Wemby ROTY watch

[exstatic]

Why does he take so many fall away turn around three pointers at 29% clip? That doesn’t seem like rookie of the year to me? He still is amazing like even in the shit Denver game he got like 6 steals and 4 blocks but that shot selection is total shit.

The point is…HE HAS TO SELECT SHOTS. He’s not being spoon fed by an All NBA guard like Chet Homeless.

[Obstructed_View]

The shot selection is getting better. It will improve as he and his teammates get better at playing together. Too bad the coaches didn't focus on any of that before the actual season, but last night was much better. If they can avoid the big dips they have a chance of putting together a complete game.

[Jordan Jackson]

Chet has a better developed shot because he’s not a rookie. Injuries aside,’he’s been training and practicing with his team for a full year. He did not shoot like at Gonzaga.

It’s been 4 weeks. Anyone claiming who is or isn’t ROTY is a weirdo - this includes media.

[sfernald]

The point is…HE HAS TO SELECT SHOTS. He’s not being spoon fed by an All NBA guard like Chet Homeless.

lol okay so I’ve watched every spurs game and every okc game for reference. Shai is a scorer, almost with Kobe-esque blinders. Which is fine. But the number of times he looks off an open Chet at the three or doesn’t make that lob pass in the pick and roll is absolutely mind blowing.

what I’m saying is that Chet is low on the totem poll too and he’s really only been able to make these strides cause of injuries such as when Shai or JDub are out. The way he plays with his efficiency he would probably average 25 if they actually looked for him at all.

[TimmehC]

As of now, Vic is leading all rookies in points, rebounds, blocks and steals. Can't imagine anyone can overlook that tbh.

[Rocalcio]

If it was Holmgren to the Spurs and Wembanyama to OKC, Chet would be struggling just like Victor is, trying to create his own shoot. And Wembanyama would be putting awesome numbers with good percentages, just like Holmgren is.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Chet has a better developed shot because he’s not a rookie. Injuries aside,’he’s been training and practicing with his team for a full year. He did not shoot like at Gonzaga.

It’s been 4 weeks. Anyone claiming who is or isn’t ROTY is a weirdo - this includes media.
Chet had 39% at Gonzaga
Victor had 27% in Mets 92

do you really not see the difference?

[MultiTroll]

The shot selection is getting better. It will improve as he and his teammates get better at playing together. Too bad the coaches didn't focus on any of that before the actual season, but last night was much better. If they can avoid the big dips they have a chance of putting together a complete game.
Will GOAT CIA Pop pick up on any of these super obvious strategies before Wamas 4 year rookie contract is up?

[MultiTroll]

Chet had 39% at Gonzaga
Victor had 27% in Mets 92

do you really not see the difference?
No.
Could you break it down for us?


As of now, Vic is leading all rookies in points, rebounds, blocks and steals. Can't imagine anyone can overlook that tbh.
:bobo

If it was Holmgren to the Spurs and Wembanyama to OKC, Chet would be struggling just like Victor is, trying to create his own shoot. And Wembanyama would be putting awesome numbers with good percentages, just like Holmgren is.
:bobo

[ambchang]

One thing I have always been confident about the Spurs FO is their ability to develop players. All the way back to Parker, Ginobili, and Kawhi, to Keldon Johnson, Dejounte Murray and Derrick White, these players have significantly out performed their draft positions. Obviously not every single pick is a home run, but the overall returns are significantly better than almost every single team out there. There may be teams that have hit it big with later picks (Denver with Jokic, Bucks with Antetekoumpo, or even GSW with Curry/Klay/Draymond), but there aren't really a team that was able to do it so consistently over such a long period of time. Most of it really is about the development of players.

The only concerns are that that the Spurs had that going for them because 1) they draft late, and drafting late means they can focus on need that fit into a narrow list of requirements the team are looking for, which in other words, the Spurs can look for very specific types of players who fit in their system and develop those particular skills and little else, and 2) the ones doing that drafting and development are no longer with the organization.

I am still quite confident that Wemby will meet the enormous hype, and Vassell and Sochan will become productive players in this league. I still see a great amount of potential with Malaki Branham and think he can at least develop into a solid starter/sixth man type role.

Wemby, regardless of whether he gets RoTY, will end up being a better player than Chet. I am pretty sure of that. But as of right now, it's really hard to watch as it appears the team is doing nothing and going no where.

[sfernald]

Wemby, regardless of whether he gets RoTY, will end up being a better player than Chet. I am pretty sure of that. But as of right now, it's really hard to watch as it appears the team is doing nothing and going no where.

This is the really sad thing. They are so bad and non-competitive it’s getting hard to even watch the games. I don’t know how much longer I can do it. I love watching Wemby but everything else about the spurs is beyond pathetic.

[MannyIsGod]

Chet had 39% at Gonzaga
Victor had 27% in Mets 92

do you really not see the difference?

Do you think both lines are the same distance from the basket? Do you think that a professional league is the same level of talent as a mid major conference? Do you really not see the difference?

[MannyIsGod]

There has definitely been a backlash against Wemby due to his hype. The idea that Chet is somehow miles better than him is just amazing to me considering the context of the teams around each player. Furthermore, even with that context, the sheer impact Wemby has on defense is WAY more than Chet's individual impact on an OKC defense. Its not that Chet is bad at D - far from it - but Wemby is singlehandedly changing the way teams play when he is on the court. Considering how little help he's getting from his team and from his coaches right now, he's improving at a great rate and he's already VERY fucking good. Fine, one month into the season Chet is the leader for ROY but as others have said I don't think there's many NBA GMs that would rather have Chet on their team.

[R. DeMurre]

I'm a huge fan, but I don't ever expect Wembanyama to be an elite 3 pt shooter percentage-wise. Three years of data from Europe and this season's small sample size show him to be pretty consistently just below 30% from that distance. His FT% has improved over time, so that's a good sign, and I'd expect his 3pt% to improve... I'd be happy with a consistent 35%. For a guy who will likely be a 20+/10+ guy who also leads the league in stocks, that'd be a major accomplishment. If he someday becomes a 38-40% guy from three, it'd be incredible-- I just wouldn't bet on it.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/victor-wembanyama-1.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wembavi01.html

[Leetonidas]

Meh who cares if he wins ROTY or not. I guarantee that Presti would trade Chet and his warchest of picks for Wemby every day of the week if he could

[Seventyniner]

I'm a huge fan, but I don't ever expect Wembanyama to be an elite 3 pt shooter percentage-wise. Three years of data from Europe and this season's small sample size show him to be pretty consistently just below 30% from that distance. His FT% has improved over time, so that's a good sign, and I'd expect his 3pt% to improve... I'd be happy with a consistent 35%. For a guy who will likely be a 20+/10+ guy who also leads the league in stocks, that'd be a major accomplishment. If he someday becomes a 38-40% guy from three, it'd be incredible-- I just wouldn't bet on it.


https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/victor-wembanyama-1.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wembavi01.html

35% would be just fine. LeBron is 34.5% for his career.

[Pauleta14]

KD averaged 28.8% on 3s his rookie season, Luka 32%

Victor will be fine with better shot selection and training

Could even be scary long term

[spurraider21]

If it was Holmgren to the Spurs and Wembanyama to OKC, Chet would be struggling just like Victor is, trying to create his own shoot. And Wembanyama would be putting awesome numbers with good percentages, just like Holmgren is.
dont think he'd be as good from 3, but he'd be north of 30%

chet was making near 40% of them at gonzaga. wemby had always hung around 30% at best

[Thomas82]

Meh who cares if he wins ROTY or not. I guarantee that Presti would trade Chet and his warchest of picks for Wemby every day of the week if he could

I know Wemby definitely cares about it, and if PATFO cost him the award, I can almost guarantee that he'll resent them for it. He's made it clear that he wants that award.

[Leetonidas]

I know Wemby definitely cares about it, and if PATFO cost him the award, I can almost guarantee that he'll resent them for it. He's made it clear that he wants that award.

Link? I don't remember him saying that winning ROY is a big deal to him. I mean would we look at Tim's career any differently if he didn't win ROY? I don't think it's a huge deal tbh

[Thomas82]

Link? I don't remember him saying that winning ROY is a big deal to him. I mean would we look at Tim's career any differently if he didn't win ROY? I don't think it's a huge deal tbh

You can go back and listen to press conferences from before the season started, especially from around the time when the league announced the 65-game minimum to qualify for awards. If I wasn't at work right now, I would pull that up for you.

[exstatic]

I know Wemby definitely cares about it, and if PATFO cost him the award, I can almost guarantee that he'll resent them for it. He's made it clear that he wants that award.

Find me a video or a link to this. I’ve followed him pretty closely,and the only thing he wants badly is to win.

[exstatic]

You can go back and listen to press conferences from before the season started, especially from around the time when the league announced the 65-game minimum to qualify for awards. If I wasn't at work right now, I would pull that up for you.

Or,you can backup your statement.

[Pauleta14]

Anyone saw Chet vs the Wolves?

Aside of a late (open of course) 3 he had a garbage game when Victor put 29/9rb/4blk

And ANT wasnt playing

[Thomas82]

Find me a video or a link to this. I’ve followed him pretty closely,and the only thing he wants badly is to win.

Like I told the other guy, I'll have to do it when I'm not at work. Of course he wants to win. He also said he wanted to be the best #1 pick ever.

[Jordan Jackson]

Chet had 39% at Gonzaga
Victor had 27% in Mets 92

do you really not see the difference?
I see you struggle with comprehension. WTF that got to do with what I wrote.

