Game Thread: Spurs (3-7) at Thunder (6-4) November 14, 2023 | 6:30 P.M. CT

[Mugen]

Sochan can demand a trade, i'm not sure what he does well tbh.

He's literally been sabotaged by his over the hill coach that's been playing him out of position. It's like if the old fuck decided to play TP at C and you complained that he's not a good enough interior defender :lol

[rascal]

Sochan lost his position to Wemby.

He either goes to the bench or gets packaged in a trade.

[spurs10]

Pop is destroying a once promising prospect with this retarded experiment. God I was so excited to see what Jeremy was going to bring this season but he got put into a can't win position. Can't imagine how frustrated he is and I hope we don't lose him for good here. Pop needs to pull his head out his ass or Sochan is going to demand a trade and someone will get a steal with the minimal trade value he has right now. Can he ask for trade now? If so I won't be shocked.

[DAF86]

Sochan can demand a trade, i'm not sure what he does well tbh.

At his position? A lot of things, actually. It's not his fault the worst coach in the NBA is forcing him to play out of position.

[diego]

The GOOD
- Devontae Graham is a point guard
- TNT putting us all out of our misery

The BAD
- none

The UGLY
- We are all ‘observing’ Victor play without a real PG. So much fun! Very high team TOs without a real PG isnt necessarily surprising, but doesn’t alleviate the pain in watching.
- Suicidal Sochan. This dude’s confidence is sliding down an icy roof without any glimmers of hope as games go on.
- I agree with Chuck, Vassell takes I’ll advised shots. But so does everyone on this team. He’ll figure it out in time.
- Doug was a cigarette butt out there. Just awful.

OVERALL very interested to see where this school bus with no brakes ends up in the next few weeks. They are definitely learning from their mistakes, sheesh. They have to. Something’s gotta give, and it’s not a mid season trade for a PG if anyone has any delusions of grandeur.

When I said spurs need a PG, I don't mean to contend or even reach the playoffs, I mean just to settle the rest down and keep the score respectable. All of your ""ugly" points are directly related to being weak/thin at the pg spot, Ill give pop the benefit of the doubt that he thought sochan could handle it but it's clear he can't.. if this continues everyone is going to be running for the doors out, losing for development is fine but getting destroyed only develops resentment and frustration

[BacktoBasics]

When I said spurs need a PG, I don't mean to contend or even reach the playoffs, I mean just to settle the rest down and keep the score respectable. All of your ""ugly" points are directly related to being weak/thin at the pg spot, Ill give pop the benefit of the doubt that he thought sochan could handle it but it's clear he can't.. if this continues everyone is going to be running for the doors out, losing for development is fine but getting destroyed only develops resentment and frustration
This is a lot more level headed and rational than the dumbfucks calling Pop the worst coach in the league.

[hoopdreams11]

I think Sochan has that Charles Barkeley attitude

Too bad he doesn’t have his skills or desire

[timtonymanu]

Fire Pop! Fire Pop! Fire Pop!

[scott]

We would have been better off getting the 5th pick and putting Ausar Thompson through the normal rookie treatment. At least that might have forced Pop to attempt to coach.

[slick'81]

The sit back and watch wemby show continues

[DAF86]

This is a lot more level headed and rational than the dumbfucks calling Pop the worst coach in the league.

He's pretty clearly the worst coach on the league right now. I can't think of any other coach that is sabotaging his own team as blatantly as Pop is doing right now.

-No other coach would have Sochan playing PG.
-No other coach would have Wemby aimlessly wandering around the perimeter 90% of the time.
-No other coach would have no set plays for their franchise player.
-No other coach would have these weird ass rotations that make no sense.

[stephen jackson]

Only we can fuck up a wet dream classic spurs

[Death In June]

So you canceled something you can’t get a refund for. Basically you didn’t cancel anything you simply selected to not renew a subscription that is likely not available next year due to their bankruptcy.

You sure fucking showed them.It’s a 20 dollar per month subscription. Cancelling and not renewing are the same thing. It’s splitting hairs, but either way, I don’t care if they feel it and I don’t feel like I “showed them.” I like the organization. Just airing my dissatisfaction with the entertainment value of the team, on the Spurs forum, you know, where the venting goes.

[rascal]

We would have been better off getting the 5th pick and putting Ausar Thompson through the normal rookie treatment. At least that might have forced Pop to attempt to coach.

Spurs needed to jump in on that Duren trade like Detroit did. I can't believe it only cost them two lottery protected firsts. Spurs had enough to get that done.

Spurs fo is to blame for this team's construction. They did nothing to bring in additional talent after they landed Wemby.

The front office played it super conservative with the thought of let's just see what we have and most in this forum were on board with that thinking and now are compalining when they see the product on the floor.

[Pauleta14]

Spurs neeed to trade either Sochan or Wemby ASAP.

[PhantomDashCam]

I was firmly on the Sochan 'PG' bandwagon to start the year.
I believe now I may unwittingly be in 'Thelma and Louise' territory...

