is a chameleon, but what role do they envision for him? Is he really going to be a part-time point guard? Can he lead an offense?

I think those questions likely stopped the Spurs from going all in on improving the roster. They simply don’t know how it all fits together yet. Unless it was a no-brainer move (I didn’t see any), it seems prudent to maintain optionality with roster flexibility and cap flexibility. We’ll know so much more about this team in six months. With cap space, moveable expiring contracts and a boatload of picks, we’ll be in the conversation for any quality player on the market.

[slick'81]

Osman can give you double figs off the bench. Not a bad bench guy I guess

[spurraider21]

You're free to feel however you like. Maybe it's the degree of angst that's throwing me after the Spurs told us exactly what they were going to do this summer. I certainly expect hostility towards my viewpoint even if it's just explanatory and not advocacy.


I guess the possibilities were so plentiful it was easy to get one's hopes up into the stratosphere. I looked at the business side to narrow things down in my head. The floor theory is panning out so far but that can change.
I guess making any improvement to the roster personnel wise is stratospheric wishing when it comes to the draft and free agency window

(obviously excluding that one guy they drafted)

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I swear you guys are like a kid in a shopping cart screaming WHY DO YOU HATE FOOD? because we passed the first aisle without putting anything in the basket.

So clearly you understand that the Spurs were not going to go sign a big free agent veteran during a 20-win tank season. That's now put to rest.

The Spurs could have done anything they wanted this year. How hard is it to understand that nothing has come up that they want yet? The fact is that the salary floor is not going to be hard to get to and there are a ton of opportunities to get there. You're screeching about a problem that isn't hard to solve. We still have all of summer league and there will be other trade opportunities. There are a lot of guys the Spurs have acquired that they would have no problems trading.

You've been screaming for the Spurs to shoot since they inbounded the ball. The shot clock is at about 17. Relax.

I personally like about 15 or 16 guys on the current roster and I don't want to waste draft picks or money on any asset that makes the team have to jettison one of them prematurely. Clearly the front office feels close to the same way I do. Not surprising since they kept a super young, promising core throughout a monumental grind of a tank season and now wants to keep it together for at least another couple of weeks. It's unlikely that every single one of them happens to develop the way we want, but you gotta see them first.

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but movement does not equal progress. If you think it does, then Houston is the team you should be rooting for.

You need to use facts in your replies and not base your arguments on your predetermined desire to defend the FO.

1. Nowhere have I praised Houston's moves, in fact I'm on record on at least 2 threads mocking them just in the past two days.

2. You're being obtuse if you're telling me that even 1 of Khem Birch, Lamar Stevenson, Cedi Osman, or Barlow could not have been bested by any number of the 182 available free agents heading into free agency.

3. You're completely and repeatedly misrepresenting my position. The only time I've advocated for sending out ANY draft picks was for only ONE 1st to go along with some seconds, McBuckets, and Vassell for Dame, if that would get it done, and if not to not do it. Everyone else would have merely been a signing in free agency. And dude, how many times do I have to repeat: we are STILL under the salary FLOOR (not CAP). And that's with having 1 too many roster spots taken. Nowhere have I advocated blowing up cap space or long term flexibility.

4. And finally, "how is it hard to understand that" my argument is precisely that on a 22 win team something should have come up to better the roster which is my point and complaint. Merely repeating or echoing their plan to run it back is not a defense or rebuttal of my argument. It's just reflexive because you can both run it back and improve the roster simultaneously without too much trouble.

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I guess making any improvement to the roster personnel wise is stratospheric wishing when it comes to the draft and free agency window

(obviously excluding that one guy they drafted)

Thinking that a traded-away second round pick or this shitty crop of free agents makes an improvement to the roster is the very definition of stratospheric wishing.

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Thinking that a traded-away second round pick or this shitty crop of free agents makes an improvement to the roster is the very definition of stratospheric wishing.

And there it is again. Shitty crop of free agents. Evidently all 182 of them. Bad year in free agency. Not a good year to go after free agents.

Meaningless reflexive jibberish.

Could you and the others please inform me and any other parties that are interested, kindly, when is the next crop of non-shitty free agents coming so I can then critique the FO if they don't even make 1 offer after your team wins 22 games?

Evidently, that would really save me lots of pushback on this board. Inquiring minds and all...

[spurraider21]

Thinking that a traded-away second round pick or this shitty crop of free agents makes an improvement to the roster is the very definition of stratospheric wishing.
Damn if only there was a way to change your draft positioning. Like an exchange of assets of sorts. A barter. I’m sure there’s a technical term for it

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You need to use facts in your replies and not base your arguments on your predetermined desire to defend the FO.

