Robert Dillingham - 2024 NBA Draft Prospect

[DPG21920]

STers are deep in their meme bag with Keldon. There are trades where moving him makes sense. But because replacing him will cost at least what he makes, it's not the solution so many want it to be. That's even more true when you're talking about trading him away to (slightly) improve a pick rather than getting a new one.

You aren't trading Castle for Keldon. You're trading Keldon for the peace of mind knowing that you don't have to wait an extra three picks to take Castle. The Spurs shouldn't pass on Castle at 4 if they feel that strongly about him. Risacher would be nice because there is almost certainly going to be a PG at 8 that will work. But in and of himself he's just a decent wing prospect. If Castle can't be out a decent wing prospect, he's not worth trading Keldon and a top-10 pick to acquire.

But let's entertain the trade, because as I said, there are paths forward.



After this trade (and assuming the Spurs pay a team to take Graham's guaranteed money off their hands), the Spurs would have about $39.7 Million in cap space. Their depth chart would look like this:


Jones, Castle, Wesley
Vassell, Branham,
Risacher, Champangie
Sochan, Cissoko
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey


So ... What? I guess they can try to get Monk signed to a $100M/4 deal. That leaves $16.4 Million in cap space. Then there'd be the room exception for $8 Million. So let's add O'Neale and Osman.


Jones, Castle, Wesley
Vassell, Monk, Branham
Risacher, O'Neale, Champangie
Sochan, Osman, Cissoko
Wembanyama, Collins, Bassey

It's not a bad result, but there are mock off-seasons that involve picking Sheppard, Dillingham and more. If the Spurs truly feel like there are two blue-chippers on the board at their pick, and they have a deal in place to snag both, I would trust the FO to do what they think is right. But if they're just preferable to near-equal prospects, then I don't see how you could do this trade. Just have draft discipline.

Agreed. It’s not the end of the world if SA does this, but as I said, they better truly believe in these guys being legit all star level guys to smoke Keldon + 8 for them given how this draft seems and how they rate as overall prospects (not prospects just comparatively to who is in this draft).

If Im SA and you really want pick 5, I would much prefer using pick 8 + a future pick and just keep Keldon while getting your guys in the draft. That way, you aren’t worried about free agency and needing to replace him and you can also have him to use for something more valuable if need be later on due to his talent and contract.

[BatManu20]

Think the Dillingham dream might be dead tbh. Don't see the Spurs taking him at 8 anymore. Think they're looking for positional size.

[baseline bum]

Also since I argued no way Keldon would have Poeltl's trade value, Poeltl's VORP the season he was traded and the season before were 1.9 and 1.7 while Keldon is barely above replacement level at 0.2 VORP (and 0.1 the year before). I think Spurs fans might have to come to terms with the idea that maybe Keldon Johnson is just a dime a dozen player in this league.

[tbdog]

Think the Dillingham dream might be dead tbh. Don't see the Spurs taking him at 8 anymore. Think they're looking for positional size.

That Dillingham video I posted above, shows why he'll be such a good offensive fit with Wemby.

[NASpurs]

Also since I argued no way Keldon would have Poeltl's trade value, Poeltl's VORP the season he was traded and the season before were 1.9 and 1.7 while Keldon is barely above replacement level at 0.2 VORP (and 0.1 the year before). I think Spurs fans might have to come to terms with the idea that maybe Keldon Johnson is just a dime a dozen player in this league.

Yeah he's a midget PF who goes through hot/cold shooting spells, can't play defense and does nothing spectacular on either end except yell. He was good for the tank but we need to move on.

[spurraider21]

I know you're not a Castle fan so what if the scenario is Sarr, Clingan, and Castle are taken in the top 3 and you can trade up to #5 for Sheppard to pair with Risacher?
I mean personally I’d just sit and take Risacher and Dillingham

[playblair]

Think the Dillingham dream might be dead tbh. Don't see the Spurs taking him at 8 anymore. Think they're looking for positional size.
that has been brian wrights archetype since his gm in detroit days.......nearly all brian wright picks have been busts.........dinwiddie is the only player brian wright has ever gotten right in a draft..........

[DPG21920]

Also since I argued no way Keldon would have Poeltl's trade value, Poeltl's VORP the season he was traded and the season before were 1.9 and 1.7 while Keldon is barely above replacement level at 0.2 VORP (and 0.1 the year before). I think Spurs fans might have to come to terms with the idea that maybe Keldon Johnson is just a dime a dozen player in this league.

Maybe theres some truth to that, but hes had seasons above that (I think he had a .9 season) and theres been a lot of flux.

[spurraider21]

Maybe theres some truth to that, but hes had seasons above that (I think he had a .9 season) and theres been a lot of flux.
He’s not a playmaker. He doesn’t shoot well. He doesn’t defend well. The latter two are typically how role players have an impact

[Extra Stout]

Julian Champagnie is better than Keldon Johnson.

[Chinook]

Prime example of ST meming. Some folks haven't realized that having flaws is not the same thing as being bad. That line of thinking is how Spurs Pau was talked about as a liability despite being one of the better defensive centers in the NBA and how Tre Jones can be one of the best defenders on the team while having folks obsessing over putting in a bigger PG for defensive purposes. Keldon is certainly flawed, and unless some things change, it's likely the team can't afford to play him big minutes when they start trying to contend. However, that time isn't now. The team's focus should be on converting the assets and flexibility they have into a deep roster that can sustain the loss of talent that comes with a big trade. They only have a handful of legit NBA rotation players. They shouldn't burn one of the few they have in a goal of maybe improving another position.

I've said before that I believe adding a running mate off the bench for Johnson would dramatically improve the second unit. Maybe that's drafting Dillingham. Maybe that's signing Monk. Maybe that's trading for Clarkson. There are a lot of paths to go. Ideally, the Spurs would be 8-10 deep with legit players/strong prospects. As far as who beats whom and where everyone should slot, let their play determine that instead of preemptively getting rid of every player who's ever wrong you.

[DPG21920]

Yup. This board has lost the plot completely on Keldon imo. Can he be improved upon? Absolutely. Is he a bad player? Nope.

[DPG21920]

He’s not a playmaker. He doesn’t shoot well. He doesn’t defend well. The latter two are typically how role players have an impact


His playmaking improved notably imo.

[LeBowen]

Yup. This board has lost the plot completely on Keldon imo. Can he be improved upon? Absolutely. Is he a bad player? Nope.