[Arcadian]

Victor is averaging more points, rebounds, blocks, steals, and (slightly more) assists per game than Chet. That gets you ROY. Nobody cares about wins or FG% for this award.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

I see you struggle with comprehension. WTF that got to do with what I wrote.
Chet had a better developed shot even before joining the NBA

[Thomas82]

Link? I don't remember him saying that winning ROY is a big deal to him. I mean would we look at Tim's career any differently if he didn't win ROY? I don't think it's a huge deal tbh


Find me a video or a link to this. I’ve followed him pretty closely, and the only thing he wants badly is to win.

So far, I was able to find an article with him saying he wanted to play all 82 games if he wasn't injured. I found these articles with him saying that he wants to be the best #1 pick of all-time:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/spurs-victor-wembanyama-wants-better-every-top-pick-before-him
https://projectspurs.com/victor-wembanyama-wants-to-be-the-best-no-1-pick-of-all-time/?fbclid=IwAR3mVXTmZfDqGyAMikCWa8y6feUkLqnFJvBQGiq1 0DkmQBlth_WVo_9HTCE&mibextid=K8Wfd2

I also saw this video where Wemby said he expects to be ROY: (not that this means much)
https://www.facebook.com/jmbravo210/videos/917739145959648/?idorvanity=801272003308865

I should have clarified in my original statement that I never heard him say outright that ROY was a big deal, but to me he gives off that impression. But since I didn't, I'll just leave you with my findings and take the L.

[CGD]

Anyone saw Chet vs the Wolves?

Aside of a late (open of course) 3 he had a garbage game when Victor put 29/9rb/4blk

And ANT wasnt playing

It was a good game overall. Rudy did a decent job checking Chet, though it is impressive that Chet is making those clutch shots. Minnesota is legit this year, as is OKC tbh

[Obstructed_View]

So far, I was able to find an article with him saying he wanted to play all 82 games if he wasn't injured. I found these articles with him saying that he wants to be the best #1 pick of all-time:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/spurs-victor-wembanyama-wants-better-every-top-pick-before-him
https://projectspurs.com/victor-wembanyama-wants-to-be-the-best-no-1-pick-of-all-time/?fbclid=IwAR3mVXTmZfDqGyAMikCWa8y6feUkLqnFJvBQGiq1 0DkmQBlth_WVo_9HTCE&mibextid=K8Wfd2

I also saw this video where Wemby said he expects to be ROY: (not that this means much)
https://www.facebook.com/jmbravo210/videos/917739145959648/?idorvanity=801272003308865

I should have clarified in my original statement that I never heard him say outright that ROY was a big deal, but to me he gives off that impression. But since I didn't, I'll just leave you with my findings and take the L.
Victor wants to be great, and he has an ego that drives him to be great. It's why he plays so hard. Timmy is the only guy in basketball to ever say he doesn't care about the award and mean it.

[MannyIsGod]

So far, I was able to find an article with him saying he wanted to play all 82 games if he wasn't injured. I found these articles with him saying that he wants to be the best #1 pick of all-time:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/spurs-victor-wembanyama-wants-better-every-top-pick-before-him
https://projectspurs.com/victor-wembanyama-wants-to-be-the-best-no-1-pick-of-all-time/?fbclid=IwAR3mVXTmZfDqGyAMikCWa8y6feUkLqnFJvBQGiq1 0DkmQBlth_WVo_9HTCE&mibextid=K8Wfd2

I also saw this video where Wemby said he expects to be ROY: (not that this means much)
https://www.facebook.com/jmbravo210/videos/917739145959648/?idorvanity=801272003308865

I should have clarified in my original statement that I never heard him say outright that ROY was a big deal, but to me he gives off that impression. But since I didn't, I'll just leave you with my findings and take the L.

I think its fair to think that he cares about it. Competitive people usually do care about things like that. That being said, its a huge leap to go from he wants the award to he'll resent the Spurs if he doesn't get it.

[Obstructed_View]

Chet had a better developed shot even before joining the NBA
Three point lines are different. Check free throw percentage.

[Thomas82]

I think its fair to think that he cares about it. Competitive people usually do care about things like that. That being said, its a huge leap to go from he wants the award to he'll resent the Spurs if he doesn't get it.

I do believe if they purposefully do something to keep him from winning it that it won't sit well with him.

[Leetonidas]

So far, I was able to find an article with him saying he wanted to play all 82 games if he wasn't injured. I found these articles with him saying that he wants to be the best #1 pick of all-time:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/spurs-victor-wembanyama-wants-better-every-top-pick-before-him
https://projectspurs.com/victor-wembanyama-wants-to-be-the-best-no-1-pick-of-all-time/?fbclid=IwAR3mVXTmZfDqGyAMikCWa8y6feUkLqnFJvBQGiq1 0DkmQBlth_WVo_9HTCE&mibextid=K8Wfd2

I also saw this video where Wemby said he expects to be ROY: (not that this means much)
https://www.facebook.com/jmbravo210/videos/917739145959648/?idorvanity=801272003308865

I should have clarified in my original statement that I never heard him say outright that ROY was a big deal, but to me he gives off that impression. But since I didn't, I'll just leave you with my findings and take the L.

Appreciate you actually looking into man :toast

[MannyIsGod]

I do believe if they purposefully do something to keep him from winning it that it won't sit well with him.

Sure if they come out and fully sabotage him winning the award then OK but why on earth would they do that? The talk preseason was all about how Pop would rest Wemby and we weren't sure if he'd play 70. He's played every game so far and while its clear they aren't doing the right things to get him in positions to score easily its pretty damn hard to think that they're intentionally keeping him from winning an award.

Wemby is still the favorite to win the award IMO. He's got really good stats, he's getting better every game, and barring injury he's pretty likely to just get better as the year goes on and as the Spurs schedule gets easier.

[itzsoweezee]

Anyone saw Chet vs the Wolves?

Aside of a late (open of course) 3 he had a garbage game when Victor put 29/9rb/4blk

And ANT wasnt playing

Yeah, he did not have a good game. it's disgusting the wide-open, spot up threes Chet gets from all the attention paid to Shai.

And Chet has nowhere near the defensive impact that Wemby does on a nightly basis.

[spurraider21]

Three point lines are different. Check free throw percentage.
FT =/= 3PT

Were the 3 point lines different enough to explain away a 10% difference? :lol

[Obstructed_View]

FT =/= 3PT

Were the 3 point lines different enough to explain away a 10% difference? :lol

Yes. That's why I tried to nudge you in the right direction, and you doubled down on fucking stupid.

[Thomas82]

Appreciate you actually looking into man :toast

No problem bro!! :tu

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Three point lines are different. Check free throw percentage.
because of the difference of 43 centimeters, Victor could not score even 30%?
and it’s not at all a matter of terrible shot selection, falling apart shooting form when taking shots off the dribble and incorrect positioning of the guiding hand

[thiste]

It's not a question of centimeters. It's a question of confidence in his shot (and a bit of shot selection as well). It'll come in due time.

[John B]

Victor should play better and more efficient as the season goes. I’m sure he’ll catch up with percentage. It’s also the NBA building this rivalry more allowing Chet to win this time.

[Brazil]

Based on the games played so far, there is no way Victor is not ROTY and it is not particularly close, he is leading almost everything and has been a freaking beast on Defense. The only argument is the low %eff which is a valid one but not enough to not consider him as the favorite.

[scott]

Andrew Wiggins, Emeka Okafor and whoever Ray Felix is, share the few wins b a Rookie of the Year winner, with 16. Can the Spurs even get to 16?

[TheBallsbreakers]

Andrew Wiggins, Emeka Okafor and whoever Ray Felix is, share the few wins b a Rookie of the Year winner, with 16. Can the Spurs even get to 16?
Those guys probably didn't have to compete with another "rookie" who is on a winning team

[timtonymanu]

Chet has the best situation. Wemby has a toxic coach and crap teammates yet is still putting up numbers.

[Pauleta14]

Chet's % shooting starting to go downhill... Just check tonight's game again

Once he starts getting the same treatment Victor gets there won't be any competition imo

Even with all his handicaps Victor is still more impresisve to me

[Thomas82]

Chet's % shooting starting to go downhill... Just check tonight's game again

Once he starts getting the same treatment Victor gets there won't be any competition imo

Even with all his handicaps Victor is still more impresisve to me

Chet's only saving grace from last night is that he got 6 blocks.

[djohn2oo8]

Chet currently is the better player regardless of situation.

[z0sa]

Chet currently is the better player regardless of situation.

:rollin

[djohn2oo8]

:rollin
Laugh all you want. 18 points on 16 shots is not efficient. His teammates aren’t the reason why he is a chucker.

[exstatic]

Chet currently is the better player regardless of situation.

No, he just has better teammates, and draws less attention.

[djohn2oo8]

No, he just has better teammates, and draws less attention.
Wemby was shooting 5 three’s a game overseas in his last 34 games, and was shooting the same 26 percent he is now. Because he isn’t strong enough to play consistently in the post. He is a chucker. Teammates are not an excuse when you are 7’6.

[exstatic]

Wemby was shooting 5 three’s a game overseas in his last 34 games, and was shooting the same 26 percent he is now. Because he isn’t strong enough to play consistently in the post. He is a chucker. Teammates are not an excuse when you are 7’6.

Hate all you want, but when the defense looks at our offense, they 100% concentrate on Wemby. When they look at OKC, they 100% concentrate on All NBA guard SGA. Attention makes a difference in your scoring.