I don't particularly give a shit about the front office. That they happen to agree with me is one thing. That they stated exactly what they intended to do and have 100 percent stuck to it is yet another thing. Those things are both facts. I think the young guys are going to develop, moreso with Wemby as the centerpiece. That's an opinion. I want to see that develop for at least a few weeks before giving up roster positions, let alone assets. That's a desire.


1. Nowhere have I praised Houston's moves, in fact I'm on record on at least 2 threads mocking them just in the past two days.

That's hugely hypocritical of you, considering they've been more than willing to trash their own drafted players by chasing names and throwing around money, whether it makes sense or not. They certainly seem to be doing what many of you want the Spurs to do.


2. You're being obtuse if you're telling me that even 1 of Khem Birch, Lamar Stevenson, Cedi Osman, or Barlow could not have been bested by any number of the 182 available free agents heading into free agency.

The Spurs literally just traded for two of those guys, which brings the number of players on the roster to 20, so there are too many guys on the roster as there is. I don't know anything about them. If I stipulate that there are a lot of players that are better than the guys you mentioned, do they fill a need the Spurs have? We don't know. I watched a lot of games last year and I don't know. As for the roster, I have been on record wanting a vet with playoff experience who can lead the younger guys. There may have been someone of those 182 that the Spurs could afford, but wouldn't have the skillset to move the needle, so why would anyone be bent out of shape if it doesn't happen?

By the way, if it came down to any available free agent and Dom Barlow, I'm not cutting Barlow right now.


3. You're completely and repeatedly misrepresenting my position. The only time I've advocated for sending out ANY draft picks was for only ONE 1st to go along with some seconds, McBuckets, and Vassell for Dame, if that would get it done, and if not to not do it. Everyone else would have merely been a signing in free agency. And dude, how many times do I have to repeat: we are STILL under the salary FLOOR (not CAP). And that's with having 1 too many roster spots taken. Nowhere have I advocated blowing up cap space or long term flexibility.
Oh, well then you need to have the Spurs make that call and send you a recording of the laughter on the other end, because that would definitely NOT get it done. It's going to take a huge chunk of the Spurs' draft future to get a guy who is going to be here four years max if he stays healthy. Also, I wouldn't trade Vassell straight up for Lillard right now. Given that Wembanyama is 19, it's retardedly stupid to give up a guy who could give you fifteen more years of 20+ points per game alongside him. All the second-tier free agents from this class wouldn't make up for that loss.

As for the salary floor, I'm not sure why people are getting so excited about it. The Spurs have until the end of October to get there. I'm frankly wearied by talking about it, because I don't give a fuck about salaries. Is that my predetermined desire to defend the front office? If they don't care about having to write a check to the league and miss out on their luxury tax share, I damn sure don't.


4. And finally, "how is it hard to understand that" my argument is precisely that on a 22 win team something should have come up to better the roster which is my point and complaint. Merely repeating or echoing their plan to run it back is not a defense or rebuttal of my argument. It's just reflexive because you can both run it back and improve the roster simultaneously without too much trouble.

I take issue with your contention that this is a 22-win team. They tanked hard. They held guys out with minor injuries, they let young players get a ton of burn, they funneled the ball to the corners on nearly every possession, and they didn't ask a single guy to play defense. Still it was sometimes a task getting lineups to lose games, and many of the losses were due to the shortened lineup running out of gas.

I don't know what else to tell you. I loved watching these guys play last year. I think there is a lot of promise on the roster, as well as a lot of chemistry. I think Victor will fit in perfectly with that. And the Spurs have a ton of cap flexibility and an assload of draft picks for when the right opportunity comes by. I don't see any need to fuck that up just because some of the fans don't see the Spurs mentioned on ESPN enough. I certainly don't see any sure-fire improvements that are worthy of all this debate. Frankly, I'm relieved that we will have actual basketball to talk about for a fucking change so we can let all this bickering die a well-deserved death.

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Damn if only there was a way to change your draft positioning. Like an exchange of assets of sorts. A barter. I’m sure there’s a technical term for it
You mean a trade? Like where the Spurs traded a second round pick for two second round picks, and still got the guy on their draft board? Like that kind of trade?

[spurraider21]

You mean a trade? Like where the Spurs traded a second round pick for two second round picks, and still got the guy on their draft board? Like that kind of trade?
Kinda but in a way that helped the roster. I know. Stratospheric stuff

link to the spurs draft board?

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I don't particularly give a shit about the front office. That they happen to agree with me is one thing. That they stated exactly what they intended to do and have 100 percent stuck to it is yet another thing. Those things are both facts. I think the young guys are going to develop, moreso with Wemby as the centerpiece. That's an opinion. I want to see that develop for at least a few weeks before giving up roster positions, let alone assets. That's a desire.



