The Sacramento Kings have agreed on a sign-and-trade that will land DeMar DeRozan on a three-year deal, send Harrison Barnes to the San Antonio Spurs and Chris Duarte, two second-round picks and cash to the Chicago Bulls.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/wojespn/status/1809774109993152873

[slick'81]

Lfg

[Robz4000]

Sucks they didn't get any extra draft capital but Barnes will have trade value tbh.

[Uriel]

1809775079846228207
Now it makes sense.

[timvp]

Yep, that's what I thought. Good stuff.

You want two vets that will help the youngsters grow, you can't do much better than CP3 and Barnes :tu

[Degoat]

Wtf is up with them in those swaps!!!

[LeBowen]

Wanted him for some time now.

NBA champion, high character guy, the best wing on the roster right away. Says more about our wings, but whatever.
His shot is still there, idk if defense is, he was a good defender in his prime.
Contract isn't too bad and he just turned 32, not that old.

CP3/Devin/Castle/Barnes/Wemby lineup has 4 good shooters, 4 creators and hopefully 5 positive defenders.

[kjhip1]

Trying to ensure they have good picks throughout Wemby’s career?

[Mr. Body]

Chris Paul + Harrison Barnes is excellent stuff.

[Dejounte]

Playoffs baby

[Leetonidas]

Barnes for free, I'll take it

[LeBowen]

Wait, we got an unprotected swap? Kings are actually idiots.

[TimmehC]

Huge W. Not only adds shooting talent but adds to the war chest as well.

[BatManu20]

Merge threads timvp. Good shit tho. Nice pickup for the Spurs tbh.

[CGD]

Excellent trade, wow.

[SpursBills]

Decent haul if they're trying to build slow

Basically traded a 2nd rounder for an unprotected swap from a dysfunctional franchise that conveys right when Wemby's in the middle of his prime
Barnes is useless and borderline unplayable a lot of nights but is good for a young locker room

[kjhip1]

Corrected as a 2031 pick swap

[NASpurs]

At least we have more depth this year or someone is gone (KJ).

[LeBowen]

Decent haul if they're trying to build slow

Basically traded a 2nd rounder for an unprotected swap from a dysfunctional franchise that conveys right when Wemby's in the middle of his prime
Barnes is useless and borderline unplayable a lot of nights but is good for a young locker room

If Barnes is useless, then what are Jeremy, Keldon and Champagnie?

[Mugen]

Ill take a vet that can shoot the 3 at this point tbh.

Feels like there's another trade out there this summer so tbd. But hopefully they can package the expirings of Barnes/Collins next summer for an impact player.

[NASpurs]

Pickswap in 2032 :lol

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1809775079846228207

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1809776848814895151

[SpursFan86]

Probably preferred Huerter over Barnes, but Barnes obviously is more of a veteran presence + can fill in at PF where we really don’t have much depth.

Also, unprotected 2032 pick swap is actually pretty damn solid. Was expecting a SRP or two but unprotected swap that far out is better. We now are poised to have some potentially very nice picks all throughout Wemby’s prime. Just have to get some talent around him before then so he sticks around :lol

[SpursBills]

If Barnes is useless, then what are Jeremy, Keldon and Champagnie?

Same, useless and borderline unplayable a lot of nights. We'll just have to hope that on any given night, somebody's going to be useful and gets played

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1809776611245347109


Champagnie gone?

[HankChinaski]

Pick swap unprotected where the spurs should theoretically be making runs in the playoffs is decent pull while bring in some vet experience.

I like it.


Curious if there is another move to be made with the current roster construction

[DPG21920]

Not surprised and it’s a net win for Sa. Give a 2nd rounder and get back an unprotected swap for facilitating the deal. Def more upside than the 2nd they gave up especially considering they have extra and Barnes is also useful. Smart GMing

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1809778793013231943

[LeBowen]

Same, useless and borderline unplayable a lot of nights. We'll just have to hope that on any given night, somebody's going to be useful and gets played


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=quQpkDJsjaE

If Jeremy even learns to do this, I'll write a personal letter of apology.

[Mugen]

You had my man BWrong at "swap" tbh :lol

[Degoat]

I’ll be bummed if Julian gets traded, my tinfoil theory all summer is KJ has asked to be traded…

[BacktoBasics]

This offseason is a lesson in smart prudent moves that improve your team without unloading serious draft capital. This is how you give Wemby some feeling that he can compete while still preserving the concept of patiently building the team.

[SpursFan86]

With the swap now being corrected to 2031, how does that work with us having the infamous Minnesota 2031 pick? Can we only swap our own pick with Sacramento?

[vy65]

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1809775079846228207

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1809776848814895151

20131

[Mr. Body]

Probably preferred Huerter over Barnes, but Barnes obviously is more of a veteran presence + can fill in at PF where we really don’t have much depth.

Also, unprotected 2032 pick swap is actually pretty damn solid. Was expecting a SRP or two but unprotected swap that far out is better. We now are poised to have some potentially very nice picks all throughout Wemby’s prime. Just have to get some talent around him before then so he sticks around :lol

I might have preferred Huerter, but Barnes provides an actually needed role plus more veteran leadership.

[Robz4000]

Hopefully they find a way to keep Champ tbh. He's really on a bargain contract.

[jeebus]

I might actually create an old school, upstairs semen cloud if Wesley and Branham get kicked to the curb.

[Raven]

I’ll be bummed if Julian gets traded, my tinfoil theory all summer is KJ has asked to be traded…

why would he get traded

[jeebus]

With the swap now being corrected to 2031, how does that work with us having the infamous Minnesota 2031 pick? Can we only swap our own pick with Sacramento?

They can only choose one; the other can be trade bait.

[LeBowen]

With the swap now being corrected to 2031, how does that work with us having the infamous Minnesota 2031 pick? Can we only swap our own pick with Sacramento?

We get the best of SAS/MIN/SAC, so just swap with one team if needed, other one keeps their position.

[AusSpur]

https://twitter.com/PaulGarciaNBA/status/1809778793013231943

Trade kicker is paid by the team trading the player, not the team receiving. So could this save Champ?

[Obstructed_View]

I'd straight up rather have Harrison Barnes on the Spurs than Demar Derozen.

[Mr. Body]

With the swap now being corrected to 2031, how does that work with us having the infamous Minnesota 2031 pick? Can we only swap our own pick with Sacramento?

The Sacto and Spurs picks would only be swapped. The Minnesota one stays put regardless.

[Obstructed_View]

We get the best of SAS/MIN/SAC, so just swap with one team if needed, other one keeps their position.
That's pretty bad ass.

[Robz4000]

Don't they own Minny's '31 pick outright?

[SpursBills]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=quQpkDJsjaE

If Jeremy even learns to do this, I'll write a personal letter of apology.

Doubt he will, goal for Jeremy is to be a switchable defender and passable shooter moving forward. I like Barnes a lot for what he brings to the locker room especially for our young guys, and he'll have nights where he blows up and puts up 30, but those nights are getting fewer and further between and his defense has been slipping a lot.

I'm not really going to make this about Sochan because he was objectively one of the worst players in the league last season, but he's still got a decent runway so I'm not going to demand he gets traded for a protected second or anything unless he doesn't show anything at year 4.

[Beaverfuzz]

I might actually create an old school, upstairs semen cloud if Wesley and Branham get kicked to the curb.

Yes Yes Yes!

[vy65]

This is laughable. Barnes is a net negative player. He’s a career role player. CP3 at least has been an elite player. You can’t say that about Barnes. Back in the day, we’d bring in vets like Mario Elie, who’d have proven their mettle. Barnes is a garbage player, who can’t contribute on the court and can’t contribute in the locker room.

Vic is figuring to take a major leap this season. We’re not going to get a top 10 pick naturally (hope I’m wrong). But this trade doesn’t advance the ball at all, and signals a white flag on meaningful moves like Lauri. Like, wtf is this front office doing or thinking

[Mugen]

I'd straight up waive Sidy after today's SL game if it meant keeping Champ around :lol

[SpursFan86]

The Sacto and Spurs picks would only be swapped. The Minnesota one stays put regardless.

So let’s say Sacramento is 10th, Spurs are 24th, Minnesota is 28th. We can’t swap out Minnesota’s pick, so we’d end up picking 10th and 28th in this scenario?

[LeBowen]

Doubt he will, goal for Jeremy is to be a switchable defender and passable shooter moving forward. I like Barnes a lot for what he brings to the locker room especially for our young guys, and he'll have nights where he blows up and puts up 30, but those nights are getting fewer and further between and his defense has been slipping a lot.

I'm not really going to make this about Sochan because he was objectively one of the worst players in the league last season, but he's still got a decent runway so I'm not going to demand he gets traded for a protected second or anything unless he doesn't show anything at year 4.

Barnes is exactly what we need. Consistent wing shooting.
Fourth option behind Wemby, Devin and CP3.
I'm not going to criticize his defense until I see him play with Wemby.
Poor guy had Sabonis as his rim protector.

[Robz4000]

I'd straight up waive Sidy after today's SL game if it meant keeping Champ around :lol

Same

[TXstbobcat]

Isn’t the Minnesota pick swap from the Wolves deal 2030?

Spurs get:


2031 first-round pick (unprotected)
2030 pick swap (top 1 protected)

[LeBowen]

This is laughable. Barnes is a net negative player. He’s a career role player. CP3 at least has been an elite player. You can’t say that about Barnes. Back in the day, we’d bring in vets like Mario Elie, who’d have proven their mettle. Barnes is a garbage player, who can’t contribute on the court and can’t contribute in the locker room.

Vic is figuring to take a major leap this season. We’re not going to get a top 10 pick naturally (hope I’m wrong). But this trade doesn’t advance the ball at all, and signals a white flag on meaningful moves like Lauri. Like, wtf is this front office doing or thinking

If they're in for Lauri, they can easily match his salary, Barnes is basically our second free agent signing since we absorbed him into cap space.

