Spurs Select Rob Dillingham 8th Overall in the 2024 NBA Draft

[scott]

I’ll also add that punting on the #8 pick seems inconsistent with the “taking it slow” strategy.

As Paco points out above, these wing prospects (like the majority of draft prospects these days) will take time to develop… now, when winning apparently is not the priority, is the time to do that development. Punting would have made sense if we were contenders who didn’t want to have the distraction of developing young players while trying to win (though that is also a questionable thing to be worried about, as OKC is proving that you can walk and chew gum simultaneously)

[Mr. Body]

I’ll also add that punting on the #8 pick seems inconsistent with the “taking it slow” strategy.

As Paco points out above, these wing prospects (like the majority of draft prospects these days) will take time to develop… now, when winning apparently is not the priority, is the time to do that development. Punting would have made sense if we were contenders who didn’t want to have the distraction of developing young players while trying to win (though that is also a questionable thing to be worried about, as OKC is proving that you can walk and chew gum simultaneously)

I mean, that kind of repeats the problem of the nebulous angelic player rather than having to actually pick one. Taking random nebulous angelic player would be great, but those didn't exist in the draft. What we had instead were Buzelis, Cody Williams, etc., and they did not think those players tipped the choice in their direction.

I also think the Spurs had Chris Paul in mind from the start and wanted to use the space to try to absorb his pre-GSW cut salary (obviously they signed him instead after absorbing Harrison Barnes). The team already has too many young players, things will shake out this year. I don't think anyone will lose any sleep in three years that they didn't take one of these wings this year. They'd just have to replace them/draft over them. In my mind Buzelis/Williams/etc. is really the same player they got with Branham and Wesley in the 20s in a better draft.

[exstatic]

I’ve said this before, probably in this thread, but my biggest beef has been - and continues to be - that we just generally got a poor return on the trade. No one will ever be able to convince me that the 8th pick in ANY draft is only worth an unprotected pick in 7 years and an unprotected swap in 6 years. Assuming a completely random distribution of outcomes that far out in the future, there is only a 25% chance the pick will be as high or better than 8th, and only a 50% chance the swap conveys in the money. Yes, it was perceived (and early is very much proving) as a weak draft, but that still doesn’t make this a good ROI.

The logic behind punting the pick is generally fine, even if I agree with LeBowen that we should have taken a swing on some wing depth. I don’t agree with it, but it’s fine. Just get a better return for the pick.

Dillingham is irrelevant to that discussion, and it’s worth continuing to immediately discount anyone who brings him in up in reference to this trade.

Are those numbers for any old random team? Because in 35 years, Minnesota has been historically bad at a .411 win percentage. In comparison, Sacramento as been a fairly sad sack franchise since moving to Cali, with a few bright years at the turn of the millennium. Recently, they endured a 16 consecutive year playoff drought. Their win percentage in Sacramento is still better than Minny at .428.

[scott]

Are those numbers for any old random team? Because in 35 years, Minnesota has been historically bad at a .411 win percentage. In comparison, Sacramento as been a fairly sad sack franchise since moving to Cali, with a few bright years at the turn of the millennium. Recently, they endured a 16 consecutive year playoff drought. Their win percentage in Sacramento is still better than Minny at .428.

Yes, completely random distribution. I’d caution against putting too much stock in historical performance to predict future results. After all, the Spurs are the winningest team in league history and had only missed the NBA playoffs four times from 1976-2019. Now we’re looking like we might miss them for the 6th straight year.

[exstatic]

Yes, completely random distribution. I’d caution against putting too much stock in historical performance to predict future results. After all, the Spurs are the winningest team in league history and had only missed the NBA playoffs four times from 1976-2019. Now we’re looking like we might miss them for the 6th straight year.

The thing is, other than Garnett, no one stays there. Edward’s contract is up in 29, and Gobert and Conley will be dead by then. I don’t see them being able to avoid a major rebuild. Even if they get a haul for Ant, those are picks, and we’re living in real time seeing how long those take to develop.

[Mr. Body]

It was a weird trade, sure. But if you simply don't think any of the players available are worth the #8 pick, then trading out is the right move. Iirc, the Spurs put the pick up for sale the day or two before the draft. They'd done their diligence and determined future assets were better.

There are two different takes here:

1. Taking anyone was better than not. This argument has the advantage of claiming, if any player shows out in the future, that this is the player we should have taken. It sidesteps the need to take a stand and say which player should have been picked.

2. Going through and evaluating the players who were considered available at that range. Real, actual players, one of which must be picked. And imo there is no player at that point that seems worth the pick.

So, if we're angry that the pick wasn't used, we have to say which player they should have taken.

[Mr. Body]

And again, trading the pick meant not only receiving future assets but going for Chris Paul. Or using the space in a market where it's been very valuable. This proved to be the case - they got Harrison Barnes for free.

They weren't seeing it simply as moving the pick, but using the cap hold for potentially much better uses. I'll warrant that Harrison Barnes in this year and next may be more valuable than Mattas Buzelis ever will be.

[scott]

The thing is, other than Garnett, no one stays there. Edward’s contract is up in 29, and Gobert and Conley will be dead by then. I don’t see them being able to avoid a major rebuild. Even if they get a haul for Ant, those are picks, and we’re living in real time seeing how long those take to develop.

Other than Garnett, who have they had that’s been worth worrying about staying? Seems like they’re about 1 for 1, which is sad for them :lol

I’d also not read too much into that history of retaining star players predicting the future of keeping star players either. After all, the last star player the Spurs had forced his way out after all the others being career Spurs (we’re going to ignore that CHA year for Tony, like it never happened… he was already passed his expiration at that point anyway). The future is unpredictable - and betting on far out outcomes is a great way to lose all your chips unless the payouts are appropriately structured. An even money payout on far future outcomes is a sucker bet, from a purely probabilistic perspective.

There was a previous thread where someone posted a great article about how at a certain future time interval, NBA outcomes essentially become random. I might have it bookmarked somewhere, I might look later.

Bottom line - the current odds of the 2031 pick being better or equal to #8 are low. It’s a coin flip whether or not the swap finishes in the money. This is just math.

[ambchang]

I’ve said this before, probably in this thread, but my biggest beef has been - and continues to be - that we just generally got a poor return on the trade. No one will ever be able to convince me that the 8th pick in ANY draft is only worth an unprotected pick in 7 years and an unprotected swap in 6 years. Assuming a completely random distribution of outcomes that far out in the future, there is only a 25% chance the pick will be as high or better than 8th, and only a 50% chance the swap conveys in the money. Yes, it was perceived (and early is very much proving) as a weak draft, but that still doesn’t make this a good ROI.

The logic behind punting the pick is generally fine, even if I agree with LeBowen that we should have taken a swing on some wing depth. I don’t agree with it, but it’s fine. Just get a better return for the pick.

Dillingham is irrelevant to that discussion, and it’s worth continuing to immediately discount anyone who brings him in up in reference to this trade.