That's hugely hypocritical of you, considering they've been more than willing to trash their own drafted players by chasing names and throwing around money, whether it makes sense or not. They certainly seem to be doing what many of you want the Spurs to do.



The Spurs literally just traded for two of those guys, which brings the number of players on the roster to 20, so there are too many guys on the roster as there is. I don't know anything about them. If I stipulate that there are a lot of players that are better than the guys you mentioned, do they fill a need the Spurs have? We don't know. I watched a lot of games last year and I don't know. As for the roster, I have been on record wanting a vet with playoff experience who can lead the younger guys. There may have been someone of those 182 that the Spurs could afford, but wouldn't have the skillset to move the needle, so why would anyone be bent out of shape if it doesn't happen?

By the way, if it came down to any available free agent and Dom Barlow, I'm not cutting Barlow right now.


Oh, well then you need to have the Spurs make that call and send you a recording of the laughter on the other end, because that would definitely NOT get it done. It's going to take a huge chunk of the Spurs' draft future to get a guy who is going to be here four years max if he stays healthy. Also, I wouldn't trade Vassell straight up for Lillard right now. Given that Wembanyama is 19, it's retardedly stupid to give up a guy who could give you fifteen more years of 20+ points per game alongside him. All the second-tier free agents from this class wouldn't make up for that loss.

As for the salary floor, I'm not sure why people are getting so excited about it. The Spurs have until the end of October to get there. I'm frankly wearied by talking about it, because I don't give a fuck about salaries. Is that my predetermined desire to defend the front office? If they don't care about having to write a check to the league and miss out on their luxury tax share, I damn sure don't.



I take issue with your contention that this is a 22-win team. They tanked hard. They held guys out with minor injuries, they let young players get a ton of burn, they funneled the ball to the corners on nearly every possession, and they didn't ask a single guy to play defense. Still it was sometimes a task getting lineups to lose games, and many of the losses were due to the shortened lineup running out of gas.

I don't know what else to tell you. I loved watching these guys play last year. I think there is a lot of promise on the roster, as well as a lot of chemistry. I think Victor will fit in perfectly with that. And the Spurs have a ton of cap flexibility and an assload of draft picks for when the right opportunity comes by. I don't see any need to fuck that up just because some of the fans don't see the Spurs mentioned on ESPN enough. I certainly don't see any sure-fire improvements that are worthy of all this debate. Frankly, I'm relieved that we will have actual basketball to talk about for a fucking change so we can let all this bickering die a well-deserved death.


Yeah I'm gonna let this topic die, but I'll leave you with one last parting retort...In the words of Charles Barkley, you are what your record says you are.

[ChumpDumper]

I guess making any improvement to the roster personnel wise is stratospheric wishing when it comes to the draft and free agency window

(obviously excluding that one guy they drafted)Maybe. Depends on your expectations compared to what the Spurs actually planned and what they think of the current roster. A lot of the ideas or improvement are lateral-ish and crash upon the rocks of the Spurs' saying "meh, we're going to see how our huge group of ridiculously young players we spent the last three years accumulating develop with Wemby on the team." They already did a lot of the work you want them to do.

[spurraider21]

Maybe. Depends on your expectations compared to what the Spurs actually planned.
I guess. I was just expecting literally anything at all

[ChumpDumper]

I guess. I was just expecting literally anything at allAnd you literally got things; you just don't like them. That's fair.

[Mr. Body]

Still unclear who these players are the Spurs missed out on.

[dbestpro]

I personally think the Spurs off season was spectacular. Every young player is going to get better on their own and because of Wemby. I really do not like the idea of signing big money contracts to middle of the road players or players on their way down. The youngbloods got this just like the Reds are doing in baseball. First, see what you got and fill in as needed come mid season .

[Mr. Body]

I personally think the Spurs off season was spectacular. Every young player is going to get better on their own and because of Wemby. I really do not like the idea of signing big money contracts to middle of the road players or players on their way down. The youngbloods got this just like the Reds are doing in baseball. First, see what you got and fill in as needed come mid season .

Yuuuuuup.

1. Don't take on bad contracts. In pretty much every case, that means more than one year.
2. Very unlikely to see a FA player who would improve even a bench position without paying too much.
3. Those players weren't there anyway.
4. Team has ~10 players between 19-23. Every one of them is already improving.
5. Keep the powder effing dry for when it's actually needed.

[slick'81]

We all know damn well spurs aren't building through fa. Itll be through trade or drafting that they find that 2nd star. Of course if wemby blows uo free agency might be looking better down the road

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Kinda but in a way that helped the roster. I know. Stratospheric stuff

link to the spurs draft board?

