let’s win now

[gambit1990]

cp3 isn’t getting younger, wemby would appreciate the effort / love winning.

[gambit1990]

okc was a secret contender with cp3. they were on rolll before covid messed everything up.

[MultiTroll]

Too broad.

"Win now" by doing what? By giving up what picks?
Of course you want to surround Wemby with legit All Star level player(s) but at what cost?

[SpurSpike]

I voted wait but id like to start a winning culture now and wait for the perfect opportunity to strike on good players while not completely mortgaging our future.

[ambchang]

Why would the spurs mortgage the future when they have the worst future in the conference? What is there to mortgage if it’s that bad?

[SPURt]

Is this really a binary choice? A they/them?

[Leetonidas]

There is no realistic move the Spurs can make to be a contender next year imo. Better to ride out next season and then go all in after the 2025 draft.

[Obstructed_View]

It isn't an either or. The Spurs have a shitload of assets. Trading their own picks for known players is a winning strategy, as is keeping and using the picks they get from other teams.

[scott]

I was on Team Lauri, but with that ship sailed into the silent night (RIP Lauri), I'm now fully on Team Let It Ride.

Let's see what growth we get from Wemby, Devin and Sochan with some competent vets on the team (no disrespect to Doug and Cedi, but we've upgraded the vet presence on our team significantly via CP3 and Barnes) and see what we got with Castle. Hopefully ATL falters, we get some lotto luck and we're adding another Top 4 pick (or two?) to our roster next year.

If CP3 and/or Barnes prove some primo (not Primo) value, move them at the deadline if they'll return REAL assets (not interested in another late FRP to add more Branhams and Blakes). Can we trade the CHA pick for some far out swaps? Let's start stacking those up as well. If we can add a few more things to the warchest, we'll be even better positioned to make some kind of move (lol, who am I kidding) next year... right?

[Sugus]

cp3 isn’t getting younger, wemby would appreciate the effort / love winning.

Wait, how would we speed up winning, didn't we have the worst future in our conference according to your Nostradamus ass? :lmao


Why would the spurs mortgage the future when they have the worst future in the conference? What is there to mortgage if it’s that bad?

Damn, beat me to it :lol

[KingKev]

I’ll just toe the line. Let’s see what we have with Wemby and two proven, high end role playing vets. Wemby will be off minutes restriction for most of the season. If we are in play-in/play-off contention come AS break PATFO will explore win now options. Ideally, this is another development year where we garner 2-3 top 15 draft picks and are positioned to flip CP8 for more draft capital if Castle excels early and often.

Vassell/Sochan/Keldon time ticking to show out or be moved in my opinion.

[KobesAchilles]

I’m team tank

[poopbox]

Wemby is so good that just adding 3 competent nba players in Pau. Barnes, and Castle, is going to be enough to have them in the play in, and thus a threat to be the 7 or 8 seed. They are going to get a two fold boost of playing competent nba players while also NOT playing incompetent nba players like Branhim and Wesley.

[poopbox]

I’ll just toe the line. Let’s see what we have with Wemby and two proven, high end role playing vets. Wemby will be off minutes restriction for most of the season. If we are in play-in/play-off contention come AS break PATFO will explore win now options. Ideally, this is another development year where we garner 2-3 top 15 draft picks and are positioned to flip CP8 for more draft capital if Castle excels early and often.

Vassell/Sochan/Keldon time ticking to show out or be moved in my opinion.

0 percent chance Devin is moved for anything less than a bonafide top 5 player in the league. His declining contract is to valuable to give up. It is THE contract that 2 years from now allows them to sign a player they financially wouldn't be able to without Devin's declining deal. It's a top 5 contract in the entire nba.

[Dex]

"Winning now" isn't as simple as just saying it. Our team is what it is right now, and there is no move to be made that instantly turns us into a contender in the next year or two (unless we saw massive jumps from Vassell, Sochan, Castle, etc)

That's why it makes more sense to stay patient instead of taking a long shot on a move that sells out or future and just puts us in pretender status.

[gambit1990]

Too broad.

"Win now" by doing what? By giving up what picks?
Of course you want to surround Wemby with legit All Star level player(s) but at what cost?

I voted wait but id like to start a winning culture now and wait for the perfect opportunity to strike on good players while not completely mortgaging our future.
i'm all for mortgaging the future. spurs the #6 seed rn. wemby just won a silver medal.

the mavs with luka, irving (:lol), and a trade for role players made finals. the mavs even had a weak roster outside of a handful of players.

i don't want to the spurs to keep getting younger. add an all-star, a solid role player and let's go.

[gambit1990]

Why would the spurs mortgage the future when they have the worst future in the conference? What is there to mortgage if it’s that bad?

Wait, how would we speed up winning, didn't we have the worst future in our conference according to your Nostradamus ass? :lmao
i was right about the spurs having the worst future in the conference. they were #1 in the division when i posted that thread, ended that season last in the division if iirc, and were terrible for years.

stop acting like i said the spurs have the worst future in the conference forever :lol

[MultiTroll]

i'm all for mortgaging the future. spurs the #6 seed rn. wemby just won a silver medal.

the mavs with luka, irving (:lol), and a trade for role players made finals.

i don't want to the spurs to keep getting younger. add an all-star, a solid role player and let's go.
Eh sounds like Scammy Ainge wanted the moon and/or Markanen simply likes country living in Utah for his family.

What All Star is available the Spurs can get? Not schrimpy ATL guy.

[gambit1990]

Eh sounds like Scammy Ainge wanted the moon and/or Markanen simply likes country living in Utah for his family.

What All Star is available the Spurs can get? Not schrimpy ATL guy.
i'm down to overpay for brandon ingram. more will be available after the season starts.

[gambit1990]

spurs didn't tank when they had a healthy duncan. and they're not landing a tony parker or manu ginobili late in the draft.

i think the nuggets are winning it all ... but i'd rather establish a winning culture by losing in the WCFs than in the 1st round.

shoot for the moon. push the chips in. wemby is the man.

[MultiTroll]

i'm down to overpay for brandon ingram. more will be available after the season starts.
Anorexic pot abuser? Or perhaps just dealing with the genes he got.
I think his stats begin to go down next year.

If he pulls out a mini skinny Durbeta career and keeps being above average will into his 30s then good for him. I'll be wrong.

Hard pass.

[Splits]

Now that there is no Markkanen to the Spurs buzz, I vote wait.

[ambchang]

i was right about the spurs having the worst future in the conference. they were #1 in the division when i posted that thread, ended that season last in the division if iirc, and were terrible for years.

stop acting like i said the spurs have the worst future in the conference forever :lol

So what future can we mortgage to win now if the spurs have worst future in the division? What will it accomplish. The future is worse than four other teams, at the minimum. How can it logically lead to any titles? Will all those four teams all win a title in the future?

[rascal]

I’m team tank

Agree

Next year's draft is stacked. Be patient for just one more year. Trying to build a dynasty team here should be the goal not a fringe playoff team.

[LeBowen]

Agree

Next year's draft is stacked. Be patient for just one more year. Trying to build a dynasty team here should be the goal not a fringe playoff team.

For the millionth time, we can't actually tank with Wemby, especially not with so many terrible teams that are going to blatantly tank from the opening night.
At that point, having 7th or 10th best odds doesn't make much of a difference.

If you want Spurs to get top5 odds, for all intents and purposes you want Wemby to get injured.

[Sugus]

i was right about the spurs having the worst future in the conference. they were #1 in the division when i posted that thread, ended that season last in the division if iirc, and were terrible for years.

No you weren't, as I told you then (before we drafted Wemby!) and remains true now, the Spurs have a great future. That season was the present, in any case... How can you have so much repeated trouble with something as simple as the present & future concepts, tbh?


stop acting like i said the spurs have the worst future in the conference forever :lol

Well, you did say they had the worst future due to their roster composition and lack of stars, as opposed to the Rocket's Mighty Sengun and... Some other shit you were saying, I don't even remember. But it was just as laughable then, as it is now.

In any case, of course the future remains to be seen, at least until one of the division's teams wins a ring or two. This is as expected when you make predictions about the future, y'know?

[KobesAchilles]

For the millionth time, we can't actually tank with Wemby, especially not with so many terrible teams that are going to blatantly tank from the opening night.
At that point, having 7th or 10th best odds doesn't make much of a difference.

If you want Spurs to get top5 odds, for all intents and purposes you want Wemby to get injured.
We totally can tank this year. It’s actually a very real scenario. CP3 gets hurt at the age of 40. And I know an injury prone player getting hurt would be a shock to you. We bring in Tre as our starter and again we have a shitty PG starter. Bottom 5 in the league.

Next Vassell continues to be a ball hog shooter who doesn’t play in the flow of the offense. He also gets hurt and misses time (that’s just going to happen regardless) and he never really fits in with Wemby.

Sochan never learns how to shoot the ball. He clogs the lane for Wemby and never learns how to play with him offensively still missing easy passes to Wemby. He also loses focus on defense and goes into a rut of 10 games where he scores 0 points, 2 points, 5 points etc

Wemby is placed on minutes restriction. Any time we bench him, the team gives up the lead and we lose games we should have won. Wemby averaged 28 minutes a game as a sophomore and puts up basically identical numbers from last year. He goes hero mode in the middle of the season bc his teammates fail him again and he just forces things and we lose close games bc we don’t know how to win. He doesn’t even need to get injured but any sprain will have him sidelined and put on minute restriction.

Speaking of not knowing how to win. None of the players Pop drafted and developed still know how to win or to play defense during key stretches and they continue to lose sight of their man, make dumb turnovers, and take dumb shots. Spurs are a bottom 5 team offensively during crunch time.

I mean this team could easily be the second worst team in the West. And tbh we could tie with Portland again if Pop sees fit to it and they make the call. 10 games out of the play in but 2 out of 5th from the bottom. We would go the Dallas route and lose purposefully again

[exstatic]

We totally can tank this year. It’s actually a very real scenario. CP3 gets hurt at the age of 40. And I know an injury prone player getting hurt would be a shock to you. We bring in Tre as our starter and again we have a shitty PG starter. Bottom 5 in the league.

Next Vassell continues to be a ball hog shooter who doesn’t play in the flow of the offense. He also gets hurt and misses time (that’s just going to happen regardless) and he never really fits in with Wemby.

Sochan never learns how to shoot the ball. He clogs the lane for Wemby and never learns how to play with him offensively still missing easy passes to Wemby. He also loses focus on defense and goes into a rut of 10 games where he scores 0 points, 2 points, 5 points etc

Wemby is placed on minutes restriction. Any time we bench him, the team gives up the lead and we lose games we should have won. Wemby averaged 28 minutes a game as a sophomore and puts up basically identical numbers from last year. He goes hero mode in the middle of the season bc his teammates fail him again and he just forces things and we lose close games bc we don’t know how to win. He doesn’t even need to get injured but any sprain will have him sidelined and put on minute restriction.

Speaking of not knowing how to win. None of the players Pop drafted and developed still know how to win or to play defense during key stretches and they continue to lose sight of their man, make dumb turnovers, and take dumb shots. Spurs are a bottom 5 team offensively during crunch time.

I mean this team could easily be the second worst team in the West. And tbh we could tie with Portland again if Pop sees fit to it and they make the call. 10 games out of the play in but 2 out of 5th from the bottom. We would go the Dallas route and lose purposefully again

The Spurs shut down Keldon, vassell, and Sochan last year late, and finished 6-2. Short of Wemby getting hurt, there’s no realistic tank scenario.

[LeBowen]

The Spurs shut down Keldon, vassell, and Sochan last year late, and finished 6-2. Short of Wemby getting hurt, there’s no realistic tank scenario.

My favorite part is about Wemby accepting minutes restriction just like that and not even improving.

In those 7 games after second, third and fourth best player on the roster got shut down, Wemby averaged 28.1/13.3/6.6 with 4.3 blocks. :lol

He'll be a top10 player in the league and the best defender by far. If anyone else on the roster is competent, we're already better than 8 teams that will blatantly tank.

We have 1st, 4th, 9th and 11th pick on the roster, all selected within the past 4 years. Add a couple more mid/late lottery picks in '25 draft, find a suitable all-star to trade for with some of those dozen FRPs and we're good to go.

[KobesAchilles]

The Spurs shut down Keldon, vassell, and Sochan last year late, and finished 6-2. Short of Wemby getting hurt, there’s no realistic tank scenario.
Which Western Conference teams do you realistically think we will wind up better than this season? I’ve got 2 in Utah and Portland. So by my estimate that would put us 3rd worse in the West. Washington, Brooklyn Toronto, and Detroit will be worse than us in the East. That puts us 7th. Do you really think there’s no way we could tank when we will be the 7th worst team in the league? Like the Spurs wouldn’t calculate in March hey we are 4 games outta 5th and 12 outta 10th for the play in. Time to pull the plug again.

Btw I totally expect Pop to put Wemby on less than 30 minutes a game. Idgaf is Wemby complains or not he’s gonna be on restricted minutes. I don’t see how that’s even debatable

[gambit1990]

For the millionth time, we can't actually tank with Wemby, especially not with so many terrible teams that are going to blatantly tank from the opening night.
At that point, having 7th or 10th best odds doesn't make much of a difference.

If you want Spurs to get top5 odds, for all intents and purposes you want Wemby to get injured.
exactly !! like i said, the spurs are currently the #6 seed in the 2025 playoffs.

[gambit1990]

That season was the present, in any case... How can you have so much repeated trouble with something as simple as the present & future concepts, tbh?
spurs were trash for what, three years after i posted my thread? :lmao that's called the future.

[gambit1990]

mavs -> nba finals
pels -> didn't have zion for the playoffs
rockets -> twice as many wins as the spurs
grizzlies -> didn't have morant

FYI

[gambit1990]

anyways, back to the original post, the spurs cannot tank unless wemby goes down. you go all in now and then build on that.

i can't believe how low ST's faith is on wemby. shame on all y'all.

[LeBowen]

Which Western Conference teams do you realistically think we will wind up better than this season? I’ve got 2 in Utah and Portland. So by my estimate that would put us 3rd worse in the West. Washington, Brooklyn Toronto, and Detroit will be worse than us in the East.

Jazz, Blazers will definitely be worse. That's more or less guaranteed.
We could be better than a couple more teams. Obviously not all of them.
Rockets probably won't take another leap and they don't have a legit option.
Pelicans did get Dejounte, but their center rotation is significantly worse and they're one Zion injury away from being in the lottery.
Clippers have nothing to tank for because they don't own their pick, but they're past their expiry date and I can't see them being a legit playoff threat. If nephw gets injured again, it's over.

East is just awful.
Nets, Wizards, Bulls and Detroit will probably be the worst teams in the league.
Hornets are kind of putting it together, but there are too many idiots on that roster. We can only hope they click since their pick is top14 protected.
Raptors will probably be around .500 because the East is so bad and then pull the plug and hope to get into top5.
Hawks have way too many uncertainties and their record will be better than ours only because of weaker conference and no incentive to tank.

That's 7th-13th best odds range. Can't see us getting better than 7th because we certainly won't tank from the opening night and those 6 teams I mentioned surely will.
I expect those 6 to be under 25 wins.


That puts us 7th. Do you really think there’s no way we could tank when we will be the 7th worst team in the league? Like the Spurs wouldn’t calculate in March hey we are 4 games outta 5th and 12 outta 10th for the play in. Time to pull the plug again.

We can't get into top5 best odds. After that chances of moving into top4 drop off rapidly, no point in pulling the plug.
Especially since many teams will do it before us.

Our best and most realistic situation would be Hawks also being subpar and having two picks in 8-12 range. Then maybe we could trade up to #5 pick or something. Can't see us moving up higher than that.