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[Davidicus]

When I said spurs need a PG, I don't mean to contend or even reach the playoffs, I mean just to settle the rest down and keep the score respectable. All of your ""ugly" points are directly related to being weak/thin at the pg spot, Ill give pop the benefit of the doubt that he thought sochan could handle it but it's clear he can't.. if this continues everyone is going to be running for the doors out, losing for development is fine but getting destroyed only develops resentment and frustration

Yup. 11 games in now and all Spurs fans across all social media are starting to ask the question if the Sochan experiment is inhibiting growth of every individual player, vs creating new possibilities for team basketball. You can see it on Sochan’s face that he doesn’t believe he can do it. This is what I was afraid of when the off-season ended and we all realized that we have a total of 1 backup PG on our roster; what does that offense look like. It looks like this!

[BacktoBasics]

He's pretty clearly the worst coach on the league right now. I can't think of any other coach that is sabotaging his own team as blatantly as Pop is doing right now.

-No other coach would have Sochan playing PG.
-No other coach would have Wemby aimlessly wandering around the perimeter 90% of the time.
-No other coach would have no set plays for their franchise player.
-No other coach would have these weird ass rotations that make no sense.
This is such a disingenuous take. He’s not blatantly sabotaging his team. With that said I don’t like the experiment either but it’s not like we’re 30 games in. One thing that I wouldn’t want to see is us tossing assets around aimlessly trying to fill the pg void with questionable trades.

If I had to take a pragmatic guess I’d say they’ll look hard at the trade landscape closer to the deadline as things become more workable the closer you get to the deadline.

Even adding an all star probably wouldn’t propel us deep into the playoffs so it makes little sense to plug holes with secondary players simply to make things more aesthetically pleasing to people like you.

We’re not ringing this year. So let’s not leverage the house out of the gate by making desperation trades.

[heyheymymy]

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[BacktoBasics]

It’s a 20 dollar per month subscription. Cancelling and not renewing are the same thing. It’s splitting hairs, but either way, I don’t care if they feel it and I don’t feel like I “showed them.” I like the organization. Just airing my dissatisfaction with the entertainment value of the team, on the Spurs forum, you know, where the venting goes.

I’d never quit on my team after 10 games. I also wouldn’t pay monthly if the subscription saves me money as an annual buy but I get your point.

Win or lose I’ll watch my team.

[Mugen]

This is such a disingenuous take. He’s not blatantly sabotaging his team. With that said I don’t like the experiment either but it’s not like we’re 30 games in. One thing that I wouldn’t want to see is us tossing assets around aimlessly trying to fill the pg void with questionable trades.

If I had to take a pragmatic guess I’d say they’ll look hard at the trade landscape closer to the deadline as things become more workable the closer you get to the deadline.

Even adding an all star probably wouldn’t propel us deep into the playoffs so it makes little sense to plug holes with secondary players simply to make things more aesthetically pleasing to people like you.

We’re not ringing this year. So let’s not leverage the house out of the gate.

Nobody is asking for a swing the fences trade :lol

People literally just want more than 1 competent PG on the roster.

[offset formation]

Man Clippers will be handed another loss tonight with Harden :hungry:

Quickly becoming my favorite side topic of the season. We are clearly gonna suck but so long as neph and gang sputter with 4 sure fire HOFers, I'm good. Lakers being mid at the end of Brons career is icing on the cake.

[SAGirl]

Honestly if this were any other coach than Pop, I wouldn't feel confident they'd survive the season. I'm even starting to suspect that Pop "steps down" within the next year. There just isn't a single thing you can point to him doing well right now. The scheme sucks, the game plans suck, the chemistry sucks. Pop doesn't deserve to keep his job right now, even though he will have it as long as he wants it.

Puts in perspective what Becky, Messina and the other veteran coaches he had were doing, probably some heavy lifting in terms of schemes…. I haven’t watched for the past couple years bc I am not subscribing to NBA league pass to watch a bad spurs team lead a tankathon but this season they are showing on national tv so I am finally watching them again.

It’s fairly obvious they don’t have a talented guard that they can play off of. I know they had hopes with Primo, but b4 taking “IT” out he didn’t seem like that guy to me either.

They need a talented guard like the desert needs water, but besides that, and specially if you don’t have that, you at least need an offensive system.. problem is that those are built around stars and Spurs don’t have one. Wemby can already do some things really well but he’s too light to dominate specially if you don’t look for him early, as soon as he grabs position… meaning you have to look for him all the time and only if he’s doubled pass to whoever is open… seems easy to say, but alas… I don’t know offensively what actions they are running.

[BacktoBasics]

Nobody is asking for a swing the fences trade :lol

People literally just want more than 1 competent PG on the roster.

There’s really not a lot out there unless you want to part with a 1st. At least not this early. I don’t even mind a hard swing if it’s worth it. No ones selling this early though.

At this point the experiment really just buys a little time… at the expense of internet peril. I suppose.

But to take your point seriously why would we give up a 1st for a “competent pg”? When the pick really carries more value at the trade deadline if not the offseason.

