Trade Rumor: Cedi Osman to Spurs (Edit: Trade complete. Osman, Stevens and a second round pick to Spurs.)

[timvp]

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This is probably worth its own thread. Things to note:

-Strus to the Cavs is being reported as a done deal at $64 million over four years.
-That deal is such a certainty that some sort of agreement on a sign-and-trade has to be close.
-The Cavs have to complete a sign-and-trade to give him that money.
-Osman makes $6.7 million next season and isn't owed any money beyond that amount.
-The Spurs have multiple avenues to absorb his contract.

As it stands, if the Spurs are involved, my guess is they'd receive Osman and wouldn't have to send much back (maybe cash or one of their least valuable second round pick). There's even a chance the Spurs could get cash and/or a second round pick to take on Osman.

It's also noteworthy that the Heat would be involved in this trade and they're looking to dump the contracts of Kyle Lowry (~$30 million) and Victor Oladipo (~$10 million). Could one of those contracts get wrapped up in that trade? Is Osman even good enough to acquire at this point in time when you can be doing more interesting things with your cap space? Who would Osman take minutes away from?

[Mr. Body]

There's no way the Spurs should give up anything to help out this trade. Strictly get capital back only.

[Degoat]

Yeah if the spurs don’t get Lowry or some assets I have no idea why we would absorb Osman. Not worth our time imo

[Chinook]

I've I'm reading this right, the Cavs should be able to complete the Strus trade with JUST Cedi if they stay below the tax. The new rules allow them to take back double his salary. So the Spurs could give the Heat a minor or fake second and get Cedi for cap space/RE, the Cavs can send Cedi to the Spurs and get Strus from Miami, and the Heat can send Strus to Cleveland and get a pick (real or fake) from the Spurs. The Cavs should be able to give cash to cover a lot of Osman's deal, which would basically be free money for the Holts. And they could legit want to keep him, or at least bring him into camp. I do wonder if the knowledge of this is playing into them not bringing Mamu back. Or maybe they're trying to get him to take a two-way? We'll see. Either way, that's a clean structure to this trade.

[Mr. Body]

Osman doesn't matter. The salary matters. And they need to cough up if they want us to help.

[Chinook]

Yeah if the spurs don’t get Lowry or some assets I have no idea why we would absorb Osman. Not worth our time imo

If the Spurs are just taking him into cap space they don't intend to use, then just cash would be a win for ownership. If they take him into the RE, then that logic doesn't hold up and it would have to be a matter of them thinking he's a rotation player.

[Seventyniner]

This doesn't seem to be anything major to me, unless the deal morphs into something much bigger to involve someone like Lowry.

Osman was a rotation player on the East #3 seed last year, but his stats don't stand out and the Cavs seem to view him as expendable. The 3 spot seems a bit crowded already.

[CGD]

It seems we are needed to make this possible, so not clear why we’d need to give up anything of value. I assume it’s because MIA doesn’t want to take on any salary to facilitate the S&T and CLE has cap and/roster constraints that mean they can’t outright sign him. Cedí is not an asset at this time, other than perhaps helping get to the floor.

[scott]

timvp I seem to recall you reporting a few years ago that the Spurs had their eyes on Osman going into the trade deadline. Could this be a pet player the Spurs have had their eyes on for awhile and now see a way to get him for cheap/free?

[Mr. Body]

Oladipo traded to OKC. Possibly related as a salary dump.

[Marcus Bryant]

Get more picks.

[slick'81]

The more 2nd's the better

[Chinook]

Oladipo traded to OKC. Possibly related as a salary dump.

If it's yet another salary dump the Spurs didn't get into, this is just going to get more interesting. There's a huge incentive for the Spurs to do something salary wise, SA and MIA have a great relationship, and this deal makes it less likely that the Heat see moving Lowry as desirable outside of a big trade.

[MultiTroll]

a pet player
Nooooo

Oh wait, for free?

[timvp]

timvp I seem to recall you reporting a few years ago that the Spurs had their eyes on Osman going into the trade deadline. Could this be a pet player the Spurs have had their eyes on for awhile and now see a way to get him for cheap/free?

It's possible ... but, by now, it's pretty much set in stone that Osman is basically a replacement level player. I can't imagine the Spurs still see possible upside in him.

[scott]

Here is the only article I could find on the Spurs being rumored to have interest in Osman back in 2022: https://airalamo.com/posts/would-cedi-osman-move-the-needle-for-san-antonio-spurs

[Mr. Body]

I think the Oladipo trade gets Miami in place to carry this trade without the Spurs. I don't get what the Heat get out of Cleveland. Another exception?

[DPG21920]

Cedi for no picks back is stupid as hell and SA should not be doing things for money only….they have a legit asset (cap space) and need to use if for something meaningful (players who help and/or are trade able or absorbing deals for legit picks)

[CGD]

I think the Oladipo trade gets Miami in place to carry this trade without the Spurs. I don't get what the Heat get out of Cleveland. Another exception?

They probably don’t want to carry 7M of Cedi for doing the favor of a S&T. I think CLE needs to move off Cedi’s too.

[Mr. Body]

They probably don’t want to carry 7M of Cedi for doing the favor of a S&T. I think CLE needs to move off Cedi’s too.

My question is why Miami would bother with a S&T at all.

[Chinook]

My question is why Miami would bother with a S&T at all.

At $14-Million TE is pretty handy for a team calling itself a contender. They'd have two mid-sized TEs after this, and it's possible they could time the trades where those guys provide most of the ballast to get them Harden.

[Mr. Body]

I don't think you can combine exceptions, can you?

[objective]

After cutting Birth and supposedly giving Cissoko a full deal, adding Osman would only leave 1 roster spot, right?

[Vic Petro]

Osman sucks and I’d think there’s gotta be a better use of the cap space than absorbing this deal for a shitty pick.

[Chinook]

I don't think you can combine exceptions, can you?

You cannot, but none of these players are traded yet. So they can combine the outgoing salaries of Strus and Oladipo along with their current players to use to match Harden or Lillard and then just do everything as one big old trade.

[BatManu20]

Cedi for no picks back is stupid as hell and SA should not be doing things for money only….they have a legit asset (cap space) and need to use if for something meaningful (players who help and/or are trade able or absorbing deals for legit picks)

Seconded. Cedi is a JAG. This would be terrible unless we were getting a valuable FRP in return. Otherwise hard pass.

[Mr. Body]

So, we've had two salary absorptions that the Spurs ostensibly could have been in:

- Joe Harris to Detroit for two seconds
- Oladipo to OKC for... something

At this point, I don't think SAS crosses the street for less than a first round pick. But that's me. Miami and Thunder may remove protections on a pick the Heat owe them. This frees Miami to do swaps/trade another first if going after Harden or Lillard.

Other part:

- Miami and Cleveland have more or less 'officially' made the Max Strus trade, although it's not possible due to their salaries.

Not sure what that means beyond conviction they can get it done with a third party.

It certainly seems like the Spurs can act as a semi-broker. It seems like Harden is the only big piece on the move at this point.

[timvp]

Seconded. Cedi is a JAG. This would be terrible unless we were getting a valuable FRP in return. Otherwise hard pass.

For a $6.7 million salary dump, the very most you can hope to get is a second round pick, unfortunately.

[tbdog]

Bertans salary cost only two places up. I expect a 7mil salary dump is a second.

[Mr. Body]

It's too much to think the Spurs have been holding position waiting to take on some middling Turk for a second rounder, isn't it?

[Mr. Body]

Bertans salary cost only two places up. I expect a 7mil salary dump is a second.

Amounts matter less than opportunity. Those two draft places were highly competitive/for a certain player. If no one else can facilitate the trade for Cleveland/Miami, the amount matters less than the facilitator's willingness.

[DPG21920]

If all they can get is a mid 2nd, just move on and wait for more or spend that money on a player that’s at least semi useful (McDaniels)

[Bruno]

Since getting true assets (first round picks) seems to be off the table, I like Spurs to take as little salary as possible to reach the salary floor. It's especially nice to keep all that 2024-2025 cap space byt taking an expiring contract.

Before FA Spurs were $26.1M below the floor with 4 or 5 roster spots (depending if Birch is waived).

If they front-load Tre Jones and Champagnie contracts, their 2023-2024 combined salaries would be $13.6M. Cedi Osman salary is $6.7M. They would be $5.8M below the floor with 1 or 2 roster spots.

$5.8M could be done with Mamu and Cissoko but they could also add a vet PF/C

[poopbox]

I wonder how many times are the spurs going to have to not be involved in these "3rd" team deals for people to realize they not every going to be the 3rd team tbh

[CGD]

My question is why Miami would bother with a S&T at all.

Is there any indication whether it’s, CLE, or MIA, that needs it to be a S&T? Like cap or roster considerations? Saw the reporting that they were trying to move Cedi over the past week.

But otherwise, I agree, I wonder if MIA got the TE they many have wanted in the Olidepo move.

[SpursFan86]

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It’s official. Spurs get Osman, Lamar Stevens, and a 2nd rounder.

[FlAVaK]

Done deal:

Cedi Osman, Lamar Stevens and a 2nd

[mo7888]

I don't like that trade unless there's a significant followup one. Using our final roster spots on cedi and stevens seems wasteful

[Degoat]

Done deal!

[LeBowen]

The big move we all waited for.

In all seriousness, doesn't get more Spurs-y than this.

Osman will earn $6.7M next season and Stevens is on $1.9M, both expiring.
$8.6M closer to the floor.

[duncan2150]

I don't like that trade unless there's a significant followup one. Using our final roster spots on cedi and stevens seems wasteful

Agreed, imo stevens will be cut but i prefer to use a roster spot on a lot of players instead of Osman who is an average average player.

