Bigger need for this team is a starting SF than PG

[Dejounte]

If Keldon is a permanent bench piece / traded later, then Julian is probably the biggest nothingburger (well, debatable between he and Sochan right now) in the starting line-up. If Vassell ascends as becomes a reliable night to night scorer, then all we’d need is a defensive ace a la Bruce Bowen. I’m all for Ryan Dunn in the upcoming draft or someone similar tbh.

[spurraider21]

we need a starter at every position other than SG and C :lol

we at least have capable backups at PG and SF

Cedi is has played about half of his minutes at the 4 though

[scott]

Agree here, which is why I've been saying our pick should be used to fill this position and the TOR pick for PG.

[Kurik]

Agree here, which is why I've been saying our pick should be used to fill this position and the TOR pick for PG.

This is the way, I like a lot of PGs in this draft but none with presumably a top 5 pick.

[Dejounte]

we need a starter at every position other than SG and C :lol

we at least have capable backups at PG and SF

Man, I was totally expecting this type of post lol

it’s like we have to preface any new topic with “yeah the whole team sucks!” Like it’s good to get that out of the way before talking about the actual topic lmao

[spurraider21]

Agree here, which is why I've been saying our pick should be used to fill this position and the TOR pick for PG.
champagnie's contract is pretty nice that its worth hanging onto. he's shown flashes and has good enough athletic traits for the position. he just doesnt really seem to know how to play off-ball and still have impact

[Chinook]

Long term, yes. Short-term no. The Spurs need to create a functional rotation first and a contending rotation second.

[Dejounte]

Long term, yes. Short-term no. The Spurs need to create a functional rotation first and a contending rotation second.

It seems like the team would be functional if they stopped allowing the opposing team to score 20 pts in a 1-minute window.

[Joseph Kony]

I think they are equally important tbh. Having a legit SF would be nice, but if no one can actually run the offense we're still going to be ass regardless

[heyheymymy]

Especially need a starting caliber SF considering Doug will likely be gone depth-wise. KJ and Champ are not enough and I feel like Cedi plays more PF

[heyheymymy]

Was watching UV the other night and Dunn was disrupting so much opposing offense

He seems kinda slow, lumbering and maybe hyper specialized defensively but I liked his length and defensive IQ

[CorrectCrusader]

I'm still on the Risacher train

[Mugen]

More importantly, they need a new coach that will actually play a good 3 at the 3 :lol

[heyheymymy]

Mugen has now been successfully added to your ignore list. You will now be returned to where you were.

[BackHome]

I'm still on the Risacher train

I go back and forth from Risacher to Williams as I think Risacher is your 3 and D guy and Williams can do that but also handle the ball and he has more upside. What I like is that I think both will gel pretty fast with Wemby as both are not selfish and get there offense in the flow of the game.

This is going to be a crazy draft I think it is going to have changes week to week and we probably will not know who the top 5 will be until they are picked. I also think there might be more trades as now the draft is two days instead of one so a lot more time for trade talks to happen

[CorrectCrusader]

Mugen has now been successfully added to your ignore list. You will now be returned to where you were.

Declaring that you ignored someone is womanly

[CorrectCrusader]

I go back and forth from Risacher to Williams as I think Risacher is your 3 and D guy and Williams can do that but also handle the ball and he has more upside. What I like is that I think both will gel pretty fast with Wemby as both are not selfish and get there offense in the flow of the game.

This is going to be a crazy draft I think it is going to have changes week to week and we probably will not know who the top 5 will be until they are picked. I also think there might be more trades as now the draft is two days instead of one so a lot more time for trade talks to happen

You talking about Cody? I haven't watched him, I'll check him out

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Long term, yes. Short-term no. The Spurs need to create a functional rotation first and a contending rotation second.

Well said Chinook.

This is random, but what do you think about Sochan? I can’t see what long term role he can play as he just doesn’t seem very good…at all.

[heyheymymy]

Since we're identifying bitch ass moves what do you call a broken record junking up threads squawking the same parrot line repeatedly

We're in here talking about SFs and I'd love to hear their take on it but instead it's shoehorning in the same cliche off topic blast

And not like I'm the fount of basketball wisdom God-tier takes myself, but I mean, dually noted, I assure you, so let's hear literally any other thoughts for a change.

I suggest others join me and refine their ST experience.

[CGD]

I agree and think they should draft one with their natural pick first (Risacher or Williams), and then address PG with TOR pick or trade.

[BackHome]

You talking about Cody? I haven't watched him, I'll check him out

I think the only reason he is not higher on most mocks is he is currently injured but he should be coming back soon as he was questionable the last game against Arizona. Another mention is that I only see 3 SF going in the top 10 of the draft and that is Risacher, Williams, and Buzelis. Of the 3 Risacher is probably the only one who could help on day 1 with his shooting and defense - Williams I think is going to take some time to put on some weight but I just like his potential slightly more - Someone is going to take Buzelis as he has high upside but until he shows he can hit the 3 ball I am just not sure

[CGD]

I think the only reason he is not higher on most mocks is he is currently injured but he should be coming back soon as he was questionable the last game against Arizona. Another mention is that I only see 3 SF going in the top 10 of the draft and that is Risacher, Williams, and Buzelis. Of the 3 Risacher is probably the only one who could help on day 1 with his shooting and defense - Williams I think is going to take some time to put on some weight but I just like his potential slightly more - Someone is going to take Buzelis as he has high upside but until he shows he can hit the 3 ball I am just not sure

Holland will also go in the Top 10, and someone is going to fall in love with the other french kid too. So more like 5 of the top 10 in my estimation. I also think Sarr and Ja'kobe go before the first PG.

[BackHome]

Your right CGD - If he was a legit 6'8 I might take a chance but pretty sure he is only 6'6 but man oh man is he explosive. That is another thing to consider if your team does not have a Unicorn I think you might reach more for a potential All Star then let's say a decent starting player for your team if you land in the top 7 of the draft.

I agree with you Sarr will probably go 1 but if we luck out and get the 4th pick and Sarr, Riscacher, and Williams are off the board I am probably going to take Topic over Ja'Kobe as we all ready have Vassell

[Chinook]

Well said Chinook.

This is random, but what do you think about Sochan? I can’t see what long term role he can play as he just doesn’t seem very good…at all.

My current read is that he had a lot of work on to shore up the flashes in from last year, and the Spurs wasted a summer trying to add skills he didn't need instead. I've never been in love with Sochan's defense, but he is still a big body out there, and it's weird how ineffective he seems to be in using his size against both big and small players. I'm not as long on him as some have gotten though. Like timvp giving him and F was ridiculous and a weird overcorrection for giving him too many Bs before. He (and Champ for that matter) did a lot of good last night. But like with Keldon, I think people's opinions are lagging behind reality a bit.

[Seventyniner]

My current read is that he had a lot of work on to shore up the flashes in from last year, and the Spurs wasted a summer trying to add skills he didn't need instead. I've never been in love with Sochan's defense, but he is still a big body out there, and it's weird how ineffective he seems to be in using his size against both big and small players. I'm not as long on him as some have gotten though. Like timvp giving him and F was ridiculous and a weird overcorrection for giving him too many Bs before. He (and Champ for that matter) did a lot of good last night. But like with Keldon, I think people's opinions are lagging behind reality a bit.

I totally read that as Collins instead of Sochan. Interchangeable in this context tbh.

[KobesAchilles]

Sochan had so much he needed to work on the fit with the team and ended up working on zero of his issues and instead we just added more issues to him. It’s textbook how not to develop a player

I actually agree with Dejounte on the SF part. KJ doesn’t need to go. Not if he’s willing to be a bench player. Sochan I believe also needs to be a bench player but that can be in 2 years. It isn’t an immediate issue that needs to be fixed (and by then maybe he does actually work on what he NEEDS not what Pop thinks). Having KJ locked in (and since he’s already been paid) makes him a great bench player.