I was actually thinking the opposite. Getting a 1st round pick and a swap for filling ham, buzelis, c Williams or Ron holland is an amazing haul. You trade any of those players now and you’d be lucky getting a lightly protected pick in the future, let alone a swap.

[scott]

I was actually thinking the opposite. Getting a 1st round pick and a swap for filling ham, buzelis, c Williams or Ron holland is an amazing haul. You trade any of those players now and you’d be lucky getting a lightly protected pick in the future, let alone a swap.

This statement is generally true of most late lottery or worse picks who are 10 games, or even one full season, into their rookie campaigns. In that case, you should just never draft and keep trading the pick for future picks until you get lucky and one turns into a Top 5 pick.

[ambchang]

This statement is generally true of most late lottery or worse picks who are 10 games, or even one full season, into their rookie campaigns. In that case, you should just never draft and keep trading the pick for future picks until you get lucky and one turns into a Top 5 pick.

Depending what you can get trading that away. I was livid the spurs traded away the pick, but the more I think about it the less angry I got. Now I’m actually thinking it’s a good trade.

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=711_oZRApf8

Finally some play time. He looks better than Tre Jones already.

[CGD]

The only bad news that that he was savagely hunted on the other end. Not sure how much he gave right back.

[Obstructed_View]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=711_oZRApf8

Finally some play time. He looks better than Tre Jones already.

And Blake Wesley and Malaki Branham.

[Ice009]

I still don't get giving up that pick. There was still players worth picking at that spot. What if both Spurs picks next year are lower than 8th? Would it have been worth it giving it up?

[LeBowen]

I still don't get giving up that pick. There was still players worth picking at that spot. What if both Spurs picks next year are lower than 8th? Would it have been worth it giving it up?

Which players? Spurs weren't going to draft two rookie point guards and we weren't spending a #8 on a backup big.
Knect is looking good, but he's just a shooter. Can't playmake, horrible defense and he's actually older than Champagnie.

[Obstructed_View]

Which players? Spurs weren't going to draft two rookie point guards and we weren't spending a #8 on a backup big.
Knect is looking good, but he's just a shooter. Can't playmake, horrible defense and he's actually older than Champagnie.

Why? Dillingham and McCain already look better than Wesley or Branham, and Knecht would have been the perfect pick if you were worried about age. Jones sucks but he's missed time so he gets a bit of a pass.

[LeBowen]

Dillingham and McCain already look better than Wesley or Branham. Jones sucks but he's missed time so he gets a bit of a pass.

Wesley and Branham won't be in rotation when everyone gets healthy.
The plan was obviously to draft Castle and get the best possible mentor for him.
Tre as a stable backup. He had an injury and I don't really rate him, but it seems that PATFO is done with small guards and they want to build the best defensive team in the league.

[Obstructed_View]

Wesley and Branham won't be in rotation when everyone gets healthy.
The plan was obviously to draft Castle and get the best possible mentor for him.
Tre as a stable backup. He had an injury and I don't really rate him, but it seems that PATFO is done with small guards and they want to build the best defensive team in the league.
They haven't coached defense up until Pop went to the hospital.

[CGD]

Bottomline they probably felt they had too many mouths to feed to justify drafting a meh player (and paying him 7M per) at 8. That, and the fact they’ll likely add another 2-3 players the year after. I can’t blame them for the choice.

[CGD]

Wesley and Branham won't be in rotation when everyone gets healthy.
The plan was obviously to draft Castle and get the best possible mentor for him.
Tre as a stable backup. He had an injury and I don't really rate him, but it seems that PATFO is done with small guards and they want to build the best defensive team in the league.

Suspect you are right, though, Tre needs to start showing more with Blake stepping it up as of late. Pecking order might change too if they think Tre leaves after this contract anyway.

[rankingtear]

I still don't get giving up that pick. There was still players worth picking at that spot. What if both Spurs picks next year are lower than 8th? Would it have been worth it giving it up?

Early returns are they made the right decision with Wemby bombing 3's and Steph showing second option upside, there is less of a need to hit on projected negative defense players at the top of the rookie rankings this season. You want a starter level return at 8 and it is looking like there is none. So they deffered the value.

[Mr. Body]

Suspect you are right, though, Tre needs to start showing more with Blake stepping it up as of late. Pecking order might change too if they think Tre leaves after this contract anyway.

Everyone's overreacting again. Tre was great down the stretch the previous game.

[scott]

This draft class is predictably proving not as bad as everyone thought (though hits are coming from all over the draft order - reinforcing the idea that it was a very tough class to evaluate and rank). Lots of players making valuable contributions.

With that said, (and I say this as someone who hated the trade not because of the players we passed up but because I feel we should have gotten a better ROI) it's time to move on. We're 10-8. Drafting any of these guys probably wouldn't positively changed anything. Could we use a shooter like Knecht? Yes, but if we drafted Knecht at 8 he wouldn't be doing what he's doing in LA because the opportunity wouldn't be there. You can't seriously believe we were going to give two rookies that kind of run. Even when we took 3 rookies in the first and were one of the worst teams in the league, we didn't give Blake and Branham that kind of playing time.

This should also tell us something about next year's draft. There isn't going to be room on the team for us to insert two rookies into meaningful roles next year, barring something short of getting two Top 5 picks (which hopefully won't happen). I think this is all gearing up to a meaningful trade in the offseason (or just a trade for even more far out picks, but I'm thinking a "next step" move is on the table... can't wait to reignite the Lauri thread, tbh).

[Obstructed_View]

Early returns are they made the right decision with Wemby bombing 3's and Steph showing second option upside, there is less of a need to hit on projected negative defense players at the top of the rookie rankings this season. You want a starter level return at 8 and it is looking like there is none. So they deffered the value.
Lol early returns show all three rookies are scoring better than the vets the Spurs have. Any one of them would be in the rotation and doing better than some of the first round picks currently on the roster. Wesley is a decent defender but he's utter ass in every other way.

8 is where you expect a player that will make your roster and contribute. Statistically, it's a terrible pick to trade away if you're building a team.

[rankingtear]

Lol early returns show all three rookies are scoring better than the vets the Spurs have. Any one of them would be in the rotation and doing better than some of the first round picks currently on the roster. Wesley is a decent defender but he's utter ass in every other way.

8 is where you expect a player that will make your roster and contribute. Statistically, it's a terrible pick to trade away if you're building a team.

That is a low bar for an 8th pick.

[CGD]

Everyone's overreacting again. Tre was great down the stretch the previous game.

Last night? I think we were experiencing that game differently then.

[WaywardTexan]

The only bad news that that he was savagely hunted on the other end. Not sure how much he gave right back.

Crazily, the Wolves were +26 in the 24 minutes Dilly was on the floor. But what sense do we make of this in a world where we were +34 with Blake Wesley in his 22 minutes on the floor when he scored 11 points?

https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore/_/gameId/401703406

Unrelated to any of that, I don't blame anyone who feels disappointed we didn't use the #8 pick. But only because it is fun to root for a draft pick. I imagine the net expected value of trading versus keeping the pick is near zero. And I won't mind at all having that extra FRP in 2031.

