Spurs Select Rob Dillingham 8th Overall in the 2024 NBA Draft

[BatManu20]

...and immediately trade his ass to Minnesota :lol.

[Rocalcio]

He’s traded to Minny

[BatManu20]

...and we're trading him to fucking Minny :lol. Of course

[ace3g]

better me more than that...








https://x.com/wojespn/status/1806130909072023653

[stnick2261]

Don’t we already have a 2030 pick swap? or am I wrong?

[BatManu20]

Worst fucking trade ever are you kidding me Brian Wrong :lmao :lmao

[spurraider21]

fuck this fucking GM

this is incompetence

[poopbox]

I know these fucking retards did not trade rob for a pick 5 years from now. Wright probably won't have a job by then

[mexicanjunior]

Gave him away for nothing...fucking stupid.

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Lame. Two picks should have been the price.

[BacktoBasics]

I imagine they’re stockpiling for a bridges type trade or to move up next year into a much deeper draft.

[ace3g]

This better be part of a bigger deal, don't even get a player back...

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[BacktoBasics]

I’m disappointed because I like Dilly. Could reemerge for Carter or Matas.

[vy65]

fuck this fucking GM

this is incompetence

Hey man. ANT will be 28/29 then. He’ll probably be washed ….

[YoungbuckMurray]

If this isn’t ammo to add an impact player now then this trade is so bad

[YoungbuckMurray]

If this isn’t ammo to add an impact player now then this trade is so bad

[CGD]

Damn, I was excited for my thread name idea.

“The Fiesta Texas Fright Fest Skelton Crew Tryout Room of Robert Dillingham.”

So long fleeting friend!

[widowmaker]

What a stupid fucking pick and even dumber fucking trade. Could have just picked up Carter.

[LeBowen]

I'd be somewhat fine with the trade if it was any other player, but I wanted Dillingham.

Hopefully that pick is used for an actual player who's in the league right now.

[DAF86]

Way to kill the buzz PATFO. Smh :bang

[mudyez]

Since it's the Wolves, this could turn out very nicely (imagine Minnesota and Dallas sucking by then).

Also didn't want the Tre, Wesley, Castle, Dillingham clusterfuck...if anything it should have been Buzz/Cody/Knecht

[Notorious H.O.P.]

Hoping they have a deal in place for the 21 or 22 pick in exchange for second rounders.

[Chinook]

fuck this fucking GM

this is incompetence

Seems pretty clear that if they had gotten Risacher, they would've taken Carter at 8, but once they missed out on Salaun and already had Castle, they saw no reason to stay in the draft. It's just gross. I don't mind that the Spurs are trying to have extra picks deep into the future, but that should be part of an opportunistic deal, not trading major assets.

I'm not mad if this means the Spurs are going to look to fill the roster with vets. I personally favored a hybrid approach, but whatever. But if they're just keeping a spot for another cast-off or slow-start pick from years ago, I'll be very disappointed.

[ace3g]

Oh yay, we have around 7 million more in cap space.

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[BackHome]

Lol - Someone jumped the gun

[alfahdlan]

at least send us slomo

[spurraider21]

worst gut punch since 6

[jeebus]

Looks like they weren't impressed with anyone left on the board, so they traded it. Fine with that. Don't want a lightweight midget getting skullfucked by anyone over 170 lbs on the team anyways. Can't wait for the kid to beef up on Whataburger if they're in win now mode

[Uriel]

Poor Dillingham. Wanted so badly to be a Spur and fulfilled his dream for just a few minutes.

[BatManu20]

I hope Dillingham drops 50 on our fucking heads every time we play Minnesota tbh.

[DAF86]

So let me get this right, the Spurs just traded the 8th pick for what probably is gonna be a late 20's pick and an equally shitty draft swap? :lol

[The Truth #6]

Hopefully a pick to be used next season in a trade.

[Mr. Body]

Minnesota is going to shred us.

[Degoat]

Unless these picks are being used in a trade for a star level player this is absolutely ridiculous!!

[Chinook]

My issue is that the Spurs can act like White and Murray validate their potential strategy of targeting taller guards. But a) Those selections were great in no small part because of how late they were and b) It took them years to show their true worth, c) As good as they are, the Spurs should have been hoping for higher with their picks. If Castle ends up being another DeJounte Murray, this wasn't the pick they needed. The process of taking taller players and forcing them to be PGs has failed a lot more often than it's worked, and even when it works, the results are still players struggling to address major flaws. For the same reason why DeJounte wasn't a great player to bring back, Castle can't be the best answer they have to address the need for dynamism on the perimeter. That was Dillingham's strength, and given that the team seemingly didn't like anyone else at eight, it would have made sense to just take him and figure it out.

The last time I saw a trade gut punch like this, it was Mikal Bridges to Philly. That trade didn't work out for the Sixers, and it's hard to see this one working for the Spurs.

[Dex]

Brian Wright won't even be the fucking GM in 7 years...we can only hope

[z0sa]

Surely Spurs could've gotten more? Only time will tell, but this rings of overreacting (needing picks for a key player) to the Bridges trade, imho.

[BatManu20]

Only way this is salvageable is if we use that pick to trade for a star player tbh. If our plan is to actually wait until 2031 to draft a Rookie to help Victor, this is the worst trade in Spurs history :lol

[AusSpur]

Trade looks pretty good to me.

A guy how is probably around the 15th pick in a regular draft for an unprotected 1st and swap 6 years down the track.

Minny might still have Edwards, but Gobert, Conley, Towns should all be gone and the franchise is traditionally horrible.

[DAF86]

They couldn't even ask for 27 back in this draft? The worst thing is that Dilly was the perfect safety net in case Castle doesn't pan out.

[NASpurs]

Nothing like trading a guy who may drop 50 on you to a possible rival.

[timtonymanu]

All that talk about “spurs are tanking for this draft :cry” and they end up trading one of their lottery picks for nothing in return.why is Wrong still here, tbh?

[SpursFan86]

Unreal. Literally had one of my most preferred combo of draft picks just to find out we traded him for a pick 7 years from now :lmao

[slick'81]

Meh

[poopbox]

I imagine they’re stockpiling for a bridges type trade or to move up next year into a much deeper draft.

Nobody is trading picks in a loaded 2025 draft for some picks 6 and 7 years from now :lmao

[Chinook]

Brian Wright won't even be the fucking GM in 7 years...we can only hope

I was just saying on RGM that this feels very much like a Hinkie move. Just that constant need to add assets with no real concept of what they're for. Hinkie got shitcanned after years of mismanaging the roster for the purpose to getting those picks. Wright needs to either show he can do something with them or get shitcanned himself. Picking a guy with an uphill battle to be a PG is not going to cut it.

[NASpurs]

So they traded this 8th pick to a possible late 20s pick. Makes sense.

[timtonymanu]

Brian Wright won't even be the fucking GM in 7 years...we can only hope

I hope he’s not even with the team by tomorrow

[mudyez]

After checking it really is a '30 swap and '31frp (and not vice versa)...so can anyone tell me how two swaps in one year (Dallas) work if we are better than both teams? We clearly get the most favourable, but are we doing Dallas a favour if they land between Minnesota and us?

[timtonymanu]

Not even the sniffers can put dis one

[slick'81]

Meh

[Degoat]

Why do the Twolves always fleece us, they took our early 2nd rounder last year too

[Obstructed_View]

His family was all excited to go to the Spurs. Going to the Wolves is a pretty nice consolation prize.

[vy65]

Chinook truth-bombing Dresden in here, and it’s so fucking depressing. It’d be one thing if this is a part of a larger trade, but I seriously doubt it is. It’s just so fucking aimless. I’d rather have Castle and Dilly than Blake and fucking Granham, and we went with the latter, of course

[SpurSpike]

I was so happy when we drafted Dillingham, im so fucking pissed we traded him.

[Trainwreck2100]

They couldn't even ask for 27 back in this draft? The worst thing is that Dilly was the perfect safety net in case Castle doesn't pan out.

Minny wouldnt do that, the have 1 first round pick now and 1 in 2028, that's it.

[DAF86]

Dillingham could easily win RoY next season, tbh. I'd love it just to humble these fucking morons a little.

[objective]

A true disaster and proof we have idiots in charge

Clearly after Salaun got sniped, as has been rumoured for days, they had no plan B and took an absolute shit deal and likely lost value, just like when they traded 33 to Minnesota last year. Connelly is clearly the Ainge to Wright's Billy King

IF THEIR BOARD WAS SO DAMN SHALLOW THEY SHOULD HAVE BUNDLED 4 & 8 TO MOVE UP

How many years does Wemby have to wait to get talent next to him? Until his next damn team?

[z0sa]

Gotta prepare for when Wemby leaves the team tbh

[TheChillFactor]

https://www.livescience.com/15821-cookie-test-control.html

This thread perfectly explains why most of yall didnt finish college

[DAF86]

Minny wouldnt do that, the have 1 first round pick now and 1 in 2028, that's it.

They just got the 8th fucking pick with a guy that will be on the short list for RoY. If they don't give you 27, don't fucking trade with them, tbh.

[Dingle Barry]

Brian Wright is a fucking joke. Hopefully this will finally kill the extremely outdated "the Spurs are draft wizards" meme.

