Spurs Looking To Build New Stadium Downtown

[ChumpDumper]

The public vote is for a renewal of the county hotel/rental car tax. We like having out of towners finance our arenas. It’ll pass in a breeze, just like last time.
Yeah, that tax is used for all kinds of shit. I don't remember its ever being refused.

[T Park]

If the Major/City isn't fine with the whole project, Spurs should just push for the new arena and the bridge above the interstate.

I just don't see the rest of the project (convention center upgrade, new concert venue, new Hotel, UTSA Hospitality school, renovating the Alamodome) having some significant impact on the success of the arena. While Spurs truly need a new arena, it's debatable that the rest of the project is needed by SA.

they 100% need to upgrade the dome and the convention center. they're losing conventions left and right due to others in other cities upgrading.

[T Park]

also there being a conflict of interest between Female Mamdani and the Firm she recommended to do the study of Marvel project is just *chefs kiss*

[CGD]

they 100% need to upgrade the dome and the convention center. they're losing conventions left and right due to others in other cities upgrading.

Maybe. I feel the “convention” concept of yesteryear is slowly dying as virtual options start chipping away at it. My organization had its big event in San Antonio a few years back and was significantly scaled back because of this, with most of the activities at the hotel NEXT to the Convention Center. Feels like the future is what they are building over north of 281: nice hotel/golf/space for meetings + easy airport access.

The Dome is an outdated eye-sore, but don’t see the clean fit for this project. Maybe someone else can explain that one. Has UTSA football officially moved down there? Is SA getting closer to an MLS team?

Don’t know the economics of it, but is a bowl game, Final 4 once every 5 years, UTSA football, and concerts, enough revenue to justify it?

[BatManu20]

Sounds like it’s a done deal.

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[ginobilized]

Sounds like it’s a done deal.

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Huge news! I'm all for it. Just hope that I'm still a functional human by the time it is completed.

[Bruno]

The Dome is an outdated eye-sore, but don’t see the clean fit for this project. Maybe someone else can explain that one. Has UTSA football officially moved down there? Is SA getting closer to an MLS team?

Don’t know the economics of it, but is a bowl game, Final 4 once every 5 years, UTSA football, and concerts, enough revenue to justify it?

They really need Alamodome's parking lots. I guess it's difficult to sold a project that will use Alamodome's parking lots and will let the arena untouched. That's why they are planing a huge renovation of it.

And at the end, I think there is a good chance that the dome won't really renovated. Renovation of the Dome should occur in the second stage of their project and there are no budget for it right now. The reason given of that choice is that the dome should be available for the 2029 Women Final Four. I'm no SA political expert but I can easily see them not willing to give extra $ in 5 years for the dome given how little it is used. Spurs shouldn't really care if the second stage of their project is done or not.

[vy65]

lol female mamdani

[ChumpDumper]

They really need Alamodome's parking lots. I guess it's difficult to sold a project that will use Alamodome's parking lots and will let the arena untouched. That's why they are planing a huge renovation of it.

And at the end, I think there is a good chance that the dome won't really renovated. Renovation of the Dome should occur in the second stage of their project and there are no budget for it right now. The reason given of that choice is that the dome should be available for the 2029 Women Final Four. I'm no SA political expert but I can easily see them not willing to give extra $ in 5 years for the dome given how little it is used. Spurs shouldn't really care if the second stage of their project is done or not.I doubt the Spurs care much about the Alamodome, but the city almost definitely wants to keep it going for the time being. I think the main reason Final Fours are eliminating SA as a destination because the dome looks super dated in exterior shots and has too little room in the concourses to set up all the shit they want there. There absolutely is space to do that, and it's tough to see a better site to do something similar in the future. That kind of space could be used as a kind of convention center annex as well.

It looks like the city vote for phase 1 is going to happen before the end of the month which is remarkable. As I understand it, the rush may actually cost the Spurs upwards of $100 million if they break their lease at FBC before September 2028. That amount decreases by $6 million each year after that, if the terms are the same as I read at the beginning of this year.

[BatManu20]

Done and done. Spurs are staying home.

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[Dejounte]

San Antonio is going to be a bigger destination than Houston or Dallas in five years tbh

[ace3g]

https://x.com/DonHarris4/status/1957255006345634089

[BatManu20]

This dumb bitch is relentless.

[TXstbobcat]

This dumb bitch is relentless.

I agree with you and didn’t vote for her but correct me if I’m wrong, doesn’t she need the city council votes for this resolution to not consider the term sheet?

[exstatic]

She’s a one term mayor, as of this moment. Political suicide.

[TekXX]

There ain't nothing wrong with shining a little light on this very big deal. If it's as great as everyone says it is then there shouldn't be an issue. In terms of what power the San Antonio mayor has, she's essentially an at-large city council member, this is how most Texas cities are set up. The running for the city lies with the city manager as opposed to Houston, which has a strong mayor system where the mayor sets the agenda.

[mystargtr34]

Is she a socialist type lefty democrat ?

[onechance87]

There ain't nothing wrong with shining a little light on this very big deal. If it's as great as everyone says it is then there shouldn't be an issue. In terms of what power the San Antonio mayor has, she's essentially an at-large city council member, this is how most Texas cities are set up. The running for the city lies with the city manager as opposed to Houston, which has a strong mayor system where the mayor sets the agenda.

At this point shes gonna be campaigning against the spurs and point them as the bad guy.I dont think the spurs want this
negative media attention or want this headache of a mayor to deal with the next several years.This is not good imo.

[djohn2oo8]

San Antonio is going to be a bigger destination than Houston or Dallas in five years tbh
Nah.

