I am a Sniffer. It is time to Fire Pop.

[MultiTroll]

https://quantimschmitz.com/2023/04/02/how-valuable-is-each-nba-draft-pick/

Same shit.

I'm going to guess you saw the historical data showing that 5 has been much better than 6. Unless we expect that for some magic reason 6 is just a bad spot where 7, 8, and 9 are all better despite coming later (and since all the players available at those spots were also available at 6.
Manny did a couple players at #9 far exceed expectations thus drive #9 up?

Very interesting link, thank you.
It appears most years only a full on Tank / Suck will theoretically give a lasting / team influencing pick.
Altho 2 has not done that well.

[gambit1990]

this thread is as good as locked tbh.

he's not getting fired bc of that $80 million dollar contract.

[Tyronn Lue]

Manny did a couple players at #9 far exceed expectations thus drive #9 up?

Very interesting link, thank you.
It appears most years only a full on Tank / Suck will theoretically give a lasting / team influencing pick.
Altho 2 has not done that well.
Wade, Love and Cousins probably jack up the value of the number 5 pick considerably. Curry maybe single handedly spiked 7. You have Thabeet, Okafor and Darko at 2. That would weigh that one down. Lonzo Ball there as well.

For 9, Amar'e, Shawn Marion, Iggy, Joakim Noah, Demar DeRozan, Kemba Walker, Andre Drummond, Gordon Hayward.

[exstatic]

Ad hominin? You above stated you didn't understand the models lol. Regardless of you having posted it before, why do you think its better than the other ones? You're choosing it now for what reason other than its convenient? If you read the article, you see that the author states they are adding in arbitrary measures into the model. For some reason, they want to make this in a function that involves grouping picks into tiers. Why? What reason do we have to expect picks to cluster into these plateaus where you see steep drop off between picks. Why does this one analyst decide to make arbitrary changes to a simple statistical model that no other analyst has chosen?

You can't say you don't understand it and then get upset when someone says you're using shit you don't understand to make a point just because you like what it says. I don't see a reason to expect anything other than a standard exponential decay function. Thats exactly what the data shows. What would be unexpected would be some kind of a weird step at arbitrary points in the draft.

Never said I didn’t understand it. I said I don’t DO it. I also didn’t randomly pick this. As stated, I referenced this model last year. Two whiffs, so maybe it’s your reading comp skills that need work, not my modeling ones.

[MultiTroll]

The NBA's two highest-paid coaches are now a combined 6-46 this season (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/the-nba-s-two-highest-paid-coaches-are-now-a-combined-6-46-this-season/ar-AA1lIXGJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e1b90b61af6b4b328ad715c53dc0e09a&ei=45)

det Pop coaching tree.

[TD 21]

The NBA's two highest-paid coaches are now a combined 6-46 this season (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/the-nba-s-two-highest-paid-coaches-are-now-a-combined-6-46-this-season/ar-AA1lIXGJ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e1b90b61af6b4b328ad715c53dc0e09a&ei=45)

det Pop coaching tree.

But remember, coaching (supposedly) matters.

[Sugus]

The record says it, 18L´s in a row is not pretty.
Yeah, the recipe is GET SOME TALENT AND ADAPT TO THE WAY THE GAME IS PLAYED, 2014 was a decade ago.
Ask GSW, MIA, DEN, BOS, Milwaukee, sure they are idiots and dont know shit.

How many steps? 385?
Leaving the players improvise for 20 games without a plan and Im making a fool of myself, sure...
The Sochan ¨experiment¨ make a giraffe believe its an elefant.

The man is old and out of touch, you guys act like if Pop retires there wont be another good coach and Spurs will never go deep in the playoffs, let alone win a championship.

Yes, you were making a fool of yourself by making a very premature judgment on what has always been a multi-year plan, and taking day 1 results at face value as if it indicates the outlook of the Spurs in 5 seasons of this path. How do you think small-market San Antonio "gets some talent and adapts"? You don't think the lottery's a pretty good place for that?

Losing 20 games today means jack shit in the grand scheme of things. Or do you see the Thunder bogged down today by yesterday's tanking? The Rockettes? Any of the tanked-then, good-now teams? I've never been a Team Tank person for many reasons, but the pros have always been clear, as has the timeline.

And now we've reaped the biggest pro of it (a generational talent - on the first true try!) and wanting a second go before the major retooling stage. What's so stupid about it? Lastly, I want this team coached by a new coach as well, I don't know what you were on about with that. Both things aren't incompatible.

[Sugus]

The Spurs added Victor to last year's team. They're worse.

Yeah, the team is worse, but who's wanted them to be better (besides the fans)? I know we lack far too much information to make definitive judgments on this, but I've actually been impressed at the ways Pop & Co have found to tie Victor's hands this season and limit his impact. They're making it very hard on him in that sense, for sure.

I mean, having no starting point guards last year leading to a lottery year and a #1 pick that's a big man -- and you sign zero real point guards at all in that off-season? Not even the corpse of Patty "culture" Mills? It's almost funny bold, tbh :lol

[Sugus]

lolwut?

I see Devin driving with a lot more confidence than he did last season, and his shoot is much more on point (though I haven't checked any numbers on this). I distinctly remember cringing last season on every Vassell wing 3, where I've been surprised by his marksmanship this season - he's kept the team afloat in some of the games I've watched.

Sochan is a mess to quantify given all the variables, but I like what I've seen from him. Again, if you're expecting linear improvement I see how you're confused/disappointed, but many, many players take "two steps back" when learning new things, before putting them together. If he keeps improving his shot, and his floor game and court vision, then gets back to his comfort zone with all these new tools... I think it could be good.

But I know it's a tough sell at this point, not gonna argue that.

[Sugus]

Just want to get on the record now how many years it is acceptable to use the excuse that we are just trying to maximize our odds of a top pick.

In 2028, when we still suck, will the Sniffers still be talking about how we just need to add that 8th lottery pick to the roster to be able to finally compete?

For sure this season and I wouldn't expect it to last past this one. If the Spurs don't make any moves to address the team's holes this off-season, I would begin to worry, honestly.

But they made a lot of moves last season with this goal in mind, so we're reaping the fruits that were chosen. That's important to keep in mind, even if you or I personally disagree with the path taken, which is fine.

[Extra Stout]

Yeah, the team is worse, but who's wanted them to be better (besides the fans)? I know we lack far too much information to make definitive judgments on this, but I've actually been impressed at the ways Pop & Co have found to tie Victor's hands this season and limit his impact. They're making it very hard on him in that sense, for sure.

I mean, having no starting point guards last year leading to a lottery year and a #1 pick that's a big man -- and you sign zero real point guards at all in that off-season? Not even the corpse of Patty "culture" Mills? It's almost funny bold, tbh :lol
Not just that, but they make a trade that yields a real veteran point guard and then cut him.

[Sugus]

Not just that, but they make a trade that yields a real veteran point guard and then cut him.

Exactly.

Fucking Spurs always going zag when everyone zigs.... Tread milled for years when everyone wanted a tank, now commit to a tank when everyone wants them winning :lmao

[TrainOfThought5]

I see Devin driving with a lot more confidence than he did last season, and his shoot is much more on point (though I haven't checked any numbers on this). I distinctly remember cringing last season on every Vassell wing 3, where I've been surprised by his marksmanship this season - he's kept the team afloat in some of the games I've watched.

Sochan is a mess to quantify given all the variables, but I like what I've seen from him. Again, if you're expecting linear improvement I see how you're confused/disappointed, but many, many players take "two steps back" when learning new things, before putting them together. If he keeps improving his shot, and his floor game and court vision, then gets back to his comfort zone with all these new tools... I think it could be good.

But I know it's a tough sell at this point, not gonna argue that.

being ten games better than last year doesn’t serve anyone a good purpose, tbh.

[MannyIsGod]

Never said I didn’t understand it. I said I don’t DO it. I also didn’t randomly pick this. As stated, I referenced this model last year. Two whiffs, so maybe it’s your reading comp skills that need work, not my modeling ones.

And yet you still can't provide any reasoning. I don't know who you're trying to bullshit my dude but either shit or get off the pot. If you don't get it its fine but for fucks sake stop trying this fucking nonsense and explain what you think or just stfu.

[Arcadian]

Exactly.

Fucking Spurs always going zag when everyone zigs.... Tread milled for years when everyone wanted a tank, now commit to a tank when everyone wants them winning :lmao

Well we can't deny that they were right to tank in 2022-23. If they tanked back in 2019, the trajectory is different, and they probably don't land Wemby.

[Raven]

why is malaki starting? surely starting champagnie would be far better.

[offset formation]

I’ll be off of the tank Tank next year. I’ve said in a few threads that we’re on the OKC track, 20ish, 20ish, 40ish, contender over a four year period.

I tend to agree with this but our defensive woes worry me that they are entrenched and not something that can just be switched off. I mean we have player personnel issues here and many players have shown either incompetence, low. BBIQ, or low desire to actually play defense.

[offset formation]

I see Devin driving with a lot more confidence than he did last season, and his shoot is much more on point (though I haven't checked any numbers on this). I distinctly remember cringing last season on every Vassell wing 3, where I've been surprised by his marksmanship this season - he's kept the team afloat in some of the games I've watched.

