Charania: Spurs Have Exploratory Interest In Murray

[My Fault]

The Spurs are in their second year of play top-five-pick bad, and folks are absolutely freaking out. It's mind-boggling. No, Wemby's not going to leave in year six because the Spurs weren't competitive in year 1. No, you don't tank for one year and then go all-in. No, literally no team that tries to be immediately competitive immediately after bottoming out succeeds. Just let this season go. For fuck's sake. Falling over for dude's like Quickley or Murray to the point where we see thread after thread of vitriol about the front office not trying to acquire someone -- it's just sad. They're playing Wemby at center. They have Jones starting. They finally look like a competent team that's playing improved ball but still losing. That's where you should want to be at this point. Instead, people want to make a Holliday (from Philly) panic trade, giving up current value and devaluing future assets. It's ridiculous.

Yes, PATFO can fuck up the rebuild. Yes, the Spurs could find themselves in an endless sequence of tanking. Technically these scenarios are possible. But it shows a tremendous lack of perspective to project that based on this season. They have not built the base of talent they need to. They have one top-five pick and two top-10 picks on their roster. (I'm not counting Collins.) They have a chance to double those totals this season. This is not a highly rated draft, but every single draft has good players come out of it. Yes it's worth it to get those picks. We should also remember who Murray was as a Spur. A lot of the people calling for him now were perfectly happy to trade him before. He's a good player, but a limited one. The team isn't at the point where he'd make sense.

I've seen folks saying that DJM would end up being the fourth-best player behind Wemby, Vassell and the pick the Spurs get in this draft. That carries one of two lines of reasoning:

A) The Spurs aren't going to get out of the top-five even if the traded for Murray.

B) The Spurs are going to get out of the top-five, but the pick they use still has a decent chance to be better than Murray. (I'm gonna be generous here and pretend that Murray would be around for more than the next four years and we're talking about the prospect after he matures rather than suggesting he's going to be better than Murray after just a year or two in the league).

If A) is true, why are folks clamoring to make this trade again? Jones is perfectly competent to run the team as it stands. I'm one of the posters who spoke out most against the "Expensive Mistake" mantra. But trading real assets and committing solid money to a guy who doesn't move the needle seems unideal.

If B) is true, why are folks clamoring to make this trade again? The Spurs would have a chance to draft two players who could be better than Murray and keep future cap space open. They could make a future trade -- fuck, even a future Murray trade. That would make way more sense if you trust Wright's skill enough to project him drafting a better than fringe All-Star player in the 6-10 range.

I think folks need to get over the fear response that Kawhi asking out seems to have instilled in them. We all have ideas for what moves we'd like the team to make. That's normal. I think if most of us are honest with ourselves, we'd realize we often advocate for things that turn out to be bad decisions pretty often. Whether it's trying to trade two first-rounders for Taurean Prince or urging the team to offer big contracts to John Collins and Zach Lavine, we say stuff in the moment and get to move on knowing we don't actually have to get it right. That doesn't mean a Murray trade, were it to happen, would be a bad outcome. I think there are definite plus and hypothetical paths for it to be the start of a turn-around. I'm more just saying to stop getting stressed out over it. Rebuilding is going to take years -- actual years of our finite lives. It's not always going to be fun, and it's perfectly okay to take a step back from the team for a bit if you don't like the inevitable wait. There are plenty of reasons to stick around to watch right now in my opinion, but I don't think that winning is going to be one of those reasons for a bit if the team actually goes through the process I think it needs to in order to build a contender.
Finally some sense amongst all the stupidity

[Davidicus]

Rebuilding is marginal, not black or white. We’re not going to tank for x years, and then afterwards all of the sudden decide we’re going to compete! Sign all FAs, start trading all picks, all in one offseason and ok playoffs next year!

As we get marginally better, our draft picks will get marginally worse. Trading for DJM isn’t going to crater our 2024 pick, nor affect TOR pick. At least not statistically substantially. All for who exactly in this years draft? Who should we absolutely maximize another 2-10% chance to get by doing absolutely nothing no matter what opportunity comes by?

Not to mention we hold CHI, ATL, BOS, and DAL in our future.

DJM is worth that trade, he is a building block for the short and mid term future. That’s just my opinion, and others on the board agree or disagree. But the idea of all or nothing in rebuild just isn’t reality, especially when we already have VICTOR EFFING WEMBANYAMA. Ultra tanking for a higher % chance at Sarr, Flagg, or Boozer, saying no to everything else, is the smart thing to do?

[My Fault]

A Chris Paul Type PG From The Draft Isn’t Walking Through That Door. The Scenario People Want Is A Middling Prospect Type Like Anthony Black Or Derrick White In The Lottery Who Will Take Years To Learn The System And People Want A Lesser Type Vet Than Murray, Say Someone Like Schroder Or I Don’t Know, TJ McConnell— Cheap Players Who Would Start Until The Rook Is Ready And People Think There Is Some Kind Of Linear Progression From That? That Would Be Like LeBron’s Early Years Being Stuck With Z Igauskas And Larry Hughes… Because The Cavs Were Too Cheap And Pseudo-Savvy With Their Moves To Take Any Meaningful Risks. And Murray Is Hardly A Risk At His Current Salary And What We’d Ideally Give Up.

So Go On Guys, Let’s Waste Wemby’s Early Years By Being The Cavs Of Yesteryear Or Let’s Root For Having An Actual Plan In Place Where We Aren’t Praying For A Rando PG Prospect To Become The Next Tony Parker Without Any Veteran Support. The Spurs Can Do Both Develop And Compete, These Aren’t Mutually Exclusive.
I’ve enjoyed your takes in the past but right now you’re being emotional and not logical

[rascal]

I have absolutely no problem with exploring a cheap trade for Murray but I don't believe for a second ATL would consider taking a reasonable offer from the Spurs for Murray simply because of how badly they would be roasted in the media for it. This thread is a lot of speculation for something that has almost no shot of happening. IDGAF what Shams is reporting.

This

Let's give Atlanta an obvious low ball offer and think that it's going to get Murray isn't going to work.

[Dejounte]

I’ve enjoyed your takes in the past but right now you’re being emotional and not logical

My Fault :toast

[SpurSpike]

Atlanta is teeter tottering on a full rebuild vs a shuffle, perhaps we are looking at the wrong Atlanta guard...

Trae Young has always made it clear he wants to be paired with another all star caliber player. Wemby is a sure fire future all star...

Young has commented on Spurs media before saying things along the line of "that's an easy lob"

According to this source, if Atlanta does blow it up and Young is to be traded Young's camp would be open to pairing Young with Wemby...

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-dejounte-murray-trae-young-intrigue (https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-dejounte-murray-trae-young-intrigue)

[Dejounte]

If It Was For Trae, I’d Give Up Vassell, Our Top Pick This Year, And Maybe Even Give Back All Their Firsts.

That Duo Would Be Comparable To Giannis And Lillard.

[mo7888]

If It Was For Trae, I’d Give Up Vassell, Our Top Pick This Year, And Maybe Even Give Back All Their Firsts.

That Duo Would Be Comparable To Giannis And Lillard.

I'd try to include Keldon and keep Devin, but yea, I'd give a haul for sure.

[Dejounte]

I'd try to include Keldon and keep Devin, but yea, I'd give a haul for sure.

Yeah I Would Too. I Was Attempting To Be Realistic

[SpurSpike]

If they decide on a full rebuild why would they want Vassel? I think they would take a pick heavy offer with matching salaries. Like both our lottery picks this year and some or all of their draft picks back. Maybe try to hold onto that 2025 pick... Or do i just have my Spurs shades on?

[mo7888]

Yeah I Would Too. I Was Attempting To Be Realistic

Realistically, I don't think they'd really want either in a full tear down scenario. It'd be picks and space that would entice them.

[Brazil]

I'm torn by this idea, I understand arguments from both side.
First and to clear things up, Atlanta is shopping Murray and it is natural that FO is looking at it. Spurs have picks, cap space, youmg prospects in the roster for that. At one point Spurs will have to transform part of those picks anyway.

Now to evaluate if it is worth it, you look into 2 directions:

1. price tag, you don't have to commit too much on a above average player who has had some issues with FO before
2. is this move will help Wemby development ? That's the question that needs to be answered. Spurs are lacking veteran leadership, Murray would be a significant upgrade vs. Tre and ease Wemby life. Is easing Wemby life good on the long run ? not really sure, with this roster Wemby has to do a bit of everything, create his offense, pass the ball, compensate bad defensive rotation... he is getting tons of responsability.

We can say whatever the fuck we want about Pop rotation, experiments, cry about the fact we are pathetic... I'm following Victor since his professional debut with Nanterre and I can tell you that the progress he made in 2,5 months are outstanding. Is that not the whole point of this season ? I don't believe at the :cry we are creating a looser culture :cry Yes we are one of the worst team in the league but our number 1 pick is doing great, he is improving every game and fucking healthy. Be happy Spurs fans this is what matter for now

[Davidicus]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-dejounte-murray-trae-young-intrigue

"Shams Charania of The Athletic reported this week that the Spurs have an interest in trading for Murray after dealing him two years ago for five first-round picks. (Pretty smart, you get a point guard back and you make the team that owes you five picks worse.)
Charania noted that Murray is under contract, so the Spurs have the leverage. However, there are indications Murray doesn't have significant interest in returning to the Spurs.
A more interesting question is if the Spurs and Hawks would have interest in a deal for Young. League sources have suggested that Young's camp would be open — if he is traded, which is a significant clause here — to pairing Young with Victor Wembanyama. The two teams have already done a big trade for Murray, obviously, and Atlanta would surely be interested in getting back some of the draft picks it sent the Spurs for Murray.
The most likely scenario, obviously, is that the Hawks keep Young and continue to build around him as their franchise cornerstone. But the uncertainty of everything with the Hawks leaves the door open for a lot of outcomes."

"Now for Murray.
Multiple outlets have reported that the Knicks remain interested in Murray after trading OG Anunoby. There will always be some skepticism about the viability of a deal given the Knicks' ties to super-agency CAA and Murray's representation at rival super-agency Klutch Sports. But business is business, and Murray fits the archetype of the kind of two-way player the Knicks want as a star.
However, if we're handicapping where Murray ends up? We start with the Los Angeles Lakers. Murray is a Klutch client, so no surprise there's interest here. But while there was a flurry of discussion about Zach LaVine (also Klutch) a month ago, it's become clear that Murray is the compromise Klutch and the Lakers' front office can reach. The Lakers' front office has leaked that they want a two-way player, which Murray is, and LaVine is not.
Murray is an upgrade in playmaking and defense over D'Angelo Russell, who would be included in any deal. The Hawks, three different league sources asserted this week, would be open to a Lakers deal if it includes Austin Reaves. Reaves has played better individually as of late, but the Lakers are seven points worse per 100 possessions with Reaves on the floor vs. on the bench, the second-worst mark of any rotation player behind the now-benched Jaxson Hayes.
Finally — and I want to stress this is speculative (but interesting) — one league executive suggested keeping an eye on the Cavaliers in Murray talks if the Cavs decide they have to move Donovan Mitchell before the final year of his contract. (Mitchell has a player option for 2025-26, and there has been nothing but a barrage of reporting that Mitchell will not re-sign and prefers a New York team as his next home.)
Murray would provide a replacement guard next to Darius Garland, and the Knicks would send the kind of assets Atlanta would want if they are indeed selling.
In other Atlanta news, the Bulls, Rockets and Knicks have expressed interest in AJ Griffin, who has fallen out of the rotation under Quin Snyder this season. The Pelicans have some interest in Clint Capela, if they decide to move off Jonas Valanciunas, and Toronto has interest in De'Andre Hunter."

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Regarding Dejounte: Gives you an idea on purported price. Keldon aint Reaves or Mitchell, meaning they'd probably want KJ + 2 good 1st rounders (dont trade Vassell). If it's that high, no thanks.

Regarding Dejounte interest comment: Wondering verification on that. And how Spurs FO reacts if true.

Regarding Young: Quite hesitant on that. But would be so funny seeing Trae + Wemby stand side-by-side

[baseline bum]

I'm torn by this idea, I understand arguments from both side.
First and to clear things up, Atlanta is shopping Murray and it is natural that FO is looking at it. Spurs have picks, cap space, youmg prospects in the roster for that. At one point Spurs will have to transform part of those picks anyway.

Now to evaluate if it is worth it, you look into 2 directions:

1. price tag, you don't have to commit too much on a above average player who has had some issues with FO before
2. is this move will help Wemby development ? That's the question that needs to be answered. Spurs are lacking veteran leadership, Murray would be a significant upgrade vs. Tre and ease Wemby life. Is easing Wemby life good on the long run ? not really sure, with this roster Wemby has to do a bit of everything, create his offense, pass the ball, compensate bad defensive rotation... he is getting tons of responsability.

We can say whatever the fuck we want about Pop rotation, experiments, cry about the fact we are pathetic... I'm following Victor since his professional debut with Nanterre and I can tell you that the progress he made in 2,5 months are outstanding. Is that not the whole point of this season ? I don't believe at the :cry we are creating a looser culture :cry Yes we are one of the worst team in the league but our number 1 pick is doing great, he is improving every game and fucking healthy. Be happy Spurs fans this is what matter for now

Vic has really gotten so much stronger. Early in the season when people were bitching about him not getting looks in the post I understood it because he was getting bullied on the block and wasn't really even able to score against SFs. But 2.5 months later he's getting to be pretty solid on the post and isn't getting pushed to the three point line on the catch like he was in the early season. I'm amazed he has adjusted to the physicality so quickly. Not saying he's Tim on the block but he's a good option there regardless of who is on him now.

[Davidicus]

https://sports.yahoo.com/dejounte-murray-emerging-as-perhaps-the-most-likely-all-star-caliber-talent-to-be-moved-174205743.html

"And at this juncture, to varying degrees, the Lakers, Knicks, Sixers, Heat and Pistons are five suitors expected to engage Atlanta about acquiring Murray over the coming days and weeks before Feb 8."

"And while the Spurs continue to be mentioned by league personnel as a potential landing spot for Murray, San Antonio does not currently bill as a probable outcome for Atlanta’s trade approach either, sources said."

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Of the 6 teams the author listed out as "interested in Murray", he proceeded to either state why it wouldn't work (LA, NY), pontificate with no real evidence (PHI, DET), or just state talks are actually non-existent (MIA, BKN).