I want PG13 on our team. I love his work ethic, his professionalism, his leadership, his ability to defer when he needs to and take over when he needs to, and he’s a very supportive dude in the locker room. He’s my dream pick up for the team. If we can’t manage that (and I would give up a high draft pick for him tbh) then I think we draft one with our pick and get a PG with the Toronto pick. I would then in that case sign Gordon Hayward. The dude is a perfect fit for us offensively, and I’d rather surround Wemby with people who actually know how to play the game instead of people who can’t even run a pick n roll or lob it to him. Also Brunson is a FA in 2025 if we want to wait for a PG. NYK can match of course but will they?

[SouthernFryd]

I really...REALLY like DUNN.

Extremely smart defensive player. Athletic and perfect size. I love this pick.

The Spurs need Smart players. We only have Wemby right now. The Spurs biggest issue ain't Defense...or, shooting...or whatever. It's lack of smarts. We have some really low BBIQ players. Sochan being at the bottom. How many times we gotta see him clog the lane or run into players on offense cuz he don't know where he's at or what he's doing?

It was a breath of fresh air watching DUNN's youtube clips.

[TimmehC]

Dunn has next level instincts, especially on defense. His 3-point shooting is a disaster, but he's much better inside the arc and there are other guys in this draft(i.e. Sheppard) who can space the floor well.

I'm all for attempting to build the league's strongest defense, because that's probably your best option for winning with Wemby.

[DrSteffo]

Dunn cannot shoot so is not worthy of a top 10 pick in my opinion. In another universe he can shoot and is a top 5 pick because his D is scary good.

Fortunately, this draft is loaded with PGs and SFs in the top 10 and lottery. I have a difficult time ranking Topic, Castle, Diilingham, Sheppard, and perhaps Collier., Carrington, Wagner. I think we should draft one of them and a SF (or combo F) like Risacher, Williams, Holland, Salaun or Buzelis if we get the Raptor's pick. If we have two picks it's not given to draft a PG with the first one.

[CorrectCrusader]

We need 3 & D wings & playmaking guards. That's the strategy for success with Wemby a 2 way menace.

[DAF86]

I really...REALLY like DUNN.

Extremely smart defensive player. Athletic and perfect size. I love this pick.

The Spurs need Smart players. We only have Wemby right now. The Spurs biggest issue ain't Defense...or, shooting...or whatever. It's lack of smarts. We have some really low BBIQ players. Sochan being at the bottom. How many times we gotta see him clog the lane or run into players on offense cuz he don't know where he's at or what he's doing?

It was a breath of fresh air watching DUNN's youtube clips.


Dunn has next level instincts, especially on defense. His 3-point shooting is a disaster, but he's much better inside the arc and there are other guys in this draft(i.e. Sheppard) who can space the floor well.

I'm all for attempting to build the league's strongest defense, because that's probably your best option for winning with Wemby.

I don't know who that Dunn kid is but if he can't shoot, just stop it. The last thing this roster needs is another non-shooter.

[Dejounte]

I don't know who that Dunn kid is but if he can't shoot, just stop it. The last thing this roster needs is another non-shooter.

The Spurs don’t need volume shooters at every position, especially in the starting line up where Vassell will take up all those outside shots. They just need to shoot at a respectable percentage like Sochan is already doing with 2-3 attempts per game. This team won’t ever be constructed like how the Warriors were— people need to get that out of their minds.

[DrSteffo]

Sochan is a much better shooter than Dunn. Dunn's FT% is 59.6 and his 3P% 19%. Sochan's FT% 76.8 and 3P% 36.5, Dunn has stopped shooting 3s. I don't think we can afford to have a bad shooter or nonshooter at F. Dunn needs to go to a really good team which has room for a specialist. (Ausar Thompson would also fit much better on a team like that).

[CGD]

Sochan is a much better shooter than Dunn. Dunn's FT% is 59.6 and his 3P% 19%. Sochan's FT% 76.8 and 3P% 36.5, Dunn has stopped shooting 3s. I don't think we can afford to have a bad shooter or nonshooter at F. Dunn needs to go to a really good team which has room for a specialist. (Ausar Thompson would also fit much better on a team like that).

Yikes

[SouthernFryd]

The problem with the NBA...and most of its fans it seems...is the obsession with "shooting" and offense.

I could give a damn whether Dunn can shoot a 3 or not. His Defense is next level. Everyone on the SPURS right now are supposed "shooters" and offense guys. There ain't a Defensive guy on the team, except Wemby. Where has that got us? Bottom of the league.

The problem with the Spurs ain't shooting or offense. We don't need "better" shooters. Everyone on the Spurs right now think they're a scorer...when most are not. Vassell and Wemby are the only legit scorers. I'd trade Keldon for Dunn in a heartbeat. We need less shooters. But, what we really need is Defense and more BBIQ. DUNN has both. And guess what happens when you have DUNN and WEMBY inside? The other 3 players don't have to collapse on defense anymore. They can stay outside and actually guard the 3 point line.

This game ain't hard folks.

And, coincidentally...that's the main problem with the NBA today overall. Everyone is looking for the next Curry. The game has really suffered as a result...and the SPURS are the poster child

[KobesAchilles]

The Spurs don’t need volume shooters at every position, especially in the starting line up where Vassell will take up all those outside shots. They just need to shoot at a respectable percentage like Sochan is already doing with 2-3 attempts per game. This team won’t ever be constructed like how the Warriors were— people need to get that out of their minds.
Volume shooters? Like shooters shooting a lot? Or shooters being able to shoot? Bc we need that desperately. Sochan started the year hot but is on a major downswing on shooting the 3ball. He has only made 3 in the last 5 games. He doesn’t even make 1 a game and isn’t a floor spacer at all. I’d argue that we have zero shooting around Wemby besides Vassell. He needs floor spacers. Collins, Sochan, Tre all can’t shoot. Having shooters around Wemby is the way to go. Which is why I want Dilly and a SF who can shoot

[The Truth #6]

Dilly and Risacher make sense if everything falls into place. And in another scenario is we're drafting something like five with our pick and 10 or 11 with the Toronto pick. In that case, just spitballing, maybe you have to take Dilly with our pic and then someone like Dunn or Holland if he's falling with the Toronto pick.

[Knoxxx]

PG13 is old, though.

[TD 21]

The Spurs don’t need volume shooters at every position, especially in the starting line up where Vassell will take up all those outside shots. They just need to shoot at a respectable percentage like Sochan is already doing with 2-3 attempts per game. This team won’t ever be constructed like how the Warriors were— people need to get that out of their minds.

One is not nearly enough. You need at least 3-4 credible 3-point threats among your best lineup(s) today.

Sochan (slow release, % inflated due to combination of low volume and shooting wide open catch and shoot) types don't qualify.

A threat is someone defenses won't disregard to pack the paint.

[Ditty]

Cooper Flagg in 2025.

[SouthernFryd]

It's like mentioning getting a Defensive player on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA...is sacrilege! Even getting just 1 good defensive guy on a team with none..."OMG! We don't need a defensive player...we need more and better scorers."

When you have a shyt draft like this, you get the best guy in the Draft. Dunn is the best Defensive player I've seen in a long time. In this age where everyone is looking to get another Curry, just the fact that DUNN has rose so high, basically on Defense and smarts alone (watch how he sees the court and how and "where" he sets picks)....that's something special. Don't pass this one up. IMHO :)

[onechance87]

It's like mentioning getting a Defensive player on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA...is sacrilege! Even getting just 1 good defensive guy on a team with none..."OMG! We don't need a defensive player...we need more and better scorers."

When you have a shyt draft like this, you get the best guy in the Draft. Dunn is the best Defensive player I've seen in a long time. In this age where everyone is looking to get another Curry, just the fact that DUNN has rose so high, basically on Defense and smarts alone (watch how he sees the court and how and "where" he sets picks)....that's something special. Don't pass this one up. IMHO :)

nope....ausar thompson is also special on the defensive end...Yet hurts his team cause he cant do nothing on offence..Pretty much 5 on 4 cause
hes so bad at shooting

[Dejounte]

One is not nearly enough. You need at least 3-4 credible 3-point threats among your best lineup(s) today.