Sochan is a mess to quantify given all the variables, but I like what I've seen from him. Again, if you're expecting linear improvement I see how you're confused/disappointed, but many, many players take "two steps back" when learning new things, before putting them together. If he keeps improving his shot, and his floor game and court vision, then gets back to his comfort zone with all these new tools... I think it could be good.

But I know it's a tough sell at this point, not gonna argue that.

I like some of what I see from Sochan including some improved interior scoring but he's got to get that hitch worked through on his 3 pt shot and he's got to be more consistent on defense. I could easily see him being a second Keldon on defense if something doesn't change to make his motor run harder.

As for Vassell, I was among the most vocal supporters to draft him. That said, his game frustrates me especially as it relates to Wemby. I do not see a long term relationship there. So many times in transition Vassell will just jack up a 3 when Wemby has more or less gained a scoring position in the post. That sort of thing will eventually cause problems. I'm basically meh on Vassell at this point.

[scott]

I see Devin driving with a lot more confidence than he did last season, and his shoot is much more on point (though I haven't checked any numbers on this). I distinctly remember cringing last season on every Vassell wing 3, where I've been surprised by his marksmanship this season - he's kept the team afloat in some of the games I've watched.

Sochan is a mess to quantify given all the variables, but I like what I've seen from him. Again, if you're expecting linear improvement I see how you're confused/disappointed, but many, many players take "two steps back" when learning new things, before putting them together. If he keeps improving his shot, and his floor game and court vision, then gets back to his comfort zone with all these new tools... I think it could be good.

But I know it's a tough sell at this point, not gonna argue that.

What I see in Devin this season is his extreme natural talent overcoming a major developmental backsliding, which isn’t necessarily his fault. I wasn’t the biggest on Devin, the smoothness to his jumper and the way he plays (offense, anyway) has impressed me and he clearly has a ton of talent.

With that said, he is kind of playing the game of basketball like ass. His shot selection is extremely poor (like, it cannot be overstated how bad it is) and he isn’t playing winning basketball that is a foundation to build on. He is playing the way I expect a young kid on the Silas-led Rockets to play. With that said, I don’t think he is completely to blame. The offense is a disaster, there is no one to set him up, and he often does these things because…. Well, wtf else is he gonna do? This, to me, is an indictment on the coach for not using this tanking year to its fullest to develop these young players.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

I wonder if the 1996 version of Greg Popovich would have fired the 2023 version of Greg Popovich and then insert himself as coach, claiming Old Pop had "lost control of the locker room" similar to what Young Pop said about Bob Hill back in the day.

[spurraider21]

why is malaki starting? surely starting champagnie would be far better.
he's the closest thing to a point guard pop is willing to start for some reason

[MultiTroll]

I wonder if the 1996 version of Greg Popovich would have fired the 2023 version of Greg Popovich and then insert himself as coach, claiming Old Pop had "lost control of the locker room" similar to what Young Pop said about Bob Hill back in the day.
Rack it!

[Raven]

he's the closest thing to a point guard pop is willing to start for some reason

seems a textbook lou williams to me

[Obstructed_View]

I wonder if the 1996 version of Greg Popovich would have fired the 2023 version of Greg Popovich and then insert himself as coach, claiming Old Pop had "lost control of the locker room" similar to what Young Pop said about Bob Hill back in the day.
Pop wanted to tank for Timmy, Hill showed signs of wanting to win to keep his job, and Pop knew he would be heralded as a good coach hitched to the Tim Duncan wagon.

Anybody who wanted to be a coach would take this team in a second. The smallest bit of common sense makes this a good team with an otherworldly young superstar leading the team.

[spurraider21]

seems a textbook lou williams to me
Yeah just a bad version

[MultiTroll]

Pop wanted to tank for Timmy, Hill showed signs of wanting to win to keep his job, and Pop knew he would be heralded as a good coach hitched to the Tim Duncan wagon.

Anybody who wanted to be a coach would take this team in a second. The smallest bit of common sense makes this a good team with an otherworldly young superstar leading the team.
Ed's talking about -now- the year after the Tank for Wemby.

You're comparing the year before the Spurs acquired Timmy.

Ed's question 100 legit and wonder if any of the local media pussies would pose it to Pop.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Pop wanted to tank for Timmy, Hill showed signs of wanting to win to keep his job, and Pop knew he would be heralded as a good coach hitched to the Tim Duncan wagon.

Anybody who wanted to be a coach would take this team in a second. The smallest bit of common sense makes this a good team with an otherworldly young superstar leading the team.

Interestingly though, Pop won something like 32% of his games when he took over from Hill, who’d only won 20% of his up to that point in the season.

I think I’d be satisfied with this team “tanking” at a 32% win rate. This group is a whole different level of bad than even the Robinson-less Spurs were in ‘96-‘97.

[MultiTroll]

Interestingly though, Pop won something like 32% .
Popped won 26% after the coup.

Which, any coach should have been tanking that year for Duncan and Pop most certainly did.

[Obstructed_View]

Ed's talking about -now- the year after the Tank for Wemby.

You're comparing the year before the Spurs acquired Timmy.

Ed's question 100 legit and wonder if any of the local media pussies would pose it to Pop.

I think I addressed Chopper's point in the last half of my post.

[MultiTroll]

I think I addressed Chopper's point in the last half of my post.
I'll do a blitz to the local media -expecting absolutely none of them to question Pop. Most probably will not respond to me.

However i will say the last time i did this a few did respond. They were all total sniffers but at least a few responded.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Popped won 26% after the coup.

Which, any coach should have been tanking that year for Duncan and Pop most certainly did.

You’re right, 27%. I was going off memory. I knew he won at a slightly higher clip than Hill did, but pretty close.


Certainly better than this bunch…that’s tanking for what exactly? A point guard who will take 4 years to develop?

[exstatic]

You’re right, 27%. I was going off memory. I knew he won at a slightly higher clip than Hill did, but pretty close.


Certainly better than this bunch…that’s tanking for what exactly? A point guard who will take 4 years to develop?

European players have more advanced skills. Won’t take as long to develop.

[SpurSpike]

Pop has moved from being the guy that is hard on individual players to a coach that instead focuses on team play only. He believes in playing by a team more than playing around an individual player. Hell even when pop misses a game he doesn't have any one coach take charge he elects to have the team coached by committee.

That way of team first thinking worked when you had a roster of talented players but when you have one generational player and a bunch of role players you need to focus things around your generational player a bit more than he has.

[Tyronn Lue]

You’re right, 27%. I was going off memory. I knew he won at a slightly higher clip than Hill did, but pretty close.


Certainly better than this bunch…that’s tanking for what exactly? A point guard who will take 4 years to develop?
How much of this is the ownership balking at paying anyone? Surely Pop would like to have more talent on the team. Who's making the decision to throw this season in the tank?

[Obstructed_View]

How much of this is the ownership balking at paying anyone? Surely Pop would like to have more talent on the team. Who's making the decision to throw this season in the tank?
Talent ain't the problem.

[Tyronn Lue]

Talent ain't the problem.
When it comes to not getting Victor the ball I agree. The team doesn't shoot well. It feels like they are all end of the bench players other than DV and Victor.

[Mikeanaro]

Yesterday´s game was the most brutal, visceral, honest, stubborn, unbreakable demonstration that Pop needs to go.
The headless chicken Spurs´ BB sucks farty ass, worse than free jazz because there is no order and whats the point of everyone hero ballin´ except Wemby when most of those players will be gone over the next seasons?

When you have a talent like that you feed him the ball and then retool the team around him, other rooks were Lebron, Pau Gasol, Kevin Love, Anthony Davis, Arenas, Doncic, Carmelo and a trillion more, you name it.
This is just wasted time, fuck Pop.

[ambchang]

Yeah. Wasted time is the best way to describe this season up to this point. The players not only didn’t improve, they seemed to have gotten worse. Sochan at PG was a gigantic waste of time and seemed to have destroyed whatever improvements he showed late last season, Vassell is becoming a gigantic ballhog, Tre jones regressed as being a PG, Collins was no where close to what he was later last season. The only players who improved were wemby and maybe keldon.

It’s been two months and the players still make the same stupid defensive mistakes every game with no consequences. What is going on here?

[spurraider21]

Yeah. Wasted time is the best way to describe this season up to this point. The players not only didn’t improve, they seemed to have gotten worse. Sochan at PG was a gigantic waste of time and seemed to have destroyed whatever improvements he showed late last season, Vassell is becoming a gigantic ballhog, Tre jones regressed as being a PG, Collins was no where close to what he was later last season. The only players who improved were wemby and maybe keldon.

It’s been two months and the players still make the same stupid defensive mistakes every game with no consequences. What is going on here?
its bigger than basketball :pop:

[Obstructed_View]

When it comes to not getting Victor the ball I agree. The team doesn't shoot well. It feels like they are all end of the bench players other than DV and Victor.
The team doesn't shoot well because their offense doesn't generate good shots. It feels like they are end of the bench players because they are young guys being put out there with no plan, no accountability and no strategy

[Tyronn Lue]

The team doesn't shoot well because their offense doesn't generate good shots. It feels like they are end of the bench players because they are young guys being put out there with no plan, no accountability and no strategy
And not much in the talent area. They aren't super athletic, they don't shoot particularly well. They cannot set good screens, they have terrible court vision.

