Most Likely Off Season Scenario?

[DPG21920]

I mean its a pretty safe bet to say the Spurs won't get Young. That's by far the likeliest scenario here. I'm not betting against, Wemby being a great offensive player either! But if Wemby ever has as season above .40 from 3 and an assist percentage that high while limiting turnovers I'll be very surprised. I do think Wemby could have some monster offensive seasons but I do think they'll likely take a very good facilitator.

I agree with you on the shooting; but its more that hes got so much gravity on his rolls to rim, ability to get fouled and shoot FT that even without shooting 40% from 3, he can be a total efficient monster on offense. His playmaking is damn good outside of carelessness IMO so ya as long as he can grow there and make sure to value the ball?

I do agree it will take good facilitator(s) I just think it comes less in the form of a ball dominant “PG” like Trae/Nash/Stockton types and more a multi-faceted attacking offense where lots of guys have playmaking responsibilities (like how Dev is really getting a lot more there, the Sochan experiment).

Spurs may very well target a legit point guard too, I just dont think its going to be a Trae like ball dominant one even if they possess that ability - they will have to be able to play off ball too, but will help a lot when you have times guys need to be able to go one on one and bend defenses etc

[spurraider21]

Trae is not Stockton, not even close.
when did i say trae was stockton?

im merely establishing that there is plenty of precedent for an on-ball point guard to not be the #1 option. DAF made it sound like its an either-or

[exstatic]

On ball is a pretty vague and undefined term. Trae’s career USG is 32.4. Stockton’s s 18.9.

[scott]

I always find it interested to see Usage used as a measure in debates. What is it that folks think USG is measuring? People seem to think it is an indicator of how frequently a player touches the ball, but that isn't what USG% is measuring at all. For example, a theoretical catch and shoot player who never takes any dribbles and who's every touch is a shot, and who shots a lot, would have an extremely high USG% and a theoretical point guard to dribbles the air out of the ball and then passes to that catch-and-shoot player would have a very low USG%.

USG% is effectively measuring the % of a teams possessions that are ended by a player, either by a made shot (or FT), missed shot (or FT), or turnover. It is quite a poor measure if used to try to explain if a player touches the ball a lot (or is "ball dominant") or is a play maker who accumulates a lot of assists, etc.

So to that point... what is to be inferred by comparing Trae Young's USG to John Stockton's? Both are certainly "ball dominant", but they are different players with different playing styles with different other "possession terminating" options available to them. It was clear John Stockton was not the #1 option for the Jazz, so naturally his USG% is going to be lower. But that doesn't really tell us anything about Stockton as a player. Young has always been expected to be the #1 option, which is directly measured by USG%, so of course his will be higher.

Fair question about whether Trae would be able to transition to being, at a minimum, Option 1a next to a 1b (compared to always being the clear #1), not to mention being Option 1b or 2. But his historical USG% doesn't really tell us anything about that.

[DAF86]

Meaning your own, you’re right. You wrote a dumb fucking post. And not for the first time.




You claim that the reason Jokic has such fine assist numbers isn’t because he’s a great passer, it’s only because he gets his hands on the ball a lot.

You moron.

(Trae Young has a higher AST% this season than Jokic, btw.)




Would Trae Young become the shooting guard if he joined the Spurs?

Nice try at changing the subject. You moron.

The funniest thing is how you wrote that with no regard at all for the change of position. Looks like you don’t care about a change of position. You need to go back to those posts you’ve made where you’ve been so insistent that Wemby must be a center, and apologize, and tell everyone you’ve now concluded that position doesn’t matter.

So go do that now.

The argument you have presented is basically: ‘higher assist numbers don’t mean a player is a better passer, because DeJounte Murray became a shooting guard.’

You moron.




Nice try, spunky. Ya dumbass.

And even though the entire reason for the discussion is possible teammates for Wemby, you wrote another post where you didn’t mention Wemby at all.

You moron.

Jamal Murray has an AST% of 31.2.

Trae Young has an AST% of 44.4.

Which of those two is more likely to get an assist to Wemby on a typical possession?

Can you answer that? Or are you truly nothing but a dumbass?

What a fucking moron. :lmao

[DAF86]

Why is this some given? Trae is currently by far the better of the two offensively and its not some given Wemby is that good ever. Wemby is going to be a very good player on both sides of the court, but his role with Trae would be one where he can receive lobs and other passes to put him in position to score easily. It would make zero sense to have Young defer to him.

If Wemby doesn't become a better offensive player than Trae fucking Young, then IDGAF because the Spurs aren't contending any time soon.