[scott]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-dejounte-murray-trae-young-intrigue

"Shams Charania of The Athletic reported this week that the Spurs have an interest in trading for Murray after dealing him two years ago for five first-round picks. (Pretty smart, you get a point guard back and you make the team that owes you five picks worse.)
Charania noted that Murray is under contract, so the Spurs have the leverage. However, there are indications Murray doesn't have significant interest in returning to the Spurs.
A more interesting question is if the Spurs and Hawks would have interest in a deal for Young. League sources have suggested that Young's camp would be open — if he is traded, which is a significant clause here — to pairing Young with Victor Wembanyama. The two teams have already done a big trade for Murray, obviously, and Atlanta would surely be interested in getting back some of the draft picks it sent the Spurs for Murray.
The most likely scenario, obviously, is that the Hawks keep Young and continue to build around him as their franchise cornerstone. But the uncertainty of everything with the Hawks leaves the door open for a lot of outcomes."

"Now for Murray.
Multiple outlets have reported that the Knicks remain interested in Murray after trading OG Anunoby. There will always be some skepticism about the viability of a deal given the Knicks' ties to super-agency CAA and Murray's representation at rival super-agency Klutch Sports. But business is business, and Murray fits the archetype of the kind of two-way player the Knicks want as a star.
However, if we're handicapping where Murray ends up? We start with the Los Angeles Lakers. Murray is a Klutch client, so no surprise there's interest here. But while there was a flurry of discussion about Zach LaVine (also Klutch) a month ago, it's become clear that Murray is the compromise Klutch and the Lakers' front office can reach. The Lakers' front office has leaked that they want a two-way player, which Murray is, and LaVine is not.
Murray is an upgrade in playmaking and defense over D'Angelo Russell, who would be included in any deal. The Hawks, three different league sources asserted this week, would be open to a Lakers deal if it includes Austin Reaves. Reaves has played better individually as of late, but the Lakers are seven points worse per 100 possessions with Reaves on the floor vs. on the bench, the second-worst mark of any rotation player behind the now-benched Jaxson Hayes.
Finally — and I want to stress this is speculative (but interesting) — one league executive suggested keeping an eye on the Cavaliers in Murray talks if the Cavs decide they have to move Donovan Mitchell before the final year of his contract. (Mitchell has a player option for 2025-26, and there has been nothing but a barrage of reporting that Mitchell will not re-sign and prefers a New York team as his next home.)
Murray would provide a replacement guard next to Darius Garland, and the Knicks would send the kind of assets Atlanta would want if they are indeed selling.
In other Atlanta news, the Bulls, Rockets and Knicks have expressed interest in AJ Griffin, who has fallen out of the rotation under Quin Snyder this season. The Pelicans have some interest in Clint Capela, if they decide to move off Jonas Valanciunas, and Toronto has interest in De'Andre Hunter."

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Regarding Dejounte: Gives you an idea on purported price. Keldon aint Reaves or Mitchell, meaning they'd probably want KJ + 2 good 1st rounders (dont trade Vassell). If it's that high, no thanks.

Regarding Dejounte interest comment: Wondering verification on that. And how Spurs FO reacts if true.

Regarding Young: Quite hesitant on that. But would be so funny seeing Trae + Wemby stand side-by-side

Great report. Despite my advocacy for Dejounte's return - if he isn't too keen on coming back, then fuck it, I don't want him. If the price for Murray is so high that it is for guys like Reaves or Mitchell, then it might be higher than I'd be willing to spend, and that's okay - good for the Hawks I guess. Again, my max offer is our '27 FRP and the CHI FRP and then whatever scrubs are needed to make the salaries work.

Would still love to find a way to get Patty in here though. Cedi for Patty is really the only thing that works salary wise, but seems like we kind of need Cedi, and it would surprise me if Cedi game back on a cheap deal this off-season.

The Trae talk is interesting but I don't see the Hawks going that route and then Chinook's comments about going all in for a player this early are more relevant. I'd generally agree we don't need to blow our entire war chest right now, and certainly not for Trae. If it were for Halliburton or SGA... my opinion would be different, but not for Trae (in my opinion, which is probably wrong).

[spurraider21]

Vic has really gotten so much stronger. Early in the season when people were bitching about him not getting looks in the post I understood it because he was getting bullied on the block and wasn't really even able to score against SFs. But 2.5 months later he's getting to be pretty solid on the post and isn't getting pushed to the three point line on the catch like he was in the early season. I'm amazed he has adjusted to the physicality so quickly. Not saying he's Tim on the block but he's a good option there regardless of who is on him now.
its wild because you can tell he's still kind of improvising down there every time. almost every shot he takes looks different. different hand, different footwork, different release, etc. he's going to get a lot better

[scott]

Man, Detroit would be a sneaky destination for DJM. Ivey + picks or maybe Ivey + Duren for DJM and Capela would be interesting for both teams. I think DJM would be a nice fit next to Cade, definitely better than the Cade/Ivey fit (IMO).

Ivey does not fit next to Trae though, other than maybe as trying to develop him into a key 6th man.

[Davidicus]

Great report. Despite my advocacy for Dejounte's return - if he isn't too keen on coming back, then fuck it, I don't want him. If the price for Murray is so high that it is for guys like Reaves or Mitchell, then it might be higher than I'd be willing to spend, and that's okay - good for the Hawks I guess. Again, my max offer is our '27 FRP and the CHI FRP and then whatever scrubs are needed to make the salaries work.

Would still love to find a way to get Patty in here though. Cedi for Patty is really the only thing that works salary wise, but seems like we kind of need Cedi, and it would surprise me if Cedi game back on a cheap deal this off-season.

The Trae talk is interesting but I don't see the Hawks going that route and then Chinook's comments about going all in for a player this early are more relevant. I'd generally agree we don't need to blow our entire war chest right now, and certainly not for Trae. If it were for Halliburton or SGA... my opinion would be different, but not for Trae (in my opinion, which is probably wrong).

Would love Patty as well. I don't think we need to give up anything - he's a FA this Summer, and at this point in his career he's most valuable to us vs almost any other team. Towel time!

[Mr. Body]

LA, NY, and CHI as an outsider seem the likely destinations for Murray, and it seems steam is gathering that he might be moved. I never believed the Spurs were an actual landing spot. Any rumors were to generate interest or to help facilitate.

LAL would be a prime drop-off, especially if SpursTalk favorite Austin Reaves is acceptable to the Hawks. This would be great, as he's a poor defender and I don't think the Hawks get enough out of Los Angeles to improve themselves that much.

As much as Atlanta would want Siakam, he appears to control his destiny given likelihood/unlikelihood of resigning. The Kings have already backed away. Not sure he'd want to stay in Atlanta.

Interesting that AJ Griffin has fallen out of the rotation. Some were pretty high on him (not just here) in that draft, but he was so slow and didn't do much of anything. Another location might help.

[mo7888]

LA, NY, and CHI as an outsider seem the likely destinations for Murray, and it seems steam is gathering that he might be moved. I never believed the Spurs were an actual landing spot. Any rumors were to generate interest or to help facilitate.

LAL would be a prime drop-off, especially if SpursTalk favorite Austin Reaves is acceptable to the Hawks. This would be great, as he's a poor defender and I don't think the Hawks get enough out of Los Angeles to improve themselves that much.

As much as Atlanta would want Siakam, he appears to control his destiny given likelihood/unlikelihood of resigning. The Kings have already backed away. Not sure he'd want to stay in Atlanta.

Interesting that AJ Griffin has fallen out of the rotation. Some were pretty high on him (not just here) in that draft, but he was so slow and didn't do much of anything. Another location might help.

Yep. I'm not worried about LA, Chi, or NY offering packages that help Atlanta in 25-27. If we're not in it, and it appears we aren't, these are good destinations for our interest.

[Brazil]

its wild because you can tell he's still kind of improvising down there every time. almost every shot he takes looks different. different hand, different footwork, different release, etc. he's going to get a lot better

It's like he is trying something new every game, you can tell against Detroit he was focusing on passing. Passing is for me his biggest improvement, he has always been a willing passer but what we are seeing right now is different (he is still far from being Jokic but damn). Regarding his strength I agree with base, he does not let anybody pushing him around anymore but I was not too concerned by that, he has never been a soft player shying away from the contacts, getting a bit of muscles was part of the plan.

[baseline bum]

Would still love to find a way to get Patty in here though. Cedi for Patty is really the only thing that works salary wise, but seems like we kind of need Cedi, and it would surprise me if Cedi game back on a cheap deal this off-season.


Would you be playing Patty at backup SG next year? If the Spurs can get Dillingham in the draft I'd really like him backing Tre up and getting 20 minutes a game to begin his career. Don't want to see him in Austin playing against scrubs just because we have a strong backup in Mills.

[spurraider21]

LAL would be a prime drop-off, especially if SpursTalk favorite Austin Reaves is acceptable to the Hawks. This would be great, as he's a poor defender and I don't think the Hawks get enough out of Los Angeles to improve themselves that much.
we gotta get on this in a 3 team deal right away

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cia pop gets all the apologies if this was his masterplan to acquire reaves without having to outbid for him as a RFA

[baseline bum]

LA, NY, and CHI as an outsider seem the likely destinations for Murray, and it seems steam is gathering that he might be moved. I never believed the Spurs were an actual landing spot. Any rumors were to generate interest or to help facilitate.

LAL would be a prime drop-off, especially if SpursTalk favorite Austin Reaves is acceptable to the Hawks. This would be great, as he's a poor defender and I don't think the Hawks get enough out of Los Angeles to improve themselves that much.

As much as Atlanta would want Siakam, he appears to control his destiny given likelihood/unlikelihood of resigning. The Kings have already backed away. Not sure he'd want to stay in Atlanta.

Interesting that AJ Griffin has fallen out of the rotation. Some were pretty high on him (not just here) in that draft, but he was so slow and didn't do much of anything. Another location might help.

Can't believe how over his head he played last year. He was elite defensively (top 1/3 of the league in DFG) and shot 40% from the three. This year he's bottom 1/3 of the league in DFG and shooting 34% from the three. Thank fucking god the Spurs didn't offer him that 4 year $100 million deal some were clamoring for. Don't think he's really even worth the $56 million deal LA signed him for.

[baseline bum]

we gotta get on this in a 3 team deal right away

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cia pop gets all the apologies if this was his masterplan to acquire reaves without having to outbid for him as a RFA

He's almost as bad as Sochan defensively this year, no thanks.

[Chinook]

DFG doesn't mean a ton for a guard, especially a combo-guard. It's better to have a good one than a bad one, but it doesn't tell much about perimeter defense without much more context.

[Leetonidas]

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-trade-intel-dejounte-murray-trae-young-intrigue

"Shams Charania of The Athletic reported this week that the Spurs have an interest in trading for Murray after dealing him two years ago for five first-round picks. (Pretty smart, you get a point guard back and you make the team that owes you five picks worse.)
Charania noted that Murray is under contract, so the Spurs have the leverage. However, there are indications Murray doesn't have significant interest in returning to the Spurs.
A more interesting question is if the Spurs and Hawks would have interest in a deal for Young. League sources have suggested that Young's camp would be open — if he is traded, which is a significant clause here — to pairing Young with Victor Wembanyama. The two teams have already done a big trade for Murray, obviously, and Atlanta would surely be interested in getting back some of the draft picks it sent the Spurs for Murray.
The most likely scenario, obviously, is that the Hawks keep Young and continue to build around him as their franchise cornerstone. But the uncertainty of everything with the Hawks leaves the door open for a lot of outcomes."

"Now for Murray.
Multiple outlets have reported that the Knicks remain interested in Murray after trading OG Anunoby. There will always be some skepticism about the viability of a deal given the Knicks' ties to super-agency CAA and Murray's representation at rival super-agency Klutch Sports. But business is business, and Murray fits the archetype of the kind of two-way player the Knicks want as a star.
However, if we're handicapping where Murray ends up? We start with the Los Angeles Lakers. Murray is a Klutch client, so no surprise there's interest here. But while there was a flurry of discussion about Zach LaVine (also Klutch) a month ago, it's become clear that Murray is the compromise Klutch and the Lakers' front office can reach. The Lakers' front office has leaked that they want a two-way player, which Murray is, and LaVine is not.
Murray is an upgrade in playmaking and defense over D'Angelo Russell, who would be included in any deal. The Hawks, three different league sources asserted this week, would be open to a Lakers deal if it includes Austin Reaves. Reaves has played better individually as of late, but the Lakers are seven points worse per 100 possessions with Reaves on the floor vs. on the bench, the second-worst mark of any rotation player behind the now-benched Jaxson Hayes.
Finally — and I want to stress this is speculative (but interesting) — one league executive suggested keeping an eye on the Cavaliers in Murray talks if the Cavs decide they have to move Donovan Mitchell before the final year of his contract. (Mitchell has a player option for 2025-26, and there has been nothing but a barrage of reporting that Mitchell will not re-sign and prefers a New York team as his next home.)
Murray would provide a replacement guard next to Darius Garland, and the Knicks would send the kind of assets Atlanta would want if they are indeed selling.
In other Atlanta news, the Bulls, Rockets and Knicks have expressed interest in AJ Griffin, who has fallen out of the rotation under Quin Snyder this season. The Pelicans have some interest in Clint Capela, if they decide to move off Jonas Valanciunas, and Toronto has interest in De'Andre Hunter."

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Regarding Dejounte: Gives you an idea on purported price. Keldon aint Reaves or Mitchell, meaning they'd probably want KJ + 2 good 1st rounders (dont trade Vassell). If it's that high, no thanks.

Regarding Dejounte interest comment: Wondering verification on that. And how Spurs FO reacts if true.

Regarding Young: Quite hesitant on that. But would be so funny seeing Trae + Wemby stand side-by-side

I'm not big on Trae but a big like Wemby would be his absolute best pairing, and the two of them together would be an incredible one-two punch. Dude is a master of lobs and Wemby'd probably get an extra 10 points a game just from the lobs he'd be getting from Trae.

Obviously he's a terrible defensive player so we'd need to get some elite defenders in the SL. But it's hard to imagine a better offensive pairing. Id return them their picks for Young tbh. But I imagine he'd fetch more from other teams

[Seventyniner]

Murray was guarding Maxey last night, though Maxey cooked him several times.

[scott]

Would you be playing Patty at backup SG next year? If the Spurs can get Dillingham in the draft I'd really like him backing Tre up and getting 20 minutes a game to begin his career. Don't want to see him in Austin playing against scrubs just because we have a strong backup in Mills.

