Woj: Dejounte Murray Traded to Pelicans for Larry Nance Jr, Dyson Daniels and Picks

[scott]

If the Hawks can get a bunch of picks from another team for Young, could they offer the Spurs enough non-Hawks draft capital to get the Spurs to take it in return for the Hawks regaining control over their next three drafts? It would be in the same vein as the Rockets/Nets deal.

There has to be a point at which the Spurs say yes, though it might not be possible for the Hawks to get there. The picks the Hawks got in the Dejounte trade help towards this end, though, and it's possible that's exactly why they traded Dejounte.

Well, apparently the Spurs value picks 7 years later on a 1:1 basis as current picks if you just throw in a swap, so probably wouldn't be too hard for the Hawks to come up with this.

[baseline bum]

Front load Lauri’s deal as much as possible. Back load Wemby’s deal as much as possible.

Frontloading isn't reasonable; Laurie's a max player who will demand a max contract with max years and max yearly raises. Frontloading is only for role players. With the max raises both Lauri's and Victor's deals would be quite backloaded, which is no big deal since the cap will raise 10% annually (compounded AFAIK) for years while max raises are 8% non-compounded.

[baseline bum]

Well, apparently the Spurs value picks 7 years later on a 1:1 basis as current picks if you just throw in a swap, so probably wouldn't be too hard for the Hawks to come up with this.

Really think that trade was about stockpiling assets for trade in a couple of years. It's kind of funny how much we flipped on Dillingham though (loved him when I thought he was 176 and not 164).

[SupremeGuy]

I have a hard time believing PAFTO would be interested in Trae.

I'm thinking maybe we see a multi-team deal where ATL gets their picks back, Trae goes somewhere, and we get picks in the time of Paul Atreides. Lisan Al Gaib is good enough to unretire #21 for.He will show us the way!

[baseline bum]

If the Hawks can get a bunch of picks from another team for Young, could they offer the Spurs enough non-Hawks draft capital to get the Spurs to take it in return for the Hawks regaining control over their next three drafts? It would be in the same vein as the Rockets/Nets deal.

There has to be a point at which the Spurs say yes, though it might not be possible for the Hawks to get there. The picks the Hawks got in the Dejounte trade help towards this end, though, and it's possible that's exactly why they traded Dejounte.

Hopefully not. The Rockets were willing to give the Nets their picks back because Brooklyn gave them Phoenix's unprotected firsts in exchange, so the Rockets can hold the Suns hostage for Durant or Booker once they blow that team up. There are no other opportunities like that for the Hawks to take advantage of and get their picks back.

[scott]

Really think that trade was about stockpiling assets for trade in a couple of years. It's kind of funny how much we flipped on Dillingham though (loved him when I thought he was 176 and not 164).

I think this Front Office believes that, because their completely oblivious to the fact that they lack the aggressiveness to compete in the trade market for stars. PAFTO thinks that because they've beaten expectations in their garage sales that they're ready to show up to a Sotheby's auction to bid on some da Vincis.

[TD 21]

I think this Front Office believes that, because their completely oblivious to the fact that they lack the aggressiveness to compete in the trade market for stars. PAFTO thinks that because they've beaten expectations in their garage sales that they're ready to show up to a Sotheby's auction to bid on some da Vincis.

They've managed to brainwash the apologists/homers, who think if they're just patient, they'll luck into a Scumbag/Craptors like heist, not realizing how unprecedented that situation was and how it's the virtual antithesis of how superstar/star trades generally work.

No one is going to hand this franchise a star (and superstars are pipe dreams). They're going to have to go take it by overwhelming the competition and yes, it's not going to be a player who checks every box.

[scott]

They've managed to brainwash the apologists/homers, who think if they're just patient, they'll luck into a Scumbag/Craptors like heist, not realizing how unprecedented that situation was and how it's the virtual antithesis of how superstar/star trades generally work.

No one is going to hand this franchise a star (and superstars are pipe dreams). They're going to have to go take it by overwhelming the competition and yes, it's not going to be a player who checks every box.

And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the fortitude to play the trade game.

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This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.

[TD 21]

And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the fortitude to play the trade game.

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This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.

Well said.

That and this whole notion of planning for Wembanyama long term sounds nice in theory, but in reality they have to actually practice what they always preach, which is "not skip steps" to get to that point or there's not going to be such a thing as Wembanyama long term.

[vy65]

And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the fortitude to play the trade game.

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1806139635250184214

This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.