[Chomag]

I honestly think Pop would be content turning Wemby into a roll player.

[spurraider21]

what would things look like if we didnt hit the 14% lottery last year?

[scott]

what would things look like if we didnt hit the 14% lottery last year?

We'd have a 39-page thread on how well Amen Thompson is doing in Austin and wondering what it will take for Pop to give him some run with the big squad.

[spursparker9]

what would things look like if we didnt hit the 14% lottery last year?

Still have the Sochan PG experiment and Scoot Henderson would be playing PF.

[scott]

In the last 2 games:

-A player subbing himself into the game
-A player praising the obvious starting lineup choice the coach has been avoiding all season
-A player scratching the last play of the game to draw up his own while the head coach is off meditating somewhere

1996 GM Greg Popovich would fire 1996 Head Coach Bob Hill for "losing the team" if this happened then

[Chinook]

It's hard to grade Pop right now. It's clear the team is finally starting to get better. We're seeing a lot of legit defense played now. They're running plays for various guys. Wemby is getting high-quality touches. I feel much better about the players' ability to improve without major intervention now than I did a month ago. But you also have to wonder about if Wemby is starting to cash-out or something. I'm not too worried about him subbing himself back in -- Duncan did that. And we have no idea if Victor did the right thing but tearing up that play -- seeing as the one they ran didn't work. For all we know, Wemby ran up to console Jones because it was Victor's idea to give him the shot. So there are legit reasons to wonder if players are starting to rebel against Pop ... except on the court it really looks like they're starting to click with him.

[Mugen]

what would things look like if we didnt hit the 14% lottery last year?

Point Ausar tbh

[Mugen]

I don't know why you nerds are crying about Pop not drawing up the final play, I've been calling for that for years. His end of game plays are horrible :lol

[The Truth #6]

Is Pop basically inviting players to "figure things out" to the extent of calling their own plays? Very weird whatever Pop is doing. "I'm not a helicopter parent, you guys figure it out!" Such a bizarre season.

[Tyronn Lue]

I am at the point to where I just want to see Victor do crazy shit. The season is over otherwise, except trying to get into a decent lottery spot. I checked, no one has come back from 5 and 28 to start and won the championship.

[scott]

It's hard to grade Pop right now. It's clear the team is finally starting to get better. We're seeing a lot of legit defense played now. They're running plays for various guys. Wemby is getting high-quality touches. I feel much better about the players' ability to improve without major intervention now than I did a month ago. But you also have to wonder about if Wemby is starting to cash-out or something. I'm not too worried about him subbing himself back in -- Duncan did that. And we have no idea if Victor did the right thing but tearing up that play -- seeing as the one they ran didn't work. For all we know, Wemby ran up to console Jones because it was Victor's idea to give him the shot. So there are legit reasons to wonder if players are starting to rebel against Pop ... except on the court it really looks like they're starting to click with him.

The play drawn up resulted in a wide open corner 3 for Tre, so in that respect I'd say it was a pretty good play design... but it just happen to be taken by a guy who is 1 for 11 from the right corner 3pt area for the season. Whomp whomp.

[Chinook]

The play drawn up resulted in a wide open corner 3 for Tre, so in that respect I'd say it was a pretty good play design... but it just happen to be taken by a guy who is 1 for 11 from the right corner 3pt area for the season. Whomp whomp.

A wide-open look from an abysmal shooter isn't a good play design. Again, I'm not saying they even ran whatever play Wemby thought they should. But Jones shouldn't've been on the court if the plan was to get a three. I believe the plan was to get Wemby a quick dunk, and Tre made perfect sense to be in for that, both because of his passing and because the Spurs would've immediately gone for a steal in that case, which is someone you want Jones in for.

I kind of think that was an awkward place to even call a time-out though. The Spurs should've tried for a quick score, fouled and then used the time-out rather than stopping with so much time left to draw up a play.

[CorrectCrusader]

A wide-open look from an abysmal shooter isn't a good play design. Again, I'm not saying they even ran whatever play Wemby thought they should. But Jones shouldn't've been on the court if the plan was to get a three. I believe the plan was to get Wemby a quick dunk, and Tre made perfect sense to be in for that, both because of his passing and because the Spurs would've immediately gone for a steal in that case, which is someone you want Jones in for.

I kind of think that was an awkward place to even call a time-out though. The Spurs should've tried for a quick score, fouled and then used the time-out rather than stopping with so much time left to draw up a play.

Victor post game said the play was supposed to get Devin a three but it didn't work

[poopbox]

Last game Victor checked himself back in.

This game he ripped up the play design for the last play.

Next game he might just tell Pop stay at home I'll coach the team and play in the game.

[Dverde]

Devonte would have made that three pointer in the corner.

[spurraider21]

Point Ausar tbh
Not point Jarace Walker or Coulibaly? :lol

[baseline bum]

what would things look like if we didnt hit the 14% lottery last year?

Seattle Spurs

[baseline bum]

Point Ausar tbh

Point Jett Howard

[MannyIsGod]

It's hard to grade Pop right now. It's clear the team is finally starting to get better. We're seeing a lot of legit defense played now. They're running plays for various guys. Wemby is getting high-quality touches. I feel much better about the players' ability to improve without major intervention now than I did a month ago. But you also have to wonder about if Wemby is starting to cash-out or something. I'm not too worried about him subbing himself back in -- Duncan did that. And we have no idea if Victor did the right thing but tearing up that play -- seeing as the one they ran didn't work. For all we know, Wemby ran up to console Jones because it was Victor's idea to give him the shot. So there are legit reasons to wonder if players are starting to rebel against Pop ... except on the court it really looks like they're starting to click with him.

Regardless if the shot went in, the play worked damn well if that was what was drawn up. Deciding if a play is good or not based on whether or not the shot goes in is the wrong way to look at how successful a play is.

[MannyIsGod]

A wide-open look from an abysmal shooter isn't a good play design. Again, I'm not saying they even ran whatever play Wemby thought they should. But Jones shouldn't've been on the court if the plan was to get a three. I believe the plan was to get Wemby a quick dunk, and Tre made perfect sense to be in for that, both because of his passing and because the Spurs would've immediately gone for a steal in that case, which is someone you want Jones in for.

I kind of think that was an awkward place to even call a time-out though. The Spurs should've tried for a quick score, fouled and then used the time-out rather than stopping with so much time left to draw up a play.

Jones on a wide open 3 is at least a 30-35% shooter (I know he's sub 30% but that was a corner 3). There's virtually no chance the Spurs get better than that on a chance to tie there. You aren't going to tie very often. It's the nature of being down 3 against a superior team. Putting in a 3 point shooter doesn't dictate you get that same look with a better shooter.

That's a wide open corner 3. I just don't see how any play is going to get anything that is better even with Tre shooting.

EDIT: Ehhh, looking at at Tre's percentages over the past 2 year maybe you're right. He's not any better on corner 3s.

[james evans]

Last game Victor checked himself back in.

This game he ripped up the play design for the last play.

Next game he might just tell Pop stay at home I'll coach the team and play in the game.
at this point I'd be perfectly ok with it.

[scott]

New England just fired Belichick. Holt Jr. should pay attention here and learn something. You don't have to extend a "GOAT" coach into eternity, you are allowed to move on gracefully.

[Seventyniner]

New England just fired Belichick. Holt Jr. should pay attention here and learn something. You don't have to extend a "GOAT" coach into eternity, you are allowed to move on gracefully.

Belichick wasn't fired fwiw. I sure hope Pop isn't the kind that holds on for dear life until he is forced out, but I haven't really seen any evidence for that yet.

[scott]

Belichick wasn't fired fwiw. I sure hope Pop isn't the kind that holds on for dear life until he is forced out, but I haven't really seen any evidence for that yet.

"Mutually agreed to part ways" is code for "The coach agreed to resign because he was going to be fired if he didn't"

Either way, I'm looking forward to Holt and Pop "mutually agreeing to part ways"

[Spurminator]

I always believed he'd stay with the organization forever but eventually move into a more advisory or operations type of role. I can't believe he's still out there calling plays.

[MultiTroll]

New England just fired Belichick. Holt Jr. should pay attention here and learn something. You don't have to extend a "GOAT" coach into eternity, you are allowed to move on gracefully.
After 2007 Pop has gotten one (1) Championship.
That is one is 16 years. 9 of those years he had the true foundation of Spurs Championships, that being Duncan.

I personally wish he would have been moved on in summer 2007. (Actually 2004 but hey we got 2005).

Without either Duncan or Prime MVP level Kwa, he has been beyond bad. Now progressed into dumpster fire.

[Chomag]

I always believed he'd stay with the organization forever but eventually move into a more advisory or operations type of role. I can't believe he's still out there calling plays.
Out there calling plays is kinds subjective. That would mean he's coaching but he really doesn't seem to be doing much of that now.

[TDMVPDPOY]

didnt popabitch just sign a 80m contract? yeh u going to fire him to sit at home while collecting that money

[scott]

didnt popabitch just sign a 80m contract? yeh u going to fire him to sit at home while collecting that money

Per Spotrac, the contract is non-guaranteed. Don’t know how accurate that is though. My guess is there is some kind of pre-determined buy-out in there.