I don’t want to look better on paper at the expense of all this draft capital we’ve accumulated. Especially if we’re not that close to the right side of the playoff picture.

Just look at the team that we played tonight. They didn’t build that slightly better than mediocre squad in one season. It’s like 3 years in the making.

[Mugen]

There’s really not a lot out there unless you want to part with a 1st. At least not this early. I don’t even mind a hard swing if it’s worth it. No ones selling this early though.

At this point the experiment really just buys a little time… at the expense of internet peril. I suppose.

But to take your point seriously why would we give up a 1st for a “competent pg”? When the pick really carries more value at the trade deadline if not the offseason.

I don’t want to look better on paper at the expense of all this draft capital we’ve accumulated. Especially if we’re not that close to the right side of the playoff picture.

Just look at the team that we played tonight. They didn’t build that slightly better than mediocre squad in one season. It’s like 3 years in the making.

Again, I'm not saying they part with their '24 first rounder for a PG. Even the "not a lot out there" is miles better than what the Spurs currently have at the position. Fucking trash ass Killian Hayes would be a massive upgrade for this team and you could probably get him for a top 55 protected pick :lol

This Point Sochan experiment has been so f'n bad and detrimental that Jeremy getting hurt for a long period of time would probably be a net positive both for him and the club's outlook tbh. Anything to keep him from running the offense and f'n over everybody else on the team including himself.

[SAGirl]

Spurs have a pass this year because they got Wemby. They are going to get another lottery pick and will draft the best point guard in next year's draft. If they wanted to win this year, just needed to sign 3 or 4 veterans. There were guys available to win in free agency if that was the goal. Plainly they want to suck, get a low draft pick, see what they got and then trade players/picks to upgrade the roster next year.
Seems like maybe this is what they had in mind particularly because they have all those picks from Murray and White trades and they want to do some light OKC inspired team building. Spurs haven’t been an ace drafting though. Wemby draft was obvious… they need to hit on others as well.

[BacktoBasics]

Again, I'm not saying they part with their '24 first rounder for a PG. Even the "not a lot out there" is miles better than what the Spurs currently have at the position. Fucking trash ass Killian Hayes would be a massive upgrade for this team and you could probably get him for a top 55 protected pick :lol

This Point Sochan experiment has been so f'n bad and detrimental that Jeremy getting hurt for a long period of time would probably be a net positive both for him and the club's outlook tbh. Anything to keep him from running the offense and f'n over everybody else on the team including himself.
I don’t think you can get Hayes for a top 55 protected pick. He’s starting over Ivey at this point. So let’s be realistic if we’re going to play “the sky is falling” games. I don’t think 2 second round picks gets him either.

With that said I’m in no way against obtaining a pg for the right price.

[SAGirl]

Nobody is expecting to win. We just want competitive games and the team not playing like the worst pick-up basketball team of all-time. We want some semblence of organization and designed plays. Losing by 40 pts every game takes its toll on a fanbase and the players. This is beyond pathetic and shouldn't be acceptable at all.

The worst part is that all of this is self inflected harm by our HoF coach. I seriously think any other coach on the NBA (and not in the NBA too) could have this group of players playing way better than this.
I remember the process Philly went on a losing streak where they were getting absolutely whacked. It wasn’t that they were losing. It’s that it was by wide margins, IIRC they lost for something like 50 points to a Boban spurs… remember that. Probably no one on that team turned out to be an NBA caliber player with the exception of a minor roleplayer like Nerlens Noel. It doesn’t bode well for the Spurs if they don’t right the ship somewhat. Their players get devalued, and the reality is that they probably have several not NBA quality players getting heavy minutes in the team.., food for thought.

or the coaching is simply that bad. …

[John B]

Westbrick get the pass for holding the forte during last playoffs when Nephew and Playoff Pee were injured. Also, Clippers started strong with Westbrick in the lineup before the Harden trade.

And now we look at Harden's history...changing 4 teams in the last 4 years? Obviously he is the problem.

And someone here even considered he’ll be a fit in this young team :lol

[Ditty]

I want to see how this team looks with Keldon off the bench imo. If we are going to continue to baby Wemby's minutes at least keep him off the floor when Wemby is out there with the first player off the bench. Not the biggest Tre Jones fan but he needs to play around 35 minutes a game as your starting PG.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

What a shitastrophe.

[John B]

First Wemby has a bullseye on his back being a generational prospect, an alien and teams are targeting him. On top of a 22 win team from last year who was designed to tank to get a high pick. And Pop experimenting on a PG, the most crucial position in setting plays and pace, plus the youngest thus inexperienced team. Everything is going against the Spurs

[DAF86]

This is such a disingenuous take. He’s not blatantly sabotaging his team. With that said I don’t like the experiment either but it’s not like we’re 30 games in. One thing that I wouldn’t want to see is us tossing assets around aimlessly trying to fill the pg void with questionable trades.

If I had to take a pragmatic guess I’d say they’ll look hard at the trade landscape closer to the deadline as things become more workable the closer you get to the deadline.