Sochan (slow release, % inflated due to combination of low volume and shooting wide open catch and shoot) types don't qualify.

A threat is someone defenses won't disregard to pack the paint.

Again, the % isn’t inflated if the low volume is purposeful and the hypothetical is that the line-up he’s in has enough volume shooters already. Since when was being a catch and shooter who shoots at low volume whose central focus are other things on the court because the other players already do it a bad thing?

I wouldn’t want every player on the court with Wemby to be each shooting 4-5+ threes a game. And we shouldn’t penalize a player’s skill who’s not shooting that often because that’s not the expectation in the first place.

[Dejounte]

And before anybody confuses that post as a defense of Sochan as a whole— it is not. He has been below average at other things on the court. It would be nice if the Spurs could get someone like a more physical Tobias Harris: bruises inside, gets key rebounds, has a mid range pull up and post game, and occasionally will be on the perimeter for a catch and shoot 3.

I just don’t think the future PF guy next to Wemby should be anything like McDermott whose sole purpose is to run around and shoot 3’s. Something’s got to give in the paint to the mid range area— that job has to be shared between Wemby and another guy.

[CGD]

Cooper Flagg in 2025.

We’ll have two cracks at it!

[SOMA Spur]

I too like Dilly and Risacher, but doubt we could get both with our picks. I could see them taking the SF Risacher first then seeing which guard is available, someone like Reed (if Topic and Dilly are off the board). Risacher/Reed could be a nice combo of shooting and potential defense to add to the club. But I'm kind of selfish and really just want to walk away from this draft with Dilly. His brand of basketball alongside Wemby would be electric. Take the PG Dilly first then see which SF is available around pick 10. I'm intrigued by this Tidjane Saluan kid. I like his hustle, athleticism, and surprisingly his three point shot looks beautiful. Now that Topic is on the shelf for the next 2 months, gonna watch more of this kid and see how he develops.

[DAF86]

The Spurs don’t need volume shooters at every position, especially in the starting line up where Vassell will take up all those outside shots. They just need to shoot at a respectable percentage like Sochan is already doing with 2-3 attempts per game. This team won’t ever be constructed like how the Warriors were— people need to get that out of their minds.

We don't need volume shooters, but we need real shooters that opposing defenses actually respect. Sochan's 2 or 3 3pt attempts do you no good when our rivals just sag off him all game long cloging up our spacing. Now imagine having two of those on your team (Sochan and Tre) and actually wanting to add a 3rd one. That's just awful roster building. This team desperately needs some actual real shooters.

[JeffDuncan]

It's like mentioning getting a Defensive player on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA...is sacrilege! …


Not that it’s sacrilege, it’s naive. The refs will put a hard-nosed defender on the bench with three fouls in the first five minutes of the game. You want to waste a draft pick on that?

[rascal]

We need 3 & D wings & playmaking guards. That's the strategy for success with Wemby a 2 way menace.

If the Spurs can somehow get Mikal Bridges on this roster for the veteran that would be perfect.

[mo7888]

And before anybody confuses that post as a defense of Sochan as a whole— it is not. He has been below average at other things on the court. It would be nice if the Spurs could get someone like a more physical Tobias Harris: bruises inside, gets key rebounds, has a mid range pull up and post game, and occasionally will be on the perimeter for a catch and shoot 3.

I just don’t think the future PF guy next to Wemby should be anything like McDermott whose sole purpose is to run around and shoot 3’s. Something’s got to give in the paint to the mid range area— that job has to be shared between Wemby and another guy.

I liked and still like Jarace Walker next to Wemby. I wonder if a Sochan/ Walker swap might benefit both guys..

[CorrectCrusader]

If the Spurs can somehow get Mikal Bridges on this roster for the veteran that would be perfect.

It would be perfect yeah.

[Kurik]

To me at this point, Risacher or Walter and one of Dillingham or Sheppard would really fill some gaps. If Topic falls to the Toronto pick I’d be good with that too.

[spurraider21]

Again, the % isn’t inflated if the low volume is purposeful and the hypothetical is that the line-up he’s in has enough volume shooters already. Since when was being a catch and shooter who shoots at low volume whose central focus are other things on the court because the other players already do it a bad thing?

I wouldn’t want every player on the court with Wemby to be each shooting 4-5+ threes a game. And we shouldn’t penalize a player’s skill who’s not shooting that often because that’s not the expectation in the first place.
Welcome to being a good team in 2024

Boston has the best starting 5 in the league and their lowest volume 3pt shooter averages 4.5 attempts and makes 42% of them. Giannis is the only starter on the Bucks who doesn’t shoot more than 4 per game.

Everyone one the clippers gets them up besides zubac.

only Gordon doesnt shoot more than 3 for denver. Same with gobert for minnesota

[mo7888]

If the Spurs can somehow get Mikal Bridges on this roster for the veteran that would be perfect.

I'd give a good bit for him.... but probably not as much as they'd want

[CorrectCrusader]

To me at this point, Risacher or Walter and one of Dillingham or Sheppard would really fill some gaps. If Topic falls to the Toronto pick I’d be good with that too.

Agree fully.

[CorrectCrusader]

Welcome to being a good team in 2024

Boston has the best starting 5 in the league and their lowest volume 3pt shooter averages 4.5 attempts and makes 42% of them. Giannis is the only starter on the Bucks who doesn’t shoot more than 4 per game.

Everyone one the clippers gets them up besides zubac.

only Gordon doesnt shoot more than 3 for denver. Same with gobert for minnesota

You know ball.

We need every player to be at least a threat so the defense can't implode to the paint. It will make Wembys job much easier, and the rest of the offense easier.
Brook Lopez works with Giannis because he can shoot, frees up the lane on offense for Giannis.

You don't want players who can't shoot from behind the arc, it hurts your offense tremendously in the modern NBA. You can only really have 1 non-shooter on the floor MAX at any point. You see this with the lakers currently.

[TDMVPDPOY]

You know ball.

We need every player to be at least a threat so the defense can't implode to the paint. It will make Wembys job much easier, and the rest of the offense easier.
Brook Lopez works with Giannis because he can shoot, frees up the lane on offense for Giannis.

You don't want players who can't shoot from behind the arc, it hurts your offense tremendously in the modern NBA. You can only really have 1 non-shooter on the floor MAX at any point. You see this with the lakers currently.

that bucks game, u see how lopez or any fkn clown bigger then him was pushing him around on the floor... he needs to put on muscle, maybe similar to giannis when he came into the league or like golbert....

[Harry Callahan]

The lack of ball pressure and general "want to" on defense is the key reason for the large, losing margins along with no starting quality NBA point guard. Uncontested threes in huge volume is getting old the last couple of years.

There are situations when very good PGs can be had even in the late first, early second round due to "Old" players with a lot of college experience (Brunson for example) or a Euro that might have a short term contract issue (Dragic).

I just hope the FO's scouting team is equipped to make correct evaluations going forward. At least SA will have a large number of draft opportunities in the next five years to turn the talent level around. Signing a vet or two will be necessary too due to the recent draft whiffs from 2018-2022.

[scott]

The Spurs rank 29th in the league in 3P%, and I really just read on this here website that we have enough shooters?

[KobesAchilles]

The Spurs rank 29th in the league in 3P%, and I really just read on this here website that we have enough shooters?
You have to look at the poster who says it tbh. They are trolls or don’t watch other teams at all. There’s nobody who watches contending championship teams and says we don’t need more shooting or even volume shooters. We need good volume shooters from the outside. Literally every good team has high volume good 3 point shooters. We have one and he struggles bc he’s the only shooter

[Dejounte]

You have to look at the poster who says it tbh. They are trolls or don’t watch other teams at all. There’s nobody who watches contending championship teams and says we don’t need more shooting or even volume shooters. We need good volume shooters from the outside. Literally every good team has high volume good 3 point shooters. We have one and he struggles bc he’s the only shooter
Give me a break. Up until now it’s been a civil discussion but then you run into an opposing view and can’t help resort to personal attacks.