[MannyIsGod]

This is obvious a good trade but kinda sucks not to be able to bring back Cedi.

[Mugen]

Happy for Demar still getting that kind of money this late in his career.

Kings have a nice little team heading into the next season. Not sure if they'll win a playoff round but should be fun to watch.

[LeBowen]

Isn’t the Minnesota pick swap from the Wolves deal 2030?

Spurs get:


2031 first-round pick (unprotected)
2030 pick swap (top 1 protected)


You're right, my bad.

So we got one swap in 2030 and one in 2031, with an extra 2031 pick on top.

[Obstructed_View]

This is laughable. Barnes is a net negative player. He’s a career role player. CP3 at least has been an elite player. You can’t say that about Barnes. Back in the day, we’d bring in vets like Mario Elie, who’d have proven their mettle. Barnes is a garbage player, who can’t contribute on the court and can’t contribute in the locker room.

Vic is figuring to take a major leap this season. We’re not going to get a top 10 pick naturally (hope I’m wrong). But this trade doesn’t advance the ball at all, and signals a white flag on meaningful moves like Lauri. Like, wtf is this front office doing or thinking

But Demar needed help!

[SpursBills]

Barnes is exactly what we need. Consistent wing shooting.
Fourth option behind Wemby, Devin and CP3.
I'm not going to criticize his defense until I see him play with Wemby.
Poor guy had Sabonis as his rim protector.

I hope you're right, he's been a very good catch and shoot guy and that's stayed pretty consistent the last few years. That said, even if you're wrong and he slips even more, he's preferable to me compared to Huerter just from a locker room/character/vet standpoint so the trade's still a win in my book.

[Degoat]

why would he get traded

Julian? for cap space, if you’re referring to my Keldon theory. I can’t imagine a player repped by Klutch going into his prime wants to be coming off the bench.

[vander]

Wow he's only 32? For some reason I thought he was late 30's

[vy65]

This is obvious a good trade but kinda sucks not to be able to bring back Cedi.

How? It means Castle won’t start. Barnes is a net negative player. The swap is fucking laughable. And knowing this front office, it signals they’re done with meaningful offseason moves. Barnes has never been special, so who the fuck cares about his “veteran leadership.” Huerter would have been a meaningful piece going forward and instead we went with the shittier player. This trade is fucking retarded.

[LeBowen]

I hope you're right, he's been a very good catch and shoot guy and that's stayed pretty consistent the last few years. That said, even if you're wrong and he slips even more, he's preferable to me compared to Huerter just from a locker room/character/vet standpoint so the trade's still a win in my book.

For me it's about positional fit.
If we keep Tre it means Castle will rarely be on the floor as the primary point guard.
Devin will get 32mpg at SG, with Branham probably still getting some minutes.

Keldon is still here, so where are Castle minutes if Huerter was the player we got?
We'd have just Jeremy that's not undersized at PF.
I don't want Keldon or Castle at PF.

Like this Barnes keeps pressure on Jeremy and forces him to develop his shot faster.

[vy65]

If they're in for Lauri, they can easily match his salary, Barnes is basically our second free agent signing since we absorbed him into cap space.

“If.” The fact they traded for a 32 year old shittier version of Lauri should tell you everything you need to know about their intentions

[mystargtr34]

The Minnesota 2031 pick has no bearing on this 2031 Sacramento pick swap.

The Spurs receive the Minny pick outright regardless of where it is 1-30. Then on top of that they get to swap their own with the Kings for the better pick.

So spurs will have two outright FRP’s in 2031.

[HankChinaski]

Isn’t the Minnesota pick swap from the Wolves deal 2030?

Spurs get:


2031 first-round pick (unprotected)
2030 pick swap (top 1 protected)


Yup pick swap top 1 protected 2030 and unprotected 1st pick 2031

[timvp]

Damn, an unprotected 20131 pick swap from the Kings too? Awesome stuff. I don't even know why the Kings were willing to do this trade for DeRozan but I guess that PPG number is an irresistible Siren.

The Spurs getting lottery picks during Wemby's prime? :lol @ NBA

I didn't love Barnes' second year but that pick swap makes this a no-brainer. Sure, Barnes is semi washed but a three-point shooting forward who is regarded as a top flight character guy? Nice fit for an up-and-coming team.

[LeBowen]

“If.” The fact they traded for a 32 year old shittier version of Lauri should tell you everything you need to know about their intentions

Sadly, you're probably right.
But then again, they got another swap to trade.

Even if Lauri extends, we can match it with Keldon, Collins and Tre.

[vy65]

But hey, if the NBA is around for Trump’s fourth term, we’re fucking set

[Spurs Brazil]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1809779869292573131

Maybe the Spurs can sign Manu and Barlow with the Room Exception

[SpursFan86]

Barnes isn’t anything special but he made 149 3s last year - that would’ve put him 2nd on the Spurs roster last year :lol Throw in the fact that we have hardly any PF depth, he’s known as a good veteran locker room guy, and we got an unprotected FRP swap…I don’t see how you can hate this.

[Spursfanfromafar]

This is laughable. Barnes is a net negative player. He’s a career role player. CP3 at least has been an elite player. You can’t say that about Barnes. Back in the day, we’d bring in vets like Mario Elie, who’d have proven their mettle. Barnes is a garbage player, who can’t contribute on the court and can’t contribute in the locker room.

Vic is figuring to take a major leap this season. We’re not going to get a top 10 pick naturally (hope I’m wrong). But this trade doesn’t advance the ball at all, and signals a white flag on meaningful moves like Lauri. Like, wtf is this front office doing or thinking

Getting an unprotected swap and a veteran player for jack is a good move. Now if they can get Lauri Markkanen by giving up some of the assets they have amassed and trading Keldon..that would be a perfect offseason. A team with CP3, Vassell, Sochan, Markkanen, Wemby and Jones, Castle, Champagnie, Barnes, Collins can make it to the playoffs. Let's see.

But even without Lauri..getting these assets and a vet player is a net win

[vy65]

Damn, an unprotected 20131 pick swap from the Kings too? Awesome stuff. I don't even know why the Kings were willing to do this trade for DeRozan but I guess that PPG number is an irresistible Siren.

The Spurs getting lottery picks during Wemby's prime? :lol @ NBA

I didn't love Barnes' second year but that pick swap makes this a no-brainer. Sure, Barnes is semi washed but a three-point shooting forward who is regarded as a top flight character guy? Nice fit for an up-and-coming team.

https://i1.sndcdn.com/artworks-N1IlQJkNcYFEHN69-4wisCA-t500x500.jpg

[MannyIsGod]

How? It means Castle won’t start. Barnes is a net negative player. The swap is fucking laughable. And knowing this front office, it signals they’re done with meaningful offseason moves. Barnes has never been special, so who the fuck cares about his “veteran leadership.” Huerter would have been a meaningful piece going forward and instead we went with the shittier player. This trade is fucking retarded.

He definitely didn't fit as well next to Sabonis but he's not really a net negative player. Historically he's been a slightly above average NBA player. It cost the Spurs nothing other than cap space. I honestly think its good for young players not to walk into start spots. They need to actually compete for them. This team will be close to .500 next year which is excellent for development purposes.

[ace3g]

https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1809785084502765897

[Seventyniner]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1809779869292573131

Maybe the Spurs can sign Manu and Barlow with the Room Exception

Music to the ears of everyone who called for the Spurs to turn over as much of the roster as possible from 2022-2023.

[LeBowen]

Music to the ears of everyone who called for the Spurs to turn over as much of the roster as possible from 2022-2023.

If only we could get rid of Collins.

[vy65]

Getting an unprotected swap and a veteran player for jack is a good move. Now if they can get Lauri Markkanen by giving up some of the assets they have amassed and trading Keldon..that would be a perfect offseason. A team with CP3, Vassell, Sochan, Markkanen, Wemby and Jones, Castle, Champagnie, Barnes, Collins can make it to the playoffs. Let's see.

But even without Lauri..getting these assets and a vet player is a net win

No. It signals that they never were interested in Lauri. Barnes is a National Geographic photo of the kid getting eaten by a vulture version of Lauri. This trade shows they weren’t interested in Lauri.i want you to be (Brian) right, but nothing in recent history leads me to think that way. This franchise is set on contending in the 2030’s the present be damned.

This is all gonna be laughable when Wemby leaves in 2027

[Bruno]

It looks like Spurs don't have enough cap space to do both this trade and signing Paul to the reported $11M/1 year deal. Maybe they will do another trade or maybe they will structure Paul's deal differently (2 years contract with a second year partially guaranteed). Another option might be to cut Champagnie.

The swap is great and Barnes is a decent vet. What Spurs are really giving up is 2025 cap space. I haven't really look at the 2025 free agent class so I don't know how much of a "sacrifice" it is.

[Obstructed_View]

Make no mistake, Pop had a hand in this trade because he wanted to help Demar. And don't you dare boo.

[vy65]

He definitely didn't fit as well next to Sabonis but he's not really a net negative player. Historically he's been a slightly above average NBA player. It cost the Spurs nothing other than cap space. I honestly think its good for young players not to walk into start spots. They need to actually compete for them. This team will be close to .500 next year which is excellent for development purposes.

His OBPM is -.6 and DBPM is -1.2. He’s a net negative player. And 32. And was playing with a better team than Wemby + flotsam

[Mr. Body]

Damn, an unprotected 20131 pick swap from the Kings too? Awesome stuff. I don't even know why the Kings were willing to do this trade for DeRozan but I guess that PPG number is an irresistible Siren.