I'd want him playing the Devonte Graham, towel waver role

[TD 21]

Murray would not be tantamount to going "all-in" (neither would Quickley have been), it's not going to be easy to get players of that caliber in this draft (even if they do, you've got to wait on them to develop) and there's phases to building a contender. This notion of, if you do X, that's the core for the entirety of the Wembanyama era, is asinine.

The incremental re-build would be fine with a typical centerpiece, but they have an potential all-time one. They can't risk being historically bad or close again next season, contribute to costing him accolades and taking years just to build a playoff team. Thinking that won't expedite his departure is naive.

There's a tight rope between blowing their load and sitting on their hands that they need to walk.

[rascal]

Would love Patty as well. I don't think we need to give up anything - he's a FA this Summer, and at this point in his career he's most valuable to us vs almost any other team. Towel time!

Why? Because he's a former Spur?

Patty Mills will be 36 in August.

[poopbox]

I have absolutely no problem with exploring a cheap trade for Murray but I don't believe for a second ATL would consider taking a reasonable offer from the Spurs for Murray simply because of how badly they would be roasted in the media for it. This thread is a lot of speculation for something that has almost no shot of happening. IDGAF what Shams is reporting.

Yeah I don't see anyway that we get Murray without giving Atlanta back at least one of its unprotected picks in 25 or 27 and we should absolutely NOT do that cause the Hawks do not have a good track record of doing trades, that's how they got in this mess in the first place, and they can absolutely fuck this up enough and be bad enough to give us a top 10 pick in 25 and 27.

Shit the Hawks could be a Trae Young injury or trade away from giving us Cooper in 2025

[scott]

Reminder again for everyone that the Tim Duncan era had 4 distinct timelines, with him being a member of the core for three of them, and each of those 3 chipped (and the 4th should have chipped).

Timeline 1: DRob, Timmy, Sean
Timeline 2: Tim, Tony, Manu
Timeline 3: Beautiful Game
Timeline 4: Kawhi, LMA (Tim only part of this one for his last season).

It is absurd (and flat out unrealistic) to think that every move we make has to be for a sidekick for Wemby's entire career.

[rascal]

Yeah I don't see anyway that we get Murray without giving Atlanta back at least one of its unprotected picks in 25 or 27 and we should absolutely NOT do that cause the Hawks do not have a good track record of doing trades, that's how they got in this mess in the first place, and they can absolutely fuck this up enough and be bad enough to give us a top 10 pick in 25 and 27.

Shit the Hawks could be a Trae Young injury or trade away from giving us Cooper in 2025

Spurs will have many lottery balls for the number one pick next year.

[exstatic]

I'm not big on Trae but a big like Wemby would be his absolute best pairing, and the two of them together would be an incredible one-two punch. Dude is a master of lobs and Wemby'd probably get an extra 10 points a game just from the lobs he'd be getting from Trae.

Obviously he's a terrible defensive player so we'd need to get some elite defenders in the SL. But it's hard to imagine a better offensive pairing. Id return them their picks for Young tbh. But I imagine he'd fetch more from other teams

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.

[Tyronn Lue]

No one plays any defense these days, thus the 150pt games against even good teams. Why even question someone's defense if they can shoot the 3? (rhetorical)

[spurraider21]

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.
i know you have a hate boner for Trae, but suggesting that Trae + Capela would be the same offense as Trae + Wemby is just... is just...


https://i.redd.it/wvofy09w4mxb1.jpg

[DAF86]

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.

Dude, you are all in for bringing Dejounte back, but you wouldn't want Trae? :lol

Trae >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dejounte

And I'm not even that high on Trae either, tbh.

[Leetonidas]

I don’t want Wemby reduced to just a lob threat, which is what a heliocentric guard like a Trae would do. He is literally useless without the ball in his hands, and I want Wemby running the offense. If you’re going to get Trae, just have Capella thrown in, and send Wemby to ATL. The offense would run exactly the same with Trae at the helm.

There are plenty of guards in the NBA who can throw a lob AND play off the ball AND play defense.
My point wasn't to turn him into a lob threat only obviously:lol

And there may be lots of guards like that in the NBA but there aren't any that drop 30/10 regularly like Young. Like I said I'm not big on Trae just saying if one of him or DJ are available I'd rather go after Young

[exstatic]

My point wasn't to turn him into a lob threat only obviously:lol

And there may be lots of guards like that in the NBA but there aren't any that drop 30/10 regularly like Young. Like I said I'm not big on Trae just saying if one of him or DJ are available I'd rather go after Young

His career 3G% is 35, the NBA average. He scores 30 by shooting like a heroin addict. Every one of those shots is a shot that Wemby wouldn’t be taking.

[Seventyniner]

His career 3G% is 35, the NBA average. He scores 30 by shooting like a heroin addict. Every one of those shots is a shot that Wemby wouldn’t be taking.

There is more to it than that. Among players with at least a 20.0% usage rate (league average, 100 players qualify), Trae Young is 10th in free throw rate (free throw attempts per field goal attempt) at 0.426 and 45th in true shooting percentage at 0.585 (ahead of players like Jamal Murray, Maxey, Fox, Mitchell, Ant, JJJ, Garland).

That's plenty efficient enough for a #2 option. Whether Trae would accept being the #2 option is a whole other can of worms. He is #2 in the league in assist percent (percentage of a team's made field goals that player assisted on while on the floor), though to me that points more to him being a Harden/Westbrook type ballhog (though his usage rate is only 31.3%, not the 40+ of Rockets Harden and "MVP" Thunder Westbrook) than being a Stockton/Magic level assist wizard.

I don't think Trae would be an good fit with Wemby and the Spurs given his play style and lack of defense, but he is certainly efficient on offense.

[playbonner15]

Trae Young is most def a better player than Dejounte. But knowing FO, they're going to do this slowly. Im prepared to see this team in the lottery again next season

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

trae young is a poster child for losing basketball (unintentional, unlike pop's tanking)

um ... no please!

[J_Paco]

No thanks to either Atlanta guard. Plus, looks like DeJounte doesn't want to return to San Antonio like I thought.

I guess all that arguing for his return and pompous retorts by ST regulars (who I usually am cordial with) was for nothing. LMAO

[benefactor]

You guys don't want Trae Young?
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

[benefactor]

Losing his obviously turned all of your brains into mush

[J_Paco]

Losing his obviously turned all of your brains into mush

DeJounte would be the perfect guard on this team, IMO, if he was three years younger and didn't send out bad vibes with that stupid podcast interview.

He's also become very similar to Kawhi as his career has advanced. He obviously isn't good or as accomplished, but as his offensive game as improved the other side (where he had the potential to be an All - NBA defender) has steadily regressed.

And if he can get better quickly and continue to build on his 'better' recent play, then there isn't any reason why Blake Wesley could be DeJounte - lite.

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/nbanews109/status/1747037337492803593?s=46

My Guy Would Have No Reason To Say What He Said Here Unless He Meant It. Bring Him Home Tbh

[scott]

Definite contradiction versus the earlier report that he wasn't too keen on the idea. This is a good development, if for no other reason that is leaves options open.

[vy65]

He looked like ass today, although he’s got a fucked hamstring.

Trae continued the “easy lob” narrative in the post game tho

[Dejounte]

He looked like ass today, although he’s got a fucked hamstring.

Trae continued the “easy lob” narrative in the post game tho

What A Tease… Someone Needs To Shave The Pubes On His Head Once And For All

[NASpurs]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/1/15/24038442/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-spurs-lakers-dejounte-murray-trae-young

1. The San Antonio Spurs Should Make a Big Trade (Eventually)

You ever think about getting back with an ex? That’s what the Spurs are reportedly considering right now. In recent days, both The Athletic’s Shams Charania and ESPN’s Zach Lowe said the Spurs have registered interest in acquiring Dejounte Murray from the Atlanta Hawks. It makes sense. Victor Wembanyama hasn’t benefited from playing with a high-level point guard yet, and Murray was an All-Star in his final season with the Spurs, posting a 3.5 assist-to-turnover ratio. When he’s at his best, he’s an elite defensive guard who rebounds at a high level. Though he’s not defending at the same level for the lowly Hawks, he’s made significant strides as a scorer in Atlanta. The Spurs wouldn’t have been bad enough to win the lottery and draft Wembanyama had they not traded away Murray. But following a 7-31 start to the season, maybe getting back together with Murray could be the move the Spurs need to turn things around.

After trading Murray to the Hawks (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/6/29/23188926/dejounte-murray-trade-atlanta-hawks-san-antonio-spurs) 18 months ago, the Spurs own Atlanta’s first-round picks in 2025 and 2027 plus the right to swap firsts in 2026. From people I’ve spoken with, the Hawks are asking for two firsts in return for Murray, who would prefer to join a team with a chance to make an immediate playoff run. So far, no one has met their demands. The problem for San Antonio is that Atlanta’s future firsts might be too valuable to give back. The Hawks look like a team on the ropes at 15-23, on the outside looking in at the play-in race in the East. Would it really be in San Antonio’s best interest to send even one of those picks back when their value is skyrocketing?

Of course, it’s clear why the Spurs would be interested in a Murray return. Starting Tre Jones at point guard has shown San Antonio’s upside with a true floor general at the helm. In over 239 minutes with Wemby at center and Jones at point guard, San Antonio is outscoring opponents by 8.6 points per 100 possessions, according to PBP Stats. Running the offense through Jeremy Sochan was a worthy experiment (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/11/6/23948501/nba-sophomores-shaedon-sharpe-paolo-banchero) to find out how he could handle an expanded role, and it helped raise the Spurs’ lottery odds in the process. But a steady game manager who minimizes mistakes is what Wembanyama and the Spurs will need. If Murray were starting and Jones was coming off the bench, Wemby would always be paired with a shot creator (in contrast to some of the awkward lineups he’s been in this season).

But as good as Murray is, the Hawks point guard that the Spurs should be chasing is Trae Young. While Atlanta isn’t seeking out deals for Young as it is for Murray, we’re moving toward a point when those intentions could change. The Murray trade was a flop. Outside of Jalen Johnson, the draft picks on the wing haven’t panned out. The team is losing. Young wants nothing more than to win a title with Atlanta, but he’s posting big, empty numbers on a team that might not even make the play-in. Unless the Hawks become more than playoff fodder, it should surprise no one if Young, who is 25 and in the prime of his career, and the franchise mutually decide that a divorce is in everyone’s best interest.

San Antonio would be a dream fit for Young. Wembanyama and Young are both elite while being on opposite ends of the physical spectrum, making them a diverse duo that teams wouldn’t want to switch screens against. Trae is one of the league’s best at feeding easy shots to bigs, which would allow Wemby to score off of rolls and cuts on a regular basis. This season, Young has also embraced playing with more off-ball movement under Quin Snyder. If he was paired with a big with playmaking skills (like Wembanyama), then he could become even more potent in handoff and two-man actions. Together, they could be one of the league’s most powerful duos on offense. And on defense, Young is playing harder than ever; he’s small and will be targeted in the playoffs, but there’s no better antidote for a weaker defender than to have Wembanyama protecting the paint.

No team has a greater need for a point guard than the Spurs, making them an intriguing landing spot for Young. The biggest question, though, is whether Gregg Popovich would want Trae, an unproven system fit, over Murray, who made significant strides with the franchise—or the alternatives of building through the draft or targeting an entirely different player in a trade. Linking back up with Murray right now wouldn’t be the worst decision for the Spurs. But the chance to swipe right on Trae is worth the wait.

[exstatic]

You guys don't want Trae Young?
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

Absofuckinglutely not.

[Kevin]

Spurs should really keep their powder dry for guys like Murray or Reaves but if Young hits the market they should be all in. Trade away a bunch of picks for Young and take another top five pick with their own selection who's on the same timeline as Wemby.

[Spurs Homer]

Keldon sucks
vassell sucks
branham sucks
collins sucks


trade them all

[timtonymanu]

You guys don't want Trae Young?
:lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

But some of these faggots wanted primo back

[exstatic]

Spurs should really keep their powder dry for guys like Murray or Reaves but if Young hits the market they should be all in. Trade away a bunch of picks for Young and take another top five pick with their own selection who's on the same timeline as Wemby.

Atlanta is going to want all of their picks back, plus our pick this year, plus the Toronto pick, at a minimum. We’re fucked if it doesn’t work out, and Victors championship window closes in his early 20s. No one comes here as a FA, and we will have no way to get a high draft pick.

We need an opportunistic scorer PG who can defend at a high level and distribute the ball. Think Jrue Holiday, Brogdon type. Then you get a scoring wing, and a high level SG with your high picks.

[Mr. Body]

Atlanta is going to want all of their picks back, plus our pick this year, plus the Toronto pick, at a minimum. We’re fucked if it doesn’t work out, and Victors championship window closes in his early 20s. No one comes here as a FA, and we will have no way to get a high draft pick.

We need an opportunistic scorer PG who can defend at a high level and distribute the ball. Think Jrue Holiday, Brogdon type. Then you get a scoring wing, and a high level SG with your high picks.

We have a bad roster crunch coming up, but that'll be figured out. There's no way I trade those unprotected ATL picks for anything. We can find scoring.

[exstatic]

We have a bad roster crunch coming up, but that'll be figured out. There's no way I trade those unprotected ATL picks for anything. We can find scoring.

This.

[CGD]

Young would be a good fit, but they really should resist draining their asset pool now. Murray would be a good fit, and cost less, but also not the long term solution. It’s an interesting hypothetical.

[spurraider21]

We have a bad roster crunch coming up, but that'll be figured out. There's no way I trade those unprotected ATL picks for anything. We can find scoring.
we have 2 first rounders coming in, in all likelihood.

but mcdermott, osman, graham, mamu are gone. they probably pick between bassey and barlow for the 3rd C spot behind collins. really hoping they dont actually make 3 second round selections unless they feel they can get at least 2 of 3 on two-way deals

and thats assuming there are no outgoing players in trades, not that anybody besides wemby should be off limits

[mo7888]

We have a bad roster crunch coming up, but that'll be figured out. There's no way I trade those unprotected ATL picks for anything. We can find scoring.

100%

[mo7888]

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2024/1/15/24038442/nba-trade-rumors-deadline-spurs-lakers-dejounte-murray-trae-young

1. The San Antonio Spurs Should Make a Big Trade (Eventually)

You ever think about getting back with an ex? That’s what the Spurs are reportedly considering right now. In recent days, both The Athletic’s Shams Charania and ESPN’s Zach Lowe said the Spurs have registered interest in acquiring Dejounte Murray from the Atlanta Hawks. It makes sense. Victor Wembanyama hasn’t benefited from playing with a high-level point guard yet, and Murray was an All-Star in his final season with the Spurs, posting a 3.5 assist-to-turnover ratio. When he’s at his best, he’s an elite defensive guard who rebounds at a high level. Though he’s not defending at the same level for the lowly Hawks, he’s made significant strides as a scorer in Atlanta. The Spurs wouldn’t have been bad enough to win the lottery and draft Wembanyama had they not traded away Murray. But following a 7-31 start to the season, maybe getting back together with Murray could be the move the Spurs need to turn things around.