[djohn2oo8]

There ain't nothing wrong with shining a little light on this very big deal. If it's as great as everyone says it is then there shouldn't be an issue. In terms of what power the San Antonio mayor has, she's essentially an at-large city council member, this is how most Texas cities are set up. The running for the city lies with the city manager as opposed to Houston, which has a strong mayor system where the mayor sets the agenda.
Typically for a project this big you do need an independent study. One may argue why it wasn’t seeked before? But there is nothing wrong with it.

[djohn2oo8]

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[baseline bum]

Is she a socialist type lefty democrat ?

No such thing

[CGD]

Is she a socialist type lefty democrat ?

No. She’s former military, ran in purple districts in the past. You can dislike her, but she is not democratic socialist.

[CGD]

There ain't nothing wrong with shining a little light on this very big deal. If it's as great as everyone says it is then there shouldn't be an issue. In terms of what power the San Antonio mayor has, she's essentially an at-large city council member, this is how most Texas cities are set up. The running for the city lies with the city manager as opposed to Houston, which has a strong mayor system where the mayor sets the agenda.

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It’s a shit ton of money. I also think this is being poorly managed by her AND and the Spurs. If it’s not a big deal, then just make more information publicly available and be done with it.

[exstatic]

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It’s a shit ton of money. I also think this is being poorly managed by her AND and the Spurs. If it’s not a big deal, then just make more information publicly available and be done with it.

Every bit of information is out there. She’s trying to delay it, with an eye towards killing it.

[onechance87]

Every bit of information is out there. She’s trying to delay it, with an eye towards killing it.

We are fcked bro...Shes gonna make enemies with the spurs and make things difficult in the future for the spurs in the next few years.

[TXstbobcat]

She doesn’t have the city council votes to support her resolution.

[TXstbobcat]

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/blob:https://www.spurstalk.com/75c0e58b-5379-4ec0-81c1-7184ae8e8d78per Jeff Garcia:

Conflicting resolutions for Thursday's council meeting...One that wants a delay until a new economic study is done and this morning there is one that allows the city manager to complete negotiations and execute a non-binding term sheet with the Spurs...

[dn0774]

Every bit of information is out there. She’s trying to delay it, with an eye towards killing it.

I mean, honest question, has an independent economic study been conducted by an unbiased firm (ie not contracted by Spurs to conduct said study)? Admittedly, I am not well versed in the details but on the surface that seems like reasonable due diligence that should be performed. Perhaps it has and she is just trying to stonewall any way she can.

[exstatic]

I mean, honest question, has an independent economic study been conducted by an unbiased firm (ie not contracted by Spurs to conduct said study)? Admittedly, I am not well versed in the details but on the surface that seems like reasonable due diligence that should be performed. Perhaps it has and she is just trying to stonewall any way she can.

[TXstbobcat]

Fuck resolution number four we’ve got resolution number five lol

resolution authorizing the city manager to complete negotiations and execute a non-binding term sheet with the San Antonio Spurs holding LLC relating to a downtown arena with substantially similar terms to the proposed draft term sheet Eric Walsh city manager, Ben, Gorzell Junior, chief financial officer and administrative services.

resolution number five tells resolution number four to go fuck itself lol

[djohn2oo8]

I mean, honest question, has an independent economic study been conducted by an unbiased firm (ie not contracted by Spurs to conduct said study)? Admittedly, I am not well versed in the details but on the surface that seems like reasonable due diligence that should be performed. Perhaps it has and she is just trying to stonewall any way she can.
And independent estimate needs to be completed, especially with the firm tasked with overseeing such things by the Spurs has a history of misrepresenting numbers in past projects, apparently.

[vy65]

Does anyone know if it's standard practice for the Spurs to retain the consultant on the City's behalf. To me, as the "buyer," I would think the City had the obligation to retain its own consultant as part of its diligence, so this strikes me as the City complaining that the Spurs aren't doing the City's diligence. But I wonder if its different in the municipal government context.

[BatManu20]

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[ChumpDumper]

And independent estimate needs to be completed, especially with the firm tasked with overseeing such things by the Spurs has a history of misrepresenting numbers in past projects, apparently.
Please show us this history with the actual numbers involved.

[djohn2oo8]

Does anyone know if it's standard practice for the Spurs to retain the consultant on the City's behalf. To me, as the "buyer," I would think the City had the obligation to retain its own consultant as part of its diligence, so this strikes me as the City complaining that the Spurs aren't doing the City's diligence. But I wonder if it’s different in the municipal government context.
Here is a recent article

https://www.ksat.com/news/ksat-investigates/2025/08/15/city-hired-firm-for-project-marvel-analysis-has-business-ties-to-san-antonio-spurs/

[djohn2oo8]

Please show us this history with the actual numbers involved.

There are numbers in the article below. KSAT says the city retained them. (And that CSL was not asked to determine the economic impact/could be because they misrepresent numbers). The question is who? Jones says the analysis is incomplete.



https://www.fieldofschemes.com/2020/01/23/15699/meet-the-wile-e-coyote-of-the-sports-stadium-racket/

[ChumpDumper]

There are numbers in the article below. KSAT says the city retained them. (And that CSL was not asked to determine the economic impact/could be because they misrepresent numbers). The question is who? Jones says the analysis is incomplete.



https://www.fieldofschemes.com/2020/01/23/15699/meet-the-wile-e-coyote-of-the-sports-stadium-racket/

Could be. I don't know what would change anything aside from just not building the arena and letting the Spurs leave town in seven years or so.

[vy65]

Here is a recent article

https://www.ksat.com/news/ksat-investigates/2025/08/15/city-hired-firm-for-project-marvel-analysis-has-business-ties-to-san-antonio-spurs/

lol, they hired sixth street? a minority owner in the spurs?