The Spurs getting lottery picks during Wemby's prime? :lol @ NBA

I didn't love Barnes' second year but that pick swap makes this a no-brainer. Sure, Barnes is semi washed but a three-point shooting forward who is regarded as a top flight character guy? Nice fit for an up-and-coming team.

The Kings really struggled closing out games and when their threes weren't falling, they didn't have a lot of options. DDR isn't a superb fit, but those are things he excels at. He's really good down the stretches of games and he can manufacture points out of nothing. I really like the move overall.

[Seventyniner]

It looks like Spurs don't have enough cap space to do both this trade and signing Paul to the reported $11M/1 year deal. Maybe they will do another trade or maybe they will structure Paul's deal differently (2 years contract with a second year partially guaranteed). Another option might be to cut Champagnie.

The swap is great and Barnes is a decent vet. What Spurs are really giving up is 2025 cap space. I haven't really look at the 2025 free agent class so I don't know how much of a "sacrifice" it is.

Even though someone reported (Woj iirc) that the Spurs were making their moves with the 2025 offseason in mind, their actions show that the 2026 offseason is the real target here.

I wonder if the Spurs will offer something like $20M over 2 years to Paul instead to make the cap numbers work for the Barnes trade. Maybe have only $2M of the second season guaranteed so that if the Spurs cut him, Paul still gets more than what the Spurs promised him ($11M for 1 year).

[Dverde]

Any kings top 3 protected pick is gold. Worth a mediocre contract.

[Seventyniner]

Make no mistake, Pop had a hand in this trade because he wanted to help Demar. And don't you dare boo.

I would never boo DeMar. He did everything he could to help the Spurs when he was here.

What bothers me more is the the Spurs haven't let anyone have jersey #2 since the Number Two debacle. If you think Spurs fans booing Number Two at the line made Pop mad, imagine what would happen if #2 went into the rafters. Has a player ever been booed throughout their own jersey retirement ceremony?

[Mr. Body]

Harrison Barnes is like Chris Paul, for those wondering about the fit. It doesn't matter so much that he's no longer an incredible player. He provides a structural fit to the team, a guy who will know what to do and how to act within the team environment at a high level. The young players have struggled with this. Getting a guy on the court who is dependable cuts down on collective mistakes. This is huge for overall development.

A lot of problems last year couldn't be fixed by vets on the floor, because there were no vets on the floor. Just having a strong pro or two is going to be massive.

[objective]

Trade kicker is paid by the team trading the player, not the team receiving. So could this save Champ?

While the real world money is paid by the outgoing team, the on paper cap number is on the sheet if the receiving team, so no help there

Unless Barnes agrees to waive the kicker

[Trainwreck2100]

Any kings top 3 protected pick is gold. Worth a mediocre contract.
It's a swap for a middle schooler, still good. But won't matter for awhile

[Pauleta14]

Barnes for free, I'll take it

Even better, we'e getting paid to get him! :lol

Honestly great job by PATFO

[vy65]

Who do we need to renounce to take this mediocre piece of shit on? The only silver lininig is that we’re making another move sending out Keldon/Blake/Branhamfor less salary to keep Champ or Mamu.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

Kings gave up an unprotected pick swap in 2032. That’s an insane risk just to clear up cap space for DDR.

[SpursFan86]

Barnes’s contract going through 2026 isn’t ideal but his contract isn’t that bad. Even if he looks like he did last year, the Spurs could likely find a suitor without having to give up too much. Not like he’s making 30MM or something.

[Proxy]

Man, good shit. If those 2030-1 draft assets aren’t used in trades, then having those picks during Wemby’s prime will be great. Imagine if we had lotto picks during the Big 3’s prime

[vy65]

Harrison Barnes is like Chris Paul, for those wondering about the fit. It doesn't matter so much that he's no longer an incredible player. He provides a structural fit to the team, a guy who will know what to do and how to act within the team environment at a high level. The young players have struggled with this. Getting a guy on the court who is dependable cuts down on collective mistakes. This is huge for overall development.

A lot of problems last year couldn't be fixed by vets on the floor, because there were no vets on the floor. Just having a strong pro or two is going to be massive.

:lmao

This dude was never an incredible player.

[Dejounte]

Vy65 being vocal about such a minor move is a sign of a troll in plain sight. Nobody should fall for it :lmao

[vy65]

July is mental health awareness month. Glad we could help Depression keep winning after that feature in Kendrick’s video

[Proxy]

Make no mistake, Pop had a hand in this trade because he wanted to help Demar. And don't you dare boo.

wonder if there was a sigh of relief too. If Demar didn’t work out for the kings and Pop felt a sense of responsibility to sign him… Demar is one of my favorite players, but he def doesn’t fit this team. Was seriously worried for a minute

[Spursfanfromafar]

No. It signals that they never were interested in Lauri. Barnes is a National Geographic photo of the kid getting eaten by a vulture version of Lauri. This trade shows they weren’t interested in Lauri.i want you to be (Brian) right, but nothing in recent history leads me to think that way. This franchise is set on contending in the 2030’s the present be damned.

This is all gonna be laughable when Wemby leaves in 2027

Wemby leaving in 2027 is an assumption. The best way to build around Wemby is to build the Spurs quickly into contending for ar least the playoffs while amassing assets to quickly get into contending for the rings soon. This move helps the first step. Barnes isn't great shakes but he has a good 3P%, is durable and willing to play to the coach's playbook. He should help the Spurs reach the play in (taken along with CP3 plus Wemby, Vassell and Sochan progression).

[td4mvp2k]

great move by wright.. they were never giving up big assets this yr you can expect another move like this tbh

[MannyIsGod]

His OBPM is -.6 and DBPM is -1.2. He’s a net negative player. And 32. And was playing with a better team than Wemby + flotsam The average NBA player has a negative BPM. You can have a negative BPM and still be above average. That's why he doesn't have a negative VORP.

Saying he's a net negative player doesn't mean he's a bad acquisition. Spurs aren't going to field very many net positive players at this stage of the development process.

[vy65]

Vy65 being vocal about such a minor move is a sign of a troll in plain sight. Nobody should fall for it :lmao

Ok buddy

[Proxy]

July is mental health awareness month. Glad we could help Depression keep winning after that feature in Kendrick’s video
Seems like you might need a visit to the therapist yourself, not that anyone on this board doesn’t

[vy65]

Wemby leaving in 2027 is an assumption. The best way to build around Wemby is to build the Spurs quickly into contending for ar least the playoffs while amassing assets to quickly get into contending for the rings soon. This move helps the first step. Barnes isn't great shakes but he has a good 3P%, is durable and willing to play to the coach's playbook. He should help the Spurs reach the play in (taken along with CP3 plus Wemby, Vassell and Sochan progression).

The best way to build the spurs quickly into contending status is by trading for a net negative 32 year old role player and a swap 8 years from now? You didn’t think this through.

[LeBowen]

CP3/Tre
Devin/Malaki
Castle/Keldon
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Collins

Malaki either gets his shit together or starts collecting DNPs.
Jeremy could start in Castle's place.
Looks like a 35 wins team as of now.
Hopefully we can get rid of Collins.
Lauri remains a pipe dream.

[vy65]

The average NBA player has a negative BPM. You can have a negative BPM and still be above average. That's why he doesn't have a negative VORP.

Saying he's a net negative player doesn't mean he's a bad acquisition. Spurs aren't going to field very many net positive players at this stage of the development process.

Opportunity cost. If they want to tank, then tank. If they want to improve, then get something better than Harrison fucking Barnes. If that opportunity isn’t there, then commit to the tank. This kinda move signals they have no clue on what they should be doing.

[objective]

Initial thoughts:

Not crazy about it. A swap isn't an extra first, it's just a swap, could be absolutely nothing

Now they have to cut everyone and possibly spend 2nds to get other teams to eat some. Losing Champagnie seems possible, and while I'm not fan of his, he is very cheap and a backup. Bassey might be able to be reclaimed on a minimum. Will they have to burn a second to get off Wesley?

Also I don't like eating next year on Barnes, jamming up the cap. Could it cost the Spurs a player with $20 million in dead money? I'd hate to see it all for just a swap

Barnes himself is just a 4 now mostly, should be a fair backup but not worth the money at all

[DPG21920]

It looks like Spurs don't have enough cap space to do both this trade and signing Paul to the reported $11M/1 year deal. Maybe they will do another trade or maybe they will structure Paul's deal differently (2 years contract with a second year partially guaranteed). Another option might be to cut Champagnie.

The swap is great and Barnes is a decent vet. What Spurs are really giving up is 2025 cap space. I haven't really look at the 2025 free agent class so I don't know how much of a "sacrifice" it is.

Not just that, but spurs IMO can likely trade Barnes or someone else if they need to using another 2nd and it still be a net win overall with getting that swap too. But ya, Im just happy to see SA spending the money at all and being opportunistic.

Very good off season IMO. CP by himself? Meh. Coupled with this? Makes a lot more sense and spurs cap situation still looks very good overal IMO

[MannyIsGod]

Opportunity cost. If they want to tank, then tank. If they want to improve, then get something better than Harrison fucking Barnes. If that opportunity isn’t there, then commit to the tank. This kinda move signals they have no clue on what they should be doing.

You're reaching my dude. There's no opportunity cost for this trade that matters. That's the point.

[SpursFan86]

CP3/Tre
Devin/Malaki
Castle/Keldon
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Collins

Malaki either gets his shit together or starts collecting DNPs.
Jeremy could start in Castle's place.
Looks like a 35 wins team as of now.
Hopefully we can get rid of Collins.
Lauri remains a pipe dream.

The spacing on that bench unit would make me throw up :lol

[HankChinaski]

The only way they are getting Lauri is if they send out 4 or 5 unprotected firsts and Devin. I bet that is what that Ainge is demanding for Lauri. Forget that. I would think the spurs would consider 2 1sts and Devin or Sochan for Lauri.

