Woj: Zach Collins agrees to 2-year 35 million $ extension

[RC_Drunkford]

got em locked up. 17 million was exactly what I predicted he would fetch on the open market.

1716134420434780573

[PrimeMinister]

hell yeah!!!

[Mr. Body]

May be the second best player on the team

[Chinook]

Hmm... I guess there are mechanics in this new CBA I hadn't heard about? I heard the 40-percent thing. But did they change the "or MLE" alternative to be something bigger?

[KingKev]

He is officially part of the Spurs family. We gave him a second chance and he took some money off the table vs betting on himself because he was positioned to show out this yr and get a better deal this offseason. Wemby effect.

[Atl Spur]

Well done Zollins

[BillMc]

Nice!!!

[spurraider21]

Hmm... I guess there are mechanics in this new CBA I hadn't heard about? I heard the 40-percent thing. But did they change the "or MLE" alternative to be something bigger?
Yeah i thought his eligibility was 140% of his current salary but guess i was wrong.

really like this deal

hell of a reclamation project he’s been, and still young. I brought up yesterday that there aren’t really any other realistic options for centers that can both hit the 3 ball and also punish mismatches in the post. He’s one of them

[Chinook]

This should definitely mean Zach isn't traded this season. Obviously I don't know this CBA all that well, but I think the six-month prohibition against trading extended players should totally apply in this case.

[Degoat]

Proud moment for Zach, I remember ST losing their minds when we signed him initially lol glad he’s been able to stay healthy and contribute like he has.

[spurraider21]

This should definitely mean Zach isn't traded this season. Obviously I don't know this CBA all that well, but I think the six-month prohibition against trading extended players should totally apply in this case.
From what i just read on twitter there is the 6mo prohibition which goes beyond the deadline, so there is no trading him this season

[BillMc]

This should definitely mean Zach isn't traded this season. Obviously I don't know this CBA all that well, but I think the six-month prohibition against trading extended players should totally apply in this case.

Was there a reason to believe he was likely to be traded? Rumors I missed?

And I know you're the CBA expert, what by the old rules was the max they could have extended him? Thanks.

[BillMc]

Proud moment for Zach, I remember ST losing their minds when we signed him initially lol glad he’s been able to stay healthy and contribute like he has.

Will fit better with Wemby than Poetel ever would. (And I liked Jakob)

[mudyez]

Nice! Now stay Rambo!

[Chinook]

Was there a reason to believe he was likely to be traded? Rumors I missed?

And I know you're the CBA expert, what by the old rules was the max they could have extended him? Thanks.

As SR21 was saying, there used to be a rule that you could increase the salary by 20 percent of the previous year or the MLE (whichever is higher). We got confirmation that they raised the 20-percent boost to 40 in this CBA. But I didn't see any indication that the MLE wasn't still the alternative limit. It seems like it has been updated. Maybe something like "200 percent of the MLE" or something now?

To clarify, there was no reason to believe he'd be traded. But it rules out any idea that they were willing to trade guys away if they're having a bad season again. Collins isn't being paid so much that he has to be a starting center in 2025, but he is definitely being locked in as the starter this whole season. He's not going to be "Poeltl'd"

[spurraider21]

As SR21 was saying, there used to be a rule that you could increase the salary by 20 percent of the previous year or the MLE (whichever is higher). We got confirmation that they raised the 20-percent boost to 40 in this CBA. But I didn't see any indication that the MLE wasn't still the alternative limit. It seems like it has been updated. Maybe something like "200 percent of the MLE" or something now?

To clarify, there was no reason to believe he'd be traded. But it rules out any idea that they were willing to trade guys away if they're having a bad season again. Collins isn't being paid so much that he has to be a starting center in 2025, but he is definitely being locked in as the starter this whole season. He's not going to be "Poeltl'd"
MLE is like 12 mil now, so this is close to 1.4x MLE

[Bruno]

He likely signed the max extension allowed over 2 years.

His max extension start at 140% of the estimated average salary, which is $11,958,000, with a 8% yearly salary raise:
2024-2025: $16,741,200
2025-2026: $18,080,496
For a total of : 34,821,696

[John B]

He plays with gusto and having “only one gear” as hecsaid when asked about that Barlow block. He has that fight in him every possession, which I was looking from Poeltl, and will not back-down from anyone. The Wemby effect would just motivate him more knowing he could be playing for championships for a long time. A great reclamation indeed.

[BillMc]

As SR21 was saying, there used to be a rule that you could increase the salary by 20 percent of the previous year or the MLE (whichever is higher). We got confirmation that they raised the 20-percent boost to 40 in this CBA. But I didn't see any indication that the MLE wasn't still the alternative limit. It seems like it has been updated. Maybe something like "200 percent of the MLE" or something now?

To clarify, there was no reason to believe he'd be traded. But it rules out any idea that they were willing to trade guys away if they're having a bad season again. Collins isn't being paid so much that he has to be a starting center in 2025, but he is definitely being locked in as the starter this whole season. He's not going to be "Poeltl'd"


He likely signed the max extension allowed over 2 years.

His max extension start at 140% of the estimated average salary, which is $11,958,000, with a 8% yearly salary raise:
2024-2025: $16,741,200
2025-2026: $18,080,496
For a total of : 34,821,696

Thanks guys.

[Leetonidas]

Cheaper and better than Poeltl. Good job :tu

[r0drig0lac]

great news!!

[GB20]

This is a good deal for the spurs!!

[CGD]

Excellent! I’ve always been high on him.

[slick'81]

Hes rehabbed and stayed healthy. The rest is gravy

[Bruno]

In the current economical NBA landscape, it's a quite reasonable contract. There are injuries concern with Collins but it's mitigated with this being only a two years extension. Collins, with his outside shoot and a quite good mobility, is theoretically a really nice fit to play alongside Wembanyama.

With the Vassell and Collins extensions, it seems Spurs are taking the safe road to rebuild. They likely won't have enough cap space to go after the biggest free agents next summer. A gamble move could have been not to extend Collins and try to go after Nic Claxton next summer. Risk would have been very high, with Claxton likely signing with another team, and reward would have been maybe not so great, with potential offensive spacing issues.

[exstatic]

In the current economical NBA landscape, it's a quite reasonable contract. There are injuries concern with Collins but it's mitigated with this being only a two years extension. Collins, with his outside shoot and a quite good mobility, is theoretically a really nice fit to play alongside Wembanyama.

With the Vassell and Collins extensions, it seems Spurs are taking the safe road to rebuild. They likely won't have enough cap space to go after the biggest free agents next summer. A gamble move could have been not to extend Collins and try to go after Nic Claxton next summer. Risk would have been very high, with Claxton likely signing with another team, and reward would have been maybe not so great, with potential offensive spacing issues.

Nic Claxton <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Collins

[Harry Callahan]

Good player - he's playing with confidence again. Having him on board the next three years sounds great to me.

Pop, RC, and the partnership/governor group wants to start winning SOON! And get a new arena. :king

[John B]

Good player - he's playing with confidence again. Having him on board the next three years sounds great to me.

Pop, RC, and the partnership/governor group wants to start winning SOON! And get a new arena. :king

They might. Wemby is proving everyone that he belongs NOW and not that skinny 19 years old. Of course he’s far from a finished product and still tons to improve, but seemingly he can handle himself in the NBA. Locking a “veteran” (of course it’s his 3rd year of being healthy) Collins would suggest they will start competing and not tank for a high draft pick imo.

[Dverde]

Spurs Ski Bully Legend

https://i.postimg.cc/x1DB9gQf/2-E64-C452-EAC0-41-F9-9828-9-AB5069-E503-F.jpg

[Mr. Body]

Spurs Ski Bully Legend

https://i.postimg.cc/x1DB9gQf/2-E64-C452-EAC0-41-F9-9828-9-AB5069-E503-F.jpg

Exactly. I think that's Ram second from the right, the guy from Heathers.