[DPG21920]

Stevens isn’t a terrible get at that price. Nothing to get overly excited or mad about. Waive Cedi please.

[rankingtear]

That is 5mil from floor. And 21-31 in capspace left. This makes sure that they hit the floor without giving bloated 1 year contracts might even just restructure Tre and/or Julian deal a little.

[SpursFan86]

We have to give up something right? Are you allowed to participate in a trade and just bring in assets without giving up anything at all?

[Spurs Brazil]

I think the Spurs will cut Stevens or Birch to open a roster spot.

[r0drig0lac]

woj bomb

[duncan2150]

I think the Spurs will cut Stevens or Birch to open a roster spot.

i guess both will be cut

[spurraider21]

I was actually just thinking we need more second rounders

[kobyz]

Sidy Cissoko should model his game after Cedi

[Em-City]

man this kinda sucks.

[slick'81]

I was actually just thinking we need more second rounders


you can never have enough

[RC_Drunkford]

Stevens contract is not guaranteed, it's a team option. Did the Cavs exercise it or does the contract still count from last season? If so the Spurs just don't have to exercise the option and he'd be off the books

*edit:

The Cavaliers are picking up their minimum-salary team option on forward Lamar Stevens (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/stevela01.html?utm_medium=linker&utm_source=www.hoopsrumors.com&utm_campaign=2023-06-23_bbr) for the 2023/24 season, according to Shams Charania of The Athletic (Twitter link (https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1672249286266896388)).

Ok we gotta pay the salary. Hopefully they'll cut him

[Uriel]

I find it so bizarre that our modus operandi seems to be acquiring second round picks, which are next to worthless. It’s like hoarding a bunch of pennies.

[cutewizard]

How much money do we have left?

[onechance87]

I find it so bizarre that our modus operandi seems to be acquiring second round picks, which are next to worthless. It’s like hoarding a bunch of pennies.

Its worth alot to the owners who can make cash off of them

[mo7888]

How much money do we have left?

$5M to reach the floor and between $21 and $30M in cap space.

[DPG21920]

What I would like to see:

1) Waive Cedi and Stevens and keep it moving and spend money on some guys like McDaniels or Plumlee that serve better role or have some upside

2) Trade McDermott if you are going to keep Cedi for something more valuable pick wise

Don’t hate the deal as is, but would prefer if they parlay it into something like the above

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It’s official. Spurs get Osman, Lamar Stevens, and a 2nd rounder.

Romeo Langford is better than Cedi all day everyday. This move is pointless. I'm sure they waive one or both for a 2nd round useless pick. This was about the money. Boo this man.

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Its worth alot to the owners who can make cash off of them

So, Murica, then. Not like they weren't already going to tge bank just from having Wembanyama on the team.

[offset formation]

I find it so bizarre that our modus operandi seems to be acquiring second round picks, which are next to worthless. It’s like hoarding a bunch of pennies.

This man gets it.

[RC_Drunkford]

can we package them to NOLA for Valanciunas? Could also be that we aquired them to package them as part of the Sixers/Clippers deal for James Harden and we get Zubac. Those players like Osman and Stevens are the type of contracts luxury tax teams are bringing in since they don't have money to sign anybody.

[Rubberducky]

Looks like it’s the Cavs 2030 second going to the Spurs.

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can we package them to NOLA for Valanciunas? Could also be that we aquired them to package them as part of the Sixers/Clippers deal for James Harden and we get Zubac. Those players like Osman and Stevens are the type of contracts luxury tax teams are bringing in since they don't have money to sign anybody.

Maybe if we send them 14 2nd rounders and Cedi.

[Dex]

Yeah, kind of meh on this deal and it potentially blocks the Spurs from making bigger moves (although we have obviously learned not to expect much in free agency)

At least Cedi only has a year left on his contract so if he's a bad fit, Spurs can easily move on.

[Degoat]

It’s a so-so deal for me, Osman is a good wing will be solid off the bench and will be a good filler incase of injuries or rest for guys. But we need another Big still can’t simply rely on Bassey as the backup

[rjv]

Perhaps the Spurs had no real interest in any of the FAs out there and
are just going to hold on to some salary for a year.

[Philthemage]

I find it so bizarre that our modus operandi seems to be acquiring second round picks, which are next to worthless. It’s like hoarding a bunch of pennies.

When the second apron kicks in, I think we are going to see top heavy teams scramble to fill out their rosters with these lower salary second rounders.

[duncan2150]

It’s a so-so deal for me, Osman is a good wing will be solid off the bench and will be a good filler incase of injuries or rest for guys. But we need another Big still can’t simply rely on Bassey as the backup

Imo Spurs will sign one or two players with a back up C as the priority. Plumlee, Bamba..... something like that

[jeebus]

Purely a move to get the the cap floor. Re sign Mamu, maybe a half assed run at a one or two year deal for Brock Lopez, and call it an off season. See what this team can do next season then make the big moves next off season

[Bruno]

It isn't a basketball trade, it's a financial trade. Spurs' goal is to reach the salary floor and they're now $4M or $5M below it.

This trade likely also means Spurs have no interest in signing one of the top remaining FA to a contract. I guess it's all about giving all the playing time to the young players.

[spurraider21]

Think we already had something like 13 incoming second rounders through 2029. Diminishing returns at this point

not a fan of this imo if it prevents us from making more impactful moves

[rjv]

Since I wasn’t crazy about this year’s FA class to begin with, I’m okay with managing cap
space for bigger fish down the road. Rockets can spend all they want on the so called top
tier of this non top tier selection

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Purely a move to get the the cap floor. Re sign Mamu, maybe a half assed run at a one or two year deal for Brock Lopez, and call it an off season. See what this team can do next season then make the big moves next off season

But this move doesn't get them to the cap floor. Only closer. They could have just had more money to throw at a FA instead.

Oh but we get a 2nd and probably cash considerations

[rankingtear]

People complaining we have too much draft capital. Poverty franchise.

[Eaglenole2002]

Is Twitter down for anyone else? Tweets won’t load, but I’m still getting notifications from Woj and Shams.

[Cabrito]

If Osman has a role, it’s that he has experience of being on a bad team that turned into a playoff team as a rotational piece. Something our young team will need to do. We need vets.

[Mr. Body]

The sort of trade that would net a first rounder but those aren't available any longer.

Osman has size and isn't bad, can platoon off the bench and Cavs fans seem to think he's pretty good.not an earthshaker but can help a transition year.

Never too many SRPs especially since they can be used in many ways and by 2030 it may be much harder to improve our contending team.

[HankChinaski]

I'm okay with the trade. We take on salary to get closer to the cap off.

[buujness]

Is Twitter down for anyone else? Tweets won’t load, but I’m still getting notifications from Woj and Shams.Yep, I'm having that issue too.

[leo07251413]

Is Twitter down for anyone else? Tweets won’t load, but I’m still getting notifications from Woj and Shams.

Twitter is currently broken it seems, just when I wanna see how the Spurs beat-writers/reporters think about this trade lol.

[jeebus]

But this move doesn't get them to the cap floor. Only closer. They could have just had more money to throw at a FA instead.

Oh but we get a 2nd and probably cash considerations

I know, I worded it poorly. That's why I said re sign Mamu and hopefully that gets us there.

[spurraider21]

Lol Elmo running Twitter into the ground

[DPG21920]

Agree with Bruno. Questionable decision making though by spurs. Even if you don’t really like a Fa signing someone like Grant Williams with your space to help you get to floor if only ti trade later nets you a better player + better pick later

[Bruno]

Another really important aspect of that trade is that both players have expiring contracts. Next summer could have something like $70M in cap space and it might the moment Spurs decide to build a contender.

[jeebus]

Twitter is currently broken it seems, just when I wanna see how the Spurs beat-writers/reporters think about this trade lol.

Twitter works for me. Orsborn just posted details, no thoughts. Haven't seen anything from anyone else.

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It isn't a basketball trade, it's a financial trade. Spurs' goal is to reach the salary floor and they're now $4M or $5M below it.

This trade likely also means Spurs have no interest in signing one of the top remaining FA to a contract. I guess it's all about giving all the playing time to the young players.

Yup, agree. And this stuff might fly the first year or two but I want to make a bigger point here regarding Wembanyama.

He's made it crystal clear he wants to win and do so early and often in his career. He's said stuff about not playing a really long career like Lebron and stuff (maybe because he's aware his body may not hold up that long).

So, If he detects a front office unwilling to spend big bucks or unable to haul in the big FA as has been our history -- though I would expect Wembanyama to start drawing in some more interested parties in the future at least if he stays healthy -- then he's more likely to bolt when he can. And yes we'd be able to match and keep him here for at least 7 years but that might be right when he's in beast mode.

So while he clearly wanted to go to the Spurs of the teams that were going to be eligible to draft him, he clearly is intrigued by the Lakers and the biggest stages. He was asked yesterday if he wanted to play in the Sumner League in Sacramento and he said that yes he wanted to (sounds like he was talked out of it) because it would have been his first time to play the Lakers. Not the Lakers with Lebron and of Hollywood mind you. But the Lakers in Sacramento with scrubs. Why? Because he's talking about the jersey. When he was asked on his presentation tour if the Spurs were his favorite team growing up he basically said no by saying that he really liked some of our players but he liked a few teams. I can guarantee you the glitz and glamorous Lakers were one of them.

So all I'm saying here is we can't be seen as being ultra conservative and unwilling to go dpend some money by our 19 year old generational talent.