Your attitude would be different if you hadn't whiffed on the lottery again. :lol

[itzsoweezee]

Chet against the rockets: 4pts, 5rebs; 0% from three, 22% from two. Hess shooting has really come back to earth the past few games after he was super hot to start the season. It will be interesting to see the media still favor Chet for ROY with his numbers really dropping. They’ll probably go all in on team record as the basis for giving it to him, which is both absurd and unprecedented

[djohn2oo8]

Hate all you want, but when the defense looks at our offense, they 100% concentrate on Wemby. When they look at OKC, they 100% concentrate on All NBA guard SGA. Attention makes a difference in your scoring.

Your attitude would be different if you hadn't whiffed on the lottery again. :lol
Because Victor cannot play consistently in the post. He is too big to be just a jump shooter. And I’ve seen guys put up stats on bad teams. Nobody gets the excuse. Also, Amen Thompson nor Sengun were whiffs :shrug

[djohn2oo8]

Chet against the rockets: 4pts, 5rebs; 0% from three, 22% from two. Hess shooting has really come back to earth the past few games after he was super hot to start the season. It will be interesting to see the media still favor Chet for ROY with his numbers really dropping. They’ll probably go all in on team record as the basis for giving it to him, which is both absurd and unprecedented
He’s still shooting a better percentage than Wemby, on 2’s and 3’s. Similar rebound stats steals, and less turnovers. Chet is actually scoring more efficiently on 5 less shots as well.

[itzsoweezee]

He’s still shooting a better percentage than Wemby, on 2’s and 3’s. Similar rebound stats steals, and less turnovers. Chet is actually scoring more efficiently on 5 less shots as well.

Like I said, it’s a trend. He’s sub-40% on three now and trending towards sub 50% on 2s. If you’re a low usage role player, you have to be really efficient to have an edge over a high usage main weapon who has better stats than you. I mean, less than 8 rebounds a game for a 7 foot center is pathetic.

easy to be efficient when you are not relied on to generate offense for your team.

[djohn2oo8]

Like I said, it’s a trend. He’s sub-40% on three now and trending towards sub 50% on 2s. If you’re a low usage role player, you have to be really efficient to have an edge over a high usage main weapon who has better stats than you. I mean, less than 8 rebounds a game for a 7 foot center is pathetic.

easy to be efficient when you are not relied on to generate offense for your team.
So he isn’t efficient because his team relies on him too much? Lol okay then what’s the reason LeBron was so efficient when those Cav teams relied upon him heavily?

[Mugen]

Hate all you want, but when the defense looks at our offense, they 100% concentrate on Wemby. When they look at OKC, they 100% concentrate on All NBA guard SGA. Attention makes a difference in your scoring.

Your attitude would be different if you hadn't whiffed on the lottery again. :lol

Who did they whiff on? Jabari? Because Ime (an actual decent coach) is already turning him around.

I guess Jalen Green but Sengun, Eason, and Amen are gonna be pretty damn good tbh. Fuck the Rockets obv but such a typical Spurs homer take tbh :lol

[ginobilized]

I haven't felt like the team has bought into the idea of helping Wemby get ROY.
Either they are just incredibly inept, or, they are not looking to help him get into a rhythm and get some easy buckets.
Chet gets some great looks with Giddy distributing and the defense collapsing on SGA. It's gonna take a village for Wemby to reach his potential. Not seeing much of that yet.

[Mugen]

No issue with anybody saying Chet > Wemby as ROTY so far since he's in the perfect situation to gun for the award while Wemby has literally been done zero favors by his coach.

But there isn't a single NBA GM that would trade Chet for Wemby at this point. Not a damn one :lol

[exstatic]

Who did they whiff on? Jabari? Because Ime (an actual decent coach) is already turning him around.

I guess Jalen Green but Sengun, Eason, and Amen are gonna be pretty damn good tbh. Fuck the Rockets obv but such a typical Spurs homer take tbh :lol

Whiffed, as in didn't win.

[R. DeMurre]

So he isn’t efficient because his team relies on him too much? Lol okay then what’s the reason LeBron was so efficient when those Cav teams relied upon him heavily?


When LeBron was 19 and a rookie with Cleveland, he shot 43.8% from 2, 29% from 3, and had a 48.8 TS%. Wemby's #s are 51% from 2, 26.5% from 3, and a 52.2 TS%.

[z0sa]

When LeBron was 19 and a rookie with Cleveland, he shot 43.8% from 2, 29% from 3, and had a 48.8 TS%. Wemby's #s are 51% from 2, 26.5% from 3, and a 52.2 TS%.

Cleveland had a way better team too. At least on paper. Imagine Carlos Boozer or Zydrunas Ilgauskas alone next to Wemby/coming off the bench. Not from a personality standpoint etc, not trying to theory craft too hard. But just in raw talent, those two are better than anyone we have than Vassell, maybe. And LeBron had Desagana Diop (early in his career, admittedly) and Ricky Davis too though he didn't play many games.

The only real advantage Wemby has over LeBron's rookie team on paper is (or is supposed to be) Pop

[itzsoweezee]

So he isn’t efficient because his team relies on him too much? Lol okay then what’s the reason LeBron was so efficient when those Cav teams relied upon him heavily?

How efficient was Lebron when he was a rookie? Or KD? You people are just grasping at straws now

[exstatic]

How efficient was Lebron when he was a rookie? Or KD? You people are just grasping at straws now

Bitter Rox fan is bitter.

[djohn2oo8]

Cleveland had a way better team too. At least on paper. Imagine Carlos Boozer or Zydrunas Ilgauskas alone next to Wemby/coming off the bench. Not from a personality standpoint etc, not trying to theory craft too hard. But just in raw talent, those two are better than anyone we have than Vassell, maybe. And LeBron had Desagana Diop (early in his career, admittedly) and Ricky Davis too though he didn't play many games.

The only real advantage Wemby has over LeBron's rookie team on paper is (or is supposed to be) Pop

:lmao acting like LeBron had anything of a decent team that year after they won only 17 games the year before.

[djohn2oo8]

When LeBron was 19 and a rookie with Cleveland, he shot 43.8% from 2, 29% from 3, and had a 48.8 TS%. Wemby's #s are 51% from 2, 26.5% from 3, and a 52.2 TS%.
Am I missing something or did Cleveland not rely solely on LeBron for multiple years? Because an argument was made that Victor is struggling because he is being relied on too much which is a ridiculous excuse.

[djohn2oo8]

Bitter Rox fan is bitter.
Bitter about what? Rockets fans have seen the last few years guys put up stats on bad teams. It means nothing until actual development happens. Chet CURRENTLY looks better, it is OKAY to admit that.

[z0sa]

:lmao acting like LeBron had anything of a decent team that year after they won only 17 games the year before.

Didn't say decent. Said way better than the current Spurs team.

[djohn2oo8]

Didn't say decent. Said way better than the current Spurs team.
And even that is a stretch.

[z0sa]

And even that is a stretch.

Carlos Boozer in 2004 >>>>>>> Zach Collins
Zydrunas Ilgauskas in 2004 >>>>>> Zach Collins
Jeff McInnis (in limited games) >>>>>> whoever we decide to fuck around with at PG (in terms of true PG/passing skills)

Like I said, either one of the bigs alone over Zollins instantly make the Spurs a way better team. Big Z had the second most freethrows averaged on that team besides LBJ and Boozer averaged over 11 rebounds per game.

If we had someone like McInnis who could average nearly 8 assists a game while shooting 39% from deep, Wemby would look way better than Chet, tbh.

[R. DeMurre]

Am I missing something or did Cleveland not rely solely on LeBron for multiple years? Because an argument was made that Victor is struggling because he is being relied on too much which is a ridiculous excuse.


You said what’s the reason LeBron was so efficient when those Cav teams relied upon him heavily... I'm just pointing out that he wasn't uber efficient at Victor's age in the same way he was later. If your point is that 19 year old Victor isn't as efficient as an older Lebron, I don't think anyone would argue against that. Lebron didn't top a 60% TS% until he was 25.

[ambchang]

Chet is still playing great with some ups and downs but wemby really came o strong as an individual player the last month or so. Problem is that the spurs haven’t won in 17 games.

I think/hope the spurs will come on much stronger in 2024 after Pop is done with his crazy experiments and actually decide to get them to play team ball.

[Silentbob]

wemby with a very good 21pts 20reb 4 ast 4 blocks outing tonight.
chet with 21pt 7reb 3 blocks. it should've been 11pts 5 rebs 3 blcks thanks to donkey green

[Rocalcio]

Chet's % shooting starting to go downhill... Just check tonight's game again

Once he starts getting the same treatment Victor gets there won't be any competition imo

Even with all his handicaps Victor is still more impresisve to me

I agree, and not only the percentages are going down, the numbers too, while Victor’s numbers are rising.

[Thomas82]

I agree, and not only the percentages are going down, the numbers too, while Victor’s numbers are rising.

Chet had 14 and 11 with 3 blocks tonight.

[Tyronn Lue]

Chet is going to be a really good player, maybe he is already, but he's not shouldering the offensive load on his team.

[HemisfairArena]

Wemby had 30 points, 13 rebounds and 6 blocks in his last game against an all star center in Anthony Davis. Just give him the ROTY already and be done with it. Chet isnt going to beat him.

[itzsoweezee]

Chet had 14 and 11 with 3 blocks tonight.
Did you watch the game? Nothing but easy/junk points. Missed two wide open threes down the stretch and got abused in the paint all night. Fox had like 40.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auTLqiXI3KA

[Thomas82]

Did you watch the game? Nothing but easy/junk points. Missed two wide open threes down the stretch and got abused in the paint all night. Fox had like 40.

Nope, didn't watch the game.....just posting his numbers for that night. But after seeing the highlights, your post is definately accurate.

[Thomas82]

Last night Wemby tied Dwight Howard for most consecutive double-doubles by a teenager.

