We executed what we wanted to execute

[baseline bum]

We played pretty good defense :lol (by letting them shoot 48% from the three)

We stuck together against a very good team :lol (a very good that had lost 7 of its last 8)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ndQhDEVPKk

[HemisfairArena]

This turkey neck fuck of a coach is taking a beating to his legacy like a pinata at a mexican kids birthday party,,,,he's to arrogant to step down.

[Pauleta14]

Pop made a ref to the 1st game Kawhi came back in SA when apparently fans ... didn't boo him?

Is it true?

[RC_Drunkford]

Pop made a ref to the 1st game Kawhi came back in SA when apparently fans ... didn't boo him?

Is it true?

He got dementia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XROs9ZnjrK4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7J9qwcixks

[cd98]

I’m shocked he didn’t call the Warriors fans classless when they cheered Wemby’s misses and the shot he had blocked.

[TheChillFactor]

Pop made a ref to the 1st game Kawhi came back in SA when apparently fans ... didn't boo him?

Is it true?

where was this, in the pregame comments?

[Pauleta14]

Yes. pre game interview (he speaks a lot more than after)

Pop would be shoked if he went to watch a football (soccer lol) game in (latin) europe

[Poolboy5623]

Yeah the Warriors are far from a "very good team."

[Bruno]

Pop criticizing players after that game would just be ill-advised.

This loss, and the 11 games L streak, is mostly on the front office and Pop. For the most part, I find players are doing what they can. I don't think they're giving up or playing selfishly/lazily. It would just be dishonest for Pop to throw them under the bus while at the same time he is hurting the team with a coaching focused on players development and not results.

[z0sa]

Pop criticizing players after that game would just be ill-advised.

This loss, and the 11 games L streak, is mostly on the front office and Pop. For the most part, I find players are doing what they can. I don't think they're giving up or playing selfishly/lazily. It would just be dishonest for Pop to throw them under the bus while at the same time he is hurting the team with a coaching focused on players development and not results.

Do you know about the current mentality of French fans in general, may I ask? Are they concerned for Wemby's development or was this type of (team) struggle somewhat expected for the 1st pick?

[Spurminator]

Pop criticizing players after that game would just be ill-advised.

This loss, and the 11 games L streak, is mostly on the front office and Pop. For the most part, I find players are doing what they can. I don't think they're giving up or playing selfishly/lazily. It would just be dishonest for Pop to throw them under the bus while at the same time he is hurting the team with a coaching focused on players development and not results.

There were plenty of executional gaffes yesterday that require accountability and that's a big part of many people's issues with the coaching recently. You hope some correction is going on behind the scenes but the Pop of old wouldn't be giving answers like this.

[Bruno]

Do you know about the current mentality of French fans in general, may I ask? Are they concerned for Wemby's development or was this type of (team) struggle somewhat expected for the 1st pick?

Honestly, I don't know.

[baseline bum]

Pop criticizing players after that game would just be ill-advised.

This loss, and the 11 games L streak, is mostly on the front office and Pop. For the most part, I find players are doing what they can. I don't think they're giving up or playing selfishly/lazily. It would just be dishonest for Pop to throw them under the bus while at the same time he is hurting the team with a coaching focused on players development and not results.

I don't think any of us think the players are lazy. They're directionless. Pop's the one being lazy.

[LeBowen]

Players can be criticized only if they underperform because of lack of effort.

Spurs have zero proven players on big contracts that woud be blamed for poor start of the season.

Youngsters are giving their best effort, but they're either not good enough or the gameplan isn't getting the best out of them.

That's up for everyone to decide, I think it's somewhere inbetween.

Pop is obviously trying something that can't work and by doing so is making the team look even worse than they actually are.

[Obstructed_View]

Players can be criticized only if they underperform because of lack of effort.

Spurs have zero proven players on big contracts that woud be blamed for poor start of the season.

Youngsters are giving their best effort, but they're either not good enough or the gameplan isn't getting the best out of them.

That's up for everyone to decide, I think it's somewhere inbetween.

Pop is obviously trying something that can't work and by doing so is making the team look even worse than they actually are.
They are consistently in the wrong place on defense, and they give up the highest percentage shots, whether twos or threes. They gamble for steals which results in defenders out of position, and they don't move the ball well on offense or move well without the ball, resulting in poor-quality shots. Add in their inconsistency and it's lethal.