Even adding an all star probably wouldn’t propel us deep into the playoffs so it makes little sense to plug holes with secondary players simply to make things more aesthetically pleasing to people like you.

We’re not ringing this year. So let’s not leverage the house out of the gate by making desperation trades.

I never talked about trades, tbh. I agree that I wouldn't give up any kind of asset for a stopgap at PG. I just think Pop could do a much better work with the pieces he does have.

[Jordan Jackson]

Spurs really need to update their draft profile. Minus Wemby - they keep drafting these one dimensional analog players. No athleticism, ball handling, speed, shooting. The NBA evolved they should join.
Also the overall ineptitude and awfulness of his teammates seems to be rubbing off on Wemby. He’s trying to be a team player and fit in but yikes.

Weird tweet from Don Harris who never criticizes the Spurs. Seem to point a finger at KJ, Devin and Jeremy for poor passes or lack there of passes/lobs to Wemby in the post. Pop going to need to establish a pecking order bc I’m not sure everyone has bought in to the fact that this is ultimately Wemby’s team.

[Chinook]

Puts in perspective what Becky, Messina and the other veteran coaches he had were doing, probably some heavy lifting in terms of schemes…. I haven’t watched for the past couple years bc I am not subscribing to NBA league pass to watch a bad spurs team lead a tankathon but this season they are showing on national tv so I am finally watching them again.

It’s fairly obvious they don’t have a talented guard that they can play off of. I know they had hopes with Primo, but b4 taking “IT” out he didn’t seem like that guy to me either.

They need a talented guard like the desert needs water, but besides that, and specially if you don’t have that, you at least need an offensive system.. problem is that those are built around stars and Spurs don’t have one. Wemby can already do some things really well but he’s too light to dominate specially if you don’t look for him early, as soon as he grabs position… meaning you have to look for him all the time and only if he’s doubled pass to whoever is open… seems easy to say, but alas… I don’t know offensively what actions they are running.

Howdy SAG, como te va?

Yep, I was really surprised that Pop didn't attack the PG position in the draft or free agency. Obviously they were going to pick Wemby at 1, but I really wanted them to be aggressive with their assets to snag another PG in the first. I wanted them to play the PG market, though I wasn't big on trading for an old guard like Paul or Lillard or even Lowry. Someone like Payne made a fair bit of sense in my mind, and I was interested when they got him. That Pop didn't seem to give him or most of the traded-for vets a chance during camp feels irresponsible to me. The Spurs didn't need those seconds badly enough to settle for dead money over talent.

I feel like given where the Spurs are that it would make more sense for them to be looking at PG prospects to cycle through rather than starting a bad fit there and locking the position. Have Jones start, don't have a 15th man and sign free agents or d-leaguers to see if any figure it out. Carlik Jones is an interesting guy who washed out in Chicago but has some skills the Spurs might need. I really liked Alondes Williams during his draft. Hell, SJR is on the team but is playing with the Toros for some reason. Why PATFO seems to have approached the PG position like it was settled is definitely the biggest mystery of the roster right now.

[BillMc]

No Riga Time no win....

[HemisfairArena]

I guess no one remembers Wemby saying he wants to win immediately,,,,he's only on a 4 year deal and if you think this dude sticks around after 4 years with a subpar team,,,youre crazy. Every big market in America is gonna come for this dude at the end of his rookie contract and the Spurs having losing seasons is gonna cause this kid to leave. Hell, Duncan almost left for Orlando and he already won a title in San Antonio,,,,

[JeffDuncan]

I don’t think Wemby signed up to be the featured clown in a Vaudeville comedy show, either.

It’s one thing to have a talent deficiency, but it’s something else entirely for the whole team to be incompetent at playing the game of basketball.

The Spurs have a coaching problem.

[tim_duncan_fan]

Monday's game is gonna be a movie:

Friday the 13th

[HemisfairArena]

Yep,,,you gotta make upgrades now,,,trade those picks and get the ball rollin',,,,,you gotta bring in some guys that are proven and Wemby can see a light at the end of the tunnel. You cant waste a year waiting for next years draft in hopes that it pans out when this monster is only on a 4 year deal. That leaves you only 3 years to build a contender and has pop shown he can do that since Duncan left?,,,,the proof's in the puddin',,,,swing for the fences now or risk the consequences of losing Wemby,,,

[Splits]

Clippers are 3-7 but have a positive point differential thanks to the Spurs :lmao

[MannyIsGod]

Honestly if this were any other coach than Pop, I wouldn't feel confident they'd survive the season. I'm even starting to suspect that Pop "steps down" within the next year. There just isn't a single thing you can point to him doing well right now. The scheme sucks, the game plans suck, the chemistry sucks. Pop doesn't deserve to keep his job right now, even though he will have it as long as he wants it.

10000000000%

I've never been critical of Pop before but this is just putrid.

[Barfunk]

I don't care what the "Pop to a fault" people think, you cannot allow these embarrassing losses to continue and expect everything to be hunky dory. Just my opinion. Every Prime-time game thus far we have laid an egg. The league rewarded us with said games and we have been dropping the ball. It DOES matter. Edit: My bad, not every Prime-Time game thus far.