There isn’t enough bad shit to say about these spineless bootlicking cocksuckers. Absolutely no integrity, or spine. They’ll willingly parrot whatever party line the front office deigns fit. It’s insulting this is the sort of media we’re stuck with. They’re like a far less intelligent but far more mediocre, real life version of that Iraqi minister of information guy/meme from back in the day.

[scott]

Well said.

That and this whole notion of planning for Wembanyama long term sounds nice in theory, but in reality they have to actually practice what they always preach, which is "not skip steps" to get to that point or there's not going to be such a thing as Wembanyama long term.

I hadn't thought of it before in the context of "skipping steps" but that's exactly what their draft moves this week were. Like investing in a college fund for your kids not only before you have kids, but when you haven't even had a girlfriend yet.

[Leetonidas]

Has Murray shat on the Hawks franchise on his Instagram yet?

[Mr. Body]

Has Murray shat on the Hawks franchise on his Instagram yet?

Too busy texting Zion about his favorite porn stars.

[benefactor]

TD 21, scott, vy25....:tu tbh

[vy65]

Coincidentally, whatever happened to Johnny Ludden?

[benefactor]

Coincidentally, whatever happened to Johnny Ludden?
Still at Yahoo afaik

[scott]

It even extends so far with the Spurs beat that you have guys like Ty (whom I actually find one of the best among those who cover the Spurs on a professional/semi-professional basis) calling any criticism of the Spurs choices "unnecessary".

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Of course, Ty is also convinced we will make a big trade this summer, so the Spurs acquiring a pick can be twisted to fit that narrative. He's young, he hasn't yet learned the disappointment of Spurs offseasons.

[Mr. Body]

This is where the Spurs' refusal to talk to the public bites them in the ass. I can see the rationale for not wanting to take anyone at 8. Just refusing to say why a player is injured, or how long, or what's going on, or why they didn't take a draft pick, looks weird and arrogant.

[vy65]

It even extends so far with the Spurs beat that you have guys like Ty (whom I actually find one of the best among those who cover the Spurs on a professional/semi-professional basis) calling any criticism of the Spurs choices "unnecessary".

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Of course, Ty is also convinced we will make a big trade this summer, so the Spurs acquiring a pick can be twisted to fit that narrative. He's young, he hasn't yet learned the disappointment of Spurs offseasons.

Which is to say nothing of the abortion-tier status of the various spurs podcasts. The locked on guy certifiably has an extra chromosome and the TSR guy looks like he’s podcasting from your local trailer park.

The “smartest” reporter is Tynan. And he leaves a fuckton to be desired and seems to be a bootlicker-in-training.

[scott]

Which is to say nothing of the abortion-tier status of the various spurs podcasts. The locked on guy certifiably has an extra chromosome and the TSR guy looks like he’s podcasting from your local trailer park.

The “smartest” reporter is Tynan. And he leaves a fuckton to be desired and seems to be a bootlicker-in-training.

Yeah, it's becoming more and more obvious that Tynan has figured out the only way to maintain access is to bend the knee. Spurs have the media beat trained like dogs, because they collectively allow them to get away with it.

[scott]

This is where the Spurs' refusal to talk to the public bites them in the ass. I can see the rationale for not wanting to take anyone at 8. Just refusing to say why a player is injured, or how long, or what's going on, or why they didn't take a draft pick, looks weird and arrogant.

Arrogance is the right word. I have a friend who used to be sports director for one of the major stations in San Antonio who can't stand SS&E because of the way they treat media. It's not just a Pop schtick, that's their MO towards the media in general.

[vy65]

Yeah, it's becoming more and more obvious that Tynan has figured out the only way to maintain access is to bend the knee. Spurs have the media beat trained like dogs, because they collectively allow them to get away with it.

Which is ironic coming from an organization that criticizes institutions like Trump, with his fealty pledges and cult of personality

[scott]

Which is ironic coming from an organization that criticizes institutions like Trump, with his fealty pledges and cult of personality

Pop criticizes Trump... but it wouldn't shock me to find Holt Jr and the rest of the ownership group on Trump's donor list.

[CGD]

And they have willing accomplices in the spineless local media who covers them, feeding into this delusion that the Spurs are going to suddenly find the fortitude to play the trade game.

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1806139635250184214

This is of course, just a small sample of what we saw on draft night. After training their fans to believe that the draft was this team's preferred way of team building... now the story is that we pass up opportunities to build via the draft for some hypothetical fantasy trade in the future.

There is something to be said about having draft capital in the far future where theoretically all our picks will be in the late 20s... but you actually have to do things in the meantime for those picks to be in the late 20s. Right now this FO hasn't proven any ability to build a team capable of even being a playoff team, unless their planning to do what they did to David Robinson in the mid 90s and just surround Wemby with trash and hope he can carry the load all by himself. Wemby's special enough, that maybe he can... but damn it would be a lot easier to just surround him with actual talent.