Is he a bad player for current Spurs roster? No.
But that's only because this roster barely has any actual NBA players.

Is he a bad player if we talk playoff team rosters? Absolutely.
He's a traffic cone on defense, has negative IQ on both ends which leads to those tunnel vision drives and bad shot selection.
Decent energy guy for bad teams, but players like him are a non-factor in the playoffs.

He's been with the Spurs for five seasons. He is what he is.
I'd much rather get rid of him right now hile some teams still might be dumb enough to think he has positive value than just let him go for nothing in a year.

[DPG21920]

That’s fine but salary dumping him is silly.

[LeBowen]

That’s fine but salary dumping him is silly.

I didn't say anything about salary dumping.
There are still teams that value him and if there's a good deal to be made, PATFO should do it.
He'd get salary dumped next year after everyone realizes he's not good.

[Mr. Body]

No one hates Spurs players more than Spurs fans, and SpursTalk is the summit of Spurs player hate. SpursTalk despises almost every single player who has ever played for this franchise other than maybe four or five.

[LeBowen]

No one hates Spurs players more than Spurs fans, and SpursTalk is the summit of Spurs player hate. SpursTalk despises almost every single player who has ever played for this franchise other than maybe four or five.

Go on and keep projecting just because I don't rate a player who's had five years to show off his talent and has made no improvements whatsoever.
The only positive thing about Keldon is that he seems to be a great guy and a vocal leader of the team.

[baseline bum]

That’s fine but salary dumping him is silly.

You keep calling it salary dumping when it's moving an inconsequential player to get someone the team might really want. Keldon will be 25 on opening night, he is as good right now as he'll most likely ever be. It's not like I'm saying dump Sochan to move up to 5.

[exstatic]

He’s not a playmaker. He doesn’t shoot well. He doesn’t defend well. The latter two are typically how role players have an impact

I’ll give you that his shooting is up and down, but his career mark is ~36%. He’s shot 40% for a season, so to say he can’t shoot is just hating. He’s also averaged 2.9 and 2.8 assists the last two years as someone who’s not handling the ball all that much. If you like advanced stats, his assist % the last two years has been 13.7 and 14.2. His asst/to ratio last year was 2.

[NASpurs]

No one hates Spurs players more than Spurs fans, and SpursTalk is the summit of Spurs player hate. SpursTalk despises almost every single player who has ever played for this franchise other than maybe four or five.

You should cry about this very subject on reddit. You can circle jerk there to your hearts content.

[Ariel]

I've already come to terms with the fact that the Spurs won't take Dillingham at 8. I just hope they use the pick on something productive, and not Primo v2.0

[Ariel]

Nah - too many on this board are way off on not just Keldon the player but valuations. Could Keldon net 5 on its own? I think so especially for a team like DET., but even if you don’t think so its not that far of IMO.

Even if SA had to give up CHA pick + 2 2nds along with Keldon, its somewhere in that “range”
I'd bet you my house that doesn't happen, but I won't because I know next thing you'd take that bet for real :lol

[Mr. Body]

You should cry about this very subject on reddit. You can circle jerk there to your hearts content.

Me: "People on SpursTalk are idiots who hate their own players."

You: "AMOOHONMGNGNGNALNWHARMGGLRLGLGLGMMBMBME"

[DPG21920]

You keep calling it salary dumping when it's moving an inconsequential player to get someone the team might really want. Keldon will be 25 on opening night, he is as good right now as he'll most likely ever be. It's not like I'm saying dump Sochan to move up to 5.

Moving up 3 spots is salary dumping. Trading Keldon + pick 8 to go to 5 is salary dumping.

[DPG21920]

I didn't say anything about salary dumping.
There are still teams that value him and if there's a good deal to be made, PATFO should do it.
He'd get salary dumped next year after everyone realizes he's not good.

The trade discussed here is salary dumping.

[DPG21920]

Go on and keep projecting just because I don't rate a player who's had five years to show off his talent and has made no improvements whatsoever.
The only positive thing about Keldon is that he seems to be a great guy and a vocal leader of the team.

This is not true and again, only on SpursTalk do people think this. It’s funny, because Im not here trying to defend Keldon like hes a superstar, but hes way better than most here rate.

[Splits]

https://youtu.be/ItlB7mvk888?si=dD8cce-AK63VqG9f

It does look good though.

Best part about that video was showing an early-season Texas A&M ranked 7 :lmao and then unranked in a later clip. Why are the Aggies so profoundly overranked in bball and football every fuckin year in pre/early season rankings?

[baseline bum]

Moving up 3 spots is salary dumping. Trading Keldon + pick 8 to go to 5 is salary dumping.

You can keep saying it but it doesn't make it so.

[baseline bum]

This is not true and again, only on SpursTalk do people think this. It’s funny, because Im not here trying to defend Keldon like hes a superstar, but hes way better than most here rate.

Then why is he statistically replacement level and has been 4 out of the 5 years of his career? Only was significantly above replacement level in a contract year back in 21-22.

[DPG21920]

Then why is he statistically replacement level and has been 4 out of the 5 years of his career? Only was significantly above replacement level in a contract year back in 21-22.

So then hes shown he can be well above replacement…that’s how I see it.

[DPG21920]

You can keep saying it but it doesn't make it so.

It 100% makes it so. Getting no player of value in return and giving up a lottery pick to simply get 3 more spots up is in every way a functional salary dump. I dont see how to frame it any other way.

Im talking about value. You are saying spurs are getting their guy and that’s fine, but from a value perspective since you also have pick 8 and the players available there, that gap in 5 v 8 even if you rate Castle a tier higher than the others is still a salary dump.

[baseline bum]

It 100% makes it so. Getting no player of value in return and giving up a lottery pick to simply get 3 more spots up is in every way a functional salary dump. I dont see how to frame it any other way.

Im talking about value. You are saying spurs are getting their guy and that’s fine, but from a value perspective since you also have pick 8 and the players available there, that gap in 5 v 8 even if you rate Castle a tier higher than the others is still a salary dump.

That's only because you have this crazy belief that Keldon could land you the #5 pick on his own. I don't think it's crazy to move a near replacement level player to jump up to a higher tier pick.

[DPG21920]

That's only because you have this crazy belief that Keldon could land you the #5 pick on his own. I don't think it's crazy to move a near replacement level player to jump up to a higher tier pick.