I'm of the opposite belief from you. I think Pop isn't trying at all, because he relied on good players for too long and he has nobody either on the squad or on the bench to set the foundation. This is D'Antoni levels of failure to understand how to adjust.

[Pauleta14]

Do you know about the current mentality of French fans in general, may I ask? Are they concerned for Wemby's development or was this type of (team) struggle somewhat expected for the 1st pick?

except in football (soccer) french sports fans aren’t too emotional.

Victor doesn’t have yet the same impact than other stars like Mbappe. In part bc he hasn’t played any competition with the national team or had memorable games that would make him a public figure beyond sports fans. (France doesn’t have a huge sport culture compared to its neighbors)
In their majority they’re in a « wait and see » mode + Pop and the Spurs make them trust the process a lot more than US’s Spurs fans.
The fact that most don’t watch the games live helps as well.

[Trainwreck2100]

I don't think any of us think the players are lazy. They're directionless. Pop's the one being lazy.

What direction should they go in, this team as constructed is not good. At least they attempted to play some kind of defense

[Bruno]

I don't think any of us think the players are lazy. They're directionless. Pop's the one being lazy.

I guess I misunderstood your thread. I thought you wanted Pop to be harsher with the players.

I agree that Pop isn't really coaching the team and I don't see how he could given that he has decided to put Sochan as starting PG.

[Splits]

Last two games we've improved our season point differential from -13.4 to -12.9

https://media.tenor.com/Ulyy2ItvTuEAAAAC/thumbs-up-nod.gif

[LeBowen]

They are consistently in the wrong place on defense, and they give up the highest percentage shots, whether twos or threes. They gamble for steals which results in defenders out of position, and they don't move the ball well on offense or move well without the ball, resulting in poor-quality shots. Add in their inconsistency and it's lethal.

I'm of the opposite belief from you. I think Pop isn't trying at all, because he relied on good players for too long and he has nobody either on the squad or on the bench to set the foundation. This is D'Antoni levels of failure to understand how to adjust.

Eh, I still think they're in the wrong positions because Pop uses schemes that are either outdated or better suited for good defenders. And 8 out of 10 usual rotation players are straight up bad on defense.
Offense is self-explanatory due to lack of an actual floor general.

Pop didn't really have to try for like a decade when he had Manu and Tony, they were smart enough to figure it out alongside good assistants like Bud.
Pop was more focused on the mental game, didn't micro-manage plays and sets.

Still, he's a legend and he'll stay as long as he wants, but if you ask me, it was really questionable to start a new cycle with a 74 year old coach.
Especially when Bud is available.

[Tyronn Lue]

Pop criticizing players after that game would just be ill-advised.

This loss, and the 11 games L streak, is mostly on the front office and Pop. For the most part, I find players are doing what they can. I don't think they're giving up or playing selfishly/lazily. It would just be dishonest for Pop to throw them under the bus while at the same time he is hurting the team with a coaching focused on players development and not results.
This.

The Spurs could field a less embarrassing team if their financial plan including paying to win. It doesn't seem to. They sell it as as player development and don't mention that's a choice made over spending money.

[JeffDuncan]

This.

The Spurs could field a less embarrassing team if their financial plan including paying to win. It doesn't seem to. They sell it as as player development and don't mention that's a choice made over spending money.


The thing about that, teams are required to spend a certain amount. The Spurs haven’t been getting enough value for their money.

[baseline bum]

What direction should they go in, this team as constructed is not good. At least they attempted to play some kind of defense

They should go in the direction of running plays for the 7'5" guy within 15 feet of the rim instead of him always drifting to the three point line. It lets teams get away with guarding him with SF and SG that negate his ability to drive since they can pick his pockets pretty easily unlike if he's trying to face up against a big where his handle is good enough to be a huge advantage then. And everyone plays SFs against him because they know the team isn't going to get him the ball in good positions. This just let Victor play and do what he wants to see what the team has was fine for 5-10 games but Pop has to have a pretty good idea now and give him the ball at the three point line isn't working when it's not drawing opposing bigs out.

[Obstructed_View]

They should go in the direction of running plays for the 7'5" guy within 15 feet of the rim instead of him always drifting to the three point line. It lets teams get away with guarding him with SF and SG that negate his ability to drive since they can pick his pockets pretty easily unlike if he's trying to face up against a big where his handle is good enough to be a huge advantage then. And everyone plays SFs against him because they know the team isn't going to get him the ball in good positions. This just let Victor play and do what he wants to see what the team has was fine for 5-10 games but Pop has to have a pretty good idea now and give him the ball at the three point line isn't working when it's not drawing opposing bigs out.