[exstatic]

Jazz, Blazers will definitely be worse. That's more or less guaranteed.
We could be better than a couple more teams. Obviously not all of them.
Rockets probably won't take another leap and they don't have a legit option.
Pelicans did get Dejounte, but their center rotation is significantly worse and they're one Zion injury away from being in the lottery.
Clippers have nothing to tank for because they don't own their pick, but they're past their expiry date and I can't see them being a legit playoff threat. If nephw gets injured again, it's over.

East is just awful.
Nets, Wizards, Bulls and Detroit will probably be the worst teams in the league.
Hornets are kind of putting it together, but there are too many idiots on that roster. We can only hope they click since their pick is top14 protected.
Raptors will probably be around .500 because the East is so bad and then pull the plug and hope to get into top5.
Hawks have way too many uncertainties and their record will be better than ours only because of weaker conference and no incentive to tank.

That's 7th-13th best odds range. Can't see us getting better than 7th because we certainly won't tank from the opening night and those 6 teams I mentioned surely will.
I expect those 6 to be under 25 wins.



We can't get into top5 best odds. After that chances of moving into top4 drop off rapidly, no point in pulling the plug.
Especially since many teams will do it before us.

Our best and most realistic situation would be Hawks also being subpar and having two picks in 8-12 range. Then maybe we could trade up to #5 pick or something. Can't see us moving up higher than that.

The most common position to jump into the top 4 IS #7. It’s happened 4 times in 7 drafts with the current flattened odds. In fact, every position 11 and lower has jumped in at least once, except strangely, #6.

[LeBowen]

The most common position to jump into the top 4 IS #7. It’s happened 4 times in 7 drafts with the current flattened odds. In fact, every position 11 and lower has jumped in at least once, except strangely, #6.

Someone has to jump, but you don't base your entire season on fairly low odds when you already have your franchise player and a couple more young players that need development.
Tankathon has Spurs at #9 and Hawks at #10, that would be good enough. Iirc, 32% chance to jump into top4.

I see Wemby as a sure thing. The most important thing for this season will be the evaluation of everyone else.
Devin's contract will be great even if he keeps this level, but we need to see if he can take the next step and be a legit second option.
Jeremy made no improvements to his offense whatsoever other than his FT form. If he keeps stagnating, there will be serious discussions about his future because he'll be up for an extension next summer.
Castle's development is probably the most important thing. If we can develop him into a two-way point guard, we struck gold. If not, it's going to be another disappointing pick because the value of a non-shooting off guard is severely limited.
Branham, Wesley, Cissoko and Mamu have one more season to show us something, but they're most likely gone.

I'm a firm believer that winning is the best thing for development. We obviously won't win 45-50 games with this roster, but trying to actually win every game would be an improvement.

[exstatic]

Someone has to jump, but you don't base your entire season on fairly low odds when you already have your franchise player and a couple more young players that need development.
Tankathon has Spurs at #9 and Hawks at #10, that would be good enough. Iirc, 32% chance to jump into top4.

I see Wemby as a sure thing. The most important thing for this season will be the evaluation of everyone else.
Devin's contract will be great even if he keeps this level, but we need to see if he can take the next step and be a legit second option.
Jeremy made no improvements to his offense whatsoever other than his FT form. If he keeps stagnating, there will be serious discussions about his future because he'll be up for an extension next summer.
Castle's development is probably the most important thing. If we can develop him into a two-way point guard, we struck gold. If not, it's going to be another disappointing pick because the value of a non-shooting off guard is severely limited.
Branham, Wesley, Cissoko and Mamu have one more season to show us something, but they're most likely gone.

I'm a firm believer that winning is the best thing for development. We obviously won't win 45-50 games with this roster, but trying to actually win every game would be an improvement.

I agree. You just seemed a bit more pessimistic than warranted based on our finishing position. 9,10 and 11 have all jumped in only once, but 7, one of the positions you picked us to finish, has been top 4 four times, pretty close to the 6 times the worst overall team has. While I would like us to win the next lottery, we really just need to finish top four to get a very likely awesome player.

[MultiTroll]

In those 7 games after second, third and fourth best player on the roster got shut down, Wemby averaged 28.1/13.3/6.6 with 4.3 blocks. :lol
Speaks volumes imo.

If Grandpa would surround him with team players and strategy I'd be hopeful.
Not holding my breath.

[LeBowen]

I agree. You just seemed a bit more pessimistic than warranted based on our finishing position. 9,10 and 11 have all jumped in only once, but 7, one of the positions you picked us to finish, has been top 4 four times, pretty close to the 6 times the worst overall team has. While I would like us to win the next lottery, we really just need to finish top four to get a very likely awesome player.

My logic is that I shouldn't be optimistic about anything with odds under 50%. ;)

We got lucky three times in the past two drafts, it won't last forever.

[MannyIsGod]

This dude from Spurs have worst future in the division to LETS win now of a team he's not even a fan of. What?

[gambit1990]

cp3 won’t just help wemby get good looks, but he’ll get some for castle too. and castle will get some for wemby, he’s a good passer.

add an all-star to the roster.

[Sugus]

spurs were trash for what, three years after i posted my thread? :lmao that's called the future.

Oh, so the goalpost has been moved now to 3 years, where none of the conference teams had true success, equals "the future"? Good to know...

At least we're not in the goldfish memory "the future was that next season!!" stage anymore.


mavs -> nba finals
pels -> didn't have zion for the playoffs
rockets -> twice as many wins as the spurs
grizzlies -> didn't have morant

FYI

Lol, why do you cap teams' measure of success on what players they have available or not? You're either successful or you aren't - the specifics come after, to explain the why you were un/successful. Secondly, only the Mavs there had anywhere close to a successful season... But okay :lol

[Sugus]

This dude from Spurs have worst future in the division to LETS win now of a team he's not even a fan of. What?

I'm just as confused as you, but really enjoying the whiplash, goldfish memory takes :lol

[scott]

gambit getting a lot of flack here, and probably rightfully so, but if you remove the lotto luck for Wemby from the equation, and the Spurs would be one of the worst teams in the NBA. When the lotto gods favored us, everything changed, but other than that... hard to say he was wrong.

[exstatic]

gambit getting a lock of flack here, and probably rightfully so, but if you remove the lotto luck for Wemby from the equation, and the Spurs would be one of the worst teams in the NBA. When the lotto gods favored us, everything changed, but other than that... hard to say he was wrong.

That’s actually true of our entire 20+year run if that’s your standard. I don’t care if you put the entire rest of the team together, 2003-2015, without Tims lottery luck we’re not winning anything. Second round out, at best.

[scott]

That’s actually true of our entire 20+year run if that’s your standard. I don’t care if you put the entire rest of the team together, 2003-2015, without Tims lottery luck we’re not winning anything. Second round out, at best.

Not seeing how that's relevant, since gambit didn't make his post in 1996.

[exstatic]

Not seeing how that's relevant, since gambit didn't make his post in 1996.

The point being let’s see how they draft around Wemby going forward, since post David/Sean/Avery brief burst, that is what propelled us to 20+ years and the bulk of our championships, the drafts to fit around Tim. There’s the luck, and then what you do with it. I actually don’t care about misses in the 9-12 range, looking for a franchise guy in non franchise slots.

[ambchang]

gambit getting a lot of flack here, and probably rightfully so, but if you remove the lotto luck for Wemby from the equation, and the Spurs would be one of the worst teams in the NBA. When the lotto gods favored us, everything changed, but other than that... hard to say he was wrong.

If you discount everything the front office did right and all the things they did wrong they would be the worst FO in the history of the league. But if you decide to overlook all of their mistakes and only look at the things they did right, they’d look like geniuses. Sage advice mate.

[scott]

The point being let’s see how they draft around Wemby going forward, since post David/Sean/Avery brief burst, that is what propelled us to 20+ years and the bulk of our championships, the drafts to fit around Tim. There’s the luck, and then what you do with it. I actually don’t care about misses in the 9-12 range, looking for a franchise guy in non franchise slots.

Well, of course - but gambit is getting roasted for saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division several years before we drafted Wemby, a time period during which they proceeded to be terrible. Once the ping balls gave us Wemby, that all changed. It's not all that inconsistent to say "we have a terrible future" and then when circumstances change say "the future is bright". Just like it's not inconsistent for me to currently be optimistic for the future but change my tune if Wemby were to be called back to his home planet.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean we have missed the playoffs 6 seasons in a row and will miss it again next year for the 7th straight season. There’s two ways to look at our future going forward. Positive outlook: we have a young PG in Castle, Vassell might improve, we have our pick and ATL pick next year to hopefully get to high draft picks and we have cap room to sign an all star player. Plus swap in 26 as well. And Wemby is going to improve every year for the next 5 years.


Negative outlook. We wasted all our draft picks on one high end role player in Devin and the rest are bench players. More than half of our players won’t be on the team in the next 2 years. Castle cant shoot and doesn’t really qualify as a starting pg. Brian Wrong chooses the wrong players in the draft again and fails to get the gems available to him (Halliburton, Sengun, Williams, whoever pans out in this draft if it isn’t Castle).

I’m really hoping we get Flagg next year bc I have zero faith in Wrong and Pop to build a contender around Wemby. I mean for fucks sake we still won’t shoot the three ball in 2024.

[gambit1990]

Well, of course - but gambit is getting roasted for saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division several years before we drafted Wemby, a time period during which they proceeded to be terrible. Once the ping balls gave us Wemby, that all changed. It's not all that inconsistent to say "we have a terrible future" and then when circumstances change say "the future is bright".
at least someone gets it :tu:tu

[K...]

nah by the original gambit metric, missing on wemby would be fine cuz we in pole position for next tank. If gambit were honest he'd say a 3 year hard tank was needed to clear the dmar LMA rot,. and lo we are in year 2 or 3 depending on your definitions. okc plausible ahs a number one, Houston doesn't. thats where we'd be somewhere in between. Dallas is the worst team in the div becuse they maxed out and didn't ring. End of discussion.

[Sugus]

Well, of course - but gambit is getting roasted for saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division several years before we drafted Wemby, a time period during which they proceeded to be terrible. Once the ping balls gave us Wemby, that all changed. It's not all that inconsistent to say "we have a terrible future" and then when circumstances change say "the future is bright". Just like it's not inconsistent for me to currently be optimistic for the future but change my tune if Wemby were to be called back to his home planet.

No, the post was made on the leading up to the Wemby draft. I distinctly recall stating that "we could draft Victor this summer and have our future changed forever" or something to that effect, which went on to happen. I also distinctly remember Gambit doubling down on his prediction, something to the tune of "The Grizzlies have Ja, the Pelicans have Zion, the Spurs have: ??". And then, again, we landed Victor.

He's getting a rightful roast on those two factors alone, tbh. And yes, it's pretty inconsistent to ascertain that someone has a terrible future, only to quickly want to spend the money they got by hitting the lottery a week after your "divination", don't you think? Like, that's what makes a prediction good... Getting it right.

E: wait, did I forget to mention that the basis of the "worst future" take was that the Spurs apparently would never recover from "losing out" on trading DDR/LMA for picks? Something the Spurs have never been hampered by? He should be roasted for that as well :lol

[Sugus]

And let me double down for the sake of it: I maintain that the Spurs by no means have the worst future in their division, and will likely be reaching a Finals and/or winning it before all other remaining conference team members do so.

Even if it takes another tanking season to get there, I believe in the Spurs much more so than their conference rivals, and hardly anything they've done (and everything their rivals have done, sans the Mavs this season (well I don't see that core being sustained excellence, but w/e)) leads me to hold a contrary opinion, though I know it's an unpopular take to hold here.

[scott]

No, the post was made on the leading up to the Wemby draft. I distinctly recall stating that "we could draft Victor this summer and have our future changed forever" or something to that effect, which went on to happen. I also distinctly remember Gambit doubling down on his prediction, something to the tune of "The Grizzlies have Ja, the Pelicans have Zion, the Spurs have: ??". And then, again, we landed Victor.

He's getting a rightful roast on those two factors alone, tbh. And yes, it's pretty inconsistent to ascertain that someone has a terrible future, only to quickly want to spend the money they got by hitting the lottery a week after your "divination", don't you think? Like, that's what makes a prediction good... Getting it right.

E: wait, did I forget to mention that the basis of the "worst future" take was that the Spurs apparently would never recover from "losing out" on trading DDR/LMA for picks? Something the Spurs have never been hampered by? He should be roasted for that as well :lol

Then maybe I'm thinking of a different post, and not the post you guys are roasting him for, because the "Spurs have the worst future in their division" post was made in January of 2021, which is not what I'd consider "leading up to the Wemby draft".

But if there is some other egregiously bad take different from this one that you are roasting him for (heck, maybe he's made multiple?), then please carry on.

[scott]

And let me double down for the sake of it: I maintain that the Spurs by no means have the worst future in their division, and will likely be reaching a Finals and/or winning it before all other remaining conference team members do so.

Even if it takes another tanking season to get there, I believe in the Spurs much more so than their conference rivals, and hardly anything they've done (and everything their rivals have done, sans the Mavs this season (well I don't see that core being sustained excellence, but w/e)) leads me to hold a contrary opinion, though I know it's an unpopular take to hold here.

My point is that having this position now doesn't refute the position that the Spurs had the worst future in the vision in January of 2021. The circumstances changed. Where once they had a fairly grim looking future, the lotto gods shone their divine light upon us, and the future is now bright. It's okay to have once believed we had the worst future but now believe we have the best.

[TimmyBuckets]

Mortgage the future how? Spurs aren't gonna tank anyway and are gonna try to win. OP you're making it sound like there's someone the Spurs can pursue right now. What's the point of this?

[TD 21]

My point is that having this position now doesn't refute the position that the Spurs had the worst future in the vision in January of 2021. The circumstances changed. Where once they had a fairly grim looking future, the lotto gods shone their divine light upon us, and the future is now bright. It's okay to have once believed we had the worst future but now believe we have the best.

Ah, but according to the masses who believe being a front office executive involves unilateral decision making and is more skill than luck, shouldn't the Spurs get credit for positioning themselves to have the best possible odds?

Because if it were the Warriors, Craptors, Heat, Thunder or some other flavor of the month, they damn sure would be made to have been geniuses for that.

[scott]

Ah, but according to the masses who believe being a front office executive involves unilateral decision making and is more skill than luck, shouldn't the Spurs get credit for positioning themselves to have the best possible odds?

Because if it were the Warriors, Craptors, Heat, Thunder or some other flavor of the month, they damn sure would be made to have been geniuses for that.

Well, I can't answer for the masses, because I'm not the masses... I'm only me and I only have my opinions, not the opinions of the masses.

I've consistently given his FO credit for tearing it down (which is what is required to give yourself top odds) and adding assets. My criticism has been what we do to build from here now that we've bottomed out and have our franchise centerpiece.

I really don't care about the Warriors, Raptors, Thunder, etc other than to the extent they stand in the Spurs way. You seem to have an obsession with the media's view of those teams, or the sanctity of their achievements. I don't share the same obsession, adn frankly see how any of it is relevant to how we evaluate the Spurs.

[TD 21]

Well, I can't answer for the masses, because I'm not the masses... I'm only me and I only have my opinions, not the opinions of the masses.

I've consistently given his FO credit for tearing it down (which is what is required to give yourself top odds) and adding assets. My criticism has been what we do to build from here now that we've bottomed out and have our franchise centerpiece.

I really don't care about the Warriors, Raptors, Thunder, etc other than to the extent they stand in the Spurs way. You seem to have an obsession with the media's view of those teams, or the sanctity of their achievements. I don't share the same obsession, adn frankly see how any of it is relevant to how we evaluate the Spurs.

:lmao At playing holier than though, getting defensive/hostile and resorting to ad hominem because you come off as a hypocrite on this . . . some might be called sensitive for this.