[WaywardTexan]

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk
That is a low bar for an 8th pick.

Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk
https://i.postimg.cc/kgxTmpzF/nba9picks.png

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th-overall-draft-picks-nba

[scott]

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk

Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk
https://i.postimg.cc/kgxTmpzF/nba9picks.png

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th-overall-draft-picks-nba

Interestingly, the #8 pick has historically been a dead spot in the lotto - but there are some real home runs of late. Daniels and Franz back to back is damn solid. I still really like Walker, and Sexton is a contributor. Toppin isn't bad, and KCP has had a great career.

Lots of bums on this list though :lol

[spurraider21]

i dno, a lot of those names were solid rotation players, even if they werent good starters

- jordan hill had some productive years later in his career
- aminu was a role player for a while
- brandon knight was a solid player most famous for getting obliterated by deandre jordan (was at that game)
- ross was agood player for a while. KCP has been a very good starter.
- stauskas sucked
- stanley johnson was, in fact, 6'7
- chriss/nitilkina were bad
- sexton is good
- hayes is a playable rotation piece
- toppin has become a good rotation player
- wagner is a very good starter playing at an all-star level right now
- daniels was already a rotation player now looking even better in an enhanced role
- walker has been disappointing so far, but early
- dillingham hasnt gotten minutes due to the KAT trade, but i still think he'll be fine

all in all, thats not a bad list of players. but Wagner is the only all-star caliber player on that list

[Obstructed_View]

That is a low bar for an 8th pick.
No, it isn't. NBA drafting is not remotely a science. Based on the last ~25 years, you have a 35% chance of stating a star and your worst case scenario is end of bench player. No busts from that pick.

https://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

[exstatic]

Interestingly, the #8 pick has historically been a dead spot in the lotto - but there are some real home runs of late. Daniels and Franz back to back is damn solid. I still really like Walker, and Sexton is a contributor. Toppin isn't bad, and KCP has had a great career.

Lots of bums on this list though :lol

Small sample size, although Franz is a stud.

[Knoxxx]

Dillingham has had very limited playing time for a #8 pick. I don't know that he was actually injured or what. He has had a few good games lately. On a limited sample size, he shoots 50% overall and 50% from three. On a similar sample size, Castle was probably below 35% from 2 and under 25% from 3. (has improved lately)

Dillingham looks like instant offense as was expected. Playmaker potential appears to be there, 7 assists last game. Even got 5 boards. Indications are he is a highly dynamic player as was thought to be his potential. Time will tell of course.

The knock was mainly his defense, though of course his tiny size, weighing like 160 was also cited. I am sure he can probably beef up to 180 at least eventually. A case could be made that his quickness, along with prowess of Wemby, Castle, Sochan, means he only has to play as good of defense as Chris Paul and that would have been adequate.

I'm still of the opinion that Dilly or Knecht were the guys to take at 8, the guys that were most likely to be available at that spot and actually pan out. McCain is largely 20/20 hindsight at present, most everyone was a lot higher on Devin Carter.

As a nod to my good friend Exstatic, I am adding this edit: It would have been hard or impossible to bring in Paul and/or Barnes with the money we had to commit to Dilly. I saw the $7 mills per referenced in scanning the thread also.

[jeebus]

If the Spurs wanted an undersized PG who can sometimes shoot and not play defense, they would've kept Graham.

[scott]

Small sample size, although Franz is a stud.

I remember like it was just yesterday when you presented an argument with a sample size of 1 game. Oh yeah, because it was literally yesterday.

[baseline bum]

Dillingham has had very limited playing time for a #8 pick. I don't know that he was actually injured or what.

I think it was more DiVencenzo was taking all his minutes until Conley got hurt.

[exstatic]

I remember like it was just yesterday when you presented an argument with a sample size of 1 game. Oh yeah, because it was literally yesterday.

And I followed it up with the fact that MANY posters here use it, which you just proved.

Right back atcha, Scott. You scolded me for it, seems just like…yesterday. :)

[scott]

And I followed it up with the fact that MANY posters here use it, which you just proved.

Right back atcha, Scott. You scolded me for it, seems just like…yesterday. :)

That was someone else who called you out yesterday, I was just an observer.

And noting a player performing well into his third season is a little stronger of a sample size than one game. :)

[rankingtear]

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk

Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk
https://i.postimg.cc/kgxTmpzF/nba9picks.png

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th-overall-draft-picks-nba

Those are results, how many of those are drafted to be a starter based on how their roster is constructed. How many of those has the GM tried to trade down or out if their given similar value.

[ambchang]

Probably a minority on this, but I still think it was a good trade. Would you trade Dillingham for a future #1 protected pick and an unprotected swap? Would you do it for McCain, Knecht and C. Wililams (yes, I wanted that as the #8 pick), I would say a majority of people would say yes.

[onechance87]

Probably a minority on this, but I still think it was a good trade. Would you trade Dillingham for a future #1 protected pick and an unprotected swap? Would you do it for McCain, Knecht and C. Wililams (yes, I wanted that as the #8 pick), I would say a majority of people would say yes.

its a bad trade cause we are in the process of rebuilding and need talent now.If the scouts couldint see any talent or players
with potential...They need to be fired...Cause clearly we missed out on some decent players.

[Obstructed_View]

If the Spurs wanted an undersized PG who can sometimes shoot and not play defense, they would've kept Graham.
And Graham is currently playing for...

[Obstructed_View]

Probably a minority on this, but I still think it was a good trade. Would you trade Dillingham for a future #1 protected pick and an unprotected swap? Would you do it for McCain, Knecht and C. Wililams (yes, I wanted that as the #8 pick), I would say a majority of people would say yes.
The Spurs could really use a guy who is instant offense even if everyone else has to help him on defense. In the land of no-way guards, the one-way guard is king.

[Obstructed_View]

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk

Totally genuine question here: What % of these guys are decent rotation players on a good team? Or even a bad team?

https://imgur.com/a/CWDH7wk
https://i.postimg.cc/kgxTmpzF/nba9picks.png

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/8th-overall-draft-picks-nba
Over the time period from the link I posted earlier, 35 percent of number 8 picks are stars, 35 percent are deep bench players, the other 30 percent is in between, and zero have busted out of the league. I'll take a 65 percent chance of a rotation player or better, especially on this team. The second round picks wasted this year are far better trade assets in relation to the potential caliber of player drafted than trading away 8.

[ambchang]

its a bad trade cause we are in the process of rebuilding and need talent now.If the scouts couldint see any talent or players
with potential...They need to be fired...Cause clearly we missed out on some decent players.


The Spurs could really use a guy who is instant offense even if everyone else has to help him on defense. In the land of no-way guards, the one-way guard is king.

I guess that's where we differ, it's that I really don't see a role for the Dillinghams, McCains and Carringtons on this team. Sure, the logical question is "Why did we keep Branham then?". I am not a fan of Branham either.

These players may very well flourish in other systems, I just don't see them doing so on the Spurs.