[Mr. Body]

Nic Claxton <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Collins

Claxton is a better rebounder and fiercer shotblocker, but I wouldn't replace Collins with him. Zach is absolutely perfect for what the team wants to do, his shooting, high post hub abilities, his ability to punish mismatches down low, and especially his passing. I do think he could be a better rebounder but he's hardly the problem there among the starters.

Long-term is an intesting topic. He'll be 28-29 at the end of this contract, right in his prime. I don't think they'll be looking to replace him, but they could draft a center if they find a good prospect.

[John B]

Claxton is a better rebounder and fiercer shotblocker, but I wouldn't replace Collins with him. Zach is absolutely perfect for what the team wants to do, his shooting, high post hub abilities, his ability to punish mismatches down low, and especially his passing. I do think he could be a better rebounder but he's hardly the problem there among the starters.

Long-term is an intesting topic. He'll be 28-29 at the end of this contract, right in his prime. I don't think they'll be looking to replace him, but they could draft a center if they find a good prospect.

I like Bassey a lot, high bball IQ. He can pass, rebound, has range. And Bediako if he ever pans out, could be an elite post defender.

[CGD]

By my count this gives the spurs 12M in cap space assuming they dump Doug, Graham, and maybe Champ.

[Mr. Body]

I like Bassey a lot, high bball IQ. He can pass, rebound, has range. And Bediako if he ever pans out, could be an elite post defender.

I think we won't see Bediako for very long. I do think Bassey could really turn out. We'll see him start taking more outside shots and has the vision to be next in the Poeltl-Collins pipeline of high post facilitation.

[Fireball]

Cheaper and better than Poeltl. Good job :tu

he fits better besides Wemby because of the 3 pt shot ... but overall Poeltl is still the better player ...

[John B]

I think we won't see Bediako for very long. I do think Bassey could really turn out. We'll see him start taking more outside shots and has the vision to be next in the Poeltl-Collins pipeline of high post facilitation.

Bediako, Barlow are 21 and 20 and will have the motivation to play with Wemby’s team (and that includes Wesley). I think they will be higly motivated to improve in Austin. Very bright future for this very young team.

[TD 21]

State Of The Spurs (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301764)


Collins: Will undoubtedly have third year fully guaranteed (stealth extension candidate?). Fringe starter, with rare malleability, versatility.

Summer League Game Thread - WEMBY'S DEBUT - Spurs/Hornets 7/7/23 @ 8PM CDT on ESPN - Page 35 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302240&page=35&p=10927583#post10927583)


Collins is far more likely to be extended than traded.

Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's - Page 8 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302102&page=8&p=10917196#post10917196)


Given what Reid (3/$42M) and Stewart (4/$64M) received, if Collins can build off of last season by proving he can withstand starter's minutes for a full season, he's in line for a contract in that range.

Considering his injury history, the reality that he wouldn't start and at least sometimes close on most teams and the promising future this team now appears to possess, I don't see his representation playing hardball.

Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's - Page 8 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302102&page=8&p=10917196#post10917196)


His theoretical fit next to Wembanyama (versatility that should allow them to be interchangeable offensively) is too rare to discard for the middling asset(s) he's worth.

2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT - Page 69 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302199&page=69&p=10922172#post10922172)


Said it before but it bears repeating for those obsessed with adding a rotational C: The Heat made two Finals and three Conference Finals in four seasons with a bunch of undrafted players playing relatively important roles throughout.

If they could do that, then surely the re-building Spurs can provide opportunity for similar types to do the same.


Good. With Plumlee officially off the board, that takes care of the final free agent rim running C, who'd have been guaranteed a rotation spot, to further clog up the offense and limit some of the younger bigs.

Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's - Page 8 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302102&page=8&p=10917196#post10917196)


I wouldn't. Hopefully they don't target a starting C (would limit rotational flexibility), especially one with poor feel, who can't protect the rim, defend in space or space the floor.

[tonight...you]

State Of The Spurs (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=301764)



Summer League Game Thread - WEMBY'S DEBUT - Spurs/Hornets 7/7/23 @ 8PM CDT on ESPN - Page 35 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302240&page=35&p=10927583#post10927583)



Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's - Page 8 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302102&page=8&p=10917196#post10917196)



Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's - Page 8 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302102&page=8&p=10917196#post10917196)



2023 NBA Free Agency Thread - June 30 @ 5 pm CDT - Page 69 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302199&page=69&p=10922172#post10922172)





Fischer: "There's A Growing Belief Among League Personnel That San Antonio Will Target Starting C's - Page 8 (spurstalk.com) (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=302102&page=8&p=10917196#post10917196)

Good calls. You've been nailing it.

[objective]

I was hugely wrong on his first contract, so good for Collins

Re: Claxton, though he may be a better defender than Collins, he can't space the floor which is why they have trouble playing him with Simmons. On top of that, his best role on offense is as rim running lob guy but the Spurs aren't good at those plays anyway

[RC_Drunkford]

I think a mobile Center who can stretch the floor is more valuable in today's NBA than a bruiser big. I can understand that people would like to have a more traditional big man next to Wemby who does the dirty work, but we have Bassey for that. Collins only weakness is that he gets overpowered by bigger NBA centers like Embiid, but with the post up basically being an inefficient play nowadays, defending the 3 and being able to switch is more valuable.

[baseline bum]

I wanna say nice signing, but since it worked out well last time I'll have to stick with WTF BrAin wR0nG? as my reaction.

[Mal]

Good deal

[jjspur]

Its a great deal for both the spurs and Zollins as it provides a bit of stability going forward - so long as he stays fairly healthy. He must have had faith in the spurs medical personnel. Much rather have a healthy Zollins at center than Poeltl to be honest. At least he can hit his free throws and has a bit of a mean streak, something this team needs.

[Dex]

Proud moment for Zach, I remember ST losing their minds when we signed him initially lol glad he’s been able to stay healthy and contribute like he has.

Agreed. I think people "lost their minds" because we've seen many reclamation projects that haven't panned out.

This is one of the cases where it worked out for both parties. Spurs got him healthy and now he is a solid piece on an up-and-coming team, and he got his friendly contract and some security going forward with a chance to bank a big deal in a couple years if he plays well.

For a guy who looked like he was on his way to dipping out of the league, it's a great success story.

[rankingtear]

Nice. I thought this is not possible to get it to that number. FO doing work.

[spurs10]

Agreed. I think people "lost their minds" because we've seen many reclamation projects that haven't panned out.

This is one of the cases where it worked out for both parties. Spurs got him healthy and now he is a solid piece on an up-and-coming team, and he got his friendly contract and some security going forward with a chance to bank a big deal in a couple years if he plays well.

For a guy who looked like he was on his way to dipping out of the league, it's a great success story. Well said and great to see! Go Zach!

[BackHome]

I think it's pretty incredible of what he did not many professional athletes can come back from all the surgeries he had in a short span of his career - 2 fractured ankles, 1 fractured foot, 1 major shoulder injury, 1 Fibula Fracture. To go through all those surgeries and rehab and get back to starting in the NBA is pretty damn amazing. The guy is just a fighter you can't overcome that unless you have that warrior spirt. I am happy for him and wish him much success and hope he can stay longer then two years with the Spurs family

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/spurs/status/1716266954200174841

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/Casey_Viera/status/1716268546785755308

[barakz21]

Good! Health issues aside, Zollins is the perfect big for the Spurs next to Wemby. Can score both from the 3, and the post, is mobile enough do defend modern bigs while not being a turnstile on D against bigger centers. Has some playmaking, has that dawg in him but most importantly you know he’s gonna have Wemby’s back like he did Sochan’s last year.