[RC_Drunkford]

Another really important aspect of that trade is that both players have expiring contracts. Next summer could have something like $70M in cap space and it might the moment Spurs decide to build a contender.

no they won't. Next years FA class is weak too. Secondly Vassell's extension should kick in then (if he gets extended) which basically offsets Birch, Graham and Osman coming off the books.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Maybe if we send them 14 2nd rounders and Cedi.

I believe that would still leave us 8 SRPs. It’s hard to keep up with them.

[spurraider21]

Lakers really gonna keep Reaves for MLE money…

[jeebus]

Yup, agree. And this stuff might fly the first year or two but I want to make a bigger point here regarding Wembanyama.

He's made it crystal clear he wants to win and do so early and often in his career. He's said stuff about not playing a really long career like Lebron and stuff (maybe because he's aware his body may not hold up that long).

So, If he detects a front office unwilling to spend big bucks or unable to haul in the big FA as has been our history -- though I would expect Wembanyama to start drawing in some more interested parties in the future at least if he stays healthy -- then he's more likely to bolt when he can. And yes we'd be able to match and keep him here for at least 7 years but that might be right when he's in beast mode.

So while he clearly wanted to go to the Spurs of the teams that were going to be eligible to draft him, he clearly is intrigued by the Lakers and the biggest stages. He was asked yesterday if he wanted to play in the Sumner League in Sacramento and he said that yes he wanted to (sounds like he was talked out of it) because it would have been his first time to play the Lakers. Not the Lakers with Lebron and of Hollywood mind you. But the Lakers in Sacramento with scrubs. Why? Because he's talking about the jersey. When he was asked on his presentation tour if the Spurs were his favorite team growing up he basically said no by saying that he really liked some of our players but he liked a few teams. I can guarantee you the glitz and glamorous Lakers were one of them.

So all I'm saying here is we can't be seen as being ultra conservative and unwilling to go dpend some money by our 19 year old generational talent.

Wow lol. Free agency this year is full of scrubs. Why go out and piss away money on a bloated contract on someone who isn't worth it. And that's quite the assumption that you think Wemby wants to play for the Lakers. He wants to win, not be Carmelo Anthony 2.0. He knows the process, he knows the Spurs have sped up their rebuild from 4-5 years to 1-2 years. Just calm down bro.

[CGD]

Great piece of business here. 7M for a distant SRP from one of the teams with a historically shitty FOs. That’s EXACTLY the type of team you want picks from, even SRPs.

Don’t get all the lamenting. The spurs have been telegraphing their strategy since we won’t the lotto.

[Ariel]

Second Rounders owned by Spurs:
'24 (3): own + Lakers + best of Chicago/New Orleans
'25 (3): own + Chicago + Toronto
'26 (3): own w/swap w/worst of Indiana/Miami + worst of New Orleans/Portland + Utah
'27 (2): own + worst of OKC/Houston/Indiana/Miami
'28 (5): own + Miami + New Orleans + Denver (protected 31-33) + Minnesota
'29 (2): own + New Orleans
'30 (2): own + Cleveland
TOTAL: 20
Yes... 20 second round picks!!!

[EricB]

Think we already had something like 13 incoming second rounders through 2029. Diminishing returns at this point

not a fan of this imo if it prevents us from making more impactful moves


lol what impactful moves?

they have already stated they’re running back the same team.

What’s hard to understand about this?

[EricB]

Romeo Langford is better than Cedi all day everyday. This move is pointless. I'm sure they waive one or both for a 2nd round useless pick. This was about the money. Boo this man.


romeo Langford couldn’t stay healthy in a padded cell, so Osman is already better than him right away.

lol @ people thinking they were going for it this year. You guys don’t pay attention at all.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Wemby says he wants to win and win soon. So this front office wanders around picking pennies off the ground.

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Wow lol. Free agency this year is full of scrubs. Why go out and piss away money on a bloated contract on someone who isn't worth it. And that's quite the assumption that you think Wemby wants to play for the Lakers. He wants to win, not be Carmelo Anthony 2.0. He knows the process, he knows the Spurs have sped up their rebuild from 4-5 years to 1-2 years. Just calm down bro.


I think anyone reading tea leaves can tell he's intrigued by the Lakers. He wanted to play their scrubs in the Summer League...in Sacramento. Lol.

And I'm perfectly calm bro. I'm also not burying my head in the sand about showing our young superstar that we are able and willing to spend money on say a Brook Lopez or other player to help make the team better.

Answer this question, will Wembanyama be cool playing on a team that finishes under .500 this next year when he's talking about ringing soon and often? And when we barely reach the salary floor?

Final point. There a poster here, name eludes me now, that basically already said his third contract would be signed elsewhere I gather from stuff he heard or read.

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romeo Langford couldn’t stay healthy in a padded cell, so Osman is already better than him right away.

lol @ people thinking they were going for it this year. You guys don’t pay attention at all.

Going for it and playing sub .500 ball, which is a possibility, are two different worlds.

And Romeo when healthy is a far superior player but I'll grant you his health is problematic.

[NASpurs]

Second Rounders owned by Spurs:
'24 (3): own + Lakers + best of Chicago/New Orleans
'25 (3): own + Chicago + Toronto
'26 (3): own w/swap w/worst of Indiana/Miami + worst of New Orleans/Portland + Utah
'27 (2): own + worst of OKC/Houston/Indiana/Miami
'28 (5): own + Miami + New Orleans + Denver (protected 31-33) + Minnesota
'29 (2): own + New Orleans
'30 (2): own + Cleveland
TOTAL: 20
Yes... 20 second round picks!!!




What's the conversion rate of 20 2nd rounders? How many Schrute bucks is that?

[Ariel]

What's the conversion rate of 20 2nd rounders? How many Schrute bucks is that?
We're 10 picks away from owning the equivalent of an entire 2nd round class :lol

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

What's the conversion rate of 20 2nd rounders? How many Schrute bucks is that?

I heard two second rounders gets you a marinated brisket at HEB.

[Bruno]

no they won't. Next years FA class is weak too. Secondly Vassell's extension should kick in then (if he gets extended) which basically offsets Birch, Graham and Osman coming off the books.

Spurs might sign Vassel next summer to a new contract after having used their cap space. Even if he signs this summer a $100M+ extension, Spurs will still have something like $60M in cap space next summer.

I haven't looked at the 2024 FA class, maybe you're right it's a weak class.

[rascal]

The FO in ultra conservative mode.

[Chinook]

Not a fan of Stevens getting included unless the Spurs actually wanted him. He wasn't necessary, and it takes them out of using the RE for this trade. But they can still create whatever space they want by trading Birch. We'll see.

[rascal]

Going for it and playing sub .500 ball, which is a possibility, are two different worlds.

And Romeo when healthy is a far superior player but I'll grant you his health is problematic.

Neither Romeo nor Osman make any difference in team win totals.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spurs are looking at this one as salary filler and now they're hoping to get a proven contributing vet on a short-term deal. (My hope anyway, because if this is it, their FA period work earns a D, and they only get above an F because I like Trey.)

[CGD]

What's the conversion rate of 20 2nd rounders? How many Schrute bucks is that?

God bless you and your reference.

Not sure about Schrute bucks, but it’s seems today to be four SRPs to dump sizable salaries like Devonte Graham. So load up!

[Mr. Body]

Lamar Stevens is well liked by Cavs fans. A junkyard dog, intense competitor type, good defender but not on the other end.

[CGD]

The FO in ultra conservative mode.

What would you have them do exactly? It’s a shitty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…

[LeBowen]

Spurs are looking at this one as salary filler and now they're hoping to get a proven contributing vet on a short-term deal. (My hope anyway, because if this is it, their FA period work earns a D, and they only get above an F because I like Trey.)

Which FA you think Spurs missed on, considering the deals they got?

There wasn't a single realistic target on FA market.

Reaves, McDaniels and Brook would be good additions, they haven't signed yet.

[DPG21920]

What would you have them do exactly? It’s a shitty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…

Ya. Only things I would prefer are signing someone like McDaniels that’s at least a little interesting and/or sign a legit better player that’s more expensive with goal of flipping later. Both better options imo.

If Sa waives these guys I like deal more.

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Neither Romeo nor Osman make any difference in team win totals.

Perhaps not, although thsts not what Im arguing. I'm arguing that a Brook Lopez would. I'm also arguing that merely showing youre making an offer for AR would show not only the fan base but your players (one in particular) that you're going to start ramping up the talent moving forward.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What would you have them do exactly? It’s a shitty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…

If they aren't worried about cap room to sign anyone then at least making the Lakers swallow a poison pill to keep Reaves is good strategy, especially when Fakers tampered with nephew and will be competing with the Spurs in free agency in 2025.

But the nicest front office in the league appears to be hellbent on securing that mythical nice guy trophy for yet another year.

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Which FA you think Spurs missed on, considering the deals they got?

There wasn't a single realistic target on FA market.

Reaves, McDaniels and Brook would be good additions, they haven't signed yet.


True but there's not been a single media source I can find that we've extended an offer sheet to Reaves. Or that we offered Brook. Or McDaniels for that matter. But there was chatter yesterday about us being part of a 3 team trade with Cedi and a 2nd being the loot. And it happened. So I'm guessing it would have leaked if we were extending offers

[TrueSpursFan]

Serious question. I keep hearing that the Lakers will match any offer for Reaves. What if a team offered him a max contract, could the Lakers even match that?

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Not a fan of Stevens getting included unless the Spurs actually wanted him. He wasn't necessary, and it takes them out of using the RE for this trade. But they can still create whatever space they want by trading Birch. We'll see.