[rankingtear]

And OF COURSE he's not an off ball player. This is quite honestly the stupidest line of criticism I've seen. Young is one of the best offensive players in the league and by FAR the best player on his team. Why would he be expected to play off ball when he's their best on ball player? Why would they put the ball in someone elses hands when they are better by having it in his hands?


Cause they don't want a repeat of the MIA series in 2022. That is why they brought Quinn and his motion offense and overpaid for DJ the next year. You need multiple creators to not a hit a brick wall in certain playoff matchups. More elite helio players have lead guards beside them, Kyrie is the robin to most of them. Best defenses forces him to play off ball or in the MIA case jack up contested bombs at an 18 percent clip.

[exstatic]

Cause they don't want a repeat of the MIA series in 2022. That is why they brought Quinn and his motion offense and overpaid for DJ the next year. You need multiple creators to not a hit a brick wall in certain playoff matchups. More elite helio players have lead guards beside them, Kyrie is the robin to most of them. Best defenses forces him to play off ball or in the MIA case jack up contested bombs at an 18 percent clip.

Another example is Kobe, between Shaq leaving and Gasol arriving. Clearly the best player taking all of the shots, but LA didn’t do shit.

[spurraider21]

More rumblings that Clippers and PG may not come to terms on an extension. George as a veteran presence who can still get shit done on both ends would be a dream scenario. Can make it a sign and trade. Send the clippers keldon and the bulls first if that’s what it takes

tho obviously pg will likely prefer a contender whether that ultimately means accepting less to stay with LAC or joining embiid and maxey in philly

[DAF86]

More rumblings that Clippers and PG may not come to terms on an extension. George as a veteran presence who can still get shit done on both ends would be a dream scenario. Can make it a sign and trade. Send the clippers keldon and the bulls first if that’s what it takes

tho obviously pg will likely prefer a contender whether that ultimately means accepting less to stay with LAC or joining embiid and maxey in philly

If the Warriors don't even make the play-in and Curry asks out:

Curry, Vassell, PG13, Sochan, Wemby :wakeup

[CGD]

More rumblings that Clippers and PG may not come to terms on an extension. George as a veteran presence who can still get shit done on both ends would be a dream scenario. Can make it a sign and trade. Send the clippers keldon and the bulls first if that’s what it takes

tho obviously pg will likely prefer a contender whether that ultimately means accepting less to stay with LAC or joining embiid and maxey in philly

He’s posturing. Clippers want him to give them the Kawhi discount, and he’s gonna leverage a Sixer max offer to get the Clippers to match it. He’ll most likely stay in LA of course, but it could create a weird dynamic if he makes more that Kawhi who is the superior player.

[Tyronn Lue]

If the Warriors don't even make the play-in and Curry asks out:

Curry, Vassell, PG13, Sochan, Wemby :wakeup
That cheap ass front office isn't going to pay for anyone who even received a single all star vote.

[tonight...you]

If Wemby doesn't become a better offensive player than Trae fucking Young, then IDGAF because the Spurs aren't contending any time soon.
Yeah, I don't even know what to say about Manny's post, but: Wow.

[scott]

Updating my “most likely” prediction to:

1. Draft some kid who will ultimately end up a role player but will be a fan favorite
2. Sign some washed former all-star like Klay
3. Rely upon the natural growth of our team to improve to a 26 win team

[Duncan2177]

Updating my “most likely” prediction to:

1. Draft some kid who will ultimately end up a role player but will be a fan favorite
2. Sign some washed former all-star like Klay
3. Rely upon the natural growth of our team to improve to a 26 win team

:vomit:

[CGD]

Man, the Mitchell extension situation is gonna be fascinating to watch. If Spurs could land Garland this summer as a result, while keeping the ATL picks that would be awesome. This is my preferred offseason scenario.

I’m not high on Trae, but in any case feels like he’ll be a Laker.

[mo7888]

Man, the Mitchell extension situation is gonna be fascinating to watch. If Spurs could land Garland this summer as a result, while keeping the ATL picks that would be awesome. This is my preferred offseason scenario.

I’m not high on Trae, but in any case feels like he’ll be a Laker.

Trae going to LA is a best case scenario

[Degoat]

Realistic off-season but pretty underwhelming

Draft Zach Risacher
trade for Garland
Sign Gary Trent Junior and kyle Anderson

Wemby/Collins
Sochan/Kyle
Gary Trent/Zach Risacher/Julian
Dev/Branham
Garland/Tre

extra roster fillers

[CGD]

Trae going to LA is a best case scenario

I agree. There is a fresh round of scuttlebutt of Trae to Lakers rumbling today.