[spurraider21]

pop when he remembered that basketball teams usually play point guards

https://hypixel.net/attachments/drake-gif.3191502/

[paperboy77]

Even though the Spurs seem better at this point by doing what the rest of the universe already knew, Pop is still shit. Maybe I've settled down from firing him but I still support shitting on him. Just imagine if the "GOAT" coach followed everyone's advice! We might be the 5 seed or something. For that.. Pop need's to still be shit on.

He's just an old fuck I guess. Now, if Biden could still be salvageable like perhaps Pop is. Doesn't look like it tho.

[CapitalEmm]

The fact that since making some obvious and simple lineup changes the Spurs not only just pass the eye test, but also improve greatly according to metrics, reinforces the fact it’s time for Pop to go.



He’s done this being overly stubborn and arrogant shit his entire career but always had Tim and co. to bail him out. Now it’s getting exposed.

[hater]

The fact that since making some obvious and simple lineup changes the Spurs not only just pass the eye test, but also improve greatly according to metrics, reinforces the fact it’s time for Pop to go.



He’s done this being overly stubborn and arrogant shit his entire career but always had Tim and co. to bail him out. Now it’s getting exposed.


:lmao what a stupid take

[BacktoBasics]

Even though the Spurs seem better at this point, by doing what the rest of the universe already knew, Pop is still shit. Maybe I've settled down from firing him but I still support shitting on him. Just imagine if the "GOAT" coach followed everyone's advice! We might be the 5 seed or something. For that.. Pop need's to still be shit on.

He's just an old fuck I guess. Now, if Biden could still be salvageable like perhaps Pop is. Doesn't look like it tho.

What is wrong with you people? You bitch and moan about TDS. Then say the dumbest fucking shit about Biden.

Are you really so fucking retarded that you cannot go on your favorite teams forum after a big win and just talk basketball? You have to bring it back to politics of all things? Knowing that people are just fucking tired of people like you. No one wants to hear it? Just stfu and keep your dumb political beliefs out of it. Be a fan.

You people are the absolute worst drag on society.

[Seventyniner]

Per Spotrac, the contract is non-guaranteed. Don’t know how accurate that is though. My guess is there is some kind of pre-determined buy-out in there.

Just my speculation, but I bet it's a golden parachute and he will get the full amount of money whether he coaches the team, steps up to a front office only role, or just tours vineyards in France until the contract is up.

[Death In June]

What is wrong with you people? You bitch and moan about TDS. Then say the dumbest fucking shit about Biden.

Are you really so fucking retarded that you cannot go on your favorite teams forum after a big win and just talk basketball? You have to bring it back to politics of all things? Knowing that people are just fucking tired of people like you. No one wants to hear it? Just stfu and keep your dumb political beliefs out of it. Be a fan.

You people are the absolute worst drag on society.Weren't you mocking someone who lost their son to suicide the other day? I mean, annoying political talk aside, that's fucking vile.

[BacktoBasics]

Weren't you mocking someone who lost their son to suicide the other day? I mean, annoying political talk aside, that's fucking vile.
He’s vile and deserves every bit of it. These people are so sick their own kids become fodder.

[RC_Drunkford]

people are catching up


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoTY8sqKojw

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

lmao gilbert arenas

[Pauleta14]

Bomani Jones should be on tv a lot more

[ambchang]

I agree pop is totally out of it this year and last, but I don’t see it as pop losing the team because of lack of respect or that. It’s because he didn’t coach at all. They just let the team do whatever the hell they want out there.

[james evans]

Popovich is gonna keep losing until Wemby requests a trade. no one will force him to retire.

[Chomag]

This minutes restriction is getting ridiculous... you would think he tore an acl.

[MultiTroll]

What is a double team? :lmao

[Fizziksman]

What is a double team? :lmao

Pop sent three white guys to try to stop Embiid

[kace]

i haven't seen the game yet but i have two questions:


- do you think that Pop quote "hammer his ass", has fueled Embiid in one way or another ? and that it was a mistake ?

i know he said that jokingly but the medias are what they are and often, only the quote, without context, is published. so with Embiid, who loves all kind of individual accolades, it may have fueled him even more even if he was already probably focused to shine with all the hype around Victor, and them playing at the same position.

Weird joke from Pop, bad timing in my opinion. Not the best thing to do to make Victor comfortable before this game.

- did Pop double team Embiid ? I know that he's a beast and a free throws machine. and that he didn't score most of his points on Victor. But still, i'm not sure Victor liked that Embiid had an historic performance against him. Did Pop care enough to even try to prevent that ? Or did he think it was one of these "learning moments" ?

well, at least Wemby was good this game and the Spurs stayed in the game. we are better as a team now than in the begining of the season, that's for sure, as Victor is.

edit: i saw the extended highlights, obviously they tried to double him. Often late, maybe too weakly, but they tried. i will see it the whole game now.


edit 2: well, i saw the game: the double team were soft as hell. Pop didn't seem to try to really stop Embiid.

Say before the game, even as a joke, that your rookie phenom will hammer the ass of one of the best player in the league, who happens also to be a physical beast with a big ego and to care a lot about individual accolades.

Don't try to do whatever it takes to prevent this player to have an historical night by denying him the ball or double teaming him hard as soon as he has it.

Well, Pop sure does a lot of things to make Victor upset.....

[Atl Spur]

i haven't seen the game yet but i have two questions:


- do you think that Pop quote "hammer his ass", has fueled Embiid in one way or another ? and that it was a mistake ?

i know he said that jokingly but the medias are what they are and often, only the quote, without context, is published. so with Embiid, who loves all kind of individual accolades, it may have fueled him even more even if he was already probably focused to shine with all the hype around Victor, and them playing at the same position.

Weird joke from Pop, bad timing in my opinion. Not the best thing to do to make Victor comfortable before this game.

- did Pop double team Embiid ? I know that he's a beast and a free throws machine. and that he didn't score most of his points on Victor. But still, i'm not sure Victor liked that Embiid had an historic performance against him. Did Pop care enough to even try to prevent that ? Or did he think it was one of these "learning moments" ?

well, at least Wemby was good this game and the Spurs stayed in the game. we are better as a team now than in the begining of the season, that's for sure, as Victor is.

edit: i saw the extended highlights, obviously they tried to double him. Often late, maybe too weakly, but they tried. i will see it the whole game now.


edit 2: well, i saw the game: the double team were soft as hell. Pop didn't seem to try to really stop Embiid.

Say before the game, even as a joke, that your rookie phenom will hammer the ass of one of the best player in the league, who happens also to be a physical beast with a big ego and to care a lot about individual accolades.

Don't try to do whatever it takes to prevent this player to have an historical night by denying him the ball or double teaming him hard as soon as he has it.

Well, Pop sure does a lot of things to make Victor upset.....

Pop is his coach, not his fan boy! Victor needs all these experiences to figure out what it means to be a superstar in this league mentally & physically. He’ll remember how Joel made a point to bully / impose his will on him and hopefully like all the great ones return the favor in a few years.

[Russo21]

Pop is his coach, not his fan boy! Victor needs all these experiences to figure out what it means to be a superstar in this league mentally & physically. He’ll remember how Joel made a point to bully / impose his will on him and hopefully like all the great ones return the favor in a few years.

Yep cause having a dude go off on you for 60 points is a great learning experience �� Popsuckers will turn anything into a positive

[CGD]

i haven't seen the game yet but i have two questions:


- do you think that Pop quote "hammer his ass", has fueled Embiid in one way or another ? and that it was a mistake ?

i know he said that jokingly but the medias are what they are and often, only the quote, without context, is published. so with Embiid, who loves all kind of individual accolades, it may have fueled him even more even if he was already probably focused to shine with all the hype around Victor, and them playing at the same position.

Weird joke from Pop, bad timing in my opinion. Not the best thing to do to make Victor comfortable before this game.

- did Pop double team Embiid ? I know that he's a beast and a free throws machine. and that he didn't score most of his points on Victor. But still, i'm not sure Victor liked that Embiid had an historic performance against him. Did Pop care enough to even try to prevent that ? Or did he think it was one of these "learning moments" ?

well, at least Wemby was good this game and the Spurs stayed in the game. we are better as a team now than in the begining of the season, that's for sure, as Victor is.

edit: i saw the extended highlights, obviously they tried to double him. Often late, maybe too weakly, but they tried. i will see it the whole game now.


edit 2: well, i saw the game: the double team were soft as hell. Pop didn't seem to try to really stop Embiid.

Say before the game, even as a joke, that your rookie phenom will hammer the ass of one of the best player in the league, who happens also to be a physical beast with a big ego and to care a lot about individual accolades.

Don't try to do whatever it takes to prevent this player to have an historical night by denying him the ball or double teaming him hard as soon as he has it.

Well, Pop sure does a lot of things to make Victor upset.....

It was a freaking joke dude.

[CGD]

Yep cause having a dude go off on you for 60 points is a great learning experience �� Popsuckers will turn anything into a positive

Pop was clearly deploying the Kobe strategy on Embiid. Let the big guy eat all he wants, ice out his teammates, and selectively double to force the disengaged players to make shots. Embiid had an amazing night but he was also clearly gassed (dude has terrible conditioning still). Spurs “only” lost by 10; a better team will deploy this strategy during the playoffs and Philly will have to figure it out.