Sorry, that's not the only way trades work. If they trade an asset for more assets it's still a trade.

I know. Stratospheric stuff.

[spurraider21]

Sorry, that's not the only way trades work. If they trade an asset for more assets it's still a trade.

I know. Stratospheric stuff.
i know. i was looking for one that improved the roster.

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i know. i was looking for one that improved the roster.
And that is perfectly reasonable. We all get excited about the draft and about free agency. It seems like we have sent a lot of guys away so it's doubly frustrating. Seeing so much activity for recent Spurs players while the FO stands pat kind of sucks. There is a lot to be excited about with this roster though, and there will be a lot if opportunities going forward. I hope we get a lot of reason to be excited about summer league.

[DPG21920]

Maybe SA would have done some of that if not for Wemby. But Victor changes everything. Let's see who between SA and OKC has the best next decade.

If Wemby is who we think he is I expect Sa to be better. That’s not the point I’m making and a lucky ping pong ball doesn’t change the mentality I’m talking about tbh

[R. DeMurre]

Osman isn't a world beater, but I like him as a role player. He's got all of the characteristics you want in a bench guy: low TOs, not a ball stopper, good assist to TO ratio, not overly foul prone, not expensive. Certainly could be the 7th/8th man on a high quality team.

[slick'81]

Osman isn't a world beater, but I like him as a role player. He's got all of the characteristics you want in a bench guy: low TOs, not a ball stopper, good assist to TO ratio, not overly foul prone, not expensive. Certainly could be the 7th/8th man on a high quality team.

he wasn't terrible on those lebron teams

[ChumpDumper]

He had a few big scoring games against good teams last season. It's not bad having another potential threat from the arc.

[TekXX]

We're tanking again, this is not rocket science. Spurs are going to find Wemby his Manu and Tony thru the draft. God knows we can't get anyone to sign here even if we wanted to.

[ismael-robert]

People mad cause they spend all their free time posting paragraphs of "analysis" on here just for the Spurs to keep doing exact opposite and proving they have no knowledge of Spurs plans...meanwhile I keep telling yall sit back n enjoy the ride...and life

[BackHome]

We're tanking again, this is not rocket science. Spurs are going to find Wemby his Manu and Tony thru the draft. God knows we can't get anyone to sign here even if we wanted to.

The Tank Commanders are taking a much needed break we are reviewing all our options but as the saying goes "Success Breeds Confidence". Well right now we feeling pretty damn confident having just received the number 1 pick and selecting a generational talent WEMBY - So as they say when your shooting if your hot keep shooting until you don't make one...lol...2024 Number 1 Pick or Bust?

Just for Fun have doing the Sims on Tanakthon and out of 20 tries came away with 1st pick 4 times and the second 3 times, and all the remaining in the range of 6 to 8. In almost every mock it has us taking PG, DJ Wagner and Atlanta pick has us picking SG, Ja'Kobe Walter..

[Mr. Body]

He had a few big scoring games against good teams last season. It's not bad having another potential threat from the arc.

There were some really good takes on him in the Cavaliers subreddit. He's very inconsistent, they say, and can lost focus and assignments, but then pick up random steals. Sounds like he can go off some games, then disappear. They hope Pop can work on some of the edges. He's well liked.

[scott]

There is a completely acceptable position here for it to be okay that we are "seeing what we have" while still being skeptical that this FO will eventually do what it takes to push the chips in down the line. Right now, IMO, the FO has earned the benefit of the doubt. However, they will have to do something eventually. They have proven to be great sellers. Let's see how they do as buyers.

[TekXX]

There were some really good takes on him in the Cavaliers subreddit. He's very inconsistent, they say, and can lost focus and assignments, but then pick up random steals. Sounds like he can go off some games, then disappear. They hope Pop can work on some of the edges. He's well liked.

He'll fit in perfect with this team. Hopefully they can plan out which games they're gonna take the night off.

[ambchang]

I also couldn’t understand how a free agent hit her can’t sign a bunch of big name free agents.

[duncan2150]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1677056974943289344

Not one but two secound round picks ? Keep rulin B Wright lol

[spurraider21]

"As part of the trade, the HEAT is exchanging second round picks with the San Antonio Spurs as Miami will receive a 2027 second round pick (least favorable of San Antonio/Houston/Indiana/Miami/Oklahoma City) and the Spurs will receive a 2026 second round pick (least favorable of Oklahoma City/Dallas/Philadelphia) that Miami received in the KZ Okpala trade in 2022.