[Barfunk]

I guess no one remembers Wemby saying he wants to win immediately,,,,he's only on a 4 year deal and if you think this dude sticks around after 4 years with a subpar team,,,youre crazy. Every big market in America is gonna come for this dude at the end of his rookie contract and the Spurs having losing seasons is gonna cause this kid to leave. Hell, Duncan almost left for Orlando and he already won a title in San Antonio,,,,

Unfortunately, this fucker is right here.

[objective]

Even if they did get an upgrade at point guard, would he be under orders to facility the Zach Collins show?

"He has some nasty!" - Pop after every time someone has zero respect for Collins and treats him like a nobody and clowns him

What is it with Pop and 'nasty'?

The first time he brought it out they proceeded to get humiliated in 4 straight games by an immature OKC team

[HemisfairArena]

Spurs should have made the trade for Damian Lillard,,,they had the draft capital to pull it off,,,,he's got another 3-4 years of high productivity and that is Wembys length of contract,,,,you gotta give Wemby some studs or hes gone,,,,plain and simple. You gotta take chances and gut the farm for some proven players,,,,whats the point of having all these draft picks if youre gonna lose your generational player while the team sucks waiting for the picks and the youth to grow? The Spurs had enough to grab Lilliard and another stud player,,,,but its not their style to do that and they will have to live with the consequences when Wemby leaves,,,just look at the Lakers gutting their future for Anthony Davis to appease LeBron,,,,resulted in a title,,,,

[Atl Spur]

10000000000%

I've never been critical of Pop before but this is just putrid.

Okc’s current coach says hi! Check out his last three years….. people lie numbers don’t!

[Vince Carter's ankle]

Spurs should have made the trade for Damian Lillard,,,they had the draft capital to pull it off,,,,he's got another 3-4 years of high productivity and that is Wembys length of contract,,,,you gotta give Wemby some studs or hes gone,,,,plain and simple. You gotta take chances and gut the farm for some proven players,,,,whats the point of having all these draft picks if youre gonna lose your generational player while the team sucks waiting for the picks and the youth to grow? The Spurs had enough to grab Lilliard and another stud player,,,,but its not their style to do that and they will have to live with the consequences when Wemby leaves,,,just look at the Lakers gutting their future for Anthony Davis to appease LeBron,,,,resulted in a title,,,,
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[Amuseddaysleeper]

Pop has lost the plot completely.

[tbdog]

Spurs should have made the trade for Damian Lillard,,,they had the draft capital to pull it off,,,,he's got another 3-4 years of high productivity and that is Wembys length of contract,,,,you gotta give Wemby some studs or hes gone,,,,plain and simple. You gotta take chances and gut the farm for some proven players,,,,whats the point of having all these draft picks if youre gonna lose your generational player while the team sucks waiting for the picks and the youth to grow? The Spurs had enough to grab Lilliard and another stud player,,,,but its not their style to do that and they will have to live with the consequences when Wemby leaves,,,just look at the Lakers gutting their future for Anthony Davis to appease LeBron,,,,resulted in a title,,,,

Gee, man. You don't blow your load until Wemby is ready.

[HankChinaski]

Was only able to catch the first half man how the tides shifted.

Spurs draw an L spurstalks melts down. Another day per usual.

This was always going to be a experiment with the current roster this season.

[tbdog]

Was only able to catch the first half man how the tides shifted.

Spurs draw an L spurstalks melts down. Another day per usual.

This was always going to be a experiment with the current roster this season.

This one was worse. Because we clearly had no hope against a pretty average team at the end of the day. We played bad turnover basketball and our franchise player doesn't get the touches he needs.

[RC_Drunkford]

This is such a disingenuous take. He’s not blatantly sabotaging his team. With that said I don’t like the experiment either but it’s not like we’re 30 games in. One thing that I wouldn’t want to see is us tossing assets around aimlessly trying to fill the pg void with questionable trades.

If I had to take a pragmatic guess I’d say they’ll look hard at the trade landscape closer to the deadline as things become more workable the closer you get to the deadline.

Even adding an all star probably wouldn’t propel us deep into the playoffs so it makes little sense to plug holes with secondary players simply to make things more aesthetically pleasing to people like you.

We’re not ringing this year. So let’s not leverage the house out of the gate by making desperation trades.

so the Spurs should make a trade when they are 3-47?

[davidbowie]

Time to tank!

#TrustTheProcess

[Kawhi Duncan]

This is a lot more level headed and rational than the dumbfucks calling Pop the worst coach in the league.

Let's be honest... If we saw this from ANY other coach in the league, we would call them the worst

[BacktoBasics]

so the Spurs should make a trade when they are 3-47?

They should make a trade when it makes sense. We're not going to go deep in the playoffs this season even if we traded for a borderline all star pg. So there's no reason to dump valuable assets unless it makes sense. Look at all these teams that have gutted their draft stock. Patience is important.