After trading Murray to the Hawks (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/6/29/23188926/dejounte-murray-trade-atlanta-hawks-san-antonio-spurs) 18 months ago, the Spurs own Atlanta’s first-round picks in 2025 and 2027 plus the right to swap firsts in 2026. From people I’ve spoken with, the Hawks are asking for two firsts in return for Murray, who would prefer to join a team with a chance to make an immediate playoff run. So far, no one has met their demands. The problem for San Antonio is that Atlanta’s future firsts might be too valuable to give back. The Hawks look like a team on the ropes at 15-23, on the outside looking in at the play-in race in the East. Would it really be in San Antonio’s best interest to send even one of those picks back when their value is skyrocketing?

Of course, it’s clear why the Spurs would be interested in a Murray return. Starting Tre Jones at point guard has shown San Antonio’s upside with a true floor general at the helm. In over 239 minutes with Wemby at center and Jones at point guard, San Antonio is outscoring opponents by 8.6 points per 100 possessions, according to PBP Stats. Running the offense through Jeremy Sochan was a worthy experiment (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2023/11/6/23948501/nba-sophomores-shaedon-sharpe-paolo-banchero) to find out how he could handle an expanded role, and it helped raise the Spurs’ lottery odds in the process. But a steady game manager who minimizes mistakes is what Wembanyama and the Spurs will need. If Murray were starting and Jones was coming off the bench, Wemby would always be paired with a shot creator (in contrast to some of the awkward lineups he’s been in this season).

But as good as Murray is, the Hawks point guard that the Spurs should be chasing is Trae Young. While Atlanta isn’t seeking out deals for Young as it is for Murray, we’re moving toward a point when those intentions could change. The Murray trade was a flop. Outside of Jalen Johnson, the draft picks on the wing haven’t panned out. The team is losing. Young wants nothing more than to win a title with Atlanta, but he’s posting big, empty numbers on a team that might not even make the play-in. Unless the Hawks become more than playoff fodder, it should surprise no one if Young, who is 25 and in the prime of his career, and the franchise mutually decide that a divorce is in everyone’s best interest.

San Antonio would be a dream fit for Young. Wembanyama and Young are both elite while being on opposite ends of the physical spectrum, making them a diverse duo that teams wouldn’t want to switch screens against. Trae is one of the league’s best at feeding easy shots to bigs, which would allow Wemby to score off of rolls and cuts on a regular basis. This season, Young has also embraced playing with more off-ball movement under Quin Snyder. If he was paired with a big with playmaking skills (like Wembanyama), then he could become even more potent in handoff and two-man actions. Together, they could be one of the league’s most powerful duos on offense. And on defense, Young is playing harder than ever; he’s small and will be targeted in the playoffs, but there’s no better antidote for a weaker defender than to have Wembanyama protecting the paint.

No team has a greater need for a point guard than the Spurs, making them an intriguing landing spot for Young. The biggest question, though, is whether Gregg Popovich would want Trae, an unproven system fit, over Murray, who made significant strides with the franchise—or the alternatives of building through the draft or targeting an entirely different player in a trade. Linking back up with Murray right now wouldn’t be the worst decision for the Spurs. But the chance to swipe right on Trae is worth the wait.

Interesting... Nobody has offered 2 1st's for DJ.... I'd give them Charlotte, Chicago, and either Toronto or a 2027 Spurs 1st. That sounds like a good bit more than they have on the table.

[Mr. Body]

we have 2 first rounders coming in, in all likelihood.

but mcdermott, osman, graham, mamu are gone. they probably pick between bassey and barlow for the 3rd C spot behind collins. really hoping they dont actually make 3 second round selections unless they feel they can get at least 2 of 3 on two-way deals

and thats assuming there are no outgoing players in trades, not that anybody besides wemby should be off limits

I think this summer will be okay for the reasons you state. The vets will clear out, mostly, and I suspect they won't take either of the SRPs or maybe just the first one. Depends on whether the TOR conveys. After next year things get a bit more dicey. Again, not a huge deal. By then we'll know whether we need to move on from Vassell/Keldon, if Sidy and/or Blake are showing enough etc.

[Dejounte]

Insider On Hawks’ Forum Says The Latest He’s Heard Is The Framework Of A Deal For Murray Involves First Round Picks And Expiring Contracts, And Not To Expect Actual Real Talent Coming Back To ATL In Trades.

It’s Going To Be Real Epic If My Manifestation Of This Comes True.

[baseline bum]

Interesting... Nobody has offered 2 1st's for DJ.... I'd give them Charlotte, Chicago, and either Toronto or a 2027 Spurs 1st. That sounds like a good bit more than they have on the table.

You think they'd rather have the Spurs 2027 over a Lakers first from the post LeBron era? The Charlotte pick is just crap to let them save face but has pretty minimal value. The Chicago pick is protected top 10 in 25 and top 8 in 26 and 27 before converting to two seconds, so with the Bulls blowing everything up there is an outside but far from negligible chance it never conveys as a first either.

[baseline bum]

Insider On Hawks’ Forum Says The Latest He’s Heard Is The Framework Of A Deal For Murray Involves First Round Picks And Expiring Contracts, And Not To Expect Actual Real Talent Coming Back To ATL In Trades.

It’s Going To Be Real Epic If My Manifestation Of This Comes True.

Wonder if it's Golden State for Chris Paul, as the Warriors have all their firsts from 2025 on other than the 2030 pick they owe to Washington.

[Dejounte]

What Most People Seem To Be Dismissing Is The Fact That Murray Is The Last Real Player That The Spurs Built From Ground Up… Nearly All Players Since Kawhi Had Some Semblance Of Who They Would Become In The Present Time, E.G., White Was Already A Good Player And Plays The Same Way As He Did In His Rookie Year… He Just Needed Confidence To Amplify His Game. Vassell Still Looks And Plays The Same Way As When He Was First Drafted, He Just Has More Experience Now To Pull Off His Big Scoring Performances…

But Murray?

The Way This Guy Played During His Rookie Year Looks Nothing Like The Way He Plays Today. There Is So Much Poise In The Way He Plays, So Much Control. He Also Has A Go To Move In The Mid Range And He’s A Reliable 3 Pt Shooter. Murray Is The Last True Success Story In The Spurs’ Development Program Where Much Credit Should Be Given To Him Because Of The Work He Put In. He Would Serve As The Bridge From The Past To The Future If He Were To Be Traded Here.

[baseline bum]

Honestly if that's true that Atlanta is shopping Murray for a couple of future firsts and salary matching flotsam you gotta think they're interested in just blowing it all up and trading Trae away too. Doesn't really make much sense otherwise. ROFL if the Spurs could effectively trade 2022 Dejounte for 2024 Trae.

[Gibbz]

I think Trae gets too much unnecessary flak. He's obviously a massive negative on the defensive end, but his offensive fit with Wemby seems borderline game-breaking. I could understand sitting pat and not making any big commitments or making the move for Trae or DJ. It's a tough call. Acting like Trae or DJ are negatives is fucking stupid, though.

[Mr. Body]

If that's all ATL wants then I'm definitely interested, if DJM is gonna be good with it. But I don't see ATL dumping him for later picks when they don't own any for the next three years. I guess the Spurs could give them the Chicago pick and even the Toronto one to give them some cover. The PR side would be a disaster.

[rankingtear]

There is really no indication upto this point that a guy like Trae is what they are looking at. DJ fits the versatility on offense and defense they are building for. So was Primo.

[tbdog]

Atlanta is going to want all of their picks back, plus our pick this year, plus the Toronto pick, at a minimum. We’re fucked if it doesn’t work out, and Victors championship window closes in his early 20s. No one comes here as a FA, and we will have no way to get a high draft pick.

We need an opportunistic scorer PG who can defend at a high level and distribute the ball. Think Jrue Holiday, Brogdon type. Then you get a scoring wing, and a high level SG with your high picks.

Spurs can trade their own 4 first round picks. They still have 2 of ALT plus a swap. 1 from Bulls. 1 from Tor. 1. 1 from Celtics. 1 Dallas swap. The point, the Spurs could do a complete over pay and trade all ALT picks back plus and all 4 spurs picks, and still have picks for the future.

Just from what the price is for an all star young player, it's about 4 to 5 assets. D.Murray was 3.

So Johnson is an asset. Vassell wound be too. The rest of the Spurs not including number 1, wouldn't be considered an asset. The Spurs could go with Johnson+Vassell plus 2 to 3 firsts. Or just 4 to 5 firsts. That will be the price.

[venitian navigator]

No way I want Young on our team. Expecially at a high price. I. Go we can easily find a veteran pg on trade in February or free agency in the summer that gives us the same or more (in the sense of effectively improving the team) than what a young could give us... My thoughts are for example on the Orlando situation, where there are four point guards with at least three of them (Black, Suggs and Fultz) that would give us more defense and quite the same play making than young... The only thing lacking being the outside shooting (but for that we could look at shooting guards and forwards, right?)... In particular I'm looking at Fultz being ideal on our system...

[RC_Drunkford]

Trae Young almost outscored our entire roster in the first half and people here are saying "no way would I want Trae Young on this team" :lmao :lmao :lmao

[rankingtear]

Wemby can't cover for Trae Young defense, I think this UTA all over again or this years MIL if this happens. MIL is 19th on D with that frontcourt.

[venitian navigator]

Wemby can't cover for Trae Young defense, I think this UTA all over again or this years MIL if this happens. MIL is 19th on D with that frontcourt.

Exactly. No balance at all... Very good offense but very porous defense...

[RC_Drunkford]

If DJ only costs you 2 picks and expiring contracts you do the deal. Send them 2 of Osman/McDermott/Graham and then see which picks they would want, you can even add a 2nd rounder since we got about 80. You try your best to not send them any ATL picks back tho and if so you give them the 27 one.

Now if you can get Trae Young and there's quite a chance you could, since the Flagg and Boozer drafts are coming up and the Hawks don't have their picks, you go for it. There aren't a lot of young All-Star PGs available. The only other 3 that could become available are Doncic, LaMelo and Garland and who knows if or when that will ever happen. Not only is Young one of the best lob passers in the league, he also got Steph Curry range and can pull up from the logo. That kind of gravity would give Wemby so much more space to operate and the pick & roll would basically be unstoppable. Also there is no better big man to hide Young's defense than Victor. And don't give me the bullshit about "Young needs the ball in his hands". Who else on this team would you want to handle the ball besides Wemby?

Acting like Young wouldn't instantly give you a 6-year window of contending is borderline retarded.

[8FOR!3]

If DJ only costs you 2 picks and expiring contracts you do the deal. Send them 2 of Osman/McDermott/Graham and then see which picks they would want, you can even add a 2nd rounder since we got about 80. You try your best to not send them any ATL picks back tho and if so you give them the 27 one.

Now if you can get Trae Young and there's quite a chance you could, since the Flagg and Boozer drafts are coming up and the Hawks don't have their picks, you go for it. There aren't a lot of young All-Star PGs available. The only other 3 that could become available are Doncic, LaMelo and Garland and who knows if or when that will ever happen. Not only is Young one of the best lob passers in the league, he also got Steph Curry range and can pull up from the logo. That kind of gravity would give Wemby so much more space to operate and the pick & roll would basically be unstoppable. Also there is no better big man to hide Young's defense than Victor. And don't give me the bullshit about "Young needs the ball in his hands". Who else on this team would you want to handle the ball besides Wemby?

Acting like Young wouldn't instantly give you a 6-year window of contending is borderline retarded.

Atlanta won't help us make them worse without getting their own picks back. I would try to get Trae Young though he's good.

[baseline bum]

If DJ only costs you 2 picks and expiring contracts you do the deal. Send them 2 of Osman/McDermott/Graham and then see which picks they would want, you can even add a 2nd rounder since we got about 80. You try your best to not send them any ATL picks back tho and if so you give them the 27 one.


Graham alone is surprisingly enough salary to get a Murray deal done if they're truly only looking for picks.

[baseline bum]

Atlanta won't help us make them worse without getting their own picks back. I would try to get Trae Young though he's good.

If they're giving up Murray for a couple of protected firsts they probably look at it as addition by subtraction. If they want to sniff their 25 and 26 picks they need to be sending Trae back.

[mystargtr34]

Murray doesn’t really move the needle for me tbh. I’d pass.

[RC_Drunkford]

Atlanta won't help us make them worse without getting their own picks back. I would try to get Trae Young though he's good.

For Trae yes, for DJ no. They might get one back for DJ, but not more. I'd give them their picks back for Trae Young

[mo7888]

You think they'd rather have the Spurs 2027 over a Lakers first from the post LeBron era? The Charlotte pick is just crap to let them save face but has pretty minimal value. The Chicago pick is protected top 10 in 25 and top 8 in 26 and 27 before converting to two seconds, so with the Bulls blowing everything up there is an outside but far from negligible chance it never conveys as a first either.

No, the Laker pic is worth more. The Chicago pick helps offset that some. I'm not sure the Lakers have put their pick in play yet though because competing offers are so weak. If they do, then the calculus probably changes and we have to offer 2027 + Toronto to beat it.

[LeBowen]

For Trae yes, for DJ no. They might get one back for DJ, but not more. I'd give them their picks back for Trae Young

Exactly what I was saying last night.
People in here act as if Spurs would have nothing left after trading for Trae. And the reality is that it would effectively be just DJ and a pick or two for Trae.
Pick or two that doesn't even have to be a Spurs pick, but one of many picks received in other trades.

https://i.imgur.com/0ySDEHs.png

Are people in here saying they wouldn't trade DJ and Demar (or Jakob) for Trae?
His contract isn't even that bad with the new cap, more or less the same as Haliburton's.

Call me old-fashioned, but he's a childhood Spurs fan from Texas, that's always a bonus.
People love local stars.

Can he be a bit more efficent? Sure, but everyone loves to talk how Wemby's efficency is bad because of awful roster (which is obviously true), but it's not like Trae had stacked rosters.
His only teammate that was a solid volume scorer and could create for himself was Bogdanovic. Everyone else was just looking for Trae to create something. Or are we going to pretend that DJ is a great scorer nowdays?