[TD 21]

Again, the % isn’t inflated if the low volume is purposeful and the hypothetical is that the line-up he’s in has enough volume shooters already. Since when was being a catch and shooter who shoots at low volume whose central focus are other things on the court because the other players already do it a bad thing?

I wouldn’t want every player on the court with Wemby to be each shooting 4-5+ threes a game. And we shouldn’t penalize a player’s skill who’s not shooting that often because that’s not the expectation in the first place.

It's still inflated and largely irrelevant because he's essentially taking practice shots and not spacing the floor because the volume is so low and the track record so limited.

They have one credible volume 3-point shooter that plays significant minutes and only two others (Champagnie) worth regarding from 3.

Everyone doesn't need to be a "laser", but more than one do or even if they get a quality playmaker, they'll be the Lakers, who have mostly been a poor half court offensive team in the James/Davis era.

[KobesAchilles]

Give me a break. Up until now it’s been a civil discussion but then you run into an opposing view and can’t help resort to personal attacks.
It’s not personal. But it’s so wrong that it begs the issue of whether or not you watch other teams. And I’m still being civil. If you’re not a troll (and that’s seemingly the only non personal reference in my statement) then you are the latter. It’s ok to admit it

[mo7888]

It’s not personal. But it’s so wrong that it begs the issue of whether or not you watch other teams. And I’m still being civil. If you’re not a troll (and that’s seemingly the only non personal reference in my statement) then you are the latter. It’s ok to admit it

You've been here long enough to know Dejounte isn't a troll...

[Dejounte]

It’s not personal. But it’s so wrong that it begs the issue of whether or not you watch other teams. And I’m still being civil. If you’re not a troll (and that’s seemingly the only non personal reference in my statement) then you are the latter. It’s ok to admit it

Nothing “begs” the issue of questioning what another person does or doesn’t do. That’s the other personal reference. Plenty of posts before yours presented their own perspectives, and their own examples without getting into my business. “It’s ok to admit it” uh, ok I don’t know why you’re trying to one-up me like this is some sort of contest. If it comforts you to believe I’m one way or another, you’re obviously free to do that. I’m just calling out the unnecessary effort to detract the conversation because you so wildly disagree with the concepts that are being discussed.

[Dejounte]

Welcome to being a good team in 2024

Boston has the best starting 5 in the league and their lowest volume 3pt shooter averages 4.5 attempts and makes 42% of them. Giannis is the only starter on the Bucks who doesn’t shoot more than 4 per game.

Everyone one the clippers gets them up besides zubac.

only Gordon doesnt shoot more than 3 for denver. Same with gobert for minnesota

The Nuggets are arguably the team that the Spurs should mirror in the future. Wemby, like Jokic, is not the quickest player out there and is likely to have endurance issues if he was forced to be on a running team. Normally, a team with volume shooters have faster pace to take advantage of said shooters. If we look at their starters and 3 pt attempts:

Jokic - 3.2
KCP - 3.5
Gordon - 2.0
Porter - 7.1
Murray - 5.7

obviously, the 4-5+ 3pa’s was just an arbitrary number I put out there but the Nuggets only have 3 volume shooters (if we say that three 3 pt attempts a game is a volume shooter) and they are very successful. So… a good team in 2024 can get it done without 4 volume 3 pt shooters in their line up since a team won a championship in 2023 without meeting that criteria.

I guess this sort of fits as a response to TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) so I’m tagging you too.

[KobesAchilles]

You've been here long enough to know Dejounte isn't a troll...
Tbh I’ve been here too long where I think he kinda is one. Dude takes everything personally.

[spurraider21]

The Nuggets are arguably the team that the Spurs should mirror in the future. Wemby, like Jokic, is not the quickest player out there and is likely to have endurance issues if he was forced to be on a running team. Normally, a team with volume shooters have faster pace to take advantage of said shooters. If we look at their starters and 3 pt attempts:

Jokic - 3.2
KCP - 3.5
Gordon - 2.0
Porter - 7.1
Murray - 5.7

obviously, the 4-5+ 3pa’s was just an arbitrary number I put out there but the Nuggets only have 3 volume shooters (if we say that three 3 pt attempts a game is a volume shooter) and they are very successful. So… a good team in 2024 can get it done without 4 volume 3 pt shooters in their line up since a team won a championship in 2023 without meeting that criteria.

I guess this sort of fits as a response to TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) so I’m tagging you too.
But basically all of their reserves besides Jordan shoot 3s as well. Reggie Jackson averages 4 per game off the bench. So even if kcp only shoots 3.5 in his minutes, his backup hoists them up as well. They don’t have a Tre, Branham, Sochan at all who comes in scared to shoot

[spurraider21]

Tbh I’ve been here too long where I think he kinda is one. Dude takes everything personally.
imo he’s just on the younger side

[mo7888]

The Nuggets are arguably the team that the Spurs should mirror in the future. Wemby, like Jokic, is not the quickest player out there and is likely to have endurance issues if he was forced to be on a running team. Normally, a team with volume shooters have faster pace to take advantage of said shooters. If we look at their starters and 3 pt attempts:

Jokic - 3.2
KCP - 3.5
Gordon - 2.0
Porter - 7.1
Murray - 5.7

obviously, the 4-5+ 3pa’s was just an arbitrary number I put out there but the Nuggets only have 3 volume shooters (if we say that three 3 pt attempts a game is a volume shooter) and they are very successful. So… a good team in 2024 can get it done without 4 volume 3 pt shooters in their line up since a team won a championship in 2023 without meeting that criteria.

I guess this sort of fits as a response to TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) so I’m tagging you too.

I'm not sure I agree with you about Wemby having endurance issues, however i do think you bring up a good point about our identity. We're all over the place with the kind of guys we want to draft or trade for, but we have to decide what type of team we want to be going forward if we are to know what players fit the best. I personally want to surround Wemby with 3D wings and spread the court and play with aggression of D leading to transition buckets and i want a half court offense based on ball movement (call me a sucker for the beautiful game there).

[KobesAchilles]

The Nuggets are arguably the team that the Spurs should mirror in the future. Wemby, like Jokic, is not the quickest player out there and is likely to have endurance issues if he was forced to be on a running team. Normally, a team with volume shooters have faster pace to take advantage of said shooters. If we look at their starters and 3 pt attempts:

Jokic - 3.2
KCP - 3.5
Gordon - 2.0
Porter - 7.1
Murray - 5.7

obviously, the 4-5+ 3pa’s was just an arbitrary number I put out there but the Nuggets only have 3 volume shooters (if we say that three 3 pt attempts a game is a volume shooter) and they are very successful. So… a good team in 2024 can get it done without 4 volume 3 pt shooters in their line up since a team won a championship in 2023 without meeting that criteria.

I guess this sort of fits as a response to TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) so I’m tagging you too.
To admit that you don’t watch other teams was my point.

Bc the team you chose is one we don’t have the roster for and won’t probably ever have. I doubt Wemby will ever be as good as Jokic on offense. The whole offensive system works bc of Jokic. His ability to find any player cutting or moving or on transition or in half court settings is unparalleled. I’d argue he’s the best passer in the game today. And Wemby will never be that. Now he has a different set of skills but the reason why Gordon even works offensively is all bc of Jokic.

Also Denver has a bonafide Robin in Murray (Kentucky guard so let’s get Dilly) who in the playoffs last year shot a ridiculous percentage from the floor last year. It was historic tbh. Murray and Porter averaged nine 3FGAs a game against the Lakers and Jokic and Porter were both at 4 and 4.5 respectively. Even Gordon was at 3.8. My point is tho we don’t have a player like Murray who can take over an offense by himself AND get others open looks as well. If you’re model for the Spurs is for Wemby to become the best passer in the NBA, average 30 point triple doubles, and dominate the paint making AD useless while having a guy in Murray average 36 a game on 40% 3pt shooting at 9 a game then yeah let’s copy that.