[CGD]

Realistic off-season but pretty underwhelming

Draft Zach Risacher
trade for Garland
Sign Gary Trent Junior and kyle Anderson

Wemby/Collins
Sochan/Kyle
Gary Trent/Zach Risacher/Julian
Dev/Branham
Garland/Tre

extra roster fillers

That would be a home run off season. I’d even be ok with a lesser placeholder like Batum at 3 until Risaxher (or Matas or Cody) matures into the starting role.

My hope is that Branham goes out in the CLE trade. Thin the herd while sending him to his home state.

[spurraider21]

https://www.spotrac.com/news/2024-nba-offseason-financial-previews-2234/#SAS

[Degoat]

That would be a home run off season. I’d even be ok with a lesser placeholder like Batum at 3 until Risaxher (or Matas or Cody) matures into the starting role.

My hope is that Branham goes out in the CLE trade. Thin the herd while sending him to his home state.

I think something along those lines could happen which I’d be happy with but that lineup is still probably barely fighting for the Play-in

[onechance87]

Would love to get tyus jones on a cheap deal.Tho i think orlando make throw big money at him.
We also need shooters and perhaps another big man.Alot of role players this off season can be major upgrades
over branham and champ.

[JPB]

Would love to get tyus jones on a cheap deal.Tho i think orlando make throw big money at him.
We also need shooters and perhaps another big man.Alot of role players this off season can be major upgrades
over branham and champ.

Agreed. With Collins' regression and Bassey inability to stay healthy, that team needs a solid, reliable big, even if they end up wit Sarr. We can always hope Zach rebounds next year (both litterally and figuratively) but the back up situation at C is really a concern and Barlow can only be a 3rd big at best.

[CGD]

I think something along those lines could happen which I’d be happy with but that lineup is still probably barely fighting for the Play-in

I think a Garland-Vassell-Wemby centered team would absolutely challenge for a playoff spot. Add Sochan as your defensive wing, and another vet wing with size and that team can definitely make some noise.

The key would be keeping those ATL picks while getting Garland.

[DAF86]

Another crazy offseason scenario just for the heck of it:

-Our pick this upcoming draft + filler for Herb Jones
-Keldon + Collins + Raptors pick and 2 Hawks picks for Donovan Mitchell.
-Sign Grayson Allen

Mitchell
Vassell
Herb Jones
Sochan
Wemby

Tre
Branham
Allen
Barlow

Would the Spurs consider it?
Would the Pelicans and Cavs go for it? If not, what do you think it would take?
How good is that team?

[scott]

Another crazy offseason scenario just for the heck of it:

-Our pick this upcoming draft + filler for Herb Jones
-Keldon + Collins + Raptors pick and 2 Hawks picks for Donovan Mitchell.
-Sign Grayson Allen

Mitchell
Vassell
Herb Jones
Sochan
Wemby

Tre
Branham
Allen
Barlow

Would the Spurs consider it?
Would the Pelicans and Cavs go for it? If not, what do you think it would take?
How good is that team?

I quite dig this starting SL, but our bench will be extremely weak. I don't know what this does to our immediate cap, but let's assume it puts us over and we need to fill out the roster with vet minimum deals... can we build a legit bench from that? I hate that it leaves Branham as a key bench player.

[DAF86]

I quite dig this starting SL, but our bench will be extremely weak. I don't know what this does to our immediate cap, but let's assume it puts us over and we need to fill out the roster with vet minimum deals... can we build a legit bench from that? I hate that it leaves Branham as a key bench player.

If the Spurs add Mitchell and Herb Jones to Wemby, you can bet there's gonna be a lot of guys willing to join the team on veteran min deals, tbh.

[CGD]

Like Mitchell, but wouldn’t give anything up for him until he extends his deal first.

[DAF86]

The biggest question mark out of all of those moves is the Herb Jones trade. They love him in NO and I don't think even a top 3 pick would be enough for them to part ways with him, imho.

[DAF86]

Like Mitchell, but wouldn’t give anything up for him until he extends his deal first.

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

[CGD]

Well yeah, that goes without saying.

The problem is that won’t happen this summer. He’s being uncommittal as hell, probably bec he wants to go to NYC (tho I don’t think Knicks want him) or to Miami.

[TD 21]

I'm now thinking Brogdon (Graham, the Hornets 1st and maybe a 2nd, should get it done) is more likely than Jones, who seemed to be working in concert with the Wizards as they tanked down the stretch. Players coming up on free agency don't do that unless there's a strong possibility of re-signing.

Still split on Williams/Buzelis, but leaning more to the latter now.

Steadfast on Caleb Martin, though.

[spurraider21]

id much rather send SRPs over for brogdon than go and pay Tyus Jones

we should be developing a higher ceiling PG in the meantime anyway. i dont want to lock myself into Tyus even though he's solid