You're selling this deal short Chinook. You're forgetting the 2030 2nd round pick. If you d been reading the board it was another brilliant move by BWright

[LeBowen]

True but there's not been a single media source I can find that we've extended an offer sheet to Reaves. Or that we offered Brook. Or McDaniels for that matter. But there was chatter yesterday about us being part of a 3 team trade with Cedi and a 2nd being the loot. And it happened. So I'm guessing it would have leaked if we were extending offers

Well, Spurs are usually good at preventing any leaks, I don't see any reason to panic.
Imo, Reaves or McDaniels would be good additions, but unless we can add an actual star, nothing really matters that much this offseason. It's just about if Wemby and other young guys can live up to the hype.


Serious question. I keep hearing that the Lakers will match any offer for Reaves. What if a team offered him a max contract, could the Lakers even match that?

They can offer 50 something million at the most, but they can match any offers up to 100/4 that's his max. And most reports are saying that they'll match anything, so the best thing Spurs can do is make Lakers waste some money.

[TrueSpursFan]

They can offer 50 something million at the most, but they can match any offers up to 100/4 that's his max. And most reports are saying that they'll match anything, so the best thing Spurs can do is make Lakers waste some money.

so 100/4 is the max any team can offer him? And Lakers have that in cap space to not reach the second apron?

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Well, Spurs are usually good at preventing any leaks, I don't see any reason to panic.
Imo, Reaves or McDaniels would be good additions, but unless we can add an actual star, nothing really matters that much this offseason. It's just about if Wemby and other young guys can live up to the hype.



They can offer 50 something million at the most, but they can match any offers up to 100/4 that's his max. And most reports are saying that they'll match anything, so the best thing Spurs can do is make Lakers waste some money.

Yeah I wasn't expecting any leak to come from the Spurs end at all. But agents, players, friends, associates, and other front offices are quite porous just like how we found out about this Cedi trade yesterday before it happened.

[SpursFan86]

lol @ people thinking they were going for it this year. You guys don’t pay attention at all.

What a disingenuous way to frame people’s thoughts here :lol

There is a massive middle ground between “let’s try to win the title this year” and “fuck it let’s just make no moves at all and spend money on guys we won’t even use for the sake of hitting the cap floor”.

I don’t think anyone paying attention would expect to see the Spurs completely shake up their roster. No shit. But when the FO said “we want to see what we have” I think most people didn’t take that as “we will literally roll into next year with the exact squad”. Is bringing in one meaningful rotational vet like Lopez going to prevent them from evaluating the roster?

It’s still early in FA so we’ll see how it plays out but it’ll be pretty frustrating if they really do just burn money on no one meaningful just to end up reaching the floor.

[Cabrito]

The Cavs just guaranteed the contract of Osman a couple of days ago, only to unload him while sending out a draft pick to do so. This board would be going bananas had the Spurs front office done that, regardless of how many 2nd round picks we have in our pockets.

[TrueSpursFan]

Yeah I wasn't expecting any leak to come from the Spurs end at all. But agents, players, friends, associates, and other front offices are quite porous just like how we found out about this Cedi trade yesterday before it happened.

but that involved 2 other teams so the likelihood of it getting leaked was high. Plus those teams are not so secretive as the spurs. When you’re dealing with the spurs and a players camp only, there’s a good chance you can keep that quite.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Serious question. I keep hearing that the Lakers will match any offer for Reaves. What if a team offered him a max contract, could the Lakers even match that?

They won’t match anything above 100M

[rascal]

What would you have them do exactly? It’s a shitty FA class. No way they’re paying FVV or Jakob those inflated salaries, and the Lakers will match Reaves so what’s the point. Maybe Brooke…

Why save cap space for years if you never intend to use it because salaries are too high. The Spurs should have made a strong move on draft day to get a young PG but they have already decided to just run back the same team with the addition of Wemby.

[LeBowen]

so 100/4 is the max any team can offer him? And Lakers have that in cap space to not reach the second apron?

Yeah, others can offer 100/4, Lakers can match it, but Reaves can't get more than 51/4 from the Lakers themselves. So it's in his best interest for another team to force the Lakers to match an offer higher than 51/4.

Don't really know about their cap space after all these FA deals.

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The Cavs just guaranteed the contract of Osman a couple of days ago, only to unload him while sending out a draft pick to do so. This board would be going bananas had the Spurs front office done that, regardless of how many 2nd round picks we have in our pockets.

They were probably asked to do so, so that when we took him it impacted our salary floor whether he's waived or not

[slick'81]

We want all the 2nds

[spurraider21]

lol what impactful moves?

they have already stated they’re running back the same team.

What’s hard to understand about this?
I understand the plan. I don’t like it

[rascal]

What a disingenuous way to frame people’s thoughts here :lol

There is a massive middle ground between “let’s try to win the title this year” and “fuck it let’s just make no moves at all and spend money on guys we won’t even use for the sake of hitting the cap floor”.

I don’t think anyone paying attention would expect to see the Spurs completely shake up their roster. No shit. But when the FO said “we want to see what we have” I think most people didn’t take that as “we will literally roll into next year with the exact squad”. Is bringing in one meaningful rotational vet like Lopez going to prevent them from evaluating the roster?

It’s still early in FA so we’ll see how it plays out but it’ll be pretty frustrating if they really do just burn money on no one meaningful just to end up reaching the floor.

I do believe the Spurs will just burn enough money to reach the financial floor on no one who will make much of a difference(although whoever they bring in, some here will still say it's such a great roster upgrade move)in more of a financial move than a roster upgrade move.

[KobesAchilles]

We are making that offer to Reaves.

[Mr. Body]

The Cavs just guaranteed the contract of Osman a couple of days ago, only to unload him while sending out a draft pick to do so. This board would be going bananas had the Spurs front office done that, regardless of how many 2nd round picks we have in our pockets.

Yesterday I pointed out how we got a second round pick and a first round pick for DeRozan, who was a free agent and leaving anyway, while Toronto has lost a glob of players for nothing including FVV.

Too many people around here are just straight up idiots.

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We want all the 2nds

*all* of them evidently.

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We are making that offer to Reaves.

Well hot damn. Source?

[spurraider21]

Lamar Stevens is well liked by Cavs fans. A junkyard dog, intense competitor type, good defender but not on the other end.
So he’s this years langford

[T Park]

I understand the plan. I don’t like it

yeah they should've blown the money on Fred Van Vleet no question

[spurraider21]

yeah they should've blown the money on Fred Van Vleet no question
Our only options this year were vanvleet or the cedi trade

[timvp]

Don't love the trade but it's just about the safest salary dump I've ever seen. Osman is already a decent deal at $6.7 million. Maybe overpaid by a couple million but he has a real chance of cracking the rotation. Stevens' contract is mostly unguaranteed. I've seen him play good defense so it's not impossible for him to make the team. Getting a second rounder to take those two players on is easily worth it.

Now, yeah, the fact that this trade signals that the Spurs won't do anything this summer kind of sucks, tbh. Was there literally no one the Spurs were interested in at $7 million?

[T Park]

Our only options this year were vanvleet or the cedi trade


Well sit there and pout maybe that will make everything better

[spurraider21]

Well sit there and pout maybe that will make everything better
The purpose of a message board like this is to share opinions.

[T Park]

Don't love the trade but it's just about the safest salary dump I've ever seen. Osman is already a decent deal at $6.7 million. Maybe overpaid by a couple million but he has a real chance of cracking the rotation. Stevens' contract is mostly unguaranteed. I've seen him play good defense so it's not impossible for him to make the team. Getting a second rounder to take those two players on is easily worth it.

Now, yeah, the fact that this trade signals that the Spurs won't do anything this summer kind of sucks, tbh. Was there literally no one the Spurs were interested in at $7 million?


according to Marks they still have 25 million

so this trade hasnt killed anything more

[T Park]

The purpose of a message board like this is to share opinions.


The hell you say

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Would like to see an offer for any of Thybulle, DiVencenzo, Plumlee if not for any of the other FAs I've already discussed. Hell I'd even take a flyer on Russ coming off the bench. I bet Pop could constrain some if his bad habits and make him a very serviceable 6th man.

[Mnky]

Think we already had something like 13 incoming second rounders through 2029. Diminishing returns at this point

not a fan of this imo if it prevents us from making more impactful moves

Second rounder worth is going up with the new CBA. Competitive Teams need to be able to draft affordable young players in the second. They're a useful tool with all these teams going all in. Spurs were ahead of the game as usual. They're gettinf free assets. That cap space wasn't going anywhere and they pick up another vet to help mentor.


Spurs are sitting back and letting the other teams work for them.

[jjspur]

I'm not crazy about the Osment- Stevens trade, but I figure its better than having always injured Langford and 100 year old Gorgi Dieng on the team plus we got a 2nd rounder out of it. Its an upgrade in talent, it gets us closer to the salary floor and we got a second rounder. I look at it as an upgrade even if its just a small one.

[Splits]

All your 2nds are belong to us

[slick'81]

This is what we wanted right? Rent space and gain all the two's

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Second rounder worth is going up with the new CBA. Competitive Teams need to be able to draft affordable young players in the second. They're a useful tool with all these teams going all in. Spurs were ahead of the game as usual. They're gettinf free assets. That cap space wasn't going anywhere and they pick up another vet to help mentor.


Spurs are sitting back and letting the other teams work for them.

I've seen a couple ppl make this argument and it may or may not bear out when the 2nd apron comes into effect. My guess is more of those roster spots are filled by UDFA than 2nd rounders given there are only so many 2nd round picks.

So if it doesn't pan out, the Spurs basically have a stockpile of filler for trading up at best and a burden to get rid of multiple picks to avoid overwhelming our Austin and SA rosters at worst.

[timvp]

Spurs still have juuust enough to offer Reaves his max. If that was factored into this trade, I like it a lot more.