Additionally, Cedi Osman, Lamar Stevens, cash considerations and a 2030 second round pick (Cleveland’s own) are also going to San Antonio as part of the transaction."

1677057147761307653

[spurraider21]

so yeah, spurs are receiving 2 SRPs, but are also sending one out

[rascal]

The Tank Commanders are taking a much needed break we are reviewing all our options but as the saying goes "Success Breeds Confidence". Well right now we feeling pretty damn confident having just received the number 1 pick and selecting a generational talent WEMBY - So as they say when your shooting if your hot keep shooting until you don't make one...lol...2024 Number 1 Pick or Bust?

Just for Fun have doing the Sims on Tanakthon and out of 20 tries came away with 1st pick 4 times and the second 3 times, and all the remaining in the range of 6 to 8. In almost every mock it has us taking PG, DJ Wagner and Atlanta pick has us picking SG, Ja'Kobe Walter..

Spurs need to tank to get into the top ten and get their PG. There are two or three good options next year in the top ten.

[Chinook]

so yeah, spurs are receiving 2 SRPs, but are also sending one out

Yeah, the Spurs are getting a second from Cleveland and then trading what are likely to both be terrible seconds with Miami in order to "touch" the Heat. Cleveland is likely paying for Stevens' guarantee since they are the one who structured Strus' deal to require his addition.

[CGD]

"As part of the trade, the HEAT is exchanging second round picks with the San Antonio Spurs as Miami will receive a 2027 second round pick (least favorable of San Antonio/Houston/Indiana/Miami/Oklahoma City) and the Spurs will receive a 2026 second round pick (least favorable of Oklahoma City/Dallas/Philadelphia) that Miami received in the KZ Okpala trade in 2022.

Additionally, Cedi Osman, Lamar Stevens, cash considerations and a 2030 second round pick (Cleveland’s own) are also going to San Antonio as part of the transaction."

1677057147761307653

Yeah, the 2 SRPs is misleading. We’re basically swapping picks with Miami, and based on the protections Miami gets the better in the exchange. But whatever.

[spurraider21]

Yeah, the 2 SRPs is misleading. We’re basically swapping picks with Miami, and based on the protections Miami gets the better in the exchange. But whatever.
we still net 1 extra SRP out of it (cleveland's own 2030 SRP)

[RC_Drunkford]

so yeah, spurs are receiving 2 SRPs, but are also sending one out

that's basically a fake trade just to make the trade work. We give you a 2nd, you give us a 2nd. No big deal, getting the 2030 second is key here

[spurraider21]

that's basically a fake trade just to make the trade work. We give you a 2nd, you give us a 2nd. No big deal, getting the 2030 second is key here
yeah, especially since those SRPs that are swapped are both "least favorable between 4-5 team" types

[Kurik]

Good stuff! Thanks for the update!

[timvp]

Yeah, the 2 SRPs is misleading. We’re basically swapping picks with Miami, and based on the protections Miami gets the better in the exchange. But whatever.

Doesn't matter much but it looks like the one San Antonio is getting is better. It's the least favorable of three teams vs. the least favorable of five teams.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Spurs need to tank to get into the top ten and get their PG. There are two or three good options next year in the top ten.
how do you know?
you don't watch ncaa and even more so you don't watch aau games

[Bruno]

While the trade was done to reach the salary floor and to get a second round pick, Spurs also get two players and I don't like their odds at making the roster:
- It's almost sure Stevens will be cut to save some money.
- Osman should fight with Bullock for one roster spot and I think Bullock will be the one to make the roster.

[rankingtear]

^ I think they targeted Cedi , he fits the hole KBD left with more versatility on offense. Bullock is 32+ and a corner 3 wing. Nobody would trade for him at 10 a year.

[Dejounte]

Cedi made his “lets get to work san antonio” post so probably he’s staying here

[Obstructed_View]

Cedi made his “lets get to work san antonio” post so probably he’s staying here

Or he made the post to indicate he is willing to compete for it.

[Dejounte]

Or he made the post to indicate he is willing to compete for it.

Would agree if it wasn’t for the reports about the spurs being interested before this year

[DPG21920]

While the trade was done to reach the salary floor and to get a second round pick, Spurs also get two players and I don't like their odds at making the roster:
- It's almost sure Stevens will be cut to save some money.
- Osman should fight with Bullock for one roster spot and I think Bullock will be the one to make the roster.

True but spurs also have Khem they can trade or cut - lots of options there lol. Will be interesting to see if any other trades happen that take care of this too. Even though I don’t want it 3 salaries for Herro type move takes care of that too.

