Game Thread: Spurs (3-7) at Thunder (6-4) November 14, 2023 | 6:30 P.M. CT

[spurraider21]

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[TimmyBuckets]

This team is trash. Not even a tanking issue. These players just suck that’s all.

[Devi8or]

I swear, everytime Wemby seals his guy, Sochan fake passes to him and throws it to the top of the key

[Dex]

Sochan at PG is a disaster.

Dude looks like he is playing in slow-motion when he is trying to run a play or figure out a pass.

[CorrectCrusader]

There ya go vassell. Great block & Pass

[objective]

Probably safe to say that Vassell's rep as a defender was really just him being a system player in College. FSU was a well coached defense and made players look better than they were, considering how great Vassell's advanced numbers were there.

[spurraider21]

:lmao vassell throws a perfect lob to collins with position inside... but nobody is capable of doing to that for wemby

[GB20]

Sochan at PG is a disaster.
Pop is really killing that guy confidence.

[TekXX]

You guys keep complaining again and again, that’s depressing… This team is young, just give them time or go watch something else.

They're in their mid 20's, just stop.

[tim_duncan_fan]

The players are bad, but they really don't know how to play. Pop isn't and haven't been teaching them anything. Van Gundy and co made a point of saying how the Thunder are young, but they know how to play. We aren't coaching the guys.


Didn't we draft Vassell and Sochan based on their defensive upside? They've been getting cooked all night

The "Vassell is great at defense" meme probably came from the same place that the "Vic handles like Kyrie" meme came from. Devin has never been laterally quick.

[tbdog]

At least Branham has shown he can put points up.

[CGD]

Jebus, no one on this team can initiate offense reliably.

[tbdog]

Man, we need a pg. You can feel we are missing 24 mins of Jones out there.

[spurraider21]

Probably safe to say that Vassell's rep as a defender was really just him being a system player in College. FSU was a well coached defense and made players look better than they were, considering how great Vassell's advanced numbers were there.
he was fine in his first 2 nba seasons

[Mugen]

Some really awesome developing from the guys tonight. Deliberately killing any chance they have at succeeding on the offensive end by not having a competent table setter really expedites them getting over themselves.

[$pursDynasty]

Some on this board like to call Keldon, Enrique and say get rid of him. Well the Spurs could sure use a HERO tonight.

[TimmyBuckets]

Sochan needs to defend and shoot 3s that’s it. Have any other guard be pg jeeeeez

[John B]

Need to make some stops

[CorrectCrusader]

Tf was the point in Bassey coming to help Vassell. Vassell was in a good spot and it just immediately led to an open 3. Bozo

[DAF86]

This is so disapointing to watch. Do they even practice? Do they even have a purpose to what they are trying to do out there? A pick-up game has more cohesion than whatever Pop is having these guys doing out there.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Can we get this shit to 40?

[BatManu20]

Most of these jump shots are barely drawing iron :lol

[Rocalcio]

They're in their mid 20's, just stop.

They’re the youngest team in the league, open your eyes…

[spurraider21]

branham just two steps slow on that rotation to Joe. he has to be moving toward him before the pass is made. these rotations have to be automatic, not just responding to the pass

at least vassell is competing out there

[tim_duncan_fan]

Some on this board like to call Keldon, Enrique and say get rid of him. Well the Spurs could sure use a HERO tonight.

AMEN!

[r0drig0lac]

this team sucks...Jesus

[Raven]

this got ugly

[CorrectCrusader]

This might be the worst basketball I've ever had the displeasure of watching.

[TekXX]

They’re the youngest team in the league, open your eyes…

OKC is the same age and they're kicking our ass, i'm tired of people using their collective age as an excuse for a badly put together team.

[thiste]

There were multiple people around him. They all matter because any of them could disrupt that play if the ball goes elsewhere

The others were way too far from the action to have any influence on the play. Proof:

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1724603944683323455

[Kurgan]

Probably safe to say that Vassell's rep as a defender was really just him being a system player in College. FSU was a well coached defense and made players look better than they were, considering how great Vassell's advanced numbers were there.

Spurs goofed taking Devin over Haliburton. There isn't a single thing Devin does better than him, even defense.

[BatManu20]

Spurs getting their shit pushed in on national television :lol. And still no adjustments by the old man. Inspiring.

[boutons_deux]

I don't think the spurs will lose by 40

But 30 is looking well within their reach

Come on boys, you can do it!

[John B]

I can't believe OKC is now winning after all that tanking and it worked for them.

[Dex]

Y'all can make up all the excuses you want, but this is straight up embarrassing. And this isn't the first time this has happened this season.

I will call a turd a turd when I see one.

Wemby may love San Antonio and Pop, but he didn't come to the NBA to get blown out by 30 every other game.

[TimDunkem]

This is so disapointing to watch. Do they even practice? Do they even have a purpose to what they are trying to do out there? A pick-up game has more cohesion than whatever Pop is having these guys doing out there.

No structure to the offense at all. It's mainly letting Sochan make decisions if Vassell can't get an open look. Wemby is occasionally given the ball for a bail out shot. It's tough to watch.

[rascal]

Spurs don't have the athleticism to even finish on a fast break.

[KDKSpurs24]

These bricks have been LAUGHABLE OMFG!!!! Soooo many horrible looking missed shots tonight!! I’m dying!!