[rascal]

Trae Young almost outscored our entire roster in the first half and people here are saying "no way would I want Trae Young on this team" :lmao :lmao :lmao

He would cost all those Atlanta draft picks we gave to them and more. People don't want to pay the cost to get him. He's also not the player Atlanta is shopping.

[rascal]

If DJ only costs you 2 picks and expiring contracts you do the deal. Send them 2 of Osman/McDermott/Graham and then see which picks they would want, you can even add a 2nd rounder since we got about 80. You try your best to not send them any ATL picks back tho and if so you give them the 27 one.

Now if you can get Trae Young and there's quite a chance you could, since the Flagg and Boozer drafts are coming up and the Hawks don't have their picks, you go for it. There aren't a lot of young All-Star PGs available. The only other 3 that could become available are Doncic, LaMelo and Garland and who knows if or when that will ever happen. Not only is Young one of the best lob passers in the league, he also got Steph Curry range and can pull up from the logo. That kind of gravity would give Wemby so much more space to operate and the pick & roll would basically be unstoppable. Also there is no better big man to hide Young's defense than Victor. And don't give me the bullshit about "Young needs the ball in his hands". Who else on this team would you want to handle the ball besides Wemby?

Acting like Young wouldn't instantly give you a 6-year window of contending is borderline retarded.

Have some patience. The Spurs aren't going to unload all their Atlanta picks for one player. They will build through the draft. that is how they built their core dynasty teams in the past.
Those Atlanta picks are gold with Atlanta looking like a lottery team and tearing things down.

[Davidicus]

It's all about price, and for Trae I imagine that price is way too high as of today, because it doesn't appear Atlanta actually wants to trade him. I've only seen a lot of articles on "this could happen because ATL sucks this year and Trae is surrounded by a disjointed roster." We'd have to entice ATL into a rebuild to trade Trae...and that price would be way too high in terms of risk/reward.

If Trae asks out, or ATL FO decides its time to press the red button, then that's a completely different story. My own two cents on Trae fit here: again if the price is right, you absolutely do that deal. In addition to all the comments here on the thread, let's not forget he's 25 and has spent his entire career with the ATLANTA HAWKS. Still plenty of room to grow under Pop, particularly on defense (which has improved this year) and shot selection. Those would improve playing under Pop, in a system, with Wemby.

With Trae + Wemby on the same team, San Antonio becomes a very enticing destination for all FAs, and we start getting 1+1=3 value I mentioned a while back.

As for Dejounte, I'm on board for 2 FRPs (non 25 or 27) and Graham. I'd be sad to see Cedi or Doug go, but that's business.

[rankingtear]

The PG spot has gotten taller and larger for a reason. Trae won't be part of a good defense again, the skill level across all positions have become higher can't hide anybody in a playoff series. That is why Dame and Trae are open to going here, there is just no chance they can build a good defensive team around these guys anymore. Trae is the worst because he is both weak and small.

[BacktoBasics]

I'm definitely not interested in unloading the full treasure chest of picks for Trae. OKC has shown that a revolving door of picks can work but the fact is that it only works because they managed to get Alexander along the way.

The odds of these picks producing a Trae level player is slim. I think it would be smart to weigh a handful of picks against a 2-4 year span where you're basically holding a draft pick tryout on a timeline that has arguably begun two months ago.

You can't give it all up but giving up a juicy pick in a package should be on the table.

[exstatic]

I'm definitely not interested in unloading the full treasure chest of picks for Trae. OKC has shown that a revolving door of picks can work but the fact is that it only works because they managed to get Alexander along the way.

The odds of these picks producing a Trae level player is slim. I think it would be smart to weigh a handful of picks against a 2-4 year span where you're basically holding a draft pick tryout on a timeline that has arguably begun two months ago.

You can't give it all up but giving up a juicy pick in a package should be on the table.

OKC only picked in the top 3 once in all of those years, and they got Chet. We’re poised to do it two in a row, plus maybe another top 10 pick. That would make a difference in striking guard/wing gold.

Picks I consider absolutely off limits:24 SA, Toronto, 25 ATL, 26 ATL swap.

[BacktoBasics]

OKC only picked in the top 3 once in all of those years, and they got Chet. We’re poised to do it two in a row, plus maybe another top 10 pick. That would make a difference in striking guard/wing gold.

Picks I consider absolutely off limits:24 SA, Toronto, 25 ATL, 26 ATL swap.

Of those 4 picks I have no problem parting with the Toronto pick. The other 3 I agree with but should at least be considered.

[RC_Drunkford]

Have some patience. The Spurs aren't going to unload all their Atlanta picks for one player. They will build through the draft. that is how they built their core dynasty teams in the past.
Those Atlanta picks are gold with Atlanta looking like a lottery team and tearing things down.

building through the draft would mean starting to contend in 2027/28. They should start earlier. Yes high picks should come in, but you need to bring in at least one All-Star level talent via trade/FA

[Kevin]

I'd offer all four picks we got from Atlanta for Young. Spurs keep their two top 10 selections for this year.

[Mr. Body]

Houston is another example of how it can go with a team with multiple top picks. They got Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, and Amen Thompson. I don't think Green moves the needle, Smith was drafted too high (IMO) and jury's out on Thompson who, if we think Sochan and Jones are poor shooters, he's not even in their galaxy. While the star they got was Sengun, who dropped way too far.

A problem with so many high picks is that they get expensive. Jabari Smith may be a good player, but you're soon going to be facing the problem Phoenix faced with Ayton -- those extentions for a limited player can be killer. Facing multiples, even worse.

As mentioned, OKC is great because they lucked into Gilgeous-Alexander. They've drafted pretty well otherwise -- obviously with Jaylen Williams, and nailed what was (to me) an obvious gimme with Chet.

It's gonna be fascinating to see what the Thunder do moving forward with so many draft assets. Houston, meanwhile, has some big decisions to make pretty soon.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

Granted, he looks like he invented the game of basketball every time he's ever suited up against the Spurs, but trading for Trae Young would be an awful, franchise crippling mistake. He's a complete anti-Spur: bad teammate, coach killer, non-existent defense, heliocentric, plays losing basketball and would cost a ton of draft/player capital and destroy future flexibility. He's exactly the type of stat stuffing empty calorie ball dominant loser that the Spurs should avoid at all costs. There is a reason that the Hawks are 16-23 this season and it's not the teammates around him. That's a solid roster with a pretty good coach.

[cd98]

If you are going to trade for a PG from Atlanta, after much thought, it would have to be Trae. Much more aligned with Wemby timeline and would be the kind of point guard that could not only get Wemby the ball in his spots, but also open up the court with his shooting.

[CGD]

I'm definitely not interested in unloading the full treasure chest of picks for Trae. OKC has shown that a revolving door of picks can work but the fact is that it only works because they managed to get Alexander along the way.

The odds of these picks producing a Trae level player is slim. I think it would be smart to weigh a handful of picks against a 2-4 year span where you're basically holding a draft pick tryout on a timeline that has arguably begun two months ago.

You can't give it all up but giving up a juicy pick in a package should be on the table.

I don’t disagree on approach, but I do on Trae. I’d rather make a play for LaMelo or someone with more size who plays defense.

[cd98]

Houston is another example of how it can go with a team with multiple top picks. They got Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, and Amen Thompson. I don't think Green moves the needle, Smith was drafted too high (IMO) and jury's out on Thompson who, if we think Sochan and Jones are poor shooters, he's not even in their galaxy. While the star they got was Sengun, who dropped way too far.

A problem with so many high picks is that they get expensive. Jabari Smith may be a good player, but you're soon going to be facing the problem Phoenix faced with Ayton -- those extentions for a limited player can be killer. Facing multiples, even worse.

As mentioned, OKC is great because they lucked into Gilgeous-Alexander. They've drafted pretty well otherwise -- obviously with Jaylen Williams, and nailed what was (to me) an obvious gimme with Chet.

It's gonna be fascinating to see what the Thunder do moving forward with so many draft assets. Houston, meanwhile, has some big decisions to make pretty soon.

The thing about lottery picks is that they have higher hit rates, but not many become all stars. Again, people are giving up on Sochan way too fast. I don't think he will ever be a superstar, but he can be the type of player that can guard all 5 positions on switches and if he can shoot threes at 38% clip or better, would really open up the court for Wemby. You need to give a player 3 seasons before you decide if he is worth investing in with a bigger contract. Some guys, like Wemby, you know right away. But some players you need to let cook for a bit and see if the talent level rises and the player can put it all together.

[CGD]

Granted, he looks like he invented the game of basketball every time he's ever suited up against the Spurs, but trading for Trae Young would be an awful, franchise crippling mistake. He's a complete anti-Spur: bad teammate, coach killer, non-existent defense, heliocentric, plays losing basketball and would cost a ton of draft/player capital and destroy future flexibility. He's exactly the type of stat stuffing empty calorie ball dominant loser that the Spurs should avoid at all costs. There is a reason that the Hawks are 16-23 this season and it's not the teammates around him. That's a solid roster with a pretty good coach.

Basically this. I bet his trade around the league isn’t as high as people think for this very reason.

[BacktoBasics]

I don’t disagree on approach, but I do on Trae. I’d rather make a play for LaMelo or someone with more size who plays defense.

LaMelo the player is interesting but he can’t seem to stay healthy and that family is toxic. Although pops has been quieter these days.

[Mr. Body]

Last season's All-Star voting revealed that Trae Young wasn't popular amongst other players, and that some teammates didn't even vote for him. Notable things: he was only 12th in player votes in the East for guards. He received LESS player votes than he has teammates.

[R. DeMurre]

Trae is one of the last guys I'd ever want to pair with Wemby. He's a max contract undersized defensive liability who has shot 35% from three in his career. The biggest mistake I think the Spurs can make now is to start compromising hugely on D and positional size with a justification that "Wemby will cover for that." It didn't work in Utah with Gobert, and it rarely has in other places either. Amplify your strengths, don't whittle away at them.
People like to think of Trae as Steph Curry Lite, but with a career 3pt% of 35% he's closer to Russell Westbrook's career 30.5% than he is to Steph's 42.6%.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

There's huge improvement in our team just by inserting Tre Jones into the starting lineup. I'm becoming a bigger and bigger believer in the investment in defensive wings/guards and three point shooting and just adding a pass-first point guard or two to the roster. Murray would be better than Trae on the Spurs, but I'm not sure I'd sacrifice much for either of them. Spend the money beefing up the perimeter defense and scoring.

[Davidicus]

Hawks insider on their board: "Spurs have offers for Murray and capela"

Using my English skills, implying we have individual offers out for those players.

[Truckules]

Trae is one of the last guys I'd ever want to pair with Wemby. He's a max contract undersized defensive liability who has shot 35% from three in his career. The biggest mistake I think the Spurs can make now is to start compromising hugely on D and positional size with a justification that "Wemby will cover for that." It didn't work in Utah with Gobert, and it rarely has in other places either. Amplify your strengths, don't whittle away at them.
People like to think of Trae as Steph Curry Lite, but with a career 3pt% of 35% he's closer to Russell Westbrook's career 30.5% than he is to Steph's 42.6%.

There's a lot of reasons not to trade for Trae, but three-point shooting is near the end of the list. If you just look at percent then it seems like he's an average 3pt shooter, but the reality is that he's only assisted on 30.5% of his threes. The league average is 84.2% assists on threes and even Steph Curry is assisted on 61% of his threes. Only Luka is better at creating three point shots on his own. Trae is an elite shooter. The problem is everything else: the price is going to be high, really bad defender, ball-dominant so less touches for Wemby, locker room vibes seem bad, etc.

[LeBowen]

the price is going to be high

Well, not that long ago Gobert cost 5 first rounders, the price wouldn't be that high, the market dried out and most teams have nothing to offer.
Obviously this is only happening if Trae asks for a trade, no chance Spurs make an offer without a trade request by him.


really bad defender

So are most offensive engines these days.
Haliburton has great size and is as just as bad.


ball-dominant so less touches for Wemby

Because he gets so many these days. :lol
For me the biggest upside Trae has is his playmaking and passing.
You won't find a better PNR partner for Wemby.


locker room vibes seem bad

We don't know what's going on over there.

Something that's overlooked is that Spurs need tough characters that won't crumble when needed the most.
Trae enjoyed taking the villain role in NY and Phily, not many players can deliver under such pressure.

My only real concern would be his defense. But he's improved and with a proper roster around him, it wouldn't be an issue.
Getting an elite playmaker that's not a negative defender is really hard these days.

[DAF86]

Honestly if that's true that Atlanta is shopping Murray for a couple of future firsts and salary matching flotsam you gotta think they're interested in just blowing it all up and trading Trae away too. Doesn't really make much sense otherwise. ROFL if the Spurs could effectively trade 2022 Dejounte for 2024 Trae.

They realized Murray never made sense alongside Trae and are trying to get some 1st rounders back. I doubt substracting Murray will do much either way for their play and/or record. They'll remain a mid to bad team.

[DAF86]

No way I want Young on our team. Expecially at a high price. I. Go we can easily find a veteran pg on trade in February or free agency in the summer that gives us the same or more (in the sense of effectively improving the team) than what a young could give us... My thoughts are for example on the Orlando situation, where there are four point guards with at least three of them (Black, Suggs and Fultz) that would give us more defense and quite the same play making than young... The only thing lacking being the outside shooting (but for that we could look at shooting guards and forwards, right?)... In particular I'm looking at Fultz being ideal on our system...

In what world are Black, Suggs and Fults anywhere close to being able to deliver the same level of playmaking as Trae Young? :lol

I know folks have questions about Young's height and his heliocentric style of play, but that's no excuse to pair him next to role players, tbh. The dude is averaging 28 and 11. :lol

[spurraider21]

Hawks insider on their board: "Spurs have offers for Murray and capela"

Using my English skills, implying we have individual offers out for those players.
or hawks really want to tear it down and want to offload capela's 2 year contract as part of a deal and the spurs have presented a couple of different packages to get it done

cant really imagine the spurs going after capela by himself. his salary is about 20 mil.

if the hawks just want expirings, mcdermott/osman/graham* actually gets it done, in addition to whatever draft capital is going ATL's way. the spurs may as well just send back bassey in that kind of deal, let ATL hang onto him for cheap for the next 2 years to back up okongwu.

unless ATL wants Zollins of course, but that defeats the purpose of dumping capela

[Mr. Body]

I'd think there'd be a lot of interest around the league for Capela if he's on the move.