At least Mike Finger suggesting there should be some accountability, albeit with a hedge, if they don’t make other moves this summer. Can’t say the same for the other journalists I’m afraid.

[Seventyniner]

It's too early to call the entire offseason a bust. The free agency period hasn't even started.

Given the inactivity from last year I can understand the pessimism, but I'm not going to react to the offseason until it's done.

[exstatic]

If the Hawks can get a bunch of picks from another team for Young, could they offer the Spurs enough non-Hawks draft capital to get the Spurs to take it in return for the Hawks regaining control over their next three drafts? It would be in the same vein as the Rockets/Nets deal.

There has to be a point at which the Spurs say yes, though it might not be possible for the Hawks to get there. The picks the Hawks got in the Dejounte trade help towards this end, though, and it's possible that's exactly why they traded Dejounte.

Supposedly, the offers for Trae have been less than the offers for DJ were. And no, we can’t get him at that price.

As for the Brooklyn/Houston exchange, it’s a very unique set of circumstances. Brooklyn was able to get their hostage picks back in exchange for Phoenix’s hostage picks, which could give HOU a big edge in any KD or Book trade. There is no ATL/SAS analog to this. ATL is fucked because their pick cupboard is bare, and they won’t really be able to replenish it to any great degree.

[Seventyniner]

Supposedly, the offers for Trae have been less than the offers for DJ were. And no, we can’t get him at that price.

As for the Brooklyn/Houston exchange, it’s a very unique set of circumstances. Brooklyn was able to get their hostage picks back in exchange for Phoenix’s hostage picks, which could give HOU a big edge in any KD or Book trade. There is no ATL/SAS analog to this. ATL is fucked because their pick cupboard is bare, and they won’t really be able to replenish it to any great degree.

The thing is, the Hawks' cupboard isn't bare anymore with the picks they got for Dejounte. That's why I wrote that post.

If the Hawks are willing to tear it down all the way to the studs to get their picks back, including trading Young, could they accumulate enough to get the Spurs to give up control of the Hawks' draft for the next three years?

Admittedly it's pure speculation, though I did qualify it by saying that the Hawks getting enough draft assets to win the Spurs over might be impossible.

[thOOdee]

Haven’t seen this scenario brought up. Any thoughts on hawks trading risacher to spurs along with trae in exchange for their picks back. Who would pull the trigger and is it even possible??

[mystargtr34]

How bout the Spurs give the Hawks picks back in 25 and 26 (we keep 27) to give Atlanta control of their 25 and 26 drafts.

Atlanta sends Trae Young and the Lakers 2025 pick to the Spurs.

It’s way in the Spurs favour but the Spurs are in a very unique position as only they can allow the Hawks to enter the Flagg stakes given they own their picks. Opening up the avenue for Atlanta to tank and get a top 5 pick in 2025 is easily worth two unprotected picks in a vacuum.

[exstatic]

The thing is, the Hawks' cupboard isn't bare anymore with the picks they got for Dejounte. That's why I wrote that post.

If the Hawks are willing to tear it down all the way to the studs to get their picks back, including trading Young, could they accumulate enough to get the Spurs to give up control of the Hawks' draft for the next three years?

Admittedly it's pure speculation, though I did qualify it by saying that the Hawks getting enough draft assets to win the Spurs over might be impossible.

1 mid, 1 crap. Not even a good start. I don’t think I would trade the Minnesota pick and swap we just got for them.

Why is everyone so concerned with making ATL whole? Fuck them. They fucked up, and there’s a price to be paid for that.

[thOOdee]

How bout the Spurs give the Hawks picks back in 25 and 26 (we keep 27) to give Atlanta control of their 25 and 26 drafts.

Atlanta sends Trae Young and the Lakers 2025 pick to the Spurs.

It’s way in the Spurs favour but the Spurs are in a very unique position as only they can allow the Hawks to enter the Flagg stakes given they own their picks. Opening up the avenue for Atlanta to tank and get a top 5 pick in 2025 is easily worth two unprotected picks in a vacuum.


i rather spurs keep the picks and gamble, but i dont hate this. But if rissacher is on the table, is a first lotto pick plus a french wemby brother, who will likely make wemby happy, better than multi future picks that will likely land in the 20’s.

honest question since there’s a high chance rissacher is a bust.

[scott]

1 mid, 1 crap. Not even a good start. I don’t think I would trade the Minnesota pick and swap we just got for them.