[Rocalcio]

OKC is the same age and they're kicking our ass, i'm tired of people using their collective age as an excuse for a badly put together team.

No, they’re not.

[weebo]

This team can't defend, can't pass, can't shoot, can't rebound...am I missing something?

[tbdog]

OKC is the same age and they're kicking our ass, i'm tired of people using their collective age as an excuse for a badly put together team.
They also a 2 years ahead of us.

[tim_duncan_fan]

The media is going shove a hot poker so far about how Vic should have gone elsewhere.

[spurraider21]

They’re the youngest team in the league, open your eyes…
people here arent expecting the spurs to be a winning team making the playoffs

its the complete lack of competitiveness. falling behind by 20+ in the first half of many games

both sides of the ball are just a complete mess. like, what are the glimmers of hope that we see with most of this roster? even wemby is regularly struggling to be a factor in games because the team is just inept on both sides. and yes, the players are young and will make mistakes. but there isnt even a system in place. nobody seems to know what's happening on defense, whether it be halfcourt rotations let alone transition

[timtonymanu]

You guys keep complaining again and again, that’s depressing… This team is young, just give them time or go watch something else.

Well it’s the same strategy with disastrous results. We can keep going to it until it magically works I guess. But it’s clear the team has no plan.

[TimDunkem]

The others were way too far from the action to have any influence on the play. Proof:

https://twitter.com/NBA/status/1724603944683323455

Yep. Ball was definitely too low.

[TekXX]

LOL that one game when we thought Cedi Osman was a steal.

[Thomas82]

Sochan sucks dude holy shit

This is the kid we passed on Jalen Duren for? SMH

[spurs1990]

Spurs getting their shit pushed in on national television :lol. And still no adjustments by the old man. Inspiring.

Worst coach in the league

[onechance87]

just aint on the same page....gonna have to gut this team...Draft the best passing pg available..

[Proxy]

Feeling full on Mugen/Ducks about Pop with a game like this. The only players I’m enjoying watching are Cedí and Doug

[KDKSpurs24]

Ok I don’t care how early it is in the season.. this type of game is where changes MUST be made no matter what. Nobody’s role should be safe. When you’re playing like you have no heart, no basketball IQ you have to do something about it for a wake up call.

[TekXX]

LOL TNT announcers roasting Pop for no point guard.

[GB20]

Victor is having second thoughts about the spurs organization. The Spurs need to stop about this point guard experiment.

[Dverde]

This team can't defend, can't pass, can't shoot, can't rebound...am I missing something?

They also developed a system made not to include their best player, because they want to see how he plays in a system not designed for him.

[CorrectCrusader]

Tim Duncan wouldn't succeed with this structure

[FkLA]

Maybe Pop should stop letting them "freestyle" and start coaching again. These 30 point losses aren't doing Vic or anybody else any good.

[SPURt]

This is not as much fun as David Robinson or Tim Duncan’s first year was

[Kurgan]

This is so disapointing to watch. Do they even practice? Do they even have a purpose to what they are trying to do out there? A pick-up game has more cohesion than whatever Pop is having these guys doing out there.

Pop needs to step down and retire. He's too old for a job like this. Needs to be replaced with Bud.

[TimmyBuckets]

Leave it to Pop and the Spurs to disappoint on a TNT game.

[tbdog]

Must do some structure moves by this deadline.

[John B]

They were down 10pts at the half now it's 25

[Mugen]

Maybe Pop should stop letting them "freestyle" and start coaching again. These 30 point losses aren't doing Vic or anybody else any good.

Nah, just have to trust CIA Pop tbh. Some people said Pop was dumb for starting Bryn 82 games one year and now look at those haters.

[PhantomDashCam]

Spurs goofed taking Devin over Haliburton. There isn't a single thing Devin does better than him, even defense.

It’s starting to look like Maxey may have been the one when it’s all said and done.

[NASpurs]

Talk about going into a season with no direction and trying to get better at something.

I take it back, it's more of a "let's put turds together and let's see what happens" kind of season.

Oh well, high lottery pick again.

[timtonymanu]

I’m at that point with pop where if he keeps this up, I can no longer blame Nephew for bailing like he did.

You don’t have a generational player fall into your lap and you respond with… this crap.

[CorrectCrusader]

Why the FUCK does every spur explode into the paint when Wemby is RIGHT THERE. He doesn't need help blocking a guy a foot shorter than him! You just give up open threes EVERY FUCKING TIME

[spurraider21]

nobody rotates to shooters proactively. they double/collapse, and then just stand in place. you have to bust your ass and recover and not ONLY AFTER the pass has been made

broken record, i know, but it just keeps happening and its absurd at the nba level

[Dex]

Sochan "leading" the team with a -26 +/-....such a good experiment

[thiste]

There is something to be said about having some structure around you when you're in a new country, new league, new team, new people, etc... as a teenager.

[TekXX]

Talk about going into a season with no direction and trying to get better at something.

I take it back, it's more of a "let's put turds together and let's see what happens" kind of season.

Oh well, high lottery pick again.

Oh....um....we don't know what we have....even though that team only won 22 games....

[r0drig0lac]

lol

[CorrectCrusader]

BEAT HIS ASS ZACH

[TimDunkem]

Wemby's teammates never finish his best passes :(

[spursparker9]

Tim Duncan wouldn't succeed with this structure

Timmy would have gone to Orlando :lol

[lefty]

GETTING COOKED ��

[TheBallsbreakers]

Sheesh

[BatManu20]

Wemby just got hammered with no call and Pop didn’t move a muscle. No fire left in the old fart. Should’ve been ripping the ref a new asshole.