[LeBowen]

As already said, until we get some actual shooters and Wemby's shot becomes consistant, we simply can't start a big who can't stretch the floor.

Collins is as good as it gets on offense for a non all-star big. His three never looked better, he's great in post and a solid passer.
His defense is getting better, but we won't have rim protection issues onwards.

Hopefully he stays healthy, great value for the money.


Btw, did the server finally get updated? Forum is actually loading in reasonably fast now.

[ace3g]

https://twitter.com/JazzTamir1/status/1716263736703357111

[timtonymanu]

Proved me wrong. Now let’s hope he keeps this up. :tu

[KingKev]

Zach got a lil thug in him tho frfr

[stephen jackson]

Ehh lil high but whatever we don’t get anyone anyways

[Cabrito]

Can you imagine if Luka (our draft pick) had the attitude towards his craft and being part of a team that Zach has? We would be doing back flips if Luka had developed into the player Zach is becoming.

[rjv]

In the current economical NBA landscape, it's a quite reasonable contract. There are injuries concern with Collins but it's mitigated with this being only a two years extension. Collins, with his outside shoot and a quite good mobility, is theoretically a really nice fit to play alongside Wembanyama.

With the Vassell and Collins extensions, it seems Spurs are taking the safe road to rebuild. They likely won't have enough cap space to go after the biggest free agents next summer. A gamble move could have been not to extend Collins and try to go after Nic Claxton next summer. Risk would have been very high, with Claxton likely signing with another team, and reward would have been maybe not so great, with potential offensive spacing issues.

not to mention that FA signings are become less common when it comes to top tier players. with the spurs still holding plenty of assets, they are still poised to make trades down the road should they be in need of another super star.

[vander]

still young, and yet next year he will be the oldest Spur, other than maybe Osman
KJ will be 2nd oldest
crazy

[Mr. Body]

still young, and yet next year he will be the oldest Spur, other than maybe Osman
KJ will be 2nd oldest
crazy

I think the Spurs have fourteen players 24 years-old and younger, plus Zach at 25.

[The Truth #6]

Zach got a lil thug in him tho frfr

Yeah I like that about him. That in itself is a huge jump from too many of the prior players who were technically skilled but way too passive.

[Mr. Body]

Zach got a lil thug in him tho frfr

You mean Cobra Kai.

[exstatic]

You mean Cobra Kai.

Yeah, that Malibu Beach House thing is wrong. He's pure Reseda, just like Daniel San.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Happy for him. Good signing for the Spurs as well.

[Fizziksman]

He's here to protect Wemby from trash like Dillon Brooks

[Fizziksman]

:lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2::lobt2:

[Dejounte]

This guy fucking sucks against Sengun. Literally a traffic cone against him. Doesnt box out. Lets Sengun run in and get easy rebounds. Countless post moves that he couldnt stop. Just bench him whenever there’s a game against the Rockets.

[spurraider21]

This guy fucking sucks against Sengun. Literally a traffic cone against him. Doesnt box out. Lets Sengun run in and get easy rebounds. Countless post moves that he couldnt stop. Just bench him whenever there’s a game against the Rockets.
he bullied sengun in preseason, get destroyed today

[playblair]

This guy fucking sucks against Sengun. Literally a traffic cone against him. Doesnt box out. Lets Sengun run in and get easy rebounds. Countless post moves that he couldnt stop. Just bench him whenever there’s a game against the Rockets.
an american aau player that lacks fundamentals is a traffic cone vs a european player...........what a revelation u have made u should be an nba scout.......

[scott]

Definitely got clowned by Sengun today, would have liked to have seen Bassey get more run. Collins does not thrive against physical centers like Lively, Sengun. It’s gonna get ugly when we play Philly.

[cd98]

Dude this is silly. Collins is a good player. He didn't play well today, but still had big plays and was an important part of winning.

[RC_Drunkford]

This is the big weakness of Collins: he can‘t guard physical bigs down low. What I‘m wondering is WTF happened to his 3-point shot? He‘s 0/11 for the season

[SpursFan86]

Definitely a rough game given the terrible 3 point shooting + getting dominated by Sengun, but he at least still found ways to contribute and wasn’t unplayable or anything. Better days ahead for Zach.

[Chinook]

I don't love his fit with Wemby that much. I'd rather see the team tey to get Collins more minutes as the single big and have Bassey run with Wemby. Then play through Collins when Wemby is out. That actually sort of happened today, which is where the assists came from. Give him a couple of those threes and his line looks very good.

[onechance87]

i mean he tried....cant ask for more...hopefully he finds his shot

[Atl Spur]

A tough day at the office….. lol

[TekXX]

Why didn't we take Sengun? He also could've been a project to work on for the coaching staff.

[MultiTroll]

Overmatched also against athletic faster SFs.
Like virtually 4-5 African Americans on the Rockets.

Zollins was physically in the right spot but man he got worked for how many points when contesting? Anyone got the site with that stat.
Contesting D Scored Upon.

[rascal]

Dude this is silly. Collins is a good player. He didn't play well today, but still had big plays and was an important part of winning.

He stinks. Can't jump

One reason why the Spurs are still a weak team.

[EricB]

lol Collin’s stinks


fuck right off

[tonight...you]

Why didn't we take Sengun? He also could've been a project to work on for the coaching staff.
Wouldn't have gotten Wemby then.
The Universe is moving in the correct path.

[itzsoweezee]

This guy might be the worst defensive big man I’ve ever seen. Worse than an elephant, he’s basically a traffic cone

[Floyd Pacquiao]

Every time I look up he’s getting dunked on

[Obstructed_View]

He's overmatched, but he plays hard, he plays smart, and he's a great teammate. He is the anti-Samanic.

[GAustex]

He does get dunked on and pushed around
A lot

[mookie2001]

This guy might be the worst defensive big man I’ve ever seen. Worse than an elephant, he’s basically a traffic cone

this

[John B]

I like Collins a lot especially his dog in him, always putting 100% out there. But he is getting pushed around in the paint. Is Bassey perhaps the better defensive pair for Wemby? The Spurs got out scored huge in the paint. I’m sure Pop will have that as a concern

[onechance87]

boy does collins work hard on defence....Not sure he can keep up with this abuse...But rather him then wemby lol

[Raven]

he's playing well and smart but players are just really good at finishing through traffic and he doesn't have the tools to counter that. It's ok.

[Mal]

Collins is thrown out there, to protect Wemby for doing this stuff and Bassey is also not ready. Similar to Sochan running the point - Pop has something on his mind and have to trust him.

[CGD]

He does get dunked on and pushed around
A lot

In fairness Según is a handful on offense. He does this to lots of people. The issue with Segun, is the same his fellow countryman Anis Kanter had, they give it ALL back on the defensive end. I understand the game plan of attacking him with Zach on that side of the floor, it’s just that Zach couldn’t really convert last night.

[CGD]

Collins is thrown out there, to protect Wemby for doing this stuff and Bassey is also not ready. Similar to Sochan running the point - Pop has something on his mind and have to trust him.

I agree, I also think it’s not accident the contract is only for 2 years after this one. Hopefully by then Wemby is a full time 5.

[venitian navigator]

Once Collins makes some threes he instantly becomes a lethal weapon on offense... And he looked like this for some time till these recent struggles... Imho is just a little confidence problem that he should soon take care of...

[itzsoweezee]

In fairness Según is a handful on offense. He does this to lots of people. The issue with Segun, is the same his fellow countryman Anis Kanter had, they give it ALL back on the defensive end. I understand the game plan of attacking him with Zach on that side of the floor, it’s just that Zach couldn’t really convert last night.