Why is everyone so concerned with making ATL whole? Fuck them. They fucked up, and there’s a price to be paid for that.

Here is where ex and I, two folks who agree on almost nothing when it comes to the Spurs, can come together and find common ground. Unity!

[mystargtr34]

i rather spurs keep the picks and gamble, but i dont hate this. But if rissacher is on the table, is a first lotto pick plus a french wemby brother, who will likely make wemby happy, better than multi future picks that will likely land in the 20’s.

I don’t see the Hawks giving up Risacher. It’s like one big step backwards to take 1.5 steps forward (tanking for the 25 draft).

[RC_Drunkford]

Which is ironic coming from an organization that criticizes institutions like Trump, with his fealty pledges and cult of personality

Spurs run San Antonio like Kim Yong-Un. You criticize the F.O. you‘ll lose your job. And then Pop will go on a tirade about freedom of speech :lol

[RC_Drunkford]

I‘m not even sure Risacher would be a top 20 pick in the 2025 draft and he damn sure wouldn‘t be top 10. Keep the 25 picks no matter what, we‘re about to get us a legit co-star

[thOOdee]

I don’t see the Hawks giving up Risacher. It’s like one big step backwards to take 1.5 steps forward (tanking for the 25 draft).


I would tend to agree, but given how bad of a mess/limbo the hawks are in, if the tables were turned I would be all for the spurs pulling the trigger to get the rebuild started quicker. Rissacher has got to be the weakest pick sonce maybe even bfore bennet.

[Seventyniner]

1 mid, 1 crap. Not even a good start. I don’t think I would trade the Minnesota pick and swap we just got for them.

Why is everyone so concerned with making ATL whole? Fuck them. They fucked up, and there’s a price to be paid for that.

You're misreading my post. I only asked if there was a threshold at which the Spurs would be willing to give up control of the Hawks' drafts. I didn't say that the Spurs should be willing to trade away that control for what the Hawks currently have.

[Pauleta14]

There isn’t enough bad shit to say about these spineless bootlicking cocksuckers. Absolutely no integrity, or spine. They’ll willingly parrot whatever party line the front office deigns fit. It’s insulting this is the sort of media we’re stuck with. They’re like a far less intelligent but far more mediocre, real life version of that Iraqi minister of information guy/meme from back in the day.

I'vs never seen journslists following a team with less inside infos. No sources, nada :lol

[BacktoBasics]

I‘m not even sure Risacher would be a top 20 pick in the 2025 draft and he damn sure wouldn‘t be top 10. Keep the 25 picks no matter what, we‘re about to get us a legit co-star

Looking at the early 2025 mocks and what I already know about the draft.

I think next year is being oversold because there’s about 8 guys who look super interesting. Flagg, Traore, Harper, Bailey, Edgecombe, Tre J, Hugo and McNeely.

I could easily see Risacher in that 7-12 conversation. No way he’s a late 1st.

No doubt some of these early hyped 25 guys will shit the bed this season.

[Pauleta14]

Haven’t seen this scenario brought up. Any thoughts on hawks trading risacher to spurs along with trae in exchange for their picks back. Who would pull the trigger and is it even possible??

That's 55M between both players

[scott]

I'vs never seen journslists following a team with less inside infos. No sources, nada :lol

Even worse, at times they’ll tease that they have info but they can’t share it. They forget that they’re fucking journalists, not Spurs PR team.

[Mark in Austin]

There are probably other moves coming... but there is no fucking way PATFO gives Markkanen a quater of a billion dollars.

[Knoxxx]

The Spurs have officially won the 2022 Dejounte Murray trade (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/the-spurs-have-officially-won-the-2022-dejounte-murray-trade/ar-BB1p7Pj7?ocid=BingNewsSerp)

As much flack as Brian Wright gets for some of his decisions from a spoiled Spurs fan base, one thing can’t be denied: a lot of things seem to keep going right, and as more of the acquisitions he acquires turn into usable assets, the more respect he will continue to earn. At least for now, the Murray trade is his greatest achievement.

[CGD]

The Spurs have officially won the 2022 Dejounte Murray trade (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/the-spurs-have-officially-won-the-2022-dejounte-murray-trade/ar-BB1p7Pj7?ocid=BingNewsSerp)

As much flack as Brian Wright gets for some of his decisions from a spoiled Spurs fan base, one thing can’t be denied: a lot of things seem to keep going right, and as more of the acquisitions he acquires turn into usable assets, the more respect he will continue to earn. At least for now, the Murray trade is his greatest achievement.

The Derozan and Jakob deals were good pieces of work too, even as we bitch now about Jakob subsequently turning into 30 and 31 FRPs.