[Fizziksman]

I’m at that point with pop where if he keeps this up, I can no longer blame Nephew for bailing like he did.

You don’t have a generational player fall into your lap and you respond with… this crap.

Pop cared a little more when Nephew was around. Not being a playoff team for the past half a decade as killed Pop's devotion to the game.

[BackHome]

OKC is the same age and they're kicking our ass, i'm tired of people using their collective age as an excuse for a badly put together team.

OK tanked for hard for several years straight they slowly drafted talent and are pretty good at every position with a good bench. It is going to take more then one bad season to turn this ship around as we will need to hit on our picks and hopefully get a very good coach to replace Pop after he retires

[TimDunkem]

Wemby just got hammered with no call and Pop didn’t move a muscle. No fire left in the old fart. Should’ve been ripping the ref a new asshole.

Good point. Pop even just 5 years ago would've been following the ref and get himself ejected to fire the team up.

[TekXX]

Where's the technical on Collins, i don't see it.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Yall are funny right now, but the funniest shit was one of the announcers saying earlier that it was a raggedy game for the Spurs because OKC was making it that way. I thought,
"I can tell you guys don't watch our games."

[Dex]

Good point. Pop even just 5 years ago would've been following the ref and get himself ejected to fire the team up.

Getting the team fired up when you are down 25 in the 4th isn't worth 50K even on Pop's salary

[NASpurs]

OK tanked for hard for several years straight they slowly drafted talent and are pretty good at every position with a good bench. It is going to take more then one bad season to turn this ship around as we will need to hit on our picks and hopefully get a very good coach to replace Pop after he retires

I don't man, those picks have been more misses than hits. Doesn't give me confidence. :lol

[spurraider21]

sochan calling his own number and turning it over

oh yeah... im getting close... uuuug

[BatManu20]

Never seen so many bricks in my life than tonight. Literally every jump shot isn’t even close to going in. Some are barely drawing iron. Wild.

[TheBallsbreakers]

"Passes to the GUY WHO PROTECTED HIM"!
well that's emasculating hahahaha

[CorrectCrusader]

Refs just allow Victor to get whacked it's fucking ridiculous

[Dex]

Goddamn, just take the ball out of Sochan's hands.

[TimDunkem]

Getting fired the team fired up when you are down 25 in the 4th isn't worth 50K even on Pop's salary

Not the point. Pop is noticeably more reserved in these situations these days. Must be an age thing.

[CorrectCrusader]

Good point. Pop even just 5 years ago would've been following the ref and get himself ejected to fire the team up.

Basketball doesn't matter, people do and the ref is a person so Pop won't lay it out

[John B]

Who the fuck is this Champagnie that Spurs signed? He's not the same guy. fuck

[spursparker9]

Refs just allow Victor to get whacked it's fucking ridiculous

PAFTO have to send a complaint to the NBA. Lakers did that for LeBron too.

[Blizzardwizard]

I don't really understand how this whole "just observing and letting them play through mistakes" method is supposed to help things.

Maybe if Pop treated players like the adult professionals they are and got in their faces at timeouts for bad shots, not boxing out etc. instead of infantilizing them, players would actually get the message and we'd see fewer of the amateurish mistakes on both sides of the ball you wouldn't even expect to see at AAU level.

[cd98]

Wemby just got hammered with no call and Pop didn’t move a muscle. No fire left in the old fart. Should’ve been ripping the ref a new asshole.

Pop let Collins mete out some punishment in return.

[spursparker9]

Who the fuck is this Champagnie that Spurs signed? He's not the same guy. fuck

He got his contract. Mission accomplished.

[Kurgan]

Spurs are the only team in the league that would let a G-Leaguer like Champagne take nine shots in a game. This scrub is terrible

[CGD]

Who the fuck is this Champagnie that Spurs signed? He's not the same guy. fuck

He definitely seems to be playing himself out of the league.

[cd98]

Who the fuck is this Champagnie that Spurs signed? He's not the same guy. fuck

Summer league doesn't translate. He was a summer league superstar, but in the NBA, he's just not good enough right now.

[slick'81]

Our bench is complete shit

[TekXX]

Not the point. Pop is noticeably more reserved in these situations these days. Must be an age thing.

He's def aged, 70 something year old just doesn't have the fire.

[spurraider21]

wemby trying to dance on a guard :lol

wemby's ball handling is nice in the open court in transition, but that should be it, at this point. or sure, if he has a lead footed center defending him on the perimeter.

really disappointing that due in large part to the structure (or lack thereof) of this offense, his game has boiled down to an antoine walker impression

[spursparker9]

:lol I think the league should add in new option for team to just forfeit the game..

[rascal]

Who the fuck is this Champagnie that Spurs signed? He's not the same guy. fuck

People were too high on Champagnie.

[John B]

Wemby shouldn't be dribbling in traffic. His dribbles are soft and too high, plus he's gonna be shoved around

[thiste]

Who the fuck is this Champagnie that Spurs signed? He's not the same guy. fuck

Must be his twin brother?

[Mugen]

Vibes are immaculate tbh.