[Obstructed_View]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auTLqiXI3KA

I'm super happy for Scoot that he's healthy and playing well...

Does anyone else notice that he carries the ball literally every time he dribbles? In a league where that is rampant, he stands out.

Also, I was enjoying his highlights and then noticed the score. It's like when Homer Simpson dreamed he was John Elway. :lol

[spursparker9]

Chet with 17 pts 11 rebs 9 blks against champion Denver

[TD 21]

As I've said, the national media collectively decided this was over (barring significant injury) about a month in and that the criteria that has always applied to this award was out the window.

Holmgren had them at White American on team next (the jockeying to become their confidantes has begun) vs the most hyped prospect in 20 years, who wanted to be and is a Spur (they'll do everything in their power to try to get him to a glamor market).

[Amuseddaysleeper]

As I've said, the national media collectively decided this was over (barring significant injury) about a month in and that the criteria that has always applied to this award was out the window.

Holmgren had them at White American on team next (the jockeying to become their confidantes has begun) vs the most hyped prospect in 20 years, who wanted to be and is a Spur (they'll do everything in their power to try to get him to a glamor market).

Wemby is atop the nba.com rookie ladder, wemby will get ROY

[Thomas82]

Chet with 17 pts 11 rebs 9 blks against champion Denver

Hopefully Wemby can have a 30, 20 game with 10 blocks tomorrow. :lol

[HemisfairArena]

Chet with 17 pts 11 rebs 9 blks against champion Denver

Wemby already played Denver,,,the Champs,,,on Nov 26th. He posted 22 pts,,11 rebs,,,,6 steals,,,4 blocks in 24 minutes,,,,,but, hey,,,Chet aint to bad,,,he's a poor man's Wemby but thats ok. By the way,,,how minutes did he play to get those lower numbers?,,,,,

[spursparker9]

Wemby already played Denver,,,the Champs,,,on Nov 26th. He posted 22 pts,,11 rebs,,,,6 steals,,,4 blocks in 24 minutes,,,,,but, hey,,,Chet aint to bad,,,he's a poor man's Wemby but thats ok. By the way,,,how minutes did he play to get those lower numbers?,,,,,

32mins

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXPmDNLxb7g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mPqXc4B-Gs

[spurraider21]

As I've said, the national media collectively decided this was over (barring significant injury) about a month in and that the criteria that has always applied to this award was out the window.

Holmgren had them at White American on team next (the jockeying to become their confidantes has begun) vs the most hyped prospect in 20 years, who wanted to be and is a Spur (they'll do everything in their power to try to get him to a glamor market).
If they love the white American so much then why aren’t they doing anything in their power to try to get him to a glamor market?

[Chomag]

I can't help but to think how good Wemby would be with a decent seasoned PG to get him the ball in his spots.
I mean... he is pretty amazing now but just add a good PG in there and he would be no doubt up there as one of the greats.

I honestly hope that the Spurs trade for a more veteran PG rather then draft one that may or may not be impact full for several years.

Wemby is the type of player best suited to have an elite pg along side him.

[TheBallsbreakers]

As I've said, the national media collectively decided this was over (barring significant injury) about a month in and that the criteria that has always applied to this award was out the window.

.
What?

[TD 21]

Wemby is atop the nba.com rookie ladder, wemby will get ROY

I know, but that's 1) Obviously affiliated with the league, who has much more invested in Wembanyama given that they hyped him more than any prospect since James and 2) Not aligned with most of the discourse.


If they love the white American so much then why aren’t they doing anything in their power to try to get him to a glamor market?

Because Holmgren didn't have nearly the same hype leading up and as good as he is, Wembanyama is still universally thought of as not only higher ceiling, but eventual face of the league potentially.


What?

Again, if you follow enough of the discourse, you'd know.

[Biggems]

I can't help but to think how good Wemby would be with a decent seasoned PG to get him the ball in his spots.
I mean... he is pretty amazing now but just add a good PG in there and he would be no doubt up there as one of the greats.

I honestly hope that the Spurs trade for a more veteran PG rather then draft one that may or may not be impact full for several years.

Wemby is the type of player best suited to have an elite pg along side him.

just start Jones. He may not be elite, but he plays well with Wemby.

[John B]

The media is just making it interesting to sell the rivalry more. But the future face of global basketball is Wemby. And winning the ROTY will be part of his mystique and legacy that the NBA will make sure he’ll get. Pop also has switched Wemby to his natural position and will oblige to help the Spurs franchise player add the ROTY to his eventual long list of accolades.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby will have to put eye catching numbers to compensate the "new rule" of team ranking/accomplishments

[rascal]

Wemby's numbers have jumped up in all categories at center.

This thread might as well be closed.

Wemby easily will win ROTY.

[CorrectCrusader]

As I've said, the national media collectively decided this was over (barring significant injury) about a month in and that the criteria that has always applied to this award was out the window.

Holmgren had them at White American on team next (the jockeying to become their confidantes has begun) vs the most hyped prospect in 20 years, who wanted to be and is a Spur (they'll do everything in their power to try to get him to a glamor market).

Your narrative that the American media wanting a white guy for roty is insane considering the entirety of American media hates white people lol

[exstatic]

Wemby will have to put eye catching numbers to compensate the "new rule" of team ranking/accomplishments

It’s not a rule, new or otherwise. It’s just something posters pulled out of their asses as a reason he might not win. The usual candidates for the award are drafted very high, and go to shitty teams.

[baseline bum]

Your narrative that the American media wanting a white guy for roty is insane considering the entirety of American media hates white people lol

God damn Texas is retarded :rollin

[Pauleta14]

It’s not a rule, new or otherwise. It’s just something posters pulled out of their asses as a reason he might not win. The usual candidates for the award are drafted very high, and go to shitty teams.

Call it a criteria then. It’s never been a factor but suddenly Chet is running away with the title from what I hear from pundits like RJ for ex

it’s ridiculous

[TD 21]

Your narrative that the American media wanting a white guy for roty is insane considering the entirety of American media hates white people lol

:lmao Yeah, if only white people could catch a break.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2vrMXr9syY

[Extra Stout]

I didn’t realize Breitbart and RedState controlled the ROTY voting. I thought NBA media was pretty urban-friendly. Or maybe it’s a plot by those perfidious Jews. Too bad, I guess Holmgren’s a shoo-in then.

[james evans]

Your narrative that the American media wanting a white guy for roty is insane considering the entirety of American media hates white people lol
You've never been to court have you? :lmao

[rjv]

so, the mostly white controlled media hates itself?

[Extra Stout]

so, the mostly white controlled media hates itself?
The mostly white NBA media is self-conscious and wants to paint itself as an ally. They don’t care about a Great White Hope the way people cared about Larry Bird 40 years ago, because that kind of white person stopped watching the NBA no later than the early ‘00s. Not only will Holmgren not get the benefit of the doubt, he’ll have to clearly outclass Wemby, which he won’t.

[spurraider21]

professional victims in this thread :lol

[CorrectCrusader]

so, the mostly white controlled media hates itself?

Jewish, and they don't consider themselves white unless it benefits them.

[CorrectCrusader]

:lmao Yeah, if only white people could catch a break.

for real though.

[spurraider21]

Jewish, and they don't consider themselves white unless it benefits them.
now we're in kanye west land

[buttsR4rebounding]

Wemby is going to average more points per game, more rebounds per game, more blocks per game than Chet. FG efficiency is something most of the ROY voters don't even care about even if they understand it.

[spurraider21]

Wemby is going to average more points per game, more rebounds per game, more blocks per game than Chet. FG efficiency is something most of the ROY voters don't even care about even if they understand it.
i have plenty of issues with award voters but i think they understand FG efficiency

[rjv]

now we're in kanye west land

Ye sniffer

[Thomas82]

I just got an alert that Wemby won't play tomorrow in Milwaukee.

[baseline bum]

I just got an alert that Wemby won't play tomorrow in Milwaukee.

Guess that gives me more time to finish Lies of P before my Game Pass expires tbh

[Silentbob]

crud . chet is already having a good game tonight, 17pt 6 rebs 7 blocks with 8mins to go in the 4th. will tie wemby on total blocks already.

[spurraider21]

chet's defensive iq, instinct, timing is much better than wemby's right now. if he was 7'4 with an 8 foot wingspan he'd be clearing 4 blocks per game tbh :lol

but he also has years on wemby

[ambchang]

It’s funny how the media is ranking Chet above wemby now after ranking wemby above Chet earlier in the year, when Chet got worse (mostly efficiency) as the year progressed and wemby got better.

[TD 21]

As usual, people are too caught up in the racial bias aspect to focus on providing a reason to the contrary.

I don't want to hear about Holmgren's catch all advanced metrics or the Thunder's record. No one is arguing his bona fides, just that those have never been the criteria for this award, but suddenly they are now . . . what changed?

[Thomas82]

Guess that gives me more time to finish Lies of P before my Game Pass expires tbh

Yeah, the team is unwatchable without him.

[Thomas82]

crud . chet is already having a good game tonight, 17pt 6 rebs 7 blocks with 8mins to go in the 4th. will tie wemby on total blocks already.

But Wemby is about to miss his 2nd game. I don't think Chet has missed a game so far.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjghjHXC_M4

Chet with 15 blks in past 2 games. Catching up to Wemby now

[exstatic]

As usual, people are too caught up in the racial bias aspect to focus on providing a reason to the contrary.

I don't want to hear about Holmgren's catch all advanced metrics or the Thunder's record. No one is arguing his bona fides, just that those have never been the criteria for this award, but suddenly they are now . . . what changed?

