Devin Carter - 2024 NBA Draft Prospect

[timvp]

https://www.spurstalk.com/devin-carter-spurs-2024-nba-draft/

[Mr. Body]

Should have saved it, but someone posted the schools/leagues that factored into a first round pick's success. It might have been lottery picks. A Kentucky player was more likely to succeed than average. A Syracuse or Kansas player less likely.

The factor that by far raised a prospect's success was if their father played in the NBA.

I suspect this is because they know the ins and outs, what it takes on a daily basis, among other things (likelihood of childhood training).

That said, my enthusiasm for Carter depends on getting Castle, because I think their skillsets overlap well. Timvp makes a good point that Carter alone is awkward, as he's an undersized SG.

[BatManu20]

Like him a lot. Great athlete with good size (6’2) and long arms (6’9 wingspan) who took a huge leap this year from his sophomore year. Great defender and much improved shooter.

Spurs were impressed with his workout, which they typically put a lot of stock in. Projects as a Derrick White type player. Only negative is his age (could be a benefit as he’s ready to play right away). Think he’s definitely in play at 8 depending on who we draft at 4. Would rather have him than Williams tbh.

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[Chinook]

If it were up to me, I don't think Carter would be high on my board at 8. I won't be mad if they pick him, but I would hope the team takes PG more seriously than picking an undersized SF to play there. Would prefer this come in a trade-down scenario if at all.

[Ditty]

Don't think Carter makes it past Memphis at 9.

I agree that is he is much more of an undersized shooting guard.

Tired of seeing guards smoking us on offense though, so would be nice to at least have a forsure really good defensive player than a home run swing with Salaun at 8.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

I'm not buying that shot of his. He shoots from the chest ffs. Now, perhaps he makes the awkward mechanics work in the NBA like Haliburton, but I wouldn't spend a top 8 pick to find that out.

On the other hand he's a relatively safe pick in a sea of horrible, low floor, prospects.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not buying that shot of his. He shoots from the chest ffs. Now, perhaps he makes the awkward mechanics work in the NBA like Haliburton, but I wouldn't spend a top 8 pick to find that out.

On the other hand he's a relatively safe pick in a sea of horrible, low floor, prospects.

Why does it matter how a player shoots if it goes in?

[objective]

Small correction for the article, but Devin Carter did not spend 3 years at Providence, at least according to Sports Reference. It was one year at South Carolina then 2 at Providence.

But anyways like I've posted before, he's like drafting Davion Mitchell in the top 10. By the all star break of his rookie year everyone will think, "Hmmm, maybe we shouldn't have taken him top 10".

[DPG21920]

Ive been talking myself into Castle + Carter (of course I would prefer Reed + Castle) but what are you looking for if not a guy like Carter? Dillingham? I would guess that if Carter is not appealing to you, Dilly has to be.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Why does it matter how a player shoots if it goes in?

Because having a lower and slower release will be more difficult against top level athletes.

I hope that his shot is legit, regardless of whether he's a Spurs pick, but he's giving major Davion Mitchell vibes.

[Uriel]

Devin Carter is a great player and would probably make the all-rookie team by the end of the year. But he’s 22 years old. Think about how good someone like Castle could be 3 years from now.

[Cabrito]

Carter and Blake Wesley are the same height and virtually the same wingspan. They seem redundant if they are both on the team. It is not out of the realm of possibility that Wesley will continue to develop, but Carter would likely take over the backup PG role if drafted.

[John B]

Castle and Carter has a good ring to it. It’s like having Dejounte and White again without the drama. Defensively it would be great. My issue is 8th seems pricey for a smaller Danny Green. But in a weak draft, you take what you can. I would’ve loved to swing hard for either Williams or Salaun and what the promise of what they could be. But with Carter, it’s pretty straightforward. You’ll get a high motor, hard nose defensive player, a little small, but maybe enough to slow down the likes of Ja, Fox, SGA, Kyrie…

Although, Castle, Carter, Vassell, Sochan, Wemby could be a very good defensive lineup imo.