I suppose Collins then has a lot in common with the Turks. Zach made Lively look like a superstar too.

[NASpurs]

It's fun reading the first page of this thread

[timtonymanu]

Lol applauding the front office for once again giving out a charity contract. “Thank you Zach. :cry: you’re so healthy now.”

[Leetonidas]

Cheaper and better than Poeltl. Good job :tu

Dumbass

[Robz4000]

Ooooffff.

[rascal]

Spurstalk was happy they signed him.

Mr. Boby thinks he's the second best player on the team.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

I’d rather have fucking prime matt Bonner starting than this cocksucka

[objective]

Albatross contract killing their capspace until just before Wemby gets a new deal

Love affair player who Pop thinks can do no wrong

No spacing

No rebounds

No rim protection

No defense

No rim running

All the turnovers

Roll him up with the Chicago pick and Graham and go get DeRozan to get out from under the contract this summer

[NASpurs]

I’d rather have fucking prime matt Bonner starting than this cocksucka

I agree, at least Bonner shot 41% from 3 for his career and knew his role.

Also this:

https://stathead.com/basketball/player-game-finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=bonnema01&ccomp%5B1%5D=gt&cval%5B1%5D=20&cstat%5B1%5D=fga

Matt Bonner, For single games, in the NBA/BAA, in the regular season, requiring Field Goal Attempts >= 20, sorted by descending Points.

Sorry, there are no results for your search

[Obstructed_View]

Once Collins makes some threes he instantly becomes a lethal weapon on offense... And he looked like this for some time till these recent struggles... Imho is just a little confidence problem that he should soon take care of...
Ooh, be sure to wake me when that happens!

[timtonymanu]

Bonner was in the right place and the right time. Put him on this team and he will be put in an even worse situation and probably still would be our 2nd best player.

[z0sa]

Bonner would be cookin' books with the looks Zollins gets. No cap.

[tbdog]

Collins as the starting 5 is a problem. He could be a nice option off the bench in a horns offense. I prefer him at the 4 on the elbow. But we know how the team is. He is playing a too big of a role and trying to create space*. That's never his game.

[Silentbob]

spurs must be tanking. why would in gods green earth they give zollins 20 FGA like he's prime duncan

[poopbox]

I wasn't mad at the extension but man this dude has fallen off a cliff since he signed it. He don't make open 3's he doesn't defend the rim the only thing he does that isn't absolutely bottom of the barrel is try and pass to Wemby occasionally :lol

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

35 million for a big who can't make point blank shots. Disgusting

[Chinook]

Collins is playing reasonably well. I don't think he's a good fit with Wemby though. I think playing in a two-big offense with poor spacing and no PG is really hurting him. Feels like if Collins' Wemby minutes were in a unit with Jones, McDermott and Vassell it could work, and he'd use the non-Wemby minutes to operate as the single big. Feels like a broken record, but Bassey is not that good yet should still get more Wemby minutes because he's the closest thing the Spurs have to the downhill big that probably creates the most spacing for a Wemby-centric offense. Someone like Mason Plumlee -- at least back when he was younger -- might look really good next to Victor. Willing shot-blocker and strong finisher, but also unselfish with good BBIQ.

[onechance87]

fire this dumb gm....Alot of thought it was a good gamble,But none of are getting paid the big bucks to
make the decisions,He is...And pretty fast its looking like a big mistake

[freetiago]

Collins is basically David Lee. Good offense who gets torched defensively by every no name. He can be a good big of a bench for a team but he’s not starting material on a contender. Victor just needs to suck it up and play the 5. NBA has very few bigs who score score in the post all game and they can always just double the post.

[onechance87]

Collins is basically David Lee. Good offense who gets torched defensively by every no name. He can be a good big of a bench for a team but he’s not starting material on a contender. Victor just needs to suck it up and play the 5. NBA has very few bigs who score score in the post all game and they can always just double the post.

You wnt him battling towns and gobert and edwards by himself in the paint huh,He will be injured real fast

[RC_Drunkford]

I thought it was a good extension at first, but it's clearly a bad contract now. His 3-point shooting has fallen off a cliff and he can't protect the rim. At best he's your 6th man as a scoring punch at the 5 off the bench and for that 17 million is definitely too much. They will have to trade him at some point

[duncan2150]

Collins is basically David Lee. Good offense who gets torched defensively by every no name. He can be a good big of a bench for a team but he’s not starting material on a contender. Victor just needs to suck it up and play the 5. NBA has very few bigs who score score in the post all game and they can always just double the post.

Lee was at least a really solid rebounder.

Im really tired of zach's game, jacking up 3 pts shots. Agree with some he'll be better of the bench.

[timtonymanu]

Stupid front office saving up money just so they waste it on doofuses like Zollins.

[Raven]

he has to finish better, no two ways about it.

[rankingtear]

He also had an awful stretch last year before hitting 40+ to end the season.

[Obstructed_View]

Collins is basically David Lee. Good offense who gets torched defensively by every no name. He can be a good big of a bench for a team but he’s not starting material on a contender. Victor just needs to suck it up and play the 5. NBA has very few bigs who score score in the post all game and they can always just double the post.
Collins is David Lee when he was a Spur maybe. Lee was a walking double double in his prime and if he ever shot a three it was at the end of a quarter.

These "Victor is a center because he R tall" takes are getting old.

[slick'81]

He was passable until that new deal

[z0sa]

Collins as the starting 5 is a problem. He could be a nice option off the bench in a horns offense. I prefer him at the 4 on the elbow. But we know how the team is. He is playing a too big of a role and trying to create space*. That's never his game.

I'm over Vic being a 5 already. His mindset is that of KD or LeBron. He wants to drive the ball, or set screens and run for an easy one. Pounding in the post is NOT his game and it's likely the bulk he'd need to do it consistently on both sides would destroy his body.

He should start getting isos, point blank. If we're going to lose a bajillion games, let him get comfortable and make some mistakes/learn what he can and can't do and needs to work on in the offseason dribbling/driving wise etc instead of playing him as a 4th option (because KJ, Vassell and Collins think they need to shoot more)

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Collins is playing reasonably well. I don't think he's a good fit with Wemby though. I think playing in a two-big offense with poor spacing and no PG is really hurting him. Feels like if Collins' Wemby minutes were in a unit with Jones, McDermott and Vassell it could work, and he'd use the non-Wemby minutes to operate as the single big. Feels like a broken record, but Bassey is not that good yet should still get more Wemby minutes because he's the closest thing the Spurs have to the downhill big that probably creates the most spacing for a Wemby-centric offense. Someone like Mason Plumlee -- at least back when he was younger -- might look really good next to Victor. Willing shot-blocker and strong finisher, but also unselfish with good BBIQ.


What is this Wemby centric offense you speak of?

[The Truth #6]

He's a stretch 5 that isn't stretching the court much at all right now. Stretching our patience maybe. He isn't the long-term answer at the 5. But I like him in a smaller role down the road.

[JeffDuncan]

I thought it was a good extension at first, but it's clearly a bad contract now. His 3-point shooting has fallen off a cliff and he can't protect the rim. At best he's your 6th man as a scoring punch at the 5 off the bench and for that 17 million is definitely too much. They will have to trade him at some point


I thought it was a good contract too, dammit. What the heck have the Spurs done to Collins’ 3pt shooting?? Never mind, don’t tell me, I know what they’ve done. They have “coached“ him. This version of Spurs “coaching” is the kiss of death. Everything it touches, withers.

The way Collins is now, he’s not very useful off the bench, either. It’s a sad situation.

[vy65]

Money well spent. Really glad we can’t offload this guy this year too.

[onechance87]

great gm we got

[GAustex]

Some of them posts on page 1 are beauties

[RC_Drunkford]

Spurs need to get rid of his contract as soon as possible. Gotta salary dump him in the offseason.