[Mr. Body]

I guess that's where we differ, it's that I really don't see a role for the Dillinghams, McCains and Carringtons on this team. Sure, the logical question is "Why did we keep Branham then?". I am not a fan of Branham either.

These players may very well flourish in other systems, I just don't see them doing so on the Spurs.

We're of the same mind pretty much. The Spurs seem to want bigger, mobile players who can switch on defense and move the ball around. Those may actually harder to find than small guards who can score and if you can figure out the offense, look out. The desire appears to balance great defense around Wembanyama and they could throttle teams.

Problem with small guards:

- If they fail to score, whether not panning out at all or in stretches, what do they do?

- If they're shit at defense, then the pressure on Wembanyama goes up considerably. Easy way to put too much wear and tear on him.

- Small guards who can only defend only one position aren't good to have.

Players like Dillingham and McCain are always available, more or less. You can find them in many drafts. Often times they don't pan out at all. Or, if they do well, then defenses figure them out and their longevity isn't great. Some maintain, the Bookers and so on, but there's just as many like Anfernee Simons who doesn't impact winning and starts plateauing.

As for Branham, he was drafted pre-Wembanyama. He's on the team now, so see if you can figure things out. They might not draft him now.

[Obstructed_View]

I guess that's where we differ, it's that I really don't see a role for the Dillinghams, McCains and Carringtons on this team. Sure, the logical question is "Why did we keep Branham then?". I am not a fan of Branham either.

These players may very well flourish in other systems, I just don't see them doing so on the Spurs.
Yes. That's where we differ. I see a need for players who can score on a team that routinely loses because nobody can make a basket. I also see the need for someone who can hit an open three at a remotely decent rate to replace the five guys we have had here for years who've proven that they can't.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Yes. That's where we differ. I see a need for players who can score on a team that routinely loses because nobody can make a basket. I also see the need for someone who can hit an open three at a remotely decent rate to replace the five guys we have had here for years who've proven that they can't.

agreed, which is why I hope Minx cracks the rotation.

[Mr. Body]

agreed, which is why I hope Minx cracks the rotation.

The only way Minix sniffs an NBA floor is if everyone else has been kidnapped by a Mexican drug cartel.

[Obstructed_View]

agreed, which is why I hope Minx cracks the rotation.

You hope an undrafted guy from Morehead State cracks the rotation because there is no role available for a lottery pick with NBA range. Makes perfect sense.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

You hope an undrafted guy from Morehead State cracks the rotation because there is no role available for a lottery pick with NBA range. Makes perfect sense.

What?? No, I hope a team that sucks at 3’s like we do actually use someone who can but 3’s. Minx absolutely deserves a chance considering how woeful we are from downtown.

I didn’t mean minx instead of using the 8th pick.

[The Truth #6]

We didn't have to draft Dillingham necessarily. But I think recognizing that the team is going to get better and this might be the last top eight pick we're going to get for a long ass time, and we're still sort of rebuilding, so that part just seemed idiotic. Sure, Atlanta. But a team trying to win, especially in the East, isn't as guaranteed as, you know, an 8th pick.

Luckily, we got Barnes and CP.

[Mr. Body]

We didn't have to draft Dillingham necessarily. But I think recognizing that the team is going to get better and this might be the last top eight pick we're going to get for a long ass time, and we're still sort of rebuilding, so that part just seemed idiotic. Sure, Atlanta. But a team trying to win, especially in the East, isn't as guaranteed as, you know, an 8th pick.

Luckily, we got Barnes and CP.

Taking a pick just to take a pick doesn't make sense. You'd have to select a player from last draft instead of "wouldn't it be great to have taken a #8 pick?" Like, who is that player? Right now we seem to think the team should have taken Knecht or McCain, but they may not have been fits, have defensive issues, and there's no indication the team would have taken them.

So we're getting upset about a game of pretend.

The Spurs may very well have moved out of the era of high lottery picks. They got a #1 and a #4 and... that's it. The game of watching high end draft picks throughout the season and wondering who we might get could be done. But this is precisely why they picked up some swaps and an unprotected lottery pick in the future, although it steamed up a lot of people.

[jmard5]

Many teams missed out on certain players, it is easy to say that in hindsight. Easier also to point out missed opportunities and overlook the positives.

Wasn’t there a previous discussion about the limitations of smaller but defensively-challenged players especially in the playoffs? That includes shooters without decent defense.

Wemby, Castle, and to some extent Sochan, are the core pieces. Spurs have more opportunities to decide what to do with the picks as they come in while they are on the rebuild. I liked the #8 trade.

[Raven]

it was a great choice to give up the pick. There was no room on the roster.

[Obstructed_View]

it was a great choice to give up the pick. There was no room on the roster.

True in a way. Problem is that Mamu was probably the fifteenth man even though he's far from the worst player. Guess there are salary implications if you plead the roster is full and then draft two more guys though.

[Obstructed_View]

What?? No, I hope a team that sucks at 3’s like we do actually use someone who can but 3’s. Minx absolutely deserves a chance considering how woeful we are from downtown.

I didn’t mean minx instead of using the 8th pick.

Sorry. My bad. Please disregard. I think I didn't check the name before replying.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Sorry. My bad. Please disregard. I think I didn't check the name before replying.

All good man, I actually should have typed my initial response more clearly. Cheers :toast

[spurraider21]

it was a great choice to give up the pick. There was no room on the roster.
counterpoint, cidy cissoko exists.

i would say branham but we guaranteed his contract for next season too :lol

[The Truth #6]

Taking a pick just to take a pick doesn't make sense. You'd have to select a player from last draft instead of "wouldn't it be great to have taken a #8 pick?" Like, who is that player? Right now we seem to think the team should have taken Knecht or McCain, but they may not have been fits, have defensive issues, and there's no indication the team would have taken them.

So we're getting upset about a game of pretend.

The Spurs may very well have moved out of the era of high lottery picks. They got a #1 and a #4 and... that's it. The game of watching high end draft picks throughout the season and wondering who we might get could be done. But this is precisely why they picked up some swaps and an unprotected lottery pick in the future, although it steamed up a lot of people.

It's a guaranteed lottery pick in the future? Didn't know that.

To me, it's not that they didn't see some amazing player, it's that they like the end of bench players perhaps more than picking someone new at 8. That very well may be because they value continuity and a family approach, which often is cool, but in this situation I'm hesitant to say it was a great approach.

[John B]

It's a guaranteed lottery pick in the future? Didn't know that.

To me, it's not that they didn't see some amazing player, it's that they like the end of bench players perhaps more than picking someone new at 8. That very well may be because they value continuity and a family approach, which often is cool, but in this situation I'm hesitant to say it was a great approach.

I like to think that if we kept Dilly, we wouldn’t get Barnes and CP3. And Barnes and CP3 are the big reasons the Spurs are winning right now. With Dilly, the Spurs would be the same as last year, and ST would be bitchin that the Spurs has the worst future in the league.

[rankingtear]

It's a guaranteed lottery pick in the future? Didn't know that.