Nah. You can think that Castle is tier 1 in this class and everyone pick 6 and later is tier 3 and it still be a terrible value trade objectively. Again though, am I saying it would be the end of the world? Nope.

SA can survive a bad value trade, but that doesnt make it not a bad value. And the pressure would certainly be on to make that pick truly be a legit hit vs just ok. Otherwise you just smoked a legit young nba rotational player for absolutely nothing.

It sounds insane to me to say Castle, with his flaws and how hes big picture viewed as worth a legit nba player AND another lottery pick.

[NASpurs]

Me: "People on SpursTalk are idiots who hate their own players."

You: "AMOOHONMGNGNGNALNWHARMGGLRLGLGLGMMBMBME"

Yeah you got me with your smooth brain comment.

[rankingtear]

Dumbasses hijacking the Dillingham thread. Dilly getting leapfrogged by Carter and Bub on Yahoo latest Mock. Due to great workouts.

[AFBlue]

Dumbasses hijacking the Dillingham thread. Dilly getting leapfrogged by Carter and Bub on Yahoo latest Mock. Due to great workouts.

Not surprising. I wonder if they looked at the Top 10 and said if SA isn't happening then mid-first teams are the better long-term landing spots. Still a little crazy that the best on-ball offensive creator / playmaker is pushing out of the lottery in mocks, but the defense and size are legitimate limiters to reach whatever upside he might have. Still could be a future sixth man award winner. I'm probably more torn on him than any other dude in this draft.

[spurraider21]

I’ll give you that his shooting is up and down, but his career mark is ~36%. He’s shot 40% for a season, so to say he can’t shoot is just hating. He’s also averaged 2.9 and 2.8 assists the last two years as someone who’s not handling the ball all that much. If you like advanced stats, his assist % the last two years has been 13.7 and 14.2. His asst/to ratio last year was 2.
i didnt say he cant shoot, i said he doesnt shoot well

his career% is a hair under 36% and the only full season he actually shot above that number is the one fluke 40% season (im not including his rookie season with 22 total 3pt attempts). not incluidng said rookie season, he's shot 33%, 40%, 33% and 35%. it's who he is. he's not a plus shooter, nor does he have a particularly quick/clean release

im not saying he's a worthless player, i wouldnt dump him just to move up from 8 to 5 in this draft, but i recognize that his value is kind of limited because the main thing he does well is barrel to the rim.

[Mr. Body]

Rumors that he's really sliding and will go out of the top 10.

That's surprising if the case, but maybe not so much. Maybe suggests there are some questionable things about personality, agency, or otherwise.

[baseline bum]

Dumbasses hijacking the Dillingham thread. Dilly getting leapfrogged by Carter and Bub on Yahoo latest Mock. Due to great workouts.

Wouldn't surprise me if all the mocks are way off on this draft and I expect teams are going to have drastically different evaluations and orderings of talent. Could make trades really tricky this year.

[DPG21920]

Mocks seem a little pointless in this draft. But him sliding makes sense in the context of not just size but in a flat draft if you aren’t working out etc then you run risk of being passed up

[SpursFan86]

Maybe he’s faking the ankle injury because he wants to come to SA and ensure he’s available at #8 tbh

[Mr. Body]

Maybe he’s faking the ankle injury because he wants to come to SA and ensure he’s available at #8 tbh

That would be genius... if they actually wanted him.

[Chinook]

Best part about that video was showing an early-season Texas A&M ranked 7 :lmao and then unranked in a later clip. Why are the Aggies so profoundly overranked in bball and football every fuckin year in pre/early season rankings?

Splits... They were the 7 seed in the conference tournament, not 7th in the nation. C'mon man.

[DPG21920]

Maybe he’s faking the ankle injury because he wants to come to SA and ensure he’s available at #8 tbh

It’s possible but you better have a promise from SA if you are doing that lol

[TD 21]

Prime example of ST meming. Some folks haven't realized that having flaws is not the same thing as being bad. That line of thinking is how Spurs Pau was talked about as a liability despite being one of the better defensive centers in the NBA and how Tre Jones can be one of the best defenders on the team while having folks obsessing over putting in a bigger PG for defensive purposes. Keldon is certainly flawed, and unless some things change, it's likely the team can't afford to play him big minutes when they start trying to contend. However, that time isn't now. The team's focus should be on converting the assets and flexibility they have into a deep roster that can sustain the loss of talent that comes with a big trade. They only have a handful of legit NBA rotation players. They shouldn't burn one of the few they have in a goal of maybe improving another position.

I've said before that I believe adding a running mate off the bench for Johnson would dramatically improve the second unit. Maybe that's drafting Dillingham. Maybe that's signing Monk. Maybe that's trading for Clarkson. There are a lot of paths to go. Ideally, the Spurs would be 8-10 deep with legit players/strong prospects. As far as who beats whom and where everyone should slot, let their play determine that instead of preemptively getting rid of every player who's ever wrong you.

Nah, some are just unbiased enough to take off the rose colored glasses and contextualize his counting stats.

If fans can do so within' minutes with publicly available information, then surely people who get paid to do this for a living wouldn't be fooled by trivial things like "he's averaged 15-20 ppg" (so has Oubre Jr. and it got him a minimum contract last season).

The reality is, he's a player without a defined role. He's not a creator or a 3 and D type and he's now a young veteran, so he's a tricky fit.

The Spurs shouldn't and wouldn't purely salary dump him, but jettisoning his salary in a trade for a starter would have ancillary value all the same.

[Splits]

Splits... They were the 7 seed in the conference tournament, not 7th in the nation. C'mon man.

Ok, you're right. Pre-season last year they were ranked 15. Same question applies, Faggies are always ranked high in pre/early season basketball and football, yet consistently fail to do anything significant.

https://i.ibb.co/0cYzZW9/image.png

[spurraider21]

Rumors that he's really sliding and will go out of the top 10.

That's surprising if the case, but maybe not so much. Maybe suggests there are some questionable things about personality, agency, or otherwise.
can somebody explain to me why klutch is supposedly evil

[Mr. Body]

can somebody explain to me why klutch is supposedly evil

Are you serious?