[Vienna]

I can see why many like Carter. I can't see the reason why Spurs should draft him at 8, even less at 4.
he isn't a PG. he is a SG. SG is one of the few spots Spurs are set, from next season on they pay Vassell 30 Million to do so.
so Carter would be a back up for Vassell. you don't use the pick for a BU, don't you.
I can see him become an Avery Bradley type player. (or Kris Dunn, if they try him at PG). that's ok, but not what Spurs should look for at this point.
if they draft an undersized SG, he should be an outstanding shooter at least (Sheppard, McCain) and I fear the numbers of Carter's shooting will go down in the NBA.
would be a great pick in the 20s to replace Wesely. but Spurs don't pick there.

[exstatic]

Devin Carter is a great player and would probably make the all-rookie team by the end of the year. But he’s 22 years old. Think about how good someone like Castle could be 3 years from now.

It’s not an either/or situation. There are a lot of potential drafts where Castle is there at 4 and Carter is there at 8.

[BatManu20]

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[CGD]

Think he’s their guy if ZR falls to 4. Not sure if he’s the guy if they take Castle or Reed at 4. In that case in think they take a wing like Williams.

[Truckules]

I'd be good if Castle and Carter are the picks since that should go a long ways to making the defense better. However, there is a major risk that their shooting doesn't translate. If that happens, the Spurs have made their already bad spacing worse. At some point soon, the team needs to make spacing a priority when acquiring players.

[jjspur]

If Carter looks to be better than what we currently have (which he does) I'm all for drafting him. If yo draft a guard based on their potential, they probably won't be helping us much next year or possibly even the following year. Then we are stuck with Branham (horrible defense) & Wesley (pretty bad offense).

Draft Carter at 8, it will improve our team.

[The Truth #6]

I don't see the Spurs picking him. Too old. Too short. I imagine they would take Cody over him. But I do like Carter and he seems more dynamic than Davion Mitchell.

[Pauleta14]

Carte could be the JDub of this draft

[Uriel]

It’s not an either/or situation. There are a lot of potential drafts where Castle is there at 4 and Carter is there at 8.
True. But my point was that if our goal is to build for the future rather than to win now, we would be better off drafting Castle and a 19-year old wing than Castle and Carter.

[R. DeMurre]

Another thing about the #8 pick is that it could be viewed as an opportunity to draft the best possible future trade piece-- so even if there's not a neat fit, it could be all about accumulating assets that might look good to others. Who knows, maybe the Spurs acquire their next future star in a 2026 trade that features Vassell, Devin Carter and a FRP.

[4lifecowboy]

I'm watching what they do at 4, if they draft Castle there, I see them rolling the dice on Salaun at 8. If Risacher or Buzelis is taken at 4, Carter could be the 8th pick.

[DPG21920]

I still like Carter. Sure, theres risk and all of what OP said is true, but theres something for a turbo charged defender that just sits right with me especially because his shot goes in decently if he gets it off.

[spurraider21]

I still like Carter. Sure, theres risk and all of what OP said is true, but theres something for a turbo charged defender that just sits right with me especially because his shot goes in decently if he gets it off.
as bad as the spurs defense was last year, in the aggregate they were fine as long as wemby was on the floor. its the offense that was bad with or without him... a significant amount of which is attributable to poor outside shooting (in addition to being turnover prone).

if you really wanted to improve the spurs defense, its by improving the bench, namely a better rim protector than Zollins, and replacing Branhan/Keldon... and whatever it is we were doing at backup PF last year (osman?).

i think its so much more important to give the offense a jolt than the defense, which is why i just havent been as enthused by castle/carter as most here are.

as far as carter's shot, im glad he's improved it, but the slow/low release could be problematic in the league

[DPG21920]

as bad as the spurs defense was last year, in the aggregate they were fine as long as wemby was on the floor. its the offense that was bad with or without him... a significant amount of which is attributable to poor outside shooting (in addition to being turnover prone).

if you really wanted to improve the spurs defense, its by improving the bench, namely a better rim protector than Zollins, and replacing Branhan/Keldon... and whatever it is we were doing at backup PF last year (osman?).

i think its so much more important to give the offense a jolt than the defense, which is why i just havent been as enthused by castle/carter as most here are.

as far as carter's shot, im glad he's improved it, but the slow/low release could be problematic in the league

For sure - I get it.