[SpursFan86]

We won’t do shit in free agency either :lol Wouldn’t be surprised if we traded 35 too.

[r0drig0lac]

R.I.P

[100%duncan]

I have been lurking since we got the #1 pick last year but haven't really found the need to go back and comment until this moment.

Unless I see a Trae Young trade notification this offseason using these 2 picks, this trade is going to go down as one of the worst in this franchise's history. Traded the best offensive player in the lottery after having drafted the best defender already in Castle, for 2030 and 2031 draft picks. 2030-2031, that's going to be smack dab in the middle of Wemby's peak. Just fucking unfathomable.

Hell Salaun would have been better than this. If these picks aren't used for a big trade, fuck you Brian Wrong.

[Dingle Barry]

I'll be shocked if this isn't the first time a top 10 pick has been traded for a pick more than 5 years in the future. I know it's a weak draft, but it's still a horrible fucking return.

[3&D_TBH]

Spurs made a grownup move and y’all losing y’all’s minds. �� spurs clearly stacking assets for moves during a shit draft and y’all are prisoners of the moment.

[SpurSpike]

I was so happy when we drafted Dillingham, im so fucking pissed we traded him.

[Death In June]

The only way this is redeemable is if you’re getting Marakenen. Wright has thus far had a horrible track record when it comes to drafting. Throw your fucking picks at Utah if you don’t know what to do with them.

[YoungbuckMurray]

Fucking hurrendous trade if it isn’t connected to another move for a more win now player. Idiotic

[weeks]

Spurs made a grownup move and y’all losing y’all’s minds. �� spurs clearly stacking assets for moves during a shit draft and y’all are prisoners of the moment.

Sup Brian?

[TimDunkem]

Spurs made a grownup move and y’all losing y’all’s minds. �� spurs clearly stacking assets for moves during a shit draft and y’all are prisoners of the moment.

It will be an awful move if they don't package them for something on Wemby's timeline. Who do you see them packaging the picks for?

[JuneJive]

Ya'll are pretty short-sighted.

They won't use those picks to draft players.

They will be used in trades to bolster the team around Wemby.

When and for whom, we don't know but it's definetly going to happen.

[benefactor]

This is going to be a better bump than the gutless worms thread

[DAF86]

Last rant post before I try to focus on a more positive note and head to the Castle thread:

What was the fucking point of threading the needle with the Raptors trade if you are going to devalue it by trading it away 7 years from now? I can't wait for 31 when we trade the 29th Minnesota pick for 2 second round picks, tbh.

[drpill]

Unbelievable. I really thought they had done it, only to see that they had traded him, and then for this? I agree, no plan B after Salaun, which is fucking sad. I do expect Rob Dillingham to destroy us for years, including in 2031.

[vy65]

Ya'll are pretty short-sighted.

They won't use those picks to draft players.

They will be used in trades to bolster the team around Wemby.

When and for whom, we don't know but it's definetly going to happen.

Tell us who is available, fits the timeline, and is a needle mover.

[Das Texan]

If Dillingham scores 50 points in a game he will give up 70 in return so its all good.

Amazing, Spurs trade a top 10 pick in an awful draft who doesnt have any idea of the concept of defense and get back some potential home run assets in a few years in a draft that surely cant be as bad as this draft.

A top 14 pick then might be equal or better to pick 8 in this damn draft.

Nice.

[Das Texan]

If Dillingham scores 50 points in a game he will give up 70 in return so its all good.

Amazing, Spurs trade a top 10 pick in an awful draft who doesnt have any idea of the concept of defense and get back some potential home run assets in a few years in a draft that surely cant be as bad as this draft.

A top 14 pick then might be equal or better to pick 8 in this damn draft.

Nice.

[TekXX]

This is a finiancial move. There were rumors the Spurs didn't want to pay for two lottery picks so why not bail when you're picks get ruined and pay down your stupid country club for rich people. This organization is rudderless and can't make a big move to save their life. If i'm Wemby i put pressure on this team to start building now and stop fucking around. RIP to all the guys in this thread who will be dead by the time these picks convey.

[Vic Petro]

More ammo for Traore

[TimDunkem]

People keep saying "surely" 2031 will be better than 2024.

I hear you all.

But how do you know this? No one knows that.

[Dex]

Ya'll are pretty short-sighted.

They won't use those picks to draft players.

They will be used in trades to bolster the team around Wemby.

When and for whom, we don't know but it's definetly going to happen.

When is the last time the Spurs did a trade that actually improved the team?

Our sweet spot for bringing in talent is the draft and instead we seem content on stockpiling shitty picks and players that we will trade for even shittier picks.

[Mugen]

People keep saying "surely" 2031 will be better than 2024.

I hear you all.

But how do you know this? No one knows that.

And you know the people that know the least about 2030-2031 are the idiots that just traded for it :lol

[poopbox]

They couldn't even ask for 27 back in this draft? The worst thing is that Dilly was the perfect safety net in case Castle doesn't pan out.

That's my problem. Spurs put all they point guard eggs into the guard who can't shoot basket. We have seen time and again that the guard who can't shoot...never learns how to shoot.

Even if you "don't like any player in this draft" there is no way Dillingham is worse than Branhim who has never once in his career fought past 2 screens or Wesley who has never once in his career played longer than 3 minutes without turning the ball over.

Only thing Spurs had to do to not fuck this draft up is not throw away a pick on something stupid like a pick way into the future. And that's exactly what they did. Should have seen this coming though. Wright has exactly 3 trades worth anything on his resume. Derrick White trade that got use a future first, Dejounte trade that got us future first, and the mavs trade that got us a future first.

I can't even be to hype about drafting Devin, since the guy right after him is a franchise player who has already made an all nba team and gone to a conference finals.

[JuneJive]

When is the last time the Spurs did a trade that actually improved the team?

Our sweet spot for bringing in talent is the draft and instead we seem content on stockpiling shitty picks and players that we will trade for even shittier picks.

Well, now they have Wemby.

What do you think, they are accumulating draft picks just for the sake of it?

They will be used to get someone. I think we all see the logic beh

[Robz4000]

:lol am I the only one happy about this? I like Dilly but they essentially got two unprotected firsts for him from a franchise that's historically a dumpster fire.

[BatManu20]

Lol - Someone jumped the gun

I know. I tried to change it immediately but timvp has it set to where you can't edit posts or titles during the draft :lol

[024]

The trade was objectively a terrible transaction. 2030 and 2031 is so far in the future that they hold so little value today. And one of them is a swap?? Value wise, made much more sense to take a flyer at the 8th even if the Spurs weren't high on anyone.

[TimDunkem]

That's my problem. Spurs put all they point guard eggs into the guard who can't shoot basket. We have seen time and again that the guard who can't shoot...never learns how to shoot.

Even if you "don't like any player in this draft" there is no way Dillingham is worse than Branhim who has never once in his career fought past 2 screens or Wesley who has never once in his career played longer than 3 minutes without turning the ball over.

Only thing Spurs had to do to not fuck this draft up is not throw away a pick on something stupid like a pick way into the future. And that's exactly what they did. Should have seen this coming though. Wright has exactly 3 trades worth anything on his resume. Derrick White trade that got use a future first, Dejounte trade that got us future first, and the mavs trade that got us a future first.

I can't even be to hype about drafting Devin, since the guy right after him is a franchise player who has already made an all nba team and gone to a conference finals.

The only way this is salvageable is if they trade the assets for a player on Wemby's timeline. Seems like the consensus sans the usual suspects of PATFO slurpers saying they can't wait for the "sure-fire amazing 2031 draft".

[BatManu20]

:lol am I the only one happy about this? I like Dilly but they essentially got two unprotected firsts for him from a Franchise that's historically a dumpster fire.

Surely we're moving this pick as part of a trade for another player. Otherwise, this might be the worst trade in Spurs draft history :lol. Ant is going to be 28-29 in 7 years. He'll prob be competing for MVP's or at the very least still in his prime by then.

[Bruno]

Some thoughts :
- Matas Buzelis and Cody Williams were available at #8 and Spurs decided to trade the pick. I don't know what Spurs plan is at SF/PF but they have a big hole in their roster there.
- The idea with Wembanyama being so good was to speed up the rebuilding and this trade do the exact opposite. I really hope Spurs are planing to "tank" again for the 2025 draft.
- Is it good return? It's hard to tell because this draft has been labelled as very weak. The 2030 swap is quite bad because it's a swap with the best of Spurs/Mavs pick.
- The best use of these future picks is some kind of trade for a star down the road. Have Spurs already some serious target(s) and are just stockpiling assets because it's always a good thing to do?

This is trade that is going in the wrong direction and with a questionable return. I don't see how I can like it right now.

[jjspur]

Earlier I had predicted that if the spurs picked the player they wanted at 4 (Castle) , they would really reach or trade the the 8th pick. Seems they did both. 2031 sure is a hell of a reach though. I firmly believe there are two camps in the spurs front office that do drafting, one smart one and one that is dumber than bag of rocks. Apparently the latter traded our #8 pick away.

[Robz4000]

Surely we're moving this pick as part of a trade for another player. Otherwise, this might be the worst trade in Spurs draft history :lol. Ant is going to be 28-29 in 7 years. He'll prob be competing for MVP's or at the very least still in his prime by then.