[spurraider21]

Are you serious?
very much so

we had dejounte who was with klutch. murray didnt complain while here. he signed a good contract with us. mutually agreed to part ways w/ the spurs (who also wanted to rebuild and apparently asked him if he wanted to stick around for that). he didnt force his way out or complain or anything. went to atlanta, and after 1 season he signed an extension with them when he could have waited until free agency and extracted more money, but decided to do right by his new team.

what other experience do the spurs have with klutch? when marcus morris was a dipshit, klutch dropped him as a result of it since they didnt support what he did

is it really just because anthony davis went to LA?

[Mr. Body]

very much so

we had dejounte who was with klutch. murray didnt complain while here. he signed a good contract with us. mutually agreed to part ways w/ the spurs (who also wanted to rebuild and apparently asked him if he wanted to stick around for that). he didnt force his way out or complain or anything. went to atlanta, and after 1 season he signed an extension with them when he could have waited until free agency and extracted more money, but decided to do right by his new team.

what other experience do the spurs have with klutch? when marcus morris was a dipshit, klutch dropped him as a result of it since they didnt support what he did

is it really just because anthony davis went to LA?

Why do you think the problem is exclusively with the Spurs?

[spurraider21]

Why do you think the problem is exclusively with the Spurs?
to be frank i dont even know what the problem is

is it literally just people mad that anthony davis wound up in LA?

[Mugen]

Klutch doesn't do anything that other agents haven't done since the 90s tbh

They're in the spotlight more because of LeBron obviously but even the shit they pull in LA is only because fucking dumbass Jeanie and the Lakers org lets them....and in their defense, they literally got a ring out of it :lol

If you're going to blackball them then good luck on trying to build a successful team going forward...

[Mr. Body]

Klutch doesn't do anything that other agents haven't done since the 90s tbh

They're in the spotlight more because of LeBron obviously but even the shit they pull in LA is only because fucking dumbass Jeanie and the Lakers org lets them....and in their defense, they literally got a ring out of it :lol

If you're going to blackball them then good luck on trying to build a successful team going forward...

Lol, yeah, that's why they're a significant object of problematic conversation and concern, because they're the same as any other agency. :lol

[Mugen]

Lol, yeah, that's why they're a significant object of problematic conversation and concern, because they're the same as any other agency. :lol

What problematic conversation/concern? The only thing off the top of my head was the Nerlens Noel saga and that wasn't Spurs related. They did us a solid with the Dejounte deal and dropped Morris right after that BS :lol

They handle a lot of high profile NBA players including the biggest attention whore in the league so they're definitely in the news more. But they pull the same shit that every other agent/agency would do if they had the same leverage.

Again, blackball them if you want. But they're a legit power broker in the league whether you like it or not so doing so would put your org in a precarious position tbh.

[spurraider21]

Lol, yeah, that's why they're a significant object of problematic conversation and concern, because they're the same as any other agency. :lol
let me know when you're ready to actually elaborate on this

[scottspurs]

Dillingham will work out for the spurs on Wednesday according to the latest mock draft by ESPN. They also have him mocked to the spurs interestingly enough

[Mr. Body]

let me know when you're ready to actually elaborate on this

The subject of Klutch and explaining the problems to someone who really ought to know better and find information very easily doesn't really interest me. Take that as invitation to figure it out on your own.

[ChumpDumper]

https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExYTc4czYxNXY1a3FrZXgyczdlYXVvdTV yMWdtYmo4dHUxMWJhYzV6dyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/S5bhjdodaDGqjXkYA6/giphy.gif.

[Mr. Body]

What a bunch of little children.

[SpursFan86]

Said half-jokingly in another thread that Dillingham was faking the ankle injury to hide from other teams so the Spurs could get him. Still a total conspiracy theory but funny to hear that he’s now going to be working out for SA a week before the draft. Ankle healed just in time :spin

[rascal]

Dillingham is losing interest on Spurstalk.

[spurraider21]

The subject of Klutch and explaining the problems to someone who really ought to know better and find information very easily doesn't really interest me. Take that as invitation to figure it out on your own.
your inability to answer the question is duly noted

i think its just "lebron bad"

[BatManu20]

Would still like Dilly at 8 FWIW. Don’t see it happening due to his size issues, but I’d be fine with it tbh. If you wanted Darius Garland, Dilly’s the closest thing you’re going to get to him in this draft. Very similar player to Brandon Jennings as well.

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[SpursFan86]

Would still like Dilly at 8 FWIW. Don’t see it happening due to his size issues, but I’d be fine with it tbh. If you wanted Darius Garland, Dilly’s the closest thing you’re going to get to him in this draft. Very similar player to Brandon Jennings as well.

1803464291430883562

Does this guy actually have any legitimate sources or credibility? I see his tweets but it always seems like parrots others’ initial reports and/or is just purely speculating. Just curious if he’s ever actually proven himself as any sort of actual insider.

[Mr. Body]

your inability to answer the question is duly noted

i think its just "lebron bad"

Nah. Used to be, agencies did the best for their individual players, but let teams build teams. Sure, they might steer players in certain directions, they might have a heavy hand in getting more money.

Klutch is a different animal. They are trying to bypass teams and fanbases in order to create things their own way, forcing teams to accept their own players and leveraging unrelated deals in order to force other deals. Yes, this has largely been in service of LeBron, but really not. It's incredibly distorting what they do. Instead of acting as go-betweens in the player and team environment, they are increasingly trying to dictate what teams do for their own - Klutch's - benefit.

I suspect you and everyone else on this board knows this, but either pretends to be stupid, or thinks this is actually a good thing, in which case you're amoral sociopaths. The business of pro sports was bad enough. Klutch is like a parasite that's sucking blood out for its own benefit, not anything remotely for the benefit of the sport or fandom.

[R. DeMurre]

I suspect you and everyone else on this board knows this, but either pretends to be stupid, or thinks this is actually a good thing, in which case you're amoral sociopaths.


:lol

[BatManu20]

Wonder if Dilly is even fully healthy or if he rushed back cause he saw the Spurs losing interest. Wish we had more insight to these workouts tbh.

[Borosai]

The Spurs have won championships with small guards who weren't good defenders. As long as the effort is there, it can work.

Dillingham is instant offense. Whether he's the starting PG or plays the 6th man role, he can score points. I'd love to see him play with Wemby, so I'd take him with #8 (Castle at #4).

[lefty20]

There's no deal made that it's guaranteed that if the Lakers draft Bronny at 55, he (LeBron) will resign. If that was the case, I would force them to take him at 17.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1djph7u/givony_rich_paul_theres_no_deal_made_that_its/


Dat Klutch influence, tbh.