[Dejounte]

4 Salaun
8 Carter

Let’s go.

[DPG21920]

4 Salaun
8 Carter

Let’s go.

That really your preference? I can see it happening just as much as any other scenario I guess.

[Dejounte]

That really your preference? I can see it happening just as much as any other scenario I guess.

Not really. I’d just really like to see underdogs like Salaun break through expectations and surprise people. That would be more fun than anything. Not that I expect it all to happen, but it would be nice to see people humbled with their “expert analysis” just as it would be fun for people to poke at me when I’m wrong.

[spurraider21]

4 Salaun
8 Carter

Let’s go.
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[DPG21920]

Not really. I’d just really like to see underdogs like Salaun break through expectations and surprise people. That would be more fun than anything. Not that I expect it all to happen, but it would be nice to see people humbled with their “expert analysis” just as it would be fun for people to poke at me when I’m wrong.

lol - definitely high potential for a chaos draft

[BatManu20]

Salaun at 4 is a bigger reach than Primo. That’s a hard pass for me.

[Duncan2177]

Salaun at 4 is a bigger reach than Primo. That’s a hard pass for me.
That would be really dumb.

[heyheymymy]

SR21 - that meme game is on point

[DAF86]

I don't get the size concerns with this guy. Everybody is raving about Castle and reports are that Carter totally muerdered him on one-on-one workouts. Even in the UCCON-Providence game Carter was having his way with Castle on both sides of the ball despite the desparity in talent between teams.

Everyone knows the Imperial system sucks ass (lol not using the metric system in 2024) but nobody can tell me with a straight face Carter is the same height as Dillingham, tbh. :lol

Carter is long, strong and athletic enough to be a plus defender in the NBA. Actually, I expect him to be just as good if not better at that end than Castle. He's, by a distance, the much better playmaker on that side of the ball. Add to that that he's also more athletic and can actually shoot the ball, and I much prefer to take Carter at 8, than Castle at 4, tbh.

People that want Castle, are asking to draft him in hopes that he becomes the shooter Carter is today. Food for thought, tbh.

[Mr. Body]

I don't get the size concerns with this guy. Everybody is raving about Castle and reports are that Carter totally muerdered him on one-on-one workouts.

Where the fuck did you hear this. :lol

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True. But my point was that if our goal is to build for the future rather than to win now, we would be better off drafting Castle and a 19-year old wing than Castle and Carter.

This is where Salaun at 8 has value imo. Draft and stash.

[DAF86]

Where the fuck did you hear this. :lol

Have you been reading ST or Twitter?

[Mr. Body]

Have you been reading ST or Twitter?

Where the fuck did you hear it? :lol

[heyheymymy]

Are there reports that Carter bested Castle in the SA workouts 1v1?

My understanding was Carter exceeded expectations and "killed the workout" which may imply he outplayed Castle but not to my knowledge was that ever said directly

[Mr. Body]

Are there reports that Carter bested Castle in the SA workouts 1v1?

My understanding was Carter exceeded expectations and "killed the workout" which may imply he outplayed Castle but not to my knowledge was that ever said directly

It wasn't.

Timvp's report said he had a great workout. It says no one will say anything about Castle.

DAF: "This means Carter killed Castle in workouts."

Regular people: "The Spurs never talk about the players they really want."

Also regular people: These two players already played each other twice in games.

[BatManu20]

I haven’t heard anything regarding Castle and Carter’s workout. Carter’s also 3 years older so I’d expect him to get the best of Castle at least a few times tbh.

[DAF86]

Are there reports that Carter bested Castle in the SA workouts 1v1?

My understanding was Carter exceeded expectations and "killed the workout" which may imply he outplayed Castle but not to my knowledge was that ever said directly

I took it as they worked out against each other, but after trying to find the comments about Carter "murdering" Castle in workouts, as Mr. Body asked, and re-reading some I realized that maybe I got it mixed up and folks were just saying that Carter just did much better than Castle, but didn't actually go one-on-one.