You're essentially saying, if not for luck, where why would they be? (which is why my examples, much to your dismay, were in fact relevant and I didn't say anything about the media, you just wanted to get a shot in). So I don't want to hear about what came before or what otherwise might have or could come after.

I expect this from others, but for you this seemed out of left field . . . until I scrolled through the Wembanyama thread. Now I get it: You're a Golden Boy fanboy, so I must have struck a chord. :lmao

[gambit1990]

No, the post was made on the leading up to the Wemby draft.
Sugus is dead wrong :lmao

the "Spurs have the worst future in their division" post was made in January of 2021, which is not what I'd consider "leading up to the Wemby draft".
:tu:tu

here's a reciept for your dumbāss Sugus:
https://i.imgur.com/cpEC8KG.png

[gambit1990]

Mortgage the future how? Spurs aren't gonna tank anyway and are gonna try to win. OP you're making it sound like there's someone the Spurs can pursue right now. What's the point of this?
mortgage the future by combing draft pickings & assets.

some people on here do what the spurs to tank, which makes no sense to me.

and there's always someone the spurs could pursue tbh.

the point of this thread is i want the spurs to go all in now, instead of a slow build. you won't have to go okc's route anymore with someone like wemby on the roster.

[scott]

:lmao At playing holier than though, getting defensive/hostile and resorting to ad hominem because you come off as a hypocrite on this . . . some might be called sensitive for this.

You're essentially saying, if not for luck, where why would they be? (which is why my examples, much to your dismay, were in fact relevant and I didn't say anything about the media, you just wanted to get a shot in). So I don't want to hear about what came before or what otherwise might have or could come after.

I expect this from others, but for you this seemed out of left field . . . until I scrolled through the Wembanyama thread. Now I get it: You're a Golden Boy fanboy, so I must have struck a chord. :lmao

I'm actually not even sure what the hell you're talking about here... but I'll play along.

My comment of "if not for luck..." was specifically in reference to gambit getting roasted for making a post in Jan of 2021 saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division. He was actually pretty close to spot on with that (we actually had the second worst record in the division though, from January 2021 to now, we have a better record than Houston, despite their improvement last season), and the circumstances changed when we got lucky and drafted Wemby.

If we hadn't gotten Wemby, and instead draft Scoot or Amen or Ausar, how would you currently feel about our future? But we didn't... we got Wemby, and thus our future now looks bright. Not seeing what's controversial about this.

As for being a "Golden Boy fanboy"... whatever man. I get it that you have some weird, deep seated bitterness towards Golden State and Toronto, but they aren't relevant to anything I've said in this thread and you're the one who brought them up. It's as if you have some weird, deep seated, bitter obsession. Yeah, I know already said that part... just making sure it gets through just how WEIRD this DEEP SEATED, BITTER OBESSION that you CONSTANTLY BRING UP is.

Thanks.

[spurraider21]

TD 21/RJ 24 continuing to just be the thinnest skinned, softest poster around :lol

[exstatic]

TD 21/RJ 24 continuing to just be the thinnest skinned, softest poster around :lol

This is probably the post that drove him over the edge…

[spurraider21]

This is probably the post that drove him over the edge…
:bobo

[Allan Rowe vs Wade]

let's face it we've been through some dark times as spurs fans in the past 10 years

[kht]

Nah let's get Cooper Flag and Ace Bailey and then go for it.

[KingKev]

Nah let's get Cooper Flag and Ace Bailey and then go for it.

Yesssir #Poop4Coop

[The Truth #6]

For years now, Pop's odd pet lineups have blurred the line between tanking and trying to win. As in, when he puts in our scrubs to lose like at the end of the last season we win more games. Outside of VW, our spectrum of talent is fairly even.

I'm definitely excited for next season, in part to see expectations crash, confusion reign, and hopefully we draft our second star in the process. But VW will be out for blood so it will be interesting to see that as well.

Just rambling...

[KingKev]

For years now, Pop's odd pet lineups have blurred the line between tanking and trying to win. As in, when he puts in our scrubs to lose like at the end of the last season we win more games. Outside of VW, our spectrum of talent is fairly even.

I'm definitely excited for next season, in part to see expectations crash, confusion reign, and hopefully we draft our second star in the process. But VW will be out for blood so it will be interesting to see that as well.

Just rambling...

I think this season could go either way. With health to Wemby and CP3 the playoffs are well within reach. It’ll only take a few other guys stepping up to really be a competitive play-in team. I also see a scenario where we can’t sustain a period of injuries or tough schedule and begin to manage a soft tank. Our bench is horrid and I think it is premature to wxpect much from Castle although I’m optimistic.

[The Truth #6]

Yeah, lots of possible outcomes. Hopefully CP3 can help our role players be role players and not do more than they are capable (Keldon, Sochan, Devin, basically everybody).

[JPB]

More than division. I'd look at the conference and it's fair to say OKC has prolly the best, non hypothetical future right now.

They have their two cornerstone players, on a good timeline, one entering his prime as an already MVP candidate, the other on a rookie contract for another 2 years as a future top player too, then a bunch of prospects (even if all of them won't pan), and another bunch of picks to draft or trade for a third banana and/or quality role players... And they're already contenders.

Next year's draft and free agency will be key for the spurs. Hopefully they wo'nt run out of luck cos they really need to get a top 5 pick, to get a star or trade for one with the pick. Getting a 8th pick or so would already be a disappoitment. And I'm not sure anyway what kind of said star could be available in a vacuum. So yeah, there's obviously a path but also uncertainty for the spurs. Having Wemby alone doesn't guarantee you future success.

[exstatic]

More than division. I'd look at the conference and it's fair to say OKC has prolly the best, non hypothetical future right now.

They have their two cornerstone players, on a good timeline, one entering his prime as an already MVP candidate, the other on a rookie contract for another 2 years as a future top player too, then a bunch of prospects (even if all of them won't pan), and another bunch of picks to draft or trade for a third banana and/or quality role players... And they're already contenders.

Next year's draft and free agency will be key for the spurs. Hopefully they wo'nt run out of luck cos they really need to get a top 5 pick, to get a star or trade for one with the pick. Getting a 8th pick or so would already be a disappoitment. And I'm not sure anyway what kind of said star could be available in a vacuum. So yeah, there's obviously a path but also uncertainty for the spurs. Having Wemby alone doesn't guarantee you future success.

OKC is going to have money problems sooner than later.

[Sugus]

Then maybe I'm thinking of a different post, and not the post you guys are roasting him for, because the "Spurs have the worst future in their division" post was made in January of 2021, which is not what I'd consider "leading up to the Wemby draft".

But if there is some other egregiously bad take different from this one that you are roasting him for (heck, maybe he's made multiple?), then please carry on.

Nah, that's the one. I hit send on the post, and wondered myself, but was too lazy to go have a look :lol .

In any case, getting Wemby the year after hardly changes my original point (that any measuring of "future" from the start of that post would obviously include more than a single season or two, and clearly was made with an overarching prediction in mind, not thinking the Spurs would get Wemby, as the post ITT confirm). But alas, I'll take the L here :)


My point is that having this position now doesn't refute the position that the Spurs had the worst future in the vision in January of 2021. The circumstances changed. Where once they had a fairly grim looking future, the lotto gods shone their divine light upon us, and the future is now bright. It's okay to have once believed we had the worst future but now believe we have the best.

While I don't disagree with your point overall - it does fly in the absolute face of the whole point of making a "prediction thread", doesn't it? Like, why doesn't everyone just create "Spurs 2026 Champs!!!", "Spurs 2027 Champs!!!" threads and so on, since they can just say "oh, they looked certain to win the title when I made that thread!!".

You make a bold prediction thread when, no matter what the current landscape looks like, you have a gut feeling or belief (or some other kind of intel/reasoning) that lends credence to your claim. If your "prediction" is outdated and the opposite is actually true, only a measly year or two later.... What the fuck are you predicting shit for, TBQH? Just STFU like the rest of us do instead of cluttering the forum up with "the Sun's coming out tomorrow!" posts.

Not like Gambit was ever good with doing that, but I digress :lol

[Sugus]

Sugus is dead wrong :lmao

:tu:tu

here's a reciept for your dumbāss Sugus:
https://i.imgur.com/cpEC8KG.png

Take a victory lap, champ, you've been needing one :lol :clap

[scott]

Nah, that's the one. I hit send on the post, and wondered myself, but was too lazy to go have a look :lol .

In any case, getting Wemby the year after hardly changes my original point (that any measuring of "future" from the start of that post would obviously include more than a single season or two, and clearly was made with an overarching prediction in mind, not thinking the Spurs would get Wemby, as the post ITT confirm). But alas, I'll take the L here :)



While I don't disagree with your point overall - it does fly in the absolute face of the whole point of making a "prediction thread", doesn't it? Like, why doesn't everyone just create "Spurs 2026 Champs!!!", "Spurs 2027 Champs!!!" threads and so on, since they can just say "oh, they looked certain to win the title when I made that thread!!".

You make a bold prediction thread when, no matter what the current landscape looks like, you have a gut feeling or belief (or some other kind of intel/reasoning) that lends credence to your claim. If your "prediction" is outdated and the opposite is actually true, only a measly year later.... What the fuck are you predicting shit for, TBQH? Just STFU like the rest of us do instead of cluttering the forum up with "the Sun's coming out tomorrow!" posts.

Not like Gambit was ever good with doing that, but I digress :lol

Moving off gambit, that is a fun question about the value of predictions. I'd argue that ALL predictions are only good for the time frame in which the same major conditions apply and in fact any rational prediction based in logic should have the implied disclaimer of "based on the current available information and circumstances, I predict..."

It's kind of like if a climatologist says they predict a busy hurricane season, but then an asteroid slams into the Earth... I'm not really going to hold them to be wrong on their hurricane prediction :lol

Similarly, predicting now that the Spurs have a bright future isn't wholly invalidated if Wemby decides next week he doesn't actually like basketball and instead found his passion watching Raygun perform at the Olympics and he is pursuing break dancing instead... the Spurs future will no longer look so bright, but it won't necessarily make me look like a complete idiot for having made the other prediction.

But we can agree on this... fuck gambit. His "worst prediction" thread was just lame because it didn't contain any substance. Do better.

[scott]

OKC is going to have money problems sooner than later.

Not sure I see it the same way. They've got Shai locked up for 3 more years at only 25% of the cap, Chet for another two years at what amounts to an MLE deal, and JWill at a bargain 4% of the cap deal. They overpaid for Hartenstein, but i's a short-term deal that nicely coincides with the Chet and JWill deals. The rest of the team is just a bunch of solid role players. Dort has got 3 years at 10% of the cap left, Isaiah Joe has 4 years at a sub-MLE deal, Queso Wallace is on a cheap rookie deal for 3 more... JWill probably does a rookie max deal while Chet probably does below the max, and everything kind of fits. The biggest impact they'll have is not being able to retain someone like Hartenstein.

I see what OKC doing as pretty similar to what the Rockets did (money wise) and how honestly I would have liked to see the Spurs use their cap space (we can still do so next summer). Load up on short term deals for useful vets, even on slight overpays, while you've got Wemby on a rookie deal. I guess in a way we did that, unfortunately it was just with Zach fucking Collins.

[LeBowen]

Not sure I see it the same way. They've got Shai locked up for 3 more years at only 25% of the cap, Chet for another two years at what amounts to an MLE deal, and JWill at a bargain 4% of the cap deal. They overpaid for Hartenstein, but i's a short-term deal that nicely coincides with the Chet and JWill deals. The rest of the team is just a bunch of solid role players. Dort has got 3 years at 10% of the cap left, Isaiah Joe has 4 years at a sub-MLE deal, Queso Wallace is on a cheap rookie deal for 3 more... JWill probably does a rookie max deal while Chet probably does below the max, and everything kind of fits. The biggest impact they'll have is not being able to retain someone like Hartenstein.

I see what OKC doing as pretty similar to what the Rockets did (money wise) and how honestly I would have liked to see the Spurs use their cap space (we can still do so next summer). Load up on short term deals for useful vets, even on slight overpays, while you've got Wemby on a rookie deal. I guess in a way we did that, unfortunately it was just with Zach fucking Collins.

Imo, the thing with OKC is that they'll be fine managing SGA/Chet/JWill core, but that's it. No fourth max player or deep bench if they end up with a supermax+2max in a few years.
We'll see if those three will be good enough to win it all, but if that's the core, then all those picks become somewhat useless if we talk getting another star.

I guess Presti won't hesitate to trade JWill and picks for a legit MVP level player or keep using picks to get elite role players on team-friendly deals like he did with Caruso.

But a lot of people expected OKC to somehow become the next KD Warriors and that just can't happen, luckily for us.
Obviously they can still draft some more good players, but won't be able to keep everyone as long as those rookie contracts are up.

[scott]

Imo, the thing with OKC is that they'll be fine managing SGA/Chet/JWill core, but that's it. No fourth max player or deep bench if they end up with a supermax+2max in a few years.
We'll see if those three will be good enough to win it all, but if that's the core, then all those picks become somewhat useless if we talk getting another star.

I guess Presti won't hesitate to trade JWill and picks for a legit MVP level player or keep using picks to get elite role players on team-friendly deals like he did with Caruso.

But a lot of people expected OKC to somehow become the next KD Warriors and that just can't happen, luckily for us.
Obviously they can still draft some more good players, but won't be able to keep everyone as long as those rookie contracts are up.

Yeah, with the new CBA it kind of limits any team from being the next KD Warriors, so it kind of applies across the board. I do think if Presti needs to, he won't hesitate to move JWill or Chet to upgrade the core. SGA is the guy, everyone else is there to support him. This is kind of the way it should be with Wemby. If Wemby + Vassell + Whoever prove not good enough of a big 3 to win it, then Vassell or [Whoever] needs to be upgraded so that you can. I think the 2 Max + Near Max guy as the core model will be the meta going forward.

[exstatic]

Imo, the thing with OKC is that they'll be fine managing SGA/Chet/JWill core, but that's it. No fourth max player or deep bench if they end up with a supermax+2max in a few years.
We'll see if those three will be good enough to win it all, but if that's the core, then all those picks become somewhat useless if we talk getting another star.

I guess Presti won't hesitate to trade JWill and picks for a legit MVP level player or keep using picks to get elite role players on team-friendly deals like he did with Caruso.

But a lot of people expected OKC to somehow become the next KD Warriors and that just can't happen, luckily for us.
Obviously they can still draft some more good players, but won't be able to keep everyone as long as those rookie contracts are up.

A couple of key players that could unlock a trophy are Caruso and Hartenstein, so I’m seeing their window as maybe 3 years with the full drafted and acquired crew.

[Pauleta14]

More than division. I'd look at the conference and it's fair to say OKC has prolly the best, non hypothetical future right now.

They have their two cornerstone players, on a good timeline, one entering his prime as an already MVP candidate, the other on a rookie contract for another 2 years as a future top player too, then a bunch of prospects (even if all of them won't pan), and another bunch of picks to draft or trade for a third banana and/or quality role players... And they're already contenders.

Next year's draft and free agency will be key for the spurs. Hopefully they wo'nt run out of luck cos they really need to get a top 5 pick, to get a star or trade for one with the pick. Getting a 8th pick or so would already be a disappoitment. And I'm not sure anyway what kind of said star could be available in a vacuum. So yeah, there's obviously a path but also uncertainty for the spurs. Having Wemby alone doesn't guarantee you future success.

I'm not sure, I could be overly optimistic but to me Spurs have the brightest future IF Wemby stays healthy.

Okc might be better today but they're not as attractive as the Spurs with Wemby and the "pedigree" of the Franchise.

Both teams have about the same type of draft capital short term but all Spurs need is one allstar addition or even better Vassell taking a huge leap and becoming an allstar level player.