[vy65]

The average NBA player has a negative BPM. You can have a negative BPM and still be above average. That's why he doesn't have a negative VORP.

Saying he's a net negative player doesn't mean he's a bad acquisition. Spurs aren't going to field very many net positive players at this stage of the development process.

Bro, his VORP is .1. He’s a net negative player, who’s been declining for years, and is going to be 33 this season. He’s not going to improve on a team of Wemby + flotsam.

[LeBowen]

The spacing on that bench unit would make me throw up :lol

I expect Devin to play with them and score a lot of easy points on bench scrubs.

[Leetonidas]

I need timvps 10 thoughts after this move

[Spursfanfromafar]

The best way to build the spurs quickly into contending status is by trading for a net negative 32 year old role player and a swap 8 years from now? You didn’t think this through.

Check for your vision. I am pretty sure it's myopic. Every unprotected first round pick /swap is an asset that taken together is a chance to land a star before Wemby's rookie deal ends. And getting a solid starter for free, plus adding an asset is a net win. Barnes is better than Champagnie and helps in the near term. While the assets help in the medium term. There is no way Wright gets a negative on this trade.

Now if he can use some of the assets to get Markkanen. That would be a perfect offseason. Lifts the Spurs floor to playoff contention this season from playin contention. And just lifting to play in this season is gold.

[Mugen]

CP3/Tre
Devin/Malaki
Castle/Keldon
Barnes/Jeremy
Wemby/Collins

Malaki either gets his shit together or starts collecting DNPs.
Jeremy could start in Castle's place.
Looks like a 35 wins team as of now.
Hopefully we can get rid of Collins.
Lauri remains a pipe dream.

Sochan is starting my guy

[vy65]

You're reaching my dude. There's no opportunity cost for this trade that matters. That's the point.

Habibi. I wish you were right. But this signals they were never serious about Lauri. They’re going to miss the play in by 3 games, land the 12th pick in the 2025 draft, and be no better or worse for making this trade. They’re treading water.

[LeBowen]

Bro, his VORP is .1. He’s a net negative player, who’s been declining for years, and is going to be 33 this season. He’s not going to improve on a team of Wemby + flotsam.

He won't be 33 unless we make the second round.
The biggest issue with our team was that it was so fucking dysfunctional and lost at times.
CP3 and Barnes fix that.

I even expect Barnes to put a lot of effort into this because it could be a good chance for him to be the veteran of this team long-term and get anoter ring.

[vy65]

Check for your vision. I am pretty sure it's myopic. Every unprotected first round pick /swap is an asset that taken together is a chance to land a star before Wemby's rookie deal ends. And getting a solid starter for free, plus adding an asset is a net win. Barnes is better than Champagnie and helps in the near term. While the assets help in the medium term. There is no way Wright gets a negative on this trade.

Now if he can use some of the assets to get Markkanen. That would be a perfect offseason. Lifts the Spurs floor to playoff contention this season from playin contention. And just lifting to play in this season is gold.

Yes yes. The messiah is coming, we just need to collect the requisite amount of swaps in the 2030s for him to realize our faith is true.

[LeBowen]

Sochan is starting my guy

Functionally it's the same as Castle, one nom-shooter on the floor.
Just don't have them play together.
And I don't want Castle playing with Collins, ffs.

[Rosewood]

Vy65 being vocal about such a minor move is a sign of a troll in plain sight. Nobody should fall for it :lmao I think Harrison fucked his wife or something :lol

[Mugen]

Initial thoughts:

Not crazy about it. A swap isn't an extra first, it's just a swap, could be absolutely nothing

Now they have to cut everyone and possibly spend 2nds to get other teams to eat some. Losing Champagnie seems possible, and while I'm not fan of his, he is very cheap and a backup. Bassey might be able to be reclaimed on a minimum. Will they have to burn a second to get off Wesley?

Also I don't like eating next year on Barnes, jamming up the cap. Could it cost the Spurs a player with $20 million in dead money? I'd hate to see it all for just a swap

Barnes himself is just a 4 now mostly, should be a fair backup but not worth the money at all

If the Spurs aren't better than the Kings during Wemby's prime then they should just pack it up tbh

[vy65]

He won't be 33 unless we make the second round.
The biggest issue with our team was that it was so fucking dysfunctional and lost at times.
CP3 and Barnes fix that.

I even expect Barnes to put a lot of effort into this because it could be a good chance for him to be the veteran of this team long-term and get anoter ring.

I really hope your right, but saying he won’t be 33 until May for a career role player doesn’t inspire confidence

[vy65]

I think Harrison fucked his wife or something :lol

Bend over and I’ll show you fucking my wife

[spurraider21]

Love the move. Getting Barnes for free was already fine. We hold him for an extra offseason then dump him as an expiring vet in 1.5 years

I was expecting maybe getting a SRP. An unprotected FRP swap from sacto in 2031 is awesome.

I still have no confidence that wright can build a team but he is good at these deconstruction type trades and extracting picks. He still has no clue how to use said picks though

[Mugen]

I need timvps 10 thoughts after this move

The only guy who loves pick swaps more than BWrong is timvp tbh

[LeBowen]

I really hope your right, but saying he won’t be 33 until May for a career role player doesn’t inspire confidence

We need role players, that's the entire point.

As for Lauri, I'll be really disappointed if someone else gets him.
Until then, we wait for Ainge to overplay his cards, the asking price will start to drop.

[spurraider21]

Yeah. If this swap doesn’t convey it meant wemby already left for the lakers so who cares at that point

[TD 21]

I'm pulling a Stein on this one: I called this (mentioned Barnes as far back as the "Spurs trade ideas"). Not Wojnarowski, not Charania, not timvp, me . . . and don't you forget it.:lmao



According to Wojnarowski, the Kings in a sign and trade is the most likely possibility right now but they're trying to find a third team because the Bulls don't want to take back significant salary.

I wonder if the Spurs help facilitate it by acquiring Barnes for next to nothing. Granted, he's signed through '26, so maybe that dissuades them.

[vy65]

We need role players, that's the entire point.

As for Lauri, I'll be really disappointed if someone else gets him.
Until then, we wait for Ainge to overplay his cards, the asking price will start to drop.

No. We fucking need talent. We’re aligned on Lauri. He’d be a great #2. I’ll eat all the crow if we get him on top of the Barnes deal. But I’ve seen enough from this front office to know that we’re done for the offseason after this deal.

[Bruno]

After a quick look at the 2025 free agent class, I like this trade more.

Top 2025 unrestricted free agents:
Jamal Murray, Jalen Brunson, Lauri Markkanen, Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, Myles Turner, Naz Reid, Alex Caruso.

Murray, Brunson and Markkanen should all be extended before hitting free agency. Gordon and Caruso might be too extended.

Ingram, Randle, Turner or Reid are pretty much the best Spurs could have hoped to get next summer as free agents. Not that great...

[HankChinaski]

No. We fucking need talent. We’re aligned on Lauri. He’d be a great #2. I’ll eat all the crow if we get him on top of the Barnes deal. But I’ve seen enough from this front office to know that we’re done for the offseason after this deal.

There likely isn't going to be any traction on this till Aug.
It's a waiting game. Going full tilt in a trade with Utah now is stupid.
Wait till extension date arrives then see if Lauri wants to stay in Utah.
Leverage in a trade talks move forward then.
As of right now Ainge is asking something ridiculous for Lauri

[DPG21920]

You're reaching my dude. There's no opportunity cost for this trade that matters. That's the point.

Ya. Even if Spurs need more cap space Collins or Barnes should easily be able to be moved. But even with Barnes Spurs still project to have a ton of cap space. It’s just not a functional issue although technically it is a trade off for sure.

[dbestpro]

One of the biggest problems for this team was a low BBIQ. The guards got their coach on the floor and now the forwards do too. Sochan needs to soak in as much as possible. He is the big winner of the Barnes trade as it might save his career.

[TXstbobcat]

Hoarding pick swaps lol

2026 Hawks (unprotected)
2028 Celtics (top-1 protected)
2030 Mavericks (unprotected)
2030 Timberwolves (top-1 protected)
2031 Kings (unprotected)

[DPG21920]

Spurs kept (and added to) their draft war chest, still have ample cap space with ability to get as much as they need pretty easily, replaced Graham + Cedi with CP + Barnes and drafted a high upside player in Castle.

I mean, it’s damn near perfect other than an off season where Spurs successfully swing for fences and land another for sure all star that fits great and push pedal down on winning now. But that didnt seem to be the plan so for this type of plan, which was by far the most likely, this is very solid execution. It’s not sexy, its not something that gets headlines, but it accomplishes many goals and moves team forward and has them setup quite beautifully to keep developing the guys that matter and start winning next 2 years or so.

I get wanting more and to go all in, but this was always a the most viable path IMO and no, IMO they shouldn’t be outright tankin anymore. If Wemby picks up a knock early in the season (god forbid) then sure you can pivot to that. But you dont go on planning on that anymore.

Also, Castle, if he pops and is the guy we hope he can be? Man, Spurs are going to be looking so so good moving forward :lol

[BackHome]

Opportunity cost. If they want to tank, then tank. If they want to improve, then get something better than Harrison fucking Barnes. If that opportunity isn’t there, then commit to the tank. This kinda move signals they have no clue on what they should be doing.l

Now this is something I agree with you on at this point pick a path and be all in if you keep one foot in and one foot out you just build a sub 500 team long term

[Redshadows]

After a quick look at the 2025 free agent class, I like this trade more.

Top 2025 unrestricted free agents:
Jamal Murray, Jalen Brunson, Lauri Markkanen, Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, Myles Turner, Naz Reid, Alex Caruso.

Murray, Brunson and Markkanen should all be extended before hitting free agency. Gordon and Caruso might be too extended.