[djohn2oo8]

Could be. I don't know what would change anything aside from just not building the arena and letting the Spurs leave town in seven years or so.
So then they can split the item. Agree to the term sheet and do a secondary analysis at the same time. Nothing wrong with that.

[djohn2oo8]

lol, they hired sixth street? a minority owner in the spurs?
Looks like it

[djohn2oo8]

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[vy65]

Regardless, the City of SA sure look like a bunch of slapdick idiots right now with the passive-aggressive game of setting contradictory agendas.

[dn0774]

Is the city council generally Spurs-leaning on this issue? Clearly the mayor isn't, just wondering how much that matters.

[scott]

Does anyone know if it's standard practice for the Spurs to retain the consultant on the City's behalf. To me, as the "buyer," I would think the City had the obligation to retain its own consultant as part of its diligence, so this strikes me as the City complaining that the Spurs aren't doing the City's diligence. But I wonder if its different in the municipal government context.

A deal of this size would never fly with only seller-provided due diligence.

I'm impressed by the Spurs ability to transcend people's normal socioeconomic philosophy, causing them to throw them out the window for a "just do whatever it takes" approach. The language people have taken up ("fucking bitch", "cunt", etc) is also wild considering what we're actually talking about here. Sign of the times.

[exstatic]

A deal of this size would never fly with only seller-provided due diligence.

I'm impressed by the Spurs ability to transcend people's normal socioeconomic philosophy, causing them to throw them out the window for a "just do whatever it takes" approach. The language people have taken up ("fucking bitch", "cunt", etc) is also wild considering what we're actually talking about here. Sign of the times.

The language is uncalled for. I’ve never called mayor Jones anything but a one termer. The reality is that there isn’t going to be a better deal than the Spurs kicking in $500M, and the only thing the city is on the hook for is infrastructure improvements, roads, utilities, and such. The City isn’t paying for any of the arena cost, which is why people area little impatient with the mayor. The part that the city is paying for is essentially an expansion of the convention center to include the Alamodome.

[vy65]

The language is uncalled for. I’ve never called mayor Jones anything but a one termer. The reality is that there isn’t going to be a better deal than the Spurs kicking in $500M, and the only thing the city is on the hook for is infrastructure improvements, roads, utilities, and such. The City isn’t paying for any of the arena cost, which is why people area little impatient with the mayor. The part that the city is paying for is essentially an expansion of the convention center to include the Alamodome.

This is what I don't get. The funding mechanism is a tax on non-San Antonians. I'm unaware of any proposal to use hotel/rental car taxes to feed the homeless that are now being shelved. But the entire conversation doesn't recognize this and seems as though its a tax on the poorest citizens.

[vy65]

dp

[scott]

The language is uncalled for. I’ve never called mayor Jones anything but a one termer. The reality is that there isn’t going to be a better deal than the Spurs kicking in $500M, and the only thing the city is on the hook for is infrastructure improvements, roads, utilities, and such. The City isn’t paying for any of the arena cost, which is why people area little impatient with the mayor. The part that the city is paying for is essentially an expansion of the convention center to include the Alamodome.

It appears that the Spurs have kicked in another $15MM or so in community investments in the latest version of the term sheet. I don't know if the mayor's approach played any role in this or not, but that's an incremental investment into the city that otherwise may not have happened (or is a bill that public funds no longer need to go towards), so it could be viewed as a "win".

I'm not going to make the claim that the mayor is playing 4D chess or something like that, but if they can squeeze some more money out of SS&E, that may give the mayor cover to go with the flow and vote yes in the end and claim her tactics got a better deal. I don't know much about her, but this wouldn't be a crazy negotiating tactic (and I don't think we are anywhere close to the point of the Spurs being a legit threat to leave).

Ultimately, I'm no longer a resident of San Antonio or even Texas, so I don't have a dog in the fight other than to say I really want the Spurs to stay in SA (even though moving to SEA or LAS would give me the opportunity to see many more games.. I want to the Spurs to forever be the team of my hometown).

I do think it's a bit cavalier to simply say "the only the thing the city is on the hook for is..." since that's still a pretty massive dollar figure. My bet is that an independent economic impact study would be quite complementary to the city's portion of the investments, and I think it is completely reasonable to get one... though I'm shocked it hasn't been done already. Kind of nuts, to be honest... and if they city went to Sixth Street to get a study done, that's kind of shady and probably deserving of some scrutiny.

In the end, it seems like the outline of a pretty good deal is here... the Spurs carrying the bulk of the cost for their arena, with public funds going to supporting infrastructure for while the public theoretically benefits from (beyond just the benefit of entertainment). At this point I think it's largely just a matter of some extra millions at the margins, which is still significant money.


This is what I don't get. The funding mechanism is a tax on non-San Antonians. I'm unaware of any proposal to use hotel/rental car taxes to feed the homeless that are now being shelved. But the entire conversation doesn't recognize this and seems as though its a tax on the poorest citizens.

There is an impact on the city to a hotel/rental car tax, it's not just as simple as saying that tourists are footing the bill. However, we are talking about second and third order effects. As with any tax, in theory, the tax burden is shared by each side of the transaction with the share born by each side largely determined by price elasticity curves of supply and demand. So operators of hotels and rental car companies are bearing some of the burden of the tax (which is largely multinational conglomerates anyway, so fuck it, right?) but that also eventually flows to the people who work at these companies (and there are also local independent operators). Beyond that, there is also an impact on tourism that needs to be considered (an industry that San Antonio heavily relies on).

With that said, I think it's still worth it to fund things like this via a hotel and rental car tax, but it's not just as simplistic as saying it's tourists footing the bill and it doesn't impact people who live here.