[gambit1990]

His "worst prediction" thread was just lame because it didn't contain any substance.
it was very substantive.

a) the spurs were #1 in their division when i said they have the worst future in the division, so i wasn't kicking a dog while it was down:
https://i.ibb.co/PN3V42y/182-C5-F98-048-F-4-FAC-A295-EC3-AF5609-BDA.jpg
they ended the year 4th out of five. then ended the next two years 5th out of five. QED.

b) the whole point of the thread was to go okc's route then. per the very first post in the thread:

imagine if they just let la and demar walk for nothing :lmao
demar's trade value was the highest at this point. instead they held on and moved him during the offseason when the league knew the spurs were desperate to part ways. they could've gotten a much better deal.

they ended up getting nothing for la since they bought him out when the spurs' downward spiral had already started. also got nothing for rudy gay since he walked. the spurs, at the very least, could've netted three draft picks when their record was fool's gold.



(remember, the posts below are from 2021)

sugus acting like this season isn't indicative of what's to come.

everyone here should have a problem with the FO moves / how the roster is assembled... guess what: lebron james, kawhi leonard, kevin durant ain't walking thru the door next season to save this team.

as simple as i can put it, again: the spurs are bad now despite trying to be good. they aren't going to somehow all of sudden improve dramatically by next season.

not even trying to be rude or troll but why would anyone have hope in this team?

internal improvement? :lol
gonna sign a big name FA? :lol
how did things turn out with lonnie, luka samanic, bryn forbes, drew eubanks?


i also think murray will still want out.
^^i made a separate thread about when murray would be traded (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=298674). everyone laughed. but i nailed exactly when it would take place.


i voted this offseason. i think he'll do it privately, it'd be the opposite of the kawhi / harden / ben simmons situations.

don't forget that he's with klutch.

[gambit1990]

OP dropping truth nukes, owning ST homers per usual.
some things never change :toast:toast

[JPB]

I'm not sure, I could be overly optimistic but to me Spurs have the brightest future IF Wemby stays healthy.

Okc might be better today but they're not as attractive as the Spurs with Wemby and the "pedigree" of the Franchise.

Both teams have about the same type of draft capital short term but all Spurs need is one allstar addition or even better Vassell taking a huge leap and becoming an allstar level player.

That pedigree has died years ago, and never brought any marquee FAs, except LMA (who had his kids here). Spurs are not the golden standard anymore and have never been an attractive destination. And I'm not sure Wemby changes much to that, as long as spurs are bottom feeders anyway. Chet/SGA is as much attractive than Wemby, maybe more for an older star in his prime if you consider they're already contenders.

And it's not like there's that many fitting stars available at any time.

[KobesAchilles]

I mean we picked the perfect draft to tank. So I’m not bummed that we didn’t tank earlier. I am bummed about us missing with our picks. We gotta surround Wemby with actual players some point soon. That would be nice. But imagine if we did tank sooner and we got Banchero or Mobley. That would’ve been disastrous. They’re not bad players but they ain’t worth Vic.

[Pauleta14]

That pedigree has died years ago, and never brought any marquee FAs, except LMA (who had his kids here). Spurs are not the golden standard anymore and have never been an attractive destination. And I'm not sure Wemby changes much to that, as long as spurs are bottom feeders anyway. Chet/SGA is as much attractive than Wemby, maybe more for an older star in his prime if you consider they're already contenders.

And it's not like there's that many fitting stars available at any time.

I'm not talking about the Spurs fanbase.

Even if having Wemby was a factor, both the vets we signed were clearly also reassured by the presence of Pop and the Spurs pedigree.

Last season every media/journalists agreed that Wemby was lucky to end up in SA. For a reason.

I'm not saying suddenly Spurs will become THE place to be, I was just comparing with OKC, a smaller market than SA imo and that don't have yet the "cachet" that Spurs and PATFO (still) have.

Anyway, it's just a prediction, we'll see, but I'm more optimistic than you (as long as Wemby is available)

[JPB]

I'm not talking about the Spurs fanbase.

Even if having Wemby was a factor, both the vets we signed were clearly also reassured by the presence of Pop and the Spurs pedigree.

Last season every media/journalists agreed that Wemby was lucky to end up in SA. For a reason.

I'm not saying suddenly Spurs will become THE place to be, I was just comparing with OKC, a smaller market than SA imo and that don't have yet the "cachet" that Spurs and PATFO (still) have.

Anyway, it's just a prediction, we'll see, but I'm more optimistic than you (as long as Wemby is available)

It's not so much about optimism/pessimism than tangible, actual facts. What you're mentioning is very subjective and elusive, and probably more an "image d'Epinal", (my french fella) than media are still rehashing than reality, which is spurs development program has'nt done that good these past few years, without any real success to show for them, and for all the respect I have for him, Pop hasn't either lookingg pretty lost and outdated. We're coming from 2 consecutive 22 win seasons. Wemby would have done well anywhere anyway.

As for the vets, we got a washed up CP3 on his last legs who probably came here more for the promise he got to be traded at the deadline than anything, and a Barnes who's a solid vet but nothing to jump on the curtains either (and who might also have gotten the same promise). Not like spurs attracted top, coveted vets and not sure spurs are attracting players more than any other team, probably still less actually. I believe players and media are still respecting the spurs more for their past than their present.

[JPB]

And tbh, if I'm a star in my prime today and have the choice between OKC and a chance to be a title favorite from Day 1 and the next 4-5 years, or SA where I'll probably have to wait 2-3 years to see Castle, 25's pick and Wemby develop before starting to really contend, assuming everyone actually pans out... I'm picking OKC.

SA could maybe be a better or equally attractive destination in 2-3 years tho.

[scott]

Been hearing about the supposed appeal of PATFO and the Spurs "pedigree" for 20+ years now, and it's only landed us LMA. Color me skeptical.

[exstatic]

Been hearing about the supposed appeal of PATFO and the Spurs "pedigree" for 20+ years now, and it's only landed us LMA. Color me skeptical.

Add up all of the All NBA players signed as FAs by OKC,Indy,Sacto, and Utah, and it’s zero. The thing that has stopped us from signing FAs of multiple levels are the wives. Kidd and Korver come to mind. Gotta do better with that.

[scott]

Add up all of the All NBA players signed as FAs by OKC,Indy,Sacto, and Utah, and it’s zero. The thing that has stopped us from signing FAs of multiple levels are the wives. Kidd and Korver come to mind. Gotta do better with that.

What an amazing list of winning franchises to be lumped in with.

[MannyIsGod]

gambit getting a lot of flack here, and probably rightfully so, but if you remove the lotto luck for Wemby from the equation, and the Spurs would be one of the worst teams in the NBA. When the lotto gods favored us, everything changed, but other than that... hard to say he was wrong.

I know I'm late to respond to this but...

I don't think its hard at all to say he's wrong. Why would we think that the Spurs had a worst future than a team like the Rockets at that time? Dallas already had Luka, and Memphis and NOLA were on the rise but Houston was still absolute shit and really hasn't done anything to merit praise. It was inevitable that the Spurs would have to bottom out, but I would argue they maximized their opportunity to do so. And sure, that involves the lottery luck to go your way, but the expected value of tanking in a year with Wemby is a lot higher than tanking in years like last year and that was a direct decision they made. Knowing when to make your move to maximize the reward for the risk is vital. You can maybe make the argument that the Rockets had a slightly better 2 years ago when the Spurs traded Dejonte but that's well after the thread was made and even then its debatable.

People on this forum love to act like Sengun is the next coming because they wanted to draft him, but I promise you the Rockets aren't exactly foaming at the mouth to give him a max contract. Same thing with Green who isn't as good.

When confronted by this in the thread Gambit never was able to back it up. When confronted that other teams were still finishing worse than the Spurs, he just deflected and talked about the future and that he didn't mean THAT year. Just because the Rockets started the tank earlier and had high lotto picks on their team before the Spurs doesn't necessarily mean they had a better future. Providing vague statements about what you actually mean for something that was inevitable (the Spurs being bad again at some point) is exactly the kind of move grifters use.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, of course - but gambit is getting roasted for saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division several years before we drafted Wemby, a time period during which they proceeded to be terrible. Once the ping balls gave us Wemby, that all changed. It's not all that inconsistent to say "we have a terrible future" and then when circumstances change say "the future is bright". Just like it's not inconsistent for me to currently be optimistic for the future but change my tune if Wemby were to be called back to his home planet.

Terrible =! Worst

[MannyIsGod]

let's face it we've been through some dark times as spurs fans in the past 10 years

We've had some shit not go our way in the past decade, but we also won a fucking title and were very good for part of that decade. Spurs fans really don't have a clue how good they've had it. This is probably the worst period in our franchises history but its still not even that bad and now we have the best prospect of the last 20 years.

[MannyIsGod]

Just to reinforce the Rockets vs Spurs stuff: The ONLY year the Spurs have finished with a worst record than the Rockets since that thread was made was last year, after we had Wemby. The Rockets are likely to finish better than the Spurs again this year, but this is probably the last year I'd wager that's the case but in no way are the Rockets looking like barn burners this year. If the players they are counting on to take steps do, then they'll be better, but that is far from a given.

I just don't see how anyone could say the Rockets have demonstrated having a clearly better future than the Spurs at any point after that thread was made. Yeah, you can argue that is simply because the Spurs won the lottery in a Wemby year and that is correct, but that's why you don't make stupid predictions that don't allow for the possibility of events like that. This was always a possibility and its one the Spurs actively pursued.

[exstatic]

What an amazing list of winning franchises to be lumped in with.

It’s our market tier.

[scott]

It’s our market tier.

So... we're right on par with our market tier contemporaries, and thus the PATFO and Spurs Pedigree adds nothing. Glad we agree!

[scott]

I know I'm late to respond to this but...

I don't think its hard at all to say he's wrong. Why would we think that the Spurs had a worst future than a team like the Rockets at that time? Dallas already had Luka, and Memphis and NOLA were on the rise but Houston was still absolute shit and really hasn't done anything to merit praise. It was inevitable that the Spurs would have to bottom out, but I would argue they maximized their opportunity to do so. And sure, that involves the lottery luck to go your way, but the expected value of tanking in a year with Wemby is a lot higher than tanking in years like last year and that was a direct decision they made. Knowing when to make your move to maximize the reward for the risk is vital. You can maybe make the argument that the Rockets had a slightly better 2 years ago when the Spurs traded Dejonte but that's well after the thread was made and even then its debatable.

People on this forum love to act like Sengun is the next coming because they wanted to draft him, but I promise you the Rockets aren't exactly foaming at the mouth to give him a max contract. Same thing with Green who isn't as good.

When confronted by this in the thread Gambit never was able to back it up. When confronted that other teams were still finishing worse than the Spurs, he just deflected and talked about the future and that he didn't mean THAT year. Just because the Rockets started the tank earlier and had high lotto picks on their team before the Spurs doesn't necessarily mean they had a better future. Providing vague statements about what you actually mean for something that was inevitable (the Spurs being bad again at some point) is exactly the kind of move grifters use.


Terrible =! Worst


We've had some shit not go our way in the past decade, but we also won a fucking title and were very good for part of that decade. Spurs fans really don't have a clue how good they've had it. This is probably the worst period in our franchises history but its still not even that bad and now we have the best prospect of the last 20 years.


Just to reinforce the Rockets vs Spurs stuff: The ONLY year the Spurs have finished with a worst record than the Rockets since that thread was made was last year, after we had Wemby. The Rockets are likely to finish better than the Spurs again this year, but this is probably the last year I'd wager that's the case but in no way are the Rockets looking like barn burners this year. If the players they are counting on to take steps do, then they'll be better, but that is far from a given.

I just don't see how anyone could say the Rockets have demonstrated having a clearly better future than the Spurs at any point after that thread was made. Yeah, you can argue that is simply because the Spurs won the lottery in a Wemby year and that is correct, but that's why you don't make stupid predictions that don't allow for the possibility of events like that. This was always a possibility and its one the Spurs actively pursued.

You're quibbling over whether the Spurs were the worst, or marginally the second worst. Plot is officially lost.

[tonight...you]

Add up all of the All NBA players signed as FAs by OKC,Indy,Sacto, and Utah, and it’s zero. The thing that has stopped us from signing FAs of multiple levels are the wives. Kidd and Korver come to mind. Gotta do better with that.
Potentially Batum also.

[Pauleta14]

It's not so much about optimism/pessimism than tangible, actual facts. What you're mentioning is very subjective and elusive, and probably more an "image d'Epinal", (my french fella) than media are still rehashing than reality, which is spurs development program has'nt done that good these past few years, without any real success to show for them, and for all the respect I have for him, Pop hasn't either lookingg pretty lost and outdated. We're coming from 2 consecutive 22 win seasons. Wemby would have done well anywhere anyway.

As for the vets, we got a washed up CP3 on his last legs who probably came here more for the promise he got to be traded at the deadline than anything, and a Barnes who's a solid vet but nothing to jump on the curtains either (and who might also have gotten the same promise). Not like spurs attracted top, coveted vets and not sure spurs are attracting players more than any other team, probably still less actually. I believe players and media are still respecting the spurs more for their past than their present.

The global reaction and unanimous analysis when SA had the 1st pick was "no better place than SA/with Pop for Wemby", to the point of having conspiracy theories on the NBA "gifting" the pick to SA.

This is not subjective or an "image d'Epinal", it's factual.

But forget that, Wemby by himself is enough anyway, if you have to chose between OKC and the Spurs, only the latter have a cheat code that will make you opened all the time bc of the attention he requires.

[exstatic]

So... we're right on par with our market tier contemporaries, and thus the PATFO and Spurs Pedigree adds nothing. Glad we agree!

Nope. None of them signed anyone of the caliber of LMA. Hell, I doubt any of them have signed anyone of the caliber of past prime Finley or Barry.

[scott]

Nope. None of them signed anyone of the caliber of LMA. Hell, I doubt any of them have signed anyone of the caliber of past prime Finley or Barry.

The internet exists. You are allowed to research things before you post them. I know this is your Achilles heel.

[Barfunk]

I'd love to see a 50 win season, but not sure that's realistic. In other words, I'd love to win now.

[gambit1990]

Why would we think that the Spurs had a worst future than a team like the Rockets at that time? Dallas already had Luka, and Memphis and NOLA were on the rise but Houston was still absolute shit and really hasn't done anything to merit praise.
i posted the thread when the spurs were #1 in the division. i knew it was fool's gold. everyone blew that off. and blew off what you're saying now, except i said it years ago:

mavs have luka
griz have ja
pels have zion
rockets have picks





When confronted by this in the thread Gambit never was able to back it up.
try scrolling up one second before your post, i literally laid it all out.




When confronted that other teams were still finishing worse than the Spurs, he just deflected and talked about the future and that he didn't mean THAT year.
i literally said the spurs have the worst future in the division. they were #1 when i posted that, ended the season 4th. then 5th/last the next two years.


I mean you look around and you see Luka who is a generational talent and a franchise player. You see Ja Morant is becoming better and better and his pairing with JJJ looks really good for Memphis' future. Then you look at Zion and see him dropping like 26 a game on 68% shooting and looking more and more like a franchise player. Houston doing a proper tank job to maybe get their guy going forward.

And then there's us with no all-star, no franchise player, and no good draft pick to boot. We are also benching our youngsters for vets for no reason. Wtf are we even doing? But if you point that out, then you get laughed at and called dumb in the beginning of the thread... only to be proven right :lol
:tu:tu

[gambit1990]

it's just insane how much ST homers wanna whitewash how awful the spurs became when i called it about to happen.

they don't remember how much they loved bryn forbes being in the starting lineup? :lmao

[gambit1990]

did the spurs land wemby? yeah, awesome. that doesn't take away from the spurs being #1 in their division (when i posted that thread) to being near the bottom of the leagues' standings for years to come.

that thread was truth. stop acting like i said five years or decade :lol

[MannyIsGod]

You're quibbling over whether the Spurs were the worst, or marginally the second worst. Plot is officially lost.