Ingram, Randle, Turner or Reid are pretty much the best Spurs could have hoped to get next summer as free agents. Not that great...

The Spurs will open cap space in 2026 to sign De'Aaron Fox. The Kings will have to tank and the value of the 2031 swap will increase.

[Spursfanfromafar]

After a quick look at the 2025 free agent class, I like this trade more.

Top 2025 unrestricted free agents:
Jamal Murray, Jalen Brunson, Lauri Markkanen, Brandon Ingram, Julius Randle, Aaron Gordon, Myles Turner, Naz Reid, Alex Caruso.

Murray, Brunson and Markkanen should all be extended before hitting free agency. Gordon and Caruso might be too extended.

Ingram, Randle, Turner or Reid are pretty much the best Spurs could have hoped to get next summer as free agents. Not that great...

Indeed. Ingram, Randle aren't the best fits for Wemby. Mid range/high usage players. Reid and Turner are stretch bigs and might be useful but Turner will likely be extended by the Pacers (he is their new Jeff Foster) and Reid will be too expensive. 2026 is a better time, yes. And I hope some of the overextended (by salaries/caps/aprons) teams will have to shed one of their stars by then too. Here's looking at Boston for e.g. which might have to shed White or Holiday or even Brown by 2026 for sure.

I am beginning to like the Spurs vision after the CP3, Barnes additions and the extra picks/swaps. Giving up the 8th pick now makes a load of sense.

[objective]

If the Spurs aren't better than the Kings during Wemby's prime then they should just pack it up tbh

A swap is not a guaranteed pick, and Sacramento had firsts to send. They weren't absent firsts like a some teams.

Early speculation by posters here had hoped for a pick that could be used in a Lauri trade, possibly preserving some of the other assets. And I liked the sound of that as someone who was not excited but the Lauri trade rumors, that made sense. But swap rights can't be traded unless I'm mistaken, only the entire pick itself can be.

Does it improve the roster? Probably, if they keep Bassey or Barlow or get another third string center.

But the reality is they did DeRozan the favor of eating $40 million in cap space and all they have to show for it is a swap. $40 million including having to burn off cheap contracts they liked our a second on Graham should have been worth a first straight up, not a swap

[LeBowen]

A swap is not a guaranteed pick, and Sacramento had firsts to send. They weren't absent firsts like a some teams.

Early speculation by posters here had hoped for a pick that could be used in a Lauri trade, possibly preserving some of the other assets. And I liked the sound of that as someone who was not excited but the Lauri trade rumors, that made sense. But swap rights can't be traded unless I'm mistaken, only the entire pick itself can be.

Does it improve the roster? Probably, if they keep Bassey or Barlow or get another third string center.

But the reality is they did DeRozan the favor of eating $40 million in cap space and all they have to show for it is a swap. $40 million including having to burn off cheap contracts they liked our a second on Graham should have been worth a first straight up, not a swap

Swap is not a pick, but trading 2031 SAS/SAC has way more value than just 2031 SAS with Wemby in his prime.

[Wilt Chamberlain]

No. We fucking need talent. We’re aligned on Lauri. He’d be a great #2. I’ll eat all the crow if we get him on top of the Barnes deal. But I’ve seen enough from this front office to know that we’re done for the offseason after this deal.

Still going with the whining bitch I see.

Oh noes the Spurs made a move that in no way prevents or precludes a trade with Utah.

[spurraider21]

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[DPG21920]

Now, what I would LOVE to see is Spurs take Barnes + Blake Wesley + that Spurs/Kings swap and use that package we just got to get Cam Johnson. He fits better as a starter and would functionally act like getting Cam Johnson for “free” in free agency vs giving up a pick for him

But I know that’s too much GM’ing :lol

[024]

Would have preferred Huerter but I guess that's why the swap was included. Pretty good transaction flipping the Graham trade into Barnes and a first round swap.

[jeebus]

I need timvps 10 thoughts after this move

Best I can do is 10 vy65 posts.

[TheChillFactor]

what did we put in the deal? don't we have to include SOMETHING?

[baseline bum]

Wait, we got an unprotected swap? Kings are actually idiots.

This is the franchise that drafted Bagley over Doncic and thought cherry picking playing 4-on-5 with one player waiting at the basket was a reasonable NBA defense.

[Mr. Body]

Spurs kind of used booting the #8 pick to get yet another pick swap.

[TXstbobcat]

what did we put in the deal? don't we have to include SOMETHING?

rented out our cap space.

[Degoat]

Wemby/ZC
Sochan/Kj
Barnes/Branham
Dev/Castle
CP3/Tre

Not going to lie, that’s a pretty solid team

[Darkwaters]

Best I can do is 10 vy65 posts.

This feels like a Danny Ainge trade all of a sudden...

[CGD]

Now, what I would LOVE to see is Spurs take Barnes + Blake Wesley + that Spurs/Kings swap and use that package we just got to get Cam Johnson. He fits better as a starter and would functionally act like getting Cam Johnson for “free” in free agency vs giving up a pick for him

But I know that’s too much GM’ing :lol

No, but I wouldn’t mind seeing the Lopez-Collins swap happen once Milwaukee comes down on its asking price. Send Wesley out to trim the herd too.

[TekXX]

A lot of work by our overpaid FO for washed players that aren't going to move the needle much but if it forces the front office to ditch members of our current shitty roster i'm all for it. This board thinks pick swaps are gold

[dbestpro]

Wemby, Barnes, Vassel, Castle, and Paul to start. Sochan and Johnson will have to play smart to earn their minutes. The dumb ball will no longer get its run on the floor. Am looking forward to the return of the hard Pop with the young players. There are so many intangible benefits to this Barnes trade.

[BacktoBasics]

Spurs kind of used booting the #8 pick to get yet another pick swap.

Wright understands the little black book of the nba. It’s a numbers game. Get as many numbers into your little black book as possible.

Some might never talk to you.

Others are a one night stand.

Some might fuck a few times or introduce you to their friend who fucks.

Somewhere in there is a regular fuck buddy.

But you always keep replenishing picks/swaps if you wanna fuck.

Never stop stockpiling numbers.

Because in the nba you always need to fuck to be relevant.

[vy65]

There likely isn't going to be any traction on this till Aug.
It's a waiting game. Going full tilt in a trade with Utah now is stupid.
Wait till extension date arrives then see if Lauri wants to stay in Utah.
Leverage in a trade talks move forward then.
As of right now Ainge is asking something ridiculous for Lauri

I’d love nothing more for you to be right. The sad truth is Barnes is a poverty version of Lauri and this trade, to me, is a clear signal they’re not going after the Finn.

[baseline bum]

But this trade doesn’t advance the ball at all, and signals a white flag on meaningful moves like Lauri.

Not that I'm expecting to get Markannen, but they could absorb his current deal sending out either Keldon or Zollins.

[CGD]

Spurs kind of used booting the #8 pick to get yet another pick swap.

You could also argue this extends out the tentacles of the Derrick White trade.

[TekXX]

Wemby, Barnes, Vassel, Castle, and Paul to start. Sochan and Johnson will have to play smart to earn their minutes. The dumb ball will no longer get its run on the floor. Am looking forward to the return of the hard Pop with the young players. There are so many intangible benefits to this Barnes trade.

Pop doesn't seem to care about talent and effort in his later years. Mamu and Graham would have started if that was the case.

[BacktoBasics]

Wemby, Barnes, Vassel, Castle, and Paul to start. Sochan and Johnson will have to play smart to earn their minutes. The dumb ball will no longer get its run on the floor. Am looking forward to the return of the hard Pop with the young players. There are so many intangible benefits to this Barnes trade.

If I had to guess it’ll be

Wemby
Sochan
Barnes
Vassell
Paul

Castle off the bench filling 1-3

[vy65]

Still going with the whining bitch I see.

Oh noes the Spurs made a move that in no way prevents or precludes a trade with Utah.

Thanks for this Heisenberg, another valuable contribution in your long and storied career

[Rosewood]

I’d love nothing more for you to be right. The sad truth is Barnes is a poverty version of Lauri and this trade, to me, is a clear signal they’re not going after the Finn. Honestly - what would you give up for Lauri right now? The absolute maximum you would do.

[baseline bum]

https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1809779869292573131

Maybe the Spurs can sign Manu and Barlow with the Room Exception

Really hope the Spurs can find someone to take Bran Ham's tired ass so they can keep Champagnie.

[vy65]

Not that I'm expecting to get Markannen, but they could absorb his current deal sending out either Keldon or Zollins.

It ain’t happening bro

[scott]

LOL, love my guy vy65, he's hilarious and keeps shit real.

I'm not down on this like vy is, but I'm not quite as excited as others... yet.

If this is basically it for the offseason, then I'm very meh on it. We've improved the team and we won't have a bunch of low IQ chuckers out there making it look like the Spurs are Wemby + 4 scrubs they picked up off West Ave. But we haven't improved it enough to be a play-in/playoff contender, which I think should be our aim to get Wemby (and Devin) that experience in playing in meaningful games. That's an important step they need, and I believe in Wemby enough to want it THIS YEAR.

So that means we're sitting somewhere around pick 10-12. That's not bad... but it could be better. Getting another swap is cool. But I think people overrate the value of swaps. They definitely have value... but people view them as FRPs, and they aren't. If you were assigning a numerical value to them, they're worth somewhere around a late first/early second. Again... I appreciate the free swaps, and I'm glad Brian Wright collects them like kids collect Pokemon... but let's not get overly excited about them.