[spurraider21]

The spurs willing to eat and waive multiple contracts as a means of buying draft picks is certainly a welcome development. Keep it up

[Degoat]

So if the spurs keep Cedi the roster would be

ZC/Bassey/Mamu
Wemby/Sochan/Doug
KJ/Julian/Cedi
Dev/Branham/Sidy?
Tre/Wesley/Graham

[DPG21920]

Spurs need a center imo. So mentally I’m preparing for at least 3 of these 4 guys not being on roster: Cedi, Stevens, Khem, Bullock

[exstatic]

True but spurs also have Khem they can trade or cut - lots of options there lol. Will be interesting to see if any other trades happen that take care of this too. Even though I don’t want it 3 salaries for Herro type move takes care of that too.

Doesn't work for Miami. They need to shed his salary completely (into cap room) to get Dame.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Doesn't work for Miami. They need to shed his salary completely (into cap room) to get Dame.

They don't. What they need is some team to give up a good asset, say a FRP, for Herro, so that they can add it to the offer for Dame, as Portland don't value Herro himself.

[exstatic]

Spurs need a center imo. So mentally I’m preparing for at least 3 of these 4 guys not being on roster: Cedi, Stevens, Khem, Bullock

I think Khem and Stevens are automatic toast one way or another, either by combination trade or waiver.

[exstatic]

They don't. What they need is some team to give up a good asset, say a FRP, for Herro, so that they can add it to the offer for Dame, as Portland don't value Herro himself.

They can't accept Dame's bloated contract with Herro, or any replacement salary for Herro on the books. Portland may be talked into taking ending contracts in lieu of Herro, but that's the only way it works.

[DPG21920]

They can't accept Dame's bloated contract with Herro, or any replacement salary for Herro on the books. Portland may be talked into taking ending contracts in lieu of Herro, but that's the only way it works.

It’s not just about MIA - POR or other teams may be ok taking on expirings vs MIA for example like you said with POR

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Spurs need a center imo. So mentally I’m preparing for at least 3 of these 4 guys not being on roster: Cedi, Stevens, Khem, Bullock
Victor

[exstatic]

Victor

Doesn't want that job. Said so.

[Bruno]

True but spurs also have Khem they can trade or cut - lots of options there lol. Will be interesting to see if any other trades happen that take care of this too.

I think both Birch and Stevens will be cut for sure. The 15th spot will be either Bullock or Osman.

I may have one player more than you on Spurs roster, it's because I'm counting Cissoko in the 15 players roster. Cissoko is under contract with Baskonia and has a buyout. He can't be signed to a two-way contract and there are already 2 sources that said Spurs have offered him a multiyear guaranteed contract.

[DPG21920]

I think both Birch and Stevens will be cut for sure. The 15th spot will be either Bullock or Osman.

I may have one player more than you on Spurs roster, it's because I'm counting Cissoko in the 15 players roster. Cissoko is under contract with Baskonia and has a buyout. He can't be signed to a two-way contract and there are already 2 sources that said Spurs have offered him a multiyear guaranteed contract.

Thats a good point on Sidy…Im also assuming that Spurs trade for or sign another Center too, So I wouldn’t be surprised to see both Cedi and Bullock gone (if theres not a trade is unbalanced)

[SpursGuy91]

I think both Birch and Stevens will be cut for sure. The 15th spot will be either Bullock or Osman.

I may have one player more than you on Spurs roster, it's because I'm counting Cissoko in the 15 players roster. Cissoko is under contract with Baskonia and has a buyout. He can't be signed to a two-way contract and there are already 2 sources that said Spurs have offered him a multiyear guaranteed contract.

Could they theoretically sign him to a training camp deal with the intention of waiving him and then putting him on a two-way? I feel like that would give some roster flexibility if it was possible since he clearly isn’t anywhere ready to play regular NBA minutes

[Obstructed_View]

Would agree if it wasn’t for the reports about the spurs being interested before this year
All the more reason for him to make it clear that he wants to play here. Now that I've said that it occurs to me that he actually has direct access to the team. :lol

[Mr. Body]

Is there any chance they ask Sidy to return to Spain under his current contract for one more year?

[SpursFan86]

Agree with the sentiment that the Spurs need (and will find a way to get) another center. Assuming it's true that they'd really like to avoid having Victor play much at the 5 this year, it's hard to imagine that they'd feel comfortable with a center rotation of Collins/Bassey/Mamu. Even if you want to argue that's a good enough rotation (depends on how you view Bassey/Mamu), the injury history and lack of experience makes it a somewhat scary proposition.

Guess it's possible Birch sticks around but highly doubt it. Barlow has looked good in SL, but again, hardly any NBA experience there. Maybe the Spurs are fine with having a super young group of centers and just seeing who can carve out a legitimate role.