The thread title literally says worst my dude. The thread title wasn't the Spurs will be bad in the future. Its pretty fucking clear what the claim was so if you're going to say the claim was right then why would I NOT verify that the Spurs were indeed the worst?

[scott]

The thread title literally says worst my dude. The thread title wasn't the Spurs will be bad in the future. Its pretty fucking clear what the claim was so if you're going to say the claim was right then why would I NOT verify that the Spurs were indeed the worst?

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU FUCKING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, accumulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.


Rockets send picks and swaps to OKC to offload CP3. Rockets send picks and swaps to WSH to offload Westchuck. Rockets recoup some picks, likely late first rounders, and swaps from the Harden trade. The second and third trades made the first one catastrophic. Those swaps looked worthless when the CP3 trade went down, but now they look to convey. The nets swaps will likely never convey, because the Nets will almost certainly remain the better team. So, the Rockets owe OKC a group of first rounders, and will be forced to swap any pick that is better than OKCs. They also owe a group of first rounders to WSH. The swaps are unknown in this case, but both teams will likely be in the lottery. They are owed a group of likely late first rounders by BKN, and pick swaps that will likely never convey. Huge net negative.

I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.


I don't see anyone in the division competing for a championship soon. Most aligned is Dallas, but they are closer to treadmill danger, with a budding superstar winning a lot of games but not enough support to push forward. Rockets will go down to the basement soon. Memphis seems like a nice team but are pieces away that won't ever appear. Spurs have good young talent and cap flexibility, but I'm not sure what the ceiling actually is.

Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.


I don't care if the Spurs win more or less regular season games. This season was always supposed to be about developing talent, and we're sure doing so. Keldon's looking like a stud, Vassell looks like he'll be a future stud, DJ is looking like a consistent borderline All-Star. Can we talk about that?

Fuck, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?


I still don't know this team's future, but they sure are loaded. Dallas, Houston, Memphis, they all have issues, with Memphis the better situated other than the Spurs. People say SAS has no stars, but they're pretty damn close.

LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.


The defensive potential of a team with DJ, White, Keldon, Devin, Luka, and Jakob is really promising. Not sure who you take out for a max-d starting 5, but its a good problem to have. Hard to think out future is bad

Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.


This thread will be good for many bumps. No, the Spurs don’t have a top two like Luka/KP, Zion/Ingram or Ja/JJJ. But the depth, flexibility and upside the Spurs trot out is outstanding and should keep them competitive with those teams. They hit it out of the park on their six first rounders in five consecutive drafts (worst pick being Walker who should be fine as a sixth man) plus the Poeltl trade who’s essentially another draft pick acquired by trade a couple years into his deal.

Spurs also have a ton more flexibility this offseason and still own all of their picks. Some people are acting like a very good, cost-controlled young core plus $50mm in cap space is a bad thing. Are they signing a superstar? No. But they have a lot of other paths to making the team a lot better.

My move would be to scour the league for a team looking to get off a contract and absorb it into cap space (still may have enough left to sign Demar without bird rights) and then also attach LWIV plus the Spurs’ pick to move towards the top of the draft. Essentially reset the clock on that contract and try to get the most upside possible. Hard to do with draft before FA, but that’s why PATFO get paid the big bucks.

This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.


Damn, if Luka pans out we gonna be decently stacked.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Samanic
Poeltl

White
Walker
Lyles

WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.

[BackHome]

Not asking for number 1 pick I would Very Happy if we could just do 4th and 8th pick. Those two players would be great additions to a Championship caliber team of the future

[scott]

Not asking for number 1 pick I would Very Happy if we could just do 4th and 8th pick. Those two players would be great additions to a Championship caliber team of the future

Can I interest you in a 20131 pick instead?

[DAF86]

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU FUCKING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, accumulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.



[/COLOR]I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.



Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.



Fuck, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?



LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.



Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.



This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.



[/COLOR]WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.




My post is pretty spot on, tbh. :wakeup Specially if you understand that it was tongue in cheek and I wasn't talking about a true stacked team but a "stacked" team for that era of Spurs basketball, which was trying to get to the playoffs.

An all-star lead guard, another borderline all-star guard, two 20 ppg wings, Poeltl and the qualifier of "if Samanic pans out". That would have been a very good team for years to come if Luka would have actually "panned out". Not a single lie was told, tbh. :hat

[tonight...you]

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU FUCKING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, accumulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.



[/COLOR]I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.



Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.



Fuck, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?



LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.



Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.



This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.



[/COLOR]WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.



Lol. I love you Scott, but you need a life.

[BackHome]

Can I interest you in a 20131 pick instead?

Nope all I asked the Basketball Gods was #1 pick in 23, and two lottery picks in 24,25

[gambit1990]

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, accumulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.
:tu:tu

[scott]

Lol. I love you Scott, but you need a life.

Wouldn't trade my life for anything, tbh

[baseline bum]

Not sure I see it the same way. They've got Shai locked up for 3 more years at only 25% of the cap, Chet for another two years at what amounts to an MLE deal, and JWill at a bargain 4% of the cap deal. They overpaid for Hartenstein, but i's a short-term deal that nicely coincides with the Chet and JWill deals. The rest of the team is just a bunch of solid role players. Dort has got 3 years at 10% of the cap left, Isaiah Joe has 4 years at a sub-MLE deal, Queso Wallace is on a cheap rookie deal for 3 more... JWill probably does a rookie max deal while Chet probably does below the max, and everything kind of fits. The biggest impact they'll have is not being able to retain someone like Hartenstein.

I see what OKC doing as pretty similar to what the Rockets did (money wise) and how honestly I would have liked to see the Spurs use their cap space (we can still do so next summer). Load up on short term deals for useful vets, even on slight overpays, while you've got Wemby on a rookie deal. I guess in a way we did that, unfortunately it was just with Zach fucking Collins.

I can't see any way Chet's not a max player unless he blows out a knee or something.

[gambit1990]

My post is pretty spot on, tbh. :wakeup Specially if you understand that it was tongue in cheek and I wasn't talking about a true stacked team but a "stacked" team for that era of Spurs basketball, which was trying to get to the playoffs.

An all-star lead guard, another borderline all-star guard, two 20 ppg wings, Poeltl and the qualifier of "if Samanic pans out". That would have been a very good team for years to come if Luka would have actually "panned out". Not a single lie was told, tbh. :hat
this is an L.


Damn, if Luka pans out we gonna be decently stacked.

Murray
Vassell
Keldon
Samanic
Poeltl

White
Walker
Lyles

[gambit1990]

"it was tongue in cheek" :lmao

[gambit1990]

DAF86 is a top ten poster, below me obviously. i called him out in that same thread.

[gambit1990]

*makes a thread on an entirely different subject*

ST homers: you were wrong!
me: i wasn't
ST homers: everyone knew the spurs would have a losing period !!
me: yeah, i predicted when it would happen. and it did.
ST homers: no!! you're wrong!

[JPB]

The global reaction and unanimous analysis when SA had the 1st pick was "no better place than SA/with Pop for Wemby", to the point of having conspiracy theories on the NBA "gifting" the pick to SA.

This is not subjective or an "image d'Epinal", it's factual.

But forget that, Wemby by himself is enough anyway, if you have to chose between OKC and the Spurs, only the latter have a cheat code that will make you opened all the time bc of the attention he requires.

What matters is not people's perception or reaction, or spurs fans homerism, those are not factual, it's subjective by definintion. And there's plenty of time when people first reaction proves wrong in sports... Only Reality is factual.

And reality is Spurs are coming off 5 losing seasons, the last 2 being two awful, their praised development program hasn't really done more than any other one would have done with the last 5 pîcks or so (maybe worse actually), only Devin as somehow a real keeper, and Pop has looked lost and outdated trying weird experimentations, in a team offering awful BB, that would have probably gotten him fired in any other franchise.

Wemby makes this franchise look much better than it is right now. He's hidding a lot of stuff and makes everyone pretty around... To have a factual idea of where this franchise is at, in terms of competence, you have to imagine we got Scoot instead.

spurs are still living off their past, and perception, as for credit is concerned, Pop being the best example. He isn't judged for what he has accomplished these past 5 years, or his abiltiy to run a rebuild filled with prospects, but for spurs former glory days.

[JPB]

And you're overstimating the impact Wemby will have on spurs abiltiy to attract FAs. these guys are dealing with their own career (and ego), they don't live for SA, Wemby or spurs fans wishes.This is a business, and much less romantic than what fans sometimes imagine. For these next 2-3 years, they'll take the chance to contend on a team like OKC any day over having to spend 3 years of their prime watching young prospects develop (or not) in SA. Winning a title is really hard, an opportunities rare.

Not to mention, not veryone will want to live under Victor's shadow but will prefer being the alpha somewhere else, specially in bigger markets... I didn't hear many rumors of stars dying to sign in SA so far, and what stars are we talkng about anyway? Giannis or Luka are not coming anytime soon, they'll prefer having THEIR team, than being Victor's sidekick. They're not gonna go like, "Hey look mom, I'm playing with Wemby!".

We shouldn't be reasoning as if having Wemby will NECESSARILY and naturally bring us to a 10 year dynasty, that this is written, all the stars fighting to come here and everyone surrendring to us... the NBA is really hard and doesn't exist just for the spurs.

[Pauleta14]

What matters is not people's perception or reaction, or spurs fans homerism, those are not factual, it's subjective by definintion. And there's plenty of time when people first reaction proves wrong in sports... Only Reality is factual.

And reality is Spurs are coming off 5 losing seasons, the last 2 being two awful, their praised development program hasn't really done more than any other one would have done with the last 5 pîcks or so (maybe worse actually), only Devin as somehow a real keeper, and Pop has looked lost and outdated trying weird experimentations, in a team offering awful BB, that would have probably gotten him fired in any other franchise.

Wemby makes this franchise look much better than it is right now. He's hidding a lot of stuff and makes everyone pretty around... To have a factual idea of where this franchise is at, in terms of competence, you have to imagine we got Scoot instead.

spurs are still living off their past, and perception, as for credit is concerned, Pop being the best example. He isn't judged for what he has accomplished these past 5 years, or his abiltiy to run a rebuild filled with prospects, but for spurs former glory days.

Regarding PATFO, I'm talking about perception and not my pov or the reality bro... (Unfortunately) perception matters a lot.

However, regarding Wemby's impact and the advantages the attention he demands generate, it's not perception but REALITY...

OKC is readier NOW, but where were they 2 seasons ago? Things can go fast with a good draft or trade.

[Pauleta14]

And you're overstimating the impact Wemby will have on spurs abiltiy to attract FAs. these guys are dealing with their own career (and ego), they don't live for SA, Wemby or spurs fans wishes.This is a business, and much less romantic than what fans sometimes imagine. For these next 2-3 years, they'll take the chance to contend on a team like OKC any day over having to spend 3 years of their prime watching young prospects develop (or not) in SA. Winning a title is really hard, an opportunities rare.

Not to mention, not veryone will want to live under Victor's shadow but will prefer being the alpha somewhere else, specially in bigger markets... I didn't hear many rumors of stars dying to sign in SA so far, and what stars are we talkng about anyway? Giannis or Luka are not coming anytime soon, they'll prefer having THEIR team, than being Victor's sidekick. They're not gonna go like, "Hey look mom, I'm playing with Wemby!".

We shouldn't be reasoning as if having Wemby will NECESSARILY and naturally bring us to a 10 year dynasty, that this is written, all the stars fighting to come here and everyone surrendring to us... the NBA is really hard and doesn't exist just for the spurs.


I'm not saying that at all... ^^

The topic was just comparing OKC and Spurs attractiveness and potential success short term.

I just don't agree that OKC is head a shoulders above, things go fast and Spurs have a unique player OKC can't compete with.

Also forgot the tax advantages of Texas (no idea bout Okc's tbh)

Anyway we'll see, will be fun to bring this exchange in a cple years :lol

[spurraider21]

I can't see any way Chet's not a max player unless he blows out a knee or something.
if Mobley got the max you can bet your ass Chet will. tbh the only question becomes if Chet becomes eligible for the bump after making an all-nba team or winning DPOY before his extension would kick in. wouldnt necessarily bet on it, but its plausible.

[Seventyniner]

if Mobley got the max you can bet your ass Chet will. tbh the only question becomes if Chet becomes eligible for the bump after making an all-nba team or winning DPOY before his extension would kick in. wouldnt necessarily bet on it, but its plausible.

The only question is if Chet becomes eligible for the supermax. That's a good problem to have for the Thunder, though it would make keeping their core together without going over the second apron more difficult. They might not even be willing to pay the luxury tax at all, which would hamper them further.

[exstatic]

The only question is if Chet becomes eligible for the supermax. That's a good problem to have for the Thunder, though it would make keeping their core together without going over the second apron more difficult. They might not even be willing to pay the luxury tax at all, which would hamper them further.

Their fucking owner wouldn’t before, and lost Harden over like $2M a year. What a tool. I guess he thought he could just dip into the draft and get another one,not realizing that drafting three HOF players in Durant, Westbrick, and Harden in consecutive drafts without a #1 pick is probably like us pulling DRob, then Tim, then Wemby.

[tonight...you]

Wouldn't trade my life for anything, tbh
Roger dodger bud.

[MannyIsGod]

It is about equivalent to if you posted a thread saying "I think we will have the most active hurricane season on record" and then later someone following up with "HAHA YOU FUCKING IDIOT IT WAS ONLY THE SECOND MOST ACTIVE HURRICAN SEASON ON RECORD, DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT"

When Gambit made the post, the Spurs were first in the division, had DDR, LMA, DJM and DW still on the team, people still had hope for WrongLuka. We didn't yet have our war chest of picks.

Credit to the FO, who evidently looked at that situation and agreed with gambit, deciding to then move off of every single one of those players, accumulate picks, tank, and get Wemby.

Here are some bangers from that thread.



[/COLOR]I chose this one because since we own far out swaps from the defending champ, defending runner up and defending WC runner up, it shows how quickly things can change. Turns out Rocket's warchest was pretty good.



Dallas rode the treadmill all the way to the finals. Pretty good.



Fuck, I'm sure glad we aren't riding on a big 3 of Keldon, Devin and DJM. How depressing would that be?



LOL. This was posted on 2/14/2021. We were LOADED! ROFL.



Pretty sure this was unit (minus Luka, who wasn't part of anything) was one of the worst defensively in the history of the NBA.



This is indicative of most of the responses in that thread, posted 3/3/21. No one was talking about the Spurs tanking and landing a guy like Wemby and that is how they turned around. People legit thought our future was bright because we had DJM, DW, Keldon, Devin, LWIV, Luka, etc. and CAP SPACE... LOL MUH CAP SPACE. Never fails to get people.



[/COLOR]WE STACKED!!! And this was a real post, not merely trolling!

I could go on, but it's just page after page of the same.

Gambit deserves roasting for being annoying, and not being able to construct posts in a coherent manner. But if I look back at his post (which I just did), his "worst future" take isn't the one that's laughable, in hindsight.

Thank god PATFO apparently believed less in the Spurs future than this board did, and decided to blow it up.




You get no argument for me that there are plenty of people making stupid predictions on Spurstalk, but that's kind of the point. Saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division isn't clearly correct when at no point did they clearly have a worse future than Houston is my point, and no amount of shit posts from other folks is going to change that is true. The hurricane analogy is terrible because being within one rank out of a dataset that includes ~100 entries is pretty fucking different than being 1 off in a dataset that includes 5 entries. There are only 4 other teams in the division for fucks sake! If you're going to say that we had the worst future out of all of them it should be pretty fucking clear that was the case if you're going to claim victory and I don't know how you can make the case that its that clear. This is exactly why you're not arguing along the lines of the Spurs actually having the worst future any at any point but posting what other people thought or that its OK to be close.