[keithington1]

Why didn't we take Sengun? He also could've been a project to work on for the coaching staff.


Some of them posts on page 1 are beauties

[scott]

Some of them posts on page 1 are beauties

I deserve all the shame in the world for anything positive I may have said about this deal

[MannyIsGod]

Its honestly not a horrendous contract but it does eat into the cap room this year which sucks if they were indeed planning on a tank this year. It's only 2 seasons so they can get off it easily, but they should not dump him unless they absolutely need to free up space for a signing. He's not as bad as many here make him out to be and if he would just stop trying to be 7 foot Curry and focus on what he does well taht would be good. He could easily return to being a positive player if the Spurs used him appropriately.

[Mugen]

Salary filler for the inevitable trade, he'll be useful for that at least tbh.

[Dejounte]

Its honestly not a horrendous contract but it does eat into the cap room this year which sucks if they were indeed planning on a tank this year. It's only 2 seasons so they can get off it easily, but they should not dump him unless they absolutely need to free up space for a signing. He's not as bad as many here make him out to be and if he would just stop trying to be 7 foot Curry and focus on what he does well taht would be good. He could easily return to being a positive player if the Spurs used him appropriately.

This Is The Problem With Some Fans Who View A Player’s Effectiveness Strictly On One Side Of The Court. Even If Collins Suddenly Did Become A 7 Foot Curry, He’s One Of The Worst Defensive Big Men In The League.

[Mugen]

Spurs need to get rid of his contract as soon as possible. Gotta salary dump him in the offseason.

No need to salary dump. Between him, Keldon, and Graham, thats a lot of flexibility that could nab a pretty big contract player if some team flames out during the playoffs or disappoints to end the year. Trae, Mitchell, Ingram, JGrant, etc....

[rjv]

zollins is awful as a starter but he's a useful bench big. i'm not sure what the going rate for a serviceable center off the bench is so i can't say whether or not it's a terrible contract, especially since it's only two years.

[Dverde]

Barlow is obviously the better fit for Wemby. I still like Zollins, but I don’t understand paying high dollar to him and Vassell before the season started. If they want to accept a lower offer I understand it more.

[JeffDuncan]

zollins is awful as a starter but he's a useful bench big. i'm not sure what the going rate for a serviceable center off the bench …


Eubanks at Phoenix, $2.5 M.
Drummond in Chicago, $3.4 M.
Jaxson Hayes on the Fakers, $2.3 M.
Thomas Bryant on the Heat, $2.7 M.
McGee at Sacto, $2.2 M.
Plumlee for the Clips, $5 M.
Hartenstein, Knicks, $16 M for 2 yrs, so avg of $8 M.

Backup centers are not expensive players, in NBA terms.

Of course the Spurs envisioned Zollins as an effective starter. So it goes.

[JeffDuncan]

Barlow is obviously the better fit for Wemby. I still like Zollins, but I don’t understand paying high dollar to him and Vassell before the season started. …


The Collective Bargaining Agreement dictates that teams have to pay a certain amount to the players. The way the Spurs roster is, they’re short of players to pay. The rookies are on rookie scale contracts. Among the vets, who else is there? Pay big bucks to Mamu? Graham? Osman? McDermott? Nah.

[CGD]

Salary filler for the inevitable trade, he'll be useful for that at least tbh.

I kinda think that is part of the calculation, which is why he only got the 2 years. Think it’ll be helpful have a range of stackable contracts of different hues for matching purposes: 6-8M, 10-12M, 17M.

[cd98]

Zach Collins is a good talent that can grow and get better, but is already a good offensive player and has good length. The problem with him on the Spurs is that if Wemby plays center, he's be at that position for 35-38 minutes (hopefully). That leaves very little room for Collins, who is worth of playing more than 12-15 minutes a game. That's a role for a guy like Barlow. Collins is essentially a luxury. I know the Spurs got him for cheap, but they should not trade him unless they get a number 1 pick for him or a legit piece.

[rascal]

Most at Spurstalk are always happy with any resigning.

Most at Spurstalk want to bring back ex players.

Most at Spurstalk get attached to the players on the team and over rate them and don't want to part with them.

[Atl Spur]

Zach is being paid 7 million this year; if his play next year doesn’t warrant the raise then I’ll speak on it. He’s cool with me for right now:)

[MannyIsGod]

This Is The Problem With Some Fans Who View A Player’s Effectiveness Strictly On One Side Of The Court. Even If Collins Suddenly Did Become A 7 Foot Curry, He’s One Of The Worst Defensive Big Men In The League.

Yeah dude, he's not a good two way center because if he was he'd cost even more than that extension. I never said he was good defensively. I said he should play to his strengths and that the contract wasn't horrendous. The problem with some Spurs fans is that some of you can't read and/or have a conversation. Fucks sake.

[Dejounte]

Yeah dude, he's not a good two way center because if he was he'd cost even more than that extension. I never said he was good defensively. I said he should play to his strengths and that the contract wasn't horrendous. The problem with some Spurs fans is that some of you can't read and/or have a conversation. Fucks sake.

You Said He’s “Not As Bad As Many Here Make Him Out To Be” And That’s What I’m Addressing Here. So I Read Your Post Correctly And I Was Making A Conversation With You But For Some Reason You’re Acting Sensitive About It. Fuck’s Sake As Well

[LeBowen]

Yeah dude, he's not a good two way center because if he was he'd cost even more than that extension. I never said he was good defensively. I said he should play to his strengths and that the contract wasn't horrendous. The problem with some Spurs fans is that some of you can't read and/or have a conversation. Fucks sake.

Not only that he's not good defensively, but he's fucking horrid.
Even if we had a defensively solid roster, he'd still be a liability.
With this perimeter defense around him, he instantly turns any lineup in one of the worst defensive lineups in the history of the game.
He's that bad.
And his 3pt shooting is atrocious considering that he's always wide open at the top of the key.
Barely above 30%.

He's everything opposite of what this team needs.

It's not his fault that he got the contract he did and it won't be that hard to move, but it's still really annoying.

[MannyIsGod]

You Said He’s “Not As Bad As Many Here Make Him Out To Be” And That’s What I’m Addressing Here. So I Read Your Post Correctly And I Was Making A Conversation With You But For Some Reason You’re Acting Sensitive About It. Fuck’s Sake As Well

How the fuck does starting a post with "the problem with spurs fans" seem like the start of a conversation to you? Are you this fucking socially awkward? And he's NOT as bad as people here make him out to be. That doesn't mean I think he's a defensive stopper. How you got there, I don't know. Its fine man, you just need to learn how to read and to talk to people and you'll be fine.

[MannyIsGod]

Not only that he's not good defensively, but he's fucking horrid.
Even if we had a defensively solid roster, he'd still be a liability.
With this perimeter defense around him, he instantly turns any lineup in one of the worst defensive lineups in the history of the game.
He's that bad.
And his 3pt shooting is atrocious considering that he's always wide open at the top of the key.
Barely above 30%.

He's everything opposite of what this team needs.

It's not his fault that he got the contract he did and it won't be that hard to move, but it's still really annoying.

The last point you make is the main takeaway here. Collins has value when he's playing well and his contract isn't some kind of albatross. It's only a 2 year deal and he'd be pretty easy to get off of without giving away any big assets.

[Dejounte]

How the fuck does starting a post with "the problem with spurs fans" seem like the start of a conversation to you? Are you this fucking socially awkward? And he's NOT as bad as people here make him out to be. That doesn't mean I think he's a defensive stopper. How you got there, I don't know. Its fine man, you just need to learn how to read and to talk to people and you'll be fine.