This is wrong. You guys keep saying it but it's wrong.

Victor is not Tim Duncan. Victor is not David Robinson. Victor is a guy who faces up from outside the arc. It's what he did in France. He has struggled when he tries to get position because they just foul and hold him and he can't do anything with his back to the basket. People fantasizing that he has any back to the basket game blame his teammates for not passing to him.

Victor needs more touches, but it's because of the offensive possessions where he stands in the corner like Kyle Anderson waiting while nobody kicks the ball out. When he gets the ball at the perimeter nobody cuts and gives him space.

A solution for now is to give him the ball at half court and let him initiate the half court sets, where the expectation from his teammates is motion. He has good vision, can pass, can dribble and shoot. He will take better shots if he isn't denied touches for several possessions in a row. He also won't get tired out wrestling with defenders fruitlessly possession after possession.

[baseline bum]

This is wrong. You guys keep saying it but it's wrong.

Victor is not Tim Duncan. Victor is not David Robinson. Victor is a guy who faces up from outside the arc. It's what he did in France. He has struggled when he tries to get position because they just foul and hold him and he can't do anything with his back to the basket. People fantasizing that he has any back to the basket game blame his teammates for not passing to him.

Victor needs more touches, but it's because of the offensive possessions where he stands in the corner like Kyle Anderson waiting while nobody kicks the ball out. When he gets the ball at the perimeter nobody cuts and gives him space.

A solution for now is to give him the ball at half court and let him initiate the half court sets, where the expectation from his teammates is motion. He has good vision, can pass, can dribble and shoot. He will take better shots if he isn't denied touches for several possessions in a row. He also won't get tired out wrestling with defenders fruitlessly possession after possession.

Are you telling me you think he's ever going to develop the kind of handles Durant has at 7'5"? As of now Victor having the ball at the three point line is usually a turnover or a bad shot whenever he calls his own number.

[Obstructed_View]

Are you telling me you think he's ever going to develop the kind of handles Durant has at 7'5"? As of now Victor having the ball at the three point line is usually a turnover or a bad shot whenever he calls his own number.
He has a far better chance of developing KDs handles than he has a chance of gaining Jokic's bulk. He isn't a liability as a ball handler, but he is as a post player. He turns the ball over when he's out there on an island and has no good choices. That is the reason for the bad shot selection as well.

There's no motion in the offense, and Victor can't set screens yet. Putting the ball in his hands and adjusting the offense accordingly solves those problems.

[spurraider21]

He has a far better chance of developing KDs handles than he has a chance of gaining Jokic's bulk. He isn't a liability as a ball handler, but he is as a post player. He turns the ball over when he's out there on an island and has no good choices. That is the reason for the bad shot selection as well.

There's no motion in the offense, and Victor can't set screens yet. Putting the ball in his hands and adjusting the offense accordingly solves those problems.
Don’t need jokic bulk to be effective. Kevin Garnett wasn’t just chucking 3s and turning the ball over. And we just need Victor to abuse opposing SF/SF types in the post. Nobody here is asking him to battle with Embiid down low. You can bet your ass that if KG ever got switched and a small was defending him, he was going to back his ass down for an easy shot at the rim

[baseline bum]

He has a far better chance of developing KDs handles than he has a chance of gaining Jokic's bulk. He isn't a liability as a ball handler, but he is as a post player. He turns the ball over when he's out there on an island and has no good choices. That is the reason for the bad shot selection as well.

There's no motion in the offense, and Victor can't set screens yet. Putting the ball in his hands and adjusting the offense accordingly solves those problems.

No one's saying he needs to be a post player first and foremost. But he needs to be enough of a threat 15 feet and in that you can't get away with guarding him with a swing.

[Obstructed_View]

No one's saying he needs to be a post player first and foremost. But he needs to be enough of a threat 15 feet and in that you can't get away with guarding him with a swing.

I definitely agree that they need to figure out ways to get him touches near the basket, but getting him lanes through movement seems more aligned with his skillset. Movement is the key. Having teammates moving around him and getting him the ball while he's in motion. I trust his jumper to just let him shoot if they dare him to.

[Obstructed_View]

The Spurs' idea of post offense is 4 down, which should be called 4 stand around. Victor with four young players watching him struggle is just gonna get him beat up and worn out.