Currently this team has zero shooters. Maybe Vassell but let’s see how consistent he is going forward. I have hope for him. But Wemby needs to be surrounded by shooters. If you take out Sochans hot shooting start, the dude is averaging in the 20% at 3. Wemby is at 20 something percent. Collins is at 20 something percent. Tre Jones is at 21% and made zero his last 5 games. We don’t need ANOTHER non shooter when the whole team is filled with them. Idc how smart a player he is. Our starting SF needs to be able to shoot the ball. Period

[scott]

The Spurs are 11th in the league in 3PA/game, so it’s not like our team lacks the volume, it’s that our players suck at them. Hence why I find the notion that we don’t need more shooters kind of odd.

It doesn’t help that our highest volume shooter (Devin, leading the team at 7.0 3PA) also happens to be the worst in the NBA at 3PA Quality (meaning, he takes the toughest three point shots in the league). Considering Devin is still making 38%, there is a good point to be made about how the offense creates these 3PAs, but there is also a good counter point that in today’s NBA, you need 4 shooters on the court. Our lineups routinely lack shooters, because our team is full of non-shooters.

[spurraider21]

Devin (and everybody else) would regularly get better quality looks with a good point guard

[baseline bum]

The problem with the NBA...and most of its fans it seems...is the obsession with "shooting" and offense.

I could give a damn whether Dunn can shoot a 3 or not. His Defense is next level. Everyone on the SPURS right now are supposed "shooters" and offense guys. There ain't a Defensive guy on the team, except Wemby. Where has that got us? Bottom of the league.

The problem with the Spurs ain't shooting or offense. We don't need "better" shooters. Everyone on the Spurs right now think they're a scorer...when most are not. Vassell and Wemby are the only legit scorers. I'd trade Keldon for Dunn in a heartbeat. We need less shooters. But, what we really need is Defense and more BBIQ. DUNN has both. And guess what happens when you have DUNN and WEMBY inside? The other 3 players don't have to collapse on defense anymore. They can stay outside and actually guard the 3 point line.

This game ain't hard folks.

And, coincidentally...that's the main problem with the NBA today overall. Everyone is looking for the next Curry. The game has really suffered as a result...and the SPURS are the poster child

Even Bruce Bowen would have been unplayable if he shot 19% from the three, much less the much easier college three. If Dunn can't get that number up to 30% he can't be a building block of this team. Spurs would be playing 4 on 5 every possession with extremely aggressive doubles and triples on Victor constantly knowing Dunn couldn't make anyone pay for it.

[TD 21]

The Nuggets are arguably the team that the Spurs should mirror in the future. Wemby, like Jokic, is not the quickest player out there and is likely to have endurance issues if he was forced to be on a running team. Normally, a team with volume shooters have faster pace to take advantage of said shooters. If we look at their starters and 3 pt attempts:

Jokic - 3.2
KCP - 3.5
Gordon - 2.0
Porter - 7.1
Murray - 5.7

obviously, the 4-5+ 3pa’s was just an arbitrary number I put out there but the Nuggets only have 3 volume shooters (if we say that three 3 pt attempts a game is a volume shooter) and they are very successful. So… a good team in 2024 can get it done without 4 volume 3 pt shooters in their line up since a team won a championship in 2023 without meeting that criteria.

I guess this sort of fits as a response to TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) so I’m tagging you too.

3PA rate is the better way to view it . . . second column is their 3pt%.

Jokic: 17.8% - 34.2%
Murray: 36.1% - 42%
Gordon: 18.8% - 29.5%
Porter Jr. : 53.7% - 39.8%
Caldwell-Pope: 45.9% - 0 39.8%

Four legit threats, including 2.5 volume shooters and 3 "lasers".

[scott]

Devin (and everybody else) would regularly get better quality looks with a good point guard

Interestingly, the rest of the bottom 5 in 3PA shot quality are:

2. Luka
3. Maxey
4. Dinwiddie
5. Booker

Each of these guys, themselves, should result in higher shot quality for their teams, but they themselves find themselves on this list.

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs can somehow get Mikal Bridges on this roster for the veteran that would be perfect.

Would be insanely expensive but if they can keep their 2024 pick and get Dillingham or Topic I'd be willing to part with the two shots at Cooper Flagg plus another pick and some salary fodder to get Bridges. God would he be amazing on this team as an S Tier defender and a B+ Tier scorer.

[tonight...you]

To admit that you don’t watch other teams was my point.

Bc the team you chose is one we don’t have the roster for and won’t probably ever have. I doubt Wemby will ever be as good as Jokic on offense. The whole offensive system works bc of Jokic. His ability to find any player cutting or moving or on transition or in half court settings is unparalleled. I’d argue he’s the best passer in the game today. And Wemby will never be that. Now he has a different set of skills but the reason why Gordon even works offensively is all bc of Jokic.

Also Denver has a bonafide Robin in Murray (Kentucky guard so let’s get Dilly) who in the playoffs last year shot a ridiculous percentage from the floor last year. It was historic tbh. Murray and Porter averaged nine 3FGAs a game against the Lakers and Jokic and Porter were both at 4 and 4.5 respectively. Even Gordon was at 3.8. My point is tho we don’t have a player like Murray who can take over an offense by himself AND get others open looks as well. If you’re model for the Spurs is for Wemby to become the best passer in the NBA, average 30 point triple doubles, and dominate the paint making AD useless while having a guy in Murray average 36 a game on 40% 3pt shooting at 9 a game then yeah let’s copy that.

Currently this team has zero shooters. Maybe Vassell but let’s see how consistent he is going forward. I have hope for him. But Wemby needs to be surrounded by shooters. If you take out Sochans hot shooting start, the dude is averaging in the 20% at 3. Wemby is at 20 something percent. Collins is at 20 something percent. Tre Jones is at 21% and made zero his last 5 games. We don’t need ANOTHER non shooter when the whole team is filled with them. Idc how smart a player he is. Our starting SF needs to be able to shoot the ball. Period

I'm sorry, but watching Wemby's ability to analyze what's going on on the fly and how he adjusts and passes even to himself at 19 and a day suggests otherwise in his first few days in the NBA.
Dude has great passing skills with anticipation along with obvious experience issues.
He can very much be an offensive anchor like Jokic, but I think he's more dangerous on the move in the flow with the block hub also being utilized.

[baseline bum]

I want PG13 on our team. I love his work ethic, his professionalism, his leadership, his ability to defer when he needs to and take over when he needs to, and he’s a very supportive dude in the locker room. He’s my dream pick up for the team.

Would be an amazing FA signing but Balmer's opening a new arena next year and he's not going to do that with a rebuilding team. He'll pay PG13 and Kawhi.

[tonight...you]

Would be insanely expensive but if they can keep their 2024 pick and get Dillingham or Topic I'd be willing to part with the two shots at Cooper Flagg plus another pick and some salary fodder to get Bridges. God would he be amazing on this team as an S Tier defender and a B+ Tier scorer.
Haven't watched this dude Cooper.
What's your Cliff Notes?

[baseline bum]

Haven't watched this dude Cooper.
What's your Cliff Notes?

Supposed to be the greatest defensive PF prospect in a long long time. Great size, athletic, good passer, and can shoot the three too. Can't wait to see him at Duke next year. Ordinarily you'd think three firsts for Bridges would be pipe dream cheap but if Brooklyn can get two shots at Flagg I could see them trading Bridges for it.

[mo7888]

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-cooper-flagg

[baseline bum]

https://www.si.com/nba/draft/prospect-profiles/nba-draft-scouting-report-cooper-flagg

Might be the best American HS player since Anthony Davis. I would kill to have him on the Spurs, as he and Vic together would turn the clock back on the league to 1999. But not willing to waste another year of Victor's career for a shot at him.

[Seventyniner]

3PA rate is the better way to view it . . . second column is their 3pt%.

Jokic: 17.8% - 34.2%
Murray: 36.1% - 42%
Gordon: 18.8% - 29.5%
Porter Jr. : 53.7% - 39.8%
Caldwell-Pope: 45.9% - 0 39.8%

Four legit threats, including 2.5 volume shooters and 3 "lasers".