[DPG21920]

Don't love the trade but it's just about the safest salary dump I've ever seen. Osman is already a decent deal at $6.7 million. Maybe overpaid by a couple million but he has a real chance of cracking the rotation. Stevens' contract is mostly unguaranteed. I've seen him play good defense so it's not impossible for him to make the team. Getting a second rounder to take those two players on is easily worth it.

Now, yeah, the fact that this trade signals that the Spurs won't do anything this summer kind of sucks, tbh. Was there literally no one the Spurs were interested in at $7 million?

Yup. I’d rather over pay some for Grant williams who we know is a good player and is valued around the league or something like that. Don’t like wasting roster spots for another 2nd. Not terrible just unimaginative & kind of surprising that they don’t think anyone is more interesting than Cedi

If they waive them and show they care more about winning than money? Love it more.

[DPG21920]

Spurs still have juuust enough to offer Reaves his max. If that was factored into this trade, I like it a lot more.

Absolutely - would mean it wasn’t about salary floor and just purely asset management which is great. If you are going to use cap space still means you didn’t need to do this to reach floor.

[Dex]

All your 2nds are belong to us

WHAT YOU SAY!?!?

[Dex]

Spurs still have juuust enough to offer Reaves his max. If that was factored into this trade, I like it a lot more.

Can't Lakers match any offer, though?

[slick'81]

Can't Lakers match any offer, though?

without question

[buttsR4rebounding]

I think anyone reading tea leaves can tell he's intrigued by the Lakers. He wanted to play their scrubs in the Summer League...in Sacramento. Lol.

And I'm perfectly calm bro. I'm also not burying my head in the sand about showing our young superstar that we are able and willing to spend money on say a Brook Lopez or other player to help make the team better.

Answer this question, will Wembanyama be cool playing on a team that finishes under .500 this next year when he's talking about ringing soon and often? And when we barely reach the salary floor?

Final point. There a poster here, name eludes me now, that basically already said his third contract would be signed elsewhere I gather from stuff he heard or read.

And when someone hands you a glass of lemonade you assume they pissed in a cup.

[Mr. Body]

Yup. I’d rather over pay some for Grant williams who we know is a good player and is valued around the league or something like that. Don’t like wasting roster spots for another 2nd. Not terrible just unimaginative & kind of surprising that they don’t think anyone is more interesting than Cedi

If they waive them and show they care more about winning than money? Love it more.

Grant Williams does absolutely nothing for this team.

Osman actually does.

People here get way too enamored of supposedly big names then get upset when they perceive nothing big is happening. A lot of us are throwing around names just because they feel like we need to sign anybody, like that's a sane thing to do.

[Kurik]

Can't Lakers match any offer, though?

Thats fine, make them match a bigger contract.

[Bruno]

An unpopular reason why Spurs haven't add some vets this summer could be that they are planing on "half tanking" this season.

Spurs won't try to lose games on purpose but they might not want to add vets that will allow them to win an handful more regular season games. Getting, let's say, a top 6 pick in next year draft might be a big part of the equation.

[DPG21920]

Grant Williams does absolutely nothing for this team.

Osman actually does.

People here get way too enamored of supposedly big names then get upset when they perceive nothing big is happening. A lot of us are throwing around names just because they feel like we need to sign anybody, like that's a sane thing to do.

Lmao what? 1) Cedi does nothing for the team

2) Grant Williams is not a big name at all. He’s a solid role player with way more value than Cedi to the league.

[DPG21920]

And I’ve been one of the few actually touting this plan from Sa and preaching patience and not blowing money. Grant was just an example to illustrate a point.

Even with me agreeing with patient approach and not spending on FVv types I still think there’s more creative ways to do main goals while maximizing assets we have

[kobyz]

I think it's better for us to go after Reaves and Grant Williams who could fit great with what we needs than to wait for next summer to be a player in free agency, next summer might not be better options to go after and it seems we could get those guys at reasonable price while also prevent Lakers and Celtics to keep an important piece

[Mr. Body]

Lmao what? 1) Cedi does nothing for the team

2) Grant Williams is not a big name at all. He’s a solid role player with way more value than Cedi to the league.

We had no SF on this roster outside of Keldon, who is a tweener, until Cedi and Champagnie came on. Osman is going to play next year.

Grant Williams is well known because he's a Celtic. He's a 'big name' because he was overhyped by their fanbase and broadcasters.

[DPG21920]

Point is this is least creative and least valuable way to use cap space asset. Is it awful? No. It’s fine.

[DPG21920]

We had no SF on this roster outside of Keldon, who is a tweener, until Cedi and Champagnie came on. Osman is going to play next year.

Grant Williams is well known because he's a Celtic. He's a 'big name' because he was overhyped by their fanbase and broadcasters.

McDaniels on an oversized 1 year deal to reach floor > Cedi deal

[Dex]

Thats fine, make them match a bigger contract.

:tu FTL

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Maybe we're saving for Dame?!?!?!

[Extra Stout]

Spurstalk five stages of grief
1) Denial - no, they’re going to do something big this FA season
2) Anger - I fucking hate this conservative front office
3) Bargaining - wait, they still have cap space
4) Depression - this fucking sucks, Wemby is going to leave
5) Acceptance - actually these are brilliant moves

[KobesAchilles]

Well hot damn. Source?
No source. But it’s like Timvp said, we have just enough cap space to offer Reaves the contract at 25 per.

also, what would our cap situation look like if we got Dame? I’m not even sure who we would have to give up to make the contract work. KJ, McBuckets and 4 first rounders? Do we have any cap space after this trade?

Roster would look pretty sweet.
Dame, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Collins
fill out the bench a little maybe and that could be a title team. I mean what team besides Denver do we not match up with?

[slick'81]

Get lillard in here:lobt2:

[Mr. Body]

Spurstalk five stages of grief
1) Denial - no, they’re going to do something big this FA season
2) Anger - I fucking hate this conservative front office
3) Bargaining - wait, they still have cap space
4) Depression - this fucking sucks, Wemby is going to leave
5) Acceptance - actually these are brilliant moves

It'd be better if people, y'now, listened to the front office.

"We're not looking to make costly mistakes. We're going to take it slow, see what works around Victor."

A week later:

SpursTalks wailing and rending their garments wondering why we're not taking on years of $25-35 million salary or chasing supposedly big name players.

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Spurstalk five stages of grief
1) Denial - no, they’re going to do something big this FA season
2) Anger - I fucking hate this conservative front office
3) Bargaining - wait, they still have cap space
4) Depression - this fucking sucks, Wemby is going to leave
5) Acceptance - actually these are brilliant moves


Haha. Potentially accurate, lol. I'll let you know if I make it to Stage 5. I'm still on Stage 3.6.

Although I'll be in Stage 10 if we can land Dame

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No source. But it’s like Timvp said, we have just enough cap space to offer Reaves the contract at 25 per.

also, what would our cap situation look like if we got Dame? I’m not even sure who we would have to give up to make the contract work. KJ, McBuckets and 4 first rounders? Do we have any cap space after this trade?

Roster would look pretty sweet.
Dame, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Collins
fill out the bench a little maybe and that could be a title team. I mean what team besides Denver do we not match up with?


Not sure but I agree that's getting potentially close to a title team in a year or two. I've no idea what it'd take to get him though.

For sure players and lots of picks and I'm not talking about our seconds we've been hoarding.

If it can be done, you do it though.

[DPG21920]

Okc is killing it. Just relentless attention to detail and maximum asset management. sA has done well but I want them to be killers like okc and gs etc

Margins.

[SpursFan86]

It'd be better if people, y'now, listened to the front office.

"We're not looking to make costly mistakes. We're going to take it slow, see what works around Victor."

A week later:

SpursTalks wailing and rending their garments wondering why we're not taking on years of $25-35 million salary or chasing supposedly big name players.

Again I don’t understand why some of you are acting like the only options are either stand pat and add no one remotely meaningful or throw hundreds of millions around and completely shake up the roster.

Getting someone like Lopez or Reaves and then rolling with your existing squad seems…very reasonable? I wasn’t expecting them to ship off Keldon or completely change up the team with multiple big signings but there’s a clear middle ground here. And no, Cedi Osman is not a middle ground :lol

[Dex]

Get lillard in here:lobt2:

Pipe dream.

As much as I think Lillard+Wemby and company would be a good team, Lillard requesting a trade means he wants to do to a WIN NOW team

Spurs don't meet that criteria at the moment

[Mr. Body]

Okc is killing it. Just relentless attention to detail and maximum asset management. sA has done well but I want them to be killers like okc and gs etc

Margins.

Micic doesn't fit there at all. They're a lopsided team with a lot to figure out and they haven't done so whatsoever, although Chet will help a good deal. They were trying to run four guards and a PF most of last year. That's not going to cut it.

[DPG21920]

Spurs are way better than POr though. Last year if you added dame to this roster they finish better than POr with dame.

[DPG21920]

Micic doesn't fit there at all. They're a lopsided team with a lot to figure out and they haven't done so whatsoever, although Chet will help a good deal. They were trying to run four guards and a PF most of last year. That's not going to cut it.


Doesn’t matter. I’m talking overall assets management and talent.

[Mr. Body]

Again I don’t understand why some of you are acting like the only options are either stand pat and add no one remotely meaningful or throw hundreds of millions around and completely shake up the roster.

Getting someone like Lopez or Reaves and then rolling with your existing squad seems…very reasonable? I wasn’t expecting them to ship off Keldon or completely change up the team with multiple big signings but there’s a clear middle ground here. And no, Cedi Osman is not a middle ground :lol

Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the fuck is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're bitching and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.

[Mr. Body]

Doesn’t matter. I’m talking overall assets management and talent.