To be fair, I've aways hated that thread because its just one example of people posting bullshit on this site and then claiming their prediction was spot on when there never really was a prediction to begin with but rather it was someone just talking out of their ass. I know you understand my POV on this as someone who is also analytically minded. A broken clock is right two times a day and all that but it's not right when it reads 12:00 and the actual time is 11:00.

Also honestly, fuck gambit. Stop shooting him bail lol.

[MannyIsGod]

I can't see any way Chet's not a max player unless he blows out a knee or something.

Even with a blown knee the dude is getting a max, TBH. If not for Wemby last year, he'd be the best rookie in quite some time.

[baseline bum]

Even with a blown knee the dude is getting a max, TBH. If not for Wemby last year, he'd be the best rookie in quite some time.

Yeah kind of feel bad for him. If it wasn't for Wemby the media would be going insane over his rookie season. Though not too bad since he's making millions of dollars and on a ridiculously talented team.

[scott]

You get no argument for me that there are plenty of people making stupid predictions on Spurstalk, but that's kind of the point. Saying the Spurs had the worst future in their division isn't clearly correct when at no point did they clearly have a worse future than Houston is my point, and no amount of shit posts from other folks is going to change that is true. The hurricane analogy is terrible because being within one rank out of a dataset that includes ~100 entries is pretty fucking different than being 1 off in a dataset that includes 5 entries. There are only 4 other teams in the division for fucks sake! If you're going to say that we had the worst future out of all of them it should be pretty fucking clear that was the case if you're going to claim victory and I don't know how you can make the case that its that clear. This is exactly why you're not arguing along the lines of the Spurs actually having the worst future any at any point but posting what other people thought or that its OK to be close.

To be fair, I've aways hated that thread because its just one example of people posting bullshit on this site and then claiming their prediction was spot on when there never really was a prediction to begin with but rather it was someone just talking out of their ass. I know you understand my POV on this as someone who is also analytically minded. A broken clock is right two times a day and all that but it's not right when it reads 12:00 and the actual time is 11:00.

Also honestly, fuck gambit. Stop shooting him bail lol.

It's not my fault you can't predict hurricane seasons more accurately

[DAF86]

this is an L.

Murray, White, Vassell, Keldon, Poeltl and Samanic, if he would have panned out (a young PF that could spread the floor, put the ball in the floor and pass it a little). That team could have been above .500, imho.

[DAF86]

I didn't say Samanic was the shit. I didn't say they were gonna be good. I just stated that that core with a good floor stretching PF would have been "decently" stacked as in "we could maybe make the playoffs". Weren't the Spurs a play-in team even without that floor stretching PF that season? Where's the "L", tbh?

I have plenty of "L" takes, this isn't one, tbh.

[scott]

Murray, White, Vassell, Keldon, Poeltl and Samanic, if he would have panned out (a young PF that could spread the floor, put the ball in the floor and pass it a little). That team could have been above .500, imho.

tbh, I have a hard time seeing that team make the playoffs, unless by "panning out" you mean that Luka became (and I dare to say his name...) Lauri Markkanen.

[MannyIsGod]

It's not my fault you can't predict hurricane seasons more accurately

I'm sure Nostagambit could.

[DAF86]

tbh, I have a hard time seeing that team make the playoffs, unless by "panning out" you mean that Luka became (and I dare to say his name...) Lauri Markkanen.

He just needed to be good enough to be a rotation piece for them to be in the playoffs hunt, imho. I mean, they were a play-in team with Keldon playing PF.

[scott]

He just needed to be good enough to be a rotation piece for them to be in the playoffs hunt, imho. I mean, they were a play-in team with Keldon playing PF.

That team, minus a "panned out" Luka was just good enough for the Spurs to decide to blow it up and tank.

[Manu&Duncan fan]

Now that there is no Markkanen to the Spurs buzz, I vote wait.

This!

We will get two top 10 picks next summer. Not bad at all.

[Sugus]

I know I'm late to respond to this but...

I don't think its hard at all to say he's wrong. Why would we think that the Spurs had a worst future than a team like the Rockets at that time? Dallas already had Luka, and Memphis and NOLA were on the rise but Houston was still absolute shit and really hasn't done anything to merit praise. It was inevitable that the Spurs would have to bottom out, but I would argue they maximized their opportunity to do so. And sure, that involves the lottery luck to go your way, but the expected value of tanking in a year with Wemby is a lot higher than tanking in years like last year and that was a direct decision they made. Knowing when to make your move to maximize the reward for the risk is vital. You can maybe make the argument that the Rockets had a slightly better 2 years ago when the Spurs traded Dejonte but that's well after the thread was made and even then its debatable.

People on this forum love to act like Sengun is the next coming because they wanted to draft him, but I promise you the Rockets aren't exactly foaming at the mouth to give him a max contract. Same thing with Green who isn't as good.

When confronted by this in the thread Gambit never was able to back it up. When confronted that other teams were still finishing worse than the Spurs, he just deflected and talked about the future and that he didn't mean THAT year. Just because the Rockets started the tank earlier and had high lotto picks on their team before the Spurs doesn't necessarily mean they had a better future. Providing vague statements about what you actually mean for something that was inevitable (the Spurs being bad again at some point) is exactly the kind of move grifters use.

Great post! You explained the issue with the original post, and thread story far better than I could.

On that note - the praise and hype for the Rockets' rebuild really is puzzling. I take Wemby a hundred times over any of their players, and basketball happens to be one of the sports where one Omega-level player can have the most impact on the game.

[Sugus]

did the spurs land wemby? yeah, awesome. that doesn't take away from the spurs being #1 in their division (when i posted that thread) to being near the bottom of the leagues' standings for years to come.

that thread was truth. stop acting like i said five years or decade :lol

I can't believe you intentionally made a thread with an ambiguous time prediction years ago, and are still trying to move the goalpost into fitting what's convenient to you. Why the fuck are we supposed to act like "the future" is the time period immediately before, but not during, the time where the Spurs get Wemby, a player x10 better than Ja or Zion, immediately making their future outlook much better than their division rivals'?

Especially since no division rival has had real success since you made the thread, except for the Mavs' last year run (which falls outside your "future" box anyways :lol). I don't call any of the Rocket's or Pelicans' seasons since then successful, and I don't think any Spurs fan should.

If you'd titled it either "the Spurs' core will fall off very soon and we should sell high" or something, you could've avoided being fucking wrong. But alas...

[Sugus]

...But I do have to give it to you, Gambit. I realized it then, and it aged like wine;


It only just occured to me that this thread was a reverse-jinx to ensure the Spurs land Wembanyama. I'm rid of doubts: we're landing the No.1 pick in the next draft. I'll be sure to thank OP properly after we're done celebrating...

Thanks for a solid jinx, however unknowingly, tbh :tu

[DAF86]

That team, minus a "panned out" Luka was just good enough for the Spurs to decide to blow it up and tank.

Yeah, there you have the "not panning out" part. :lol Also, a once in a lifetime prospect.

[scott]

Yeah, there you have the "not panning out" part. :lol Also, a once in a lifetime prospect.

I did not realize how pivotal Luka Sammich was!

[DAF86]

I did not realize how pivotal Luka Sammich was!

It was the prototype that was important.

[KobesAchilles]

Spurs are getting 2 top 4 picks next year fam. Then we mortgage our future

[LeBowen]

Spurs are getting 2 top 4 picks next year fam.

Not happening. Even one would be beyond lucky.


Then we mortgage our future

Do you understand what mortgaging the future means?
Wemby is 20, Devin is 24 today (hb) and other potential long-term pieces are 19-21.
Spurs won't trade away Wemby, Devin, Castle or Jeremy next summer no matter what.
Next summer we'll be able to trade picks up until 2032.
Meaning that even if we trade away all those picks we'll have everyone currently on the roster and 2025 draftees still in their prime when we get our picks back.
That's not mortgaging the future.

Mortgaging the future is trading away future picks 3 to 7 years down the line when your franchise player and other key pieces are alredy in their late 20s or early 30s.

[KobesAchilles]

We are getting Flagg in the summer. And the kid from Spain.

And yes I know what it means. I believe we are getting Flagg and the Spanish PG (I forgot his name) in next years draft. We will have a shit ton of picks from 2026-2031 to trade along with Devin and others to package with the picks for a veteran piece. So we would have our young core (and this time a real core and not a DA86 core) of Flagg, Castle, Spanish kid, and Wemby. We get rid of Vassell for some all star or even just a really good role player who knows his role and knows how to actually play basketball. I mean tbh we could trade like 5 FRPs for these types of players who we would need on our team. And our team would be set up for a nice like 4 year window of contention before financially we would have to blow it all up.

[exstatic]

We are getting Flagg in the summer. And the kid from Spain.

I don’t even want Flagg, but I wouldn’t mind getting #1 and trading back in the top 4 for multiple picks.

[baseline bum]

I don’t even want Flagg, but I wouldn’t mind getting #1 and trading back in the top 4 for multiple picks.

Why would you not want a versatile 4 who looks to be an Anthony Davis level defender? Especially when the Spurs desperately need a PF.

[baseline bum]

We are getting Flagg in the summer. And the kid from Spain.


So are you calling a season ending injury for Wemby or what?

[LeBowen]

Why would not want a versatile 4 who looks to be an Anthony Davis level defender?

We'll have to see how his offense develops.

If we assume Castle does well and is the long term point guard, he'll be a way bigger contributor on defense than on offense.
Devin's playmaking skills aren't great.
If Jeremy manages to stay on the roster, that's another defense oriented player.

Obviously we'd take Flagg as the BPA even if it mean getting rid of Jeremy and/or Castle, but if we're talking about fit with Wemby, I'd rather have someone more similar to Markkanen.

[KobesAchilles]

So are you calling a season ending injury for Wemby or what?
No I’m not. I think we get lucky in the lotto again and that Atlanta is seriously going to suck. I think Trae demands out to LA

[exstatic]

Why would not want a versatile 4 who looks to be an Anthony Davis level defender?

Don’t believe the hype. He’s never played beyond his age group, other than with some olympians going 80% in a scrimmage. He’s also 6’9”, so I don’t see him leveling up to a seven footer, defensively. He will NOT be able to play full time NBA center, so he’d better get a damn good jump shot, too.

[baseline bum]

Don’t believe the hype. He’s never played beyond his age group, other than with some olympians going 80% in a scrimmage.

Um he skipped ahead a year and will be at Duke in what should have been his senior season of HS.

[baseline bum]

No I’m not. I think we get lucky in the lotto again and that Atlanta is seriously going to suck. I think Trae demands out to LA

That would be the most ridiculous luck ever to win the lottery in arguably the two best years to do so in the last 15 years. Especially from around the 8th to 10th worst record in the league which is probably where the Spurs should be next year after filling some of the worst holes in the roster. Not impossible that Atlanta is terrible but they still won't be throwing games like Brooklyn, Detroit, Portland, and Charlotte will. Maybe Toronto and Utah too.

[Joseph Kony]

That would be the most ridiculous luck ever to win the lottery in arguably the two best years to do so in the last 15 years. Especially from around the 8th to 10th worst record in the league which is probably where the Spurs should be next year after filling some of the worst holes in the roster. Not impossible that Atlanta is terrible but they still won't be throwing games like Brooklyn, Detroit, Portland, and Charlotte will. Maybe Toronto and Utah too.
not unheard of tbh. didn't Cleveland win the lotto like 3 out of 4 years or something after LeBron left?

[LeBowen]

not unheard of tbh. didn't Cleveland win the lotto like 3 out of 4 years or something after LeBron left?

That's why they flattened the odds, to prevent Process level tanking.

[baseline bum]

not unheard of tbh. didn't Cleveland win the lotto like 3 out of 4 years or something after LeBron left?

This would be like Cleveland winning the lottery again while they have LeBron making them a respectable team (eg 35 ± 3 wins), which I expect the Spurs to be with second year Wemby, CP3, Castle, no more Point Sochan, no more Point Branham, and no more need to start Champagnie with Barnes in the mix.

[scott]

This would be like Cleveland winning the lottery again while they have LeBron making them a respectable team (eg 35 ± 3 wins), which I expect the Spurs to be with second year Wemby, CP3, Castle, no more Point Sochan, no more Point Branham, and no more need to start Champagnie with Barnes in the mix.

:pop: Challenge Accepted.

[gambit1990]

Murray, White, Vassell, Keldon, Poeltl and Samanic, if he would have panned out (a young PF that could spread the floor, put the ball in the floor and pass it a little). That team could have been above .500, imho.
you're a top five poster but you shouldn't be doubling down.

"if samanic panned out" :lmao

you could say that about anyone.

[gambit1990]

...But I do have to give it to you, Gambit (https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/member.php?u=50491). I realized it then, and it aged like wine
sugus: no, the spurs don't have the worst future in the division
sugus: yeah, the spurs will be so good they will have the #1 pick in the draft :lmao

choose your lane rētārd.

[gambit1990]

old ass cp3 about to shatter so many PG records :toast:toast

[gambit1990]

the spurs aren't tanking, they're making the playoffs. there's no point in losing in the first round.

add an all-star and you're a jokic injury away from making the nba finals.

cp3 will light a fire under pop's ass.

[LeBowen]

there's no point in losing in the first round

There actually is.
Every playoff series is an invaluable experience.
Can't expect to go from a lottery team right into contention.
OKC went from three seasons out of the playoffs to 57 wins, then lost in the second round because of inexperience and nothing else.
SGA was the only one delivering because he played two series with the Clippers. Everyone else underperformed in Dallas series.

If people expect Spurs to get another top10 pick this season and instantly go to WCF in the next one, they're in for a rude awakening.
Wemby will probably be good enough to play through lack of experience, but the rest of the roster won't.


add an all-star and you're a jokic injury away from making the nba finals

Unfortunately for Jokic, his team is garbage and he's got easily the worst supporting cast out of any contender if we look at #2-8 options.

[Chucho]

Why are people so afraid of putting our best foot forward and making as much noise and building as much success as possible?

I just loathe how the fanbase has become passive and patient with "trust the system" despite our team history never really being about long, over-rated team builds in the NBA, especially with such high failure rates.

Historically, we have 1-2 down seasons and then we're back to relevance. I LOVED when our fanbase had pride and wanted to fight every game, like loyal football fans. Nowadays, the fanbase are faggy, apathetic punters who cream themselves over 2nd round picks and are closer to an MLB fanbase than what we used to be; proud fans.

[ginobilized]

Winning more than last season, HELL YES!

Winning more games than we lose, HELL NO!

West is too stacked. At best we win 1/3 of the games against the West (17) and 1/2 (17) against the East. That gives us 34 wins for the season, over 50% more wins than last season.

[exstatic]

Winning more than last season, HELL YES!

Winning more games than we lose, HELL NO!

West is too stacked. At best we win 1/3 of the games against the West (17) and 1/2 (17) against the East. That gives us 34 wins for the season, over 50% more wins than last season.

I think Wemby would need to be injured to win only 34 games.

[Sugus]

sugus: no, the spurs don't have the worst future in the division
sugus: yeah, the spurs will be so good they will have the #1 pick in the draft :lmao

choose your lane rētārd.

If your smooth brain could comprehend that selectively tanking for a generational prospect is unequal to having a bad future outlook, you wouldn't have said this.

But then again, you would have never made a thread predicting the Spurs to have the worst future in their division, only to do a 180º script flip into the "let's push our chips to win now!!" a measly couple years later.