What's ironic here is that the Nuggets' 3PA rate as a team, 35.4%, is 26th in the league and only 0.2% ahead of #28 New Orleans. Even last year they were #21 at 36.1%.

The Spurs are #10 at 40.6% this season fwiw, while being #27 at 34.8% last season.

[Seventyniner]

Might be the best American HS player since Anthony Davis. I would kill to have him on the Spurs, as he and Vic together would turn the clock back on the league to 1999. But not willing to waste another year of Victor's career for a shot at him.

I agree that another year of tanking isn't worth a 14% shot at Flagg. The Spurs already struck lottery gold once.

The better hope is that the Hawks suck badly next season and get "lucky" with the ping-pong balls.

[baseline bum]

I agree that another year of tanking isn't worth a 14% shot at Flagg. The Spurs already struck lottery gold once.

The better hope is that the Hawks suck badly next season and get "lucky" with the ping-pong balls.

Nice thing is the Spurs will get a shot at Flagg in 25 and Boozer in 26 with those unprotected Atlanta picks and the swap, especially if Atlanta gets bent over on a Murray trade in the next month.

[mo7888]

Might be the best American HS player since Anthony Davis. I would kill to have him on the Spurs, as he and Vic together would turn the clock back on the league to 1999. But not willing to waste another year of Victor's career for a shot at him.

There are ways to do both... i wouldn't include the Atlanta picks, but our own I'd include in the right deal...even unprotected for the right player..

[scott]

There are ways to do both... i wouldn't include the Atlanta picks, but our own I'd include in the right deal...even unprotected for the right player..

Agree 100%, and hopefully the FO is thinking this way too. The only picks "off limits" for me are our pick this year, the Atlanta picks ('25, '27), and our picks in the years we have Atlanta ('26), Boston ('28) and Dallas swaps ('30).

That means, I'd have the following to play with

TOR '24
CHI '25
CHA '25 (don't think this is worth much)
SA '25
SA '27
SA '29
SA '31 (not sure if you can trade these yet)

[The Truth #6]

Just some random thoughts after too much bourbon.

Devin Vassell takes difficult shots because it's hard for him to get separation. All the more reason to prioritize a quality point guard who can dance around and get people open looks. If a SF can do that, that's great, but we still need an initiator. The current lineup lacks that needed ability.

On offense Dunn, yes, needs to be at least not a horrible shooter. But if not a shooter, does he at least have the bbiq to make connective passes? If he can't shoot or swing the ball, then that's a hill too high to climb.

Re: TD21's theory of Spurs drafting racial profiling, I don't think BW cares for white European players, but likes black players that seem "nice", be it Canadian, small town, biracial, or simply smile well for the camera.

The team will be built through the draft and free agency, and by free agency I mean tertiary role players that get overlooked and are affordable. The FO isn't going all in on any player other than Victor. It's going to be a slow rebuild unless Pop and Brian are replaced.

I think Dejounte has solid opinions on basketball and is not a troll.

That's it. Off to drink some electrolytes.

[mo7888]

Agree 100%, and hopefully the FO is thinking this way too. The only picks "off limits" for me are our pick this year, the Atlanta picks ('25, '27), and our picks in the years we have Atlanta ('26), Boston ('28) and Dallas swaps ('30).

That means, I'd have the following to play with

TOR '24
CHI '25
CHA '25 (don't think this is worth much)
SA '25
SA '27
SA '29
SA '31 (not sure if you can trade these yet)

Agreed... I'll tell ypu where i think the Charlotte pick 'might' have a little value..... trading it in a deal with a big market team as part of a bigger deal. For them, it's just a marketing gimmick that they can sell to their casuals.... A team like the Lakers with their bandwagon fans wouldn't have a clue that there's limited value...they'd just see a 1st.... LA...NY etc, can market that...

[rascal]

Agreed... I'll tell ypu where i think the Charlotte pick 'might' have a little value..... trading it in a deal with a big market team as part of a bigger deal. For them, it's just a marketing gimmick that they can sell to their casuals.... A team like the Lakers with their bandwagon fans wouldn't have a clue that there's limited value...they'd just see a 1st.... LA...NY etc, can market that...

The best value you'll get out of that pick is to trade it back to Charlotte in a package deal.

[spurraider21]

Interestingly, the rest of the bottom 5 in 3PA shot quality are:

2. Luka
3. Maxey
4. Dinwiddie
5. Booker

Each of these guys, themselves, should result in higher shot quality for their teams, but they themselves find themselves on this list.
The rest of the bottom 5 ARE the point guards on their respective teams who would not expect to have someone else creating looks for them

[spurraider21]

The best value you'll get out of that pick is to trade it back to Charlotte in a package deal.
Miles Bridges is a SF… :lol

[MultiTroll]

Supposed to be the greatest defensive PF prospect in a long long time. Great size, athletic, good passer, and can shoot the three too. Can't wait to see him at Duke next year..
Isn't the Duke conversion rate for Duke to Good NBA player like 7 failures to every 3 success?

Whether it's injury prone or just being an entitled pussy?

Of course that was when Shitchevsky was there.
I like this new coach.

[mo7888]

The best value you'll get out of that pick is to trade it back to Charlotte in a package deal.

Charlotte would be a potential partner too, but for a different reason than a marketing gimmick.

[heyheymymy]

Miles Bridges is a SF… :lol

He's also unfortunately an alleged wife beater

[heyheymymy]

Did we ever confirm if the league would allow lifting pick protections as part of a trade?

If so, another thing SA could do instead of trading CHA the pick back is make a player trade with lopsided return value on the exchange. Within that trade also stipulate CHA lifts protections on the top 14 protected pick

[KobesAchilles]

I'm sorry, but watching Wemby's ability to analyze what's going on on the fly and how he adjusts and passes even to himself at 19 and a day suggests otherwise in his first few days in the NBA.
Dude has great passing skills with anticipation along with obvious experience issues.
He can very much be an offensive anchor like Jokic, but I think he's more dangerous on the move in the flow with the block hub also being utilized.
im not saying that Wemby is a bad passer or can’t become a good passer. But it’s nothing like Jokic. He’s an anomaly on that front. I think he is the greatest passing big man (including Bird) of all time. I don’t expect Wemby to become that. He might be a very good passer for a big, but not THAT good. Realistically, I don’t see Wemby averaging 10 assists a game. But it’s not even that Jokic averages assists, it’s just the flow that he gets them at. It’s not like Westbrook or Harden assists, these are more like Stockton assists

[rascal]

Did we ever confirm if the league would allow lifting pick protections as part of a trade?

If so, another thing SA could do instead of trading CHA the pick back is make a player trade with lopsided return value on the exchange. Within that trade also stipulate CHA lifts protections on the top 14 protected pick

Lopsided return? I don't think so. How about thinking up a fair trade for both teams

[baseline bum]

im not saying that Wemby is a bad passer or can’t become a good passer. But it’s nothing like Jokic. He’s an anomaly on that front. I think he is the greatest passing big man (including Bird) of all time. I don’t expect Wemby to become that. He might be a very good passer for a big, but not THAT good. Realistically, I don’t see Wemby averaging 10 assists a game. But it’s not even that Jokic averages assists, it’s just the flow that he gets them at. It’s not like Westbrook or Harden assists, these are more like Stockton assists

Walton and Sabonis were amazing passers and probably the closest we have ever seen to Jokic. Too bad we never got to see Prime Sabonis in the NBA, I think he could have had the same kind of impact Jokic does.

[TD 21]

What's ironic here is that the Nuggets' 3PA rate as a team, 35.4%, is 26th in the league and only 0.2% ahead of #28 New Orleans. Even last year they were #21 at 36.1%.

The Spurs are #10 at 40.6% this season fwiw, while being #27 at 34.8% last season.

That's because their highest usage players, Jokic and to a lesser extent Murray, aren't high volume 3-point shooters.

For once, the 3PA rate isn't bad for the Spurs highest usage players, but as usual the % is.