[NASpurs]

I'm really close to turning into a guy who only watches Wemby's youtube highlights for each game and check out until the next draft :lol I rather waste 3 hrs doing something else

[spurraider21]

Our bench is complete shit
starting lineup too

[cd98]

Will Spurs games get taken off national TV if the Spurs keep losing by 30+ points when they play on national television? I mean people do want to see Wemby, but this version is so bad that it gets unwatchable after a little while. Fans have to sit through some horrible defense and poor shot selection and ball movement and turnovers to get those Wemby highlights.

[freetiago]

Most of it has to do with having no one with any kind of skill set that requires a defense to collapse on them except Wemby but they can’t even capitalize on the doubles on the post since they can’t shoot

[John B]

People were too high on Champagnie.

He was playing great in off season, hitting 3's. What the guy chokes in real situations

[CorrectCrusader]

Any spurs fans in the arena that can throw a beer at pop so he gets the message and retires?

[tim_duncan_fan]

They went away from the greatest prospect of all time's game because his team was too disinterested to dream of how to use him lol

[Chinook]

Honestly if this were any other coach than Pop, I wouldn't feel confident they'd survive the season. I'm even starting to suspect that Pop "steps down" within the next year. There just isn't a single thing you can point to him doing well right now. The scheme sucks, the game plans suck, the chemistry sucks. Pop doesn't deserve to keep his job right now, even though he will have it as long as he wants it.

[TekXX]

Wemby isn't blameless, dude has so much work to do.

[cd98]

Glad they are giving Graham minutes. He makes way more sense than Champagnie.

[spursparker9]

This has turn ugly...

[cd98]

NBA said the Spurs game was not worth broadcasting when you can watch 76ers and Pacers.

[CorrectCrusader]

W flagrant from Sochan, Pop this is your fault lmao he can't do anything right because he isn't put in a spot to succeed. This is what happens.

[AusSpur]

Not great that the guy we have playing PG has virtually no idea how to get the ball to Wemby.

[cd98]

Best part of the game with the "fight"

[buttsR4rebounding]

This horseshit strategy of playing no PG and letting Wemby play like it's the YMCA is unwatchable. You can't tell me the coaching staff is learning anything about who can play with Wemby when it hardly resembles organized basketball.

[Fizziksman]

Not great that the guy we have playing PG has virtually no idea how to get the ball to Wemby.

or to anyone really.

[TekXX]

We were so bad we forced TNT to go somewhere else.

[John B]

Man TNT stopped showing the Spurs :lol

[TheBallsbreakers]

Wemby is literally ALL ALOOOOONE under the basket and Sochan chooses to pass to another player.
Madness.

[Pauleta14]

wemby is really unlucky to end up with the Spurs

Worst possible place in NBA

No PG
No Veteran
No Allstars

bunch of overpaid scrubs

[baseline bum]

ROFL at the Spurs already losing their national TV game

[CGD]

Man these courts are waaayy too busy.

[Dex]

Sochan is straight up frustrated. He has given up on several plays once he gets beat, and now his just swiping at people.

Some players can thrive under this pressure. Parker did.

Sochan ain't it y'all

[rascal]

He was playing great in off season, hitting 3's. What the guy chokes in real situations

I told you don't count on it. Real season is a new game.

[spursparker9]

This horseshit strategy of playing no PG and letting Wemby play like it's the YMCA is unwatchable. You can't tell me the coaching staff is learning anything about who can play with Wemby when it hardly resembles organized basketball.

:lol Pop forgetting that this is the NBA league...Not division III league in some Air Force. You can't survive in the NBA league without a solid PG

[FkLA]

I'm really close to turning into a guy who only watches Wemby's youtube highlights for each game and check out until the next draft :lol I rather waste 3 hrs doing something else

I'm regretting dishing out the money for the Bally Sports+ season pass after those promising first few games, tbh.

[baseline bum]

Enough of this letting them play bullshit Pop. Coach the fucking team.

[cd98]

Even the team down by 19 is better than watching the Spurs.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Most of it has to do with having no one with any kind of skill set that requires a defense to collapse on them except Wemby but they can’t even capitalize on the doubles on the post since they can’t shoot

And since he doesn't post often.

And since they don't pass it to him when he does post lol.

[CorrectCrusader]

lol that shot wouldn't count of course

[baseline bum]

Man TNT stopped showing the Spurs :lol

Pre-empted to show a game with Dallas down 20 to NOP. Ouch.

[rascal]

Spurs are so bad TNT switched off their game.

[Floyd Pacquiao]

wemby is really unlucky to end up with the Spurs

Worst possible place in NBA

No PG
No Veteran
No Allstars

bunch of overpaid scrubs
Coached by the worst coach in the nba

[jeebus]

Sochan is straight up frustrated. He has given up on several plays once he gets beat, and now his just swiping at people.

Some players can thrive under this pressure. Parker did.

Sochan ain't it y'all

Tony had vets he could turn to. Sochan has Dougie McTurnovers.

[SPURt]

I’ve never seen TNT give up :lol

[John B]

That was it.. TNT stopped showing the Spurs :lmao

[baseline bum]

lol that shot wouldn't count of course

Where are you seeing the game? :lol

[aissagholi7981]

Anybody complaining is delusional. The plan is to get a top 3 pick then go for it. You really think the Spurs care about guys on Spurstalk with their opinions? Lol. Take the losses, get a top 3 pick and let’s roll.

[Dex]

38 points down, and counting.