To me, it's not that they didn't see some amazing player, it's that they like the end of bench players perhaps more than picking someone new at 8. That very well may be because they value continuity and a family approach, which often is cool, but in this situation I'm hesitant to say it was a great approach.

Wright already shut that down on the post draft presser as well as free agency angle. He insist it is all about their valuation of the 8th pick in the draft.

[rankingtear]

MIN stopped their losing streak by not playing him.

[The Truth #6]

I do appreciate CP and Barnes.

But value is slippery. An overvalued #8 last year might still be more meaningful than a possible better #8 pick in 2031. There's a lot of uncertainties and an assessment of our window is open to debate.

Anyway, just speculating.

[ambchang]

It's a guaranteed lottery pick in the future? Didn't know that.

To me, it's not that they didn't see some amazing player, it's that they like the end of bench players perhaps more than picking someone new at 8. That very well may be because they value continuity and a family approach, which often is cool, but in this situation I'm hesitant to say it was a great approach.

I actually think the FO is thinking of replenishing future pipeline when the picks are likely to be in the mid to high 20s (or so the hope) by replacing the important role players.

The core is yet to set, wemby is obviously the one, we will see who else would make it. Is if vassell? Sochan? Castle? This years pick? But most of the time there are three of the core guys, everyone else is replaceable by the picks. By that logic, whoever is good but not good enough to make it to the core will naturally turn into future picks. The cycle continues until wemby retires.

[scott]

I actually think the FO is thinking of replenishing future pipeline when the picks are likely to be in the mid to high 20s (or so the hope) by replacing the important role players.

The core is yet to set, wemby is obviously the one, we will see who else would make it. Is if vassell? Sochan? Castle? This years pick? But most of the time there are three of the core guys, everyone else is replaceable by the picks. By that logic, whoever is good but not good enough to make it to the core will naturally turn into future picks. The cycle continues until wemby retires.

I feel like our Big 3 is going to Wemby + one of Vassell or Castle + a current NBA player not yet on the team (#LauriThread2025). Someone like Sochan will be a key role player, maybe even a career Spur, but not quite "Big 3" worth. I feel like our pick warchest will eventually be cashed in for that third player... but who knows, maybe we'll get lucky with Wemby + Dev + Castle and not have to make that big trade.

[ambchang]

I feel like our Big 3 is going to Wemby + one of Vassell or Castle + a current NBA player not yet on the team (#LauriThread2025). Someone like Sochan will be a key role player, maybe even a career Spur, but not quite "Big 3" worth. I feel like our pick warchest will eventually be cashed in for that third player... but who knows, maybe we'll get lucky with Wemby + Dev + Castle and not have to make that big trade.

I hope so. I’m counting on the picks prolonging the wemby championship window.
OKC seems to be the only team who really nailed it. The rockets are on the cusp if they can get their true franchise player. Nets are trying to go that route.

[scott]

I hope so. I’m counting on the picks prolonging the wemby championship window.
OKC seems to be the only team who really nailed it. The rockets are on the cusp if they can get their true franchise player. Nets are trying to go that route.

OKC was fortunate that they got their Acquired-Core-Piece (meaning, the member of their core they got via trade, and not the draft) up front - so they didn't have to use any of that draft capital for it. The Spurs are in reverse order, and that's assuming that one of Devin or Steph rises to the level we hope. I feel like we're going to have to make some kind of big splash via trade, because there is not likely to be any more Top 5 picks coming our way and frankly I think Wemby has shifted the timeline too much to have to wait for a Kawhi-like rookie to come in and blossom into a star. Lots of roads Wright can take, which is exciting, but there is also a ton of pressure to get it right here.

The Rockets I think are interesting... they actually have just a really good, solid team without a true Superstar. It's almost like a Celtics model, with even less top-end star power. I'd say Tatum and Brown are "low end superstars", if there is such a thing, but the are still stars. Houston doesn't even have that, but they still have a solid squad without a lot of holes. I think they are wise to see what this team accomplishes this year and determine whether they can run a no-star model, or make a big consolidation trade for their star.

[ambchang]

OKC was fortunate that they got their Acquired-Core-Piece (meaning, the member of their core they got via trade, and not the draft) up front - so they didn't have to use any of that draft capital for it. The Spurs are in reverse order, and that's assuming that one of Devin or Steph rises to the level we hope. I feel like we're going to have to make some kind of big splash via trade, because there is not likely to be any more Top 5 picks coming our way and frankly I think Wemby has shifted the timeline too much to have to wait for a Kawhi-like rookie to come in and blossom into a star. Lots of roads Wright can take, which is exciting, but there is also a ton of pressure to get it right here.

The Rockets I think are interesting... they actually have just a really good, solid team without a true Superstar. It's almost like a Celtics model, with even less top-end star power. I'd say Tatum and Brown are "low end superstars", if there is such a thing, but the are still stars. Houston doesn't even have that, but they still have a solid squad without a lot of holes. I think they are wise to see what this team accomplishes this year and determine whether they can run a no-star model, or make a big consolidation trade for their star.

Always enjoy reading your takes. Whether I agree or not you always have your back up and rationale and have well thought out responses.

Agreed on the OKC front. Like I’ve always said, we didn’t start off having the westbrook Durant harden ibaka assets to tear down, and the only reason they tore it down is because they couldn’t get it done in the first place. If the thunder won it all back in 2012 to 2015, they may choose to keep it together (well specifically 2012) despite the tax, and who knows what happens? Durant may not pull a coward move, players may drop in trade value and SGA may end up with the pacers instead.

The spurs have some decent players as core but other than wemby all are a rung below all star levels now. Castle has some potential, I don’t really know about Vassell. In terms of type I think sochan is a tougher find than Vassell and Vassell is of higher demand so will have more value in the trade market if the hand is forced. I want to continue building through the draft which is why I’m still pro tank for one more year but perhaps that just tempting the basketball gods too much.

Rockets will be good, but I don’t see them developing into a championship team with this core. Perhaps they are trying to go the 2004 pistons route but I just don’t trust sengun at all as their best player. I’d trade him for some good picks and/or a young promising player.

I think the nets will be good in a few years.

Detroit, despite historically bad lottery luck the last few years, does have a little something to build on.

Orlando I feel isn’t going anywhere. They may end up as a high seed in the dreadful east or maybe even win a few rounds but I cannot see them challenging for a ring at all. Pablo isn’t someone I’d really build on (honestly I can’t say why but I don’t see him as a #1 or even #2 on a contender.

The spurs future looks bright now but so much of that is based on luck still. The spurs will need another high level star, who will step in that role is tbd of course. I hope it will be castle, but failing that I hope the spurs get space-time collapsing level of lottery luck this year and land us Harper.

[spurraider21]

OKC was fortunate that they got their Acquired-Core-Piece (meaning, the member of their core they got via trade, and not the draft) up front - so they didn't have to use any of that draft capital for it. The Spurs are in reverse order, and that's assuming that one of Devin or Steph rises to the level we hope. I feel like we're going to have to make some kind of big splash via trade, because there is not likely to be any more Top 5 picks coming our way and frankly I think Wemby has shifted the timeline too much to have to wait for a Kawhi-like rookie to come in and blossom into a star. Lots of roads Wright can take, which is exciting, but there is also a ton of pressure to get it right here.