[vy65]

It appears that the Spurs have kicked in another $15MM or so in community investments in the latest version of the term sheet. I don't know if the mayor's approach played any role in this or not, but that's an incremental investment into the city that otherwise may not have happened (or is a bill that public funds no longer need to go towards), so it could be viewed as a "win".

I'm not going to make the claim that the mayor is playing 4D chess or something like that, but if they can squeeze some more money out of SS&E, that may give the mayor cover to go with the flow and vote yes in the end and claim her tactics got a better deal. I don't know much about her, but this wouldn't be a crazy negotiating tactic (and I don't think we are anywhere close to the point of the Spurs being a legit threat to leave).

Ultimately, I'm no longer a resident of San Antonio or even Texas, so I don't have a dog in the fight other than to say I really want the Spurs to stay in SA (even though moving to SEA or LAS would give me the opportunity to see many more games.. I want to the Spurs to forever be the team of my hometown).

I do think it's a bit cavalier to simply say "the only the thing the city is on the hook for is..." since that's still a pretty massive dollar figure. My bet is that an independent economic impact study would be quite complementary to the city's portion of the investments, and I think it is completely reasonable to get one... though I'm shocked it hasn't been done already. Kind of nuts, to be honest... and if they city went to Sixth Street to get a study done, that's kind of shady and probably deserving of some scrutiny.

In the end, it seems like the outline of a pretty good deal is here... the Spurs carrying the bulk of the cost for their arena, with public funds going to supporting infrastructure for while the public theoretically benefits from (beyond just the benefit of entertainment). At this point I think it's largely just a matter of some extra millions at the margins, which is still significant money.



There is an impact on the city to a hotel/rental car tax, it's not just as simple as saying that tourists are footing the bill. However, we are talking about second and third order effects. As with any tax, in theory, the tax burden is shared by each side of the transaction with the share born by each side largely determined by price elasticity curves of supply and demand. So operators of hotels and rental car companies are bearing some of the burden of the tax (which is largely multinational conglomerates anyway, so fuck it, right?) but that also eventually flows to the people who work at these companies (and there are also local independent operators). Beyond that, there is also an impact on tourism that needs to be considered (an industry that San Antonio heavily relies on).

With that said, I think it's still worth it to fund things like this via a hotel and rental car tax, but it's not just as simplistic as saying it's tourists footing the bill and it doesn't impact people who live here.

I would have to think that the tax is 1) incredibly small - as in, measured in dollars and not tens of dollars and 2) would be entirely passed down to the consumer. Even if borne, in some way, by hotels, you'd think they wouldn't be putting out joint-press releases expressing their support (https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/san-antonio-tourism-leaders-push-for-project-marvel-to-compete-with-other-major-cities). I appreciate the nuance you suggest though, but ultimately, I think the people who would feel the effects of the tax are not residents of the City.

I do think there may be some harm in how the mayor is handling the negotiations - which I say from the perspective of the complete lack of alignment between her and city council. She obviously has a job for her constituents, and any incremental gain from the Spurs is a win - but this isn't a one-time deal. The City and SSE need each other going forward - so if she is burning goodwill because the City should have, but didn't, get its own EIA study months ago, they may very well not be a good thing. This is a relatively minor point admittedly, but the lack of cohesion between her and council members is .... weird.

[djohn2oo8]

She is having a press conference. It’s going to ruffle feathers for sure.

[scott]

I would have to think that the tax is 1) incredibly small - as in, measured in dollars and not tens of dollars and 2) would be entirely passed down to the consumer. Even if borne, in some way, by hotels, you'd think they wouldn't be putting out joint-press releases expressing their support (https://news4sanantonio.com/news/local/san-antonio-tourism-leaders-push-for-project-marvel-to-compete-with-other-major-cities). I appreciate the nuance you suggest though, but ultimately, I think the people who would feel the effects of the tax are not residents of the City.

Even if taxes are completely passed on to the consumer (like sales taxes), the "producer" still bears some of the burden of the tax. Here is an explanation that's as good as any other: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_incidence

Every individual actor needs to decide for themselves if they are for or against something... my sense is that hotels are all for this as whatever tax burden they bear is an investment in the future. Project Marvel/a more vibrant downtown/etc. are all good for their business. I don't have an opinion of whether hotels or rental car companies should be for or against it, I'm just correcting the notion that the burden of the tax falls squarely on tourists.


I do think there may be some harm in how the mayor is handling the negotiations - which I say from the perspective of the complete lack of alignment between her and city council. She obviously has a job for her constituents, and any incremental gain from the Spurs is a win - but this isn't a one-time deal. The City and SSE need each other going forward - so if she is burning goodwill because the City should have, but didn't, get its own EIA study months ago, they may very well not be a good thing. This is a relatively minor point admittedly, but the lack of cohesion between her and council members is .... weird.

I think it will all be water under the bridge between the Spurs and the city once a deal is struck... the only real long term damage is likely between the mayor and the rest of council. The lack of cohesion doesn't surprise me at all, as it strikes me that San Antonio (and most public governing bodies) have been going increasingly in the direction of amateur hour with clowns running the circus (just look at the White House as an illustration).

[BatManu20]

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[djohn2oo8]

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[ChumpDumper]

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Meh, the city flat out refused to pay for SBC anywhere and the county had to come through with the only logical site they owned.

Otherwise, the Spurs would've left decades ago.

If the mayor wants them to leave, she should just say so. No hard feelings. Then she can do whatever unencumbered.

[BatManu20]

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[exstatic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gyq67oNWYAMXe1c?format=jpg&name=large
But not to GOJ. :rollin

[NASpurs]

A commitment of $2.1 billion... is that normal from a sports team that doesn't have the deep pockets like Balmer?

I bet if it was a WNBA team, she would be all over this.