Now, if this is move one ahead of a bigger move (we aren't getting Lauri... but...), then fuckin' A where do I sign up for the Brian Wright/PAFTO fan club (I lost my membership info when I renounced my Sniffer status)? Is Barnes great? No? Should he be starting? Fuck, I hope not. But if we got Lauri, and Keldon or Sochan (or both) are outgoing... then Barnes is the kind of bench 3/4 that will be helpful. He's got 71 playoff games and 63 playoff starts under his belt, which will be helpful if we become a playoff team (which we will if we get Lauri).

TL;DR: Pull up your big boy pants and get Lauri. Let's fucking go.

[TekXX]

Really hope the Spurs can find someone to take Bran Ham's tired ass so they can keep Champagnie.

Champ was trash, why do you want him back?

[DPG21920]

Another consolidation trade makes a lot of sense. Spurs are going to have to renounce/waive 3 guys it seems, so a consolidation trade of 2 or 3 for 1 makes plenty of sense if you can move someone(s) and get a player you like better that gets you to where you need to be and/or gets you some assets vs just renouncing and/or waiving

[vy65]

Honestly - what would you give up for Lauri right now? The absolute maximum you would do.

Keldon + filler (Branham or Blake) + S/ATL 27 + SA 2030 (+MIN Swap) + 20131 MIN. They can have a few SRPs if that wets their whistle. That’s full control over Minnesota’s future plus a potentially high unprotected FRP and a serviceable player. I think that’s a slightly better package than what NYK paid for Bridges.

[DPG21920]

LOL, love my guy vy65, he's hilarious and keeps shit real.

I'm not down on this like vy is, but I'm not quite as excited as others... yet.

If this is basically it for the offseason, then I'm very meh on it. We've improved the team and we won't have a bunch of low IQ chuckers out there making it look like the Spurs are Wemby + 4 scrubs they picked up off West Ave. But we haven't improved it enough to be a play-in/playoff contender, which I think should be our aim to get Wemby (and Devin) that experience in playing in meaningful games. That's an important step they need, and I believe in Wemby enough to want it THIS YEAR.

So that means we're sitting somewhere around pick 10-12. That's not bad... but it could be better. Getting another swap is cool. But I think people overrate the value of swaps. They definitely have value... but people view them as FRPs, and they aren't. If you were assigning a numerical value to them, they're worth somewhere around a late first/early second. Again... I appreciate the free swaps, and I'm glad Brian Wright collects them like kids collect Pokemon... but let's not get overly excited about them.

Now, if this is move one ahead of a bigger move (we aren't getting Lauri... but...), then fuckin' A where do I sign up for the Brian Wright/PAFTO fan club (I lost my membership info when I renounced my Sniffer status)? Is Barnes great? No? Should he be starting? Fuck, I hope not. But if we got Lauri, and Keldon or Sochan (or both) are outgoing... then Barnes is the kind of bench 3/4 that will be helpful. He's got 71 playoff games and 63 playoff starts under his belt, which will be helpful if we become a playoff team (which we will if we get Lauri).

TL;DR: Pull up your big boy pants and get Lauri. Let's fucking go.

Agree on the swaps, especially when viewed individually, but if just one of them really “hits”? Thats why you are really doing it. They are mini lottery tickets

[baseline bum]

Champ was trash, why do you want him back?

You'd rather have Branham, the second worst player in the league by VORP?

[Darkwaters]

Keldon + filler (Branham or Blake) + S/ATL 27 + SA 2030 (+MIN Swap) + 20131 MIN. They can have a few SRPs if that wets their whistle. That’s full control over Minnesota’s future plus a potentially high unprotected FRP and a serviceable player. I think that’s a slightly better package than what NYK paid for Bridges.

I wouldn't hate that deal. I seem to remember some people were wanting to throw them multiple Atlanta picks plus the Minnesota assets. And Devin has been mentioned more than a few times. That all seemed like overkill. This is one of the more sensible options I've seen listed.

[Darkwaters]

Agree on the swaps, especially when viewed individually, but if just one of them really “hits”? Thats why you are really doing it. They are mini lottery tickets

I think you also have to consider the teams that they're coming from (and the year). Not all swaps are the same.

A swap with Boston in a couple years doesn't seem likely to hit. But a swap with perennial basement dwelling Minnesota in 20131 has a lot more potential. Sacto is a similarly valuable equation in my mind.

[scott]

Agree on the swaps, especially when viewed individually, but if just one of them really “hits”? Thats why you are really doing it. They are mini lottery tickets

Well of course, which is why they have any value at all (just like a lottery pick has value, or an unopened pack of basketball cards). But we can still value them accordingly at the time.

In the end, I think this is good value for the Spurs. I didn't even see what SRP we sent out, but who cares - it's not like we know wtf to do with SRPs anyway. We got a swap and an upgrade to our bench in a weak area (honestly, the whole team is a weak area outside of 3 or 4 guys right now) for free. Not complaints.

Individually, the deal is an A for me. But if this is it, then the offseason gets a C-. If we go out and get Lauri, then the entire offseason is an A+, and this move will have been an important part of that as well.

Edit: But we aren't getting Lauri. Brian Wright's probably never even heard of it, tbqh.

[Mr. Body]

Man, if we could have had swaps back in the 2008-2014 era when we couldn't get any talent on the team.

[Darkwaters]

Man, if we could have had swaps back in the 2008-2014 era when we couldn't get any talent on the team.

My mind immediately went to the infamous "Matt Bonner as a starter" season. 2008-2009

[cutewizard]

wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ywP7Pb45FY

[scott]

I wouldn't hate that deal. I seem to remember some people were wanting to throw them multiple Atlanta picks plus the Minnesota assets. And Devin has been mentioned more than a few times. That all seemed like overkill. This is one of the more sensible options I've seen listed.

My offer for Lauri has been (and remains):

SA26 (Atl Swap attached)
SA28 (Bos Swap attached)
SA30 (Min & Dal Swaps attached)
MIN 31
Keldon or Collins (I prefer they take Collins, but they can have whoever they want). If they want Sochan too, they can have him.

My rationale on these specific picks (which I've explained in the Lauri thread) is that the even number year picks fit best with Ainge's existing warchest (he is flush already in odd year picks), and the SA30 + MIN31 gives him an even great deathgrip on MIN. I don't see how any other team can beat this or why Ainge would say no to this right now.

If Ainge wants Keldon, I'm immediately on the phone trying to get MIL to trade Collins + a handful of SRPs for Brook Lopez.

Also, I'm hoping Bassey isn't done here. I'll be the first to admit, my man's knees have been through some hell... but he is the prince who was promised. (I have personal reasons why I like Bassey so much).

[vy65]

I’m just glad we could do right by Derozen 4 years after his time here. That’s really what matters. Getting the guy whose name sounds like a bit character from Sanford and Sons and who has t been relevant since the Obama administration is icing on that sweet Brian Wright cake

[flox]

Good. Another vet to add to the tank this year. And we get another swap option, that's great for the war chest.

If we cash in any of the assets now it's a massive mistake. We are in asset collection mode and not win now mode. Fantastic job by the FA.

I like that this is a swap instead of a first round pick, allows the kings to make more win now trades for their 4 season window, which will likely make the 31 pick even better once the window closes in 29/30.

[TD 21]

- If 2 have to go, Wesley and Cissoko should be the automatics. If 3, unfortunately Bassey.

- This is basically a discount Rockets '23 off season. At least they have some credible veterans, who can shoot, so they can run some functional core lineups.

- Expect Sochan to continue to start and be listed as the PF, but Barnes will primarily defend the position.

- Johnson, Castle, Jones, Collins should make up the rotation off the bench, with Champagnie and Branham competing for spot minutes.

[taps]

I would never boo DeMar. He did everything he could to help the Spurs when he was here.

What bothers me more is the the Spurs haven't let anyone have jersey #2 since the Number Two debacle. If you think Spurs fans booing Number Two at the line made Pop mad, imagine what would happen if #2 went into the rafters. Has a player ever been booed throughout their own jersey retirement ceremony?
:pop: I’ll be there to lecture the crowd when we do.

[flox]

barnes is a high character guy, has a ring, has a team usa gold medal , and doesn't have high usage. we couldn't ask for a better vet to be a mentor and a tank captain at the same time.

[MannyIsGod]

LOL, love my guy vy65 (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=11399), he's hilarious and keeps shit real.

I'm not down on this like vy is, but I'm not quite as excited as others... yet.

If this is basically it for the offseason, then I'm very meh on it. We've improved the team and we won't have a bunch of low IQ chuckers out there making it look like the Spurs are Wemby + 4 scrubs they picked up off West Ave. But we haven't improved it enough to be a play-in/playoff contender, which I think should be our aim to get Wemby (and Devin) that experience in playing in meaningful games. That's an important step they need, and I believe in Wemby enough to want it THIS YEAR.

So that means we're sitting somewhere around pick 10-12. That's not bad... but it could be better. Getting another swap is cool. But I think people overrate the value of swaps. They definitely have value... but people view them as FRPs, and they aren't. If you were assigning a numerical value to them, they're worth somewhere around a late first/early second. Again... I appreciate the free swaps, and I'm glad Brian Wright collects them like kids collect Pokemon... but let's not get overly excited about them.

Now, if this is move one ahead of a bigger move (we aren't getting Lauri... but...), then fuckin' A where do I sign up for the Brian Wright/PAFTO fan club (I lost my membership info when I renounced my Sniffer status)? Is Barnes great? No? Should he be starting? Fuck, I hope not. But if we got Lauri, and Keldon or Sochan (or both) are outgoing... then Barnes is the kind of bench 3/4 that will be helpful. He's got 71 playoff games and 63 playoff starts under his belt, which will be helpful if we become a playoff team (which we will if we get Lauri).

TL;DR: Pull up your big boy pants and get Lauri. Let's fucking go.

I actually think this team is definitely in contention for the play in.

[Dejounte]

I didn’t realize we got a 1st rd pick swap for this… turn it around and include it in the Lauri trade?