[spurraider21]

Yep cause having a dude go off on you for 60 points is a great learning experience �� Popsuckers will turn anything into a positive
Not sure how it isn’t a learning experience

[spurraider21]

Pop was clearly joking and i don’t think that bothers wemby. Same as the “we were going to destroy Derrick white” comments.

i do think pop wants opposing bigs to play with fire against wemby. No easy nights. He will learn not just by facing the best but also facing their best

that doesn’t excuse the failure to adjust on a night where the sixers shot the 3 poorly though

[manufan10]

I know that it was a joke, but what did Pop say the fans were doing when they boo'd Kawhi? Wouldn't this be along the same vein?

[Raven]

he's doing a great job, it is very obvious that the team is improving every game in terms of play choices, ballhandling and consistency. But damn, it is really frustrating to watch sometimes, the tank is obvious.

[RC_Drunkford]

i haven't seen the game yet but i have two questions:


- do you think that Pop quote "hammer his ass", has fueled Embiid in one way or another ? and that it was a mistake ?

i know he said that jokingly but the medias are what they are and often, only the quote, without context, is published. so with Embiid, who loves all kind of individual accolades, it may have fueled him even more even if he was already probably focused to shine with all the hype around Victor, and them playing at the same position.

Weird joke from Pop, bad timing in my opinion. Not the best thing to do to make Victor comfortable before this game.

- did Pop double team Embiid ? I know that he's a beast and a free throws machine. and that he didn't score most of his points on Victor. But still, i'm not sure Victor liked that Embiid had an historic performance against him. Did Pop care enough to even try to prevent that ? Or did he think it was one of these "learning moments" ?

well, at least Wemby was good this game and the Spurs stayed in the game. we are better as a team now than in the begining of the season, that's for sure, as Victor is.

edit: i saw the extended highlights, obviously they tried to double him. Often late, maybe too weakly, but they tried. i will see it the whole game now.


edit 2: well, i saw the game: the double team were soft as hell. Pop didn't seem to try to really stop Embiid.

Say before the game, even as a joke, that your rookie phenom will hammer the ass of one of the best player in the league, who happens also to be a physical beast with a big ego and to care a lot about individual accolades.

Don't try to do whatever it takes to prevent this player to have an historical night by denying him the ball or double teaming him hard as soon as he has it.

Well, Pop sure does a lot of things to make Victor upset.....

:pop: "You don't poke the bear. Can you stop booing? It's not who we are"

This arrogant fuck contradicts himself daily

[rankingtear]

Wemby is at 38 usage, scoring almost a point per minute in January. Watever Pop is doing is working.

[spurraider21]

I know that it was a joke, but what did Pop say the fans were doing when they boo'd Kawhi? Wouldn't this be along the same vein?
fans were booing kawhi in jest

not remotely the same

[MultiTroll]

I agree pop is totally out of it this year and last, but I don’t see it as pop losing the team because of lack of respect or that. It’s because he didn’t coach at all. They just let the team do whatever the hell they want out there.
That certainly merits respect.

[MultiTroll]

i do think pop wants opposing bigs to play with fire against wemby. No easy nights. He will learn not just by facing the best but also facing their best

that doesn’t excuse the failure to adjust on a night where the sixers shot the 3 poorly though
And Wama could not have learned by getting smoked several times by Embiid in say a 45-50 point performance?

You know if a coach with an iota of BBIQ sent in proper doubles. Not an attention whore Narcissist who's only looking forward to his post game photo ops.

[scott]

Seriously doubt Pop's pre-game impact played any role in Embiid going off :lol

[MultiTroll]

Agree. It was Pops in game incompetence. :lol

[scott]

I'll actually go the opposite way of this one. I don't care that Embiid went for 70. We lost by 10 to a far superior team while their star player had a career game, and generally hung in there. This game is at the bottom of the list of examples of why Pop needs to go.

[spurraider21]

Bucks just fired Adrian Griffin

Doc Rivers on the shortlist

[scott]

Bucks just fired Adrian Griffin

Doc Rivers on the shortlist

Bucks have the second best record in the Association and just fired their HC. Meanwhile, in San Antonio....

[z0sa]

Bucks have the second best record in the Association and just fired their HC. Meanwhile, in San Antonio....

"What have you done for me lately?" - Red Auerbach

Riding the GOAT talk to your grave despite record/results (which I don't think Pop even is, that's Red or PJ) is NOT common at all in sports, in any era.

[MultiTroll]

Bucks just fired Adrian Griffin

Doc Rivers on the shortlist
Is Griffin popping the owners wife or daughter.
I mean i have seen some Bucks game this year and while they look disoriented at times, 30-13.

Vs Doc Rivers what in the F-ing _uck!?

[TD 21]

Is Griffin popping the owners wife or daughter.
I mean i have seen some Bucks game this year and while they look disoriented at times, 30-13.

Vs Doc Rivers what in the F-ing _uck!?

National media half got their wish. They've been whining since Griffin was appointed, upset that Antetokounnmpo wanted him over their buddy, the unethical self promotor Nurse.

Unfortunately for them, Rivers, their favorite punching bag will be taking over instead of one of their preferred white buddies.

[baseline bum]

Well at least Tom will be good enough to get them to a 3-1 series lead

[RC_Drunkford]

If the Bucks hire Rivers that‘ll be hilarious. Especially once they lose to the Sixers in the playoffs

[KobesAchilles]

Is Griffin popping the owners wife or daughter.
I mean i have seen some Bucks game this year and while they look disoriented at times, 30-13.

Vs Doc Rivers what in the F-ing _uck!?
Thats Aaron Rodger’s girl tbh. Maybe it was the wife tho

[KobesAchilles]

But for real tho Lillard got him fired. Giannis doesn’t have the balls to do it and Lillard is a cold mfer. Probably didn’t like the way his coach treated Lillards old coach. Only way a coach of a winning team gets fired this early in the season is if the star players agree to it

[Barfunk]

Damn, is Giannas a coach killer?

[The Truth #6]

Last game with OKC was sort of a stark compare/contrast. Not just Victor vs Chet. Two youngest teams, yet two way different ways to rebuild. I don't think Pop is senile, I just think he started tanking way too late. Not many others share my theory, but I still believe the DDR years was all about Pop holding on to get his record. Now he has committed to tanking for last year and now this year evidently. You see OKC as a team that knew when to jump ship and aggressively tank. Hard to critique Presti now after last night.

As for what Pop does next, it feels like he's got momentum with tanking and I don't see him quickly changing directions until he is gone. Everything with San Antonio and the Spurs moves slowly.

The problem is the whole franchise is waiting for Pop to make his decision and no one will make him as far as I can tell.

I suppose beyond that the biggest issue is for the team to be able to evaluate talent. This draft will be a huge test to look through the pile of ambiguous talent for this year.

Anyway. Just rambling.

[ambchang]

The same people who used to clown presti and saying he’s overrated because of that PATFO link is now saying how they knew presti is good all along which is why he left PATFO.

[MultiTroll]

Damn, is Giannas a coach killer?
Sounding more like Liliard.

Altho hard, near impossible to believe they canned Griffith without Greeks approval.
He says he's very surprised. If he's not acting.

[scott]

So all the sniffers can start preparing their justifications when the Spurs don't reshape the roster this summer:


“It's been a good number of years to get where they are right now. It's the cycle of things. We were in that position for three decades and now we're starting over. And so we'll have to have the same patience and make good decisions in the draft,” Popovich said. “We don't want to skip any steps, we want to just do it the right way and have the people here that we want,” the longest tenured coach in NBA history revealed.

A far cry from:


Popovich continued: "Of course, we add a player with Victor's capabilities, and your prospects look a lot better. But this year, with development, I think one of the important factors to enhance that development is winning. So winning is as important this year as learning last year. So, they've got to continue to learn. But, adding more wins, I think, is appropriate, mandatory and helpful."

https://www.sacurrent.com/arts/san-antonio-spurs-fans-should-expect-wins-this-season-popovich-says-32772732

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I had a coworker accuse me of being too negative today. Bitch we are 8-36. Im just reading the standings you Popsucker.

[rankingtear]

Last game with OKC was sort of a stark compare/contrast. Not just Victor vs Chet. Two youngest teams, yet two way different ways to rebuild. I don't think Pop is senile, I just think he started tanking way too late. Not many others share my theory, but I still believe the DDR years was all about Pop holding on to get his record. Now he has committed to tanking for last year and now this year evidently. You see OKC as a team that knew when to jump ship and aggressively tank. Hard to critique Presti now after last night.

As for what Pop does next, it feels like he's got momentum with tanking and I don't see him quickly changing directions until he is gone. Everything with San Antonio and the Spurs moves slowly.

The problem is the whole franchise is waiting for Pop to make his decision and no one will make him as far as I can tell.

I suppose beyond that the biggest issue is for the team to be able to evaluate talent. This draft will be a huge test to look through the pile of ambiguous talent for this year.

Anyway. Just rambling.

Durant left in 2016. They agressively tanked after 4 years. Kawhi left in 2018 SA agressively tanked after 4 years.

[RC_Drunkford]

So all the sniffers can start preparing their justifications when the Spurs don't reshape the roster this summer:



A far cry from:



this is a clear sign of them overrating the roster

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Hard to believe Griffin was fired at 30-13 without an opportunity to coach a playoff. It’s the opposite extreme being demonstrated from a FO. The Bucks have some holes that are going to be exposed against top teams and those had nothing to do with who’s coaching.