:lol we both know Ant won't be there by then

[CGD]

Let’s assume I’m inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt on this trade, what I don’t get is why the swap is in the same year (2030) they already have a swap with Dallas? At least get it for a year you don’t have an additional pick/swap already.

[RC_Drunkford]

:lol am I the only one happy about this? I like Dilly but they essentially got two unprotected firsts for him from a franchise that's historically a dumpster fire.

1 pick and 1 swap in a year where we already have a swap. This only makes sense if you put together a trade package where you trade the '31 first and the better or worse of the '30 swap. There's no other reason to have 2 pick swaps in the same year.

[paperboy77]

I imagine they’re stockpiling for a bridges type trade or to move up next year into a much deeper draft.


This is the only logical reason. Something like this.

[Robz4000]

Even then it adds more picks to use to trade for another star down the line.

[Robz4000]

1 pick and 1 swap in a year where we already have a swap. This only makes sense if you put together a trade package where you trade the '31 first and the better or worse of the '30 swap. There's no other reason to have 2 pick swaps in the same year.

They absolutely will trade one of them by then, if not both tbh.

[TekXX]

Some thoughts :
- Matas Buzelis and Cody Williams were available at #8 and Spurs decided to trade the pick. I don't know what Spurs plan is at SF/PF but they have a big hole in their roster there.
- The idea with Wembanyama being so good was to speed up the rebuilding and this trade do the exact opposite. I really hope Spurs are planing to "tank" again for the 2025 draft.
- Is it good return? It's hard to tell because this draft has been labelled as very weak. The 2030 swap is quite bad because it's a swap with the best of Spurs/Mavs pick.
- The best use of these future picks is some kind of trade for a star down the road. Have Spurs already some serious target(s) and are just stockpiling assets because it's always a good thing to do?

This is trade that is going in the wrong direction and with a questionable return. I don't see how I can like it right now.

I'd love to be proven wrong but i don't see the Spurs with any current target so one would assume a stockpile. They have no clue other than just get something to exit this 1st round.

[ambchang]

The spurs could’ve had Cody Williams. Come on.

[objective]

And what is even worse is that half of you think Castle is a good pick. I'm pretty much with Nate Duncan, who in the last week put Castle last on all the prospects they scouted including behind Dillingham and said if the Spurs took Castle it would be a disaster because he couldn't think of a worse fit. Russillo predraft was laughing at the idea of the Spurs repeating their point guard experimental failure from last year

This was a disaster of draft night

[DAF86]

:lol am I the only one happy about this? I like Dilly but they essentially got two unprotected firsts for him from a franchise that's historically a dumpster fire.

I think I read one of them is protected. I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the full details emerge and it's lottery protected, tbh. :lol

[Raven]

loving this :lol

[TimDunkem]

Nate Duncan!

[CGD]

The spurs could’ve had Cody Williams. Come on.

That’s how I feel. Should’ve taken Cody, or hell trade 4/8 for 1 after all. Jeesh.

Only thing I can think of if that they are a landing place for Thobias Harris to address the need at 3

[TekXX]

And what is even worse is that half of you think Castle is a good pick. I'm pretty much with Nate Duncan, who in the last week put Castle last on all the prospects they scouted including behind Dillingham and said if the Spurs took Castle it would be a disaster because he couldn't think of a worse fit. Russillo predraft was laughing at the idea of the Spurs repeating their point guard experimental failure from last year

This was a disaster of draft night

Well that's his opinion and we'll see but considering Wrights history i wouldn't be suprised if he's less than stellar. Spurs don't get credit for backing into an obvious pick in Wemby.

[Cabrito]

Seems like a weak return for the 8th pick but not sure I blame them for not wanting yet another 19 year old.

[Death In June]

Part of me wants to believe there’s a player they have in mind but I also don’t see the Spurs hitting the free agency / trade market hard. They never have. What’s even a tantalizing enough offer for a star player that doesn’t cripple you? Spurs 25, Chi 25, Spurs 27, Min 31 and Keldon?

[paperboy77]

This is a finiancial move. There were rumors the Spurs didn't want to pay for two lottery picks so why not bail when you're picks get ruined and pay down your stupid country club for rich people. This organization is rudderless and can't make a big move to save their life. If i'm Wemby i put pressure on this team to start building now and stop fucking around. RIP to all the guys in this thread who will be dead by the time these picks convey.


Probably right. But 2031? 2030? I'm sure by then we'll... or at least... those still around will be happy but right now? :shootme

[Death In June]

It’s #1 protected

[vy65]

And what is even worse is that half of you think Castle is a good pick. I'm pretty much with Nate Duncan, who in the last week put Castle last on all the prospects they scouted including behind Dillingham and said if the Spurs took Castle it would be a disaster because he couldn't think of a worse fit. Russillo predraft was laughing at the idea of the Spurs repeating their point guard experimental failure from last year

This was a disaster of draft night

They’re net worse shooting wise today than they were last year since Devonte is likely gone.

[Robz4000]

I think I read one of them is protected. I'm gonna laugh my ass off when the full details emerge and it's lottery protected, tbh. :lol

Only #1 protected it looks like

[DAF86]

A couple of years back we got 3 first round picks, of course we didn't trade a single one of those back then.

[Chinook]

The issue with the idea of stacking picks to trade for a star is we just saw how much that costs, and it's way too much. The Spurs got one fifth of a lesser-star package for a top-10 pick. It's not a good trade. Literally taking the best prospect on the board and hoping they become a good player would have made more sense for that purpose.

[tbdog]

I was just saying on RGM that this feels very much like a Hinkie move. Just that constant need to add assets with no real concept of what they're for. Hinkie got shitcanned after years of mismanaging the roster for the purpose to getting those picks. Wright needs to either show he can do something with them or get shitcanned himself. Picking a guy with an uphill battle to be a PG is not going to cut it.

Prestie did the same thing and it's working out. Hickie purposely hacked his team

[baseline bum]

I know these fucking retards did not trade rob for a pick 5 years from now. Wright probably won't have a job by then

Correct, those fucking retards traded him for a pick 7 years from now.

[Rubberducky]

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[scott]

Been thinking about this more... and if there is a trade coming THIS offseason that hinges on these picks (highly doubtful, btw... we have plenty of assets already to pull off any trade we would have wanted... adding a 2031 first isn't going to be the deal maker/breaker)... then I'll take this back.

But this is just bad value. Even if this is a weak draft, the time value deterioration of the the pick coming back (seven years?!? seriously?!?) massive erodes the return. If you told me we were trading #35 for an FRP in 7 years, then I'd understand... but pick 8? Absolutely shameful. On value alone, this is like trading #8 for #27 straight up (which would obviously be a fucking stupid move).

So, like I said, unless there is something else already in the works - then I have a hard time understanding how anyone thought this was a good trade on the surface. PAFTO and Wright have completely lost the plot.

This is being sold as the Spurs "loading up the warchest" - but that TOR pick was already part of the Warchest, and you didn't net any additional selections. Very strong odds that the 2031 pick will be worse than #8.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

[tbdog]

I was just saying on RGM that this feels very much like a Hinkie move. Just that constant need to add assets with no real concept of what they're for. Hinkie got shitcanned after years of mismanaging the roster for the purpose to getting those picks. Wright needs to either show he can do something with them or get shitcanned himself. Picking a guy with an uphill battle to be a PG is not going to cut it.

Prestie did the same thing and it's working out. Hickie purposely hacked his team

[BatManu20]

Looking forward to timvp's Draft Grades thread when he inevitably gives PATFO an A+ anyways tbh :lol

[SpursFan86]

I have no faith that this is part of some master plan to make a big move this offseason. Would love to be proven wrong but I fully expect us to do nothing in the offseason aside from a small move here or there.

“We don’t want to skip steps. Let’s run it back and see what we have with Branham and Wesley.” :pop

[Lebowski Brickowski]

People keep saying "surely" 2031 will be better than 2024.

I hear you all.

But how do you know this? No one knows that.

Not sure but sources tell me Buford/Wright are high on the U12 Boys Academy team in Slovenia.

[vy65]

Been thinking about this more... and if there is a trade coming THIS offseason that hinges on these picks (highly doubtful, btw... we have plenty of assets already to pull off any trade we would have wanted... adding a 2031 first isn't going to be the deal maker/breaker)... then I'll take this back.

But this is just bad value. Even if this is a weak draft, the time value deterioration of the the pick coming back (seven years?!? seriously?!?) massive erodes the return. If you told me we were trading #35 for an FRP in 7 years, then I'd understand... but pick 8? Absolutely shameful. On value alone, this is like trading #8 for #27 straight up (which would obviously be a fucking stupid move).

So, like I said, unless there is something else already in the works - then I have a hard time understanding how anyone thought this was a good trade on the surface. PAFTO and Wright have completely lost the plot.

This is being sold as the Spurs "loading up the warchest" - but that TOR pick was already part of the Warchest, and you didn't net any additional selections. Very strong odds that the 2031 pick will be worse than #8.

Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Didn’t you do an analysis that valued present vs future firsts? My recollection was that future’s diminished in value over time compared to present picks.