[Pauleta14]

The thing about that, teams are required to spend a certain amount. The Spurs haven’t been getting enough value for their money.

Wemby’s presence raised the value of the spurs franchise of more than 1 billion…

The money is not the issue. The stinginess of the owners or PATFO is

[exstatic]

Wemby’s presence raised the value of the spurs franchise of more than 1 billion…

The money is not the issue. The stinginess of the owners or PATFO is

They’re paying each young FRP as they become eligible, Lonnie excepted, and renting out their cap space, cutting the players, and eating the salary instead of dumping the picks or cutting young players. They are literally paying players like Bassey,Julian, and Mamu when they don’t have to. They could have just kept Payne, Bullock, and that other guy from the Cleveland trade, and saved money. That’s kind of the opposite of stingy.

[Pauleta14]

I meant Wemby is worth paying the luxury tax

[exstatic]

I meant Wemby is worth paying the luxury tax

And they will. It’s not like the salary cap, though. You can’t just sign guys up to the luxury tax. Your payroll has to grow over time through guys hitting their extensions or new contracts, trades, etc.

[Pauleta14]

thx for the explanation, I admit I don't know much about the actual CBA...

However I can't understand how the idea of having vets or players able to pass the ball didn't cross PATFO'S mind considering their jackpot/Franchise player NEEDS to be assisted to score efficiently...

It makes zero sense when u add that to Pop's preseason goal to start winning this year.

It directly impacts Wemby's bad shots selection unless they thought he would act like a role player, not minding receiving the ball/scoring...

I know you're one of those defending PATFO so pls explin me the logic, And pls don't bring the next draft, it's an even worst scenario that means Wemby will have to waste 1 or 2 more season waiting for a young PG's development.

thx

[Tyronn Lue]

I see comments about how Victor played in France. While that's all we knew of him, that probably won't translate directly to the NBA. Victor is likely going to have to develop moves in the post, like it or not. The benefit of his length and wingspan are somewhat nullified if all he does is stand out at the arc shooting ~27%. If he had KD's outside touch that's different. Victor is a collection of hard-to-impossible to find attributes and skills. There's no guarantee he will be a great NBA player but the odds are pretty high based on those attributes and skills. He could be great, maybe no Chet Holmgren but still.

[Pauleta14]

"maybe not Chet..." :lol:lol:lol

Nice troll

[Russ]

I see comments about how Victor played in France. While that's all we knew of him, that probably won't translate directly to the NBA. Victor is likely going to have to develop moves in the post, like it or not. The benefit of his length and wingspan are somewhat nullified if all he does is stand out at the arc shooting ~27%. If he had KD's outside touch that's different. Victor is a collection of hard-to-impossible to find attributes and skills. There's no guarantee he will be a great NBA player but the odds are pretty high based on those attributes and skills. He could be great, maybe no Chet Holmgren but still.

My how expectations have adjusted. :lol

On the bright side, Holmgren was considered a brittle bust this time last year. The despair of the moment always reigns supreme . . .

[baseline bum]

thx for the explanation, I admit I don't know much about the actual CBA...

However I can't understand how the idea of having vets or players able to pass the ball didn't cross PATFO'S mind considering their jackpot/Franchise player NEEDS to be assisted to score efficiently...

It makes zero sense when u add that to Pop's preseason goal to start winning this year.

It directly impacts Wemby's bad shots selection unless they thought he would act like a role player, not minding receiving the ball/scoring...

I know you're one of those defending PATFO so pls explin me the logic, And pls don't bring the next draft, it's an even worst scenario that means Wemby will have to waste 1 or 2 more season waiting for a young PG's development.

thx

They said they didn't want to make any expensive mistakes before they knew what they had. I took that as them saying they weren't going to pay Fred VanVleet $45 million a year or give up assets to trade for someone old and high dollar like James Harden or Damian Lillard. Personally I was hoping for Brook Lopez on a two year deal and maybe CP0 on a one or two year deal, but Milwaukee offered Lopez huge money plus a chance at a title and GSW looked like a contender when CP0 chose them. Spurs better fucking do something about the PG this summer though, and not just in the draft. Ugh that Collins deal is looking bad right now since without it the Spurs would probably have around $52 million in capspace instead of $36 million next summer, which means if they want to sign say OG Anunoby they'll have to move a first or two to clear the space. :pctoss