[Dex]

A commitment of $2.1 billion... is that normal from a sports team that doesn't have the deep pockets like Balmer?

I bet if it was a WNBA team, she would be all over this.

And absolutely no one would vote for it unless we somehow got Caitlyn Clark. :lol

[DJR210]

I'm just glad there is still a forum where I can say what needs to be said. Fuck Gina Ortiz Jones, she's nothing more than an ugly carpet munching, Spurs hating bitch and should put some figures behind her stance. Fucking lesbian is into volleyball and softball, she dgaf about the Spurs or what they mean to the city

[NASpurs]

:lol

https://www.ktsa.com/san-antonio-mayor-gina-ortiz-jones-keeps-up-push-for-independent-review-on-project-marvel/

Not long after her press conference, the Mayor stopped by a District 10 budget town hall, hosted by Councilman Marc Whyte.

Jones was invited to speak at the beginning of the town hall and when she brought up the topic of Project Marvel, Whyte attempted to take the microphone from her.

The Mayor urged Whyte’s constituents to tell him to vote for resolution at Thursday’s council meeting.

When Whyte got the microphone back, he told the town hall that the Mayor had agreed to 5 minutes and would not bring up Project Marvel

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Such a giant C*nt :lol she’s another fake that added Ortiz to her name after getting political aspirations. Can’t believe maga didn’t come out droves to vote against this bitch.

[BatManu20]

This chick either has no clue, or she's gaslighting us (likely) by saying that she's speaking on behalf of Spurs fans and that we are the ones who are weary about this new arena :lol

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[ChumpDumper]

I do have to admit her concerns are valid in principle but ultimately what is the alternative? The Spurs are going to a new arena somewhere by 2032. Where else would it be built? In what situation would the Spurs put up more money than they have proposed now? I suppose the city could go small time and just try to get the arena and convention center expansion with a weird ghost town around them in Hemisfair. They could open a Spirit Halloween store in the courthouse. If the city wants to get out of the Spurs and convention business altogether, bulldoze all the crap and make an urban park around the tower.

[exstatic]

I do have to admit her concerns are valid in principle but ultimately what is the alternative? The Spurs are going to a new arena somewhere by 2032. Where else would it be built? In what situation would the Spurs put up more money than they have proposed now? I suppose the city could go small time and just try to get the arena and convention center expansion with a weird ghost town around them in Hemisfair. They could open a Spirit Halloween store in the courthouse. If the city wants to get out of the Spurs and convention business altogether, bulldoze all the crap and make an urban park around the tower.

This is very much my position, and why GOJ has committed political suicide.

[djohn2oo8]

This is very much my position, and why GOJ has committed political suicide.
Committed political suicide how?

[ChumpDumper]

Committed political suicide how?

Being obstructionist without an actual counterproposal and sucking ass at messaging.

[BatManu20]

Her arrogance pisses me off.

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[BatManu20]

Clown show.


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[some_user86]

I am a Democrat. I voted for Kamala, Biden, Hilary, Obama x 2. GOJ represents why people hate Democrats. So incredibly tone deaf and obstinate for no reason. Had Pablos not gone full MAGA at the end, he may have pulled off beating GOJ, and we would have been better for it.

[BatManu20]

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[vy65]

Regardless, the City of SA sure look like a bunch of slapdick idiots right now

[scott]

I do have to admit her concerns are valid in principle but ultimately what is the alternative? The Spurs are going to a new arena somewhere by 2032. Where else would it be built? In what situation would the Spurs put up more money than they have proposed now? I suppose the city could go small time and just try to get the arena and convention center expansion with a weird ghost town around them in Hemisfair. They could open a Spirit Halloween store in the courthouse. If the city wants to get out of the Spurs and convention business altogether, bulldoze all the crap and make an urban park around the tower.

On the flip side - what's the real damage of waiting another 3 months to address the concerns? Is there a real reason that Council has to vote on this term sheet now? Have the Spurs set a deadline by which they'll start negotiating with other cities if a deal with San Antonio is not done? The urgency seems artificial, tbh.

With that said, the Spurs are fortunate that they have the political apparatus and the public on their side, but they appear to be acting in good faith and not taking advantage of that. They could completely railroad the city and county here if they wanted, because it's quite obvious that people who are otherwise "fiscally conservative" or "weary of corporate welfare" throw both of those things out the window when it comes to the Spurs :lol

[ChumpDumper]

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I will get nitpicky here because as I understand it, some regular city taxes WILL go to the project mostly in the form of streets and other infrastructure built around the project. It is not insignificant and should be mentioned in these discussions. I doubt it would be a deal breaker and the project backers shouldn't risk appearing like they are hiding something.

[ChumpDumper]

On the flip side - what's the real damage of waiting another 3 months to address the concerns? Is there a real reason that Council has to vote on this term sheet now? Have the Spurs set a deadline by which they'll start negotiating with other cities if a deal with San Antonio is not done? The urgency seems artificial, tbh.I agree and have mentioned this upstream. The Spurs could technically wait years and actually save upwards of $100 million if they stay out their lease at FBC. I imagine getting this approved ASAP (November) gives them a clear path forward for the next 30 years which definitely isn't nothing, as well as rendering moot any sticker shock San Antonians might experience over time hearing the B-word repeated in the media while it's up in the air.


With that said, the Spurs are fortunate that they have the political apparatus and the public on their side, but they appear to be acting in good faith and not taking advantage of that. They could completely railroad the city and county here if they wanted, because it's quite obvious that people who are otherwise "fiscally conservative" or "weary of corporate welfare" throw both of those things out the window when it comes to the Spurs :lolIt's a YUGE commitment. People need to look back to how hard the county had to bend over for the Spurs with the SBC deal -- it's difficult not to see the Spurs offer (including the lease-breaking payment if that's still a thing) as making up for that now.