There’s only one poster caught up in the racial bias aspect, and it’s you.

[TD 21]

There’s only one poster caught up in the racial bias aspect, and it’s you.

Could it be because most of you are white and probably conservative as well?

Once again, no reason to the contrary. Why has the criteria all of a sudden changed if it's supposedly not for the two reasons I mentioned?

[exstatic]

Could it be because most of you are white and probably conservative as well?

Once again, no reason to the contrary. Why has the criteria all of a sudden changed if it's supposedly not for the two reasons I mentioned?

The criteria haven’t changed, just ST blather.

[TD 21]

The criteria haven’t changed, just ST blather.

Wrong. Just like season Banchero beat out Williams with worse catch all advanced metrics and a worse record because he had the far more difficult job as the first option on a bad team and had superior counting stats.

[Extra Stout]

It’s funny how the media is ranking Chet above wemby now after ranking wemby above Chet earlier in the year, when Chet got worse (mostly efficiency) as the year progressed and wemby got better.
I think a lot of these media guys just regurgitate what they hear, so their “opinions” lag events by a few weeks.

[CorrectCrusader]

As usual, people are too caught up in the racial bias aspect to focus on providing a reason to the contrary.

I don't want to hear about Holmgren's catch all advanced metrics or the Thunder's record. No one is arguing his bona fides, just that those have never been the criteria for this award, but suddenly they are now . . . what changed?

These awards are purely narrative based. Chet is the darling right now because he is being a great player on a great team. Vs Wemby being the best player on one of the worst teams of all time.

[Extra Stout]

These awards are purely narrative based. Chet is the darling right now because he is being a great player on a great team. Vs Wemby being the best player on one of the worst teams of all time.
There’s also a horse race narrative because the players are so similar and are viewed as the future faces of the league with a natural rivalry.

[Rocalcio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjghjHXC_M4

Chet with 15 blks in past 2 games. Catching up to Wemby now

Victor is tied with Lopez with 3blks a game, Chet is at 2,8.

[R. DeMurre]

As usual, people are too caught up in the racial bias aspect to focus on providing a reason to the contrary.

I don't want to hear about Holmgren's catch all advanced metrics or the Thunder's record. No one is arguing his bona fides, just that those have never been the criteria for this award, but suddenly they are now . . . what changed?


I'd guess that advanced metrics are becoming more of a factor with each passing year. To be fair, if advanced defensive metrics were more popular in the last 25 years, Duncan probably would've won multiple DPOY awards, but instead lost to guys who usually averaged more BPG, even when Timmy had a better block-to-foul ratio (a much better stat than just # of blocks), and a better DRtg, Defensive Win shares, etc.

[DAF86]

I'd guess that advanced metrics are becoming more of a factor with each passing year. To be fair, if advanced defensive metrics were more popular in the last 25 years, Duncan probably would've won multiple DPOY awards, but instead lost to guys who usually averaged more BPG, even when Timmy had a better block-to-foul ratio (a much better stat than just # of blocks), and a better DRtg, Defensive Win shares, etc.

Duncan would have won multiple DPoYs, Manu would have made more all-stars and won FMVP in '05.

[sfernald]

I hope the roty voting goes back and forth every single week and that brings out the best of both Chet and Wemby. That really worked back in the good ole days of Magic and Bird! Created a rivalry for the ages!

Actually the similarities between 1979 and 2023 are pretty stark. Bird was drafted the year before but delayed a year to play as a rookie in Magic’s rookie year.

Interestingly and thus perhaps prophetically the older more developed player Bird won the rookie of the year that year. Although Magic did manage a championship.

[TD 21]

I'd guess that advanced metrics are becoming more of a factor with each passing year. To be fair, if advanced defensive metrics were more popular in the last 25 years, Duncan probably would've won multiple DPOY awards, but instead lost to guys who usually averaged more BPG, even when Timmy had a better block-to-foul ratio (a much better stat than just # of blocks), and a better DRtg, Defensive Win shares, etc.

Wow, an actual alternate reason instead of seeing red when someone brings up racial bias.

I disagree, since my example from just last season says otherwise, but it's at least a reasonable take.

[Thomas82]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjghjHXC_M4

Chet with 15 blks in past 2 games. Catching up to Wemby now

And Brook Lopez had 6 tonight. Wemby needs at least that many Thursday to keep pace.

[CorrectCrusader]

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-dec-20-2023-edition

Wemby continues to lead the rookie rankings. For all this talk about narrative and chet, Victor seems to still be at the top.

[Jordan Jackson]

Could it be because most of you are white and probably conservative as well?

Once again, no reason to the contrary. Why has the criteria all of a sudden changed if it's supposedly not for the two reasons I mentioned?

Are you alluding to “Great White Hope” syndrome? Pretty common in sports media. I don’t know if it’s in play here - maybe with a few weirdos on the internet.

I don’t see Chet and Wemby as rivals no matter how hard ESPN tries. That OKC team belongs to Shai and only goes as far as he carries them. Is Chet even garnering any defensive attention?

[TD 21]

https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-dec-20-2023-edition

Wemby continues to lead the rookie rankings. For all this talk about narrative and chet, Victor seems to still be at the top.


I know, but that's 1) Obviously affiliated with the league, who has much more invested in Wembanyama given that they hyped him more than any prospect since James and 2) Not aligned with most of the discourse.

This is why media continues to brainwash masses and I'm not just speaking to the NBA, but in general. It never ceases to amaze how many are dense/blind/gullible.



Are you alluding to “Great White Hope” syndrome? Pretty common in sports media. I don’t know if it’s in play here - maybe with a few weirdos on the internet.

I don’t see Chet and Wemby as rivals no matter how hard ESPN tries. That OKC team belongs to Shai and only goes as far as he carries them. Is Chet even garnering any defensive attention?

Nah, I'm alluding to what I said: A toxic cocktail of racial bias (not to be confused with racism) and Spurs hatred.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7wyOur69qc

[Pauleta14]

Zero Stock tho

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KudEigAayJo

[Obstructed_View]

It’s funny how the media is ranking Chet above wemby now after ranking wemby above Chet earlier in the year, when Chet got worse (mostly efficiency) as the year progressed and wemby got better.
They need a story to pursue. Grant Hill and Jason Kidd, Chris Webber and Penny Hardaway. The race baiting is embarrassing.

[Obstructed_View]

https://hashtagbasketball.com/nba-rookie-rankings

[spursparker9]

Chet and OKC killing West no 1 seed Timberwolves

[Leetonidas]

Chet is definitely ahead in the race at this point sadly

[Mugen]

I just hope that Wemby remembers his franchise deliberately tanking his ROTY efforts this year.

If he wants to reach the heights that he set for himself before his NBA career, it's clear he needs to go to a first rate organization. Not this clown show that Timmy and Ginobili propped up for years.

[Pauleta14]

He can't go anywhere for FOUR years so what's the point of even envision that.

PATFO knows it and probably don't care if he leaves then

[Mugen]

He can't go anywhere for FOUR years so what's the point of even envision that.

PATFO knows it and probably don't care if he leaves then

If this retarded FO doesn't care if he leaves in 4 years then the Holts or whomever need to nuke the shit outta them :lol

[Pauleta14]

Spurs value already gained 1 billion

+ In PATFO's mind they probably think that this 1st season will be forgoten

[Mugen]

I mean there's one guy that should never forget this season.

[Pauleta14]

For all those saying ROTY doesn't matter, yes it doesn't on the long run but IT DOES in a tanking season to give him a sort of short term purpose.

[Chomag]

Okc head coach is letting Chet play is the difference.

[TheGreatYacht]

Chet is so fucking mid it’s insane. He’s a disgustingly bad rebounder for his size. Had 3 rebounds tonight against Capela who had 14.

Put this system player on the Spurs and we’d be winless. Put Wemby on that superteam with a top 5 player in the world next to him and it’s legitimately over for the league.

It’s a shame no one talks about him being a 21yr old fake rookie like they did with Ben Simmons. Can’t qWhite put my finger on why that is.

[Jordan Jackson]

Chet got benched in the 4Q of the Hawks game. Hawks were targeting him on defense with Jalen Johnson. I can’t imagine a team running plays to challenge Wemby on defense.

If team record and efficiency are all of a sudden determining factors in ROTY then knock yourself out and give it to Chet. I think he’s a good player but not a generational one. I keep hearing that and I’m not buying it.

Wemby is having a great season despite the absolute awful roster. Spurs failed him with that.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg5fHWZuMrQ

Would Wemby be able to block Jalen Johnson?

[CGD]

^ I mean, Ja got Wemby pretty bad the other day. This is gonna happen.

[kace]

^ I mean, Ja got Wemby pretty bad the other day. This is gonna happen.

of course, this is going to happen, with any big that is not reluctant to defend like Victor.

but about the Morant dunk, i find it very exaggerated. He absolutely didn't dunk on Victor, rather he took him with his speed to dunk it. I find the narrative on this dunk really out of proportion when you see the actual play. guess that Morant acting like he won a trophy after the dunk has something to do with it.

and i didn't like either the narrative of "Victor met morant". They've actually met sooner in the game, in one of the first play and Morant was badly blocked in a very Wemby's fashion where the ball get stucked and his team get the ball back and it ended with a 3 pts play IIRC.

To be honest, it's one of the thing that has been the most surprising for me about Victor debut in the NBA: with all the hype around him, his insane height, his defensive reputation, i thought that with the level of talent and athletism that exist in the NBA, he would be targeted and quite logically posterised regularly: it has not really happen very often instead. Good, even if it's not the most important thing.