[R. DeMurre]

There's a lot of reasons not to trade for Trae, but three-point shooting is near the end of the list. If you just look at percent then it seems like he's an average 3pt shooter, but the reality is that he's only assisted on 30.5% of his threes. The league average is 84.2% assists on threes and even Steph Curry is assisted on 61% of his threes. Only Luka is better at creating three point shots on his own. Trae is an elite shooter. The problem is everything else: the price is going to be high, really bad defender, ball-dominant so less touches for Wemby, locker room vibes seem bad, etc.

Sorry, i just can't categorize Trae as an elite shooter. His 2pt%, 3pt%, and TS% are all average at best. Only his FT% is elite-- the one place where there's no defender. For me, him shooting a ton of unassisted threes isn't a sign of great shot creativity-- it's a sign of average decision making. I get that he's a playmaker, but that doesn't cover all of the other deficiencies. He'll be hunted relentlessly in any playoff scenario, and with good reason.

[BackHome]

Have no interest in Murray that ship has sailed and I don't think his ego would jell with Wemby - As far as Tre he is a decent backup but I don't see him with us long term we can easily upgrade with either a rookie or get a seasoned Playoff tested Vet at some point to be backup

[poopbox]

Atlanta is going to want all of their picks back, plus our pick this year, plus the Toronto pick, at a minimum. We’re fucked if it doesn’t work out, and Victors championship window closes in his early 20s. No one comes here as a FA, and we will have no way to get a high draft pick.

We need an opportunistic scorer PG who can defend at a high level and distribute the ball. Think Jrue Holiday, Brogdon type. Then you get a scoring wing, and a high level SG with your high picks.

This is like...the only reason to entertain a Trae Young trade. The chances of the spurs drafting a player who turns out to be a star is slim. The chances of another star playing signing here in free agency are almost non existent. Trae is a borderline tragically flawed player, but he is a star in this league. If he wants to come here you have to entertain it cause he might legit be the only one who wants to.

[R. DeMurre]

They realized Murray never made sense alongside Trae and are trying to get some 1st rounders back. I doubt substracting Murray will do much either way for their play and/or record. They'll remain a mid to bad team.


For me, their move to get Murray is the perfect example of a team compromising while trying to cover for a flawed star's deficiencies. The idea was that Trae can't defend, so get a guy who can to play D alongside him... but Murray's advantage as a defender was in guarding PGs, where he had more height and length than the vast majority of opposing PGs. Once he's moved over to SG/combo guard next to Trae, Dejounte is guarding guys with the same or better positional size, taking away his built in advantage.

[scott]

Capela's rebounding would be welcome on this team, but due $22MM next year, ouch. That would be close to $40MM tied up in Collins and Capela.

[Dejounte]

Capela's rebounding would be welcome on this team, but due $22MM next year, ouch. That would be close to $40MM tied up in Collins and Capela.

Swap Collins With Capela. I’m Tired Of Seeing Collins’ Inability To Defend The Paint. Not Sure If Capela Is Good At It Or Whatever But I’m Saying If This Is What It Takes To Get Murray, Then Do It.

[scott]

Swap Collins With Capela. I’m Tired Of Seeing Collins’ Inability To Defend The Paint. Not Sure If Capela Is Good At It Or Whatever But I’m Saying If This Is What It Takes To Get Murray, Then Do It.

Unfortunately, Collins can't be traded until after the season due to the timing of his extension.

[Dejounte]

Unfortunately, Collins can't be traded until after the season due to the timing of his extension.

Son Of A Bitch

[Dejounte]

Why Is The Espn Trade Machine Allowing Me To Include Collins? Not That That Thing Is Perfect…

[mo7888]

Unfortunately, Collins can't be traded until after the season due to the timing of his extension.

I'm wondering in KJ is part of this? Kj + Graham + Cedi match almost dollar to dollar

[mo7888]

Why Is The Espn Trade Machine Allowing Me To Include Collins? Not That That Thing Is Perfect…

Its just flawed.. try fanspo

[Davidicus]

or hawks really want to tear it down and want to offload capela's 2 year contract as part of a deal and the spurs have presented a couple of different packages to get it done

cant really imagine the spurs going after capela by himself. his salary is about 20 mil.

if the hawks just want expirings, mcdermott/osman/graham* actually gets it done, in addition to whatever draft capital is going ATL's way. the spurs may as well just send back bassey in that kind of deal, let ATL hang onto him for cheap for the next 2 years to back up okongwu.

unless ATL wants Zollins of course, but that defeats the purpose of dumping capela

Agreed. Only possibility I could think of is ATL sending DJM for a big they like to a separate team, and then Capela for Doug and/or Cedi with maybe picks involved.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. Only possibility I could think of is ATL sending DJM for a big they like to a separate team, and then Capela for Doug and/or Cedi with maybe picks involved.
yeah but theres no good reason for the spurs to trade for capela right now.

[Mr. Body]

It's not clear what kind of big works best alongside Wembanyama. You'd think a guy who can shoot and drag his defender out would work, but it hasn't yet. Capela can't become an outside threat, so he may jam things up even more. Andre Drummond and others just kill us. This is why I'm interested in wings and guards who can rebound. (Dejounte was excellent here, up to 8.3 boards a game in his last year, although it dropped in Atlanta, probably since they had better front line players.)

OKC has the same problem. They get killed by the Lakers, for example, because Anthony Davis just destroys them.

[JeffDuncan]

Capela's rebounding would be welcome on this team, but due $22MM next year, ouch. That would be close to $40MM tied up in Collins and Capela.


Right, it would be preposterous to devote that much salary to a backup center. Andre Drummond is getting $3.4M this season, for pete’s sake. A backup center should not be a major expense, with how the NBA is now.

[Seventyniner]

The only reason I can think of for the Spurs to trade for Capela is as part of a package for Dejounte or Trae. The idea would be that Atlanta is trying to dump salary and Capela's deal for next year is something they don't want on the books. Capela on his own is a somewhat negative asset.

[baseline bum]

Unless Atlanta wants to give the Spurs an unprotected swap in 28 no thanks on Capella.

[Mitch Cumsteen]

It's not clear what kind of big works best alongside Wembanyama. You'd think a guy who can shoot and drag his defender out would work, but it hasn't yet. Capela can't become an outside threat, so he may jam things up even more. Andre Drummond and others just kill us. This is why I'm interested in wings and guards who can rebound. (Dejounte was excellent here, up to 8.3 boards a game in his last year, although it dropped in Atlanta, probably since they had better front line players.)

OKC has the same problem. They get killed by the Lakers, for example, because Anthony Davis just destroys them.

Agree with all of this, but I think much of Andre Drummond and others of his ilk killing the Spurs recently is due to Wemby's minutes restriction. He's held his own lately against some of the bigger and stronger players in the league.

[spurraider21]

drummond doesnt score like he used to but he's still good at big man things

his rebound % is legendary

[scott]

Have always thought Bassey could develop a nice Drummond-like role for himself if he could stay healthy and have a good on the squad (actually having Drummond would be my preference).

[RC_Drunkford]

the main reason why Capela would be included is for the Spurs to drive the price down. The Hawks want 2 firsts for Murray, if the Spurs take on Capela for expirings they can probably give them 1 first plus the CHA first or a bunch of 2nd rounders. That trade would save the Hawks about 45 million in cap room next season, I assume the price for that number ain't cheap.

The Spurs would then have a logjam at Center, but could look to flip Capela next season or try to trade Zach.

[spurraider21]

the main reason why Capela would be included is for the Spurs to drive the price down. The Hawks want 2 firsts for Murray, if the Spurs take on Capela for expirings they can probably give them 1 first plus the CHA first or a bunch of 2nd rounders. That trade would save the Hawks about 45 million in cap room next season, I assume the price for that number ain't cheap.

The Spurs would then have a logjam at Center, but could look to flip Capela next season or try to trade Zach.
wouldnt be the worst thing to hold capela for 1 year in what looks like a dreadful FA class anyway, especially if it drives the price down, but yeah, the roster logjam would be ugly, especially with wemby clearly being much better as the only big on the floor. would be a versatile rotation to be sure, but pretty expensive and if we wanted to keep 1 developmental big like barlow, means we'd have 4 centers on the roster, which seems tough to swallow

[ambchang]

If DJ only costs you 2 picks and expiring contracts you do the deal. Send them 2 of Osman/McDermott/Graham and then see which picks they would want, you can even add a 2nd rounder since we got about 80. You try your best to not send them any ATL picks back tho and if so you give them the 27 one.

Now if you can get Trae Young and there's quite a chance you could, since the Flagg and Boozer drafts are coming up and the Hawks don't have their picks, you go for it. There aren't a lot of young All-Star PGs available. The only other 3 that could become available are Doncic, LaMelo and Garland and who knows if or when that will ever happen. Not only is Young one of the best lob passers in the league, he also got Steph Curry range and can pull up from the logo. That kind of gravity would give Wemby so much more space to operate and the pick & roll would basically be unstoppable. Also there is no better big man to hide Young's defense than Victor. And don't give me the bullshit about "Young needs the ball in his hands". Who else on this team would you want to handle the ball besides Wemby?

Acting like Young wouldn't instantly give you a 6-year window of contending is borderline retarded.

You think someone thinking Trae young will not turn a team trending for 15 wins into a contender is retarded?

[RC_Drunkford]

wouldnt be the worst thing to hold capela for 1 year in what looks like a dreadful FA class anyway, especially if it drives the price down, but yeah, the roster logjam would be ugly, especially with wemby clearly being much better as the only big on the floor. would be a versatile rotation to be sure, but pretty expensive and if we wanted to keep 1 developmental big like barlow, means we'd have 4 centers on the roster, which seems tough to swallow

It's pretty smart. The FA class is terrible, there's maybe one veteran SF we could go for and that's it. So utilizing cap space to save draft assets while bringing DJ back would be great. And you could still flip Capela's expiring next season for more draft assets or another rotation player.


You think someone thinking Trae young will not turn a team trending for 15 wins into a contender is retarded?

I think not wanting to trade for Trae Young while he almost outscored our entire team in the first half is borderline retarded.

[spurraider21]

It's pretty smart. The FA class is terrible, there's maybe one veteran SF we could go for and that's it. So utilizing cap space to save draft assets while bringing DJ back would be great. And you could still flip Capela's expiring next season for more draft assets or another rotation player.
definitely the latter, if anything. the last thing the spurs should be doing next year is acquiring bad contracts. the only way we flip capela's expiring deal for draft assets next year is if we agree to take on some shit contract that goes for another year or two beyond capela's, and i dont want to be renting out cap space in 2025 or 2026. not even looking at those free agency classes, but just as far as the direction the club is taking, we need to be building up by that point, not continuing to tear down to sneak in picks here or there while holding onto ~20 mil of salary for a player we dont want



I think not wanting to trade for Trae Young while he almost outscored our entire team in the first half is borderline retarded.
most of ST has a hate boner for Trae. its one thing to acknowledge he is flawed and can be a challenge to build around, but having Wemby is a great fucking start :lol

i just dont think the cost is worth it when we currently have like 6 genuine NBA caliber players on the roster and would be sending at least 1-2 of them back in a deal to acquire Trae

[Dejounte]

Someone Argued Trae Was Only A Floor Raiser And Not A Ceiling Raiser. Isn’t It On Wemby To Be The Ceiling Raiser And Wouldn’t It Make It Easy For Him If He Had A Second Star That Carried The Team To The Playoffs So He Wouldn’t Be Fatigued Doing All The Heavy Lifting In Both The Regular Season And In The Playoffs?

This Applies To Murray Too And All Those Who Said Murray Only Carried This Team To The Play-In. Well, Shit. I Think This Team Needs That Kind Of Guy So Wemby Can Blow Up In The Playoffs.

If Wemby Is Destined To Be Great, The Standards On Who Our Second And Third Best Players Should Be Don’t Need To Be Sky High.

[CGD]

^ bro, could you fix your caps situation? I usually like your takes, but whatever sentencing format you have on now makes it super hard to read you.

[Dverde]

^ bro, could you fix your caps situation? I usually like your takes, but whatever sentencing format you have on now makes it super hard to read you.

It’s the Dejounte Murray font

[Dejounte]

^ bro, could you fix your caps situation? I usually like your takes, but whatever sentencing format you have on now makes it super hard to read you.

Sorry Brotha, When Murray Gets Traded Here I Will Stop. Promise.

[PhantomDashCam]

I saw it floated today RE: Orlando's interest in DJ.
That'd actually be an interesting scenario for both teams.
Something like...

ATL: Markelle Fultz + Jonathon Isaac + 2024 FRP (Lottery Protected) + 2025 FRP ( From Denver)
MAGIC: Dejounte Murray + 2025 SRP

[baseline bum]

wouldnt be the worst thing to hold capela for 1 year in what looks like a dreadful FA class anyway, especially if it drives the price down, but yeah, the roster logjam would be ugly, especially with wemby clearly being much better as the only big on the floor. would be a versatile rotation to be sure, but pretty expensive and if we wanted to keep 1 developmental big like barlow, means we'd have 4 centers on the roster, which seems tough to swallow

It's ok, the minutes restriction will clear that logjam right up.

[CGD]

Sorry Brotha, When Murray Gets Traded Here I Will Stop. Promise.

Ah, got it now

[Dejounte]

Per Woj, Heat Heavily Pursuing Murray And Atl Only Seeking ONE First Round Pick In Trade Package :lmao

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/diorespn/status/1747394752150991357?s=46

[CGD]

https://x.com/diorespn/status/1747394752150991357?s=46

Damn, one pick?

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/dru_star/status/1747350157786562784?s=46

Contradicts This Report About The Heat

But I Hope The One-FRP Requirement Is True

[spurraider21]

already saw that heat are trying to dump Lowry as well. if they give ATL a desirable pick, they can also take capela off ATL's hands if thats what they want

they'd need a bit more filler, but it would be Lowry + spare parts + draft capital for DeJounte/Capela. with that said, looking at it closely, im not sure Miami really has the spare parts with enough salary to make it work that way.

so then it would just be Lowry + pick(s) for DeJounte + Patty or somethin

[scott]

https://x.com/diorespn/status/1747394752150991357?s=46

Easy offer to beat: CHI pick + their choice of TOR '24 or SA '27

[Knoxxx]

On the Capela incoming, why not include Collins on the outgoing?

Capela and Murray fix our rebounding problems also.

[spurraider21]

On the Capela incoming, why not include Collins on the outgoing?