The White trade is still meh, but could be vindicated in 2028, or if they turn the 4 SRPs and/or Graham into something useful.

[Knoxxx]

The Derozan and Jakob deals were good pieces of work too, even as we bitch now about Jakob subsequently turning into 30 and 31 FRPs.

The White trade is still meh, but could be vindicated in 2028, or if they turn the 4 SRPs and/or Graham into something useful.

I was not that sorry to see White go at the time, due to his painfully low 3PT shooting %. I guess that is a lesson in patience in that regard.

[Chinook]

The Spurs have officially won the 2022 Dejounte Murray trade (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/the-spurs-have-officially-won-the-2022-dejounte-murray-trade/ar-BB1p7Pj7?ocid=BingNewsSerp)

As much flack as Brian Wright gets for some of his decisions from a spoiled Spurs fan base, one thing can’t be denied: a lot of things seem to keep going right, and as more of the acquisitions he acquires turn into usable assets, the more respect he will continue to earn. At least for now, the Murray trade is his greatest achievement.

And the Sixers won the MCW trade. Hinkie wasn't shit-canned because he lost trades. He was shit-canned because he couldn't do anything else besides tear things down to collect assets. He was apathetic about drafting, hated trying to sign anybody if he couldn't lock them into long-term cheap deals, alienated fans, other front offices and players.

Wright has been a pretty good trade negotiator, and as I've said, I don't lay the team's apparent trajectory at his feet. But so far all we're seeing is the demo, well past the point where construction should have started. And I can't tell you how much I can't stand people who lay up in seats of power guzzling money for years and years talking down on regular folks and calling them entitled. I hate it in government; I hate it in business; and I hate it here. Spurs fans aren't spoiled for wanting to see improvement after a half-decade of bullshit. The Spurs front office is entitled for thinking they shouldn't have to show progress to keep their jobs. No other front offices gets to assume they'll still be in power in seven years. It's not even a thought for folks like Pop and RC, who know they can bill the team for millions of dollars for the rest of their lives.

I'm not talking about you Knoxxx when I say that. But I'm more than done with the Spurs stagnancy. It's Southern Gothic, in NBA form.

[TrainOfThought5]

And the Sixers won the MCW trade. Hinkie wasn't shit-canned because he lost trades. He was shit-canned because he couldn't do anything else besides tear things down to collect assets. He was apathetic about drafting, hated trying to sign anybody if he couldn't lock them into long-term cheap deals, alienated fans, other front offices and players.

Wright has been a pretty good trade negotiator, and as I've said, I don't lay the team's apparent trajectory at his feet. But so far all we're seeing is the demo, well past the point where construction should have started. And I can't tell you how much I can't stand people who lay up in seats of power guzzling money for years and years talking down on regular folks and calling them entitled. I hate it in government; I hate it in business; and I hate it here. Spurs fans aren't spoiled for wanting to see improvement after a half-decade of bullshit. The Spurs front office is entitled for thinking they shouldn't have to show progress to keep their jobs. No other front offices gets to assume they'll still be in power in seven years. It's not even a thought for folks like Pop and RC, who know they can bill the team for millions of dollars for the rest of their lives.

I'm not talking about you Knoxxx when I say that. But I'm more than done with the Spurs stagnancy. It's Southern Gothic, in NBA form.

incredibly well said. I’m also real iffy in presuming that Wemby resigns with us on the heels of Kawhi requesting a trade out.

[onechance87]

And the Sixers won the MCW trade. Hinkie wasn't shit-canned because he lost trades. He was shit-canned because he couldn't do anything else besides tear things down to collect assets. He was apathetic about drafting, hated trying to sign anybody if he couldn't lock them into long-term cheap deals, alienated fans, other front offices and players.

Wright has been a pretty good trade negotiator, and as I've said, I don't lay the team's apparent trajectory at his feet. But so far all we're seeing is the demo, well past the point where construction should have started. And I can't tell you how much I can't stand people who lay up in seats of power guzzling money for years and years talking down on regular folks and calling them entitled. I hate it in government; I hate it in business; and I hate it here. Spurs fans aren't spoiled for wanting to see improvement after a half-decade of bullshit. The Spurs front office is entitled for thinking they shouldn't have to show progress to keep their jobs. No other front offices gets to assume they'll still be in power in seven years. It's not even a thought for folks like Pop and RC, who know they can bill the team for millions of dollars for the rest of their lives.

I'm not talking about you Knoxxx when I say that. But I'm more than done with the Spurs stagnancy. It's Southern Gothic, in NBA form.

my man cooking