[Chinook]

The extra cap space can end up mattering. With the obligatory Graham trade, the team has just shy of $28 Million or basically a Keldon Johnson and Sidy Cissoko away from a Paul George or Jimmy Butler trade. Don't get me wrong -- this draft has deeply shaken my faith that the Spurs intend to maximize talent around Wemby this year. But the extra money could be an edge. It's still not a given the Spurs would even use cap space this year. But they would have an array of options, from providing a pretty big deal if they dump Graham to being able to keep Devonte's contract and still beating the MLE. This was not worth the sacrifice in my mind, but there are still paths forward that do not involve any blockbuster trade.

[Ditty]

I would have been more happy with this trade if we got Minnesota's 27th pick this year also.

Don't think they own their own first round pick until 2028 after this draft.

Think they are really banking on maybe Edwards wanting out of Minny by that time.

KAT will be 35 at that time and Gobert will be 39 if they are even still there.

[LeBowen]

Tbh, Brian Wrong master plan is coming together.

Minnesota crumbles in a couple of years due to Gobert's age and their cap situation, Ant asks out and those two picks put us in the best position to get him.
Or at least Naz Reid...I guess...

[Mikesatx]

*takes balls for a GM to trade 8 for a pick 6-7 years down the road. This to me is a strong signal that the GM is making decisions in the best interest of the team versus worrying about his job

*Wemby will be 26 or 27 when these picks come up. Prime of his career.

*Minny is not a destination city. Good chance that team is crap by then.

*Im sure this has been discussed elsewhere. Kentucky had the 4th and 8th picks coming off their bench last year and still got bounced in the first round by Oakland. Now we think Dilly is the second coming?

*This very easily could be a massively uneven trade in our favor.

[tbdog]

I'm high on this trade. I understand as fans, leading up to two lottery picks, you read, watch, listen to other people's opinion. You grow to like the idea of these players. Truth is, look back early, we didn't like any of these guys.

[HankChinaski]

It is not soo much that #8 was Dilly, I think its the better upshot with other players still available like Williams, Carter, Buzelis. But I also agree they are not that exciting picks for lottery level salary.
My issue was just that they could have gotten more from trading out myself personally. Lets see how the rest of the off-season pans out.

[tbdog]

Also on trade night, Raptors call and say we can have 8 for Poeltl. Twolves and offer that deal, you so take wolves deal.

[TrainOfThought5]

Wake me up from this fucking nightmare

[Trainwreck2100]

This is going to be a better bump than the gutless worms thread

It won't actually, two words "second apron"

[scott]

Didn’t you do an analysis that valued present vs future firsts? My recollection was that future’s diminished in value over time compared to present picks.

I haven't done a scientific analysis on the Time Value of Picks, but absolutely the value diminishes over time, and quite rapidly, honestly. For example, a Top-5 protected FRP a year later was only worth the difference between #3 and #5 in 2018 (See: Doncic-Trae trade). The number 11 pick in 2022 was worth multiple protected FRPs (Osmaine Dienge trade).

Even with the 2031 pick being unprotected, this is atrocious value back for the Spurs. If this were 8 for 27 + the 2030 swap + 2031 FRP, I think it would still be poor value for the Spurs. I'd equate a 2031 FRP, especially once that can be reasonable projected to not be a lotto pick (based on best available information), to late 20s pick in this draft.

We know the value of a 2030 swap, since we already have one. It's worth taking on Reggie Bullock in a salary dump.

The more I analyze this trade, the worse it looks on value. If it ends up being the #1 pick in 2031 it will look like a genius move, but that is confusing process for outcomes (something Brian Wright himself cautioned against in his pre-draft comments). The analytical process that lead to this trade is a complete fail, even if the outcome works out.

[CorrectCrusader]

This was a good trade

[scott]

Also on trade night, Raptors call and say we can have 8 for Poeltl. Twolves and offer that deal, you so take wolves deal.

I would take the Raptors offer, in that case.

The 2030 swap doesn't add much value here. We saw last offseason what a 2030 swap is worth: a salary dump of Reggie Bullock.

We traded an FRP in 2024 for one in 2031. Let's ignore the fact that 2024 was #8 and 2031 projects higher just on odds alone, and say that the picks are equal.

This is like being offered $100 right now or $100 7 years from now. You take the $100 today every time. Maybe the Spurs don't understand the time value of money and that is the problem.

[talkspurs]

Since it is a swap it is not something you could give up in a trade. It would be giving up the spurs pick in which case the team would get the best of ours mavs and wolves pick. Wolves pick in swap is also protected. We can just give some other team to swap with the wolves.

[aissagholi7981]

Great trade. When was the last time a team won with a 6' PG?

[Ariel]

I feel sick. Welp, I'll take a 2031 pick over Salaun I guess.

[DAF86]

The extra cap space can end up mattering. With the obligatory Graham trade, the team has just shy of $28 Million or basically a Keldon Johnson and Sidy Cissoko away from a Paul George or Jimmy Butler trade. Don't get me wrong -- this draft has deeply shaken my faith that the Spurs intend to maximize talent around Wemby this year. But the extra money could be an edge. It's still not a given the Spurs would even use cap space this year. But they would have an array of options, from providing a pretty big deal if they dump Graham to being able to keep Devonte's contract and still beating the MLE. This was not worth the sacrifice in my mind, but there are still paths forward that do not involve any blockbuster trade.

It makes no sense to make a move for a Paul Gerge or a Jimmy Butler. They are old and the Spurs are nowhere close to contention. The only moves that would make sense would be for you star-ish players such as Markkanen and Cunningham. Please no Garland or Young.

[CitizenDwayne]

Just had to log back in to comment on this atrocity.

This is all-time bad. I don’t believe the defenders, you all are coping so hard.

Sure it was a weak draft but if their best offer is 2 picks 7 years away, you say no.

A team in desperate need of shooting gets a guy who could be averaging 15ppg out the gate, and immediately trades him to a conference opponent for picks that are essentially useless right now.

Don’t fool yourselves, this isn’t gathering assets for a trade. I’d love to eat my words but this isn’t a grand plan to get trae, it might however help send Wemby to LA

[LeBowen]

It makes no sense to make a move for a Paul Gerge or a Jimmy Butler. They are old and the Spurs are nowhere close to contention. The only moves that would make sense would be for you star-ish players such as Markkanen and Cunningham. Please no Garland or Young.

Point Castle seems to be the route we'll try to take.
Until (and if) it fails, I don't want to waste assets on any guards.
Needs to be all about wing shooters.
Blow the load on Markkanen, tbh.
But then again, Utah has 15 FRPs up until 2030 and we got no useful players to offer.
Just get a few wings like Cam Johnson so the team is functional and Castle/Wemby can develop.

[DAF86]

We literally traded #8 for nothing to show for the next 6 years.

This is like loaning 500 K to someone and getting paid back in 6 years with minimal to no interest. :lol

[spurraider21]

People keep saying "surely" 2031 will be better than 2024.

I hear you all.

But how do you know this? No one knows that.
to play devils advocate, we have no clue what the 2031 draft looks like. But we know 2024 is historically weak. Odds are it wouldn’t get much worse than this one.

devils advocate over

problem is that wolves pick may end up in the mid or late 20s for all we know. I’ll take #8 now over the randomness of that. Especially on a team devoid of talent.

i also have no clue what happens now with the mavs swap in 2030. Should have swapped a different year at the very least

[callo1]

My biggest problems with the trade are returning value, and getting a guard in early that can grow with Wemby and build that TP/TD chemistry

[SpurSpike]

To those saying these picks are to be used for a trade.... If those picks are so valuable, why would a playoff team like Minnesota use them to draft a prospect and not use them in a trade for a player who can contribute now when they are trying to win?

[spurraider21]

Great trade. When was the last time a team won with a 6' PG?
Ok then draft somebody you believe in like Devin Carter, Cody Williams, etc.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I hope he’s not even with the team by tomorrow


He'll be here as long as Pop is. That's his guy. They sit around, drink wine, and bitch about Trump 24-7. He's got job security as long as the senile old F is around.

[spurraider21]

The only thing Wright has proven he can do is tear down a roster and get assets like Hinkie did. Once we landed wemby we were supposed to move on from that stage.

ok, you spend last offseason waiting and seeing and stacking some more future assets… fine. You declined to trade back up into the first? Fine. You punted your good second rounder for crap future second rounders and then use a late second rounder on a guy who isn’t two-way eligible… urgh… fine

but come the fuck on. It’s time to nut up and actually build a team. Continually punting picks because you’re too scared you might get one wrong tells me you aren’t qualified to be a gm

[Barfunk]

Not gonna pretend etc. etc. but yupp, it looks like Brian Wright fking sucks. I wouldn't be surprised if he was even tempted to not take Wemby. Fking idiot.

[CGD]

Man, Cody mustve had a shitty work out with the Spurs. That's the one that got away I think. I never got the Buzelis link given the Spurs' love for Sochan, and it's clear that Carter was the contingency plan if Castle was not available. I was personally never a Dillingham fan (and was actually annoyed by the pick up until the trade), and a redshirt year for Topic wasnt too appealing either.

Anyway, having the benefit of some space from the selection, i can't hate too much for trading out at 8 as a general matter. I'm still annoyed by the the return however, including layering on a swap in a year they already have the Dallas swap right and/or by not picking up a player.