[spurraider21]

superstar with player option has leverage

more at 11

[ChumpDumper]

Nah. Used to be, agencies did the best for their individual players, but let teams build teams. Sure, they might steer players in certain directions, they might have a heavy hand in getting more money.

Klutch is a different animal. They are trying to bypass teams and fanbases in order to create things their own way, forcing teams to accept their own players and leveraging unrelated deals in order to force other deals. Yes, this has largely been in service of LeBron, but really not. It's incredibly distorting what they do. Instead of acting as go-betweens in the player and team environment, they are increasingly trying to dictate what teams do for their own - Klutch's - benefit.

I suspect you and everyone else on this board knows this, but either pretends to be stupid, or thinks this is actually a good thing, in which case you're amoral sociopaths. The business of pro sports was bad enough. Klutch is like a parasite that's sucking blood out for its own benefit, not anything remotely for the benefit of the sport or fandom.

:lol was that so hard to actually type?

[scott]

Moving up 3 spots is salary dumping. Trading Keldon + pick 8 to go to 5 is salary dumping.

My apologies if someone already responded, but I don't view this as salary dumping at all. Obviously 5 is worth more than 8, so this is just placing Keldon's value at the delta between those two picks. By my (admittedly flawed) trade chart here: https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303848&p=11076426#post11076426, this would put Keldon's value at a mid SRP. I'd say that he has more value than that...

My personal opinion is that his value is probably a FRP from a playoff-bound team like the Thad Young and Derrick White trades a few years ago. The Raptors pick was lotto protected and the Celtics pick I think was technically unprotected but it was destined for the 20s. Both those deals also included other stuff of course (the TOR deal included them dumping Dragic, for one, and we gave up a high SRP so it was just just a trade down for them). Of course we also got some other assets in the DWhite deal... anyway, long story short... I think in the open market we could probably get a late FRP from a team destined for the playoffs... so while I think getting Keldon from just moving from 5 to 8 (especially in this draft) is an underpay for the team getting him... I wouldn't call it a dump by any means, the Spurs would still get getting positive value.

[BatManu20]

The Spurs have won championships with small guards who weren't good defenders. As long as the effort is there, it can work.

Dillingham is instant offense. Whether he's the starting PG or plays the 6th man role, he can score points. I'd love to see him play with Wemby, so I'd take him with #8 (Castle at #4).

This was my orignal dream scenario. Feel like the Spurs are more likely to take Carter or Topic at 8 than Dilly now though so I'm not holding my breath.

[scott]

What a bunch of little children.

Classic Mr. Body temper tantrum.

[BatManu20]

1805228243168972843

[SpurSpike]

Wemby did better and the Spurs were a better team with 6'1" Trey Jones on the court...

I think people get too caught up in size and forget to look at players that can really ball or play their position well. Dillingham is small but if he can be our baby Ja Morant ill take him over anyone in this draft. This team desperately needs someone who is shifty, can handle the ball, create for others and score with creativity which is exactly what Dillingham brings to the table.

[The Truth #6]

If nothing else, Dillingham looks like an asset to take at 8. He should put up offensive numbers and could have some amount of trade value, maybe like Collin Sexton if I had to guess. And we do need his offensive skill set. Anyway. Just another angle to consider.

[BatManu20]

I'm still high on Dilly despite his recent slide down big boards. My original dream draft was Castle + Dillingham at 4 and 8 -- Would still love it tbh. He'd pair great with Wemby imo and would give us a legitimate scorer in the back court. Still think Brandon Jennings and Kemba Walker are both good comparisons. Skinnier Darius Garland as well. Just don't see it happening with the Spurs reportedly coveting positional size and defense around Wemby unfortunately.

Something tells me the Spurs might already have their eyes set on Nolan Traore in next year's draft as well tbh.

[LeBowen]

While it's true we don't need or want heliocentric point guard who would be on the ball most of the time, we desperately need someone who can collapse defenses.
Triple threat scorer would be a cheat code in PNR with Wemby. How do you stop that?

We know Dillingham's defense is tragic.
But from what I've seen, he's not a ballhog who doesn't move off the ball on offense.
If he can be a traditional triple threat iso scorer while also being someone you constantly need to chase off the ball, then he's worth the gamble.
I just don't see anyone else at #8 who's got such potential.

Yeah, he can also bust, but even if he doesn't live up to the expectations, he can be a great scorer off the bench.
All these theoretical forwards have no NBA ready skills and are out of the league before their rookie contract is over if they don't put it together.

If we get Castle/Risacher with #4, I'm team Dillingham for #8. Worth the risk.

[Mr. Body]

I'm still high on Dilly despite his recent slide down big boards. My original dream draft was Castle + Dillingham at 4 and 8 -- Would still love it tbh. He'd pair great with Wemby imo and would give us a legitimate scorer in the back court. Still think Brandon Jennings and Kemba Walker are both good comparisons. Skinnier Darius Garland as well. Just don't see it happening with the Spurs reportedly coveting positional size and defense around Wemby unfortunately.

Something tells me the Spurs might already have their eyes set on Nolan Traore in next year's draft as well tbh.

I'm going back to Castle-Dillingham, although I don't think it happens. It's long been top of my list.

So... at worst Dillingham is a bench scorer, but he's alright with that. Even this latest interview bit says he's okay with that, and it's what he did at Kentucky. I'm alright with that - it's something we don't have, a change of pace outright scorer who can transform a second unit.

His defense, as I've said many times, is less of a problem than many say. His team defense is my real worry. His man defense I think can be improved. To me, Collier, Topic, and especially Salaun are just as bad of defenders or even worse.

His usage is around 30% which is a problem for the starting unit, but... if he hits, then his gravity will help Wembanyama and especially vice versa. He's an incredible shooter in nearly every aspect, great ballhandler, and very skittery. A team won't want to keep track of him while having to handle the Alien.

And he's a good playmaker. He had about a 30% assist rate - meaning 3/10 assists that happened with him on the court came from him.

Worse, he's a guy you roll in with second units and a guy where, when we're down to Denver by 12 in the third, send him out to see if he can get that deficit back. Best, Maxey-Embiid works at Philly, right?

Ultimately, though, I think the Spurs go with structure and length and would take a less dynamic player like Cody.

[Spurs Homer]

I still see the two top players as...