Don't tell me this is just "experimenting and letting them develop"

You can't develop when you are getting curb-stomped.

exstatic

[jeebus]

Enough of this letting them play bullshit Pop. Coach the fucking team.

Pop has to get over himself first

[TimDunkem]

Wow. I don't remember the last time TNT switched games like this. They've aired many stinkers from start to finish before too.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Sochan outdoes himself yet again.

[baseline bum]

I’ve never seen TNT give up :lol

Barkley's gonna be talking so much shit and Shaq's gonna start on his Bol Bol crap :lol

[cd98]

This switch to the Pacer 76ers game feels like when they turn off the scoreboard at the YMCA games when the route becomes embarassing.

[jeebus]

38 points down, and counting.

Don't tell me this is just "experimenting and letting them develop"

exstatic (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=20)

Is that what he said? Dude is a Jeff Errors apologist.

[TekXX]

TNT was like we have standards, we can't show this shit.

[John B]

I’ve never seen TNT give up :lol

Networks might stop showing the Spurs they signed for :lol

[sananspursfan21]

Yeah I’d stop showing them too. I don’t even think the last couple renditions of the Spurs got destroyed this consistently. This is horrible.

[Pauleta14]

You can't notice straight away but Sochan is really an idiot

[cd98]

Sochan getting back for the Wemby hack.

[baseline bum]

Dirty fucking foul from Sochan

[Fizziksman]

Sochan only use is trying to injure other teams players for future matchups

[tim_duncan_fan]

40!
LET'S FUCKING GOOOO!

[TimDunkem]

You can't notice straight away but Sochan is really an idiot

He has made room temp IQ decisions this game. It's uncanny. He might legitimately be dumb.

[thiste]

That was it.. TNT stopped showing the Spurs :lmao

They're protecting their asset (Wemby). Better that way honestly.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Anybody complaining is delusional. The plan is to get a top 3 pick then go for it. You really think the Spurs care about guys on Spurstalk with their opinions? Lol. Take the losses, get a top 3 pick and let’s roll.
And that Top 3 pick will be a key contributor to a winning team in what? 3 or 4 years? By which time Wemby's contract is up, and he'll be a RFA with a good possibility of being dissatisfied and looking for another team.
Brilliant plan there, hoss.

[CorrectCrusader]

Where are you seeing the game? :lol

streaming lol I ain't paying for shit

[cd98]

Spurs are getting the WNBA treatment. They are on TV because they have to be on TV.

[PhantomDashCam]

Sochan is straight up frustrated. He has given up on several plays once he gets beat, and now his just swiping at people.

Some players can thrive under this pressure. Parker did.

Sochan ain't it y'all

I agree with this for the most part but not the Parker comparison.

Tony always thought of himself as one, Sochan didn't.
Tony always played with the ball in his hands, Sochan didn't.

[TheBallsbreakers]

Adios, amigos. Gotta get used to the pain.... again.
Onto the next one, because we're sad masochists aren't we?

[TekXX]

Champ making shots when game is out of hand

[Barfunk]

Suxxxxx

[John B]

Champagnie now hitting when it doesn't matter anymore.. geez

[spursparker9]

Better get the number 1 pick again

[cd98]

Wow what does it tell us when every team we play is having their best shooting night of the season?

[CorrectCrusader]

Anybody complaining is delusional. The plan is to get a top 3 pick then go for it. You really think the Spurs care about guys on Spurstalk with their opinions? Lol. Take the losses, get a top 3 pick and let’s roll.

Ahhh the 76ers method, That worked so well for them

[jeebus]

Can't wait for the parade of B and C scores for the team tonight. It still hurts.

[deanoden]

Ownership needs to get involved here. This is embarrassing

[baseline bum]

How fucking embarrassed must Phoenix be blowing a 20 point lead at home to these scrubs?

[cd98]

Champagnie now hitting when it doesn't matter anymore.. geez

He's playing against the guys on SL in garbage time.

[TDomination]

three 40pt losses in 11 games??

losing 6 in a row.

seriously, we need to pull the plug on Sochan as PG. you can't just waste an entire season and then finally realize "oh, i guess it didnt work"
no, its obviously not a good fit.

they are trying to force something that is not there.

[Seventyniner]

I wonder if any team in NBA history has ever lost 3 of their first 11 games by 40+. I don't know how to look that up.

[KDKSpurs24]

Anybody complaining is delusional. The plan is to get a top 3 pick then go for it. You really think the Spurs care about guys on Spurstalk with their opinions? Lol. Take the losses, get a top 3 pick and let’s roll.
That was not the plan dude.. stop lying to yourself. These dudes are trying to win. Just not good enough. It shows in their play. They have no clue what they’re doing out there.

[spurs10]

I have watched TNT NBA basketball for decades it seems and have never witnessed them just to stop showing the game. Now I quit on the Spurs before TNT, but thought I'd check in to see how big of a blowout was going down. Looks like SGA could have beat this team by himself..

[Mugen]

What's important is that they stay the course and make sure that there are no coaching/gameplan adjustments whatsoever after this one. That wouldn't be fair tbh.

[TekXX]

Can't wait for the parade of B and C scores for the team tonight. It still hurts.

At what point is he going to hand out F's because they are warranted. Enough of B's when we have a 20 point blowout.