[CorrectCrusader]

The Nuggets are arguably the team that the Spurs should mirror in the future. Wemby, like Jokic, is not the quickest player out there and is likely to have endurance issues if he was forced to be on a running team. Normally, a team with volume shooters have faster pace to take advantage of said shooters. If we look at their starters and 3 pt attempts:

Jokic - 3.2
KCP - 3.5
Gordon - 2.0
Porter - 7.1
Murray - 5.7

obviously, the 4-5+ 3pa’s was just an arbitrary number I put out there but the Nuggets only have 3 volume shooters (if we say that three 3 pt attempts a game is a volume shooter) and they are very successful. So… a good team in 2024 can get it done without 4 volume 3 pt shooters in their line up since a team won a championship in 2023 without meeting that criteria.

I guess this sort of fits as a response to TD 21 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=17781) so I’m tagging you too.

It also helps that Jokic is the best offensive center in NBA history. Idk if Wemby can be Jokic level on offense.

[heyheymymy]

Lopsided return only insofar as the presumed enrichment in value if any of the lifted protections on the pick. You have to pay for that.

[exstatic]

The problem with the NBA...and most of its fans it seems...is the obsession with "shooting" and offense.

I could give a damn whether Dunn can shoot a 3 or not. His Defense is next level. Everyone on the SPURS right now are supposed "shooters" and offense guys. There ain't a Defensive guy on the team, except Wemby. Where has that got us? Bottom of the league.

The problem with the Spurs ain't shooting or offense. We don't need "better" shooters. Everyone on the Spurs right now think they're a scorer...when most are not. Vassell and Wemby are the only legit scorers. I'd trade Keldon for Dunn in a heartbeat. We need less shooters. But, what we really need is Defense and more BBIQ. DUNN has both. And guess what happens when you have DUNN and WEMBY inside? The other 3 players don't have to collapse on defense anymore. They can stay outside and actually guard the 3 point line.

This game ain't hard folks.

And, coincidentally...that's the main problem with the NBA today overall. Everyone is looking for the next Curry. The game has really suffered as a result...and the SPURS are the poster child

You have not been paying attention to the last 8 years of the NBA, since the rule change in 2015, outlawing fighting thru screens, making everything a switch. If you can’t shoot, you can’t start in the NBA, unless you are an elite rim runner/shot blocker center.

[exstatic]

PG13 is old, though.

He’s also a playoff choker.

[exstatic]

Might be the best American HS player since Anthony Davis. I would kill to have him on the Spurs, as he and Vic together would turn the clock back on the league to 1999. But not willing to waste another year of Victor's career for a shot at him.

We don’t have to if ATL sucks next year. I guess it depends what they want for Dejounte,picks or players. If they go picks to replenish their stock, they’ll be bad.

[John B]

As mentioned before, Spurs always have that defensive catalyst during their championship years, Sean Ninja Elliot, Bruce Bowen, Danny Green/Kawhi. I think it is not too late to make Sochan that guy, instead of making him a Boris type connector. Sochan already have the catch-and-shoot 3’s (should get better), but he needs to focus on his lateral speed to stay in front. Lately Pop, at least the last two games he put Wesley on Ja and Dame, but more of lack of personnel, but Wesley has been great if he could only make a leap offensively and passing wise. I’m still hoping that Sochan could be that POA defender he was advertised to be.

I’m getting the impression that Wemby would like to be a lot competitive next year. That would mean a veteran PG at the helm. Sochan seems still too short at PF. I really would like Sarr at 1st pick to help Wemby defensively, and Topic at TOR pick to play PG-in-training. I’m not even opposed to CP3 at this point to throw those lob passes to Wemby and Sarr! :lol

CP3 / Topic / Tre
Vassell / Champagnie
Sochan / Keldon (Manu role)
Sarr / Collins
Wemby / Bassey

[exstatic]

Agree 100%, and hopefully the FO is thinking this way too. The only picks "off limits" for me are our pick this year, the Atlanta picks ('25, '27), and our picks in the years we have Atlanta ('26), Boston ('28) and Dallas swaps ('30).

That means, I'd have the following to play with

TOR '24
CHI '25
CHA '25 (don't think this is worth much)
SA '25
SA '27
SA '29
SA '31 (not sure if you can trade these yet)

This can’t be traded at the deadline, but can in the new FA/trade season in July.

[baseline bum]

Agree 100%, and hopefully the FO is thinking this way too. The only picks "off limits" for me are our pick this year, the Atlanta picks ('25, '27), and our picks in the years we have Atlanta ('26), Boston ('28) and Dallas swaps ('30).

That means, I'd have the following to play with

TOR '24
CHI '25
CHA '25 (don't think this is worth much)
SA '25
SA '27
SA '29
SA '31 (not sure if you can trade these yet)

If I can get Bridges I'll give up the Atlanta 25 and our 25. Outside of that not many players I'd give up either of the 25 picks for though.

[cd021]

One is not nearly enough. You need at least 3-4 credible 3-point threats among your best lineup(s) today.Sochan (slow release, % inflated due to combination of low volume and shooting wide open catch and shoot) types don't qualify. A threat is someone defenses won't disregard to pack the paint.Agreed. Hitting open threes is nice but teams leave players like that open consistently because they are willing to risk him hitting a few threes if it means they can pack the paint. Not only that but sometimes those players hesitate to shoot, which combined with slow releases makes it easy to close out. The worst-case scenario is Sochan going 3-3 but it's worth it if the opposing team can swarm Wemby.

[TD 21]

No, it isn't because Johnson, while better suited to being a 6th man, is at least a starting caliber player. They have no such option at lead guard.

The latter doesn't necessarily have to come through the draft though.

Their number one goal should be trying to trade for Mitchell this off season. They can easily outbid the rumored teams (Heat, Nets, Knicks), so long as he'd be willing to sign here long term.

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/clutchpoints/status/1747319904062034334?s=46

[Chinook]

We've all gotten into this debate before, but I don't think most people mean the team needs a floor-general PG when they talk about that positional weakness. The big wing superstar who runs the offense isn't a new archetype, just as the score-first lead guard isn't. The team needs high-volume scoring from the position (in my opinion). Ideally they get somebody who's basically as devastating to not stop as Wemby is so that Victor gets space and good looks. Tre Jones is a perfectly fine training partner, and in that regard, the Spurs can go another year without a new starter. But they won't compete or especially contend without acquiring a top-10ish player. If they plan on waiting until Wemby is in his early prime, they can get away with a top 15-20 guy and a great supporting cast. But as the thread from scott shows, the Spurs can't give "era 1" Wemby "era 2" players and expect a contender.

Anyway, so I do think the Spurs should be hunting a PG prospect who can grow into that "era 2"/"era 3" PG Victor needs while hoping luck and their warchest allows them to pick up the "era 1" star they need. So the makeup could look like this:

PG: Young PG who will grow into a great player but for now is fast, good at scoring and can beat a defense that tries to play off him to guard the team's stars.
Middle Positions: One current or recent top-10ish player, a veteran elite role-player and a plucky young role-player
C: Wemby who continues to grow.

A mix of vets and young players off the bench.

I don't love it, because there aren't really examples out there of teams that went from tanking to a championship core very fast. Even teams like the 2006 Heat have years of vets to try to grow from. The vets on the 06 roster weren't on the 03 roster, but they needed to be on the roster and established for the Heat to make their big trades during the 04 and 05 off-seasons to get that championship core.

[DAF86]

https://x.com/clutchpoints/status/1747319904062034334?s=46

I think nobody is arguing this here. Whether the player is a 6 foot guard, or a 6'8" wing, we need that primary ball handler that can break down a defense and playmake for himself and others. And we need that a hell of a lot more than a traditional wing. So no, this clip doesn't make you right.

[Dejounte]

I think nobody is arguing this here. Whether the player is a 6 foot guard, or a 6'8" wing, we need that primary ball handler that can break down a defense and playmake for himself and others. And we need that a hell of a lot more than a traditional wing. So no, this clip doesn't make you right.

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I Wasn’t Trying To Be Right About Anything With This Clip. I Was Looking For The Last PG Topic We Had To Post This In.