Spurs have major holes in their roster as is being proven simply by inserting an average point guard into the starting lineup and seeing the +/- improve dramatically. Our FO is awful. Pop clearly doesn’t have his foot on the gas but maybe it’s just because he knows pushing this team too hard isn’t going to produce much more in the win column. And, that said, I’d argue his coaching drive is clearly not at the level it used to be.

[exstatic]

Hard to believe Griffin was fired at 30-13 without an opportunity to coach a playoff. It’s the opposite extreme being demonstrated from a FO. The Bucks have some holes that are going to be exposed against top teams and those had nothing to do with who’s coaching.

Spurs have major holes in their roster as is being proven simply by inserting an average point guard into the starting lineup and seeing the +/- improve dramatically. Our FO is awful. Pop clearly doesn’t have his foot on the gas but maybe it’s just because he knows pushing this team too hard isn’t going to produce much more in the win column. And, that said, I’d argue his coaching drive is clearly not at the level it used to be.

It was a wrong hire to begin with. Never should have hired a first timer for a team with championship expectations. They are a bottom feeder defense, masked by an acceptable record. One of the best podcasts I watched about this said that you have to have a defensive system, and stick with it. Budenholzer did, come hell or high water, and they were always good on D because the players knew what they were doing. Oh, and don’t lose your star player. Giannis refusal to come out of games showed that Griffin didn’t have the locker room. The Stotts incident showed that he was massively insecure, as well.

[Mugen]

Bellichick not being able to find a HC job :lol


Sounds about right tbh

[Spurminator]

So all the sniffers can start preparing their justifications when the Spurs don't reshape the roster this summer

We've never seen Pop take a bad team and make it good. That's not to downplay his success, he's had possibly the greatest NBA coaching run in history, but this is new territory.

I'm sure this has already been observed by others, but until now he's really only developed young players within the construct of a competitive team. Now that he's in this position it's almost like he thinks losing is a better teaching tool than winning, and that's a scary prospect for the next couple of years. When your head coach doesn't care about winning, that's toxic.

[offset formation]

It was a wrong hire to begin with. Never should have hired a first timer for a team with championship expectations. They are a bottom feeder defense, masked by an acceptable record. One of the best podcasts I watched about this said that you have to have a defensive system, and stick with it. Budenholzer did, come hell or high water, and they were always good on D because the players knew what they were doing. Oh, and don’t lose your star player. Giannis refusal to come out of games showed that Griffin didn’t have the locker room. The Stotts incident showed that he was massively insecure, as well.

Apparently the nail in the coffin was Griffin's obvious animosity toward Giannis' brother. Saying stuff like he didn't belong on the team, etc. That'll get pretty much any coach fired if your organization wants to keep an MVP around.

[exstatic]

Apparently the nail in the coffin was Griffin's obvious animosity toward Giannis' brother. Saying stuff like he didn't belong on the team, etc. That'll get pretty much any coach fired if your organization wants to keep an MVP around.

So, he’s an idiot, to boot. Jeez,that’s as bad as Mark Jackson going at Joe Lacob’s gay son with his fundamentalist outlook.

Stupidity will cost you jobs. Carrying an obvious gift to Giannis in the 15th roster spot won’t.

[RC_Drunkford]

Apparently the nail in the coffin was Griffin's obvious animosity toward Giannis' brother. Saying stuff like he didn't belong on the team, etc. That'll get pretty much any coach fired if your organization wants to keep an MVP around.

that’s a made up post :lmao why y’all taking every meme you see on the internet as serious information?

[Barfunk]

Sounding more like Liliard.

Altho hard, near impossible to believe they canned Griffith without Greeks approval.
He says he's very surprised. If he's not acting.

Yeah, freaking weird to fire a coach after having a 30-13 record.

[scott]

What do the Spurs do in practice?

[spurraider21]

What do the Spurs do in practice?
march of the penguins

[cutewizard]

Where's Becky when we need her

[spurraider21]

cia Pop sent Quin Snyder to Atlanta to ensure they send us a good 2025 pick. the hawks will then fire Snyder for his poor results, allowing him to replace Pop

[scott]

cia Pop sent Quin Snyder to Atlanta to ensure they send us a good 2025 pick. the hawks will then fire Snyder for his poor results, allowing him to replace Pop

:pop: Wait, you can get fired for poor results?

[timtonymanu]

Lamarcus said pop makes them learn about geography :lol.

Like honestly dude just retire and become a politician. I see pop more passionate about that than coaching. All this culture focus has just neutered all of our players into pussies. I won’t be surprised if CP becomes a soft player being here too.

[venitian navigator]

I don't se the reason on firing someone that's doing exactly what's been scheduled to do... Aka being a lottery team for the last season before starting the new spurs road. We need a second and third option and a bunch of veterans for winning...a structure that goes on for years. As of now we have the main player and maybe 2 pieces that can become for a long time, at least one of them, starters. I high on Castle and I like Vassell but the first one needs to learn the job and the second has too many health problems to be considered a stable second or third option. This is the last year we can gather some young and talented bodyes controlling in part our destiny (our pick). Frankly I think next season will be the one we'll use our assets and possibly our cap and or exceptions for defining the final structure of a contending team for next year
s...

[james evans]

What do the Spurs do in practice?
listen to popovich talk about Trump

[Ice009]

Lamarcus said pop makes them learn about geography :lol.

Like honestly dude just retire and become a politician. I see pop more passionate about that than coaching. All this culture focus has just neutered all of our players into pussies. I won’t be surprised if CP becomes a soft player being here too.

Funny you should bring this up. During one of the previous games, I was thinking to myself he's looking like a nice guy playing for the Spurs. He's not the same, scrappy player he was on other teams. Maybe it's early, or maybe it's age, or maybe he's just acting differently once he put on that Spurs uniform.

[Bill_Brasky]

Well Sochan has gotten better but I'm sure we'll purely credit the player for that one. The coaching is only an issue when the player doesn't get better, it's never the players fault....

[NASpurs]

Well Sochan has gotten better but I'm sure we'll purely credit the player for that one. The coaching is only an issue when the player doesn't get better, it's never the players fault....

Incredible amounts of sniff there. The amount of oxygen worldwide dropped 3%.

[Bill_Brasky]

Incredible amounts of sniff there. The amount of oxygen worldwide dropped 3%.

Whoops

:madrun Wemby cant score over a midget because Pop talked about Trump!!!!!!:madrun

[LeBowen]

Well Sochan has gotten better but I'm sure we'll purely credit the player for that one. The coaching is only an issue when the player doesn't get better, it's never the players fault....

I'm no basketball expert so I can't see any valid reason for Pop's Jeremy/Castle/Wesley lineup, could you please elaborate why did he ruin two consecutive games with it.
Because that's when both Rockets and OKC got the advantage.

Do you watch other games?
Replacing incompetent coaches instantly improved some teams for the better.
Darwin Ham was so bad that JJ Redick looks like a great coach compared to him.
Kenny Atkinson instantly unlocked the Cavs' potential with pretty much identical roster and they're even missing a starter.
Bud already improved the Suns offense.

What's Pop been doing for the past decade? Nothing except having everyone lose their minds over nonsensical lineups.
Remember Patty/Bryn/Marco lineups?
Started Bryn for two straight seasons when we were still trying to compete.

[Bill_Brasky]

I'm no basketball expert so I can't see any valid reason for Pop's Jeremy/Castle/Wesley lineup, could you please elaborate why did he ruin two consecutive games with it.
Because that's when both Rockets and OKC got the advantage.

Do you watch other games?
Replacing incompetent coaches instantly improved some teams for the better.
Darwin Ham was so bad that JJ Redick looks like a great coach compared to him.
Kenny Atkinson instantly unlocked the Cavs' potential with pretty much identical roster and they're even missing a starter.
Bud already improved the Suns offense.

What's Pop been doing for the past decade? Nothing except having everyone lose their minds over nonsensical lineups.
Remember Patty/Bryn/Marco lineups?
Started Bryn for two straight seasons when we were still trying to compete.

The closing lineup should be CP3/Castle/Vassell/Sochan/Wemby. For now I guess use Champagne or Wesley in place of Vassell I agree. Those rotations suck. But like, how many games are you really gonna win with a mid roster and your franchise savior giving you 6 points on 5 shots?

Also Darvin Ham is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen. Redick actually seems good although they got their asses completely kicked by Cleveland yesterday.

[LeBowen]

The closing lineup should be CP3/Castle/Vassell/Sochan/Wemby. For now I guess use Champagne or Wesley in place of Vassell I agree. Those rotations suck.


The issue is that starting/closing lineup is irrelevant if the bench lineups are dysfunctional and put us in an impossible position.
I don't think even two non-shooters is passable in today's league, three just make it impossible to score.
Mamu needs to get more minutes if he can keep shooting like he did in pre-season.


Also Darvin Ham is one of the worst coaches I've ever seen. Redick actually seems good although they got their asses completely kicked by Cleveland yesterday.

At this point I'm honestly not sure what's Pop's actual level since we haven't had any real tests since that Denver series that was years ago now.
He's a living legend, but what's the point of having a 75 year old in charge of a young team? Where's the long term project there? Better get someone who will grow with the team rather than retire in a couple of years.
We missed on too many coaches because Pop keeps on going and then you realize it's Brett Brown sitting next to thim. What a disaster.