It would've saved us all a lot of time if you'd gotten better education. I don't blame you here - it's circumstances and upbringing, not things you chose. Your parents, though...

[rankingtear]

Any high end on ball player would just slow down Wemby development as the true PG of the offense. The best offense is when your best player is your primary decision maker. After Lauri there is no one available right now that can speed up the process.

[ambchang]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/41208724/ranking-5-nba-teams-hold-most-first-round-draft-picks-trades-swaps-spurs-thunder


Team Terrible future just got ranked first in having the best draft picks of all teams, obtaining those with trade assets that were significantly worse than the other good teams, by a publication who had a history of crapping on small market teams.

[BackHome]

I think Wemby would need to be injured to win only 34 games.

With Wemby frame is not when he will be out but more for how long he will be out

[exstatic]

With Wemby frame is not when he will be out but more for how long he will be out

Right, because he just doubled his games played in a year with no issues.

His frame will likely keep him on the floor, unlike the other 7’4”+ behemoths like Yao.

[Sugus]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/41208724/ranking-5-nba-teams-hold-most-first-round-draft-picks-trades-swaps-spurs-thunder


Team Terrible future just got ranked first in having the best draft picks of all teams, obtaining those with trade assets that were significantly worse than the other good teams, by a publication who had a history of crapping on small market teams.

No, you don't understand man, that was the old future......... This new future is amazing!!!! :lmao


Beautiful that the article mentioned DeRozan (a player we supposedly "missed out a return for" according to OP, since we "traded him too late" and stuff) as a contribution to the asset chest. Some people get it... Others start shitty threads, tbh.

[Seventyniner]

No, you don't understand man, that was the old future......... This new future is amazing!!!! :lmao


Beautiful that the article mentioned DeRozan (a player we supposedly "missed out a return for" according to OP, since we "traded him too late" and stuff) as a contribution to the asset chest. Some people get it... Others start shitty threads, tbh.

Even funnier that the Spurs managed to bring in two more assets in another trade involving DeRozan: Barnes, a useful vet to play bench minutes and mentor the young players, and the 20131 SAC swap.

[Sugus]

Even funnier that the Spurs managed to bring in two more assets in another trade involving DeRozan: Barnes, a useful vet to play bench minutes and mentor the young players, and the 20131 SAC swap.

For sure! I'm personally very high on both the SAC and MIN swaps. Both franchises have been historically terrible much more so than relevant, and we only need one of them to really hit. I see many teams regretting their "win now" moves in a few short years, especially under the new CBA.

[Mr. Body]

https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/41208724/ranking-5-nba-teams-hold-most-first-round-draft-picks-trades-swaps-spurs-thunder


Team Terrible future just got ranked first in having the best draft picks of all teams, obtaining those with trade assets that were significantly worse than the other good teams, by a publication who had a history of crapping on small market teams.

OKC still has a really big warchest, but their chances at top picks are wearing away. I believe they have the next pick or so of LAC outright, which is a big risk for us. Otherwise, everything carries protections.

The Spurs carry that sweet ATL package for the next three years. Otherwise, those swaps years from now are all gambles, but if one hits (high lottery) that's better than anything else.

Utah has a wad, but iirc their MIN and CLE assets come while those teams might still be good.

[exstatic]

OKC still has a really big warchest, but their chances at top picks are wearing away. I believe they have the next pick or so of LAC outright, which is a big risk for us. Otherwise, everything carries protections.

The Spurs carry that sweet ATL package for the next three years. Otherwise, those swaps years from now are all gambles, but if one hits (high lottery) that's better than anything else.

Utah has a wad, but iirc their MIN and CLE assets come while those teams might still be good.

Sneaky good pick for OKC: Miami 2025. Butler is doing his implode and force his way out thing, and they’ll have to trade him sooner than later, or risk losing him for nothing. They’re play in or worse without him.

Sneaky good pick for Utah: LAL 2027, top 4 protected. LA will probably be really bad at his point, but will they be bad enough to enter and stay in the top 4, considering that most years, two of those teams get booted out.

[ambchang]

The window for OKC will be the next 4 years or so (which is a considerable window) because of all the rookie deals coming to an end very soon, and with the talent they have, they are without a doubt a second apron team. Shai and Chet would easily command the max, J Williams is another max, or very near max guy, then the other pieces are a bunch of $25-$35M a year guys, the picks that they have are not that great, other than the LAC as Mr. Body pointed out already. Worst case, OKC core are too young, and didn't get the experience to win a title before the salary cap blows up the team repeating the debacle of the Durant-Westbrook-Harden-Ibaka core a decade or so ago. However, this is a team that is just way too talented, they should win at least one, likely two titles.

[intlspurshk]

Just go back to use Sochan as backup PG and SPURS can tank again

[exstatic]

Just go back to use Sochan as backup PG and SPURS can tank again

Not going to happen unless Wemby gets hurt. If their plan was to tank, they never would have signed CP or traded for Barnes.

[mando6599]

Not going to happen unless Wemby gets hurt. If their plan was to tank, they never would have signed CP or traded for Barnes.

Good point.

[Chomag]

Unless actively being sabotaged by Pop (ie, trying to play wemby low 20 minutes a game and other things like line up rotatios), I think this team will be better then yall think this year especially with Wemby bringing it up another notch and actually having a player like Paul thay knows how to get him the ball In the best positions on offense.

THE FO should have given up on hording picks strategies the moment the basketball made it possible for us landing Wemby and now they should be looking to actually use those picks to deal for another Star caliber player to get the team up into another level. Unfortunately hording picks seems to be Wright's thing and all he knows how to do as a GM. So I am pretty concerned about that.

[exstatic]

Unless actively being sabotaged by Pop (ie, trying to play wemby low 20 minutes a game and other things like line up rotatios), I think this team will be better then yall think this year especially with Wemby bringing it up another notch and actually having a player like Paul thay knows how to get him the ball In the best positions on offense.

THE FO should have given up on hording picks strategies the moment the basketball made it possible for us landing Wemby and now they should be looking to actually use those picks to deal for another Star caliber player to get the team up into another level. Unfortunately hording picks seems to be Wright's thing and all he knows how to do as a GM. So I am pretty concerned about that.

No one is going to trade a star player with no issues to us. They just don’t come to the market. It’s not hoarding picks, it’s ensuring that we have enough shots at the target to hit a second star. Two of the most promising young teams, Orlando and OKC are doing the exact same thing, but they’re a year or two ahead. The Nets just started, and they’re a year behind us. This is how unattractive teams/markets have to do it.

[poopbox]

No one is going to trade a star player with no issues to us. They just don’t come to the market. It’s not hoarding picks, it’s ensuring that we have enough shots at the target to hit a second star. Two of the most promising young teams, Orlando and OKC are doing the exact same thing, but they’re a year or two ahead. The Nets just started, and they’re a year behind us. This is how unattractive teams/markets have to do it.

Enough shots? We haven't even taken one yet.

I don't think the Spurs even know how to land or trade for "a star" player...cause they never have without some sort of helpt (LMA wanted to come back to Texas to be close to his family so SA, Dallas, and Houston were the only teams really in play) or it not working out ( Richard Jefferson ).

There is just as high a chance the Spurs never cash any of these picks in for another star player as there is that they cash these picks in for one.

[KingKev]

Unless actively being sabotaged by Pop (ie, trying to play wemby low 20 minutes a game and other things like line up rotatios), I think this team will be better then yall think this year especially with Wemby bringing it up another notch and actually having a player like Paul thay knows how to get him the ball In the best positions on offense.

THE FO should have given up on hording picks strategies the moment the basketball made it possible for us landing Wemby and now they should be looking to actually use those picks to deal for another Star caliber player to get the team up into another level. Unfortunately hording picks seems to be Wright's thing and all he knows how to do as a GM. So I am pretty concerned about that.

I’m growing warm on PATFO again after some real mismanaged years but I think they have their heads out of their asses now. I can’t think of a single deal we missed out on this summer and I know they are fielding calls. We didn’t miss out on any big free agents or trades this Off-season and Ainge likely wanted a Gobert like haul for Lauri. Bridges and DDR and Podcast P were the only other all star caliber players who changed hands. I suspect they will stay nimble over the next year or so and continue to explore all options. We are multiple moves from contention.

[exstatic]

Enough shots? We haven't even taken one yet.

I don't think the Spurs even know how to land or trade for "a star" player...cause they never have without some sort of helpt (LMA wanted to come back to Texas to be close to his family so SA, Dallas, and Houston were the only teams really in play) or it not working out ( Richard Jefferson ).

There is just as high a chance the Spurs never cash any of these picks in for another star player as there is that they cash these picks in for one.

Say you don’t know how to read without saying it. :rollinThe teams that are up and coming are NOT cashing their picks for aging, disgruntled stars, the only ones that ever come n the market. The “shots” are actually USING the picks to draft players.

[poopbox]

Say you don’t know how to read without saying it. :rollinThe teams that are up and coming are NOT cashing their picks for aging, disgruntled stars, the only ones that ever come n the market. The “shots” are actually USING the picks to draft players.

Those teams drafted legit stars. We have drafted exactly 1 who has been looked at as a generational talent for years. I most definitely don't want to follow the draft philosophy of the front offices who drafted Chet and J Will and Paolo, because we don't have those type of people in our front office. We have people who draft Sochan and Wesley and Branhim :rollin

You know it's people who make those decisions. If you don't have those people...you probably won't make those decisions.

We had 2 top 10 picks this year. We walked away with another pick to far in the future to know what its value is and a a guard that the only thing people universally agree on about him is that he can't shoot. While we have been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league 3 years running :rollin

Perfect example of why we don't need to be making these picks.

We can't shoot 3's, who are we drafting?

The guy who can't shoot 3's.

Great. Let's all meet up in the top 5 again next year. Have a good one.

Actually if you look at recent nba history...why would you hold on to your draft picks?

The mavs traded their picks for an "aging disgruntled star" and they made it to the finals :lmao

The Celtics traded all of their draft picks for an aging star (Holiday) a 6th man (White) and an always injured center (Porzingis) and won a championship :lmao

Minnesota traded all of their picks for Rudy Gobert...one of the most maligned players in the league and they made a conference finals :lmao

So yeah...why exactly would you hang on to these things once you get the franchise player ? 75% of the teams who made it to the conference finals cashed in almost all their picks to do it

[ismael-robert]

They want another dynasty, not a couple years of success

[exstatic]

Those teams drafted legit stars. We have drafted exactly 1 who has been looked at as a generational talent for years. I most definitely don't want to follow the draft philosophy of the front offices who drafted Chet and J Will and Paolo, because we don't have those type of people in our front office. We have people who draft Sochan and Wesley and Branhim :rollin

You know it's people who make those decisions. If you don't have those people...you probably won't make those decisions.

We had 2 top 10 picks this year. We walked away with another pick to far in the future to know what its value is and a a guard that the only thing people universally agree on about him is that he can't shoot. While we have been one of the worst 3 point shooting teams in the league 3 years running :rollin

Perfect example of why we don't need to be making these picks.

We can't shoot 3's, who are we drafting?

The guy who can't shoot 3's.

Great. Let's all meet up in the top 5 again next year. Have a good one.

Actually if you look at recent nba history...why would you hold on to your draft picks?

The mavs traded their picks for an "aging disgruntled star" and they made it to the finals :lmao

The Celtics traded all of their draft picks for an aging star (Holiday) a 6th man (White) and an always injured center (Porzingis) and won a championship :lmao

Minnesota traded all of their picks for Rudy Gobert...one of the most maligned players in the league and they made a conference finals :lmao

So yeah...why exactly would you hang on to these things once you get the franchise player ? 75% of the teams who made it to the conference finals cashed in almost all their picks to do it

Typical casual take, equating all FRPs. Mavs, Celts, and Tpups current picks are crap. Our picks will be mid for a few years, and then crap. We hold 3 unprotected future firsts that could be very good. The 4 swaps could cash us out pretty well, too. We don’t have to hit all 7 picks and swaps, just maybe 1 or 2. It’s not like OKC didn’t have duds. Poku, Dieng (cost THREE FRPs), Giddey,trading away Sengün. They had their franchise guy SGA on board and still made their picks, hitting on Jalen Williams and Chet, but missing on pretty much everything else. THAT’S WHY YOU KEEP AND MAKE ALL OF YOUR FRPs.

[scott]

Say you don’t know how to read without saying it. :rollinThe teams that are up and coming are NOT cashing their picks for aging, disgruntled stars, the only ones that ever come n the market. The “shots” are actually USING the picks to draft players.

I like that strategy. I was living under a rock, so let me check out what we ended up doing with two top ten picks this past draft…

[exstatic]

I like that strategy. I was living under a rock, so let me check out what we ended up doing with two top ten picks this past draft…

Picked a promising young PG, and kicked one down the he road to avoid a possible pick jam, getting an unproypick and a#1 protected swap. But you knew that already. It was a crap draft, and I’m glad the kicked the second pick down the road.

[scott]

One day we’ll finally take those shots! Just waiting for the perfect moment!

[exstatic]

One day we’ll finally take those shots! Just waiting for the perfect moment!

One will be next year, one in 2026, and one in 2027. It’s not about perfect, but about not terrible like the 2024 draft. Kicking that second pick down the road is very low risk. Hard to imagine a worse draft in the next 10 years, and Ant’s contract expires in 2029. He’ll probably be gone before then, though. Nobody stays in Minny. Gobert will be retired and KAT will probably be cashed out in a trade.

[ambchang]

I love how top ten picks mean the same as drafting superstars. Didn’t realize Paolo and Chet were drafted -#9 and #4, and were this good before they started the season.

For all the awesome rep OKC got, the only hit they really got was J-dub. That’s it. And that’s after 6 or 7 years of drafting. Their leading young player was forced upon them by Kawhi.

[dn0774]

One will be next year, one in 2026, and one in 2027. It’s not about perfect, but about not terrible like the 2024 draft. Kicking that second pick down the road is very low risk. Hard to imagine a worse draft in the next 10 years, and Ant’s contract expires in 2029. He’ll probably be gone before then, though. Nobody stays in Minny. Gobert will be retired and KAT will probably be cashed out in a trade.

I really think part of the logic to getting those Minny picks in 2030/31 is a bet on Ant wanting out in 3 or 4 years. Getting their own picks back could be awfully attractive for the Wolves if things go south.

[BackHome]

It is funny some of the same people complaining about tanking are the same ones complaining about our record when we got Wemby. I remember people winning “Oh there is no way we getting #1 pick, We got Zero Chance of getting Wemby, Why we waisting another year loosing”.

People need to sit back enjoy the development and trust in the process- We are not the Flakers we are never going to buy a Championship. And please stop with the “So many players are going to want to play with Wemby as we never saw that with Timmy.

[KingKev]

It is funny some of the same people complaining about tanking are the same ones complaining about our record when we got Wemby. I remember people winning “Oh there is no way we getting #1 pick, We got Zero Chance of getting Wemby, Why we waisting another year loosing”.

People need to sit back enjoy the development and trust in the process- We are not the Flakers we are never going to buy a Championship. And please stop with the “So many players are going to want to play with Wemby as we never saw that with Timmy.

I disagree I think Wemby will have much more gravity than Duncan. We won’t be a premier destination but definitely top second tier and will definitely be a preferred destination for vets if we start winning.

[rankingtear]

Drafting narrative changes pretty fast. OKC and ORL were awful for almost a decade and today they are the success stories of building your core organically. It is still a small sample at a time where the franchise need to take swings in the draft. Now they drafting with a north star it is a different stage on their life cycle.

[z0sa]

OKC might be a really good team, and they've had some really good teams. They're not champions yet, though. I see the idea of basing our model heavily on Presti's as one to be taken with a grain of salt.