Dillingham and Buzelis

and then

Sheppard

Dilly
Vassell
Buzelis
Sochan
Wemby

[Pauleta14]

Wemby did better and the Spurs were a better team with 6'1" Trey Jones on the court...

I think people get too caught up in size and forget to look at players that can really ball or play their position well. Dillingham is small but if he can be our baby Ja Morant ill take him over anyone in this draft. This team desperately needs someone who is shifty, can handle the ball, create for others and score with creativity which is exactly what Dillingham brings to the table.

"better" is relative. Doesn't mean it was "good"

Yes it was "better" but mostly bc the other option was awfull.

It was still often pathetic with Tre on the floor. He's the NBA PG with the lowest assist below the FT line for ex. But he's got a high IQ and limited mistakes.

[R. DeMurre]

I just don't see it happening, and that has nothing to do with my own concerns about Dilly's size. The Spurs have a pretty solid track record with drafting oversized guards in Dejounte, Derrick, Primo, Wesley, & Branham, and then trying to shoehorn Sochan into the PG position. The only small guard they've chosen in recent history has been Tre, and I think that's only because he fell to them in the 2nd round-- and even when he was clearly their best option at PG, they tried everything they could to find an alternative answer to him as a starter. I just don't see Wright & RC changing that philosophy to take a guy who's the smallest of the small in a draft year considered one of the weakest in recent history, using a valuable lottery pick.

[DPG21920]

If nothing else, Dillingham looks like an asset to take at 8. He should put up offensive numbers and could have some amount of trade value, maybe like Collin Sexton if I had to guess. And we do need his offensive skill set. Anyway. Just another angle to consider.

I’d rather just try to trade for Sexton and use 8 on someone else tbh…

[Duncan2177]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeuQiSv6PwU&t=1730s

[spurraider21]

I have him #3 on my board just behind Sheppard. should be the slam dunk pick at 8

[Duncan2177]

I have him #3 on my board just behind Sheppard. should be the slam dunk pick at 8

I got Cody or Dilli at 8.

[spurraider21]

I got Cody or Dilli at 8.
the only scenario where i wouldnt taky Dilly at 8 is one where we somehow got Sheppard at 4

[scott]

I still see the two top players as...

Dillingham and Buzelis

and then

Sheppard

Dilly
Vassell
Buzelis
Sochan
Wemby


I'd be all for Buz at 4 and Dilly and 8. A+ draft for me.

[Spurs Homer]

I'd be all for Buz at 4 and Dilly and 8. A+ draft for me.

yes and that lineup i posted would be a versatile fast breaking fun starting 5!

[Mr. Body]

Messing around with this idea... along with the Spurs truly wanting Dillingham or Carter. The post-Spurs 8 picks are:

Memphis
Utah
Chicago
OKC
Sacramento
Portland
Miami
Philly
Lakers
Magic

If Dillingham is really sliding, where does he stop? If Carter doesn't go top 8, where does he stop? The Spurs may be able to trade down, although I don't know who these teams want. I know some are not in the market for a small playmaking shooter.

[scottspurs]

I'd be all for Buz at 4 and Dilly and 8. A+ draft for me.
I swear we are not the same person but I agree. Both are top 5 for me lol

[LeBowen]

Messing around with this idea... along with the Spurs truly wanting Dillingham or Carter. The post-Spurs 8 picks are:

Memphis
Utah
Chicago
OKC
Sacramento
Portland
Miami
Philly
Lakers
Magic

If Dillingham is really sliding, where does he stop? If Carter doesn't go top 8, where does he stop? The Spurs may be able to trade down, although I don't know who these teams want. I know some are not in the market for a small playmaking shooter.

Good point.
Memphis, OKC, Kings, Blazers, Sixers definitely don't need him.
Utah has similar players, I guess they'd prefer Topic.
Chicago is impossible to predict, but if they actually see Giddey as their future PG, I don't think they go for Dillingham.
Miami would be an interesting situation. Is he the guy for famous Heat Culture?
Lakers probably get a big or trade the pick.
His fit with the Magic is as good as it gets. Great defensive team, three level scorer desperately needed.

[Mr. Body]

Good point.
Memphis, OKC, Kings, Blazers, Sixers definitely don't need him.
Utah has similar players, I guess they'd prefer Topic.
Chicago is impossible to predict, but if they actually see Giddey as their future PG, I don't think they go for Dillingham.
Miami would be an interesting situation. Is he the guy for famous Heat Culture?
Lakers probably get a big or trade the pick.
His fit with the Magic is as good as it gets. Great defensive team, three level scorer desperately needed.

That's probably about right. Chicago is a sneaky pick (Carter maybe) but they have lots of guards. Opposite question is who any of these teams actually wants to trade up for.

There's also Jared McCain floating around. If there's an audience to trade down, the Spurs can get in place to pick one of those three smaller guards if they wanted. It's not really their M.O. Generally they just take the guy.

[scott]

Messing around with this idea... along with the Spurs truly wanting Dillingham or Carter. The post-Spurs 8 picks are:

Memphis
Utah
Chicago
OKC
Sacramento
Portland
Miami
Philly
Lakers
Magic

If Dillingham is really sliding, where does he stop? If Carter doesn't go top 8, where does he stop? The Spurs may be able to trade down, although I don't know who these teams want. I know some are not in the market for a small playmaking shooter.

For Carter:

Memphis seems like an outside possibility
Chicago definitely in play
OKC another outside possibility
Miami in play
Philly in play and I'd be skeptical he falls below here

For Dilly:

Utah in play
Chicago in play
Miami in play
Philly in play
Lakers I can see some potential there
Floor is lower (though I don't think it should be, he's still in my top tier) but I could see a slide to the 20s for Dilly

[Ariel]

Good point.
Memphis, OKC, Kings, Blazers, Sixers definitely don't need him.
Utah has similar players, I guess they'd prefer Topic.
Chicago is impossible to predict, but if they actually see Giddey as their future PG, I don't think they go for Dillingham.
Miami would be an interesting situation. Is he the guy for famous Heat Culture?
Lakers probably get a big or trade the pick.
His fit with the Magic is as good as it gets. Great defensive team, three level scorer desperately needed.
Yeah, I agree. I think he goes to Florida, either to Miami at 15 (they are opportunistic) or Orlando at 18 at the latest. Orlando seems like an especially good fit.