[CGD]

This thread title reads like many editorial board and Op-Eds these days:

I’m a Republican Lifer. It’s time to Dump Trump.

[exstatic]

Well Sochan has gotten better but I'm sure we'll purely credit the player for that one. The coaching is only an issue when the player doesn't get better, it's never the players fault....
Malaki Branham is an absolute bucket now, 58% FG, 58% 3G, 70% EFG%.

[Bill_Brasky]

The issue is that starting/closing lineup is irrelevant if the bench lineups are dysfunctional and put us in an impossible position.
I don't think even two non-shooters is passable in today's league, three just make it impossible to score.
Mamu needs to get more minutes if he can keep shooting like he did in pre-season.



At this point I'm honestly not sure what's Pop's actual level since we haven't had any real tests since that Denver series that was years ago now.
He's a living legend, but what's the point of having a 75 year old in charge of a young team? Where's the long term project there? Better get someone who will grow with the team rather than retire in a couple of years.
We missed on too many coaches because Pop keeps on going and then you realize it's Brett Brown sitting next to thim. What a disaster.

I think that second Rockets game was winnable until that horrible ending lineup where Johnson/Branham were out there together.

Pop's an all time coach. He won because of TD but he also could have won 0 titles with TD. I don't expect him to continue for much longer.

[Pauleta14]

Whoops

:madrun Wemby cant score over a midget because Pop talked about Trump!!!!!!:madrun

Sochan's improvement is more related to his attitude/maturity and sustained efforts that are expected at his age and stage of his career.

We're expecting from the coaches to see improvements in his shooting but it looks worse.

The fact that Wemby sucks is irelevant

[z0sa]

Malaki Branham is an absolute bucket now, 58% FG, 58% 3G, 70% EFG%.

One of just a few black and silver linings this young season. Hope he keeps it up.

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop should‘ve quit once Duncan retired. He‘s been washed up for years now. The only coach who’s even more overrated than him is Doc Rivers.

[LeBowen]

Pop's an all time coach. He won because of TD but he also could have won 0 titles with TD. I don't expect him to continue for much longer.

Pop is obviously top3, if not top1 depending on your criteria.

But the problem is that current Pop is nowhere near peak Pop. It's just that it's way more difficult to see when a coach declines compared to players getting old.
I honestly want someone with peak Pop's mentality and not a laid back coach who keeps talking how some things are more important than basketball. They are, but we need our players to be at 100% every possession.

[Dverde]

Wemby will make coaches want to coach here. It’s a players league. I just hope they pick the right replacement when the time comes. No way Pop is getting fired this year.

[SpurSpike]

Let him finish the year and then pull a Biden on him, tell him he can stop gracefully or be forced out.

[Pauleta14]

Let him finish the year and then pull a Biden on him, tell him he can stop gracefully or be forced out.

If they pull a Biden it implies we'll end up with Brett Brown tho... ^^

[MultiTroll]

Wemby will make coaches want to coach here. It’s a players league. I just hope they pick the right replacement when the time comes. No way Pop is getting fired this year.
Problem is Lord Dipshit will probably have all the say in who gets hired to replace him.

I think the dipstick is going to finish out all 5 years of this current contract.

"Why wouldn't I?" :pop:

[exstatic]

Problem is Lord Dipshit will probably have all the say in who gets hired to replace him.

I think the dipstick is going to finish out all 5 years of this current contract.

"Why wouldn't I?" :pop:
I don’t think so. There were murmurs this summer about it being his last year, to the point where we were all picking our pet cats to replace him. Mine were Snyder and Will Hardy.

[objective]

At this point I'm honestly not sure what's Pop's actual level since we haven't had any real tests since that Denver series that was years ago now.


I think a bigger issue is that he absolutely FAILED that test against Denver and his horrid coaching lost them that series with his awful rotations.

I'll never forget how he could have won the series in game 2, Denver was such an inexperienced and young team that were completely rattled, and after winning game 1 in Denver, had the Spurs won game 2, they would have completely collapsed and quit. Instead when they had an 18 point lead in the first half he rolled out the Suicide Squad on defense of Marco-Forbes-Mills and it got completely wiped. So did Pop learn his lesson and adjust in the second half after getting another 18 point lead? NO. He rolled out the same fools who lost an 18 point lead in the 1st half and they DID IT AGAIN. Denver was ready to die in their crib but Pop kept them alive.

And then he ultimately lost the whole thing when he lost faith in and didn't know how to coach Derrick White. First of all, the only reason they were even in the playoffs was because of White excelling after returning from injury in the 2nd half of the season. Pop owed everything to White. And when he just lost interest in playing White in that series what did he expect?

People are going to bash White and some of the games where he did poorly, but the reality is he was just coached poorly. Look at him thrive in Boston. Theresa a reason why every Boston reporter says the biggest difference in White now compared to before is that he has a coach who believes in him. Not a tweak to his shooting form, not changing his body or his strength, not habits in the film room, COACHING.

AND Pop continued coaching him poorly the next year, not only not allowing him to compete for a starting job but REFUSING to ever even play him with Murray until the bubble. Thereby limiting his minutes to 24 a game off the bench automatically! So insanely stupid that Pop was intentionally avoiding playing a mature 25 year old White off the bench while in Boston he's starting every playoff game and getting 35+ minutes a game

Pop was an awful coach whose incompetence was ruining seasons 5 years ago, and he's even worse now.

[MultiTroll]

^ rack it. :clap

[poopbox]

Hasn't won 35 games in 5 years :lol

There is 0 hints of the coach from 2014:lol

Against the Rockets, this dipshit surrounded Victor with non shooters and then had Victor set screens for them like the fucking Rockets weren't just going to stand their and laugh :lol

Dude lost the plot years ago...I can't remember the last time I saw 5 straight games of competent coaching by this old windbag :lol

It's going to be funny watching Victor outgrow him. Seems like it's already happening.

[scott]

I love how there is an attempt at absolution for Pop by pointing out that he has a shit roster to deal with... AS THOUGH HE DIDN'T HAVE A ROLE IN THAT TOO

[RC_Drunkford]

I think a bigger issue is that he absolutely FAILED that test against Denver and his horrid coaching lost them that series with his awful rotations.

I'll never forget how he could have won the series in game 2, Denver was such an inexperienced and young team that were completely rattled, and after winning game 1 in Denver, had the Spurs won game 2, they would have completely collapsed and quit. Instead when they had an 18 point lead in the first half he rolled out the Suicide Squad on defense of Marco-Forbes-Mills and it got completely wiped. So did Pop learn his lesson and adjust in the second half after getting another 18 point lead? NO. He rolled out the same fools who lost an 18 point lead in the 1st half and they DID IT AGAIN. Denver was ready to die in their crib but Pop kept them alive.

And then he ultimately lost the whole thing when he lost faith in and didn't know how to coach Derrick White. First of all, the only reason they were even in the playoffs was because of White excelling after returning from injury in the 2nd half of the season. Pop owed everything to White. And when he just lost interest in playing White in that series what did he expect?

People are going to bash White and some of the games where he did poorly, but the reality is he was just coached poorly. Look at him thrive in Boston. Theresa a reason why every Boston reporter says the biggest difference in White now compared to before is that he has a coach who believes in him. Not a tweak to his shooting form, not changing his body or his strength, not habits in the film room, COACHING.

AND Pop continued coaching him poorly the next year, not only not allowing him to compete for a starting job but REFUSING to ever even play him with Murray until the bubble. Thereby limiting his minutes to 24 a game off the bench automatically! So insanely stupid that Pop was intentionally avoiding playing a mature 25 year old White off the bench while in Boston he's starting every playoff game and getting 35+ minutes a game

Pop was an awful coach whose incompetence was ruining seasons 5 years ago, and he's even worse now.

no lies detected here. I'll never forget Game 2 against the Nuggets. This dude thought calling a time out and telling them to defend would make them miraculously be able to play defense. Only for them to go back out there and completely lose the lead. Typical Pop antics. I also never understood why White spent his first year in the G-League, when Parker was out for like 30 games and then came back from his injury and White was already polished coming out of college.

[GAustex]

Once pop is gone things will start to get better

[KenziE]

Once pop is gone things will start to get better


im with this a hundred percent

[ambchang]

Tough to argue on this point. Pop really has lost the script for a few years, a lot of times the decisions are head-scratching at best. The team really hasn't improved much on offensive or defensive execution the last few years (yes, defence was better because we have Wemby), the rotations were odd to say the least, and the players appear to be just roaming aimlessly in game, but also in terms of skill development. I just cannot figure out what is going on.

Loved Pop, forever grateful for the 5 rings, 2014, 2003 and 2005 were just masterful coaching, but he has really lost it since Nephew neutered him.

[BackHome]

Pop is going to be 76 in January so Yeah I think he should look at hanging it up

[MultiTroll]

I don’t think so. There were murmurs this summer about it being his last year, to the point where we were all picking our pet cats to replace him. Mine were Snyder and Will Hardy.
Haven't there been "murmurs" since 2017 about it being his last year?

[Blizzardwizard]

There's a reason elite HCs across all sporting disciplines don't coach well into their 70s and, of those who try, very few achieve much of anything.