The Rockets I think are interesting... they actually have just a really good, solid team without a true Superstar. It's almost like a Celtics model, with even less top-end star power. I'd say Tatum and Brown are "low end superstars", if there is such a thing, but the are still stars. Houston doesn't even have that, but they still have a solid squad without a lot of holes. I think they are wise to see what this team accomplishes this year and determine whether they can run a no-star model, or make a big consolidation trade for their star.
i mean we got ours in Wemby. sure he wasnt directly from a trade, but it didnt take some scouting luck or bizarre unexpected player development like nephew

they used the draft goet J-Dub, Chet, Wallace

[scott]

i mean we got ours in Wemby. sure he wasnt directly from a trade, but it didnt take some scouting luck or bizarre unexpected player development like nephew

they used the draft goet J-Dub, Chet, Wallace

My main point was that in a model where you have two homegrown players as part of your big 3, and you have to acquire the third via trade - OKC was lucky in that they already had the guy acquired via trade (SGA) AND THEN had a bunch of draft capital, so they could just sit back and pick. The Spurs on the other hand (hopefully) have their homegrown parts of the big 3 (Wemby and hopefully one of Devin or Castle, but maybe both) and might have to dip into that trade capital to get the third guy. Spurs may not have the luxury of just sitting back and using all of these picks to continuously reload the roster (like OKC is doing).

With that said, our FO has decided they'd rather punt picks into the future while OKC is using them on guys like Topic, Ajay Mitchell and Dillon Jones... so it appears that our philosophy is to be more direct with picks as opposed to just the constant reloading and offloading that OKC seems to be going with (which will work for them, and be what allows them to fairly easily keep their big 3, despite the wishcasting of ST.com members).

[scott]

Always enjoy reading your takes. Whether I agree or not you always have your back up and rationale and have well thought out responses.

Agreed on the OKC front. Like I’ve always said, we didn’t start off having the westbrook Durant harden ibaka assets to tear down, and the only reason they tore it down is because they couldn’t get it done in the first place. If the thunder won it all back in 2012 to 2015, they may choose to keep it together (well specifically 2012) despite the tax, and who knows what happens? Durant may not pull a coward move, players may drop in trade value and SGA may end up with the pacers instead.

The spurs have some decent players as core but other than wemby all are a rung below all star levels now. Castle has some potential, I don’t really know about Vassell. In terms of type I think sochan is a tougher find than Vassell and Vassell is of higher demand so will have more value in the trade market if the hand is forced. I want to continue building through the draft which is why I’m still pro tank for one more year but perhaps that just tempting the basketball gods too much.

Rockets will be good, but I don’t see them developing into a championship team with this core. Perhaps they are trying to go the 2004 pistons route but I just don’t trust sengun at all as their best player. I’d trade him for some good picks and/or a young promising player.

I think the nets will be good in a few years.

Detroit, despite historically bad lottery luck the last few years, does have a little something to build on.

Orlando I feel isn’t going anywhere. They may end up as a high seed in the dreadful east or maybe even win a few rounds but I cannot see them challenging for a ring at all. Pablo isn’t someone I’d really build on (honestly I can’t say why but I don’t see him as a #1 or even #2 on a contender.

The spurs future looks bright now but so much of that is based on luck still. The spurs will need another high level star, who will step in that role is tbd of course. I hope it will be castle, but failing that I hope the spurs get space-time collapsing level of lottery luck this year and land us Harper.

Thanks for the complement, first of all, I appreciate it. I really like it when we can all just settle into some good, rational debate on our opinions of things that at the end of the day are all unknowns and none of us have a crystal ball on.

I agree with all your takes here - I think you, myself, spurraider (IIRC) and KobesAchilles (again IIRC) are among the few who are still on the fence on Devin. Everyone else seems fully ready to anoint him as part of our future Big3, but I'm not completely sure how he fits. If he plays like he did the other night against SAC... then yeah, for sure. But that was kind of the ideal, 99th percentile outcome version of Devin. Is that sustainable? If it is, then we're cooking. I'm really optimistic on Castle, but he's not quite as apparent for stardom as a rookie as someone like Jalen Williams, but Castle is looking as good as we could have hoped at this point and I think he'll be a star.

The only take I disagree with is on Orlando. I think Paolo is the real deal, and I like the team they've built. Franz has taken a big leap this year as well. Anthony Black has made a decent year 2 jump, then just need to get something out of Jett Howard. I like the ensemble of bigs the have in Carter Jr (when healthy)-Goga-Mo Wagner. I don't see any major holes in their team, and they are fun to watch. They play great defense, and they'll get a big boost when Paolo returns.

[Light]

I feel like our Big 3 is going to Wemby + one of Vassell or Castle + a current NBA player not yet on the team (#LauriThread2025). Someone like Sochan will be a key role player, maybe even a career Spur, but not quite "Big 3" worth. I feel like our pick warchest will eventually be cashed in for that third player... but who knows, maybe we'll get lucky with Wemby + Dev + Castle and not have to make that big trade.

Wemby and Castle are just 20 years old, so the Big 3 configuration will likely change over the course of their careers, with those two as the mainstays. I'm fine with Wemby, Vassell, and Castle being the first iteration, with Castle eventually taking over the number 2 spot once his jumper is legit. We may end up having to make a big trade at some point, but I think giving those three time to develop together, while strengthening the bench/rotation will be the path forward.

[Em-City]

Thanks for the complement, first of all, I appreciate it. I really like it when we can all just settle into some good, rational debate on our opinions of things that at the end of the day are all unknowns and none of us have a crystal ball on.

I agree with all your takes here - I think you, myself, spurraider (IIRC) and KobesAchilles (again IIRC) are among the few who are still on the fence on Devin. Everyone else seems fully ready to anoint him as part of our future Big3, but I'm not completely sure how he fits. If he plays like he did the other night against SAC... then yeah, for sure. But that was kind of the ideal, 99th percentile outcome version of Devin. Is that sustainable? If it is, then we're cooking. I'm really optimistic on Castle, but he's not quite as apparent for stardom as a rookie as someone like Jalen Williams, but Castle is looking as good as we could have hoped at this point and I think he'll be a star.

The only take I disagree with is on Orlando. I think Paolo is the real deal, and I like the team they've built. Franz has taken a big leap this year as well. Anthony Black has made a decent year 2 jump, then just need to get something out of Jett Howard. I like the ensemble of bigs the have in Carter Jr (when healthy)-Goga-Mo Wagner. I don't see any major holes in their team, and they are fun to watch. They play great defense, and they'll get a big boost when Paolo returns.

I think a lot more aren't sold on Vassell than you think. He may be a simple, existing solution for the next couple of years, but the fit and other available options down the line is what will determine the title-contending sidekicks for Wemby in SA.