[Seventyniner]

What a strange hill for GOJ to die on.

[Biggems]

I am a Democrat. I voted for Kamala, Biden, Hilary, Obama x 2. GOJ represents why people hate Democrats. So incredibly tone deaf and obstinate for no reason. Had Pablos not gone full MAGA at the end, he may have pulled off beating GOJ, and we would have been better for it.

The others also represent why we hate Democrats. You can add Beto, Pocahontas, Newsom, Maxine, Abrams, Ellison, AOC, Omar, Walz, and pretty much every other Democrat.

[itzsoweezee]

The others also represent why we hate Democrats. You can add Beto, Pocahontas, Newsom, Maxine, Abrams, Ellison, AOC, Omar, Walz, and pretty much every other Democrat.

^^^ loves caping for billionaires

[The Truth #6]

Ehh. If this was Trump, it would be "art of the deal!" bullshit from his supporters. We'll see what happens.

[BatManu20]

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[scott]

The $2B number being used is interesting to me, because $1.4B of it is undefined, kind of squishy, and almost comes across as inflated fluff if you know your way around how economic development incentives are spoken about (hint: they're usually bullshit... kind of like Trump's "they investing trillions into our country!" BS). Regardless, even if that number is only $140MM instead of $1.4B, it's still a pretty good deal for the community, IMO.

[baseline bum]

The others also represent why we hate Democrats. You can add Beto, Pocahontas, Newsom, Maxine, Abrams, Ellison, AOC, Omar, Walz, and pretty much every other Democrat.

How dare her help register ######s to vote in Georgia.

[cutewizard]

https://youtu.be/EumPfHuFDAw?si=_uLnCgRpk9EfVO2f

[TekXX]

Hey i think it's great that maybe, just maybe, a corporation would have to explain why they want to take money from people and what that money would be used for? Just because someone doesn't live in San Antonio doesn't mean they deserve to pay more.

[djohn2oo8]

Hey i think it's great that maybe, just maybe, a corporation would have to explain why they want to take money from people and what that money would be used for? Just because someone doesn't live in San Antonio doesn't mean they deserve to pay more.
For example, hotels would be taxed more, correct?

[exstatic]

Hey i think it's great that maybe, just maybe, a corporation would have to explain why they want to take money from people and what that money would be used for? Just because someone doesn't live in San Antonio doesn't mean they deserve to pay more.

Sure it does. I love that Rocket fan and Laker fan pay for our arena.

[CGD]

I mean, if an independent report has been conducted, Spurs and their allies could squash that by publishing it now. Take all the wind out of her sails.

[CGD]

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Was it delivered in May right at the same time there was an election for the Mayor, etc.? 😂

[CGD]

What a strange hill for GOJ to die on.

Maybe, but I also think us diehards overstate the levels of “love for the Spurs” there is in the city.

But Gina has also done a poor job articulating the alternative vision — have to be “for” something and be ready to be judged for that vis-a-vis the alternative (a shiny stadium). People will forever compare.

[Dverde]

Spurs should just announce they are taking meetings with other cities and watch all of you clutch your pearls and light Manu candles. They are paying any overrun costs (so you know it won’t cost more), many cities get stuck with overrun costs. Part of the terms is the Spurs are locked into SA for 30 years. Spurs have minority owners without SA ties.

[ChumpDumper]

Maybe, but I also think us diehards overstate the levels of “love for the Spurs” there is in the city.

But Gina has also done a poor job articulating the alternative vision — have to be “for” something and be ready to be judged for that vis-a-vis the alternative (a shiny stadium). People will forever compare.The mayor can't point to an alternative because there really isn't an alternative to point to. The main mechanism of city funding for this project can only be designated for this project. It's not like they have the $489 million available to spend on anything they want. If the project proceeds, the funding is going to roll in for the next 30 years. If it's not, the funding won't roll in at all.

The county's tax is an existing one and has been used for many other projects when the money wasn't going to the FBC. Not the same.

[Dex]

Hey i think it's great that maybe, just maybe, a corporation would have to explain why they want to take money from people and what that money would be used for? Just because someone doesn't live in San Antonio doesn't mean they deserve to pay more.

Because ultimately it is the people of San Antonio voting for it. And it's easier for them to pitch the idea if the cost isn't falling wholly on San Antonians, but rather those who choose to visit.

Do you think they are going to put out a country-wide notice and be like "Hey, what do you think if your hotel costs $2 more" when anybody who responds doesn't really have a say in the matter?

Do you think people are going to choose not to come to San Antonio because "those darn tax raises"?

[exstatic]

Maybe, but I also think us diehards overstate the levels of “love for the Spurs” there is in the city.

But Gina has also done a poor job articulating the alternative vision — have to be “for” something and be ready to be judged for that vis-a-vis the alternative (a shiny stadium). People will forever compare.

As stated already, she isn’t “for” anything,or at least anything that this funding can be used for.

[BatManu20]

She showed up uninvited lol.

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[exstatic]

She showed up uninvited lol.

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I guess she hasn’t cut her political wrists enough yet.

Gina, you’ve lost the engagement, the battle, and the war. Part of a successful political career is recognizing when that’s happened. You weren’t invited because you are becoming a PITA.

[NASpurs]

She's fucking annoying :lol

[vy65]

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Best comment: "Can she be our mayor?"

[vy65]

If the majority of San Antonians are ok with being committed to $489 with a hard cap on cost overruns, they probably don't think an EIA is necessary. My gut - based on 0 data - is that the majority would be in favor of funding that commitment with a hotel/rental car tax and with a promise of a GMP on that commitment.

Which is a long way of saying this mayor is fucking atrocious.

[exstatic]

Best comment: "Can she be our mayor?"