[John B]

Man I miss Derrick right now as my PG

[spurraider21]

Wemby isn't blameless, dude has so much work to do.
he's not, but it also shouldnt be incumbent on a 19 year old rookie to fix... whatever the fuck this is

[Kurgan]

Spurs front office not looking very reliable. Primo over Sengun. Vassell over Haliburton. Sochan over anybody.

[FkLA]

Can't networks flex out of future national TV games? Maybe Pop will get the fucking message if networks drop their national TV games. Idk who the duck told him being completely non-competitive is part of the process.

[spurs10]

How fucking embarrassed must Phoenix be blowing a 20 point lead at home to these scrubs? Yeah I was thinking the same.

[spurraider21]

People were too high on Champagnie.
who cares. he's basically on a 1 year contract, and isnt even in the rotation unless there are injuries. champagnie's roster spot is far from the problem my man :lol

[buttsR4rebounding]

Man I miss Derrick right now as my PG

I miss Haliburton.

[AusSpur]

or to anyone really.

True that.

When Graham came on you could finally see what it was like for a pg to cross half court and comfortably pass it to a teammate without any stress.

Not totally against the Sochan PG experiment, just cannot understand why it can't be something built up in small increments, rather than forcing it all game every game to 40 point losses.

[spursparker9]

three 40pt losses in 11 games??

losing 6 in a row.

seriously, we need to pull the plug on Sochan as PG. you can't just waste an entire season and then finally realize "oh, i guess it didnt work"
no, its obviously not a good fit.

they are trying to force something that is not there.


:lol Pop playing Sochan out of the league...

Some genius coach like Brad Stevens was able to hide the defensive liability of Isiash Thomas and make him a MVP candidate...but arguably GOAT coach Pop is deliberately exposing all liability of his 2nd year player and making him basically maybe untradeable even for a 2nd round pick.

[John B]

Fucking Champagnie can shoot when it doesn't matter

[cd98]

Spurs have a pass this year because they got Wemby. They are going to get another lottery pick and will draft the best point guard in next year's draft. If they wanted to win this year, just needed to sign 3 or 4 veterans. There were guys available to win in free agency if that was the goal. Plainly they want to suck, get a low draft pick, see what they got and then trade players/picks to upgrade the roster next year.

[TekXX]

Can't networks flex out of future national TV games? Maybe Pop will get the fucking message if networks drop their national TV games. Idk who the duck told him being completely non-competitive is part of the process.

Yea they might show another game if things get bad enough or they might show it because Wemby is still a phenom. I doubt Pop cares but i bet the ownership does.

[spurraider21]

Anybody complaining is delusional. The plan is to get a top 3 pick then go for it. You really think the Spurs care about guys on Spurstalk with their opinions? Lol. Take the losses, get a top 3 pick and let’s roll.
the spurs managed to get the #1 pick last year without looking like this

[Kawhi Duncan]

Wemby isn't blameless, dude has so much work to do.

He is literally not being coached, and not being put in beneficial situations on offense

[scott]

What's the point of all of this, really?

Starting to finally join the "Pop is washed" bandwagon.

[Leetonidas]

Fucking embarrassing

[TDomination]

Man I miss Derrick right now as my PG
Man I was just telling my buddy that.
derrick here right now would be wonderful.

[John B]

I think Sochan has that Charles Barkeley attitude

[Kawhi Duncan]

Sochan is straight up frustrated. He has given up on several plays once he gets beat, and now his just swiping at people.

Some players can thrive under this pressure. Parker did.

Sochan ain't it y'all

Pop wasn't playing Parker at PF

[baseline bum]

When you're Phil Jackson and have a team full of vets you can let them figure it out. When you have a team of guys 19-22 how the fuck are they supposed to figure it out?

[John B]

Man I was just telling my buddy that.
derrick here right now would be wonderful.

He would certainly made a big difference setting and finding people

[DAF86]

Anybody complaining is delusional. The plan is to get a top 3 pick then go for it. You really think the Spurs care about guys on Spurstalk with their opinions? Lol. Take the losses, get a top 3 pick and let’s roll.

Nobody is expecting to win. We just want competitive games and the team not playing like the worst pick-up basketball team of all-time. We want some semblence of organization and designed plays. Losing by 40 pts every game takes its toll on a fanbase and the players. This is beyond pathetic and shouldn't be acceptable at all.

The worst part is that all of this is self inflected harm by our HoF coach. I seriously think any other coach on the NBA (and not in the NBA too) could have this group of players playing way better than this.

[Death In June]

Just canceled Bally Sports. Not going to pay for this product. We’ll see you next year.

[Proxy]

Sochan and Keldon doing this bs where they put their head down and drive from the top of the key, miss open players, and get blocked… shit has to stop. Then Wemby getting the ball with two defenders on him and no positioning to do anything but take a bad shot… that isn’t “Sochan learning PG”

[John B]

This team certainly have a lot of target, just not the PG to find people. I know I said be patient, but at some point Wemby would benefit from good plays of a true PG nstead of this.

[diego]

Spurs badly need a veteran guard that can organize the team on both ends.. even if just to mentor the young guys. So many PGs moved around this summer, it was a mistake to not get one of them even if only for a year... Getting beat like this is the opposite of development, you can already see the frustration is getting out of control. Options will be more limited and prices higher now but hopefully the spurs can bring someone in ASAP

[TekXX]

I must admit i knew this team would be bad because the Spurs made no moves with a 22 win game roster but i thought they'd coach up Wemby more with their knowledge of what works and what doesn't in the NBA but it looks like their just going to let Wemby figure it out and yea he's getting a lesson.