[exstatic]

OKC might be a really good team, and they've had some really good teams. They're not champions yet, though. I see the idea of basing our model heavily on Presti's as one to be taken with a grain of salt.

It’s not so much Presti as every small or unattractive team/market. You can’t trade your way to more than 1-2 titles, and maybe a 5-6 year run, and then you’re out of resources to rebuild/retool. Those swaps and picks from 28 forward could put us in a position to do another 15-20 year run.

[TekXX]

It’s not so much Presti as every small or unattractive team/market. You can’t trade your way to more than 1-2 titles, and maybe a 5-6 year run, and then you’re out of resources to rebuild/retool. Those swaps and picks from 28 forward could put us in a position to do another 15-20 year run.

Hell they might even lead to the #8 pick in the draft. Just think of the possibilities

[Mr. Body]

Warriors are probably a better example, at least somewhat. One of the worst franchises in the NBA for years, then drafted Curry, Thompson, got a steal in Draymond. Pulled great role-players, made really solid decisions.

OKC is close. They're on the cusp as teams are getting older. I feel like they're missing a key piece, but they have the framework.

[exstatic]

Warriors are probably a better example, at least somewhat. One of the worst franchises in the NBA for years, then drafted Curry, Thompson, got a steal in Draymond. Pulled great role-players, made really solid decisions.

OKC is close. They're on the cusp as teams are getting older. I feel like they're missing a key piece, but they have the framework.

I think they got the key pieces they needed in Hartenstein and Caruso, but their window is only open for the duration of those contracts, and with Jalen Williams and Chet both coming up for extensions next summer, they won’t be able to keep either of their 2024 key piece acquisitions.

I really want to find a way to steal Cason Wallace from them, or force them into the second apron to keep him.

[dn0774]

OKC bout to win 60 games, they’re ready to reel off a couple championships with the roster they have now assuming they’re healthy when it matters.

[Strategic]

I think they got the key pieces they needed in Hartenstein and Caruso, but their window is only open for the duration of those contracts, and with Jalen Williams and Chet both coming up for extensions next summer, they won’t be able to keep either of their 2024 key piece acquisitions.

I really want to find a way to steal Cason Wallace from them, or force them into the second apron to keep him.I’d be good with Wallace. Just afraid with Giddy gone his minutes will increase bunches

[Mr. Body]

I think they got the key pieces they needed in Hartenstein and Caruso, but their window is only open for the duration of those contracts, and with Jalen Williams and Chet both coming up for extensions next summer, they won’t be able to keep either of their 2024 key piece acquisitions.

I really want to find a way to steal Cason Wallace from them, or force them into the second apron to keep him.

They'll definitely be up there. It's common to bomb the first time in the playoffs, which they did -- they beat a very bad and injured NOP team and got slaughtered by Dallas.

Their biggest problem was inside and Hartenstein may be the trick there. Caruso will provide great outside toughness. I think they need another scorer who can help SGA out. Their best advantage is there aren't any set top opponents in the West.

[dn0774]

They'll definitely be up there. It's common to bomb the first time in the playoffs, which they did -- they beat a very bad and injured NOP team and got slaughtered by Dallas.

Their biggest problem was inside and Hartenstein may be the trick there. Caruso will provide great outside toughness. I think they need another scorer who can help SGA out. Their best advantage is there aren't any set top opponents in the West.

You don't think one or both of JDub/Chet will get there?

[CGD]

^ I don’t recall them being “slaughtered” by Dallas at all. It was a really close series, and that Game 6 came down to the wire.

https://www.nba.com/playoffs/2024/west-semifinal-1

[CGD]

You don't think one or both of JDub/Chet will get there?

I like both those players, but it feels like JDub is the piece they ultimately flip (along with picks) to land their finishing piece. Like if Jaylen Brown gets grumpy or the Cs are faced with cutting costs, etc.

[dn0774]

I'm surprised to hear "slaughtered" being thrown around with regards to that Dal/OKC series as well lol. OKC played them close and a bad Shai foul on PJ plus another shot or 2 and that series could've went the other way.

I might be higher than most on JDub but I think he still has another big step to take. He is already efficient as hell and now with Giddey out of the way he can have the reins to the offense even more. Part of the reason why i'm intrigued by Cody Williams is cuz the "little brother" theory rarely fails lol.

[Mr. Body]

I'm surprised to hear "slaughtered" being thrown around with regards to that Dal/OKC series as well lol. OKC played them close and a bad Shai foul on PJ plus another shot or 2 and that series could've went the other way.

The series really wasn't very close.

[quentin_compson]

Thinking that OKC got "slaughtered" by Dallas is pretty hilarious.

[R. DeMurre]

Statistically, the Dallas/OKC series was about as close as you can get without going seven games. They were tied 2-2 after four games, and Dallas won game 6 by one point. If you look at the advanced stats, there's a really rare statistical anomaly: both teams finished the series with an identical Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating of 112.3 ORtg/112.3 DRtg, and both teams averaged an identical 106 ppg.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2024-nba-western-conference-semifinals-mavericks-vs-thunder.html

[scott]

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[scott]

Statistically, the Dallas/OKC series was about as close as you can get without going seven games. They were tied 2-2 after four games, and Dallas won game 6 by one point. If you look at the advanced stats, there's a really rare statistical anomaly: both teams finished the series with an identical Offensive Rating and Defensive Rating of 112.3 ORtg/112.3 DRtg, and both teams averaged an identical 106 ppg.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2024-nba-western-conference-semifinals-mavericks-vs-thunder.html

Not that anyone needed more evidence that Mr. Body neither watches or understands basketball, but here's more of it, just for giggles.

[gambit1990]

Why are people so afraid of putting our best foot forward and making as much noise and building as much success as possible?
:tu

[gambit1990]

If your smooth brain could comprehend that selectively tanking for a generational prospect is unequal to having a bad future outlook, you wouldn't have said this.

But then again, you would have never made a thread predicting the Spurs to have the worst future in their division, only to do a 180º script flip into the "let's push our chips to win now!!" a measly couple years later.
the spurs were #1 in their division when i said they'd have the worst future in the division. they proceeded to be among the bottom in the conference / league for years. period. i was right.

the spurs lucked out in landing wemby. if the spurs got the #2 pick in the draft then they'd still be mired.

[ambchang]

the spurs were #1 in their division when i said they'd have the worst future in the division. they proceeded to be among the bottom in the conference / league for years. period. i was right.

the spurs lucked out in landing wemby. if the spurs got the #2 pick in the draft then they'd still be mired.

Th Celtics have the worst future in the league. This will come true thr day the Celtics have the worst record sometime in the future.

[exstatic]

Th Celtics have the worst future in the league. This will come true thr day the Celtics have the worst record sometime in the future.

Exactly. Teams go through up and down cycles. No matter which way you call it,if you wait long enough, it will eventually come to pass. Doesn’t make you fucking Nostradamus.

[Sugus]

the spurs were #1 in their division when i said they'd have the worst future in the division. they proceeded to be among the bottom in the conference / league for years. period. i was right.

the spurs lucked out in landing wemby. if the spurs got the #2 pick in the draft then they'd still be mired.

Why would it matter where the Spurs were in the standings when you're making a prediction of their future? And what do those years matter when the rest of the conference had nothing but mediocre seasons altogether, sans last-season Mavs?

The Spurs "lucked out" but also tanked timely and purposely to nab Wemby, showing a level of strategy and forward thinking that dumbbells like you would've never given them credit for. Any way you slice it, you weren't right, and as we have extensively debated; "the future is now, old man".

[gambit1990]

Th Celtics have the worst future in the league. This will come true thr day the Celtics have the worst record sometime in the future.

Exactly. Teams go through up and down cycles. No matter which way you call it,if you wait long enough, it will eventually come to pass. Doesn’t make you fucking Nostradamus.

Why would it matter where the Spurs were in the standings when you're making a prediction of their future?
again, the spurs were #1 in their division when i said it was fool's gold. and 95% of ST thought the spurs were on the right track, very content with the team's direction. then they proceeded to fall off a cliff. just like i predicted.


The Spurs "lucked out" but also tanked timely and purposely to nab Wemby, showing a level of strategy and forward thinking that dumbbells like you would've never given them credit for.
stop acting like i said the spurs "have the worst future in the division forever" :lol

[gambit1990]

The Spurs "lucked out" but also tanked timely and purposely to nab Wemby, showing a level of strategy and forward thinking that dumbbells like you would've never given them credit for.
you proved my point.

spurs were #1 in their division (when i said they'd have the worst future in their division) ---> to tanking. you can't tank without being awful--which the spurs became after i said they would.

no one on ST wanted to tank when i posted that thread :lmao

[ambchang]

you proved my point.

spurs were #1 in their division (when i said they'd have the worst future in their division) ---> to tanking. you can't tank without being awful--which the spurs became after i said they would.

no one on ST wanted to tank when i posted that thread :lmao

The spurs didn’t they tanked years after that.

[exstatic]

Exactly. Teams go through up and down cycles. No matter which way you call it,if you wait long enough, it will eventually come to pass. Doesn’t make you fucking Nostradamus.

You quoted me gambit, but either didn’t read it, or didn’t understand that your response doesn’t refute this.

[cutewizard]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqa7Qzp43kM

[Mr. Body]

The question seems to be using assets to 'go all in' or hang onto them, not whether winning is a priority.

I'm pretty amazed that the Spurs pulled Harrison Barnes and Chris Paul for essentially nothing -- just their salaries. That's a ridiculous job done. If I had one thing they needed this offseason most of all, it was veteran leadership, and they not only got them, they pulled a pretty tasty swap just for taking Harrison Barnes.

I'm still of the opinion they booted the cap hold on the #8 pick because they were looking to absorb Paul's contract from GSW outright, but then it worked out that we signed him and used the space for Barnes + swap. Pretty amazing stuff.

[gambit1990]

The spurs didn’t they tanked years after that.
> spurs were #1
>> i foresaw a train wreck & posted about it
>>> 95% of ST was high on the roster
>>>> spurs end the season last or second to last, can’t remember

period.

[gambit1990]

You quoted me gambit, but either didn’t read it, or didn’t understand that your response doesn’t refute this.
i didn’t kick a dog while it was down. that would’ve been too easy.

i said the roster was fool’s gold while they were #1. i was right.

i predicted the crash during their up cycle.

[gambit1990]

anyways, i’m done talking about how right i was in the past.

this thread is about bigger things.

[gambit1990]

The question seems to be using assets to 'go all in' or hang onto them, not whether winning is a priority.
thread is about doing what it takes to win it all.

wemby is a beast w/ high BBIQ. i don’t surround him with young players over the next few years and hope it pans out. i’m trying to win now.

if i was wemby i’d rather leave than do a soft tank the next two years.

he isn’t SGA, we don’t have to wait to see what he might be. we already know.

[ambchang]

> spurs were #1
>> i foresaw a train wreck & posted about it
>>> 95% of ST was high on the roster
>>>> spurs end the season last or second to last, can’t remember

period.

I am foreseeing the Celtics will be terrible one day.

[exstatic]

I am foreseeing the Celtics will be terrible one day.

All hail the fortune teller! Huzzah!

[Mr. Body]

thread is about doing what it takes to win it all.

wemby is a beast w/ high BBIQ. i don’t surround him with young players over the next few years and hope it pans out. i’m trying to win now.

if i was wemby i’d rather leave than do a soft tank the next two years.

he isn’t SGA, we don’t have to wait to see what he might be. we already know.

Thread seems to just be about making trades, at least the poll is. No need for trades, they'd be useless right now.

And the team ain't soft tanking. The Spurs constantly tell us what they're doing.

[gambit1990]

I am foreseeing the Celtics will be terrible one day.

All hail the fortune teller! Huzzah!
it's inane that's y'all's takeaway. y'all do y'all though.

[gambit1990]

Thread seems to just be about making trades, at least the poll is. No need for trades, they'd be useless right now.

And the team ain't soft tanking. The Spurs constantly tell us what they're doing.
i'm for a big trade.

i'm not settling for being stuck.

[gambit1990]

castle can ball. keep cp3, barnes, castle, wemby. make a big trade.

[gambit1990]

perfect time to make a rental out of brandon ingram.

he comes off the books this summer, same as cp3. spurs spend this season assessing BI (who will try to ball out this year to secure the bag), then figure out what step cp3 wants to take next in his career.

[Pauleta14]

perfect time to make a rental out of brandon ingram.

he comes off the books this summer, same as cp3. spurs spend this season assessing BI (who will try to ball out this year to secure the bag), then figure out what step cp3 wants to take next in his career.

Even rentals are expensive and Spurs will end up like Indiana and NY last summer having to pay the max or loosing him for nothing.

I like a lot of stuff in BI but I don't trust the dude, I feel like the team that will give him the max won't see him produce much after that. The global cost makes it a very risky gamble

[gambit1990]

Even rentals are expensive and Spurs will end up like Indiana and NY last summer having to pay the max or loosing him for nothing.

I like a lot of stuff in BI but I don't trust the dude, I feel like the team that will give him the max won't see him produce much after that. The global cost makes it a very risky gamble
trading for BI is worth the risk. the dude will ball bc this is a contract year for him.

worst-case scenario: the spurs do give him the max. but that is within the spurs power. and no contract is untradeable.

[gambit1990]

i'm talking about BI being a rental.

with that said, i'd much rather the spurs go into the next two years with cp3 / BI / wemby than losing cp3 this offseason and putting even younger players around wemby.

[gambit1990]

i was glad when the spurs landed cp3 & barnes. ST should be upset with how well they've performed if all y'all wanna do is keep soft tanking.

push some fücking chips in. this is the year to do it. cp3 could jet this offseason and barnes could very well be moved this summer. that's already a reset.

losing some picks trying to win is worth it to keep wemby happy and wanna stay.

[John B]

i was glad when the spurs landed cp3 & barnes. ST should be upset with how well they've performed if all y'all wanna do is keep soft tanking.

push some fücking chips in. this is the year to do it. cp3 could jet this offseason and barnes could very well be moved this summer. that's already a reset.

losing some picks trying to win is worth it to keep wemby happy and wanna stay.

I think if they continue the play they did last night, with Sochan attacking, Wemby pulling the shot blockers with his perimeter plays, CP3 dishing, the defense is already much better, it will be very hard to let CP3 go but continue the winning and even add more to solidify the roster. CP3’s plays have really accelerated the growth process and no way they want to stop that if it can be helped, I mean, why?

[RC_Drunkford]

What exactly does trading for a rental do for this franchise? You think they will ring when they add Brandon Ingram? This is like throwing assets out the window. You sign him in free agency if you want him and they will only do it if the salary number is right. Ain’t nobody giving a poor man’s KD a max contract

[Pauleta14]

trading for BI is worth the risk. the dude will ball bc this is a contract year for him.

worst-case scenario: the spurs do give him the max. but that is within the spurs power. and no contract is untradeable.

I do agree on that point mate, but it's more a risk you take when you're a contender, not in step 2 on PATFO's timeline

I heard a good saying regarding contracts's valuation, "it's a good deal when you can trade the player once new deal signed". Would BI be at +40M/5years? Teams aren't rusing now, why would they in a year or 2 especially if he failed in SA?

I watched him yesterday and he's a mystery to me, he can be wtf impressive, super efficient... and just disapear out of nowhere when it matters. He still passes on of most of his opened 3s (imo he prefers taking them in motion like Vic) and it's going to be a huge issue if he doesn't chnage that aspect of his game.

Not saying it'd be stupid, just that it's a massive risk for a multitude of reasons.

[gambit1990]

giving the spurs an identïty will make them more confident.

[gambit1990]

mavs on a four game losing streak :tu

the west is open tbh.

(outside of the thunder.)

[gambit1990]

waiting for that trade after pop steps down.