[Mr. Body]

Man, Cody mustve had a shitty work out with the Spurs. That's the one that got away I think. I never got the Buzelis link given the Spurs' love for Sochan, and it's clear that Carter was the contingency plan if Castle was not available. I was personally never a Dillingham fan (and was actually annoyed by the pick up until the trade), and a redshirt year for Topic wasnt too appealing either.

Anyway, having the benefit of some space from the selection, i can't hate too much for trading out at 8 as a general matter. I'm still annoyed by the the return however, including layering on a swap in a year they already have the Dallas swap right and/or by not picking up a player.

I honestly don't think Cody Williams will be much better than Keita Bates-Diop.

[Davidicus]

I wanted Dilly as much as anyone else, but the more I think about this trade the more it makes sense; at least with the benefit of being able to now infer PATFO intentions.

Ensures 2025 tank
More minutes for Castle to grow
Save on salary cap for vets (we’ll see)
Ubiquitous trade ammo to use starting 2026
Castle is a jump shot away from being our starting PG, I don’t see losing Dilly as that harsh

It’s annoying to kick the can down the road, but this trade is officially an Incomplete until we see what they do with these picks.

[scott]

It makes no sense to make a move for a Paul Gerge or a Jimmy Butler. They are old and the Spurs are nowhere close to contention. The only moves that would make sense would be for you star-ish players such as Markkanen and Cunningham. Please no Garland or Young.

I agree, Markkanen and Cunningham are more the kinds of trade targets that makes sense - but they don't need the capspace that Chinook describes, so I'm of the opinion that there is no such master plan. The Spurs just bailed because they didn't get their preferred target - which speaks to a lack of preparation more than anything else.

[CitizenDwayne]

I wanted Dilly as much as anyone else, but the more I think about this trade the more it makes sense; at least with the benefit of being able to now infer PATFO intentions.

Ensures 2025 tank
More minutes for Castle to grow
Save on salary cap for vets (we’ll see)
Ubiquitous trade ammo to use starting 2026
Castle is a jump shot away from being our starting PG, I don’t see losing Dilly as that harsh

It’s annoying to kick the can down the road, but this trade is officially an Incomplete until we see what they do with these picks.

Why do we have to ensure a 2025 tank though? We’ve been tanking. At what point does the FO attempt to build a winning team? Where does it end? It’s exhausting as a fan

And if you wanted Dilly how can you support trading him for picks that far in the future? That’s a laughable return

Sorry not trying to target you specifically…just fuming right now

[scott]

We literally traded #8 for nothing to show for the next 6 years.

This is like loaning 500 K to someone and getting paid back in 6 years with minimal to no interest. :lol

Absolutely the proper way to look at this... though it's actually more like negative interest. Utter failure.

[djohn2oo8]

I wanted Dilly as much as anyone else, but the more I think about this trade the more it makes sense; at least with the benefit of being able to now infer PATFO intentions.

Ensures 2025 tank
More minutes for Castle to grow
Save on salary cap for vets (we’ll see)
Ubiquitous trade ammo to use starting 2026
Castle is a jump shot away from being our starting PG, I don’t see losing Dilly as that harsh

It’s annoying to kick the can down the road, but this trade is officially an Incomplete until we see what they do with these picks.
Spurs need to make an attempt at winning or at least improving in the win category this year. A second straight tank, doesn’t seem Victor would like.

[vy65]

Does anyone think that the 2031 pick actually gets used any time soon. With Castle on board, does it make sense to target a Garland, Trae, or DJM? I think Carter will (inadvisedly) spend time at the 1, at least partially as Tre’s backup. Does that make Blake a backup 2 and Branham a backup 3? Even assuming Carter splits time at both guard spots, you still have those two other dumbfucks. Why would you add any of those three to the mix (assuming they’re not going out in a trade). And that’s to say nothing of whether those trades are good moves in the first place.

So if it’s not a guard prospect, who is available. Ingram? I’d love Lauri, but don’t think he’s available. Bridges has already been traded, so he’s a no-go. Levine, aside from being horrible, is another guard. I’m struggling to see who would be a more or less immediately candidate as a potential trade target that would fit the massive hole we have at the forward spot. Much less someone who would help shore up the shooting the team desperately needs.

The only justification of this trade that makes it not abortion-tier is that there’s another transaction waiting in the offing that needs some additional draft capital. I don’t see that deal being there. So that leaves us with a GM who’s just stockpiling picks, tanking for yet another year, burning the goodwill of a generational talent, and not having anything resembling a plan or a design in mind. Please help me out to see what I’m missing here, because this has the all the trappings of a GM who has not the slightest fucking clue on how to build a team - which couldn’t be worse when you have a Wemby on your roster.

[scott]

The only thing Wright has proven he can do is tear down a roster and get assets like Hinkie did. Once we landed wemby we were supposed to move on from that stage.

ok, you spend last offseason waiting and seeing and stacking some more future assets… fine. You declined to trade back up into the first? Fine. You punted your good second rounder for crap future second rounders and then use a late second rounder on a guy who isn’t two-way eligible… urgh… fine

but come the fuck on. It’s time to nut up and actually build a team. Continually punting picks because you’re too scared you might get one wrong tells me you aren’t qualified to be a gm

Minnesota's GM Is feasting on Brian Wright the last few years, tbh

[vy65]

I agree, Markkanen and Cunningham are more the kinds of trade targets that makes sense - but they don't need the capspace that Chinook describes, so I'm of the opinion that there is no such master plan. The Spurs just bailed because they didn't get their preferred target - which speaks to a lack of preparation more than anything else.

It’s almost like they don’t know what a big board is, much less bother making one.

[vander]

Great trade. When was the last time a team won with a 6' PG?
Minnesota winning it all next year

[Extra Stout]

Spurs need to make an attempt at winning or at least improving in the win category this year. A second straight tank, doesn’t seem Victor would like.
They realistically have one more year to build a credible core. After probably punting this offseason, it’s 2025 or bust.

[Davidicus]

Why do we have to ensure a 2025 tank though? We’ve been tanking. At what point does the FO attempt to build a winning team? Where does it end? It’s exhausting as a fan

And if you wanted Dilly how can you support trading him for picks that far in the future? That’s a laughable return

Sorry not trying to target you specifically…just fuming right now

I get it. Everything I’ve read on this forum and the internet says 2025 draft is very loaded and deep. I think end of next season we hit the giant green GO button - draft high quality players and trade for known commodities.

[Ditty]

This will sure be an entertaining thread all summer :lol

[Davidicus]

Spurs need to make an attempt at winning or at least improving in the win category this year. A second straight tank, doesn’t seem Victor would like.

There’s a video or two out there where he states he understands the long term strategy and is on board. I’m sure Pop and everyone sat him down and layed it all out for him.

[DAF86]

Absolutely the proper way to look at this... though it's actually more like negative interest. Utter failure.

Inflation is what would provoke the negative return in my analogy, tbh. :lol

[Darkwaters]

I get it. Everything I’ve read on this forum and the internet says 2025 draft is very loaded and deep. I think end of next season we hit the giant green GO button - draft high quality players and trade for known commodities.

I think you're exactly correct. With four potential 1st rounders next draft (two guaranteed from our own and Atlanta) we could get two bites at the lottery apple.

And considering all of the future assets we have we could easily see the Spurs go into the next offseason primed to make a large move or two.

[scott]

Man, Cody mustve had a shitty work out with the Spurs. That's the one that got away I think. I never got the Buzelis link given the Spurs' love for Sochan, and it's clear that Carter was the contingency plan if Castle was not available. I was personally never a Dillingham fan (and was actually annoyed by the pick up until the trade), and a redshirt year for Topic wasnt too appealing either.

Anyway, having the benefit of some space from the selection, i can't hate too much for trading out at 8 as a general matter. I'm still annoyed by the the return however, including layering on a swap in a year they already have the Dallas swap right and/or by not picking up a player.

I don't hate the concept of laying on swaps. In theory, the 2030 Spurs FRP is more valuable now because has even yet another chance of being very good. In theory (I haven't done the exact math but this is an approximation), if you assume equal odds of any team being bad far our in the future, and went and acquired swaps for around 20 teams, you'd have upwards of a 90% chance of acquiring a Top 4 pick. Not saying you would actually do this... just laying out the mathematical theory behind adding more swaps to a single year.

With that said, we already know the EXACT value of a 2030 Swap: it's worth a Reggie Bullock salary dump (so, not much).

I don't even hate the idea of kicking the can down the road... this is just such a horrendous return on value that it signals a completely lack of preparedness on behalf of the FO. It's frankly quite disgusting.

Castle + Dilly was a great draft. Castle + any of the other players taken from 8-20 would have been better than this, IMO. I'd be happier with Castle + Edey or Castle + Jaylon Tyson than this.

Our team needs to inject talent, but we decided to pass on the opportunity to do so. Mind boggling.

[BatManu20]

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[vy65]

I think you're exactly correct. With four potential 1st rounders next draft (two guaranteed from our own and Atlanta) we could get two bites at the lottery apple.

And considering all of the future assets we have we could easily see the Spurs go into the next offseason primed to make a large move or two.

Yeah, because the last time they had two bites at the top-10 pick apple, they took the picks.

[Light]

I agree, Markkanen and Cunningham are more the kinds of trade targets that makes sense - but they don't need the capspace that Chinook describes, so I'm of the opinion that there is no such master plan. The Spurs just bailed because they didn't get their preferred target - which speaks to a lack of preparation more than anything else.