[Sugus]

I agree with all your takes here - I think you, myself, spurraider (IIRC) and KobesAchilles (again IIRC) are among the few who are still on the fence on Devin. Everyone else seems fully ready to anoint him as part of our future Big3, but I'm not completely sure how he fits. If he plays like he did the other night against SAC... then yeah, for sure. But that was kind of the ideal, 99th percentile outcome version of Devin. Is that sustainable? If it is, then we're cooking. I'm really optimistic on Castle, but he's not quite as apparent for stardom as a rookie as someone like Jalen Williams, but Castle is looking as good as we could have hoped at this point and I think he'll be a star.

Count me in on this club, actually, tbh.

I've had my doubts about Devin ever since we passed on Haliburton for him (though with Hali's potential back issues, it's looking more and more like the correct decision). I do like his game, and his shooting is clearly something, but he's always seemed a little underwhelming for what he could provide given his player profile. That, and the availability factor, are my main stoppers from getting too attached to Vassell long-term.

Last but certainly not least -- with Wemby (ofc) and Castle looking like staples, and Sochan climbing up to that tier (we'll see if he sustains pre-injury level moving forward), the SG and SF spots turn into the only places where real change and upgrade can be had, and true "Star Power" added to the team. I wouldn't sell low on him at all, but I also wouldn't mind him being the centerpiece in a trade for an All-NBA SG when the time is right.

[scott]

Count me in on this club, actually, tbh.

I've had my doubts about Devin ever since we passed on Haliburton for him (though with Hali's potential back issues, it's looking more and more like the correct decision). I do like his game, and his shooting is clearly something, but he's always seemed a little underwhelming for what he could provide given his player profile. That, and the availability factor, are my main stoppers from getting too attached to Vassell long-term.

Last but certainly not least -- with Wemby (ofc) and Castle looking like staples, and Sochan climbing up to that tier (we'll see if he sustains pre-injury level moving forward), the SG and SF spots turn into the only places where real change and upgrade can be had, and true "Star Power" added to the team. I wouldn't sell low on him at all, but I also wouldn't mind him being the centerpiece in a trade for an All-NBA SG when the time is right.

I take exception to this one bolded part. This is the beauty of Castle and Sochan (and I think Sochan will become a core secondary guy, but not necessarily part of our Big 3 - I just don't know that he has the skills for it, but that isn't to say he won't be super valuable and a long term piece). If Castle and Sochan are those guys, I still think it's one guard and one forward where we can upgrade because of the position flex those two guys offer. I'll use extreme examples which may not be the best but they are the easiest for me to try to get my point across. If Castle emerges as a star, I think you can still pair him with a Dearon Fox (pure PG), a Devin Booker (combo G), or an Ant Edwards (pure SG). I don't see any of those archetypes conflicting with Steph. With Sochan, it's a little trickier. I don't think we could pair him with Giannis, for example, but I think he just as easily pairs with a Lauri (combo SF/PF) as he does a Brandon Miller (pure SF) or Cam Johnson (pure PF).

Devin locks things up a little more, IMO, since I think he can really only play SG and maybe SF, but a SG/SF doesn't actually provide that much position flex, IMO.

[ambchang]

Thanks for the complement, first of all, I appreciate it. I really like it when we can all just settle into some good, rational debate on our opinions of things that at the end of the day are all unknowns and none of us have a crystal ball on.

I agree with all your takes here - I think you, myself, spurraider (IIRC) and KobesAchilles (again IIRC) are among the few who are still on the fence on Devin. Everyone else seems fully ready to anoint him as part of our future Big3, but I'm not completely sure how he fits. If he plays like he did the other night against SAC... then yeah, for sure. But that was kind of the ideal, 99th percentile outcome version of Devin. Is that sustainable? If it is, then we're cooking. I'm really optimistic on Castle, but he's not quite as apparent for stardom as a rookie as someone like Jalen Williams, but Castle is looking as good as we could have hoped at this point and I think he'll be a star.

The only take I disagree with is on Orlando. I think Paolo is the real deal, and I like the team they've built. Franz has taken a big leap this year as well. Anthony Black has made a decent year 2 jump, then just need to get something out of Jett Howard. I like the ensemble of bigs the have in Carter Jr (when healthy)-Goga-Mo Wagner. I don't see any major holes in their team, and they are fun to watch. They play great defense, and they'll get a big boost when Paolo returns.

Good points about Orlando. If I’m wrong about Paulo it’s not the first time I’m wrong about your players. I counted antman out last summer and he busted out last year (although I think he’s falling back to earth this year team record wise, but he is still looking like an mvp candidate), I didn’t (and still don’t) like haliburton. I think his drop in production is due to his injuries but even without his injuries his defence just offsets everything he does on offence.

For paolo, I’m not sure what is missing; his game produce numbers but I don’t see how he helps his team wins

[BatManu20]

Still hurts :cry


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[onechance87]

i hope we dont regret this decision.

[spurraider21]

i still remember that moment of euphoria when i heard the pick. castle/dillingham was a dream combo of mine (once risacher and sheppard were gone)

[Leetonidas]

Still hurts :cry


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At least it was against the Jazz :lol

[stephen jackson]

yeah his game was nice against jazz well see

[stephen jackson]

id take him off the bench over tre and hed be cheaper

[spurraider21]

his numbers since white donte got hurt

https://i.gyazo.com/afc959b945e850362df41267aefc4f07.png

[John B]

If they’re serious about getting Fox, how they’ll even find minutes for Dilly? If you’re talking about Edey who I think the Spurs can use against centers like Zubac, yes. I wish they used 8th on Edey instead.

[LeBowen]

i still remember that moment of euphoria when i heard the pick. castle/dillingham was a dream combo of mine (once risacher and sheppard were gone)

I was supposed to win $50 in that draft prediction topic, I had us picking Castle and Dillingham. :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

Still hurts :cry


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see how his speed makes him tough to guard? He was giving the Thompson twins hell at Overtime Elite

[spurraider21]

I was supposed to win $50 in that draft prediction topic, I had us picking Castle and Dillingham. :lol
check them receipts boy

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=303916

[rjv]

see how his speed makes him tough to guard? He was giving the Thompson twins hell at Overtime Elite

if he gives Amen hell with the Rockets then I'd be impressed but the Jazz make a lot of players look great. scoot had 18 and 10 against the Jazz in December, including the game winner.

[Mnky]

His archetype isn't the best in the NBA. He's a great scorer. Great change of pace. Wanted him to be the patty mills role since Tre couldn't develop the offense to.

But those two picks in the future are more valuable than a bench scorer tbh. Especially when Wemby needs assets to keep the dream alive in possibly acquiring talent.

[Kurik]

No regrets especially when based on Minny’s history.

[Atl Spur]

This draft should shore up any outstanding issues, plus let’s not forget about Juan Nunez in the future.

[jeebus]

He'll be a great tank commander for Minny to get us a top 5 pick during Vic's prime.