With that said I'm more than open to seeing a trade. It just needs to make sense.

[Kawhi Duncan]

This is such a disingenuous take. He’s not blatantly sabotaging his team. With that said I don’t like the experiment either but it’s not like we’re 30 games in. One thing that I wouldn’t want to see is us tossing assets around aimlessly trying to fill the pg void with questionable trades.

If I had to take a pragmatic guess I’d say they’ll look hard at the trade landscape closer to the deadline as things become more workable the closer you get to the deadline.

Even adding an all star probably wouldn’t propel us deep into the playoffs so it makes little sense to plug holes with secondary players simply to make things more aesthetically pleasing to people like you.

We’re not ringing this year. So let’s not leverage the house out of the gate by making desperation trades.

Mark my words... Sohan will be PG the entire season... One thing Pop will NOT do is admit he was wrong

[BacktoBasics]

Let's be honest... If we saw this from ANY other coach in the league, we would call them the worst

We see it all the time. I'd rather see this experiment and maintain our draft stock than do what the Clips are doing. OKC sat on their team for nearly 3 years while they built it up.

[Kawhi Duncan]

First Wemby has a bullseye on his back being a generational prospect, an alien and teams are targeting him. On top of a 22 win team from last year who was designed to tank to get a high pick. And Pop experimenting on a PG, the most crucial position in setting plays and pace, plus the youngest thus inexperienced team. Everything is going against the Spurs

OKC is just as young and they have been looking competent for years now... They actually have an offensive structure and they actually play their players in the positions they belong

[Splits]

:pop: You have to get tired of getting your ass kicked

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[KingKev]

Yes

haha great response to an honest question sir! I’m all for getting another lottery pick tbh but if this isn’t voluntary I’m a tad concerned.

[Kawhi Duncan]

We see it all the time. I'd rather see this experiment and maintain our draft stock than do what the Clips are doing. OKC sat on their team for nearly 3 years while they built it up.

Have you watched OKC? they've always played with structure and had their players in the correct position... They NEVER looked as bad as the Spurs look right now... They actually ran an offense that benefited their guys

[TDomination]

:pop: You have to get tired of getting your ass kicked

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Honestly im surprised by his response.

i figured it would have been one of those sarcastic pressers or where he just goes into politics.

now saying what he said, what can be done to fix this??

and whos to say that they arent getting tired of getting whooped. Perhaps they just are unable to stop the bleeding from a lack of talent. they simply aren't good enough. and part of it is playing payers out of position. and another is that there is ZERO floor leader. How badly one is needed. It is so apparent. On offense and on defense.

[TimmehC]

Wemby has been stronger on the boards the past few games. Now if he can just cut down on the terrible shots and turnovers. Devin looks OK, but the rest of these idiots don't know how to hoop at the NBA level.

[SAGirl]

Howdy SAG, como te va?

Yep, I was really surprised that Pop didn't attack the PG position in the draft or free agency. Obviously they were going to pick Wemby at 1, but I really wanted them to be aggressive with their assets to snag another PG in the first. I wanted them to play the PG market, though I wasn't big on trading for an old guard like Paul or Lillard or even Lowry. Someone like Payne made a fair bit of sense in my mind, and I was interested when they got him. That Pop didn't seem to give him or most of the traded-for vets a chance during camp feels irresponsible to me. The Spurs didn't need those seconds badly enough to settle for dead money over talent.

I feel like given where the Spurs are that it would make more sense for them to be looking at PG prospects to cycle through rather than starting a bad fit there and locking the position. Have Jones start, don't have a 15th man and sign free agents or d-leaguers to see if any figure it out. Carlik Jones is an interesting guy who washed out in Chicago but has some skills the Spurs might need. I really liked Alondes Williams during his draft. Hell, SJR is on the team but is playing with the Toros for some reason. Why PATFO seems to have approached the PG position like it was settled is definitely the biggest mystery of the roster right now.

Howdy! I’ve missed you guys and the Spurs being on TV :-)

Yup you nailed it.

To your point. I can’t imagine they don’t see the deficiencies which maybe means that what they are doing is deliberate but I don’t know, I am speculating.

Hear me out, in the past Pop liked to have so many guard prospects on the pipeline that he seemingly accumulated them on the bench and would try them out for minutes here and there. He helped develop quite a few guards through the years this way. However after dealing out Derozan, Murray and White he didn’t seek a stand in replacing the ball handling which is unusual. I wouldn’t think having no PG or at least legit guards/ballhandlers would suit his style. It seems to me to be a Wright preference. The only guard “high prospect” they he’s drafted is Primo, who was a weird choice to begin with, because he played more like a wing. Anyways, Wright seems to want to build a particular type of team that’s bigger, but he’s sacrificed ballhandling and playmaking to an extreme degree.

Going into the season without addressing that problem seems kind of intentional in context, because even if you aren’t anywhere near ready to compete in the playoffs, you at least need to start thinking of a system around your franchise player. I don’t think their guard prospects are anything to write about with the exception of Jones, who is simply a solid backup or low level starter but he should be starting considering… But they need to be fishing in for prospects as you say.