How so?

[scott]

1806171626725322804

Sounds like Brian Wright is completely unaware that outside of Wemby, he has one of the least talented rosters in the league.

[scott]

How so?

I say that because it seems like they didn't have a backup play for Salaun not being there at 8. If they didn't, they wouldn't have had to take a major discount on value like they did. This was a bail-out trade because they didn't have a backup plan, in my opinion. It's not like someone came to them with a great deal they couldn't pass up.

[Mr. Body]

It's kind of funny though that so many on this board hated Dillingham before the draft but suddenly are his biggest adherents.

[z0sa]

1806171626725322804

Answer doesn’t make any sense.. we haven’t made the playoffs in 5 years. What are you smoking dude?

[Mr. Body]

I say that because it seems like they didn't have a backup play for Salaun not being there at 8. If they didn't, they wouldn't have had to take a major discount on value like they did. This was a bail-out trade because they didn't have a backup plan, in my opinion. It's not like someone came to them with a great deal they couldn't pass up.

It's impossible to think they didn't have a back-up for Salaun. They just judged the trade better than what was available.

[CGD]

Yeah, because the last time they had two bites at the top-10 pick apple, they took the picks.


We cant bitch and moan for a month that this is a shitty draft, and then also be mad that they happened to agree with us and traded out of 8.

I dont mind trading out in principle, but my gripe is the return which leaves me really wanting.

[Davidicus]

One other item to potentially infer with PATFO’s mindset - this trade feels like they want to make surefire moves for Wemby, no risks. Feels like they don’t want to draft question marks and pray a couple work out for Wemby. 2025 draft probably much safer in that regard. Castle was one of the most known commodities of this draft, outside of say Clingan or Edey. I don’t think they ever wanted Dilly, they had that trade tee’d up with the TeeWolves (teehe) the whole time. Dilly and everyone else available probably too unknown and expensive for that 8 spot. And not as valuable to them as 2030 swap and 2031 picks to use in a big trade for a known commodity (that’s still within Vic timeline).

Just a thought, will be interesting to see this develop over FA and next couple years.

[Borosai]

Just weak. A team with an impressive lack of basketball talent chooses to remain that way. Another soft tank it is then.

[vy65]

We cant bitch and moan for a month that this is a shitty draft, and then also be mad that they happened to agree with us and traded out of 8.

I dont mind trading out in principle, but my gripe is the return which leaves me really wanting.

I don’t think this was a shitty draft for the 6-14 range. I think Dilly or Cody or Carter could have provided value and moved this team forward. I’m not interested in waiting 7 years before an effort is made to make this team good or in some hypothetical trade that won’t ever materialize.

[TeKu]

Absolutely the proper way to look at this... though it's actually more like negative interest. Utter failure.

The $$ now versus $$ later, time value of money thing doesn't really apply here sorry. The constraints with any NBA roster are talent within a limited number of roster spots and capspace. You can't just keep all players forever. Juggling those roster constraints does have a time variable.

For better/worse they didn't like the unknown/unproven use of pick/roster spot/capspace now and traded out, which makes it impossible to grade now on value. I believe the average value of a draft pick actually drops most once that pick has been made, as the unknown variable disappears. But yeah, we will all watch that value with Dillingham closely now!

[Chinook]

It makes no sense to make a move for a Paul Gerge or a Jimmy Butler. They are old and the Spurs are nowhere close to contention. The only moves that would make sense would be for you star-ish players such as Markkanen and Cunningham. Please no Garland or Young.

Mark and Cun2 are worse options, though we've already said out pieces on that. The Spurs are not a contender and need to acquire players with these next two or three years in mind, not five to seven years down the road. There's little question who are the better options for that stretch, both in terms of cost and production.

[Light]

I say that because it seems like they didn't have a backup play for Salaun not being there at 8. If they didn't, they wouldn't have had to take a major discount on value like they did. This was a bail-out trade because they didn't have a backup plan, in my opinion. It's not like someone came to them with a great deal they couldn't pass up.

IF Salaun was the target, I think the backup plan was to trade the pick; which is what they did.

[flox]

Thrilled. With how weak this draft is, I'd much have the future picks over the current value pick. Using the Pelton draft chart, we gave up 2040 points in a weak draft for an asset that could be worth 640-4000 points in the 2031 draft, and a right to swap to an asset that could be between 740-3060 points in the 2030 draft. Given how weak this draft was, and the best case scenario being a good player that we would have to pay in the max to in the 30-31 season, I'd much rather have this outcome. Great job! The potential future outcomes greatly outweigh the present value out of the pick clearly in my book.

[CitizenDwayne]

It's impossible to think they didn't have a back-up for Salaun. They just judged the trade better than what was available.

And that judgment should be worrisome to you. These picks are worthless now. Rob is a high floor guy who can contribute now. We can’t act like their talent eval is top shelf these days. I just don’t get why some fans are so eager to give the FO a pass here. This is what loser franchises do

[DAF86]

Mark and Cun2 are worse options, though we've already said out pieces on that. The Spurs are not a contender and need to acquire players with these next two or three years in mind, not five to seven years down the road. There's little question who are the better options for that stretch, both in terms of cost and production.

Why?

Why spend assets on past-primes players that might help us make the playoffs, but will not help us ring? What do you gain from that, other than missing out on a top prospect from the 2025 draft?

If we are not getting a star that fits Wemby's timeline, I would rather keep developing Vassell, Sochan, Wemby and now Castle, and get a top prospect in 25.

After that, yeah, go make all the win-now moves you like.

[DAF86]

Thrilled. With how weak this draft is, I'd much have the future picks over the current value pick. Using the Pelton draft chart, we gave up 2040 points in a weak draft for an asset that could be worth 640-4000 points in the 2031 draft, and a right to swap to an asset that could be between 740-3060 points in the 2030 draft. Given how weak this draft was, and the best case scenario being a good player that we would have to pay in the max to in the 30-31 season, I'd much rather have this outcome. Great job! The potential future outcomes greatly outweigh the present value out of the pick clearly in my book.

All these low post accounts that popped up to justify the trade are very sketchy. I'll bet a couple are from people within the organization, tbh. :lol

[vy65]

And that judgment should be worrisome to you. These picks are worthless now. Rob is a high floor guy who can contribute now. We can’t act like their talent eval is top shelf these days. I just don’t get why some fans are so eager to give the FO a pass here. This is what loser franchises do

This.

[scott]

The $$ now versus $$ later, time value of money thing doesn't really apply here sorry. The constraints with any NBA roster are talent within a limited number of roster spots and capspace. You can't just keep all players forever. Juggling those roster constraints does have a time variable.

For better/worse they didn't like the unknown/unproven use of pick/roster spot/capspace now and traded out, which makes it impossible to grade now on value. I believe the average value of a draft pick actually drops most once that pick has been made, as the unknown variable disappears. But yeah, we will all watch that value with Dillingham closely now!

In this case, the Spurs are constrained by neither.

The way to grade this trade is not Dillingham versus whomever is taken in 2031. It must be evaluated on the relative value of the picks today, in which case the Spurs got absolutely fleeced. The 2031 pick may end up being the greatest player of all time, in which case it will seem like a great trade - but in reality it will still have been a bad trade at the time, just one that got bailed out by luck. The Spurs have no way of knowing 1) how good the Wolves will be in 7 years 2) how the lotto balls will bounce if they are lucky enough for the pick to be in the lotto or 3) the quality of the talent available in 7 years. The literal only way for this to work out on value for the Spurs is pure luck. Any theoretical trade the Spurs might make with this pick could have been made without this pick. There is no deal that hinges upon the Spurs throwing in the 2031 Wolves pick.

[scott]

IF Salaun was the target, I think the backup plan was to trade the pick; which is what they did.

And they got horrible value in return for. Hence, the comment about a lack of preparation.

It's like going to buy steaks with $100 bill... and then coming home with $20 of ground beef that you paid $100 for because the shopkeeper couldn't make change.

[tbdog]

I would take the Raptors offer, in that case.

The 2030 swap doesn't add much value here. We saw last offseason what a 2030 swap is worth: a salary dump of Reggie Bullock.

We traded an FRP in 2024 for one in 2031. Let's ignore the fact that 2024 was #8 and 2031 projects higher just on odds alone, and say that the picks are equal.

This is like being offered $100 right now or $100 7 years from now. You take the $100 today every time. Maybe the Spurs don't understand the time value of money and that is the problem.

That's a strawman argument. And your value is wrong. Spurs are betting that Twolves picks will be strong twice by then. Also consider money saved now could mean different positives, either one bullock type deal, or getting one or two players the spurs actually like via free agency or trade.

[scott]

Thrilled. With how weak this draft is, I'd much have the future picks over the current value pick. Using the Pelton draft chart, we gave up 2040 points in a weak draft for an asset that could be worth 640-4000 points in the 2031 draft, and a right to swap to an asset that could be between 740-3060 points in the 2030 draft. Given how weak this draft was, and the best case scenario being a good player that we would have to pay in the max to in the 30-31 season, I'd much rather have this outcome. Great job! The potential future outcomes greatly outweigh the present value out of the pick clearly in my book.

Let's go by Pelton's chart.

You give up 2040 points today.