[widowmaker]

Bubba bubbba bubba 2032 pick

[CGD]

Still hurts :cry


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Dem
Mighty
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[The Truth #6]

We need talent now to help unlock so many of our problematic players and even to help set up Victor who can't do it all by himself. So even if the pick in 2031 becomes a better player, it's not as useful in my opinion as a player who's only half or 2/3 as good now. If said player now can make players around him better even if just on offense, then he improves several players simultaneously who are stuck in arrested development, so to speak.

I mean, isn't that why we're getting Fox, basically a super charged Dillingham at supercharged prices?

[spursparker9]

He is a repeat history of how we gave away the pick for Leandro Barbosa to the Suns

[scott]

I'm not mad about not having Dillingham. He's fun - but doesn't fit what we're doing here, and not really comparable to the kind of player Fox is.

With that said, having Dillingham right now would probably be more valuable than a 2031 MIN pick in trying to get Fox. Oh well.

[CGD]

Lets close this bitch down!

[baseline bum]

Spurs legend Rob Dillingham getting Wemby his second star OMFG.

[baseline bum]

I'm not mad about not having Dillingham. He's fun - but doesn't fit what we're doing here, and not really comparable to the kind of player Fox is.

With that said, having Dillingham right now would probably be more valuable than a 2031 MIN pick in trying to get Fox. Oh well.

Have a bowl of crow with me bro!

[scott]

Have a bowl of crow with me bro!

I want Brian to come to my house and feed it to me directly like I'm a little baby. It taste sooooooo good

[ffadicted]

Everyone that called this a bad move needs to get in here and file their official apologies to Brian.

[Chinook]

I mean, there were ways for the Spurs to complete this trade without it. But it is nice that they turned Poeltl into what was probably the major piece in acquiring an All-Star --level guard a few years later.

It's funny that the Kawhi trade helped both in bringing in Poeltl and in establishing the relationship with DMDR that probably led to the Spurs being part of the S&T this summer. I hate to talk about DeMar this way, but I imagine seeing the Kings spend assets to bring him in could've been a factor that led to Fox realizing Sacramento wasn't it. What makes it worse is that DeMar probably helped give Chicago false hope, which encouraged them to sign Lavine rather than trade him, leading to them being moribund enough to want to deal him.

DeRozan has been a fucking assassin for the SA. They should retire his jersey when this is all over.

[jeebus]

Worst fucking trade ever are you kidding me Brian Wrong :lmao :lmao

:lmao

[slick'81]

We can thank wembanyama for all this

[jeebus]

Way to kill the buzz PATFO. Smh :bang


So let me get this right, the Spurs just traded the 8th pick for what probably is gonna be a late 20's pick and an equally shitty draft swap? :lol


Brian Wright won't even be the fucking GM in 7 years...we can only hope


All that talk about “spurs are tanking for this draft :cry” and they end up trading one of their lottery picks for nothing in return.why is Wrong still here, tbh?


Not even the sniffers can put dis one


Why do the Twolves always fleece us, they took our early 2nd rounder last year too


Dillingham could easily win RoY next season, tbh. I'd love it just to humble these fucking morons a little.


Gotta prepare for when Wemby leaves the team tbh


Brian Wright is a fucking joke. Hopefully this will finally kill the extremely outdated "the Spurs are draft wizards" meme.


The trade was objectively a terrible transaction. 2030 and 2031 is so far in the future that they hold so little value today. And one of them is a swap?? Value wise, made much more sense to take a flyer at the 8th even if the Spurs weren't high on anyone.

:lmao This fuckin place is completely special needs

[z0sa]

:lmao This fuckin place is completely special needs

:lol fair, but mine was clearly trolling tbh fwiw imo

[scott]

I mean, there were ways for the Spurs to complete this trade without it. But it is nice that they turned Poeltl into what was probably the major piece in acquiring an All-Star --level guard a few years later.

It's funny that the Kawhi trade helped both in bringing in Poeltl and in establishing the relationship with DMDR that probably led to the Spurs being part of the S&T this summer. I hate to talk about DeMar this way, but I imagine seeing the Kings spend assets to bring him in could've been a factor that led to Fox realizing Sacramento wasn't it. What makes it worse is that DeMar probably helped give Chicago false hope, which encouraged them to sign Lavine rather than trade him, leading to them being moribund enough to want to deal him.

DeRozan has been a fucking assassin for the SA. They should retire his jersey when this is all over.

This deserves to be pinned at the top of the Demar thread for posterity :lol

[baseline bum]

:lmao This fuckin place is completely special needs

This gives me flashbacks of when we were all pissed the Spurs didn't pick Charlie Ward, only to find out the next day Pop traded our pick (Bill Curley) to bring Sean Elliott back.

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This gives me flashbacks of when we were all pissed the Spurs didn't pick Charlie Ward, only to find out the next day Pop traded our pick (Bill Curley) to bring Sean Elliott back.
I was so fucking mad about Bill Curley. I don't think I've ever been more angry at a Spurs move.

[Spurs Homer]

Ok

i shitted on this move by the spurs more than anyone….i think…

ok - NOW- im happy to eat shit in a bowl….if gifting dilly to a rival led to this Fox trade- NOW im ok with it….good job spurs…

ill start eating now….

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Gee, a big available at 8 would sure be nice right about now before you guys start sucking each others dick.

[Spurs Homer]

Gee, a big available at 8 would sure be nice right about now before you guys start sucking each others dick.

true…

now, im NOT saying the spurs letting a good pg prospect go was great-
but IF they actually had the foresight to let him go because they had their sights on a star PG in the near future..


well i got to give credit where its due if the spurs planned this….

[Dex]

:lmao This fuckin place is completely special needs

jeebus been keeping receipts :lol well done

[thOOdee]

Fkn lovin this thread :lol

[DAF86]

Everyone that called this a bad move needs to get in here and file their official apologies to Brian.

In my defense (and a lot of other people in this thread) I did say somewhere (maybe even in this same thread) that the only saving grace of this move was using that 20131 pick for an all-star level player. My problem was that I never thought PATFO would have the guts to actually make such a move. :lol

Wright proved me wrong and he earned the benefit of the doubt from me on any future move he makes, tbh.

[Atl Spur]

:lmao This fuckin place is completely special needs

A dish best served frozen….fuck cold!

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true…

now, im NOT saying the spurs letting a good pg prospect go was great-
but IF they actually had the foresight to let him go because they had their sights on a star PG in the near future..


well i got to give credit where its due if the spurs planned this….
The Spurs found out Fox was a realistic option not long before the rest of us did. They had plenty of resources to facilitate a trade. And there are a few guys who people on this board were interested in at 8 who would have helped fill out this young roster for a playoff run.

[ambchang]

Wait until that 20131 pick turns out to be #1 pick for a generational player. :lol

[spursparker9]

We have could taken Ware the mini Wemby with this pick and solved the backup Center issue

[RC_Drunkford]

We have could taken Ware the mini Wemby with this pick and solved the backup Center issue

we got Fox now though

[rankingtear]

We have could taken Ware the mini Wemby with this pick and solved the backup Center issue

That is a legit dilemma.

[Atl Spur]

You can’t make this shit up! lol