[Pauleta14]

The dunk from Ja on/near Wemby is the most overrated, oversold dunk that ever happened :lol

[MannyIsGod]

The dunk from Ja on/near Wemby is the most overrated, oversold dunk that ever happened :lol

Seriously

[spurraider21]

bigs that aggressively try to block every shot are going to get dunked on a lot

mourning was a shotblocking monster who has all kind of highlight reels of him getting dunked on, including this one which is prob my favorite in-game dunk of all time


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYi0zSI_rTY

[spurraider21]

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[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Spurs tanking should also coincide with a concerted effort to build up Wemby's stats. If we're losing anyway, let's do all we can to help the rook at least feel like he's accomplished something in this wasted year of his career.

[djohn2oo8]

Spurs tanking should also coincide with a concerted effort to build up Wemby's stats. If we're losing anyway, let's do all we can to help the rook at least feel like he's accomplished something in this wasted year of his career.
Padding stats does nothing. The focus should be on actual improvement from him as well.

[MultiTroll]

Could we get Thread and Team Parrot from the political forum to dedicate his spamming to voting for Wemby for a spell?

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[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Padding stats does nothing. The focus should be on actual improvement from him as well.

You can't improve if you aren't touching the ball.

[baseline bum]

1742969361533431839

What a joke to see SGA not one of the top two guards

[Thomas82]

Spurs tanking should also coincide with a concerted effort to build up Wemby's stats. If we're losing anyway, let's do all we can to help the rook at least feel like he's accomplished something in this wasted year of his career.

Chet got Rookie Of The Month again for December. That was shocking to me, I thought Wemby had the better month. The Spurs are doing Wemby absolutely no favors.

[Pauleta14]

Nothing surprising tbh, the "it's Chet's to lose" regarding the ROY narrative has been in every medias for a while now

Team results is the new rule

[mudyez]

of course, this is going to happen, with any big that is not reluctant to defend like Victor.

but about the Morant dunk, i find it very exaggerated. He absolutely didn't dunk on Victor, rather he took him with his speed to dunk it. I find the narrative on this dunk really out of proportion when you see the actual play. guess that Morant acting like he won a trophy after the dunk has something to do with it.

and i didn't like either the narrative of "Victor met morant". They've actually met sooner in the game, in one of the first play and Morant was badly blocked in a very Wemby's fashion where the ball get stucked and his team get the ball back and it ended with a 3 pts play IIRC.

To be honest, it's one of the thing that has been the most surprising for me about Victor debut in the NBA: with all the hype around him, his insane height, his defensive reputation, i thought that with the level of talent and athletism that exist in the NBA, he would be targeted and quite logically posterised regularly: it has not really happen very often instead. Good, even if it's not the most important thing.

Truth!!!

[MultiTroll]

That was fabulous!
Milwaukee game.

I don't care if his coach is a retard and has zero BBIQ that massively holds Wama down.
And i love Chet.

Wama is ROY hands down thus far.

[Pauleta14]

To a question about the ROY and the AllStar Game Wemby clearly said it matters, adding from now on "every game is a statement"

WOW

There ZERO doubt he wants to be ROTY

[CorrectCrusader]

This dude is a future 5 time MVP

[MultiTroll]

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[mudyez]

Wemby leading the Rookies in PPG, RPG, SPG and BPG...I get that Chet is doing great as well, but come on...you cant just give it to him, because his team is better.

[exstatic]

I almost feel sorry for Chet if he does win, because Wemby is going to make him pay for the rest of his career.

[spurraider21]

Wemby leading the Rookies in PPG, RPG, SPG and BPG...I get that Chet is doing great as well, but come on...you cant just give it to him, because his team is better.
to be frank... i get the argument for chet. i just dont agree with it.

its not just that OKC is a better team, but he's also elevating them. OKC was a .500 team last year, and Chet is basically their only new contributor (also cason wallace, but in a much lesser role), and suddenly they're an elite squad, and its clear he has a lot to do with it. so its not just that the team is good, but that he is playing well and in a manner that is translating to team success.

his counting stats arent that far from wemby. its about 2 points, 2.5 rebounds, 0.5 blocks difference, but chet's efficiency is basically god-tier lol

with that said, if you are evaluating them as individuals, really have to contextualize their situations. while Chet's defense has been awesome, wemby has been even better. and while their scoring numbers are similar, wemby carries so much more of a burden to create his team's offense.

[Thomas82]

to be frank... i get the argument for chet. i just dont agree with it.

its not just that OKC is a better team, but he's also elevating them. OKC was a .500 team last year, and Chet is basically their only new contributor (also cason wallace, but in a much lesser role), and suddenly they're an elite squad, and its clear he has a lot to do with it. so its not just that the team is good, but that he is playing well and in a manner that is translating to team success.

his counting stats arent that far from wemby. its about 2 points, 2.5 rebounds, 0.5 blocks difference, but chet's efficiency is basically god-tier lol

with that said, if you are evaluating them as individuals, really have to contextualize their situations. while Chet's defense has been awesome, wemby has been even better. and while their scoring numbers are similar, wemby carries so much more of a burden to create his team's offense.

And Wemby is doing it in slightly fewer minutes, especially now with the minutes restriction in effect. Also, Wemby has missed 4 games so far, while Chet hasn't missed a game yet.

[spurraider21]

And Wemby is doing it in slightly fewer minutes, especially now with the minutes restriction in effect. Also, Wemby has missed 4 games so far, while Chet hasn't missed a game yet.
They’re both averaging about 29-30 no?

[Thomas82]

They’re both averaging about 29-30 no?

Chet is at 30 on the dot, and Wemby is at 29.3. That restriction will drag him down lower, depending on how much longer he has to deal with it.

[TDMVPDPOY]

wendy wants to win, not on popabitchs watch...who has a process to tank this year...

if his leaving...lol frontoffice

[MultiTroll]

Wemby leading the Rookies in PPG, RPG, SPG and BPG...I get that Chet is doing great as well, but come on...you cant just give it to him, because his team is better.
TH is there an accurate stats per minute for NBA?

I would think Wemby is outdoing Chet.

[tonight...you]

TH is there an accurate stats per minute for NBA?

I would think Wemby is outdoing Chet.
I think they are playing almost the exact same minutes for the season as of now so those numbers might not deviate very much.

Edit: I was thinking minutes/game. I forgot about Wemby missing a few games.

[MultiTroll]

I think they are playing almost the exact same minutes for the season as of now so those numbers might not deviate very much.

Edit: I was thinking minutes/game. I forgot about Wemby missing a few games.
Right you are.
30.0 Chet
29.3 Wemby

Would still be nice to see an accurate website as the season goes on and their minutes may gap somewhat.
Chet with the HUGE advantage playing real NBA talent and a real NBA coach.
OTOH Wama may be getting more offensive rebound opportunities with the Bricky Spurs.

[scott]

to be frank... i get the argument for chet. i just dont agree with it.

its not just that OKC is a better team, but he's also elevating them. OKC was a .500 team last year, and Chet is basically their only new contributor (also cason wallace, but in a much lesser role), and suddenly they're an elite squad, and its clear he has a lot to do with it. so its not just that the team is good, but that he is playing well and in a manner that is translating to team success.

his counting stats arent that far from wemby. its about 2 points, 2.5 rebounds, 0.5 blocks difference, but chet's efficiency is basically god-tier lol

with that said, if you are evaluating them as individuals, really have to contextualize their situations. while Chet's defense has been awesome, wemby has been even better. and while their scoring numbers are similar, wemby carries so much more of a burden to create his team's offense.

IMO, this is the key element. A lot of Spurs fans view Chet winning ROTM or being atop the rookie ladder as some kind of new approach to the award where team record matters, but in reality it's the impact that those players are having. OKC has improved with Chet, and the Spurs have managed to get worse.

Even if the Spurs were only slightly better than last year, I think the narriative would be different, but instead we are historically bad. This puts a black eye on Wemby's ROTY resume, and it is no fault of his own: it's the FO and Head Coach who wrought this.

[John B]

The NBA is just thickening the Wemby/Chet rivalry. But Wemby as the future face of global NBA will win the ROTY to add to the marketing and not lessen his legacy. It’s all about money! Wemby will eventually win the ROTY.

[Tyronn Lue]

Victor "I've been dreaming of that ROTY award since I was 6 feet tall"

[buttsR4rebounding]

Victor will be both the ROY and be on the all star team this year. The Spurs are finally starting to feed him more and have started playing closer games. If you search the web for highlights Wemby is all over the place. Chet not even close. The Spurs will start winning more games and Wemby will be rightfully given the credit. He will gradually increase his minutes toward the 30 minute a game mark and his counting stats will also giving him an increasingly larger advantage over Chet. Finally, he is the anointed one. It is in the NBA's best interest for these things to happen so they will. It's nice to have that as an SA advantage for a change.

[tbdog]

Once those minute restrictions go, and we see more 30/10/6blk, the narrative will be all on Wemby as ROTY.

[rjv]

i don't understand the logic: if winning doesn't matter, why would losing?

[spursparker9]

Chet with a monster game against Wizards. 31 pts

[lefty]

https://twitter.com/dom_2k/status/1743031778372157796

[Pauleta14]

As always those 2 are very interesting to listen to!

Wemby from the 7.50 mark, but they talk about Chet as well


https://youtu.be/Y_3q-nZ0uC8?si=zjtt5zFoovJGYkLT

[SupremeGuy]

I wanna bet a grand or more on Wemby but fuck man I don't want to jinx anything. lol

[Spurminator]

Wemby leading the Rookies in PPG, RPG, SPG and BPG...I get that Chet is doing great as well, but come on...you cant just give it to him, because his team is better.