You’re The One Throwing A Fit Yet I’m The Socially Awkward One Lmao. Maybe You Need To Take A Chill Pill And Stop Making All Sorts Of Assumptions About People You Don’t Know.

[spurraider21]

Watching him yesterday he didn’t even have prayer when it came to contesting shots at the rim. It’s like watching Bryn Forbes defense where even if he tries to position himself he just can’t alter or affect a shot.

at least that was my takeaway in person

[HankChinaski]

He's been MIA with the rolled ankle for a couple weeks. I'll wait to see how he looks after getting a couple games back in. The two year extension isn't bad, just isn't great.

I think there needs to be more focus on his mid-range and play at the basket more. Instead of at the 3pt line, but that has to be when he isn't on the floor with Wemby maybe.

With Tre starting now and Keldon off the bench I would like to see his dynamic within the structure of those lineup changes more to see how he responds once he gets a couple of games with some run to get back into a rhythm.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Zach strikes me as a very tradeable asset.

[rascal]

This Is The Problem With Some Fans Who View A Player’s Effectiveness Strictly On One Side Of The Court. Even If Collins Suddenly Did Become A 7 Foot Curry, He’s One Of The Worst Defensive Big Men In The League.

Collins has classic white player hops. He isn't very quick and can't get off the ground to challenge shots so players drive and shoot right over him.

[rascal]

Watching him yesterday he didn’t even have prayer when it came to contesting shots at the rim. It’s like watching Bryn Forbes defense where even if he tries to position himself he just can’t alter or affect a shot.

at least that was my takeaway in person

Sochan isn't too much better. Spurs need to add Sarr if they land the number one pick.
Wemby needs another effective rim defender to allow him to roam a bit more without leaving the lanes open.

[objective]

I don't imagine teams will be too eager to take on Collins contact without worthwhile incentive until he's an expiring deal

Not too many teams will be looking for center-only players who can't shoot, don't rebound, can't protect the rim, and turn the ball over like crazy thinking they're Jokic level passers while making significantly more than the MLE and having a significant injury history

Good for him for getting paid but this contract extension shows that Wright is a big problem for the future.

They thought they had a discount Chet next to Wemby: tough competitor to hit threes, block shots, grab rebounds, and play with an edge.

Instead they get hyper inflation Joffrey.

[scott]

Zach only took one 3PA yesterday. If he can stick to that, he'll be a lot more tolerable. (He leads the team in FG%, btw).

[GAustex]

lol
Instead they get hyper inflation Joffrey

[SpurSpike]

I find it strange and inconsistent that Zack gets an ankle injury that requires him to be out multiple weeks but then comes back and immediately played back to back games... Meanwhile Victor's issue seems minor and still plays most games but cannot play back to backs for a month. Where's the consistency!?!

[exstatic]

I find it strange and inconsistent that Zack gets an ankle injury that requires him to be out multiple weeks but then comes back and immediately played back to back games... Meanwhile Victor's issue seems minor and still plays most games but cannot play back to backs for a month. Where's the consistency!?!

There is a consistency to the Spurs actions, if you’re willing to see it, and it starts with last summer’s transactions.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I find it strange and inconsistent that Zack gets an ankle injury that requires him to be out multiple weeks but then comes back and immediately played back to back games... Meanwhile Victor's issue seems minor and still plays most games but cannot play back to backs for a month. Where's the consistency!?!

If you consider the leg and foot issues that growing 7+ footers have if not managed as well as the issues rookies have with 82 games and 35+ mins, it should not be surprising.

[Dejounte]

This Is The Worst Signing In Spurs History. Worse Than Marcus Morris. Worse Than Bryn Forbes.

[spurraider21]

we got conned

[Atl Spur]

This Is The Worst Signing In Spurs History. Worse Than Marcus Morris. Worse Than Bryn Forbes.

Hmmmmm…

[Slippy]

Zack Collings was terrible tonight .. As spurs 1st backup centre when laying an egg like tonight pop needs to say fuk it. Im trotting out Barlow, who's shown enough this season to warrant playing time.

[TimDunkem]

:lmao

[Mr. Peabody]

0/7 including 0/5 from three tonight. Play Barlow. He at least gives you something on defense.

[NASpurs]

Even before the latest injury this guy was sucking ass.

[Chinook]

Wonder if the Spurs would've had a shot had they played Barlow.

[HankChinaski]

He didn't look good out there but he also had bad passes thrown his way when he was in the lane. More annoyed with Keldon Johnson and Doug McBuckets at the moment.

[objective]

Well yeah.

Brian Wright blew this so bad he has to be fired. This would automatically become the most desirable job in the NBA and every one would kill for a chance to gm a team with Wemby

They wasted their caproom on getting second rounders ... Fine. It's conservative, but it's reasonable.

Then he blew it by giving a big deal to Collins without ever seeing him play next to Wemby for real.

$36 million in dead cap for 2 years thanks to Brian Wright

Good for Zach for getting paid and playing the Spurs front office like Morris, like Carroll, just trash trash trash

Collins isn't even a overpaid backup he's an overpaid 4th stringer

Nobody is touching that deal and Wemby's cheap years are wasted

[Atl Spur]

Wonder if the Spurs would've had a shot had they played Barlow.

To light also…. It was a productive loss

[Gibbz]

I thought he was only signed through next season. :hang

[BatManu20]

Zollins time in SA is quickly souring unfortunately. His athletic limitations are too significant to overcome, and Pop has apparently given him the green-light to shoot from 3 whenever he wants, despite him being a 30% shooter. Nasty combo.

[spurraider21]

really like this deal

hell of a reclamation project he’s been, and still young. I brought up yesterday that there aren’t really any other realistic options for centers that can both hit the 3 ball and also punish mismatches in the post. He’s one of them
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F-bJJZCXQAEu6Ib.jpg:large
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[james evans]

this deal was just as bad as giving a 38 year old Gasol 48 million. I honestly don't know what's going on in San Antonia. they may have the best drugs in the country.

[Gibbz]

I didn't mind the deal at the time, but it's obviously already been exposed as a disaster and the extension hasn't even kicked in yet.

[K...]

quality tank manager , worth every penny, if wemby and sochan are not being sandbagged with minutes restrictions and being played out of position, my boy collins has to step up and offset their non tank contributions.

[onechance87]

I didn't mind the deal at the time, but it's obviously already been exposed as a disaster and the extension hasn't even kicked in yet.

yup....the next plan should be getting rid of him and gettin another big who rebounds and helps
wemby with rim protection

[SpursBills]

I definitely got fooled by his summer league performance and didn't anticipate he'd be this much of a turnstile. I should have known that for non-Jokic centers, defensive ability trumps offensive ability most of the time. I'd rather have Goga Bitadze or Hartenstein over this guy 10/10 times.

[CorrectCrusader]

I definitely got fooled by his summer league performance and didn't anticipate he'd be this much of a turnstile. I should have known that for non-Jokic centers, defensive ability trumps offensive ability most of the time. I'd rather have Goga Bitadze or Hartenstein over this guy 10/10 times.

What? Like all the top centers in the league today are great on offense. We just played one infact.

[CorrectCrusader]

But yeah Zach Collins sucks, hope he figures out his shot because without it, he's not NBA material.

[GAustex]

He does get dunked on and pushed around
A lot

[TD 21]

Well yeah.

Brian Wright blew this so bad he has to be fired. This would automatically become the most desirable job in the NBA and every one would kill for a chance to gm a team with Wemby

They wasted their caproom on getting second rounders ... Fine. It's conservative, but it's reasonable.

Then he blew it by giving a big deal to Collins without ever seeing him play next to Wemby for real.