[vy65]

So where does Castle fit into all this? We need to be fair to Malaki, Blake, Jeremy, and Harrison and make sure they get their minutes. Sounds like attractive Urkel might be spending some time on Rainey Street in 2024-2025.

[scott]

I actually think this team is definitely in contention for the play in.

You're an eternal optimist. I like that about you.

[scott]

I’m just glad we could do right by Derozen 4 years after his time here. That’s really what matters. Getting the guy whose name sounds like a bit character from Sanford and Sons and who has t been relevant since the Obama administration is icing on that sweet Brian Wright cake

Just wait until the time comes for us to facilitate a Kawhi trade. I don't know how we'll be able to absorb $200MM in exchange for a 2057 swap, but Pop will make sure Brian finds a way.

[vy65]

Just wait until the time comes for us to facilitate a Kawhi trade. I don't know how we'll be able to absorb $200MM in exchange for a 2057 swap, but Pop will make sure Brian finds a way.

YoU soN OF a bITCh i’M In

[baseline bum]

Keldon + filler (Branham or Blake) + S/ATL 27 + SA 2030 (+MIN Swap) + 20131 MIN. They can have a few SRPs if that wets their whistle. That’s full control over Minnesota’s future plus a potentially high unprotected FRP and a serviceable player. I think that’s a slightly better package than what NYK paid for Bridges.

Three picks and filler probably isn't enough to land Markannen, at least not unless he tells Ainge he won't sign an extension. My best offer would be SA 26 w/ unprotected ATL swap, 27 ATL unprotected, 2030 SA w/ unprotected DAL swap / top 1 protected MIN swap, and first choice of 2031 SA/SAC/MIN (in case he'd rather have the Minnesota pick to squeeze them harder rather than best pick available). And filler (Keldon or Collins)

[baseline bum]

- If 2 have to go, Wesley and Cissoko should be the automatics. If 3, unfortunately Bassey.

- This is basically a discount Rockets '23 off season. At least they have some credible veterans, who can shoot, so they can run some functional core lineups.

- Expect Sochan to continue to start and be listed as the PF, but Barnes will primarily defend the position.

- Johnson, Castle, Jones, Collins should make up the rotation off the bench, with Champagnie and Branham competing for spot minutes.

Branham is the automatic, he's fucking useless.

[Darkwaters]

YoU soN OF a bITCh i’M In

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZGdzZGw3bzI4YXlkcXR4dWNsZW1sa2l nOTF6ZHJ2ZTBsM2Nkd2tmdyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/RJu0BWj8BrQbDqAIvp/giphy.webp

[itzsoweezee]

Keldon + filler (Branham or Blake) + S/ATL 27 + SA 2030 (+MIN Swap) + 20131 MIN. They can have a few SRPs if that wets their whistle. That’s full control over Minnesota’s future plus a potentially high unprotected FRP and a serviceable player. I think that’s a slightly better package than what NYK paid for Bridges.

I’m sure the spurs would do that trade in a second. I highly doubt the Jazz would. We’ll see around August.

[vy65]

Three picks and filler probably isn't enough to land Markannen, at least not unless he tells Ainge he won't sign an extension. My best offer would be SA 26 w/ unprotected ATL swap, 27 ATL unprotected, 2030 SA w/ unprotected DAL swap / top 1 protected MIN swap, and first choice of 2031 SA/SAC/MIN (in case he'd rather have the Minnesota pick to squeeze them harder rather than best pick available). And filler (Keldon or Collins)

Yeah I’m not opposed to that. My only point is that offering three unprotected picks that include MINs entire future is better than 8 mid to late 20’s picks that NYK gave up. There’s a competitive offer that could be made, but won’t be, because Brian Wright watched temple of doom a week ago and is convinced that anyone named Harrison is a bad ass.

[Darkwaters]

Yeah I’m not opposed to that. My only point is that offering three unprotected picks that include MINs entire future is better than 8 mid to late 20’s picks that NYK gave up. There’s a competitive offer that could be made, but won’t be, because Brian Wright watched temple of doom a week ago and is convinced that anyone named Harrison is a bad ass.

I'd recommend we show him Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny back-to-back to balance things out....unfortunately that would likely just cause him to waive Barnes and renounce Ingram without any return after he see what Harrison becomes.

[scott]

1809791549460332584

This is one person's perception of Brian Wright. Impressive for a guy who's never built a playoff team.

It's time for Brian to start translating "winning trades" into winning games.

[buttsR4rebounding]

Now if we can just trade vy65 to Detroit for a 20131 top 62 protected swap it will be a great off season.

[Dejounte]

https://x.com/mikefinger/status/1809782702159147322?s=46

[Joseph Kony]

Barnes has always been a very meh player but he's still better than any other F on the roster. he's had his most efficient offensive seasons of his career the last couple of years. the addition of Paul and Barnes should improve the dumpster fire offense massively

[vy65]

1809791549460332584

This is one person's perception of Brian Wright. Impressive for a guy who's never built a playoff team.

It's time for Brian to start translating "winning trades" into winning games.

Sam Quinn has a fedora collection and is frequently featured on r/justneckbeardthings

[vy65]

I'd recommend we show him Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and Dial of Destiny back-to-back to balance things out....unfortunately that would likely just cause him to waive Barnes and renounce Ingram without any return after he see what Harrison becomes.

“Well well Indiana Jones, you’re looking nice.”

[Darkwaters]

Sam Quinn has a fedora collection and is frequently featured on r/justneckbeardthings

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExY2N0Nnp2N25pNXlkMGlweWw5ajJ1OXR qMjh3Y3NmMWd2Z2I4Ym00aCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/SWiGqQZk8D8rIKIydf/giphy.webp

Game respects game

[exstatic]

Make no mistake, Pop had a hand in this trade because he wanted to help Demar. And don't you dare boo.

I have no problem if this is true. DD could have just signed a number of places for his previous contract, but allowed us to recoup some value in a S&T.

[vy65]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExY2N0Nnp2N25pNXlkMGlweWw5ajJ1OXR qMjh3Y3NmMWd2Z2I4Ym00aCZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/SWiGqQZk8D8rIKIydf/giphy.webp

Game respects game

It’s “game recognize game” m’lady

[SPURt]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/d5/d1/b3d5d12d24479426582a01741912e9de.gif

[Darkwaters]

It’s “game recognize game” m’lady

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZGQzMnJrMGp3eWJlamprdXh0YzN4Mjl heGNwcWdkOGwyZ29meW04byZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfY nlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/QACRcZgHsr0pxf26xP/giphy.webp

PS: "m'lady"?

[exstatic]

Even though someone reported (Woj iirc) that the Spurs were making their moves with the 2025 offseason in mind, their actions show that the 2026 offseason is the real target here.

I wonder if the Spurs will offer something like $20M over 2 years to Paul instead to make the cap numbers work for the Barnes trade. Maybe have only $2M of the second season guaranteed so that if the Spurs cut him, Paul still gets more than what the Spurs promised him ($11M for 1 year).

The problem with even a two year deal is that it takes the trade control out of Paul’s hands. The player has absolute trade veto power on a one year contract.

[DAF86]

CP3, Vassell, Barnes, Sochan, Wemby

Tre, Branham, Castle, Keldon, Collins

This rotation still sucks ass, tbh.

[scott]

CP3, Vassell, Barnes, Sochan, Wemby

Tre, Branham, Castle, Keldon, Collins

This rotation still sucks ass, tbh.

That bench unit... spacing of a neutron star.

[Seventyniner]

The problem with even a two year deal is that it takes the trade control out of Paul’s hands. The player has absolute trade veto power on a one year contract.

I don't think Pop will do CP3 dirty after convincing him to sign. If CP3 wants out, even to a specific team, I expect the Spurs to accommodate him.

[vy65]

CP3, Vassell, Barnes, Sochan, Wemby

Tre, Branham, Castle, Keldon, Collins

This rotation still sucks ass, tbh.

CP3, Vassell, Castle, Barnes, Wemby (we’re beyond fucked if the AARP guy is playing 3)

Tre, Branham, Champ, Sochan, Zollins

Or Sochan is the starting 3 and Castle is a pf?

[timtonymanu]

Branham and Collins being part of the rotation and some calling it strong :lol

I like the Barnes signing though. Branham and Collins gotta do better this year cause pop will not bench them obviously

[vy65]

This roster definitely makes sense

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Does this trade take Sacramento out of rivalry for the Lauri trade?

I have seen Barnes in plenty King's trade ideas.

[exstatic]

Keldon + filler (Branham or Blake) + S/ATL 27 + SA 2030 (+MIN Swap) + 20131 MIN. They can have a few SRPs if that wets their whistle. That’s full control over Minnesota’s future plus a potentially high unprotected FRP and a serviceable player. I think that’s a slightly better package than what NYK paid for Bridges.

That SA 30 has two swaps attached, so remove one other pick.

[Ariel]

Reports have Chicago receiving 2 SRPs, but are we sure Sacramento is the source? Haven't read specifics on it. Also, what are the Spurs sending in this 3-way deal? Or will it be formalized as a 4 team trade with Charlotte?

[RC_Drunkford]

Good move, but I would hate to lose Champagnie and Bassey who are on super cheap long term contracts. Spurs need to make another move to clear some salary.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

I'd straight up rather have Harrison Barnes on the Spurs than Demar Derozen.

YES. DeRozan doesn’t move the needle very much and don’t want any part of his salary

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Branham and Collins being part of the rotation and some calling it strong :lol

I like the Barnes signing though. Branham and Collins gotta do better this year cause pop will not bench them obviously

Want to dump Collins so badly
Ugh

[Wilt Chamberlain]

Thanks for this Heisenberg, another valuable contribution in your long and storied career

I dig the nickname. Thanks.