[TimDunkem]

People are really convincing themselves multiple 40 point losses is somehow normal, even for a young team. :lol

[KobesAchilles]

I need ex to come in here and tell me that the course is for us to be blown out by 40+ points a game. That the course is for us to have a shitshow for a PG and the course is for us to be historically bad defensively. Losing is one thing but getting the brakes beat off of us over and over again is embarrassing.

PATFO is to blame for this. They arrogantly believed they didn’t need vets. The arrogantly believed that they didn’t need a PG and they arrogantly believe that they don’t need to coach Wemby on his first 10 games. Shit sounds so stupid. It’s literally the 3 worst things you could do and they did all 3.

[John B]

who cares. he's basically on a 1 year contract, and isnt even in the rotation unless there are injuries. champagnie's roster spot is far from the problem my man :lol

I wish Stanley Johnson now instead of Champagnie. Stanley has some meanness with him

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Just canceled Bally Sports. Not going to pay for this product. We’ll see you next year.

LOL

[Mugen]

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[Kawhi Duncan]

three 40pt losses in 11 games??

losing 6 in a row.

seriously, we need to pull the plug on Sochan as PG. you can't just waste an entire season and then finally realize "oh, i guess it didnt work"
no, its obviously not a good fit.

they are trying to force something that is not there.

Good luck getting Pop to admit he was wrong and make changes... Same guy who started Bryn Forbes for multiple seasons

[NASpurs]

Can't wait for the parade of B and C scores for the team tonight. It still hurts.

:lol the dude is spineless to give anything less than a D

Get blown out by 40 but the grades still average a B+

[onechance87]

this team has no iq,no talent,No passion...

[TimDunkem]

:lol the dude is spineless to give anything less than a D

Get blown out by 40 but the grades still average a B+

People still read that homer shit?

[John B]

Spurs badly need a veteran guard that can organize the team on both ends.. even if just to mentor the young guys. So many PGs moved around this summer, it was a mistake to not get one of them even if only for a year... Getting beat like this is the opposite of development, you can already see the frustration is getting out of control. Options will be more limited and prices higher now but hopefully the spurs can bring someone in ASAP

Right now old George Hill would be good addition.

[Dex]

This team certainly have a lot of target, just not the PG to find people. I know I said be patient, but at some point Wemby would benefit from good plays of a true PG nstead of this.

Yep. I'd argue that this style of play and lack of structure is actually just stifling Wemby's development.

Instead of learning how to play good, fundamental basketball...he is stuck with a "PG" who can't dribble or pass him the ball and a team that currently has the worst point differential in the NBA by a WIDE margin.

[Mugen]

People are really convincing themselves multiple 40 point losses is somehow normal, even for a young team. :lol

Nah, playing some of the worst basketball in the history of the association is critical for their development. You're just a hater tbh.

[TDomination]

Just canceled Bally Sports. Not going to pay for this product. We’ll see you next year.
Good

if spurs sports and entertainment starts seeing a reduction in their product, Bally unsubscriptions, less people at games after an exciting energetic opening night, after getting a phenom in Wemby, this might actually get them to tell Pop to actually do something to change things.
i doubt it but possible.

[spurs1990]

Three 37 + point defeats for Pop in 11 games. And nary a single tough media question of him shall be asked

[Kawhi Duncan]

True that.

When Graham came on you could finally see what it was like for a pg to cross half court and comfortably pass it to a teammate without any stress.

Not totally against the Sochan PG experiment, just cannot understand why it can't be something built up in small increments, rather than forcing it all game every game to 40 point losses.

He doesn't need to play PG ever... Giddey is an amazing passer and he doesn't play PG for the Thunder... You don't HAVE to play PG to develop passing skills and IQ

[John B]

Man Clippers will be handed another loss tonight with Harden :hungry:

[Davidicus]

The GOOD
- Devontae Graham is a point guard
- TNT putting us all out of our misery

The BAD
- none

The UGLY
- We are all ‘observing’ Victor play without a real PG. So much fun! Very high team TOs without a real PG isnt necessarily surprising, but doesn’t alleviate the pain in watching.
- Suicidal Sochan. This dude’s confidence is sliding down an icy roof without any glimmers of hope as games go on.
- I agree with Chuck, Vassell takes I’ll advised shots. But so does everyone on this team. He’ll figure it out in time.
- Doug was a cigarette butt out there. Just awful.

OVERALL very interested to see where this school bus with no brakes ends up in the next few weeks. They are definitely learning from their mistakes, sheesh. They have to. Something’s gotta give, and it’s not a mid season trade for a PG if anyone has any delusions of grandeur.

[rascal]

who cares. he's basically on a 1 year contract, and isnt even in the rotation unless there are injuries. champagnie's roster spot is far from the problem my man :lol

That's not the point. People here were high on Champagnie. I wasn't sold on him contributing.

[Mugen]

Yep. I'd argue that this style of play and lack of structure is actually just stifling Wemby's development.

Instead of learning how to play good, fundamental basketball...he is stuck with a "PG" who can't dribble or pass him the ball and a team that currently has the worst point differential in the NBA by a WIDE margin.