[LeBowen]

Yeah, I agree. I think he goes to Florida, either to Miami at 15 (they are opportunistic) or Orlando at 18 at the latest. Orlando seems like an especially good fit.

15th or 18th would be beyond ridiculous.
Just look at this draft.
He's literally the only player who doesn't need to make massive improvements to his offensive game.
Amazing handles, shoots from everywhere, good passer, good off-ball movement and shooting, has a good layup package.

Everyone else is fundamentally flawed and yet we're debating if Dillingham even gets picked in the lottery.
Yeah, he's undersized, but he's not 5'9, ffs.

[Mr. Body]

15th or 18th would be beyond ridiculous.
Just look at this draft.
He's literally the only player who doesn't need to make massive improvements to his offensive game.
Amazing handles, shoots from everywhere, good passer, good off-ball movement and shooting, has a good layup package.

Everyone else is fundamentally flawed and yet we're debating if Dillingham even gets picked in the lottery.
Yeah, he's undersized, but he's not 5'9, ffs.

For serious, lol. It's hard not to believe Dillingham is going to vastly overplay Risacher, Williams, Buzelis, etc. It's astounding how narratives change. Last summer it was all about Tyler Herro and Maxey and Booker and Kentucky guards almost always overplay their draft positions. Suddenly everyone's flocked to the other side of the gym and believe 1) Dillingham is the eighth dwarf and 2) he doesn't even cross the midline to play defense.

[Ariel]

15th or 18th would be beyond ridiculous.
Just look at this draft.
He's literally the only player who doesn't need to make massive improvements to his offensive game.
Amazing handles, shoots from everywhere, good passer, good off-ball movement and shooting, has a good layup package.

Everyone else is fundamentally flawed and yet we're debating if Dillingham even gets picked in the lottery.
Yeah, he's undersized, but he's not 5'9, ffs.
Hey, you're barking up the wrong tree. I've had him as my no. 1 option at PG for like 4+ months. I'm just stating what I believe would happen, not what I'd do.

[BatManu20]

15th or 18th would be beyond ridiculous.
Just look at this draft.
He's literally the only player who doesn't need to make massive improvements to his offensive game.
Amazing handles, shoots from everywhere, good passer, good off-ball movement and shooting, has a good layup package.

Everyone else is fundamentally flawed and yet we're debating if Dillingham even gets picked in the lottery.
Yeah, he's undersized, but he's not 5'9, ffs.

Agreed. I still want Dilly at 8 pretty badly, just don't think PATFO feel the same way. History tells us they like big, defensive-minded PG's. They haven't drafted a short, offensive-minded PG in the First Round since Tony tbh. Even Beno Udrih was 6'3 barefoot.

[spurraider21]

Agreed. I still want Dilly at 8 pretty badly, just don't think PATFO feel the same way. History tells us they like big, defensive-minded PG's. They haven't drafted a short, offensive-minded PG in the First Round since Tony tbh. Even Beno Udrih was 6'3 barefoot.
i feel the same way. i think 8 is going to be Salaun or Carter but holding out hope for Dilly

[BatManu20]

i feel the same way. i think 8 is going to be Salaun or Carter but holding out hope for Dilly

Carter at 8 I'd be okay with. Salaun over either one those guys would suck chunks tbh. Dilly from day one would bring shooting and shot creation to a team that desperately needs it. He'd also fill our biggest need. At worst, he'd be a Lou Will type 6th Man off the bench that would inject instant offense into the 2nd unit. At best, he's Darius Garland 2.0 and an All-Star Reserve level scoring PG imo.

[scott]

Some good thoughts on Dilly's potential draft floor - but what about his ceiling? Is #8 it?

[spurraider21]

i agree that a reasonable ceiling projection for dillingham is something like Garland. i've mentioned Kemba before (kemba was stronger than either) as well. basically low tier/replacement all star.

i think Lou Williams is a very ambitious floor. williams was 3x 6MOTY. i think bones hyland is his floor

[Mr. Body]

Bones Hyland sounds about right. The difference, though, is Hyland was never a playmaker. Per 36, Dillingham averaged nearly three times as many assists. The book on Bones, other than a bad attitude, has been that he's just a chucker, not a point.

[Ariel]

i think Lou Williams is a very ambitious floor. williams was 3x 6MOTY. i think bones hyland is his floor

Bones Hyland sounds about right. The difference, though, is Hyland was never a playmaker. Per 36, Dillingham averaged nearly three times as many assists. The book on Bones, other than a bad attitude, has been that he's just a chucker, not a point.
I think even his floor is higher than Bones Hyland, in terms of style it could be, but looks to me like a much more explosive scorer and his playmaking is more advanced. Also, Bones problem has a lot to do with his head. Dillingham isn't guaranteed to be better than Lou Williams (I think he will be) but I´d be shocked if he isn't a much better player than Bones Hyland.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1805677054828200204

[SpursFan86]

https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1805677054828200204

The dream is still alive boys

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1805677054828200204

"Cut short my vacation, Dilly is in San Antonio. Hold him there on my command."

[jesterbobman]

I don't love Dilly as much as some others here, but I think he's maybe the best bet to be an A+ advantage creator off the bounce in the draft, and he's got more on ball juice than Sheppard.

I'm not sure I'd pair them together as an NBA team, but if we don't draft Sheppard at 4 I think Dilly is at the top of my board for #8. ( I say this fully going against my stats based draft evaluation normally, reverting to vibes and the fact that Dilly has JUICE).

[spurraider21]

https://blenderartists.org/uploads/default/original/3X/8/8/88af795b8e94ffd10ef22cb7407937f186ffa2c6.jpg

[scott]

Buz + Dilly, make it happen. This result will be the perfect blend of pleasing and triggering to this message board to keep things juicy all offseason.

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1805693277200597264

[Mr. Body]

https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1805693277200597264

That's funny, because I see Nash and Irving in his game. The one he's least like is Parker.

But it does seem like someone talked to him.

[Mr. Body]

The one thing Pop would freaking love about Dillingham, in the mold of Parker, is that Dillingham will be able to disrupt and stir up defenses the way Parker did. TP's job was to probe, attack, move through the lane, constantly make individual defenders decide what they wanted to do. Dillingham doesn't have the same speed and is absolute shit inside due to strength, but he should be able to be trained to do similar things, keep defenses constantly having to react.