[DAF86]

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I Wasn’t Trying To Be Right About Anything With This Clip. I Was Looking For The Last PG Topic We Had To Post This In.

That's dumb and it leads to confusion, tbh.

P/S: I just read your proposed target is Dunn. The last thing this team needs is another non-shooter.

[Dejounte]

That's dumb and it leads to confusion, tbh.

P/S: I just read your proposed target is Dunn. The last thing this team needs is another non-shooter.

Why Don’t You Chill The Fuck Out And Stop Being Argumentative About Everything. God Damn You Can Be Annoying.

[scott]

I agree with JJ (who, I can't believe was never a Spur... seems like he would have fit in here), but just thought it worth pointing out that you can agree with JJ while still expressing happiness that Tre is currently starting. Only speaking for myself, I wanted Tre starting at PG not because he is the perfect archetype of PG but rather because he's the only player on the roster with the proven skills to play "PG" at a decent level. Maybe Devonte could do it as well, but he is clearly not part of our plans.

In that respect, it's easy to see WHY people might have been excited at the Point Sochan experiment, the problem of course is that Sochan never really demonstrated he has the skills necessary to be that "Big Wing PG".

To Chinook above, the only part of what you wrote I take exception with is that I don't necessarily need for Era 1 Wemby to win a championship, but I do want Era 1 Wemby in the playoffs, developing his mettle, and setting himself up for Era 2/3 dominance. This is based on my goal of seeing Wemby being an all-time great, not simply a one-time champion... I think he is that good and that transcendent... but he will need a team around him, and again (my thesis is) there is no need to wait to start that process, just so long as we do it in a way that is economical with our assets.

[DAF86]

Why Don’t You Chill The Fuck Out And Stop Being Argumentative About Everything. God Damn You Can Be Annoying.

Isn't that the point of an internet forum, being argumentative? :lol

P/S: Nothing Is More Annoying Than You Writing Like This All The Time. The Fuck's UP With That? :lol

[KobesAchilles]

Isn't that the point of an internet forum, being argumentative? :lol

P/S: Nothing Is More Annoying Than You Writing Like This All The Time. The Fuck's UP With That? :lol
He gets in his feelings a lot. It’s his shtick on this forum. He posts his usually wrong opinions and then anytime anybody disagrees with him he gets angry.

[Dejounte]

He gets in his feelings a lot. It’s his shtick on this forum. He posts his usually wrong opinions and then anytime anybody disagrees with him he gets angry.

Nah, I Have Plenty Of Folks Who Enjoy My Takes And Who I Enjoy Conversing With, Even Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) Who I Know I Give A Hard Time And Sometimes I Wish I Didn’t Because He’s One Of The Folks Here Who Have Depth Unlike Yourself Who I Purposely Barely Acknowledge Since Most Of Your Posts Are So Low On The Scale Of Intelligence That It Would Be A Huge Waste Of Time To Deal With.

[R. DeMurre]

:lol

[spurraider21]

Isn't that the point of an internet forum, being argumentative? :lol

P/S: Nothing Is More Annoying Than You Writing Like This All The Time. The Fuck's UP With That? :lol
He's Doing This Writing Style To Emulate How Murray Posts On Social Media. Trying To Speak That Trade Into Existence

[DAF86]

He's Doing This Writing Style To Emulate How Murray Posts On Social Media. Trying To Speak That Trade Into Existence

Are we sure Dejounte isn't Dejounte? :wow

[KobesAchilles]

Nah, I Have Plenty Of Folks Who Enjoy My Takes And Who I Enjoy Conversing With, Even Chinook (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=37557) Who I Know I Give A Hard Time And Sometimes I Wish I Didn’t Because He’s One Of The Folks Here Who Have Depth Unlike Yourself Who I Purposely Barely Acknowledge Since Most Of Your Posts Are So Low On The Scale Of Intelligence That It Would Be A Huge Waste Of Time To Deal With.
How do you type with all caps on every word? That seems like it would be a waste of some time. Oh look you got in your feelings again and attacked my intelligence. Ouch that hurts. What particularly is so stupid about my basketball takes? I feel like I speak common sense and then 3 months later you start posting the exact same thing I said from the get go. So if my intelligence is so low and you end up agreeing with my low level… what ever does that say about you?

[offset formation]

Agree 100%, and hopefully the FO is thinking this way too. The only picks "off limits" for me are our pick this year, the Atlanta picks ('25, '27), and our picks in the years we have Atlanta ('26), Boston ('28) and Dallas swaps ('30).

That means, I'd have the following to play with

TOR '24
CHI '25
CHA '25 (don't think this is worth much)
SA '25
SA '27
SA '29
SA '31 (not sure if you can trade these yet)

Let's see what we get in the draft but in theory I agree wholeheartedly on which picks I'd make available. I'm also on record here about the ATL picks being untouchable, imo.

I think letting the season play out is wise actually at this point. Why? I think I'm sold on our 5 spot for the future rotation actually and I wouldn't have said that earlier in the season. If Wemby is willing to play the 5 long term, and then you can bring in a Bassey who is a stud but just hasn't had a chance to prove it, then bring the athleticism of Barlow off the bench, that's a championship caliber group at the 5.

Jeremy is increasingly showing he's at least a starting 3, or 4 depending on if Wemby is on the court. Vassell is a championship level 2 guard (ultimately probably off the bench due to his inconsistencies).

So to me, we need a starting PG, a 2, and either a 3 and/or 4 (See Wemby on court or not). Beyond that its a free for all and questions for FA come as to whether we need backups elsewhere or if for example a Blake Wesley or Tre Jones can show they deserve a shot at a backup spot moving forward. Same with some others.

Do we keep any vets, say a veteran like McDermott who pop loves and who Wemby seems to like playing with or ship his ass out in a trade? Or just start from scratch in free agency?

Lots of huge decisions need to be made about this roster by year's end. I'll give it to pop begrudgingly that this is exactly what needed to happen this year. Long term we'll be better off for it. Pop is a sly mother.

[John B]

https://x.com/clutchpoints/status/1747319904062034334?s=46

Trae Jones would be perfect finding that lob pass to Wemby, and making his defenders honest with his outside shots. I hate to say it because I think Trae Jones is a defensive liability, but with Wemby manning the paint, again is perfect. Again I rather the Spurs get a defensive guard who can pass, and who’s not going to cost the Spurs an arm and a leg.

As far as the big man pushing the ball like a Diaw, I think it’s not a new concept here at ST.

[RC_Drunkford]

Trae Jones would be perfect finding that lob pass to Wemby, and making his defenders honest with his outside shots. I hate to say it because I think Trae Jones is a defensive liability, but with Wemby manning the paint, again is perfect. Again I rather the Spurs get a defensive guard who can pass, and who’s not going to cost the Spurs an arm and a leg.

As far as the big man pushing the ball like a Diaw, I think it’s not a new concept here at ST.

It's Trae Young. Tre Jones is on the Spurs

[scott]

Thought this thread needed a bump because Dejounte (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=51342) is right. About SF being a bigger need than PG that is, not about Ryan Dunn :lol

[SouthernFryd]

I'm trusting Brian Wright to make the wrong moves...no matter what anyone else thinks or says.

Remember, he chooses players not on their basketball ability, but whether they can change the world.

'100 Heroes: People in Sports Who Make This a Better World' - Brian Wright, co-author.

[Mr. Body]

It's a big need but that player is not in this draft.

[offset formation]

The biggest need is defense whichever position they pick. Which is to say they can't take a flyer on someone they hope can be good at defense but currently sucks. At least at 4 I think Buzellis is the man.

[The Truth #6]

We need someone who can dribble into the paint and make things happen. It would be great if it was a wing, but he would go #1 in this draft. Dillingham seems to be the guy who can do that. Of course there could be a wing in this draft that gets there but it seems like longer odds.

[NASpurs]

It's a big need but that player is not in this draft.

I'm not convinced our future PG is in this draft either.

I'm behind the idea of trading our picks this year + player to receive someone that fills our need.