They were gifted SGA, who is their only really excellent player. Williams, Giddey, and Holmgren will look very nice. Presti still looks allergic to putting the pieces together around them and still feels like he enjoys the draft and offseason the most.

That said, they were near .500 last year, should be better this year, and will be a main rival going forward. But Presti has been incredibly lucky to get the Kawhi Leonard special.

[Obstructed_View]

No source. But it’s like Timvp said, we have just enough cap space to offer Reaves the contract at 25 per.

also, what would our cap situation look like if we got Dame? I’m not even sure who we would have to give up to make the contract work. KJ, McBuckets and 4 first rounders? Do we have any cap space after this trade?

Roster would look pretty sweet.
Dame, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby, Collins
fill out the bench a little maybe and that could be a title team. I mean what team besides Denver do we not match up with?
Until its time for Wemby to sign a new contract and the Spurs are on the hook for 60 million for a guy who isn't playing or who is screaming for a trade.

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Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the fuck is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're bitching and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.


Come on Mr Body. I think everyone I've seen discussing this is merely saying, MAKE THE OFFER. Make the Lakers match. Especially given their shenanigans with neph. We're they another team, maybe you don't do that. The Spurs are the only team that can really raise his price such that it impacts their cap significantly in years 3 and 4.

And yes the Spurs said they eree going to see what they had with their core around Wemby, but please highlight for me where that EXCLUDES adding to it with a Lopez or Plumlee or Russ (off the Bench) or Thybulle or McDaniels or etc.

Come on man you're being obtuse. You're better than that.

[DPG21920]

They were gifted SGA, who is their only really excellent player. Williams, Giddey, and Holmgren will look very nice. Presti still looks allergic to putting the pieces together around them and still feels like he enjoys the draft and offseason the most.

That said, they were near .500 last year, should be better this year, and will be a main rival going forward. But Presti has been incredibly lucky to get the Kawhi Leonard special.

That’s one deal. They’ve made any more and stockpiled all kinds of picks and talent and they never stop trying for more. They can do a lot moving forward asset wise and we’re a play in team already.

I’ve been vocal about LOVING what Sa has done last 2-3 years. I’m not knocking them; I’m saying there’s room for more and being even sharper.

Avoiding mistakes is biggest deal so Sa has been perfect there. But they leave meat on the bone too sometimes compared to the best of the best.

[SpursFan86]

Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the fuck is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're bitching and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.

Way to continue to prove my point. The Spurs said that they “want to see what they have” and “avoid costly mistakes”. Why does that have to mean not doing anything at all? I wasn’t even specifically saying they need to get one of those two guys; they were just examples. Plenty of other names out there that could’ve helped the team incrementally improve without completely shaking things up.

There’s still time in FA. We’ll see how it plays out but it’s not unreasonable to expect and hope for the team to add 1 or 2 moderately impactful players to a 22-win team after landing Victor.

[Joseph Kony]

Reaves ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. What the fuck is wrong with you people? He's getting matched with the Lakers no matter what. Get your hands out of your pants over this guy.

Lopez -- he's an old dude who wants a bag. Maybe the Spurs are looking at him, maybe not. My guess is they are very happy with Collins as a starter, who they can actually have a future around, and are maybe trying to find a backup.

Like LITERALLY this team told you what they are looking to do this offseason and you're bitching and crying that they're doing exactly what they said.
man, stfu. who are you to dictate conversation here? like fapping to your Kyle Lowry fantasy scenario isnt stupid as fuck too :lol

[Phenomanul]

Since people are listing their pipe dreams… Get coach Bud back and lure Giannis to the Spurs… Wemby, Giannis and Dame. Enough to win 2.

[DrunkTXLabrat]

This is almost exactly what the spurs should be doing. I would have preferred Duncan Robinson and a 1st though.

[Mr. Body]

Way to continue to prove my point. The Spurs said that they “want to see what they have” and “avoid costly mistakes”. Why does that have to mean not doing anything at all? I wasn’t even specifically saying they need to get one of those two guys; they were just examples. Plenty of other names out there that could’ve helped the team incrementally improve without completely shaking things up.

There’s still time in FA. We’ll see how it plays out but it’s not unreasonable to expect and hope for the team to add 1 or 2 moderately impactful players to a 22-win team after landing Victor.

The team was likely only to take on one year contracts. That's it. The team is the team right now. At this point I'm not even sure they want to go after a Plumlee.

If you completely misunderstood what they said, then it's on you.

[Seventyniner]

WHAT YOU SAY!?!?

SOMEBODY SET UP US THE WOJBOMB

[JPB]

An unpopular reason why Spurs haven't add some vets this summer could be that they are planing on "half tanking" this season.

Spurs won't try to lose games on purpose but they might not want to add vets that will allow them to win an handful more regular season games. Getting, let's say, a top 6 pick in next year draft might be a big part of the equation.

I don't believe in that. They know Vic is all about winning and last year was really exceptional for the spurs and a chance at Wemby. That's not in spurs DNA and I don't see Pop going for a second year of tanking, even semi-tanking, which is actually not that simple to do and require throwing the last 15-20 games or so to get in the top 6, with 4 or 5 teams tanking all year long... Spurs have a lot of FRPs already and can eventually try to trade up next year if they see somebody they like, with all the uncertainty it implies... I believe spurs are more focused on proven talent now and try to find a second star the next couple of years via trades or FA.

[ChumpDumper]

Spurs still have juuust enough to offer Reaves his max. If that was factored into this trade, I like it a lot more.

No QO for Mamu makes sense in this context. The Spurs did seem to have at least one big FA signing in mind whether it was FVV, Jakob or Reaves. If those don't happen, hit det salary floor and look for opportunities during the season.

[Extra Stout]

An unpopular reason why Spurs haven't add some vets this summer could be that they are planing on "half tanking" this season.

Spurs won't try to lose games on purpose but they might not want to add vets that will allow them to win an handful more regular season games. Getting, let's say, a top 6 pick in next year draft might be a big part of the equation.
Yes, this is what they are doing. They told us this is what they are doing. That’s what “we want to find out what we have” and “let’s see what works” and “be patient” and “don’t skip any steps” mean. The whole season is about getting Victor acclimated and seeing which existing players on the roster fit with him. There will be lots of experimental lineups. Young guys will get minutes to see what they can do. They’re not going to go out of their way to be uncompetitive, but maximizing the win total is NOT the objective. And yes, they do have their eyes on the 2024 draft and the potential for TWO lottery picks.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Since people are listing their pipe dreams… Get coach Bud back and lure Giannis to the Spurs… Wemby, Giannis and Dame. Enough to win 2.

More doable: get Dame, use one of the 3 picks next year on Bronny so Sr comes of his own accord. Wemby, LBJ, Dame, Sochan and Vassel would be pretty okay.

[Spursfanfromafar]

It is one thing to avoid "big mistakes" and another sitting pat and creating the situation for mistakes to be made The whole "Process" thing is overrated.

The Spurs must work towards maximizing Victor's abilities and star power. And they need to build organically - which means not giving up their core players who are earmarked for success. But they needn't just take an overly conservative approach and not utilize the strengths of the FA market. Only success breeds more success. They can still redeem greater value by prising out Reeves if possible or signing DiVincenzo and trying to reach the play-in this season. Dame Lillard, though is a pipedream and carries a much higher long term risk than middle term reward.

[Mr. Body]

Yes, this is what they are doing. They told us this is what they are doing. That’s what “we want to find out what we have” and “let’s see what works” and “be patient” and “don’t skip any steps” mean. The whole season is about getting Victor acclimated and seeing which existing players on the roster fit with him. There will be lots of experimental lineups. Young guys will get minutes to see what they can do. They’re not going to go out of their way to be uncompetitive, but maximizing the win total is NOT the objective. And yes, they do have their eyes on the 2024 draft and the potential for TWO lottery picks.

Added that they don't just know how the current players work with Wembanyama...

They don't know what types of player work around him. Not meaning 'SG' or 'SF' but where they can maximize how he likes to use the floor, where attacks and defenses should be.

Adding longterm players wily-nily this offseason is the opposite of what they should do.

[Mr. Body]

It is one thing to avoid "big mistakes" and another sitting pat and creating the situation for mistakes to be made The whole "Process" thing is overrated.

The Spurs must work towards maximizing Victor's abilities and star power. And they need to build organically - which means not giving up their core players who are earmarked for success. But they needn't just take an overly conservative approach and not utilize the strengths of the FA market. Only success breeds more success. They can still redeem greater value by prising out Reeves if possible or signing DiVincenzo and trying to reach the play-in this season. Dame Lillard, though is a pipedream and carries a much higher long term risk than middle term reward.

1. Reaves isn't leaving the Lakers. You guys need to give up this weird fantasy where they can get him.

2. Adding a player like Reaves doesn't make any sense. You're just jamming another player onto the figuring-out process, and one that's already attached to a fairly nasty contract if he doesn't work.

[slick'81]

We have sidey and cedi:wow

[Obstructed_View]

Adding longterm players willy nilly is one thing, but exploring the first time a top-tier free agent expresses interest in the Spurs seems the least they can do.

[Mal]

That`s a stupid trade for Spurs, right ? Right ?!

[Spursfanfromafar]

1. Reaves isn't leaving the Lakers. You guys need to give up this weird fantasy where they can get him.

2. Adding a player like Reaves doesn't make any sense. You're just jamming another player onto the figuring-out process, and one that's already attached to a fairly nasty contract if he doesn't work.

You act as if you are Woj. Yes, the chances are that the Lakers will match a back loaded Reaves contract but it is also highly risky financially for them and so trying to call their bluff when you can shouldn't be ruled out.