I remember when ESPN actually had discussion segments on whether Tim Duncan or Keith Van Horn was the right pick for ROY, because KVH was on a 1 seeded team.

Of course, the actual vote was rightfully lopsided. But Chet is no KVH and deserves to be in the discussion.

[Pauleta14]

I wanna bet a grand or more on Wemby but fuck man I don't want to jinx anything. lol

I smell a « Wemby is better but Chet is more impactful blabla » that leads to Chet getting ROY

Only mind blowing performances from Wemby will help him win it. Very doable if he keeps his recent mentality tho

[Joseph Kony]

chet is a fucking role player, dude takes 12 shots a game and plays next to a leading MVP candidate who averages 30+ a game :lmao

kid has game but he is not on Vic's level overall aside from shooting efficiency which anyone who isnt a smooth brain understands why that is. i'm inclined to take the TD 21 route and claim the media/fans are racist trying to prop up white american dude over black foreigner as their ROY when it's fuckin obvious that is actual rookie doing unheard of shit and setting records while anchoring a pathetic team on both ends of the court is the real ROY :lol not to mention his senile coach and the fact he plays less MPG..

[itzsoweezee]

chet is a fucking role player, dude takes 12 shots a game and plays next to a leading MVP candidate who averages 30+ a game :lmao

kid has game but he is not on Vic's level overall aside from shooting efficiency which anyone who isnt a smooth brain understands why that is. i'm inclined to take the TD 21 route and claim the media/fans are racist trying to prop up white american dude over black foreigner as their ROY when it's fuckin obvious that is actual rookie doing unheard of shit and setting records while anchoring a pathetic team on both ends of the court is the real ROY :lol not to mention his senile coach and the fact he plays less MPG..

This is pretty blatantly happening on social media. I’m not sure what’s going on with these journalists, but the suddenly new criteria for ROY is absurd

[itzsoweezee]

Chet with a monster game against Wizards. 31 pts

The amount of uncontested shots he gets on that team is ridiculous. Wemby would average 30 on the Thunder

[Seventyniner]

chet is a fucking role player, dude takes 12 shots a game and plays next to a leading MVP candidate who averages 30+ a game :lmao

kid has game but he is not on Vic's level overall aside from shooting efficiency which anyone who isnt a smooth brain understands why that is. i'm inclined to take the TD 21 route and claim the media/fans are racist trying to prop up white american dude over black foreigner as their ROY when it's fuckin obvious that is actual rookie doing unheard of shit and setting records while anchoring a pathetic team on both ends of the court is the real ROY :lol not to mention his senile coach and the fact he plays less MPG..

Victor's usage rate is 30.3%, Chet's is 22.0% (4th on his own team). Victor is the star of his team while Chet is a 4th option. They really aren't comparable other than both being really tall and liking to shoot threes.

[Fizziksman]

chet is a fucking role player, dude takes 12 shots a game and plays next to a leading MVP candidate who averages 30+ a game :lmao

kid has game but he is not on Vic's level overall aside from shooting efficiency which anyone who isnt a smooth brain understands why that is. i'm inclined to take the TD 21 route and claim the media/fans are racist trying to prop up white american dude over black foreigner as their ROY when it's fuckin obvious that is actual rookie doing unheard of shit and setting records while anchoring a pathetic team on both ends of the court is the real ROY :lol not to mention his senile coach and the fact he plays less MPG..

The desperation to pretend the Warriors dynasty didn't destroy American Youth Basketball and trying to prevent the inevitable that the best players in the NBA for like the next decade are going to know English as a Second Language

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKhp6bi--4I

[Raven]

easiest money ever made

[scott]

To give you an idea of casual fan's perspective, a co-worker (who does follow the league as a whole) asked me if I'd rather have Chet over Wemby given the way this season is playing out. After hearing me out, he agreed Wemby is far superior but his initial take was brought on by the fact that Chet's team has elevated while the Spurs are 5-30, so he just assumes Wemby hasn't had a positive impact.

Like it or not, the stink of this horrible team does rub off on Wemby to casual fans.

[DAF86]

When was the last time a kid led all rookies in ppg, rbds, blks, stls and didn't win ROY? Did it ever happen?

[baseline bum]

To give you an idea of casual fan's perspective, a co-worker (who does follow the league as a whole) asked me if I'd rather have Chet over Wemby given the way this season is playing out. After hearing me out, he agreed Wemby is far superior but his initial take was brought on by the fact that Chet's team has elevated while the Spurs are 5-30, so he just assumes Wemby hasn't had a positive impact.

Like it or not, the stink of this horrible team does rub off on Wemby to casual fans.

I think my answer to that question would be I wouldn't trade Victor for Chet+SGA

[Raven]

When was the last time a kid led all rookies in ppg, rbds, blks, stls and didn't win ROY? Did it ever happen?
no

[timtonymanu]

Triple double. Clear ROY. Fucking bum ass Chet.

[Frenchfred]

I think my answer to that question would be I wouldn't trade Victor for Chet+SGA

I love Wemby and hope that he stays a Spurs forever but Chet+SGA is hard to pass even for Wemby. Do you think that Wemby + Vassel will be superior to Chet+SGA?

[Robz4000]

Wemby could average a triple double the rest of the season and people would still give Chet ROTY. They've decided team success suddenly matters because Wemby didn't go to their favorite team :lol...

[baseline bum]

I love Wemby and hope that he stays a Spurs forever but Chet+SGA is hard to pass even for Wemby. Do you think that Wemby + Vassel will be superior to Chet+SGA?

I really love Holmgren and think I rate him higher than most here, but Victor is such an unreal combination of size, speed, athleticism, basketball IQ, touch, and competitiveness and despite playing in a terrible situation he seems right on track to live up to his tremendous pre-draft hype. It's amazing how much he has grown just in these first 2.5 months of the season.

[baseline bum]

Wemby could average a triple double the rest of the season and people would still give Chet ROTY. They've decided team success suddenly matters because Wemby didn't go to their favorite team :lol...

Early season when Victor was getting pushed around a lot and couldn't score against SF on the block I understood the Chet ROY talk, especially when Chet was shooting 60% from the field and 50% from the three. Against Victor as he stands today though nah Victor is the ROY.

[Frenchfred]

I really love Holmgren and think I rate him higher than most here, but Victor is such an unreal combination of size, speed, athleticism, basketball IQ, touch, and competitiveness and despite playing in a terrible situation he seems right on track to live up to his tremendous pre-draft hype. It's amazing how much he has grown just in these first 2.5 months of the season.

and I agree but you said Chet PLUS SGA for Wemby. Hopefully, the Spurs will find a SGA-like player to put next to Wemby.

[CorrectCrusader]

I love Wemby and hope that he stays a Spurs forever but Chet+SGA is hard to pass even for Wemby. Do you think that Wemby + Vassel will be superior to Chet+SGA?

Wait for Wembys prime. He's gonna be the GOAT.

[Frenchfred]

Wait for Wembys prime. He's gonna be the GOAT.

again I agree but baseline put SGA in the trade as well. Hard to pass on 31 points (shooting 55%), 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.4 steals + Chet

[baseline bum]

and I agree but you said Chet PLUS SGA for Wemby. Hopefully, the Spurs will find a SGA-like player to put next to Wemby.

It's like saying I wouldn't have traded Magic Johnson for Clyde Drexler and Kevin McHale if they were on the same team. Both amazing players but Magic was someone the league had never seen before (or since). Victor looks like he could end up another game-breaking player like Magic.

[DAF86]

again I agree but baseline put SGA in the trade as well. Hard to pass on 31 points (shooting 55%), 6 rebounds, 6 assists, 2.4 steals + Chet

Put it this way, would you trade Lebron James for Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh?

[paperboy77]

Really hate the Chet bashing here and elsewhere. That dude is a stud and I wished somehow, we could have drafted him. This guy is in my opinion already all-star level and should defiantly be ROY of last season. Absolutely not even close this season of. Wemby on the other hand is absolutely special in everyway. ROY this year should be a no brainer. I think he's easily an allstar and should be defensive player of the year as well. Probably All-NBA 2nd team at the lowest. Instead of shitting on Chet everyone should be pointing out just how much better Wemby is than Chet.

[paperboy77]

It's like saying I wouldn't have traded Magic Johnson for Clyde Drexler and Kevin McHale if they were on the same team. Both amazing players but Magic was someone the league had never seen before (or since). Victor looks like he could end up another game-breaking player like Magic.

:bobo

[Frenchfred]

Put it this way, would you trade Lebron James for Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh?

Chet has more potential than Bosh, Bosh was never a good three point shooter or good shot blocker. 2008-2009 Wade is a good comparison with SGA so I'd take Wade at his peak + young Scottie Pippen over a young Lebron James

[baseline bum]

Chet has more potential than Bosh, Bosh was never a good three point shooter or good shot blocker. 2008-2009 Wade is a good comparison with SGA so I'd take Wade at his peak + young Scottie Pippen over a young Lebron James

Pippen is a wildly underrated player IMO, and SGA isn't Prime Wade just yet. Scottie never was the same after his back injury in 98 and because of that people forget how amazing he was before then.

[Frenchfred]

Pippen is a wildly underrated player IMO, and SGA isn't Prime Wade just yet. Scottie never was the same after his back injury in 98 and because of that people forget how amazing he was before then.

Don't get me wrong, I love Wemby and I'm glad that he is a Spurs and he is better than Chet. SGA has similar if not better stats than prime Wade but I agree we have to see if he can do it more than a third of a season.