Gina,if you weren’t crashing events you weren’t invited to, you wouldn’t have to hear hurtful comments like that.

[Biggems]

^^^ loves caping for billionaires

Yawn

[scott]

Best comment: "Can she be our mayor?"

She's tried before, losing badly each and every time.

[scott]

If the majority of San Antonians are ok with being committed to $489 with a hard cap on cost overruns, they probably don't think an EIA is necessary. My gut - based on 0 data - is that the majority would be in favor of funding that commitment with a hotel/rental car tax and with a promise of a GMP on that commitment.

Which is a long way of saying this mayor is fucking atrocious.

The majority of people, in general, are morons. If the Spurs were pitching in zero, or if the Spurs were footing the entire bill, my guess is the same people would be lined up on the same sides, with only a small percentage of folks swinging on the margins.

[koriwhat]

I love my Spurs but I hate more taxes especially seeing how the Alamodome was a failure that cost us a ton and the Frostbank Center was put slap dab in the hood. Why fund such nonsense? The organization itself and the whole of the NBA make tons off ticket sales and merch, especially these days, so they should foot the bill themselves. We lose the Spurs to another city/state, then we lose them.

[rjv]

The majority of people, in general, are morons. If the Spurs were pitching in zero, or if the Spurs were footing the entire bill, my guess is the same people would be lined up on the same sides, with only a small percentage of folks swinging on the margins.

most people can't even take the time to inform themselves and opt to make up their own crap instead. (^ see above)

[heyheymymy]

Spurs Jesus has spoken:

The Lord is my Castle

[koriwhat]

Spurs Jesus has spoken:

The Lord is my Castle

Spurs Jesus, not even 2 yrs ago, was trying to buy in bulk counterfeit Wemby jerseys.

[ChumpDumper]

^career criminal

[heyheymymy]

Spurs Jesus is a douche but also an icon

[koriwhat]

Spurs Jesus is a douche but also an icon

indeed. he's def become apart of the Spurs identity, locally, these days.

[mystargtr34]

She seems kinda low IQ almost Kamala like but not quite as bad. She obviously ticks a lot of diversity boxes so wouldn’t surprise me.

[Trill Clinton]

Spurs Jesus, not even 2 yrs ago, was trying to buy in bulk counterfeit Wemby jerseys.

At least he isnt a pdf file rapist like ya boy

[exstatic]

She seems kinda low IQ almost Kamala like but not quite as bad. She obviously ticks a lot of diversity boxes so wouldn’t surprise me.

I was thinking that a lot of her behaviors cross the line into the area of being narcissistic. I don’t see her being low IQ. Her inability to grasp that she’s not in control or calling the shots, and that her position is a losing one is consistent with the way I described her. It’s not intellectual stupidity, it’s emotional stupidity.

[Dex]

I was thinking that a lot of her behaviors cross the line into the area of being narcissistic. I don’t see her being low IQ. Her inability to grasp that she’s not in control or calling the shots, and that her position is a losing one is consistent with the way I described her. It’s not intellectual stupidity, it’s emotional stupidity.

That's my feeling as well. She is just upset because her opinion is being ignored and the Spurs and City Council are basically just going around her, and now she's stomping her feet over it.

Also, this project has been in the works for 3 years. She's only been mayor for 2 months, and now she feels like she gets to come in and call the shots over it.

Not exactly a good way to win over a city who (by majority) loves the Spurs.

[BatManu20]

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[Leetonidas]

It's going to happen with or without her being on board. Bitch just needs to get out of the way already. SAs one of the biggest cities in the nation and the downtown area is a dump. The city desperately needs this to stay relevant

[NASpurs]

I'm watching the guy live in the KSAT stream. What a fucking asshole. Holy shit stfu

[djohn2oo8]

It's going to happen with or without her being on board. Bitch just needs to get out of the way already. SAs one of the biggest cities in the nation and the downtown area is a dump. The city desperately needs this to stay relevant
Nothing wrong with that. Most cities do independent studies when it comes to things like this. It’s really not out of the ordinary.

[lebomb]

Nothing wrong with that. Most cities do independent studies when it comes to things like this. It’s really not out of the ordinary.

The SPURS did use an independent firm to pull the numbers. Same firm used in Philadelphia.

One thing I can guarantee, noone is going to change their mind if the vote is in November or next May. Whether another independent study is done or not. Minds are already made up much like in politics and religion.

I will also say the SPURS funds on this project is unheard of. The SPURS can get a privately funded arena is several other cities......... Las Vegas, Seattle.........etc.

Old head San Antonians just dont understand the economic impact Project Marvel will have on the city.


SMMFH

[NASpurs]

Peter Holt is talking and Sean Elliott is about to talk.

[ChumpDumper]

Nothing wrong with that. Most cities do independent studies when it comes to things like this. It’s really not out of the ordinary.

What's the alternative to the Spurs' playing at an arena on the Hemisfair site after 2032?

[djohn2oo8]

The SPURS did use an independent firm to pull the numbers. Same firm used in Philadelphia.

One thing I can guarantee, noone is going to change their mind if the vote is in November or next May. Whether another independent study is done or not. Minds are already made up much like in politics and religion.

I will also say the SPURS funds on this project is unheard of. The SPURS can get a privately funded arena is several other cities......... Las Vegas, Seattle.........etc.

Old head San Antonians just dont understand the economic impact Project Marvel will have on the city.


SMMFH
Incorrect

https://www.ksat.com/news/ksat-investigates/2025/08/15/city-hired-firm-for-project-marvel-analysis-has-business-ties-to-san-antonio-spurs/


Spurs will need to win over votes in November. You can’t just expect something to pass without providing public awareness on what this means beyond just the Spurs arena.