[BatManu20]

It's too bad the CHI pick we own wasn't this years at 11th Overall tbh. Spurfan may have had real shot at getting Dilly. Simply don't see it happening anymore though. If they're going the Guard route at 8, think Carter is definitely their guy (assuming he's there).

[John B]

Castle and Dillingham, Ginobili and Parker. It’s a stretch but hey…

[Seventyniner]

https://twitter.com/mikefinger/status/1805693277200597264

If Dilly really wants to be a Spur he needs to up his name dropping game.

"I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Avery Johnson."
"I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....James Silas."
"I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Johnny Moore."

[spurraider21]

If Dilly really wants to be a Spur he needs to up his name dropping game.

"I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Avery Johnson."
"I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....James Silas."
"I model my game after Steve Nash, Kyrie Irving and....Johnny Moore."
if he wanted to get pops attention he should have said Patty Mills

[BatManu20]

Dilly practically begging to be a Spur tbh :lol

1805677054828200204

[LeBowen]

The one thing Pop would freaking love about Dillingham, in the mold of Parker, is that Dillingham will be able to disrupt and stir up defenses the way Parker did. TP's job was to probe, attack, move through the lane, constantly make individual defenders decide what they wanted to do. Dillingham doesn't have the same speed and is absolute shit inside due to strength, but he should be able to be trained to do similar things, keep defenses constantly having to react.

Spot on.
Someone mentioned TJ McConnell's performance against the Celtics.
He has that Nash dribble where he just goes under the basket with the ball and sucks the defense in. Lost art in today's league, tbh.

While he doesn't have Tony's speed or obviously inside finishing, he looks like he could be an elite shooter off the dribble and that's his biggest advantage.
How do you defend Wemby PNR if you have to go over the screen because the ballhandler is an elite shooter off the dribble?
Yeah, we love and prefer motion offense, everyone shares the ball, but sometimes the simplest plays are the most effective.
And it's not like we would've won anything without Manu/Tony creating great looks out of nothing in the clutch.

We desperately need spacing and self-creation, our team was so hard to watch in most games last season.

[CGD]

https://blenderartists.org/uploads/default/original/3X/8/8/88af795b8e94ffd10ef22cb7407937f186ffa2c6.jpg

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-an-image-of-a-cat-being-sprayed-with-a-water-bottle-78838322.html

[Mr. Body]

Spot on.
Someone mentioned TJ McConnell's performance against the Celtics.
He has that Nash dribble where he just goes under the basket with the ball and sucks the defense in. Lost art in today's league, tbh.

While he doesn't have Tony's speed or obviously inside finishing, he looks like he could be an elite shooter off the dribble and that's his biggest advantage.
How do you defend Wemby PNR if you have to go over the screen because the ballhandler is an elite shooter off the dribble?
Yeah, we love and prefer motion offense, everyone shares the ball, but sometimes the simplest plays are the most effective.
And it's not like we would've won anything without Manu/Tony creating great looks out of nothing in the clutch.

We desperately need spacing and self-creation, our team was so hard to watch in most games last season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GuAXfWCq8w&t=508s

I've loved his self-creation and playmaking all season, and think he's underrated on the latter. Derek Parker does good videos. Here, starting at 5:00 is a good basket of Dillingham passes. Skips, reads on picks, lobs, and what we're talking about here, how he can see development when he attacks the rim. Plus he should be able to pick up both Parker's ability to circulate through the lane as well as the floater. Both would serve him well. Parker had blinding speed. Dillingham has exceptional quickness and fantastic footwork that keeps defenders off-balance and not knowing what he's going to do.

[LeBowen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GuAXfWCq8w&t=508s

I've loved his self-creation and playmaking all season, and think he's underrated on the latter. Derek Parker does good videos. Here, starting at 5:00 is a good basket of Dillingham passes. Skips, reads on picks, lobs, and what we're talking about here, how he can see development when he attacks the rim. Plus he should be able to pick up both Parker's ability to circulate through the lane as well as the floater. Both would serve him well. Parker had blinding speed. Dillingham has exceptional quickness and fantastic footwork that keeps defenders off-balance and not knowing what he's going to do.

I've actually seen that video. Any doubter should check it out.
Idk how can people who don't like Dillingham be high on Sheppard.

Yeah, Sheppard is just your average negative defender, while Dillingham is a tier worse, but Dillingham is better at everything on offense.
Like comparing Klay with let's say Dame and saying Klay is a bigger threat from deep. Yeah, but just off the catch.

Another thing I like about Dillingham is his off the ball movement. Not elite, but usually these Lou Will type 6 mans off the bench don't really do much off the ball. He moves a lot and knows how to get himself in good spots.

Meanwhile if we get Sheppard, we'd have to question his self-creating and ability to be the primary ballhandler.
Like what are we supposed to do with a 6'2 guard who can't be an actual point guard?

[R. DeMurre]

Yeah, Sheppard is just your average negative defender, while Dillingham is a tier worse, but Dillingham is better at everything on offense.



I think you're leaving a lot of comparisons out to be able to so broadly state that Sheppard is only slightly better on defense and Dillingham is better at everything on offense. Sheppard has a significantly higher 2pt%, 3pt%, FT%, TS%, with more steals (by a huge margin), more blocks and rebounds, and fewer TOs and fouls. That's a lot of advantages. In addition, playing for the same team, Sheppard had a higher ORtg, a lower DRtg, and nearly double the BPM of Dillingham. I get liking the higher scoring guy and the self creation, but there's no way it's some lopsided slam dunk for Dilly when objectively comparing the two.

[BatManu20]

Stolen from RealGM:


15 out of the top 32 guards in the league last season according to EPM's EW (Estimated wins) statistic are 6-3 or less. This should kill the arguments against Sheppard & Dillingham due to size.

[objective]

if he wanted to get pops attention he should have said Patty Mills

Dillingham - "I'm ready to switch onto Durant 100 times a game, and I don't want any help despite my lack of size!"

:pop: - "We're taking you 4th"

[Raven]

Stolen from RealGM:



... yeah... let's ignore wingspan

[BatManu20]

... yeah... let's ignore wingspan

Definitely shouldn’t be ignored. I have the Spurs passing on Dilly for his size and defensive issues. But it was an interesting observation tbh.

[Spurs Homer]

Dilly was the most talented teammate wemby ever had….for about 60 glorious seconds…

[Borosai]

The only player I was excited to watch play with Wemby...