The other aspect is something that no one mentions but it’s the fact you also can’t develop a ton of lottery picks at a time and place them all in a position to succeed… like Sochan needs minutes. He’s a recent lotto pick, who’s young and has some potential, but in the need to find him minutes are they perhaps just slotting him wherever they can to plug a hole? Just trying to figure it out.

Also the Spurs are probably playing guys who aren’t NBA caliber… I am not familiar enough with the deeper bench guys but no one stood out.

[SAGirl]

Wemby has been stronger on the boards the past few games. Now if he can just cut down on the terrible shots and turnovers. Devin looks OK, but the rest of these idiots don't know how to hoop at the NBA level.
I said it b4 but it does look like the Spurs have several not NBA caliber players getting heavy minutes. They have injuries but it’s too painful to watch. They looked like a G league team last night.

[poopbox]

They should make a trade when it makes sense. We're not going to go deep in the playoffs this season even if we traded for a borderline all star pg. So there's no reason to dump valuable assets unless it makes sense. Look at all these teams that have gutted their draft stock. Patience is important.

With that said I'm more than open to seeing a trade. It just needs to make sense.

It already makes sense. We are hindering the development of our number 9 pick last year by playing him at point guard and the development of our number 1 pick this year by not making sure he has a competent point guard with him on the floor.

[BacktoBasics]

It already makes sense. We are hindering the development of our number 9 pick last year by playing him at point guard and the development of our number 1 pick this year by not making sure he has a competent point guard with him on the floor.

Right or wrong that’s simply the opinion of an asshole online who calls himself poop. Clearly the FO and coaches see differently until they don’t.

For the record I don’t think any of this experiment hurts Sochan. Now if they carry this experiment into next year with no change in results you’d have a lot more valid argument.

I do see some things that Jeremy is doing differently and arguably better in the last couple of games that he wasn’t doing in the few games previously sans the season opener.

He has regained a bit of his offense and is picking up the dribble later than he was previously.

But I’d like to see this experiment wind down by the trade deadline whether we get another pg or not.

[wildbill2u]

I happen to agree that the Sochan experiment should end asap/ However, whatever happened to the posters who thought we knocked it out of the park by picking up Wesley and Malaki? Do you still feel those guys are gonna be good to great players for us.???

[poopbox]

Right or wrong that’s simply the opinion of an asshole online who calls himself poop. Clearly the FO and coaches see differently until they don’t.

For the record I don’t think any of this experiment hurts Sochan. Now if they carry this experiment into next year with no change in results you’d have a lot more valid argument.

I do see some things that Jeremy is doing differently and arguably better in the last couple of games that he wasn’t doing in the few games previously sans the season opener.

He has regained a bit of his offense and is picking up the dribble later than he was previously.

But I’d like to see this experiment wind down by the trade deadline whether we get another pg or not.

It shouldn't be an experiment at all. No other coach / front office / team is even stupid enough to try it in the first place.

Let's spend half a season trying to make something work that everyone already knows isn't going to work.

[TDomination]

My biggest issue with them trying to make sochan a PG is that they are forcing him to be a starting PG.
Thats ridiculous.

Even if Tre is not your longterm answer at PG, you don't force Sochan to play against the other teams best players right away in a position he has not played.

For Sochan, get his feet wet by playing him against the 2nd string first.

Even G-league wouldn't be a terrible option. Just so that he can practice without worrying about the consequences of his mistakes.

I'm just saying, if they truly are dedicated to trying to make Sochan a starting PG, then they should take all the proper measures to make sure he succeeds. Making him starting PG is not the answer.

For those who have said that it might be a Bright Wright decision, you might be on to something.

Pop has ALWAYS loved midget ball. He usually trots out 2 to 3 PG's on the court lol. So this is very un Pop like. Very unusual tbh

[The Truth #6]

Malaki was a good pick at 20 in that he could have an NBA career. Good skills. He is just too passive right now still in my opinion.

[Vince Carter's ankle]

My biggest issue with them trying to make sochan a PG is that they are forcing him to be a starting PG.
Thats ridiculous.

Even if Tre is not your longterm answer at PG, you don't force Sochan to play against the other teams best players right away in a position he has not played.

For Sochan, get his feet wet by playing him against the 2nd string first.

Even G-league wouldn't be a terrible option. Just so that he can practice without worrying about the consequences of his mistakes.

I'm just saying, if they truly are dedicated to trying to make Sochan a starting PG, then they should take all the proper measures to make sure he succeeds. Making him starting PG is not the answer.

For those who have said that it might be a Bright Wright decision, you might be on to something.

Pop has ALWAYS loved midget ball. He usually trots out 2 to 3 PG's on the court lol. So this is very un Pop like. Very unusual tbh
"bucks" forced Giannis "in a position he didn't play" in the 15/16 season
and he was the starting point guard in 23 games
no one died or retired

[TekXX]

Ok so we're tanking, but who for? What top 5 prospect is Pop/Wright interested in that were throwing away another season for? We'll probably reach for another project that won't pan out again.