My point still remains, though. Anyone that watches the UCCON-Providence game would tell you that Carter is closer in size to a Stephon Castle than a Rob Dillingham, tbh.

[SOMA Spur]

4 Salaun
8 Carter

Let’s go.

I'm prepping myself for some weird outcomes. Walking out with Carter and Salaun is definitely one of them. I've imagined Carter at 4 and Salaun at 8. This wouldn't shock me. I definitely like better scenarios, but whatever, I'm pretty high on Carter and Salaun's a maniac so I could roll with it. This draft is going to be wild. Can't wait!

[DAF86]

It wasn't.

Timvp's report said he had a great workout. It says no one will say anything about Castle.

DAF: "This means Carter killed Castle in workouts."

Regular people: "The Spurs never talk about the players they really want."

Also regular people: These two players already played each other twice in games.

Does that mean the Spurs don't really want Castle, since he's the most mocked player going to them?

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It wasn't.

Timvp's report said he had a great workout. It says no one will say anything about Castle.

DAF: "This means Carter killed Castle in workouts."

Regular people: "The Spurs never talk about the players they really want."

Also regular people: These two players already played each other twice in games.

Who are these regular people you speak of? I didn't think they existed anymore.

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as bad as the spurs defense was last year, in the aggregate they were fine as long as wemby was on the floor. its the offense that was bad with or without him... a significant amount of which is attributable to poor outside shooting (in addition to being turnover prone).

if you really wanted to improve the spurs defense, its by improving the bench, namely a better rim protector than Zollins, and replacing Branhan/Keldon... and whatever it is we were doing at backup PF last year (osman?).

i think its so much more important to give the offense a jolt than the defense, which is why i just havent been as enthused by castle/carter as most here are.

as far as carter's shot, im glad he's improved it, but the slow/low release could be problematic in the league

I don't think "we're historically awful on defense except when Wemby is on the floor" is a favored recipe for winning LOBs.

[heyheymymy]

I took it as they worked out against each other, but after trying to find the comments about Carter "murdering" Castle in workouts, as Mr. Body (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=397) asked, and reading some I realized that maybe I got it mixed up and folks were just saying that Carter just did much better than Castle, but didn't actually went one-on-one.

My point still remains, though. Anyone that watches the UCCON-Providence game would tell you that Carter is closer in size to a Stephon Castle than a Rob Dillingham, tbh.

all good thanks for clarifying :bobo:

Yeah it's vague semantics really, I see what you mean.

I heard Carter "killed the [SA] workout" but the SA workout was 1v1 against Castle. So if Carter killed it, it must mean he did so by besting Castle at least somewhat, right? Or maybe he just showed good attributes while not necessarily dunking all over Castle at the same time?

[spurraider21]

I don't think "we're historically awful on defense except when Wemby is on the floor" is a favored recipe for winning LOBs.
Then remove historically bad defenders like Branham from the rotation. You don’t need to spend a top 10 pick to improve your bench defenders. And if you wanted to do so, just get Clingan

[jjspur]

You know, if we draft a guard and a forward, we are replacing a guard and a forward, hopefully with someone who's better that what we currently have. Say goodbye to some of our lackluster players. Come on draft. The spurs need some new blood.

[R. DeMurre]

nobody can tell me with a straight face Carter is the same height as Dillingham, tbh. :lol


Is anyone saying this? The draft combine numbers show Carter to be 1.25" taller, with a 5.5" longer wingspan, 3" extra on standing reach, and 29 lbs heavier.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?dir=A&sort=HEIGHT_WO_SHOES

[DAF86]

Is anyone saying this? The draft combine numbers show Carter to be 1.25" taller, with a 5.5" longer wingspan, 3" extra on standing reach, and 29 lbs heavier.

https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?dir=A&sort=HEIGHT_WO_SHOES

Everybody had them (some still do) as 6'3" guards.

Anyways, I was adressing timvp's scouting report talking about Carter as a "smallish" guard. Maybe it is the way he plays but when I see Carter I don't see small at all, hence why I say he's closer to Castle in size than to Dillingham.