Here is an article that lays out the historical outcome for Swaps. They usually end up having the value of the 36th pick in the draft. https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/10/12/23399637/nba-draft-swap-picks So there is 540 points.

The 31 pick may be worth 640-4000... what you are leaving out is that every year into the future significantly reduces the point value of picks.

In reality, you just traded 2040 points for around 500-700 points. Great job.

[TekXX]

We drafted Rob for Minnesota; I'm guessing he wasn't going to be drafted after we drafted Castle. It will be interesting to see next season who we missed out on in the rest of the 1st round because our FO deemed no one worth drafting.

[TekXX]

That's a strawman argument. And your value is wrong. Spurs are betting that Twolves picks will be strong twice by then. Also consider money saved now could mean different positives, either one bullock type deal, or getting one or two players the spurs actually like via free agency or trade.

I doubt the Spurs have any idea or even give a crap where Minnesota will be in 2030, this was about saving money next year.

[TrainOfThought5]

It's kind of funny though that so many on this board hated Dillingham before the draft but suddenly are his biggest adherents.

regardless if Dilly is your preferred pick or not, we all agree we need immediate shooting, penetration, and self creation help and Dilly has all that in Spades. At the very very least we need an elite spark plug off the bench and Dilly could’ve solved that this year. They fucked up by trading him. Plain and simple.

[Mikesatx]

Been around a long time. Enjoy reading the messages but don’t post often. Throughout the entire process developed no real strong hope one way or another other than wanting Castle, which was why all the opinions and takes were so interesting. I’m sure you noticed when they flashed the Spurs think tank RC and Pop were there. I wasn’t 100% sure but I thought I saw Timmy there too. I really don’t think Wright is calling on the shots at this point. Like everything else for the Spurs it looks like a grooming process. If I’m correct I trust RC & Pop.

[vy65]

I doubt the Spurs have any idea or even give a crap where Minnesota will be in 2030, this was about saving money next year.

And that’s fucking scary

[lefty]

Dillingham sucks

[flox]

Let's go by Pelton's chart.

You give up 2040 points today.

Here is an article that lays out the historical outcome for Swaps. They usually end up having the value of the 36th pick in the draft. https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/10/12/23399637/nba-draft-swap-picks So there is 540 points.

The 31 pick may be worth 640-4000... what you are leaving out is that every year into the future significantly reduces the point value of picks.

In reality, you just traded 2040 points for around 500-700 points. Great job.

I replied in the other thread but you and Kram are fundamentally misrepresenting the value of a swap. Both of you are only looking at it from a value at execution rather than the added value of the options contract itself. Yes we will be paying for time decay, but given what 2040 points buys us today, I'm fine taking the risk. The floor value is 640, the ceiling value is 7060. 100% fine with that investment.

[objective]

Why would anyone look to the 2025 draft as the saving grace when it's still the same people in charge evaluating prospects and making picks?

If they don't win the lottery and have the consensus prospect made obvious to them, why on earth would anyone have faith in them being able to identify and draft appropriately?

they learned nothing from Primo, probably still tell themselves that they were 100% right on the basketball only to be screwed over by bad luck off the court behavior.

These guys don't know what they're doing

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I hope Dillingham drops 50 on our fucking heads every time we play Minnesota tbh.

Not enough balls to go around. KAT and Ant will already do 90 on us

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And what is even worse is that half of you think Castle is a good pick. I'm pretty much with Nate Duncan, who in the last week put Castle last on all the prospects they scouted including behind Dillingham and said if the Spurs took Castle it would be a disaster because he couldn't think of a worse fit. Russillo predraft was laughing at the idea of the Spurs repeating their point guard experimental failure from last year

This was a disaster of draft night

I co-sign this post

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Starting to think BWrong is out of his element.

[SpursGenius]

The issue with the idea of stacking picks to trade for a star is we just saw how much that costs, and it's way too much. The Spurs got one fifth of a lesser-star package for a top-10 pick. It's not a good trade. Literally taking the best prospect on the board and hoping they become a good player would have made more sense for that purpose.
yup one of these players could have easily turned into a Bridges type player. The 2031 pick likely wont even be top 10. We got fleeced. Atleast make Wolves pay and get two legit first rounders and not swaps.

[DAF86]

Everyfuckingbody is clowning PATFO. I hope this becomes a Worldwide thing and these fuckers take notice.

live/hLei91FrPZM?si=yiwjpsMg9RQ37qxT

[scott]

Starting to think BWrong is out of his element.

His post draft comment that someone posted earlier is troubling on two fronts

1) the idea that it's "usually a good idea to add future draft capital" can be extended to infinity, where we never actually add players or use the assets - we just trade them for more assets down the road! Yay! That actually renders the assets as worthless. These assets only have as much value as can be monetized into actual players.

2) the idea that we have a lot of young talent already that we need to build around. This suggests that they viewed adding more talent as a distraction to the talent they already have... seemingly unaware that we don't actually have that much talent! A truly stunning lack of self-awareness.

[DAF86]

hLei91FrPZM?si=yiwjpsMg9RQ37qxT

[SpursGenius]

Seems like a weak return for the 8th pick but not sure I blame them for not wanting yet another 19 year old.
whats wrong with a 19 yo phenom. Man people are so dumb here just like PATFO. It takes 5 first rounders to get a non all star like bridges. You make the pick at 8. There were several good players. These idiots fell into the trap that this is a bad draft. They will see in a few years how wrong they were.

[tbdog]

His post draft comment that someone posted earlier is troubling on two fronts

1) the idea that it's "usually a good idea to add future draft capital" can be extended to infinity, where we never actually add players or use the assets - we just trade them for more assets down the road! Yay! That actually renders the assets as worthless. These assets only have as much value as can be monetized into actual players.

2) the idea that we have a lot of young talent already that we need to build around. This suggests that they viewed adding more talent as a distraction to the talent they already have... seemingly unaware that we don't actually have that much talent! A truly stunning lack of self-awareness.

You're looking at the comment under negative lense.

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The issue with the idea of stacking picks to trade for a star is we just saw how much that costs, and it's way too much. The Spurs got one fifth of a lesser-star package for a top-10 pick. It's not a good trade. Literally taking the best prospect on the board and hoping they become a good player would have made more sense for that purpose.

Why is that clear to folks like us, rando basketball fans, and not to a guy getting paid millions of dollars?

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You're looking at the comment under negative lense.

No he's not. We have multiple years now of this behavior. At least this year it's 1st round draft capital. Heretofore BWright liked getting SRP stockpiled

[spursparker9]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QVwCL_3510

[ducks]

to play devils advocate, we have no clue what the 2031 draft looks like. But we know 2024 is historically weak. Odds are it wouldn’t get much worse than this one.

devils advocate over

problem is that wolves pick may end up in the mid or late 20s for all we know. I’ll take #8 now over the randomness of that. Especially on a team devoid of talent.

i also have no clue what happens now with the mavs swap in 2030. Should have swapped a different year at the very least

There’s planning for the future, and there’s just kicking the can down the road.

2030 and 2031? The Spurs won’t see a net benefit for 7 YEARS???? Whoever they draft just started middle school.

[scott]

You're looking at the comment under negative lense.

Or perhaps you're looking at it through a sniffer lens?

[024]

There's bound to be someone #8 or below who turns out to be an all-star. Spurs will be 100% clowned for this, especially by its fan base.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Love this trade. I wanted both picks traded out of this horrible draft, but one will do.

Having an unprotected pick from a dysfunctional organization is going to be great value when the Spurs go trade hunting. The swap is alright too.

[tbdog]

Or perhaps you're looking at it through a sniffer lens?

Or perhaps just be more positive and stop reading in between the lines.

[tbdog]

There's bound to be someone #8 or below who turns out to be an all-star. Spurs will be 100% clowned for this, especially by its fan base.

But that's just unfair. Because there will be a butler or Joker etc. You can't just say that.

[scott]

Or perhaps just be more positive and stop reading in between the lines.

I'll stick to being real, you're free to be optimistic all you like.

[Robz4000]

Love this trade. I wanted both picks traded out of this horrible draft, but one will do.

Having an unprotected pick from a dysfunctional organization is going to be great value when the Spurs go trade hunting. The swap is alright too.

Been my mindset for months, but I'm also cool that they drafted Castle.

[Splits]

who in their right fucking mind trades a known quantity 8 pick for an unknown quantity pick in 6 years? this is so fucking atrocious from a value perspective. you could get like 3 SRP from this year through 28 with better value. Nobody even knows what the CBA or what pre-teens are going to be doing in 2030. what in the actual fuck just happened?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Been my mindset for months, but I'm also cool that they drafted Castle.

Not a fan of non shooters. I'm fed up with : let's hope in 4 years he'll be an average shooter, or thereabouts. But hope I'm wrong about the kid. At least he comes with an NBA body and will almost certainly be a positive defensively from the off. Don't think he's going to be a PG either.

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Or perhaps just be more positive and stop reading in between the lines.

Dude. They charge like $225 / seat now to sit anywhere near Courtside. Trustful positivity is long gone paying those prices to a organization that just built a state of the art training center for their players, have a generational player yet haven't had a winning season in 5 years now.

Being positive requires one to have hope the people making millions of dollars know what they're doing besides lucking into the best player on the planet in any given draft.