Let's hope that the Spurs can surround Wemby with a player similar to SGA, I don't think that Vassel is that guy and he is already making a lot of money. I'd love a disgruntled Doncic playing with Wemby :lol

[baseline bum]

Don't get me wrong, I love Wemby and I'm glad that he is a Spurs and he is better than Chet. SGA has similar if not better stats than prime Wade but I agree we have to see if he can do it more than a third of a season.

Let's hope that the Spurs can surround Wemby with a player similar to SGA, I don't think that Vassel is that guy and he is already making a lot of money. I'd love a disgruntled Doncic playing with Wemby :lol

Prime Wade played in a slow down grind it out era where you could legally play defense against guards.

[MultiTroll]

Minutes restriction might cost him ROY in the end.

But his per minute stats have been great the last 5 games.

[DAF86]

Chet has more potential than Bosh, Bosh was never a good three point shooter or good shot blocker. 2008-2009 Wade is a good comparison with SGA so I'd take Wade at his peak + young Scottie Pippen over a young Lebron James

This isn't a "peak" vs "young" debate. Of course a team with SGA and Chet now would be better than a team with only Wemby. But that's not the question here, the question is "would you rather have Chet and SGA going forward, or just Wemby?"

Everybody in their right mind would pick the once in a generation unicorn and then we will see who we partner him with.

P/S 1: Bosh proved to be a #1 option on the NBA and a championship level #3. We will see if Chet ever accomplishes that, tbh.

P/S 2: You are crazy if you are taking two top 30 ish guys of all-time over the 2nd or 3rd GOAT.

[TDMVPDPOY]

When was the last time a kid led all rookies in ppg, rbds, blks, stls and didn't win ROY? Did it ever happen?

everybody knows melo was robbed of roy by lekang

[Frenchfred]

This isn't a "peak" vs "young" debate. Of course a team with SGA and Chet now would be better than a team with only Wemby. But that's not the question here, the question is "would you rather have Chet and SGA going forward, or just Wemby?"

Everybody in their right mind would pick the once in a generation unicorn and then we will see who we partner him with.

P/S 1: Bosh proved to be a #1 option on the NBA and a championship level #3. We will see if Chet ever accomplishes that, tbh.

P/S 2: You are crazy if you are taking two top 30 ish guys of all-time over the 2nd or 3rd GOAT.

I disagree. You are assuming that Wemby will have the same career as Lebron, he has the potential but nothing is guaranteed. A small market like San Antonio that has NEVER attracted superstars will have a hard time attracting somebody the same level as SGA, 30/6/6/2 don't fall from trees. So, we are hoping that the draft is going to bring us another Parker AND Manu.

PS2: if you assume that Wemby will have the same level as Lebron then I can assume that Chet will have the same as Durant and yes I would trade take Wade and Durant in their prime versus Lebron in his because San Antonio would never attract a second star.

[DAF86]

I disagree. You are assuming that Wemby will have the same career as Lebron, he has the potential but nothing is guaranteed. A small market like San Antonio that has NEVER attracted superstars will have a hard time attracting somebody the same level as SGA, 30/6/6/2 don't fall from trees. So, we are hoping that the draft is going to bring us another Parker AND Manu.

PS2: if you assume that Wemby will have the same level as Lebron then I can assume that Chet will have the same as Durant and yes I would trade take Wade and Durant in their prime versus Lebron in his because San Antonio would never attract a second star.

If you had to take a wild guess, who do you think will end up being the better player out of Wemby, SGA and Chet?

[ambchang]

The only package I would even consider trading wemby now is jokic and Murray. And that’s a huge maybe because the rest of the spurs suck so bad they ain’t winning squat with those two. With wemby you have a bigger window retooling around him.

Trading wemby for sga and Chet is irresponsible. Nobody trades a generational talent in his rookie year. They may end up like Lebron, jordan, hakeem, duncan, robinson, magic or bird and some of those you would definitely trade for a sga plus Chet, but you never know.

[SpursFan86]

Future potential shouldn’t really play into ROTY discussions…

Look, I’m as impressed by Wemby as the next guy but I think it’s hard to say it’s a no-brainer or non-discussion at this point. Both players have been incredibly impactful as rookies. Wemby undoubtedly has less surrounding help and has to shoulder more of the offensive burden, while there’s no argument that Chet hasn’t been far more efficient than Victor. Chet’s 21.5 points per 36 on 66% TS vs. Victor’s 24 points per 36 on 54% TS isn’t just something you can wave away.

All this being said, I’m obviously biased but I lean Victor. I’ll go with the guy who is clearly the focal point of opposing teams each night and it’s hard to argue that, if their roles were reversed, Chet would be displaying the same level of ultra-efficiency. Hopefully Victor can shed this damn minutes restriction BS and start putting up some truly crazy numbers when he goes back to playing 30+ mpg.

Last thing: personally think it’s kind of bullshit to give a guy ROTY who was in the league last year. Just because he didn’t play doesn’t mean he didn’t benefit from a full year of being exposed to NBA coaching, training staff, etc. Not gonna say it’s a “fraud” if he wins but if two guys are close I’m definitely going to default to the guy who just got drafted this year.

[Russ]

Wemby's got the national buzz --- he'll very likely be ROTY.

[Pauleta14]

Wemby's got the national buzz --- he'll very likely be ROTY.

Wemby would win the popular vote by the fans but not from the ppl who vote right now at least.

most NBA analysts have a man crush on Chet bc of their passion for analytics as opposed to the eye test/common sense

[Frenchfred]

If you had to take a wild guess, who do you think will end up being the better player out of Wemby, SGA and Chet?

Wemby. What superstar, same level as SGA, will the Spurs be able to bring through trade to play with Wemby?

[tonight...you]

If you watch both Chet and Wemby in games you immediately notice the difference.
The amount of respect teams give on O to Wemby.
The insane amount of near game-breaking fear teams show when he's in on D.

Chet is awesome and worthy of accolades. He's also about 2 years older and has been in an NBA program for a year.

Just think of Wemby even 1 year from now. Holy crap.

[Frenchfred]

The Thunders with a 60-point lead on the Blazers. OKC is on the same time period as the Spurs, maybe 2 years ahead, the rivalry between the two could be interesting if the Spurs can construct a nice team around Wemby.

[SpursBills]

Front office better get its ass in gear. Otherwise Wemby vs Chet is going to look a lot like the Gen Z version of Wilt vs Russell: One guy playing with a bunch of scrubs doing generational things that nobody's ever seen before losing over and over to a clearly worse guy at the same position playing with a stacked team.

[spursparker9]

I think the next few games against OKC will be the statement game. If Wemby can outperform Chet directly against him in a game then it will help his case for ROY.

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

it's gonbe wemby. these chet talk is just media trying to make the narrative interesting

*yawn*

[Arcadian]

Do you guys feel like Victor has achieved mainstream popularity the way Lebron and Yao Ming did as rookies? Or is being in San Antonio limiting his popularity?

I recall there being a close race for ROTY between Lebron and Carmelo for similar reasons. Carmelo was on a better team and seemed more experienced after one year of college, but eventually Lebron separated himself. It wasn't until year 2 or 3 that it became clear Lebron was on another level.

[exstatic]

Wemby would win the popular vote by the fans but not from the ppl who vote right now at least.

most NBA analysts have a man crush on Chet bc of their passion for analytics as opposed to the eye test/common sense

You give them too much credit. Most NBA analysts are as dumb as a bag of hair. Like boxing, basketball media are always looking for the next Great White Hope.

[DAF86]

Wemby. What superstar, same level as SGA, will the Spurs be able to bring through trade to play with Wemby?

We don't need to bring a superstar the same level as SGA, we already have Wemby, who, in theory, would be better. We just need an all-star level PG.

So yeah, that's why you pick Wemby over SGA and Chet 100% of the time. Always go with the best player available, in basketball: 1+4 > 2+3.

[spurraider21]

Do you guys feel like Victor has achieved mainstream popularity the way Lebron and Yao Ming did as rookies? Or is being in San Antonio limiting his popularity?

I recall there being a close race for ROTY between Lebron and Carmelo for similar reasons. Carmelo was on a better team and seemed more experienced after one year of college, but eventually Lebron separated himself. It wasn't until year 2 or 3 that it became clear Lebron was on another level.
its going to be hard to reach those levels. when those guys became megastars, yes the internet was already a thing, but people still watched sportscenter and such to get their sports intake, and those programs would constantly promote specific stars.

now everybody is on twitter and can get exposure to whatever player/team they want. the league has less control over it now imo

[Knoxxx]

Speaking of all stars, I think I eyeballed Wemby at about #14 in the fan voting and Chet another spot or two lower. I factored out Morant who obviously won’t be playing. Looks to me like both “rookies” are odd men out for the main ASG this season. The only wild card is Wemby leading the league on blocks, that could strengthen his case.

[Pauleta14]

You give them too much credit. Most NBA analysts are as dumb as a bag of hair. Like boxing, basketball media are always looking for the next Great White Hope.

Aren’t they the one who vote for ROTY?

[Frenchfred]

We don't need to bring a superstar the same level as SGA, we already have Wemby, who, in theory, would be better. We just need an all-star level PG.

So yeah, that's why you pick Wemby over SGA and Chet 100% of the time. Always go with the best player available, in basketball: 1+4 > 2+3.

who is this all-star PG coming to San Antonio?

[KobesAchilles]

who is this all-star PG coming to San Antonio?
We already have one in Sochan. I was told all offseason and the beginning of the season that Sochan was our starting point guard of the future. And people yelled to the rafters about how I was overreacting by saying we shouldn’t have him there. But according to all the sniffers I have to wait 3 years to see him develop. So I don’t wanna hear shit about replacing him as a PG.

Sochan IS our point guard of the future. Just give him time :lmao