[sammy]

Get rid of Wright! RC needs to be GM again! It's embarrassing to see this team with no PG or decent center! They have no defense other than Wemby and the rest don't know how to handle the ball! Bunch of ball hogs and no way should Collins get the ball that much, he's weak and defenders take the ball out of his hands and he's also plays no defense! How many times did he leave his man open for a 3 pointer! Most of those players on the floor are not NBA ready players! Disgraceful!

[Russ]

Malaki was a good pick at 20 in that he could have an NBA career. Good skills. He is just too passive right now still in my opinion.

Branham looks like the key at this point. There are a bunch of guys we already know are going to be decent or never will be. Branham is the wild card -- he could become a rotation player on a high end team or not. Therefore, he is the key by process of elimination.



I said it b4 but it does look like the Spurs have several not NBA caliber players getting heavy minutes. They have injuries but it’s too painful to watch. They looked like a G league team last night.

Look at the bright side -- at least Wemby finally got to play in front of a full house.

[BacktoBasics]

Branham looks like the key at this point. There are a bunch of guys we already know are going to be decent or never will be. Branham is the wild card -- he could become a rotation player on a high end team or not. Therefore, he is the key by process of elimination.




Look at the bright side -- at least Wemby finally got to play in front of a full house.

Branham hasn’t played poorly either.

Comparatively for all the hate Lonnie got here he’s played well for Brooklyn this year. He’s averaging 15 on 51% shooting and 46% from 3pt.

If Branham brings up 14-15 off the bench by next season that would be great. Seems so many here either want an all star or they should be cut.

[Dex]

This game was so bad that LJ doesn't even want to do grades for it.

[Dex]

Branham hasn’t played poorly either.

Comparatively for all the hate Lonnie got here he’s played well for Brooklyn this year. He’s averaging 15 on 51% shooting and 46% from 3pt.

If Branham brings up 14-15 off the bench by next season that would be great. Seems so many here either want an all star or they should be cut.

Agreed. Branham is the least of my concerns this season...he is one of the few rookies that seems to be progressing despite some issues.

Wesley looks like he will be playing in Austin, Sochan is playing a position he isn't fit for, and Wemby barely has 10 games under his belt and has shown flashes of being spectacular even without a lack of real team support.

Part of me wishes we still had a Murray or White, or hell even a Walker IV around...but if that was the case, we probably wouldn't have Wemby so we'll have to take the lumps

[BacktoBasics]

Agreed. Branham is the least of my concerns this season...he is one of the few rookies that seems to be progressing despite some issues.

Wesley looks like he will be playing in Austin, Sochan is playing a position he isn't fit for, and Wemby barely has 10 games under his belt and has shown flashes of being spectacular even without a lack of real team support.

Part of me wishes we still had a Murray or White, or hell even a Walker IV around...but if that was the case, we probably wouldn't have Wemby so we'll have to take the lumps

The perils of a tank. Everyone here wanted a fire sale and then they got what they asked for and are pissed off we’re sitting on all that valuable draft capital with a roster that literally looks like it went through a fire sale.

Not even a half season through after the great sell off season.

Personally I think we’re in a good spot and would be wise to tread lightly into the trade deadline. With that said I’m sure we’ll be open minded if a respectable pg becomes reasonably available.

[sfernald]

Ok so we're tanking, but who for? What top 5 prospect is Pop/Wright interested in that were throwing away another season for? We'll probably reach for another project that won't pan out again.

it’s okay, we are “Collapsing for Collier!”

[Thomas82]

it’s okay, we are “Collapsing for Collier!”

Or "Sinking For Sarr".

[Splits]

The perils of a tank. Everyone here wanted a fire sale and then they got what they asked for and are pissed off we’re sitting on all that valuable draft capital with a roster that literally looks like it went through a fire sale.

Not even a half season through after the great sell off season.

Personally I think we’re in a good spot and would be wise to tread lightly into the trade deadline. With that said I’m sure we’ll be open minded if a respectable pg becomes reasonably available.

lol anyone thinking the Spurs will make a move at the "trade deadline"

have you been paying attention the last decade? #TrustTheProcess

[ismael-robert]

Branham hasn’t played poorly either.

Comparatively for all the hate Lonnie got here he’s played well for Brooklyn this year. He’s averaging 15 on 51% shooting and 46% from 3pt.

If Branham brings up 14-15 off the bench by next season that would be great. Seems so many here either want an all star or they should be cut.

And he's doing it in 20min...almost a point per min. In 1 game he did score 20 in 20. I did say watch for Lonnie in year 6

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gmy6khcXFFc

[heyheymymy]

If you start the game thread tomorrow don't forget to add Riga time

[BacktoBasics]

lol anyone thinking the Spurs will make a move at the "trade deadline"

have you been paying attention the last decade? #TrustTheProcess

I have. They've never really had rebuilding years. It was a bad season followed by a good one with pieces somewhat in place. This roster is under construction. So I see no reason for the FO to not make a move if its prudent and makes sense.