[Bruno]

Could they theoretically sign him to a training camp deal with the intention of waiving him and then putting him on a two-way?

They can't do that. If Spurs pay his buyout, he can't be signed to a two way contract for a year.

You can always imagine some weird scenario where Spurs gave him a guaranteed contract and Cissoko paid his buyout himself with his salary but it might not even be legal since it's using loophole in the CBA. There is also the risk of him being claimed from waivers if he is waived.

[LeBowen]

Agree with the sentiment that the Spurs need (and will find a way to get) another center. Assuming it's true that they'd really like to avoid having Victor play much at the 5 this year, it's hard to imagine that they'd feel comfortable with a center rotation of Collins/Bassey/Mamu. Even if you want to argue that's a good enough rotation (depends on how you view Bassey/Mamu), the injury history and lack of experience makes it a somewhat scary proposition.

Guess it's possible Birch sticks around but highly doubt it. Barlow has looked good in SL, but again, hardly any NBA experience there. Maybe the Spurs are fine with having a super young group of centers and just seeing who can carve out a legitimate role.

Barlow is going to play at center.

Bringing in another center would mean that Bassey and Barlow get no minutes to develop.

There's literally no point in bringing in another generic center like Plumlee because Spurs don't have the pressure to win this season. Bassey and Barlow have shown a lot of promise and deserve a season with solid minutes to get evaluated properly.
If there were any changes at center, I'd upgrade Collins, but bringing in veteran backup serves no purpose.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Doesn't want that job. Said so.
he plays and acts as a center (post-up, screener on p&r and p&p)
you can even call him a point guard, he will still remain a center and will play in linups as the only bigman on the floor

[exstatic]

he plays and acts as a center (post-up, screener on p&r and p&p)
you can even call him a point guard, he will still remain a center and will play in linups as the only bigman on the floor

You and DAFFY86 need to get together and go bowling. Guards post up. Wings set screens.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

You and DAFFY86 need to get together and go bowling. Guards post up. Wings set screens.
guards are also used as a rimprotector on defense, right?

[kobyz]

I think both Birch and Stevens will be cut for sure. The 15th spot will be either Bullock or Osman.

I may have one player more than you on Spurs roster, it's because I'm counting Cissoko in the 15 players roster. Cissoko is under contract with Baskonia and has a buyout. He can't be signed to a two-way contract and there are already 2 sources that said Spurs have offered him a multiyear guaranteed contract.

How he have a contract with Baskonia if he played g league last season?

[exstatic]

guards are also used as a rimprotector on defense, right?

Forwards are. One of the fiercest shot blockers of the last 10-15 years was OKC's Serge Ibaka. And before you try, Kendrick Perkins was their C.

[spurraider21]

Victor
https://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/52/27/26/360_F_252272632_AktibshzaSMfZdNaFJTZNMa8z1u64OP5.j pg

[timvp]

Tbh, this trade looks more meh now due how awesome the Bullock trade was. You have to consider Osman as a long-term member of the team for it to be even close.

Osman does have a really good locker room reputation. First player to arrive at practice, kind to everyone, befriends the janitors type guy :lol

When I took a closer look at his stats, what stood out is he's more of a volume three-point shooter than I thought. He's not quite at Graham's level but he shoots threes more of often than McDermott, Vassell and Keldon. A nice guy who just turned 28 who shoots a lot of threes? Sounds like a pretty good player to keep around Wemby for the next four or five years, tbh.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

https://t3.ftcdn.net/jpg/02/52/27/26/360_F_252272632_AktibshzaSMfZdNaFJTZNMa8z1u64OP5.j pg
your selfie?

[sfernald]

When we get a consolidation trade? Three of our bottom feeders for 4 second round picks pls! WE NEED MOR@PIKS!!!

[spurraider21]

your selfie?
no, just your dumb shtick of posting a clown pic every time someone disagrees with you

[Ariel]

Tbh, this trade looks more meh now due how awesome the Bullock trade was. You have to consider Osman as a long-term member of the team for it to be even close.
Yup, I wonder if it won't keep us from taking advantage of bigger opportunities (for a measly 2nd rounder), but I guess we could pay someone else to dump him (or someone with the necessary salary) if it comes down to that.

[Seventyniner]

The Spurs very well might see Osman as a net positive player they want to keep, at least more so than Bullock. That or they agreed to the Osman trade first and didn't expect the Mavs to offer an unprotected swap with Bullock.

[exstatic]

Yup, I wonder if it won't keep us from taking advantage of bigger opportunities (for a measly 2nd rounder), but I guess we could pay someone else to dump him (or someone with the necessary salary) if it comes down to that.