There is no guarantee that the picks coming in the future years will have sufficient talent to ensure that Victor's good years are competitive enough. Not utilising the FA market when you have some competitive advantages is hamstringing yourself with just one path - and a path that is not laden with sureties as the Sixers experience shows.

The Nuggets path is the one that the Spurs should try to emulate (the Nuggets themselves went the old Spurs way). Jokic played with a couple of good veterans like Millsap, Barton etc and the champs today became so because of consistently pushing towards playoff runs. Not by tanking and hoarding picks alone.

[scott]

If the Spurs simply immediately waived Cedi and Stevens, they still count against the salary floor this season, right?

This move doesn’t appear to have hampered our ability to do any of the moves we could have done prior to this move… so what’s all the hand wringing about? They can still go after anyone they might have before this move, but at the very least if nothing else materializes they’ve gotten close enough to the floor where they can easily meet it with one more addition and some front-loading of Tre and Champ deals.

At least from what I’ve seen online, we can still easily create all the room we needed for someone like Dame if we went that route (not suggesting we do, but we could if we wanted).

[scott]

Also worth noting… in addition to being interested in Cedi in 2022, I saw another old tweet that the Spurs were interested in him way back in 2017. I wonder if Cedi has been a long term fascination of PATFO that they’ve finally been able to add for free, basically.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvzP9eTwFqI

[Vince Carter's ankle]

We had no SF on this roster outside of Keldon, who is a tweener, until Cedi and Champagnie came on. Osman is going to play next year.

Grant Williams is well known because he's a Celtic. He's a 'big name' because he was overhyped by their fanbase and broadcasters.
Vassell, McDermott, Cissoko and Sochan

[Mr. Body]

Vassell, McDermott, Cissoko and Sochan

I'll grant you McDermott. The rest aren't.

[Mnky]

I've seen a couple ppl make this argument and it may or may not bear out when the 2nd apron comes into effect. My guess is more of those roster spots are filled by UDFA than 2nd rounders given there are only so many 2nd round picks.

So if it doesn't pan out, the Spurs basically have a stockpile of filler for trading up at best and a burden to get rid of multiple picks to avoid overwhelming our Austin and SA rosters at worst.

They can kick it down the road for two more like they did this year. As much as people like to believe, there isn't a huge disparity in those last 30 players, as the spurs showed this year. The guy you get at 55 is just as likely to be a hit as 35.

They're useful assets that don't hurt you in anyway. If Wemby ends up being "the guy" they'll also help the spurs stay competitive when they have a roster of max contracts around him. So it works for the Wemby timeline as well in addition to being a valuable commodity to teams in salary clamps and roster limitations.

It's never a burden to have good assets. If the assets turn into better players than you currently have at the bottom of the roster and in Austin, that's also a win. It doesn't hurt to improve.

I feel like people just don't like patience and investment as a strategy, and feel anything outside of signing a max contract will upset them.

But to your "at best" comment, at best you create valuable cap and roster flexibility for your title run during Wemby time. That's a worthy investment.

[timvp]

Okc is killing it. Just relentless attention to detail and maximum asset management. sA has done well but I want them to be killers like okc and gs etc

Margins.

I was with you until here (though I'm not interested in Grant Williams at $50 million). OKC just did a similar deal to this but it was for the corpse of Oladipo. I'd rather get a potentially rosterable player on a cheaper contract and a second from a bad organization than that move, tbh.

OKC in the draft absorbed Bertans' terrible contract to move up two spots in the draft. That doesn't sound like assassin level asset management, IMO.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I'll grant you McDermott. The rest aren't.
what's the difference between sg and sf in modern league?

[Ariel]

I'll grant you McDermott. The rest aren't.
I think Cissoko will end up as a SF, at least on defense. I don't think he can keep up with the quicker guards, but on the other hand he's very strong, so he'd do better there.

[Mr. Body]

what's the difference between sg and sf in modern league?

Point i was trying to make is that Osman and Champagnie are in the mold of the old SF definition.

[Mr. Body]

I was with you until here (though I'm not interested in Grant Williams at $50 million). OKC just did a similar deal to this but it was for the corpse of Oladipo. I'd rather get a potentially rosterable player on a cheaper contract and a second from a bad organization than that move, tbh.

OKC in the draft absorbed Bertans' terrible contract to move up two spots in the draft. That doesn't sound like assassin level asset management, IMO.

Presti does extremely well with his top 10 picks, and Jalen Willams was a steal. He's done well picking up guys like Isaiah Joe and Dort. If you look at his draft history otherwise, it's littered with mistakes, guys like Brandon Clarke he traded away. Building a team is yet another matter. This is a guy who had Durant-Westbrook-Harden and Ibaka and not only didn't manage to win a championship, they only got to the Finals once.

[dbestpro]

SCOUTING REPORT

Slasher on the wing… Excels in transition and attacking close-outs… Scores out of the pick-and-roll as the ball-handler… Shooting has improved gradually… Plays with a lot of energy… Good playmaker when presented with open teammates… Team-first player… Very inconsistent… Can shoot it lights out one game… And go cold the next game… Savvy defender… - Hoopshype

[Mr. Body]

SCOUTING REPORT

Slasher on the wing… Excels in transition and attacking close-outs… Scores out of the pick-and-roll as the ball-handler… Shooting has improved gradually… Plays with a lot of energy… Good playmaker when presented with open teammates… Team-first player… Very inconsistent… Can shoot it lights out one game… And go cold the next game… Savvy defender… - Hoopshype

Is this Osman? He's more toolsy than many think. Very inconsistent, according to Cavs fans. I notice that both pickups are good defenders. Cedi started for a playoff team.

[Mal]

NBA has too much money, when you eat 8 mil for 2nd round pick, which you have plenty of already

[Bruno]

Looks like Stevens contract was fully non-guaranteed. To make the trade work some of it must have been made guaranteed.

Struss got $63M/4 years. With the usual raising structure, it makes a starting salary of $14.65M. Cavs need to send at least $7.2M in guaranteed contract to make the trade. Osman salary is $6.7M, which mean Stevens contract is $500K guaranteed.

Stevens guaranteed date is October 1st. If Spurs don't need his contract to reach the salary floor, he might be waived before training camp.

[sfernald]

Welcome to the Cedi & Sidy show!!

[rankingtear]

Cedi would look good in our system. Another 6-7 220+ lb wing Wright is stockpiling. That is Cedi, Julian and Sidy now.

[timvp]

Looks like Stevens contract was fully non-guaranteed. To make the trade work some of it must have been made guaranteed.

Struss got $63M/4 years. With the usual raising structure, it makes a starting salary of $14.65M. Cavs need to send at least $7.2M in guaranteed contract to make the trade. Osman salary is $6.7M, which mean Stevens contract is $500K guaranteed.

Stevens guaranteed date is October 1st. If Spurs don't need his contract to reach the salary floor, he might be waived before training camp.

Awesome info. Thanks. :tu

I was told Stevens' contract was guaranteed $4xx,xxx but didn't see where that guarantee was in his contract. Turns out, as you said, that the Spurs and Cavs had to partially guarantee it in order to make the trade legal. I'm trying to track down that exact number but it's something close to the $500K you stated.

[J.T.]

Oh wow

[scott]

Awesome info. Thanks. :tu

I was told Stevens' contract was guaranteed $4xx,xxx but didn't see where that guarantee was in his contract. Turns out, as you said, that the Spurs and Cavs had to partially guarantee it in order to make the trade legal. I'm trying to track down that exact number but it's something close to the $500K you stated.

Could the Spurs fully guarantee the rest and then just waive him in order to get to the salary floor? Or does the floor have to be met with salaries on the active roster?

[timvp]

Could the Spurs fully guarantee the rest and then just waive him in order to get to the salary floor? Or does the floor have to be met with salaries on the active roster?

They could guarantee it, waive him and it'd still count, yeah.

[Bruno]

I was told Stevens' contract was guaranteed $4xx,xxx but didn't see where that guarantee was in his contract. Turns out, as you said, that the Spurs and Cavs had to partially guarantee it in order to make the trade legal. I'm trying to track down that exact number but it's something close to the $500K you stated.

Without rounding numbers, I get:
Struss starting salary: $14,651,163
=> Cavs outgoing salary: $7,200,582
Osman Salary: $6,718,842
=> Stevens' guarantee : $481,740

[paperboy77]

Spurs might sign Vassel next summer to a new contract after having used their cap space. Even if he signs this summer a $100M+ extension, Spurs will still have something like $60M in cap space next summer.

I haven't looked at the 2024 FA class, maybe you're right it's a weak class.

100m ext for Vassel? That dudes is not remotely close to being worth that.

[mo7888]

100m ext for Vassel? That dudes is not remotely close to being worth that.

Players don't get what they're worth, they get what their agents can get them.. Vassell will get paid..

[Extra Stout]

Players don't get what they're worth, they get what their agents can get them.. Vassell will get paid..
Based upon what he has done so far in the his career, I’d say 4/$80 and frankly that’s being generous. Jak got that from Toronto and he has been a more impactful player in his career than Devin has. If he finally breaks out in 2023-24 then maybe he could earn 4/$100.

[mo7888]

Based upon what he has done so far in the his career, I’d say 4/$80 and frankly that’s being generous. Jak got that from Toronto and he has been a more impactful player in his career than Devin has. If he finally breaks out in 2023-24 then maybe he could earn 4/$100.

I don't disagree, but he's getting more than that...either this summer or alot more next..

[scott]

Did we ever get word on what the Spurs gave up in this trade? I'd imagine it was a fake SRP, but we had to have given up something, correct?

[timvp]

Did we ever get word on what the Spurs gave up in this trade? I'd imagine it was a fake SRP, but we had to have given up something, correct?