Capela and Murray fix our rebounding problems also.
a) collins cant be included in a trade until the offseason
b) if the hawks goal is to shed capela's contract which expires at the end of the 24/25 season, why would they take back collins whose contract runs through the end of the 25/26 season?

capela would basically be a more realized version of what people wanted bassey to be. obviously an upgrade, but the opportunity cost is something to consider

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/thetraeyoung/status/1747291196760735921?s=46

Murray Gets Traded In The Next Few Days Tbh

[exstatic]

On the Capela incoming, why not include Collins on the outgoing?

Capela and Murray fix our rebounding problems also.

Can’t do it until this summer. He has an impossible to match cap figure until his extension kicks in, like one figure coming in, and a different one going out.

[Trueblood]

I saw it floated today RE: Orlando's interest in DJ.
That'd actually be an interesting scenario for both teams.
Something like...

ATL: Markelle Fultz + Jonathon Isaac + 2024 FRP (Lottery Protected) + 2025 FRP ( From Denver)
MAGIC: Dejounte Murray + 2025 SRP

We should see if we can work our way into that trade and see if the magic would be willing to give up Black. They would have four point guards on their roster (again) after that trade. They would probably be running DJ and Suggs together with Cole Anthony as their backup. Black has the height and passing to be a great running partner with Wemby. With their log jam at guards it might be worth checking on the price.

[CGD]

https://x.com/thetraeyoung/status/1747291196760735921?s=46

Murray Gets Traded In The Next Few Days Tbh

What an asshole lol

[ambchang]

I think not wanting to trade for Trae Young while he almost outscored our entire team in the first half is borderline retarded.

A). Not what you said: Acting like Young wouldn't instantly give you a 6-year window of contending is borderline retarded.
B) hope the spurs FO don’t base a multi-million trade off of one half.

[spurraider21]

1747815050583089644

[Frenchfred]

A). Not what you said: Acting like Young wouldn't instantly give you a 6-year window of contending is borderline retarded.
B) hope the spurs FO don’t base a multi-million trade off of one half.

and tonight 5-14, 1-6 three points and 8 TOs. Young plays well against the Spurs but he still doesn't shoot well for the year. Not sure that a 43-million dollar PG who cannot shoot and defend would be a good option for the Spurs

[mo7888]

1747815050583089644

That team would be smarter to trade Trae and keep DJ

[spurraider21]

That team would be smarter to trade Trae and keep DJ
you're not wrong. but they'd never

it does seem challenging to build around Trae, though i think he is a good enough offensive engine to justify it. with that said, ATL has failed to do so. better to reset while they can get a huge haul, instead of basically selling murray while his value is lower.

the complication is they dont control their own draft picks after 2024, so rebuilding and selling Trae could be really tough to swallow if they cant expect good lotto picks

[baseline bum]

WTF double post

[baseline bum]

That team would be smarter to trade Trae and keep DJ

Only way to trade Trae that makes any sense for them would be if they got their picks back from the Spurs. Otherwise you're tanking to give the Spurs three amazing picks. Which would be my best case scenario, that they trade Trae to say the Heat or the Pelicans for picks and now the Spurs get three unprotected picks likely each drafting 1-7 to go land a superstar or maybe see if they can draft one or three.

[mo7888]

Only way to trade Trae that makes any sense for them would be if they got their picks back from the Spurs. Otherwise you're tanking to give the Spurs three amazing picks. Which would be my best case scenario, that they trade Trae to say the Heat or the Pelicans for picks and now the Spurs get three unprotected picks likely each drafting 1-7 to go land a superstar or maybe see if they can draft one or three.

It seems to me they are going to end up moving Trae anyway when he asks out. So they should move him now for as many picks as they can get to replace what they've already lost to us. I think they're fucked if they do and fucked if they don't to a certain degree, so get as much as you can.

[Frenchfred]

It seems to me they are going to end up moving Trae anyway when he asks out. So they should move him now for as many picks as they can get to replace what they've already lost to us. I think they're fucked if they do and fucked if they don't to a certain degree, so get as much as you can.

yep, they fucked themselves with Murray's trade. I really hope that they tank next year for the Spurs to have a chance at Cooper Flagg.

[Bruno]

The situation has so much parameters and unknowns that it's impossible for me to say whether or not Spurs should pursue a trade for Murray. Some of these parameters:

- State of the relationship between Spurs and Murray: behind public declaration, how Spurs and Murray truly feel about each other?

- Hawks picks owned by Spurs: How bad will Hawks be between 2025 and 2027? They are in a tough spot but how bad could it turn?

- Trae Young: rumors about Young being fine with going to SA aren't anecdotal at all. Because of Hawks' picks owned by Spurs, Spurs are the most likely destination for a Young trade. How far is Young from wanting a trade? What is Spurs view on him given that he is a very polarizing player?

- Tanking: Trading right now for Murray will hurt the tanking. How important it is for Spurs to remain a bottom 3 team this season?

- PGs in the 2024 draft: How high are Spurs on the point guards prospect of this draft? If they are high enough on them, going after Murray doesn't make a lot of sense. If they likes more SF/PF of this class, going after Murray is a good option.


It's just a very unusual situation. I have no clue what Spurs should do.

[Dejounte]

https://youtu.be/8BZWSV1B5fc?feature=shared

I Don’t Know How Anyone Can Listen To Murray Talk In Interviews Today And Not See How Much He Has Grown. Everything He Says Nowadays Are As If He’s Reading From A Script Written By The Spurs. In This Interview, Many Of These Phrases Are From Pop.

[baseline bum]

It's just a very unusual situation. I have no clue what Spurs should do.

I hope Wright does though

[buttsR4rebounding]

I don't see the Spurs doing better than getting DJ back as their point guard. He is a borderline all star player, averaging 21,5,5 this year shooting 38.3% from 3 on high volume, is a plus defender whose style probably meshes well with Wemby. The only negative that I see is that getting him likely pushes us out of the bottom 3 for the final record. It seems that since there is no definitive top choice this year that may not be as big of a deal. With his team friendly contract I think I would rather trade for him than Young.

[exstatic]

There aren’t many teams with any excess, or sometimes any tradeable FRPs at all. I’d like to see SA hammer out the framework of a DJ deal now,to be executed this summer.

[John B]

Dejounte is the new George Hill that got us Kawhi, with those unprotected FRP’s. The FO would never give them back and lose those chances of potentially drafting top tier players with those picks, come on. I’m actually enjoying watching Dejounte got a taste of his own medicine. He’s practically auditioning with those interviews. But maybe he can give better interview at SJax podcast? :lol

[LeBowen]

Dejounte is the new George Hill that got us Kawhi, with those unprotected FRP’s. The FO would never give them back and lose those chances of potentially drafting top tier players with those picks, come on. I’m actually enjoying watching Dejounte got a taste of his own medicine. He’s practically auditioning with those interviews. But maybe he can give better interview at SJax podcast? :lol

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I don't want him back.
Not what the Spurs need and is going to be 28 before the next season starts.

An elite floor general and playmaker is an absolute must. Whether it be someone like Trae who's going to be 1A/1B option with Wemby or a pass first point guard, we simply must get that type of point guard.
DJ will never have that kind of playmaking IQ and more or less doesn't fit the timeline.

I'm hoping someone fleeces the Hawks for him and they completely crumble.
Then we can strike gold with those picks or get Trae for dirt cheap by returning them to Hawks.

[exstatic]

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I don't want him back.
Not what the Spurs need and is going to be 28 before the next season starts.

An elite floor general and playmaker is an absolute must. Whether it be someone like Trae who's going to be 1A/1B option with Wemby or a pass first point guard, we simply must get that type of point guard.
DJ will never have that kind of playmaking IQ and more or less doesn't fit the timeline.

I'm hoping someone fleeces the Hawks for him and they completely crumble.
Then we can strike gold with those picks or get Trae for dirt cheap by returning them to Hawks.

I don’t think that’s even remotely true. You need a distributor who can play hard nosed D, throw a lob, and score opportunistically.

[Rocalcio]

https://youtu.be/8BZWSV1B5fc?feature=shared

I Don’t Know How Anyone Can Listen To Murray Talk In Interviews Today And Not See How Much He Has Grown. Everything He Says Nowadays Are As If He’s Reading From A Script Written By The Spurs. In This Interview, Many Of These Phrases Are From Pop.

Are you putting capital letters at each word on purpose, just to be like Murray on Instagram ? That’s very difficult to read.

[DesignatedT]

I'll pass on Murray. Just never been a huge fan of his game in today's NBA especially when he expects to dominate the ball most possessions. Just seems like one of those guys who is a really good player but will never take the next step to great/elite ala DeRozan.

Give me Trae if he legit wants to come here. How exciting would that be.

[Jordan Jackson]

It seems like Murray is going to be salary dumped. I can’t see a way for the Spurs to re-acquire Murray that allows the Hawks to save face. The Hawks are an absolute mess. Hiring former Spurs (Fields & Snyder) ain’t going to save them either.

[LeBowen]

I don’t think that’s even remotely true. You need a distributor who can play hard nosed D, throw a lob, and score opportunistically.

Then we need more creation on the wings.
In my opinion it would be easier to get an elite playmaker at point and then 3-D wings than trying to find another point forward.

[Robz4000]

I'll pass on Murray. Just never been a huge fan of his game in today's NBA especially when he expects to dominate the ball most possessions. Just seems like one of those guys who is a really good player but will never take the next step to great/elite ala DeRozan.

Give me Trae if he legit wants to come here. How exciting would that be.

:lol you just explained why you don't want Murray then ask for Trae who is all of those and more

[DesignatedT]

:lol you just explained why you don't want Murray then ask for Trae who is all of those and more

Nah. Maybe to a certain degree but Trae changes the entire court and how opponents have to defend. Nobody is worried about DJM.
Trae plays no defense but that's today's NBA.

[mo7888]

It seems like Murray is going to be salary dumped. I can’t see a way for the Spurs to re-acquire Murray that allows the Hawks to save face. The Hawks are an absolute mess. Hiring former Spurs (Fields & Snyder) ain’t going to save them either.

Then we win either way.... Atlanta salary dumps him to us for chump change or to somebody else for chump change....either way, they are worse and we own their picks.

[lefty]

Trae plays no defense but that's today's NBA.
They sure played a lot of defense back in the good old days

[Mr. Body]

League front office is working hard to get Dejounte to the Lakers.

[mo7888]

League front office is working hard to get Dejounte to the Lakers.

No doubt, but Atlanta is going to jave to come off that 2 1st's demand or LA is gonna have to come off Reaves to get it done. Who blinks first?

[Mr. Body]

No doubt, but Atlanta is going to jave to come off that 2 1st's demand or LA is gonna have to come off Reaves to get it done. Who blinks first?

The league has... ways.

[spurraider21]

The league has... ways.
https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-26-2015/Gy2fKk.gif

[Mr. Body]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-26-2015/Gy2fKk.gif

Yes, the NBA has no vested interest in funneling talent to help LeBron, you're absolutely right.

[spurraider21]

Yes, the NBA has no vested interest in funneling talent to help LeBron, you're absolutely right.
the nba rejected chris paul to the lakers :lol

yes, the nba wants stars in big markets. but i dont think they put the squeeze on other teams to deliver them for discounts.

the league has continued making it more and more difficult for big market teams to spend spend spend. the new cba is a prime example

[DAF86]

This comes down to what you value more: DJ or the Hawks unprotected picks, because there's no way in hell the Hawks are sending us Murray without getting, at least, one of those back. And, to me, the answer is pretty clear: give me those picks all the way. Do you realize how awesome it will be when we are a playoffs team in 2027 and have a top 5 pick coming in the offseason. :lol

[spurraider21]

This comes down to what you value more: DJ or the Hawks unprotected picks, because there's no way in hell the Hawks are sending us Murray without getting, at least, one of those back. And, to me, the answer is pretty clear: give me those picks all the way. Do you realize how awesome it will be when we are a playoffs team in 2027 and have a top 5 pick coming in the offseason. :lol
yeah, i wouldnt give the unprotected ATL picks in a murray trade. at best i would convert one on them into a swap or something. so instead of ATL giving us their 2027 pick, it becomes a swap where the spurs get the more favorable.

[Joseph Kony]

This comes down to what you value more: DJ or the Hawks unprotected picks, because there's no way in hell the Hawks are sending us Murray without getting, at least, one of those back. And, to me, the answer is pretty clear: give me those picks all the way. Do you realize how awesome it will be when we are a playoffs team in 2027 and have a top 5 pick coming in the offseason. :lol
if Pop is still around, that pick is going to spend the entire year in the G-league or riding the pine :lol

[exstatic]

yeah, i wouldnt give the unprotected ATL picks in a murray trade. at best i would convert one on them into a swap or something. so instead of ATL giving us their 2027 pick, it becomes a swap where the spurs get the more favorable.

How is that an ATL asset in a Murray trade?

[mo7888]

How is that an ATL asset in a Murray trade?

Because they have no pick in 2027, and this would give them the least value between the two we own there.

[spurraider21]

How is that an ATL asset in a Murray trade?
atlanta currently does not have a 2027 pick

in my scenario, atlanta receives the worse of the spurs/atl 2027 picks

so basically if you rewind on the murray deal, rather than atlanta outright giving the spurs an unprotected 2027 pick, we make it such that they gave us an unprotected swap

[exstatic]

If I’m ATLANTA, I’d rather have the CHA pick than the worst of ours and theirs in 27. At least that one may be in the teens.

[Chinook]

If I’m ATLANTA, I’d rather have the CHA pick than the worst of ours and theirs in 27. At least that one may be in the teens.

If they want to build around Young, getting the 25 and 27 picks comverted to swaps means they can trade up to five firsts instead of 2. It's a huge difference.

[scott]

If I’m ATLANTA, I’d rather have the CHA pick than the worst of ours and theirs in 27. At least that one may be in the teens.

The worst of ATL or SA ‘27 could be as high as #2 or as low as #30, but it will DEFINITELY be a FRP. The CHA pick (barring a major unexpected event this year) can only be as high as #15 in 2025 or as low as #60 in 2026 and #60 in 2026.

Worst of ATL/SA ‘27 >>>>>> CHA in terms of pick value, and it’s not even close. This is before factoring in value of freeing up ATL to make other trades. Any suggestion to value otherwise is just being disingenuous.

[CGD]

I feel bad for Landry/Quinn, they probably want to ship Trae out ASAP but ownership is stopping them from it.

[twodeep]

I feel bad for Landry/Quinn, they probably want to ship Trae out ASAP but ownership is stopping them from it.
We know the bling player give the dumb fans false hope so the owners can rake in the money on ticket, beer and jersey sales. Hawks ownership you know is looking at it from that angle not what wins basketball games.