We needed the salaries to get to the 'floor', even with the follow on Bullock trade.

[sfernald]

The Spurs very well might see Osman as a net positive player they want to keep, at least more so than Bullock. That or they agreed to the Osman trade first and didn't expect the Mavs to offer an unprotected swap with Bullock.

I think they see Osman as a keeper. They've been chasing him for years apparently. They see him as a Spurs kind of player. I would be really surprised if he isn't on the roster starting the season, even not in the rotation would be a surprise to me. Bullock I think might be used when we help out on some future trade (lillard or harden) coming up is my guess.

[Ariel]

We needed the salaries to get to the 'floor', even with the follow on Bullock trade.
Yes, but there's time for that and I was wondering if maybe there's a better opportunity to get to the floor than selling 7M for one 2nd rounder. Say, something like we take Lonzo Ball (2 years, 21M per year) from Chicago and send them their '25 pick (pr. 10-8-8) back for their '26 pick unprotected. That has upside with possibly Cam Boozer and Cooper Flagg entering the draft.

[Mr. Body]

Yes, but there's time for that and I was wondering if maybe there's a better opportunity to get to the floor than selling 7M for one 2nd rounder.

The Rockets are paying the walking corpse of Jeff Green $8 million a season for no apparent reason.

Gotta say the difference between using their cap to acquire ill-fitting pieces and using draft capital to get rid of their own first round picks... and us using cap space to take on more draft assets, I know which one I like.

[DPG21920]

Yes, but there's time for that and I was wondering if maybe there's a better opportunity to get to the floor than selling 7M for one 2nd rounder. Say, something like we take Lonzo Ball (2 years, 21M per year) from Chicago and send them their '25 pick (pr. 10-8-8) back for their '26 pick unprotected. That has upside with possibly Cam Boozer and Cooper Flagg entering the draft.

For sure - its a fair question and I had same reaction when this happened first. Now, with Bullock trade, even though they aren’t “related” Im more ok with Cedi deal retroactively because it showed it was not just about money and taking most basic path for Cedi deal with our cap space in a truly boring and unimaginative way, but that they are open to other things too.

But ya, in a bubble, fair to ask if doing the CLE deal was worth it and I don’t think it was. I would have rather just not gotten the pick there on that one and signed a player in free agency (like McDaniels) that actually may have some legit use and be traded for something better than Sa got from CLE.

Not end of the world, but definitely stuff on the margins that’s worth considering.

[CGD]

Tbh, this trade looks more meh now due how awesome the Bullock trade was. You have to consider Osman as a long-term member of the team for it to be even close.

Osman does have a really good locker room reputation. First player to arrive at practice, kind to everyone, befriends the janitors type guy :lol

When I took a closer look at his stats, what stood out is he's more of a volume three-point shooter than I thought. He's not quite at Graham's level but he shoots threes more of often than McDermott, Vassell and Keldon. A nice guy who just turned 28 who shoots a lot of threes? Sounds like a pretty good player to keep around Wemby for the next four or five years, tbh.

Fair enough, but given Cleveland's track record as one of the most terribly run franchises you take their SRPs and run. They're not as bad a SAC, CHA, or WAS, but they're not far behind. Ask most teams today, and I think folks see that as a pick in the 30s.

They'llturn Cedi into a few other picks too, or include him in a deal to bring back other dead salary at the deadline. My preference right now is a Feb deadline deal for Lonzo Ball and a late CHI FRP.

[Bruno]

The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.

[CGD]

The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.

I also think part of the issue was Boston being cheap. They not only didn’t want to sign Grant, but they didn’t want to add salary. That worked out in the Spurs favor otherwise you’d think Boston would have taken the swap for themselves

[DPG21920]

The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.

True - may have been more opportunistic vs creative from SA side; Dallas had to give this up v Spurs demanding it. Either way it’s good, and accepting it shows an awareness IMO and may unlock some creative thinking moving forward I hope.

[exstatic]

The Osman trade is a classical salary dump trade and the Bullock trade should also have been a classical trade. Mavs should have send a couple of second round picks to Boston for Williams S&T and a couple of second round picks to Spurs to take Bullock.

The "issue" was that Mavs didn't have these 4 second round picks available, so they had to do something else.

It also helped that Dallas was trying to acquire 2 players that were RFA's, Williams and Matisse Thuybulle, and could only sign one to an offer sheet with their available cap room. It's hilarious that after they paid a premium to be able to go after both, Portland matched their offer sheet for Thybulle. :rollin

[scott]

Much like the debate over Doug's contract over the years, I think a lot of people might be overlooking the fact that the Spurs might actually want Cedi.