$36 million in dead cap for 2 years thanks to Brian Wright

Good for Zach for getting paid and playing the Spurs front office like Morris, like Carroll, just trash trash trash

Collins isn't even a overpaid backup he's an overpaid 4th stringer

Nobody is touching that deal and Wemby's cheap years are wasted

:lmao At the agenda driven Wright nonsense. As if he's got full autonomy to do whatever he wants.

The genius is still the POBO. He may not be doing the day to day leg work per se, but for the most part if he's not on board with something, it's not happening.


I definitely got fooled by his summer league performance and didn't anticipate he'd be this much of a turnstile. I should have known that for non-Jokic centers, defensive ability trumps offensive ability most of the time. I'd rather have Goga Bitadze or Hartenstein over this guy 10/10 times.

Yeah, they're stuck with him, but the names you mentioned would clearly be more ideal backups.

[SpursBills]

What? Like all the top centers in the league today are great on offense. We just played one infact.

I think unless you have truly elite offensive talent, and especially when you're looking at a role playing center, you're better off giving away some offensive ability for more defensive ability. Guys like Embiid and Jokic are obviously elite offensive guys, but when you're looking at regular bigs, you'd definitely rather have someone like Bitadze or wendell Carter jr who gives you solid defensive but are limited offensively over a guy like vucevic who's the opposite. Even going up to very good bigs, I think there's a decent argument to be made that you'd prefer a guy like Bam to Sabonis.

[Raven]

i think that he needs a real pf by his side, we need sandro at least to play with him.

[Atl Spur]

Yawn…… Bro is making 7 million this year, if he shits the bed next year we trade a very traceable salary! Do better spurs talk.

[spurraider21]

Yawn…… Bro is making 7 million this year, if he shits the bed next year we trade a very traceable salary! Do better spurs talk.
he makes 17 in 24-25 and then 18 in 25-26

its not an easily movable contract next year when he still has an additional fully guaranteed year behind it. if he continues to play like dogshit we'd have to attach a pick to dump him

[Atl Spur]

he makes 17 in 24-25 and then 18 in 25-26

its not an easily movable contract next year when he still has an additional fully guaranteed year behind it. if he continues to play like dogshit we'd have to attach a pick to dump him

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see….. why fret when it impacts us zero percent right now? At worst it’s just helping us to meet salary floor requirements. Nothing burger here

[spurraider21]

I guess we’ll just have to wait and see….. why fret when it impacts us zero percent right now? At worst it’s just helping us to meet salary floor requirements. Nothing burger here
when did people start using this as a metric?

this applies to every contract every signed

[Mugen]

Yawn…… Bro is making 7 million this year, if he shits the bed next year we trade a very traceable salary! Do better spurs talk.

:lmao

[Atl Spur]

when did people start using this as a metric?

this applies to every contract every signed

Can someone he’s willing to listen to explain? I operate under the assumption people think before just blurting out a response.

[timtonymanu]

:lol that Atl Spur curse. First primo, now Collins. Maybe just hyping up trash players as more than what they are.

[spurraider21]

Can someone he’s willing to listen to explain? I operate under the assumption people think before just blurting out a response.
they should pay me 8 million next year to help them get to the floor. at worst its salary that can be used in a trade

[timtonymanu]

Read pages 1-3 though and see how happy most people were that he got resigned. Dude just laid an egg after getting that bag.

[TD 21]

I was fine with it contingent on the notion that it'd be a few years before they primarily played Wembanyama at C, so I figured Collins' contract was fine commensurate to the role he'd play and he'd be about as good a fit alongside as another C could be in this era.

Absent that, it made no sense (especially the timing) and it can't even be spun as good salary matching fodder because good luck finding a taker for an overpriced, injury prone backup C, who's the antithesis of what most are looking for out of that role.

[Atl Spur]

Can I live? Get off my dick! It’s my opinion Girl Scout….. you don’t have to agree but in the end you guys usually look crazy! And for those still not understanding, I nor do you know why primo couldn’t stop showing his dick…ok? His story isn’t finished yet…..yikes lol

Btw, Zach will serve his purpose on way or another :) his salary is very manageable to move or keep ( check out the next two years payroll )

[Atl Spur]

When he gets right you guys will crawl back under your rock; this is not a new movie to me.

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo
It’s what you do
Make bad takes
You be you sweet summer child

[RC_Drunkford]

Ms Cleo back Ms Cleoing :lmao

“at least the Spurs spent some salary to get to the floor. They should pay the janitor 17 million. Brian keeps getting it right and Primo hasn‘t pulled out his dick all season.“

[Ocotillo]

I seen posts about why Barlow was not getting in the game, he is on a two way contract and can only play a finite number of games for the big club so likely he was sent to the G-League for some time. That is why a lot of people think if we send a contract out this trade deadline and a roster spot opens up, he will be signed to the SA Spurs and can play as long as he is healthy.

[spurraider21]

I seen posts about why Barlow was not getting in the game, he is on a two way contract and can only play a finite number of games for the big club so likely he was sent to the G-League for some time. That is why a lot of people think if we send a contract out this trade deadline and a roster spot opens up, he will be signed to the SA Spurs and can play as long as he is healthy.
i think they will get him onto an NBA deal during the season, and the team will either have to unload collins or make a choice between bassey/barlow for that last spot. unless the draft dictates that they take a center because the value is too good to pass up. best way barlow can secure a longer term spot on the roster is being able to coexist with another big. while we have seen the 3pt shot here and there im still not convinced that he's anything other than a 5

[itzsoweezee]

This dude is like the Bryn Forbes of centers. There is no one I want to see less on a basketball court, not even Branham

[baseline bum]

This dude is like the Bryn Forbes of centers. There is no one I want to see less on a basketball court, not even Branham

Too far man, Branham is historically bad

[ismael-robert]

We need to keep playing him. We're barely bottom 3.

[Jordan Jackson]

This dude is like the Bryn Forbes of centers. There is no one I want to see less on a basketball court, not even Branham

Hey now. At least Forbes could make open threes.

The fact that they continue to let Collins waste possessions like that is unbelievable. 0-5 from 3? Stop shooting. Never been a fan of this dude. Pop and his stupid charity cases.

[Rocalcio]

The guy is coming back from an injury, just give him time FFS. All of you were delighted after is resigning last year because he showed some good stuffs, these stuffs aren't gone. He'll be better.

[GAustex]

lol “all of you”
Speak for yourself

[RC_Drunkford]

it just doesn't make much sense to play a scoring big who can't protect the rim. It's not an efficient strategy in today's NBA.

[rankingtear]

it just doesn't make much sense to play a scoring big who can't protect the rim. It's not an efficient strategy in today's NBA.

Rim protectors who can't score are overrated. They get ran off the floor in the playoffs real quick.

[Maddog]

The guy is coming back from an injury, just give him time FFS. All of you were delighted after is resigning last year because he showed some good stuffs, these stuffs aren't gone. He'll be better.


Hey now. At least Forbes could make open threes.

The fact that they continue to let Collins waste possessions like that is unbelievable. 0-5 from 3? Stop shooting. Never been a fan of this dude. Pop and his stupid charity cases.

I tend to fall into the former camp more than the latter. That is he's a useful player.
But at the end of the day- next years contract is expiring.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Most of the team is looking better and Collins looks like dog shit coming back. He missed some effective practice time the past month where many individuals and the team overall has taken some strides.

Off the bench it is just dogshit defense between Osman, Branham, and McDermott. Barlow and Wesley are effective and have to carry the load.

Collins has to move better than that. He has always had the awkward body control but he has moved his feet better this season. With his shot disappeared, he really only scores on bullying mismatches off switches. Everyone beats him down the court on runouts.

Then again, he is answering the question whether he fits on a team with Wemby. Bassey and Barlow both seem like better options at the bench 4/5.