[DPG21920]

Yall are wild. Derozan definitely helps kings lol.

[Ariel]

Does this trade take Sacramento out of rivalry for the Lauri trade?

I have seen Barnes in plenty King's trade ideas.
I don't think that was ever really a thing, more likely than not it's Ainge leaking these through his mouth piece https://x.com/tjonesonthenba in order to pump up Lauri's value. I don't think there are that many teams that can realistically put together a competitive package, probably Spurs, GSW (if they renegotiate the terms of the pick owed to Washington), plus maybe Houston and OKC, but that's about it.

[exstatic]

Reports have Chicago receiving 2 SRPs, but are we sure Sacramento is the source? Haven't read specifics on it. Also, what are the Spurs sending in this 3-way deal? Or will it be formalized as a 4 team trade with Charlotte?

Report was that we were kicking in one SRP, but they didn’t say who was receiving it. We have a couple of nasty ones, one that is worst of 3 teams, and one that is worst of 4 teams. Hopefully it was one of those.

[SpurSpike]

What does this mean for Mamu? Was really hoping to see him stay on the team. Didn't get to see much of him last year but the little I saw, I liked.

[Mr. Body]

Want to dump Collins so badly
Ugh

This would just be dumb, and I legit don't understand this attitude. He was really good in 2022-2023 and clearly was thrown off last year and his confidence suffered. It's just a nonsense take. He's not making that much and is the only backup we have at that position.

Is he a longterm solution? No. Is there any factual or basketball basis to wanting to get rid of him? No, it's just kneejerk nonsense.

[DPG21920]

What does this mean for Mamu? Was really hoping to see him stay on the team. Didn't get to see much of him last year but the little I saw, I liked.

Nothing really. If spurs want him back and he wants to be here it’s very likely to still happen.

[poopbox]

This offseason is a lesson in smart prudent moves that improve your team without unloading serious draft capital. This is how you give Wemby some feeling that he can compete while still preserving the concept of patiently building the team.

I'm not sure that Wemby is going to "compete" with two veteran players who are only in SA cause the teams they were on thought they were better off without them. Still a hug win for the Spurs since we shouldn't be seeing much of Julian, Branhim, and Wesley aka the Trash Triplets, this season.

[DPG21920]

Spurs landing another capable 3PT shooting wing would be great. Push Barnes to bench where he likely is best and help with bench spacing as well.

[Mr. Body]

I'm not sure that Wemby is going to "compete" with two veteran players who are only in SA cause the teams they were on thought they were better off without them. Still a hug win for the Spurs since we shouldn't be seeing much of Julian, Branhim, and Wesley aka the Trash Triplets, this season.

You don't understand why adding Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes is going to seriously help the younger players get better?

[DPG21920]

CP + Vassell + Traded for 3D + Sochan + Wemby

Tre + Castle + Keldon + Barnes or Julian battle + Collins

[Wilt Chamberlain]

I don't think that was ever really a thing, more likely than not it's Ainge leaking these through his mouth piece https://x.com/tjonesonthenba in order to pump up Lauri's value. I don't think there are that many teams that can realistically put together a competitive package, probably Spurs, GSW (if they renegotiate the terms of the pick owed to Washington), plus maybe Houston and OKC, but that's about it.

Most all the leaks have been from Ainge or the GSW who have appearances to keep up.

I go by the idea that Ainge will spout any teams name who has interest because it serves his interest. I don't buy OKC or Houston are in on it because otherwise Ainge would spout it.

Sac was a name leaked and I am curious if this takes them out of the running after giving DDR his contract.

[Obstructed_View]

YES. DeRozan doesn’t move the needle very much and don’t want any part of his salary
I wouldn't take him for the same money. He doesn't play a wisp of defense, refuses to take three pointers and dominates the ball.

The worst part is that he doesn't specifically do anything wrong, per se. He's a good guy. So he poisons your young players. They all learn from him. Then they all do the same stupid shit. Dejounte did the same stuff, dribbling the clock down for himself.

[FireMicoHalili]

Sam Quinn has a fedora collection and is frequently featured on r/justneckbeardthings
Living the American dream of watching sports at home, getting paid to tweet for a living, and eating all the Chipotle he can stuff down his gullet

[gambit1990]

I'd straight up rather have Harrison Barnes on the Spurs than Demar Derozen.
no shït.

LOL kings, what an L fücking move.

[gambit1990]

just waiting on the keldon johnson for jarrett allen trade to go thru.

cp3 / barnes / wemby / allen :tu

[spurraider21]

Do we know if we swapped our natural 2031 pick or the wolves pick?

[poopbox]

You don't understand why adding Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes is going to seriously help the younger players get better?

If by get better you mean replace then sure:lol

[poopbox]

Initial thoughts:

Not crazy about it. A swap isn't an extra first, it's just a swap, could be absolutely nothing

Now they have to cut everyone and possibly spend 2nds to get other teams to eat some. Losing Champagnie seems possible, and while I'm not fan of his, he is very cheap and a backup. Bassey might be able to be reclaimed on a minimum. Will they have to burn a second to get off Wesley?

Also I don't like eating next year on Barnes, jamming up the cap. Could it cost the Spurs a player with $20 million in dead money? I'd hate to see it all for just a swap

Barnes himself is just a 4 now mostly, should be a fair backup but not worth the money at all

Great. Cause the players we have to cut or not play to make this work all fucking suck tbh :rollin

[spurraider21]

Kings fans seem to absolutely adore and admire Barnes. All are sad to see him go from everywhere I’ve seen and read. Seems like he’s been a true fan favorite

[Chinook]

Do we know if we swapped our natural 2031 pick or the wolves pick?

https://i.imgur.com/s4eamxv.jpeg

You can agree to swap the worst 2031 pick SA has with SAC31

[Teamduncan21]

Opportunity cost. If they want to tank, then tank. If they want to improve, then get something better than Harrison fucking Barnes. If that opportunity isn’t there, then commit to the tank. This kinda move signals they have no clue on what they should be doing.

I thought you think he is a net negative. If yes then they're tanking?
And it's a free move. So not sure why you're so mad. They can still get Lauri if they really want to

[spurraider21]

https://i.imgur.com/s4eamxv.jpeg

You can agree to swap the worst 2031 pick SA has with SAC31
But is that what happened? Sacto could also have negotiated such that the spurs can only swap with the better of their 2031 picks

[Chinook]

If the Spurs were smart, they'd give Charlotte whatever seconds they needed to to guarantee Graham (assuming the deal hasn't been fully called into the league yet) so they can use his contract as matching. I don't love the team's deep bench and think they can get multiple back with the room exception and min deals, but it seems with a better use of assets would be to just pay the picks. This also adds the wrinkle that if the team did lose its deep bench, having Furphy on a three-year deal with the second-round exception could've been one of the better ways to fill out the roster.

[JPB]

Yep, that's what I thought. Good stuff.

You want two vets that will help the youngsters grow, you can't do much better than CP3 and Barnes :tu

1. 90% of these youngsters are not there anymore in 2-3 years, or deep bench players So I'm not sure growing into what... No future core pieces obviously. But you brought Castle two daddies..

2. If you want two vets that will help the youngsters grow then keep the team bottom of the league (basically tanking) yeah... they're just fine. both are washed up. If you wanna improve the quality of the team on the floor and fight for a PO push, they're bascially the two worst vets you could find.

[Bruno]

BTW, this trade, as reported, isn't legal CBA wise:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q84


In addition to the above, in a three (or more) team trade, each team must "touch" at least two other teams in the trade. To qualify as a touch, at least one of the following must be sent (in either direction):
- An active player contract
- At least $1.1 million cash
- A future pick that will actually be conveyed (for example, a team can't meet the touching requirement by sending a top-55 protected pick, that switches to $100,000 cash if it falls within the top 55)
- The draft rights to an actual NBA prospect (same description as above)


There must have a "touch" link between Spurs and Bulls. It could be a second round pick or Spurs could trade Bassey to Bulls.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

Yeah Bulls are very likely getting something from the Spurs and also it’d be daylight robbery if the Spurs get the unprotected swap for nothing. I think the Bulls would value their TE more and wouldn’t reduce its size by accepting Bassey or Champ or both, unless they really love them. Thus, I expect that one or even both of the seconds Chicago get in this trade would be coming from the Spurs.

Still a damn good deal though.

Of course the bones of this deal could yet be included in a larger one too.

[Obstructed_View]

Yeah Bulls are very likely getting something from the Spurs and also it’d be daylight robbery if the Spurs get the unprotected swap for nothing. I think the Bulls would value their TE more and wouldn’t reduce its size by accepting Bassey or Champ or both, unless they really love them. Thus, I expect that one or even both of the seconds Chicago get in this trade would be coming from the Spurs.

Still a damn good deal though.
If that's the case, this suddenly becomes a less great deal. Without the Spurs the Bulls lose Demar for nothing.

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

If that's the case, this suddenly becomes a less great deal. Without the Spurs the Bulls lose Demar for nothing.

It really doesn’t make it any worse unless people have unrealistic expectations. Last summer the Spurs traded 3 seconds in the deal that got them the Dallas swap and took on 10 mil of dead money on the books. If they’re getting a serviceable wing who may have value of his own on top of a pick swap this would be incredible business. Too incredible.

[Raven]

Yeah Bulls are very likely getting something from the Spurs and also it’d be daylight robbery if the Spurs get the unprotected swap for nothing. I think the Bulls would value their TE more and wouldn’t reduce its size by accepting Bassey or Champ or both, unless they really love them. Thus, I expect that one or even both of the seconds Chicago get in this trade would be coming from the Spurs.

Still a damn good deal though.

Of course the bones of this deal could yet be included in a larger one too.

i find it really vomit inducing, how underrated champ is by the spurs fans.

[cutewizard]

Good move