[Davidicus]

What offers are starting to look like:

https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1748406945315488165?s=20

The Lakers and Hawks have discussed potential frameworks of a deal surrounding Dejounte Murray, sources tell
@jovanbuha
◻️ LAL receives: Dejounte Murray
◻️ ATL receives: D’Angelo Russell, Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2029 first-round pick and additional draft compensation

https://x.com/Kennyduhballern/status/1748205481024254193?s=20

Sources are telling me that the Knicks and Hawks have already verbally agreed on a deal to send Dejounte Murray to New York. The deal will involve Atlanta sending Murray, AJ Griffin, and a protected 2027 second round pick to New York in exchange for Evan Fournier, Quentin Grimes, and 2 unspecified first round picks and a 2024 second round pick. Atlanta is still gauging more offers which is why the deal hasn’t been made official just yet but right now the Knicks are far in the lead in the Dejounte Murray sweepstakes.

[Mr. Body]

Knicks deal makes them really intriguing.

[NASpurs]

Wow the Knicks FO are turning the cursed franchise around... if that trade goes through.

[exstatic]

Wow the Knicks FO are turning the cursed franchise around... if that trade goes through.

It’s amazing what happens when a meddling,idiotic owner steps out of the way.

[CGD]

Wow the Knicks FO are turning the cursed franchise around... if that trade goes through.

Is that source legit tho? Seems like some rando

[Davidicus]

https://x.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1748441083007406555?s=20

[Mr. Body]

BREAKING NEWS: no news

[Davidicus]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1748445996642648494?s=20

[exstatic]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1748445996642648494?s=20

Yeah, that’s not getting it done.

[mo7888]

What offers are starting to look like:

https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1748406945315488165?s=20

The Lakers and Hawks have discussed potential frameworks of a deal surrounding Dejounte Murray, sources tell
@jovanbuha
◻️ LAL receives: Dejounte Murray
◻️ ATL receives: D’Angelo Russell, Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2029 first-round pick and additional draft compensation

https://x.com/Kennyduhballern/status/1748205481024254193?s=20

Sources are telling me that the Knicks and Hawks have already verbally agreed on a deal to send Dejounte Murray to New York. The deal will involve Atlanta sending Murray, AJ Griffin, and a protected 2027 second round pick to New York in exchange for Evan Fournier, Quentin Grimes, and 2 unspecified first round picks and a 2024 second round pick. Atlanta is still gauging more offers which is why the deal hasn’t been made official just yet but right now the Knicks are far in the lead in the Dejounte Murray sweepstakes.

So, 2 1st's for Murray and Griffin....hmmm

[Leetonidas]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1748445996642648494?s=20

:lmao Hawks fans would riot at that return and Young would immediately demand a trade

[baseline bum]

:lmao Hawks fans would riot at that return and Young would immediately demand a trade

Not so sure after they didn't riot in response to the first Murray trade

[Dverde]

Why would you trade DJ for D’Angelo Russell…love to see the front office sell that one.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

"Additionally, Lowe says that the Spurs reached out to the Hawks to explore the possibility of a reversal of sorts to their 2022 Dejounte Murray deal, but those talks don’t appear to have gotten far."

Even a partial reversal of the old deal would have to be appealing and better than most offers but can they get past the optics of losing the first trade so badly and then trading him back at a discount?

[Tyronn Lue]

Exploratory interest in Victor would be nice.

[Davidicus]

"Additionally, Lowe says that the Spurs reached out to the Hawks to explore the possibility of a reversal of sorts to their 2022 Dejounte Murray deal, but those talks don’t appear to have gotten far."

Even a partial reversal of the old deal would have to be appealing and better than most offers but can they get past the optics of losing the first trade so badly and then trading him back at a discount?

This is straight from Zach Lowe's article (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/39315132/lowe-utah-success-backfired-hawks-trade-okc-two-man-game) vs playing telephone:

"The Hawks control their first-round pick this season, but future picks they owe San Antonio stand in the way of any multiseason tank job -- which is what a Young trade would likely entail. The Spurs reached out to Atlanta about Murray, sources said, pitching a sort of trade mulligan. Those talks don't appear to have gotten far; there are other Murray suitors."

This, and everything I've gathered from supposed insiders on the interwebs, makes me believe:

Hawks FO want to try building a roster around Trae that works for Quin Snyder, and in next 1-2 years if it doesn't pan out, and/or Trae get's pissed, they press the red button and send Trae back to SA for their picks for a proper rebuild.

Seems like they want certain players they think will fit into Quin's system, and as high as possible draft picks as currency. I'm guessing whatever combo offer we sent wasn't that good.

We will see in 1-2 years how it shakes out :lol...but seems very slim chance we do business with ATL by the trade deadline.

[Leetonidas]

Not so sure after they didn't riot in response to the first Murray trade

Because they foolishly thought they were getting a legit all star to pair with Young :lol coughing up the picks they did which has completely fucked their immediate future up and then turning around and trading the guy they got with it for peanuts would be beyond idiotic

[RC_Drunkford]

What offers are starting to look like:

https://x.com/TheAthletic/status/1748406945315488165?s=20

The Lakers and Hawks have discussed potential frameworks of a deal surrounding Dejounte Murray, sources tell
@jovanbuha
◻️ LAL receives: Dejounte Murray
◻️ ATL receives: D’Angelo Russell, Jalen Hood-Schifino, 2029 first-round pick and additional draft compensation

https://x.com/Kennyduhballern/status/1748205481024254193?s=20

Sources are telling me that the Knicks and Hawks have already verbally agreed on a deal to send Dejounte Murray to New York. The deal will involve Atlanta sending Murray, AJ Griffin, and a protected 2027 second round pick to New York in exchange for Evan Fournier, Quentin Grimes, and 2 unspecified first round picks and a 2024 second round pick. Atlanta is still gauging more offers which is why the deal hasn’t been made official just yet but right now the Knicks are far in the lead in the Dejounte Murray sweepstakes.

why are you quoting a random twitter account from a TikToker named Kenny? I could do that too and tell you the Spurs are about to aquire Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

[Davidicus]

why are you quoting a random twitter account from a TikToker named Kenny? I could do that too and tell you the Spurs are about to aquire Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

He has sauses….jk. Hawks board have been reporting a trade like that for a few days now, so more or less the same. AJ Griffin would be new.

[Splits]

why are you quoting a random twitter account from a TikToker named Kenny? I could do that too and tell you the Spurs are about to aquire Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

must be a political forum stalker and learned from h:lolt:lolr in the Ukriane thread

[BatManu20]

https://x.com/BrettSiegelNBA/status/1748445996642648494?s=20

Then he won't be a Buck. Hawks essentially gave up 3 FRP's for DJ, they're gonna be desperate to at least 2 FRP's back for him (unlikely), especially on his friendly long-term deal he just signed. Either way, that trade offer ain't gonna cut it.

[CGD]

^ I think all this theatre is to shake loose the last valuable FRP the LAL own, as well maybe Reeves.

[Seventyniner]

I bet at least some people in the Hawks FO would prefer to trade both Young and Murray if it can get them their 2025/2027 picks and 2026 swap back from the Spurs. That way they can do a proper tank job.

I would be very surprised if the Spurs would even consider undoing the Murray trade, i.e. giving back both picks and the swap. Murray wasn't worth that to begin with and he still isn't.

[RC_Drunkford]

I bet at least some people in the Hawks FO would prefer to trade both Young and Murray if it can get them their 2025/2027 picks and 2026 swap back from the Spurs. That way they can do a proper tank job.

I would be very surprised if the Spurs would even consider undoing the Murray trade, i.e. giving back both picks and the swap. Murray wasn't worth that to begin with and he still isn't.

no way do you give them all the picks back. They are asking for 2. When they traded for DJ he was an All-Star, led the NBA in steals and almost averaged a triple double. He doesn't have that value anymore.

[baseline bum]

I bet at least some people in the Hawks FO would prefer to trade both Young and Murray if it can get them their 2025/2027 picks and 2026 swap back from the Spurs. That way they can do a proper tank job.

I would be very surprised if the Spurs would even consider undoing the Murray trade, i.e. giving back both picks and the swap. Murray wasn't worth that to begin with and he still isn't.

If I get Trae WTF do I want Dejounte for though? :lol

[exstatic]

If I get Trae WTF do I want Dejounte for though? :lol

I think he meant trade DJ somewhere else, then trade Trae to us to get their picks back.

[BatManu20]

I bet at least some people in the Hawks FO would prefer to trade both Young and Murray if it can get them their 2025/2027 picks and 2026 swap back from the Spurs. That way they can do a proper tank job.

I would be very surprised if the Spurs would even consider undoing the Murray trade, i.e. giving back both picks and the swap. Murray wasn't worth that to begin with and he still isn't.

I don't even want Dejounte back at this rate tbh. I'm either Team Trae or Team draft a PG in the lottery this year. DJ would be too expensive to re-acquire for what he provides and while it'd be a nice story, there are just better directions for us to move in at this point.

[jjspur]

So far it seems that the knicks offer is the best offer from the spurs, lakers (the worst) and bucks. We are just waiting for a sucker team to add more to the offer. If the hawks wait too long the offers may get smaller as it gets closer to the trade deadline and some team gets desperate.

[scott]

If that Knicks framework is to believed, it will be amazing to see the Hawks get raped twice in deals related to DJM :lol

AJ Griffin looked decent last year, hasn't played much this year... I assume he's hurt?

NYK has a lot of picks to offer, but they're all garbage. Here is a list of their tradeable FRPs:

All their own FRPs
'24 DAL (Protected 1-10 in 24, 1-10 in 25)
'24 DET (Protected 1-18 in 24, 1-13 in 25, 1-11 in 26, 1-9 in 27)
'24 WAS (Protected 1-12 in 24, 1-10 in 25, 1-8 in 26)
'25 MIL (Protected 1-4)

Unless ATL is getting some further out unprotected NYK picks, they are gonna get fucked on that one :lol

[scott]

I predict DJM will eventually get moved somewhere in a deal that frustrates Spurs fans because on paper we could have easily beat is... but the reality will be that there is a Spurs premium that Atlanta puts on dealing with us because they can't afford the optics of getting fucks twice by Brian Wright.

[objective]

Don't know how many times it's been mentioned in the thread, but it's worth remembering that Dejounte's trade kicker may be paid by Atlanta, but the amount paid gets added to his cap number for his new team.

Right now his kicked is going to add an extra $3 million a year to his cap number.

24/25 will be closer to 28
25/26 will be closer to 29
26/27 will be closer to 30

So Murray won't be quite as cheap as one might expect as a benefit to a cap team like San Antonio

[BacktoBasics]

I predict DJM will eventually get moved somewhere in a deal that frustrates Spurs fans because on paper we could have easily beat is... but the reality will be that there is a Spurs premium that Atlanta puts on dealing with us because they can't afford the optics of getting fucks twice by Brian Wright.
This is definitely gonna happen. It’s going to be unbearable here after that.

[baseline bum]

I predict DJM will eventually get moved somewhere in a deal that frustrates Spurs fans because on paper we could have easily beat is... but the reality will be that there is a Spurs premium that Atlanta puts on dealing with us because they can't afford the optics of getting fucks twice by Brian Wright.

If Atlanta gets a trash return, especially if that return is just picks, then I'm good since it makes the 25, 26, and 27 picks that much better.

[Mr. Body]

I predict DJM will eventually get moved somewhere in a deal that frustrates Spurs fans because on paper we could have easily beat is... but the reality will be that there is a Spurs premium that Atlanta puts on dealing with us because they can't afford the optics of getting fucks twice by Brian Wright.

This is it right here. Atl can't afford to send him back to the Spurs.

[Seventyniner]

Dejounte upping his own trade value. Game winners in two straight games.

[Robz4000]

:cry bring him home :cry

[BatManu20]

Back-to-back game-winners for Dejounte. His price on the trade market just keeps going up :lol

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[r0drig0lac]

the leader did it again

[Seventyniner]

tbh I hope this fools the Hawks into keeping Dejounte. Then they can go 15-26 to start next season before panicking.

[Mr. Body]

The problem with the Hawks isn't really Dejounte, it's that they're lacking talent and their 'franchise player' is Trae Young. It's just that Murray is the asset they can move.

[baseline bum]

tbh I hope this fools the Hawks into keeping Dejounte. Then they can go 15-26 to start next season before panicking.

Hope not. I want to see them dump him for picks and then go 10-31 to start next season.

[scott]

Trae Young suffers concussion, out indefinitely. Wonder what impact, if any, this has on the Hawks thinking.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39356045/hawks-trae-young-suffers-concussion-indefinitely

[exstatic]

Trae Young suffers concussion, out indefinitely. Wonder what impact, if any, this has on the Hawks thinking.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39356045/hawks-trae-young-suffers-concussion-indefinitely

Extra: Hawks go on a heater without their starting PG.

[R. DeMurre]

I read a social media post from Immanuel Quickley last week where he talked about getting the news of the trade to Toronto from his agent, after having no communication with them previously. That really surprised me. I'd assumed the Raptors would've at least contacted him pre-trade to at least feel out his opinions on his upcoming free agency.

[exstatic]

I read a social media post from Immanuel Quickley last week where he talked about getting the news of the trade to Toronto from his agent, after having no communication with them previously. That really surprised me. I'd assumed the Raptors would've at least contacted him pre-trade to at least feel out his opinions on his upcoming free agency.

Some teams will let you talk to their players, pre-trade, and some won’t. Toronto and the Knicks are embroiled in a lawsuit, and don’t have the best relationship.

[scott]

And Quickly will be an RFA, not a UFA, so the free agency worries are minimized.

[Dverde]

Here he goes again. We all knew it was a matter of time.

https://x.com/speakcontext/status/1750204115831931384?s=46

[Seventyniner]

He must have gotten hacked, he Didn't Start All His Words With A Capital Letter.

[couchman]

His defense fell off before he left SA, but most assumed it was because we was more focused on offense.
I have to wonder if he can get it back.
His best years on D he had other good defenders around him.

[BatManu20]

Klutch and the media trying their hardest to get Dejounte to LA.

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[DAF86]

Here he goes again. We all knew it was a matter of time.

https://x.com/speakcontext/status/1750204115831931384?s=46

This dude has some serious issues. I want him nowhere near Wemby. And I'm not being one of those dumb homers saying "not Spurs' material", I would risk putting up with his childish bullshit if the talent level was worth it, but not for a fringe "all-star" that puts up empty stats, tbh.

[spurraider21]

yeah, dejounte is a petty little baby on social media. but if thats the worst of his character flaws, can be lived with. durant is just as sensitive