[Big Empty]

Im guilty of thinking this was a great idea before the season started. Lmao

[NASpurs]

This guy is the dingleberry on Brian Wrong's ass

[vy65]

People say this piece of shit is valuable as a backup pf, but he’s not demonstrably better than drew fucking eubanks

[get_mills_out]

Worst contract of the Wright era?

He's probably a bottom 10 rotation player in the league and they gave him Naz Reid / Jakob Poeltl money

[TheGreatYacht]

It's going to take a 1st round pick to offload this piece of cancerous shit. 3rd worst decision in the Brian Wrong era after taking Josh Primo and Jeremy Soass in the lottery.

[offset formation]

If Collins and Keldon ever see the floor together again at the same time, some coach should lose his job.

[TheGreatYacht]

If Collins and Keldon ever see the floor together again at the same time, some coach should lose his job.
Same coaching staff that refused to double Embiid on a 70pt performance. Don't hold your breath on waiting for those mental midgets to do the right thing.

[MI21]

Definitely one of my least favourite Spurs of all time - top 3 I would say.

[RC_Drunkford]

best OKC player on the floor last night

[vy65]

Hi

[rascal]

Definitely one of my least favourite Spurs of all time - top 3 I would say.

Primo and Rodman(I remember Rodman's stupid play in the playoffs to lose a key playoff game on purpose) were embarrassments to the franchise.

[spurraider21]

If only the new CBA came with an amnesty clause

[NASpurs]

The towel waving MVP tonight. I dread his coming back. Only saving grace is I know the guy is a china doll.

[scott]

Zach Collins on/off stats.

https://www.cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4323/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

A negative in every area except, surprisingly, rebounding. Amazing considering he was a bright spot last year.

For those sadists out there, here is Branham's: https://www.cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/5109/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

And to leave this post on a positive note, here is Victor's: https://www.cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/5213/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

And our true team MVP, Tre Jones: https://www.cleaningtheglass.com/stats/player/4785/onoff#tab-team_efficiency

[spursparker9]

Collins is definitely the best cheerleader tonight with his charismatic smile showing his perfect white teeth.

I think there is still hope for Pop. At least Pop now realized that Branham is unplayable and Wesley is the main backup for Tre.

Soon let's hope Pop can put Collins in the doghouse and let Barlow be the main backup for Wemby.

[Atl Spur]

I’m sticking with Zollins:) Dude will rebound…..

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo
Again telling us of the future
You never learn
I like that about you

[Slippy]

Hes a cheerer. Best this spurs team has. Hopefully a few more rest games in between .to come.

[spurraider21]

I’m sticking with Zollins:) Dude will rebound…..
No he doesn’t even do that

[The Truth #6]

He's obviously having a bad year. That doesn't erase that he was playing well last year. Time will tell if he's able to adapt to not being a starter, or if he was just balling to get paid. Right now he should be the third stringer. But it's better to give him time for the tank and his trade value then use assets to trade him, which they aren't doing.

[lefty]

:lol Lollins

[SpursFan86]

Any chance we can ship this dude out before the deadline? Maybe get a couple of 2nds?

[Chinook]

Collins is literally unable to be traded this season. However, I would definitely be penciling in Collins/Graham or Collins/Johnson ballast packages for summer trades.

I don't even think Zach's been all that bad. I think it's more like he's cursed. The ball just seems to hate him. Some of the things he's doing are bad decisions, and some are things like his race making opponents feel confident going at him (think the opposite of the effect Victor's length has. But the extent to which his passes get fumbled, rebounds bounce of his hands, open shots clang off the rim or players finish through contact on him just reinforces how unfortunate he's been.

[Chinook]

I will say I've always hated the goon aspect of Collins' presence. It was one thing he was playing well. But now that he's not, it just seems horrible. I'm happy that Sochan has toned that down this year.

[baseline bum]

I will say I've always hated the goon aspect of Collins' presence. It was one thing he was playing well. But now that he's not, it just seems horrible. I'm happy that Sochan has toned that down this year.

Though gotta admit this was funny as shit the other night


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XiLal2WsYY

[TD 21]

Collins is literally unable to be traded this season. However, I would definitely be penciling in Collins/Graham or Collins/Johnson ballast packages for summer trades.

I don't even think Zach's been all that bad. I think it's more like he's cursed. The ball just seems to hate him. Some of the things he's doing are bad decisions, and some are things like his race making opponents feel confident going at him (think the opposite of the effect Victor's length has. But the extent to which his passes get fumbled, rebounds bounce of his hands, open shots clang off the rim or players finish through contact on him just reinforces how unfortunate he's been.

He's been terrible and will be extremely difficult to move in the off season.

Still, they should try. I doubt the Hawks would do it because of the extra season, but I'd offer him for Capela in the off season.

Another option, if he can be pawned off without a rotational C coming back, is targeting Bitadze and Hartenstein.

Get a real C, not a broken player who has to play it by default.

[Ariel]

Unless the Spurs are going for a high profile FA for next season, it makes no sense to shop him in the summer, it'll cost something significant and it won't be really necessary. I think he's more likely to be moved in the '25 offseason or '25-'26 trade deadline, then he'll be an expiring used as sallary ballast without much problem.

[freetiago]

He should never be out their vs other teams starters but Victors horrific minutes rotation makes him basically play them more than Victor does. He’s subbing in the first 4-5 minutes then playing starters for 7-8 minutes. Then at the start of the second Victor plays for 4-5 minutes and Collins finishes the half vs the starters again.

[emanueldavidginobili]

Collins last ten games 37.7% from the field 11.1% from three and 62.5 from the line. :lol

[John B]

Collins last ten games 37.7% from the field 11.1% from three and 62.5 from the line. :lol

Yikes! What happened with this guy. I remember he was playing well, even has the dog in him, but now seems to be a liability on defense.

[scott]

Zach shot the 3 well in December (.378) but fell off a cliff in January (.133) and is 0-3 to start February (and they aren't particularly close).

How has he not been given a complete red light to shoot by now? Spurs must be thinking they can work him out of a slump.

[JPB]

Hopefully Zollins will rebound.

And I mean, litterally.

[slick'81]

He was literally punched in the face :lol

[baseline bum]

Spurs desperately need to convert Barlow to a full contract as soon as the trade deadline passes. God I knew Collins was playing like shit but didn't know his numbers were that trash lately.

[timtonymanu]

Miss Cleo says wait and see.

[Atl Spur]

Spurs desperately need to convert Barlow to a full contract as soon as the trade deadline passes. God I knew Collins was playing like shit but didn't know his numbers were that trash lately.

Not playing to hot right now….its a down year across the board. If he is still playing like trash I’ll be more concerned:)

[Atl Spur]

Miss Cleo says wait and see.

You know it! I’ll be that for you boys :)

[GAustex]

Miss Cleo says wait and see.

Miss Cleo crystal ball is broke

[RC_Drunkford]

You know it! I’ll be that for you boys :)

a true bottom bitch :lol

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Collins was -27 against Cleveland in the 20 minutes he played. Victor was +10. They lost by 16 points.

As awful as Collins has been shooting and especially from distance, his defense is even more atrocious. He gets manhandled by bigger guys and torched by smaller guys. I can't believe how much he's regressed from the end of last season.

[objective]

Collins was -27 against Cleveland in the 20 minutes he played. Victor was +10. They lost by 16 points.

As awful as Collins has been shooting and especially from distance, his defense is even more atrocious. He gets manhandled by bigger guys and torched by smaller guys. I can't believe how much he's regressed from the end of last season.

Agreed, but I guess it goes to show how useless post-deadline tankball is when the rest of the league stops trying, either to preserve health for playoff teams or tanking for a better pick

Collins
Champagnie
Branham

They all were doing great in tank season but have been disasters when teams are really trying