Don't forget the added bonus of also fucking over Jeremy and Devin's development as well. But it's really important that Jeremy learn some PG skills for whatever fucking reason tbh

[spurraider21]

People are really convincing themselves multiple 40 point losses is somehow normal, even for a young team. :lol
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[BacktoBasics]

Just canceled Bally Sports. Not going to pay for this product. We’ll see you next year.

So you canceled something you can’t get a refund for. Basically you didn’t cancel anything you simply selected to not renew a subscription that is likely not available next year due to their bankruptcy.

You sure fucking showed them.

[John B]

I can't believe Westbrook is no longer getting scapegoat treatment, now blame is all on Harden :lol

[spurraider21]

Dirty fucking foul from Sochan
most productive thing he did today

[weebo]

Man, I feel bad for the people that pay to watch this garbage. They're young, they're learning, trying to figure things out etc...but wow man this is unacceptable. Getting blown out is one thing but getting blown out every other game because you can't even play anything remotely resembling an NBA team is just horrible.

[superbigtime]

Truly awful

[itzsoweezee]

This team is worse than last year. That’s quite an achievement by popovich

[playbonner15]

The GOOD
- Devontae Graham is a point guard



Agree 1st play was lob it to Wemby like a good pg will do

[LaMarcus Bryant]

I laughed when they just turned us off and showed other games

[spursparker9]

I can't believe Westbrook is no longer getting scapegoat treatment, now blame is all on Harden :lol

Westbrick get the pass for holding the forte during last playoffs when Nephew and Playoff Pee were injured. Also, Clippers started strong with Westbrick in the lineup before the Harden trade.

And now we look at Harden's history...changing 4 teams in the last 4 years? Obviously he is the problem.

[sananspursfan21]

Yeah I’m pretty sure I’m canceling League Pass. Not sure I did it this soon even last year

[FkLA]

I don't think there's many actual PGs that would do well in this situation. I wouldn't wish this shit on my boy DWhite.

[TekXX]

Three 37 + point defeats for Pop in 11 games. And nary a single tough media question of him shall be asked

The San Antonio media is very obedient, this is not New York where they are going to blast Pop

[spursparker9]

The GOOD
- Devontae Graham is a point guard
- TNT putting us all out of our misery

The BAD
- none

The UGLY
- We are all ‘observing’ Victor play without a real PG. So much fun! Very high team TOs without a real PG isnt necessarily surprising, but doesn’t alleviate the pain in watching.
- Suicidal Sochan. This dude’s confidence is sliding down an icy roof without any glimmers of hope as games go on.
- I agree with Chuck, Vassell takes I’ll advised shots. But so does everyone on this team. He’ll figure it out in time.
- Doug was a cigarette butt out there. Just awful.

OVERALL very interested to see where this school bus with no brakes ends up in the next few weeks. They are definitely learning from their mistakes, sheesh. They have to. Something’s gotta give, and it’s not a mid season trade for a PG if anyone has any delusions of grandeur.

Add "Champaigne is a scrub and not a NBA level player to the Ugly as well.

[baseline bum]

most productive thing he did today

Pop is destroying a once promising prospect with this retarded experiment. God I was so excited to see what Jeremy was going to bring this season but he got put into a can't win position. Can't imagine how frustrated he is and I hope we don't lose him for good here. Pop needs to pull his head out his ass or Sochan is going to demand a trade and someone will get a steal with the minimal trade value he has right now.

[aissagholi7981]

And that Top 3 pick will be a key contributor to a winning team in what? 3 or 4 years? By which time Wemby's contract is up, and he'll be a RFA with a good possibility of being dissatisfied and looking for another team.
Brilliant plan there, hoss.

go look up the average age on the last 20 championship teams. You think we’re gonna win the chip in a year or two? lol cmon little man.

[TekXX]

Pop is destroying a once promising prospect with this retarded experiment. God I was so excited to see what Jeremy was going to bring this season but he got put into a can't win position. Can't imagine how frustrated he is and I hope we don't lose him for good here. Pop needs to pull his head out his ass or Sochan is going to demand a trade and someone will get a steal with the minimal trade value he has right now.

Sochan can demand a trade, i'm not sure what he does well tbh.

[Mugen]

Pop is destroying a once promising prospect with this retarded experiment. God I was so excited to see what Jeremy was going to bring this season but he got put into a can't win position. Can't imagine how frustrated he is and I hope we don't lose him for good here. Pop needs to pull his head out his ass or Sochan is going to demand a trade and someone will get a steal with the minimal trade value he has right now.

I'd love it. The spin from the Sniff Crew would be worth it alone tbh :lol

[BacktoBasics]

I can't believe Westbrook is no longer getting scapegoat treatment, now blame is all on Harden :lol

I’ve long criticized Brick and his attitude but honestly he was looking pretty good until Harden arrived. He really seemed to be playing within his game instead of running around looking for stats to accumulate. Hard to say how the Clips will look in 2-3 months but it’s a mess right now.

[spurraider21]

Pop is destroying a once promising prospect with this retarded experiment. God I was so excited to see what Jeremy was going to bring this season but he got put into a can't win position. Can't imagine how frustrated he is and I hope we don't lose him for good here. Pop needs to pull his head out his ass or Sochan is going to demand a trade and someone will get a steal with the minimal trade value he has right now.
its bigger than that. he's not just fucking over sochan. he's fucking over the whole club because we dont have a functional offense. how can we really "see what we have" and see how our which of our bits and pieces fit with wemby if this is the environment they're in? whats the point of a wait and see year if its too murky to see anything at all