[SpursGenius]

His post draft comment that someone posted earlier is troubling on two fronts

1) the idea that it's "usually a good idea to add future draft capital" can be extended to infinity, where we never actually add players or use the assets - we just trade them for more assets down the road! Yay! That actually renders the assets as worthless. These assets only have as much value as can be monetized into actual players.

2) the idea that we have a lot of young talent already that we need to build around. This suggests that they viewed adding more talent as a distraction to the talent they already have... seemingly unaware that we don't actually have that much talent! A truly stunning lack of self-awareness.


good points.

We dont have Talent we have wemby. Vassel is a decent piece and sochan average. KJ is an albatross who dribbles into paint and loses ball. Poor handles and poor three ball. We needed Carter or the colorado kid. Maybe Matas.

[SpursGenius]

Dude. They charge like $225 / seat now to sit anywhere near Courtside. Trustful positivity is long gone paying those prices to a organization that just built a state of the art training center for their players, have a generational player yet haven't had a winning season in 5 years now.

Being positive requires one to have hope the people making millions of dollars know what they're doing besides lucking into the best player on the planet in any given draft.
Senile hack makes 16 million a year

[Robz4000]

Not a fan of non shooters. I'm fed up with : let's hope in 4 years he'll be an average shooter, or thereabouts. But hope I'm wrong about the kid. At least he comes with an NBA body and will almost certainly be a positive defensively from the off. Don't think he's going to be a PG either.

Not that hopeful he'll our PG either, but next year's class has a couple nice PGs anyway. If he can turn into our long-term SF with a respectable 3-pt shot and secondary playmaking ability I'll be thrilled.

[SpursGenius]

who in their right fucking mind trades a known quantity 8 pick for an unknown quantity pick in 6 years? this is so fucking atrocious from a value perspective. you could get like 3 SRP from this year through 28 with better value. Nobody even knows what the CBA or what pre-teens are going to be doing in 2030. what in the actual fuck just happened?
we have a comical incompetant front office and ownership with no clue. They let Pop RC and BW do whatever they want because Tim got them credibility.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Not that hopeful he'll our PG either, but next year's class has a couple nice PGs anyway. If he can turn into our long-term SF with a respectable 3-pt shot and secondary playmaking ability I'll be thrilled.

Yeah we just saw a very unspectacular OG Anunoby get a $200 mil contract. That shooting though..

[djohn2oo8]

It’s a move you make when you have a core together. Not just one superstar.

[Bruno]

My guess about why Spurs did this trade is that they have a precise idea on how they want to build the team around Victor. Instead of just looking to add talented prospects, they are only interested in talented prospect who will fit with how Spurs will play in the future. For example, Buzelis is for sure a talented player but Spurs might not want to add a playmaker alongside Victor in their frontcourt.

At #8 there were a handful a legit prospect left. This draft had quite a big drop in quality around the 12th pick. Spurs might have judge that these few good players left were poor fit with what they were trying to build.

[024]

But that's just unfair. Because there will be a butler or Joker etc. You can't just say that.
True but I doubt the fan base would care.

But should rephrase that there's bound to be someone in the top 15 of timvp's big board who was available and will end up being a high level player or a at least a high level role player. Spurs should have taken a flier on someone. However, after some time to cool down, I realize the Spurs do already have a logjam of players to develop especially after adding Castle. Idk how much Sochan/Wesley/Branham improved (if at all) last year so the third year is when we'll see if anyone is panning out.

[mystargtr34]

I wonder if Salaun was their guy at 8 and once he was gone they were trading the pick.

[Knoxxx]

We have at least two first round picks and possibly more next year. Could be a numbers game also due to that.

[Fizziksman]

lol 10 pages compared to 3 for Castle

[Jordan Jackson]

It’s a move you make when you have a core together. Not just one superstar.

That may be the problem. Silly front office think they have a core with Wemby, Sochan, Vassell and probably KJ too.

[TimmyBuckets]

What in the actual brian wrong happened here? Can someone explain this? Is trading #8 for 2 picks in 2099 gonna get us Tobias Harris or another vet? What the hell is going on?

[ChumpDumper]

What in the actual brian wrong happened here? Can someone explain this? Is trading #8 for 2 picks in 2099 gonna get us Tobias Harris or another vet? What the hell is going on?I thought the Spurs would trade down or out for a while after seeing what a supposedly weak draft it is. This does fit with my overall perception of the Spurs' ownership spending as little money as possible the first few years of Wemby's tenure unless some really game changing reason to spend the money comes up. One or two more seasons hanging about the salary floor isn't really out of the question.

[SouthernFryd]

The real question is...will the Spurs have a better record next year than this year?

I'm now at the "who cares" point. The Spurs ain't worth my time any longer.

I enjoyed watching Boston, so maybe I'll keep the NBA League Pass after all.

[Rocalcio]

A true disaster and proof we have idiots in charge

Clearly after Salaun got sniped, as has been rumoured for days, they had no plan B and took an absolute shit deal and likely lost value, just like when they traded 33 to Minnesota last year. Connelly is clearly the Ainge to Wright's Billy King

IF THEIR BOARD WAS SO DAMN SHALLOW THEY SHOULD HAVE BUNDLED 4 & 8 TO MOVE UP

How many years does Wemby have to wait to get talent next to him? Until his next damn team?

That's exactly why they made this move, so they can bring a more confirmed talent through a trade. These Minny picks will be gone soon.

[tbdog]

In the last 30 years, twolves have had 21 top 10 picks. Calm your horses ST. This is not the Heat who rarely have off years. It's the Twolves.

[SouthernFryd]

Spurs coulda had Dalton Knecht at 8. Spurs incapable of seeing real NBA talent slapping you in the face.

Got Dilly instead and traded him for...nothing.

Who the F does that?

Spurs.

[tbdog]

Oh and Towns will be 35 years old. Gobert 38. Conley retired. Edwards contact expires in 2029. Plus 2025 - no pick. 2026 - their pick swaped with jazz. 2027 - no pick. 2028 - pick swap . 2029 - no pick. Franchise 2/3 pick in the top 10.

[rankingtear]

I would have been happy to get Knecht here, but it is a good haul for this shit draft. We are talking about getting the most value so far for an equivalent to a mid teen pick. This is a star trade or a last piece of the puzzle asset not 7 years down the line rookie.

[spurraider21]

I thought the Spurs would trade down or out for a while after seeing what a supposedly weak draft it is. This does fit with my overall perception of the Spurs' ownership spending as little money as possible the first few years of Wemby's tenure unless some really game changing reason to spend the money comes up. One or two more seasons hanging about the salary floor isn't really out of the question.
They should’ve just moved to Vegas

[AFBlue]

Spurs coulda had Dalton Knecht at 8. Spurs incapable of seeing real NBA talent slapping you in the face.

Got Dilly instead and traded him for...nothing.

Who the F does that?

Spurs.

Traded for unprotected picks

[ambchang]

It’s a move you make when you have a core together. Not just one superstar.

How is he a superstar? He’s baguette Bradley. You’d rather have sengun and amen Thompson.

[djohn2oo8]

How is he a superstar? He’s baguette Bradley. You’d rather have sengun and amen Thompson.
I can admit it that he is a superstar. But if I were you, this wouldn’t be the attitude I would be taking with that cheap shit your front office did. So yes, I’d rather have my FO build around Sengun and Thompson like they are doing.

[Vienna]

At #8 there were a handful a legit prospect left. This draft had quite a big drop in quality around the 12th pick. Spurs might have judge that these few good players left were poor fit with what they were trying to build.

Brian Wright's reaction on the question regarding the trade indicates, that there is something going on, that can't be finished before todays 2nd round.

(my guess would be a Garland trade. but could be some other trade as well)

[LeBowen]

Am I an idiot for thinking these picks could be used to get McDaniels in a year?
This upcoming season will be the last for Minnesota before they have to make some difficult choices.

Cap projection for 25-26 season is at $155M.
Minnesota will be at ~190M with just 7 players under contract.
KAT, Gobert, Edwards, McDaniels, Conley and two picks they just made, Dillingham and Shannon Jr.
They'll surely give Naz Reid a bigger contract, probably in 25-30M a year range.
Alexander-Walker will also be a free agent, but no way they'll be able to pay him.
Second apron will be at $208M and Mcdaniels will be making $24M.
The only player they could realistically get rid of is Conley, but he's at just $10M for that season.
And they don't have a 2025 FRP.
Even if they go over second apron to keep Naz, they'll have just 8 players under contract, with two of them being two young guys with hig bust potential and one being 38 year old Conley.

Spurs would definitely want to get a wing like McDaniels. Just fits PATFO's m.o. as of late and 3-D wings are our biggest need.
All we need to do is hope TWolves fail in this upcoming season and have to make some moves. With their cap hell situation and zero tradeable picks, I'd gladly give these two back in exchange for McDaniels.

There's a very low chance of this happening, but anything is possible in today's league.

[ambchang]

I can admit it that he is a superstar. But if I were you, this wouldn’t be the attitude I would be taking with that cheap shit your front office did. So yes, I’d rather have my FO build around Sengun and Thompson like they are doing.

Yes master, I dare not talk to you with attitude. :lmao you deserve all the praise in the world for having a front office who is building around sengun and amen Thompson.