Yeah, they had to give up something. Most likely a top 55 protected second round pick or $110,000 in cash (if that's still the minimum cash in this new CBA).

[DPG21920]

I was with you until here (though I'm not interested in Grant Williams at $50 million). OKC just did a similar deal to this but it was for the corpse of Oladipo. I'd rather get a potentially rosterable player on a cheaper contract and a second from a bad organization than that move, tbh.

OKC in the draft absorbed Bertans' terrible contract to move up two spots in the draft. That doesn't sound like assassin level asset management, IMO.

Disagree. They moved up. They accomplished their goal. I dont care about overpaying etc..if it means consolidation or getting what you want (whether we agree or not with the players etc…).

I dont care about it and honestly Cedi sucks too lmao - I was not saying that Dipo deal specifically was amazing - its more their mindset compared to SA. OKC has so many picks etc they could easily rest on that and take it easy. But they are moving up in draft, still taking guys on etc and their collective mindset last few years is just relentless asset accumulation and talent accumulation

[timvp]

Disagree. They moved up. They accomplished their goal. I dont care about overpaying etc..if it means consolidation or getting what you want (whether we agree or not with the players etc…). Since when do you not care about overpaying, tbh? I know we've been on the same size arguing the Spurs overpaid and/or didn't get proper value. You would have been cool with giving Poeltl the max because that would have meant "consolidation or getting what you want"?

[DPG21920]

Since when do you not care about overpaying, tbh? I know we've been on the same size arguing the Spurs overpaid and/or didn't get proper value. You would have been cool with giving Poeltl the max because that would have meant "consolidation or getting what you want"?

Clarification: I do care about overpaying lol - I meant as long as its not egregious and especially during the draft to move up to get who you want….but ya, aging free agents or awkward fits? Definitely care about value and overpaying.

But when it comes to draft and moving up? If you have to overpay some then that’s where all the hard work of having extra picks helps etc..

[Drom John]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor VORP

126T) Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, Cedi Osman, Robert Williams III

The only Spur better, Tre Jones


229) Brandon Boston Jr, Jarrell Brantley, Thomas Bryant, Jared Butler, Fecundo Campazzo, Matthew Dellanova, Moussa Diabate, Ayo Dosunmu, Jeff Dowtin Jr., PJ Dozier, Ron Harper Jr, Andre iguadola, Alize Johnson, Corey Kispert, Saben Lee, Seth McClung, Jaylen Nowell, Micah Potter, Orlando Robinson, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jaden Springer, Lamar Stevens, Edmond Sumner, Kemba Walker, Ziaire Williams

Slightly above league average.

Spurs who played worse than Lamar Stevens:

Dominick Barlow, Joshua Primo, Julian Champagnie, Khem Birch, Jordan Hall, Sandro Mamukellashvili, Gorgui Dieng, Doug McDermont, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham

[JPB]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor VORP

126T) Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, Cedi Osman, Robert Williams III

The only Spur better, Tre Jones


229) Brandon Boston Jr, Jarrell Brantley, Thomas Bryant, Jared Butler, Fecundo Campazzo, Matthew Dellanova, Moussa Diabate, Ayo Dosunmu, Jeff Dowtin Jr., PJ Dozier, Ron Harper Jr, Andre iguadola, Alize Johnson, Corey Kispert, Saben Lee, Seth McClung, Jaylen Nowell, Micah Potter, Orlando Robinson, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jaden Springer, Lamar Stevens, Edmond Sumner, Kemba Walker, Ziaire Williams

Slightly above league average.

Spurs who played worse than Lamar Stevens:

Dominick Barlow, Joshua Primo, Julian Champagnie, Khem Birch, Jordan Hall, Sandro Mamukellashvili, Gorgui Dieng, Doug McDermont, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham

In a tanking year, which biases all these stats.

[Obstructed_View]

FiveThirtyEight Raptor VORP

126T) Tyus Jones, Monte Morris, Cedi Osman, Robert Williams III

The only Spur better, Tre Jones


229) Brandon Boston Jr, Jarrell Brantley, Thomas Bryant, Jared Butler, Fecundo Campazzo, Matthew Dellanova, Moussa Diabate, Ayo Dosunmu, Jeff Dowtin Jr., PJ Dozier, Ron Harper Jr, Andre iguadola, Alize Johnson, Corey Kispert, Saben Lee, Seth McClung, Jaylen Nowell, Micah Potter, Orlando Robinson, Jeremiah Robinson-Earl, Jaden Springer, Lamar Stevens, Edmond Sumner, Kemba Walker, Ziaire Williams

Slightly above league average.

Spurs who played worse than Lamar Stevens:

Dominick Barlow, Joshua Primo, Julian Champagnie, Khem Birch, Jordan Hall, Sandro Mamukellashvili, Gorgui Dieng, Doug McDermont, Blake Wesley, Malaki Branham
People who don't understand what tanking is fascinate me.

[Ice009]

I think anyone reading tea leaves can tell he's intrigued by the Lakers. He wanted to play their scrubs in the Summer League...in Sacramento. Lol.

And I'm perfectly calm bro. I'm also not burying my head in the sand about showing our young superstar that we are able and willing to spend money on say a Brook Lopez or other player to help make the team better.

Answer this question, will Wembanyama be cool playing on a team that finishes under .500 this next year when he's talking about ringing soon and often? And when we barely reach the salary floor?

Final point. There a poster here, name eludes me now, that basically already said his third contract would be signed elsewhere I gather from stuff he heard or read.

Do you remember who said this? What would his 3rd contract be? His first free agency contract after his rookie extension?

Also, not sure if it was you that mentioned it, but someone said he's not planning to play for a long time? Is that because he doesn't want to, or if he's not sure about his body so he wants to win as soon as possible?

[offset formation]

Do you remember who said this? What would his 3rd contract be? His first free agency contract after his rookie extension?

Also, not sure if it was you that mentioned it, but someone said he's not planning to play for a long time? Is that because he doesn't want to, or if he's not sure about his body so he wants to win as soon as possible?

No I don't. I recall it was a European poster from France as I recall though it might have been a Polish guy??. And it was from before the draft too IIRC. Was something that caught my attention and I responded to him about it. He referenced that Wemby wanted to play here but would likely sign his first UFA contract in a bigger market.

As for his playing tenure, I saw Wembanyama say something responding to a question about how long he wanted to play or if he wanted to be still playing at Lebrons age or something and he stated he didn't think he'd still be playing that long. Could have just been deferential respect for LeBron but that's not how I heard it in real time.

[exstatic]

No I don't. I recall it was a European poster from France as I recall though it might have been a Polish guy??. And it was from before the draft too IIRC. Was something that caught my attention and I responded to him about it. He referenced that Wemby wanted to play here but would likely sign his first UFA contract in a bigger market.

As for his playing tenure, I saw Wembanyama say something responding to a question about how long he wanted to play or if he wanted to be still playing at Lebrons age or something and he stated he didn't think he'd still be playing that long. Could have just been deferential respect for LeBron but that's not how I heard it in real time.

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with a girl who saw Ferris pass-out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

[Kurik]

Next up is the Illuminati caused the Titan implosion and Wemby is involved.

[stephen jackson]

Can’t wait till wemby gets tired of this shit it’s already starting

[Mr. Body]

Can’t wait till wemby gets tired of this shit it’s already starting

When signing his contract, Victor was seen to pause. "Wait, we're not getting Dillon Brooks for $80 million?? Fuck this shit!"

And he threw the pen across the room.

[ismael-robert]

It's not Dillon, its not taking a chance on Reaves. 15-20 could got him. Next year, again he'll (reaves) make people regret it.

[ChumpDumper]

:lol Wemby's going to quit before his first season because we didn't overpay Austin Reaves?

[Mr. Body]

:lol Wemby's going to quit before his first season because we didn't overpay Austin Reaves?

Victor said he came over to America to meet Austin Reaves.

[ismael-robert]

Eye roll, it's skipping opportunities to improve team, not one player

[T Park]

Eye roll, it's skipping opportunities to improve team, not one player


correct, but these people overrate a 20 win roster and think improving the team is some bad thing.

Loser ass mentality

[ChumpDumper]

Eye roll, it's skipping opportunities to improve team, not one playerTaking shitty opportunities now to forego better ones later isn't great.

It's a shitty FA class. You don't FOMO on these guys. There are better ways to improve the team this season than shitty July panic signings.

[ismael-robert]

He fits everything they seem to look for in a player, team player, fits "timeline", plays d...I don't understand how someone who fits their mold so perfectly was not even offered

[ismael-robert]

Next year Reaves will show he was a missed opportunity

[ismael-robert]

I think romeo was meant to be our defensive stopper like Bruce. Offense wasn't really required. Stevens may be that now

[rankingtear]

It's not Dillon, its not taking a chance on Reaves. 15-20 could got him. Next year, again he'll (reaves) make people regret it.

LAL would match anything because of the Arenas rule. We never could have gotten him, this way he is unrestricted in 3 years instead of 4. So by not offering anything we increase our chance of getting him. He also would make less when Lebron retires and you can trade for him. Big brain move.

[Uriel]

An unpopular reason why Spurs haven't add some vets this summer could be that they are planing on "half tanking" this season.

Spurs won't try to lose games on purpose but they might not want to add vets that will allow them to win an handful more regular season games. Getting, let's say, a top 6 pick in next year draft might be a big part of the equation.
Agree, and I actually think this is exactly the plan. One more year in the lottery, one more year of internal development from our young players. It may not be the most popular option, especially from the win-now crowd, but it is the best long-term plan.

[BackHome]

When in Vegas if ya got the Hot hand keep playing we got the number 1 pick this year I am feeling lucky come on number 1 - 2024. Lol