[djohn2oo8]

What's the alternative to the Spurs' playing at an arena on the Hemisfair site after 2032?
You’re asking about an alternative. Never said the plan was a bad idea. However, the public needs to be informed before they vote. Can’t just pass something with no secondary analysis just because it’s the Spurs. Isn’t that what happened last time?

For example, what happens to the Alamodome? Frost? That needs to be addressed.

[baseline bum]

You’re asking about an alternative. Never said the plan was a bad idea. However, the public needs to be informed before they vote. Can’t just pass something with no secondary analysis just because it’s the Spurs. Isn’t that what happened last time?

For example, what happens to the Alamodome? Frost? That needs to be addressed.

You and I both know the voting public is never informed or we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now :lol

[ChumpDumper]

You’re asking about an alternative. Never said the plan was a bad idea. However, the public needs to be informed before they vote. Can’t just pass something with no secondary analysis just because it’s the Spurs. Isn’t that what happened last time?No, that's not what happened the last time.

The last time, the city did absolutely nothing and the county had to step up to keep the Spurs in San Antonio in the only site they had available.


For example, what happens to the Alamodome? Frost? That needs to be addressed.The Alamodome is part of the venue PFZ that includes the convention center and the new arena. Its improvements are planned for phase 2 and will be allowed to be funded by the same mechanuism funding the convention center and the arena.

Frost is planned to be run by the Rodeo company year round and will be continued to be maintained by the county. The city has fuck all to do with FBC because they shit the bed thirty years ago.

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[Joseph Kony]

Rug munching dyke needs to stfu and stop trying to fuck over a deal thats been in progress for years now. Can't believe we had to choose between this cunt and some maga loving faggot smh

[BatManu20]

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[BatManu20]

Sean with the goods. Even Bill Land is telling her to get fucked :lol

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[NASpurs]

Eat shit Gina :lol

No to item 4 (to pause which is what she was pushing)

Item 5 is going to be voted on, which is "resolution to execute non-binding term sheet with Spurs"

[djohn2oo8]

Eat shit Gina :lol

No to item 4 (to pause which is what she was pushing)

Item 5 is going to be voted on, which is "resolution to execute non-binding term sheet with Spurs"
It was always going to pass the council vote. November is the biggun.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

It was always going to pass the council vote. November is the biggun.
:lol You just worry about that shithole the Toyota center or whatever they call it. we got it here ok?

[BatManu20]

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[Dverde]

I figured the best ending would have been the city getting an independent study then having it go in the Spurs’ favor resulting in the city having to pay more :lol

[Dex]

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:lol considering one of those votes was her own...

[Leetonidas]

Sean with the goods. Even Bill Land is telling her to get fucked :lol

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Sean is the fucking man. Not to sound too corny but he truly embodies what it means to be a Spur in our community. Absolute legend

[NASpurs]

Item 5 just passed 7-4

[Dex]

So at this point it just comes down to the public vote in November?

[goliath]

What's the alternative to the Spurs' playing at an arena on the Hemisfair site after 2032?
The Spurs playing in an arena in Las Vegas or Seattle

[Extra Stout]

Expect GOJ to start a full-court press campaign to vote No in November, complete with character assassinations of the Holt family and SA business leaders.

[ace3g]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gy55Dp0XIAAQsmG?format=jpg&name=large

[koriwhat]

At least he isnt a pdf file rapist like ya boy

Who's my boy? Say it with your chest bro!

Cry harder you pussy. :tu

[Dex]

At least he isnt a pdf file rapist like ya boy


Who's my boy? Say it with your chest bro!

Cry harder you pussy. :tu

Can you both take your pissing contest to the Political Forum?

[Jordan Jackson]

Mayor GOJ is about to go scorched earth. DSA’s whole shtick is fighting billionaires/corporations - and that’s how this whole thing is being framed.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. But if you want the Spurs to stay, I would encourage organizing get out the vote type campaigns. Because you better believe DSA will organize one around a “No” vote.

[koriwhat]

Can you both take your pissing contest to the Political Forum?

Don't blame me. Trill knows no bounds to being ideologically captured.

[pRoshi]

Mayor GOJ is about to go scorched earth. DSA’s whole shtick is fighting billionaires/corporations - and that’s how this whole thing is being framed.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. But if you want the Spurs to stay, I would encourage organizing get out the vote type campaigns. Because you better believe DSA will organize one around a “No” vote.

Absolutely agree, this one is going to be fun to vote for. I hope its completely lopsided in favor of the spurs.

[Dex]

Mayor GOJ is about to go scorched earth. DSA’s whole shtick is fighting billionaires/corporations - and that’s how this whole thing is being framed.

I don’t have a dog in this fight. But if you want the Spurs to stay, I would encourage organizing get out the vote type campaigns. Because you better believe DSA will organize one around a “No” vote.

Fortunately the Spurs are a San Antonio institution and have been for over 50 years. The city LOVES the Spurs, so they are already leading in the race in terms of voters.

GOJ has been in office two months, so if she thinks she has that type of clout...good luck.

[T Park]

I think after this you’ll see GOC and the other city leaders meet. Say look we had it out, vote is done, there is zero benefit to opposing a COUNTY vote.

She’s in there for 4 years unfortunately, so she doesn’t have to, but if she had one brain cell, which is doubtful, she’d just acquiesce, and go along.

[T Park]

I think after this you’ll see GOC and the other city leaders meet. Say look we had it out, vote is done, there is zero benefit to opposing a COUNTY vote.

She’s in there for 4 years unfortunately, so she doesn’t have to, but if she had one brain cell, which is doubtful, she’d just acquiesce, and go along.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Why is rocketfan here desperately hoping it won’t pass and posting every useless mayor update?