There's a ton of quantifiable evidence supporting the notion that elite sports simply evolves past coaches of a certain age but we're supposed to ignore all of it because Pop is Basketball Jesus apparently and anyone who says otherwise is a heathen who must be condemned.


Awesome!

[Guru of Nothing]

Has anyone suggested a GoFundMe to pay Belichick to speak the truth directly to Pop?

[MultiTroll]

Has anyone suggested a GoFundMe to pay Belichick to speak the truth directly to Pop?
Pop / Trump
Equal cementheads who will never step down voluntarily for the good of their teams.

[Tyronn Lue]

They won't fire him. He'll step down for health reasons, might remain in the FO for optics before he's asked to cease and desist. Not sure how you deliver that message to him though, plus the contract he signed.
Still curious to see if Pop returns to coaching full time vs some front office position.

[james evans]

There's a reason elite HCs across all sporting disciplines don't coach well into their 70s and, of those who try, very few achieve much of anything.


There's a ton of quantifiable evidence supporting the notion that elite sports simply evolves past coaches of a certain age but we're supposed to ignore all of it because Pop is Basketball Jesus apparently and anyone who says otherwise is a heathen who must be condemned.


Awesome!
the funny thing is that when I made this statement last season, mfers kept talking about how much of a genius pop is

[Mr. Body]

the funny thing is that when I made this statement last season, mfers kept talking about how much of a genius pop is

... except all the results you're seeing right now are because of what the staff has been developing.

Like, are people just terminally dumb nowadays? Maybe Pop ain't it any longer, but... is this just why this country is going to destroy itself? Because there's just no capacity to really think anymore, or look at information, it's just slimy emotional impulses amplified by inane chatter about it?

[The Truth #6]

Been happy with Mitch so far. He's modernized things but keeps continuity. Hopefully pop is not completely done and can create some sort of new coaching role or he oversees things but delegates to Mitch on the day-to-day basis or something like that.

[james evans]

Been happy with Mitch so far. He's modernized things but keeps continuity. Hopefully pop is not completely done and can create some sort of new coaching role or he oversees things but delegates to Mitch on the day-to-day basis or something like that.
Pop is done. You're holding onto him having one good year od coaching left is like that 38 year old welterweight trying to win the title one more time. It may happen, but the chances of a 40 year old ww beating the top guy does not happen often(Pacquia beating Thurman was no upset. Thurman was always overrated).

[libertarian4321]

Hasn't won 35 games in 5 years :lol

There is 0 hints of the coach from 2014:lol

Against the Rockets, this dipshit surrounded Victor with non shooters and then had Victor set screens for them like the fucking Rockets weren't just going to stand their and laugh :lol

Dude lost the plot years ago...I can't remember the last time I saw 5 straight games of competent coaching by this old windbag :lol

It's going to be funny watching Victor outgrow him. Seems like it's already happening.

Pop went from NBA loser/Division III college coach to "genius" the day Tim Duncan first walked onto the court.

His "genius" left the building as soon as Tim walked off the floor for the last time. Since Tim left, he's had a horrific record that would have gotten anyone else fired years ago.

I wonder if the Pomona-Pitzer job will be available next year so Pop has something to do.

[exstatic]

Pop went from NBA loser/Division III college coach to "genius" the day Tim Duncan first walked onto the court.

His "genius" left the building as soon as Tim walked off the floor for the last time. Since Tim left, he's had a horrific record that would have gotten anyone else fired years ago.

I wonder if the Pomona-Pitzer job will be available next year so Pop has something to do.

Post Tim, he won 61 games the first season, and averaged 52 for the first three seasons. It would have continued longer but for Kawhi snaking the franchise, forcing a trade that threw the roster out of balance.

You might try being less stupid, and actually doing some research before metaphorically stepping on your dick.

[The Truth #6]

Pop is done. You're holding onto him having one good year od coaching left is like that 38 year old welterweight trying to win the title one more time. It may happen, but the chances of a 40 year old ww beating the top guy does not happen often(Pacquia beating Thurman was no upset. Thurman was always overrated).

Sort of a tortured analogy. But I'm not arguing what you say I am. Wide range of options of what could happen. I'm sure the owners will hope to have Pop in the background even in a titular role.

[CorrectCrusader]

Pop should step aside. There is zero positives for him to continue trudging on at this age & health. He will only put the team and organization in a bad spot if he refuses.

[Jordan Jackson]

Umm. Pop is the President of the Spurs as well. He ain’t exactly about to fire himself as the coach. He will probably move upstairs and run things from his office Pat Riley style.

I can’t see Pop bringing in an “outsider” to coach the team. It’s going to be Mitch and probably always was going to be him. Just my guess.

[Tyronn Lue]

I don't know that being in an office vs being on the sideline would reduce stress for Pop. He'd have to get totally away from the game for that to happen, but that's not Pop. Pop seems to hate losing more than he likes winning, and the last few years have been particularly difficult in that regard, but at the same time Pop seems to love teaching new NBA arrivals. He seems to enjoy the process. I don't think coaching at that level with no real expectations to win puts undue strain on Pop's health.

[scott]

I had a minor stroke, probably way more minor than whatever Pop went through, a few years ago and it took me about 2 months before I felt like myself again (and I'm fully recovered with zero signs that it ever happened). But this happened to me at age 42, not age 75.

[stnick2261]

I had a minor stroke, probably way more minor than whatever Pop went through, a few years ago and it took me about 2 months before I felt like myself again (and I'm fully recovered with zero signs that it ever happened). But this happened to me at age 42, not age 75.

Glad you are doing better. I'm 42 right now and about 2 years into a physical- and mental- health journey myself. I've got a long way to go still, but I've got 4 kids and gotta take care of myself for them.

[BacktoBasics]

I had a minor stroke, probably way more minor than whatever Pop went through, a few years ago and it took me about 2 months before I felt like myself again (and I'm fully recovered with zero signs that it ever happened). But this happened to me at age 42, not age 75.

42 is way too young. Glad you recovered from that.

[scott]

Glad you are doing better. I'm 42 right now and about 2 years into a physical- and mental- health journey myself. I've got a long way to go still, but I've got 4 kids and gotta take care of myself for them.

Good stuff! Similar to where I've gone after that. I've basically cut out all alcohol and I try to eat as many natural foods as possible while still giving myself room to enjoy some indulgences when I need to. I'm in better shape now than since I was in my 20s and feeling great!

[ambchang]

Good stuff! Similar to where I've gone after that. I've basically cut out all alcohol and I try to eat as many natural foods as possible while still giving myself room to enjoy some indulgences when I need to. I'm in better shape now than since I was in my 20s and feeling great!

Good to know. I travelled a lot for work previously and gained close to 20 lbs in a year and a half. High bloody sugar levels, high blood pressure. Changed jobs partially because of it. Blood pressure went back to high-normal, blood pressure still high.

A few years went by, pandemic hit, finally have time to diet and exercised. Lost 25 lbs, blood sugar down to normal, poor pressure back to normal. Best shape of my life.

Take care my friend. Stroke is a bitch. A friend of mine had a relatively major one, she’s still have issues walking with a visible limp and will likely never get all her mobility back. It’s terrible.

[scott]

Good to know. I travelled a lot for work previously and gained close to 20 lbs in a year and a half. High bloody sugar levels, high blood pressure. Changed jobs partially because of it. Blood pressure went back to high-normal, blood pressure still high.

A few years went by, pandemic hit, finally have time to diet and exercised. Lost 25 lbs, blood sugar down to normal, poor pressure back to normal. Best shape of my life.

Take care my friend. Stroke is a bitch. A friend of mine had a relatively major one, she’s still have issues walking with a visible limp and will likely never get all her mobility back. It’s terrible.

Glad you are doing well! Keep that momentum going! Sorry about your friend, it’s definitely a scary experience. I had paralysis of the left half of my body for about a half hour when they dropped my blood pressure too fast in the ER, was one of the scariest moments of my life. Was head first in a CT Scanner when I regained movement and started balling :lol

[libertarian4321]

Post Tim, he won 61 games the first season, and averaged 52 for the first three seasons. It would have continued longer but for Kawhi snaking the franchise, forcing a trade that threw the roster out of balance.

You might try being less stupid, and actually doing some research before metaphorically stepping on your dick.

Without Tim, he's had 3 winning seasons 6 losing seasons (and has a 7th losing record this season). He's 331-391 (a losing record). I may be "stupid" compared to a genius like you, but I learned enough math getting 2 engineering degrees to know those aren't impressive numbers.

[exstatic]

Without Tim, he's had 3 winning seasons 6 losing seasons (and has a 7th losing record this season). He's 331-391 (a losing record). I may be "stupid" compared to a genius like you, but I learned enough math getting 2 engineering degrees to know those aren't impressive numbers.
I highlighted a sentence, and shot holes in it. Typical that you start moving the goalposts.

[libertarian4321]

I highlighted a sentence, and shot holes in it. Typical that you start moving the goalposts.

If that's "your truth," I'm sure you believe it.

Pop is still an awful coach when he doesn't have Tim. Maybe someday Wembanyama will be good enough to make Pop a "genius" again.

[Obstructed_View]

I highlighted a sentence, and shot holes in it. Typical that you start moving the goalposts.
You highlighted a sentence and built an amazing strawman, buddy. Your mom will be super proud of you. :lol